Again to all,
It is very likely only 4 or 5 people in the world have specimens
Of each of these hammers. While I must admit my specimens are
small they are large enough to see that their visual appearance is
quite different between the 1971 1982 falls.
Also, given that all actual
Hi Eric,
I can't find anything rude in my post, neither I intended to mock you.
I used the raindrop analogy for three reasons.
Your idea was, that two meteorites hit ground in almost the same place in a
period of 11 years and they are of the same petrologic type.
These coincidences seem so
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 00:51:38 -0600, you wrote:
Humans are better at seeing patterns in the world
around them than any other organism on the planet.
Frequently, we are too good at it, as when we discover
the Face of God in the burnt wrinkles of a tortilla, or
accept too much circumstantial evidence
On a lighter side. It seems different ages may be related. Just a guess here.
http://www.wimp.com/babymoose/
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Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax
Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote:
Hi Eric,
I can't find anything rude in my post, neither I intended to mock you.
I
Dear List Members,
Here is the example of related falls that I am familiar with. This is part
of the description I use for eBay auctions of NWA 4301:
NWA 4301 ~ Zakłodzie:
NWA 4301, an exceedingly rare Ungrouped Enstatite-rich Achondrite found in
Algeria in 2006 by nomadic tribesman. NWA
Point taken... Guess I opened a can of worms on that one... ;)
I'm aware of the likelihood that two small meteorites so close to one
another being paired is small, but it just simply seemed too much of a
coincidence. Since so many scientists say I'm wrong I guess I have to go
with that right?
Apologies for this being so far off topic, but I know there are many collectors
of various items on this list, so possibly one could provide my siblings I
with some assistance.
My late father collected primarily first day covers and less often, stamps. I
know that these collectibles have
Randomness is clumpy.
Good summary! People tend to believe in quite different
and smoother statistical behaviour. Then again it all
depends on the different scales involved in the end...
Alex
Berlin/Germany
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On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:16:15 +0100, you wrote:
Randomness is clumpy.
Good summary! People tend to believe in quite different
and smoother statistical behaviour. Then again it all
depends on the different scales involved in the end...
There is an old joke where a man is driving past a farm
I know it was slightly off topic...but beautiful video...what a great encounter.
Thanks for sharing,
Graham E
cdtuc...@cox.net wrote:
On a lighter side. It seems different ages may be related. Just a guess here.
http://www.wimp.com/babymoose/
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I know it was slightly off topic...but beautiful video...what a great encounter.
Thanks for sharing,
Graham E
cdtuc...@cox.net wrote:
On a lighter side. It seems different ages may be related. Just a guess here.
http://www.wimp.com/babymoose/
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Hello List Members.
I have several new thin sections for sale.
Please look at www.polandmet.com
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Hi all,
John Blennart just sent me this email.
It seems that meteorite Hunting (from now on) will be illegal on all
government lands - yes even BLM!
No more Dry lake Beds, Franconia, Gold Basin, Holbrook, Glorieta,
etc. (Unless of course you find private land and get permission)
Check it
That's just for Oregon.
Search out Rock Hounding (with the quotes) in the BLM search bar and you'll
find many locations that explicitly state collecting rock, fossils, etc ARE
permitted...
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Full Moon Photography
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--- On Mon, 3/8/10, Ruben Garcia
Ruben,
It looks like this Law is not new. The BLM site presents this law as
if it has been in effect for many years. Have you seen any indication
that this is a new law?
If this law has been around for many years then it may mean business as
usual. Of course, now a lot of us can no longer,
I don't know if this helps at all but here is the page for Arizona's BLM
http://www.blm.gov/az/st/en/prog/recreation/rockhnd.html
Dana
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Keith and Dana Jenkerson
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Kingman, AZ., 86409
928-399-0140
Looking for some Jilin to add to my collection. Anyone have some small
(100 - 200 gm) individual or slices for sale? An Internet search was
not fruitful.
Thanks and Cheers!
Mike Tettenborn
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Richard and all,
This is NOT just for Oregon and Washington (Hell, who is hunting
meteorites there anyway?)
John Blennart has been talking with government people who have assured
him. All the old Forest Service and BLM web sites will be changed to
read the new rules for meteorites.
This is
Ruben,
If you read on it a bit further it says;
Material such as agate, chert, jasper, petrified wood, obsidian, cinders and
other volcanic products are generally not considered locatable under the 1872
Mining Law.
It seems to me these rocks you call meteorites are also volcanics?? So, I will
You can't even leave human remains!?! Then where is one to dump bodies now?
;-)
Good thing I'm only detecting gold and only collect neat looking rocks (of
course I will leave all coins older than 10 years and also meteorites - those I
will find on my property...). They cannot chase you
Black Gold Richard, Black Gold!
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Carl,
That just means you cannot locate a mining claim on those types of materials.
Those materials are considered salable and different regs apply if you want
to remove large quantities (anything of commercial purpose, even for a small
hobby business) - usually leasing the area (which
Hi All,
Check this out.
Sonny
http://www.nbmg.unr.edu/infof.htm
METEORITE COLLECTION AND IDENTIFICATION
COLLECTION
Only four authenticated meteorites have been found in Nevada to date,
and all four are on display there. It is likely many more have either
been overlooked or collected and
Hi Sonny,
That is how it wasThey assured John Blennart that ALL web
sites will soon be changed to read as the Oregon/Washington site.
Rock On!
Ruben Garcia
Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos:
Hi Richard,
Since the Earth was essentially on the other side of the Sun at the time
of each fall, that pretty much eliminates any chance the two objects were
in the same orbit.
Excellent point. Not zero, but very, very low probability.
Also, as Shawn pointed out, the CRE ages are widely
I'm simply saying it seems like an awfully big coincidence to me that they
hit the same location
Not at all.
Given the fact that every spot on earth has an equal probability of being
impacted by a meteorite, the fact that two meteorites fell within a mile or
so of each other is just random
Well that is sad.
What is the effective data of the law?
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Full Moon Photography
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From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.
To: Richard Kowalski
Hi List,
This statement made by Ruben is unsettling:
This is REAL! John has been saying this was in the works for weeks now
- It seems that the recent interest in meteorites made them look into
doing this.
Sad day indeed...
Meteorite Hunting Illegal in USA?!
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/meteorite-hunting-illegal-in-usa/
Those wishing to comment please feel free.
Regards,
Eric
On 3/8/2010 5:11 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote:
Hi all,
John Blennart just sent me this email.
It seems that
Walter,
Yes, there are documented strewnfields which prove more than one
classification does exist within a single area. But, Now that Almahatta Sitta
has been found to have several different classes within one fall it seems to me
this changes everything.
In fact as you know they were so
Hi Ruben,
I had a friend contact the BLM in Las Vegas regarding meteorite hunting
in Nevada. He was given a paper about rock hounding and told that
meteorites fall under rock hounding. You would think that laws on BLM
land would be the same throughout the USA.
Sonny
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Hi Ruben,
Everyone should take this to heartthe bigger the government, the smaller
the citizen. Our government is getting quite big, no?
Greg Lindh
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:51:50 -0700
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To:
--- On Mon, 3/8/10, cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net wrote:
Walter,
Yes, there are documented strewnfields which prove
more than one classification does exist within a single
area. But, Now that Almahatta Sitta has been found to have
several different classes within one fall it seems to
Really, Greg?
Politics?
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:17 PM, GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com wrote:
Hi Ruben,
Everyone should take this to heartthe bigger the government, the smaller
the citizen. Our government is getting quite big, no?
Greg Lindh
Yes -
The government has gotten bigger (since 1906) when the American Antiquities
Act of 1906 was passed. This topic has been discussed on the list before.
From what I understand, meteorites found on BLM land is the ownership of the
Smithsonian, it just has not been enforced. This is one of
Ruben and Listers,
Its not that sad of a day. I did some researching on the website Ruben provided
and this is what the U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT
of Oregon state states about rock collection on public land
How can I collect rocks?
Rock hounds are permitted
John Blennart wrote: It seems that meteorite Hunting (from now on) will be
illegal on all
government lands - yes even BLM!
This has always been the case. You must obtain permission from the land
owner. Some desert area are a mix of BLM, state, county and/or city and
private land; such is the
Hi All:
I know someone that works at the Smithsonian and I asked about this a few years
ago. His reply:
We also talked about the
legality of collecting on BLM property. This is a sticky subject that, as
far as I can tell, has nothing to do with the 20gm/20% rule. Technically,
all meteorites
Hello Lister,
Here is something I found on the Internet about the book called Meteors by C.
P. Oliver , published in 1925, which was highly regarded in the early days of
the study of meteors and meteorites. Here is a link
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/11388383_xtf3A#800281843_WPKqj
to an
Stuff on public land quite reasonably belongs to the public. Meteorites
should be no different- there's nothing at all intrusive about such a law.
My sense is that this tends to be loosely enforced if at all, and is more
about preserving the _right_ of the public to claim things of value found
Hi,
If worst comes to worst I will refind the meteorites on private land
of which I have permission to hunt. For classification I will supply
the coordinates to the university. This way we will still have the
opportunity to expand our knowledge of meteorites and the number of new
Ok... so if these laws are true and this black and white... you guys can't
pick on Australia anymore! ;-)
But seriously... can someone please explain to me how meteorites fall under
an Antiquities Act?
I'd like to see them try and call a recent fall an antiquity!
Cheers,
Jeff
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Greg, Ron, Chris, All,
And some here might disagree with you about your point of view;
something that [you]'ve observed over the past few years isn't fact,
it's opinion, and if you want to start a debate about how large
governments are bad, I think you should take it elsewhere - and
perhaps stop
It is all very complicated and legally confused
Exactly... has anyone actually looked at the Act they are trying to place
meteorites under?
http://www.nps.gov/history/local-law/anti1906.htm
HUH? I'm guessing they are trying to use this part:
and other objects of historic or scientific
Jason,
These laws that restrict what can be taken off of BLM land, etc.where do
they come from? Where do these laws come from? Who creates these laws?
Also, I'd like to address the following in your recent post. Speaking of
meteorites, you wrote, it wouldn't stop anyone
Greg, All,
These laws that restrict what can be taken off of BLM land, etc.where do
they come from? Where do these laws come from? Who creates these laws?
What's your point? This wasn't addressed in your email or my reply,
so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
We are, of course,
Jason,
You can't group all meteorite hunters into one group. You alienate the
professional hunter who records the data like you do. I commend you on
your dry lake bed finds and the data you gathered! I wish all hunters
did that. I hunt with and know many that do. But to say what you said so
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