Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Park Forest (Images)
Hi Steve and all, I made a dozen or so trips over there. I remember that one trip as I was leaving, it began to hail severely to the point of my wondering if the windows were going to hold out. Several cars parked under some lumber buildings to escape the ice. I only had a couple of dings in the roof and hood after it was all said and done. Hopefully a meteorite didn't fall at that time :-) with the ice. Best! --AL Mitterling Quoting Steve Witt : Al, Glad you enjoyed the photos. If memory serves me correctly, I believe every slice shown in those photos was cut by you. You did an amazing job. I remember when Bob Haag first got to town and he said "you've got slices already"? A great time and I'm always open for a get together. Regards, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Fri, 3/26/10, almi...@localnet.com wrote: From: almi...@localnet.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Park Forest (Images) To: ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, stelo...@yahoo.com Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 12:36 PM Hi Steve and all, Can't believe it's been that long. Great set of photos! Glad I made some of them. A number of the slices look like the ones I cut for people there in Park Forest. We had an amazing time and spent a great deal of time hunting the area. You were the go to guy for many of us when getting there. Perhaps we need to have a display in the future of the aniversery of Park Forest and meet at the main hang out again. Thanks for sharing the photos!! --AL Mitterling Quoting ensorama...@ntlworld.com: > Hi Steve, > > Great set of photo's. Wish I'd been there. Thanks for sharing. > > Graham, UK > > Steve Witt wrote: >> Greetings List, >> >> It's hard to believe it's been seven years. If you weren't there...you missed a great time. I uploaded 46 images of the 1000 or so that I took. See: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevewitt/4414362965/in/set-72157623574476890 >> >> Enjoy, >> Steve >> >> >> Steve Witt >> IMCA #9020 >> http://imca.cc/ >> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Probable amateur comet discovery
Here you go for the next 24 hours -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 Date UT R.A. (J2000) Decl. Elong. VMotion h"/min P.A. 2010 03 27 03 23 28 48.5 +32 15 55 32.4 13.65.00 086.7 2010 03 27 04 23 29 12.1 +32 16 13 32.4 13.64.99 086.8 2010 03 27 05 23 29 35.6 +32 16 29 32.3 13.64.97 086.9 2010 03 27 06 23 29 59.1 +32 16 45 32.3 13.64.95 087.0 2010 03 27 07 23 30 22.4 +32 17 00 32.3 13.64.94 087.2 2010 03 27 08 23 30 45.7 +32 17 14 32.2 13.64.92 087.3 2010 03 27 09 23 31 08.9 +32 17 28 32.2 13.64.90 087.4 2010 03 27 10 23 31 32.1 +32 17 41 32.2 13.64.89 087.5 2010 03 27 11 23 31 55.2 +32 17 53 32.1 13.64.87 087.7 2010 03 27 12 23 32 18.2 +32 18 05 32.1 13.64.86 087.8 2010 03 27 13 23 32 41.1 +32 18 16 32.1 13.64.84 087.9 2010 03 27 14 23 33 04.0 +32 18 26 32.0 13.64.83 088.0 2010 03 27 15 23 33 26.8 +32 18 35 32.0 13.64.81 088.1 2010 03 27 16 23 33 49.5 +32 18 44 32.0 13.64.80 088.3 2010 03 27 17 23 34 12.1 +32 18 53 31.9 13.64.78 088.4 2010 03 27 18 23 34 34.7 +32 19 01 31.9 13.54.76 088.5 2010 03 27 19 23 34 57.2 +32 19 08 31.9 13.54.75 088.6 2010 03 27 20 23 35 19.7 +32 19 14 31.8 13.54.73 088.8 2010 03 27 21 23 35 42.0 +32 19 20 31.8 13.54.72 088.9 2010 03 27 22 23 36 04.3 +32 19 25 31.8 13.54.70 089.0 2010 03 27 23 23 36 26.6 +32 19 29 31.7 13.54.69 089.2 2010 03 28 00 23 36 48.7 +32 19 33 31.7 13.54.68 089.3 2010 03 28 01 23 37 10.8 +32 19 36 31.7 13.54.66 089.4 2010 03 28 02 23 37 32.8 +32 19 39 31.6 13.54.65 089.5 2010 03 28 03 23 37 54.8 +32 19 41 31.6 13.54.63 089.7 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Probable amateur comet discovery
Rob- That is interesting. Do you have RA and Dec coordinates? -Walter - Original Message - From: "Matson, Robert D." To: Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Probable amateur comet discovery Hi All, An intriguing story is developing over on the Minor Planet Mailing List. It appears that a comet has been discovered by some unknown party located in the western U.S. (based on the times of the two discovery images). The object has been confirmed today by two observatories: Ageo (349) and Moriyama (900), both in Japan. What's unusual is that the object does NOT appear to have been found using a CCD-equipped telescope. I have a feeling it was found visually, either with a backyard telescope or very large binoculars. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] No nickel-free iron meteorites
Hi Rob, ...nucleosynthesis... Ah, one of my favorite words. I try to use it at least once a week :-) -Walter (give-me-some-hydrogen-atoms-and-I-can-create-any-heavier-element-up-to-iron) Branch - Original Message - From: "Matson, Robert D." To: "meteoritelist" Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:31 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] No nickel-free iron meteorites Hi Carl, Alan wrote: "Please note that volumetrically, the amount of low-Ni metallic Fe is trivial, far less than 0.1% of a typical chondrite." You replied: ".1% is a relative term. Earth may be only a fraction of the size of Artares [Antares] but, it is still a pretty big rock." I don't think you're quite absorbing what Dr. Rubin is saying. There is no natural solar system mechanism that can separate iron from nickel in macroscopic quantities. So if you find a lump of iron on earth that doesn't have nickel in it, it originated here. It is not a question of there being room for reasonable doubt. It simply cannot happen. The physics of nucleosynthesis, cosmochemistry, and entropy do not allow it. Best, Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A meteorite comic strip
Scroll down to the entry on Shylock Fox: http://joshreads.com/?p=6179 Vaca Muerta? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, 2010
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[meteorite-list] Import duty on scientific equuipment
Dear list: Does anyone have any advice on import duty for scientific equipment shipped into the US from England? I am bidding on a polarizing microscope on Ebay and have no idea if there will be any import duty, or if any, how much. Any advice from you folks that have purchased anything on Ebay form overseas would be appreciated. Dave __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Park Forest (Images)
Michael, Was the 1997 Plymouth the only vehicle that lost a window to the PF fall? Was this the back window? If so, if there's anyone out there who has any of this stone and wants some window glass to go with it, I have some of that material. (The glass that is). Regards, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Fri, 3/26/10, Michael Blood wrote: > From: Michael Blood > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Park Forest (Images) > To: "Roman Jirasek" , "Meteorite List" > > Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 7:22 PM > Hi Roman and all, > My first memory was crazy > Chicago Steve announcing the fall > On the list. It was from that point that so many went to > the scene of > The crime - the hammer fall with the largest number of > hammer stones > Of which I am aware: Garza House, Fire Plug, Baseball > Stands, Tow > Truck, Barnes House, Jones House, Winslow St. House, 1997 > Plymouth, > Fire Station, Fence, Welcome Mat These are just the > ones I have in my > own collection - 11 Different Hammer Stones. There were > likely more. > THAT'S what I remember > about Park Forest! > Michael > > > On 3/26/10 4:22 PM, "Roman Jirasek" > wrote: > > > Yup, I remember showing up and buying a very nice > 14.5g slice before > > finding any. Then on April 6th, my birthday, I found 3 > stones. What a > > blast being my first ever hunt. Great memories, thanks > for reminding. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Roman Jirasek > > www.meteoritelabels.com > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Steve Witt" > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 2:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Park Forest > (Images) > > > > > >> Al, > >> > >> Glad you enjoyed the photos. If memory serves me > correctly, I believe > >> every slice shown in those photos was cut by you. > You did an amazing job. > >> I remember when Bob Haag first got to town and he > said "you've got slices > >> already"? A great time and I'm always open for a > get together. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Steve > >> > >> > >> Steve Witt > >> IMCA #9020 > >> http://imca.cc/ > >> > >> > >> --- On Fri, 3/26/10, almi...@localnet.com > > wrote: > >> > >>> From: almi...@localnet.com > > >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Park > Forest (Images) > >>> To: ensorama...@ntlworld.com > >>> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, > stelo...@yahoo.com > >>> Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 12:36 PM > >>> Hi Steve and all, > >>> > >>> Can't believe it's been that long. Great set > of photos! > >>> Glad I made some of them. A number of the > slices look like > >>> the ones I cut for people there in Park > Forest. We had an > >>> amazing time and spent a great deal of time > hunting the > >>> area. You were the go to guy for many of us > when getting > >>> there. > >>> > >>> Perhaps we need to have a display in the > future of the > >>> aniversery of Park Forest and meet at the main > hang out > >>> again. > >>> > >>> Thanks for sharing the photos!! > >>> > >>> --AL Mitterling > >>> > >>> Quoting ensorama...@ntlworld.com: > >>> > Hi Steve, > > Great set of photo's. Wish I'd been there. > Thanks for > >>> sharing. > > Graham, UK > > Steve Witt > >>> wrote: > > Greetings List, > > > > It's hard to believe it's been seven > years. If you > >>> weren't there...you missed a great time. I > uploaded 46 > >>> images of the 1000 or so that I took. See: > >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevewitt/4414362965/in/set-72157623574476890 > > > > Enjoy, > > Steve > > > > > > Steve Witt > > IMCA #9020 > > http://imca.cc/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> __ > >> Visit the Archives at > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ___
Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Park Forest (Images)
Hi Roman and all, My first memory was crazy Chicago Steve announcing the fall On the list. It was from that point that so many went to the scene of The crime - the hammer fall with the largest number of hammer stones Of which I am aware: Garza House, Fire Plug, Baseball Stands, Tow Truck, Barnes House, Jones House, Winslow St. House, 1997 Plymouth, Fire Station, Fence, Welcome Mat These are just the ones I have in my own collection - 11 Different Hammer Stones. There were likely more. THAT'S what I remember about Park Forest! Michael On 3/26/10 4:22 PM, "Roman Jirasek" wrote: > Yup, I remember showing up and buying a very nice 14.5g slice before > finding any. Then on April 6th, my birthday, I found 3 stones. What a > blast being my first ever hunt. Great memories, thanks for reminding. > > Cheers, > > Roman Jirasek > www.meteoritelabels.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "Steve Witt" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 2:44 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Park Forest (Images) > > >> Al, >> >> Glad you enjoyed the photos. If memory serves me correctly, I believe >> every slice shown in those photos was cut by you. You did an amazing job. >> I remember when Bob Haag first got to town and he said "you've got slices >> already"? A great time and I'm always open for a get together. >> >> Regards, >> Steve >> >> >> Steve Witt >> IMCA #9020 >> http://imca.cc/ >> >> >> --- On Fri, 3/26/10, almi...@localnet.com wrote: >> >>> From: almi...@localnet.com >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Park Forest (Images) >>> To: ensorama...@ntlworld.com >>> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, stelo...@yahoo.com >>> Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 12:36 PM >>> Hi Steve and all, >>> >>> Can't believe it's been that long. Great set of photos! >>> Glad I made some of them. A number of the slices look like >>> the ones I cut for people there in Park Forest. We had an >>> amazing time and spent a great deal of time hunting the >>> area. You were the go to guy for many of us when getting >>> there. >>> >>> Perhaps we need to have a display in the future of the >>> aniversery of Park Forest and meet at the main hang out >>> again. >>> >>> Thanks for sharing the photos!! >>> >>> --AL Mitterling >>> >>> Quoting ensorama...@ntlworld.com: >>> Hi Steve, Great set of photo's. Wish I'd been there. Thanks for >>> sharing. Graham, UK Steve Witt >>> wrote: > Greetings List, > > It's hard to believe it's been seven years. If you >>> weren't there...you missed a great time. I uploaded 46 >>> images of the 1000 or so that I took. See: >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevewitt/4414362965/in/set-72157623574476890 > > Enjoy, > Steve > > > Steve Witt > IMCA #9020 > http://imca.cc/ > > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, 2010
I contacted Michael directly when I noticed the problem with the hope he could fix it before there was much notice and the list, or he, got bombarded with "Hey the link doesn't work..." posts. He responded right away that it didn't work for him, but he wasn't home and he'd attend to it as soon as he could. Patience people. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, 2010
>>I tried the ol' coppy / paste and that didn't work either.<< I did the same thng and got the same results. geozay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, 2010
I tried the ol' coppy / paste and that didn't work either. Think it Is their web site problem. Michael On 3/26/10 4:42 PM, "GREG LINDH" wrote: > > > Hi Michael, > > Yes, the website was broken and also the link that was given was not "blue", > so you couldn't just click on it. I had to copy and paste it on to my address > bar. This is the second time this has happened in the last 3 or so weeks. > > Greg > > > >> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:34:12 -0700 >> From: mlbl...@cox.net >> To: mich...@rocksfromspace.org; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, >> 2010 >> >> Did others get a web site where the photo link >> Was broken? >> Michael >> >> >> On 3/26/10 3:09 PM, "mich...@rocksfromspace.org" >> wrote: >> >>> http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_26_2010.html >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> >>> www.rocksfromspace.org >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, 2010
Yep me also No picture just text This is from a Jan 4th 2010 presentation at the regional school for both deaf and hearing kids. Number 31 is one of the deaf kids. C Pete Shugar Cheers John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 4:34 PM To: mich...@rocksfromspace.org; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, 2010 Did others get a web site where the photo link Was broken? Michael On 3/26/10 3:09 PM, "mich...@rocksfromspace.org" wrote: > http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_26_2010.html > > > --- > > > www.rocksfromspace.org __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, 2010
Hi Michael, Yep, me too! Dave --- On Fri, 3/26/10, Michael Blood wrote: > From: Michael Blood > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, > 2010 > To: mich...@rocksfromspace.org, "Meteorite List" > > Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:34 PM > Did others get a web site where the > photo link > Was broken? > Michael > > > On 3/26/10 3:09 PM, "mich...@rocksfromspace.org" > > wrote: > > > http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_26_2010.html > > > > > > --- > > > > > > www.rocksfromspace.org > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, 2010
Hi Michael, Yes, the website was broken and also the link that was given was not "blue", so you couldn't just click on it. I had to copy and paste it on to my address bar. This is the second time this has happened in the last 3 or so weeks. Greg > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:34:12 -0700 > From: mlbl...@cox.net > To: mich...@rocksfromspace.org; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, > 2010 > > Did others get a web site where the photo link > Was broken? > Michael > > > On 3/26/10 3:09 PM, "mich...@rocksfromspace.org" > wrote: > >> http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_26_2010.html >> >> >> --- >> >> >> www.rocksfromspace.org >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, 2010
>>Did others get a web site where the photo link Was broken? Michael<< I did. Thought it was just my computer or something. It first happened to me about 2 weeks ago. Sometimes it works and once in a while it doesn't. This time it didn't. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, 2010
Yes - I did Greg S. > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:34:12 -0700 > From: mlbl...@cox.net > To: mich...@rocksfromspace.org; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, > 2010 > > Did others get a web site where the photo link > Was broken? > Michael > > > On 3/26/10 3:09 PM, "mich...@rocksfromspace.org" > wrote: > >> http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_26_2010.html >> >> >> --- >> >> >> www.rocksfromspace.org >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, 2010
Did others get a web site where the photo link Was broken? Michael On 3/26/10 3:09 PM, "mich...@rocksfromspace.org" wrote: > http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_26_2010.html > > > --- > > > www.rocksfromspace.org > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Park Forest (Images)
Yup, I remember showing up and buying a very nice 14.5g slice before finding any. Then on April 6th, my birthday, I found 3 stones. What a blast being my first ever hunt. Great memories, thanks for reminding. Cheers, Roman Jirasek www.meteoritelabels.com - Original Message - From: "Steve Witt" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Park Forest (Images) Al, Glad you enjoyed the photos. If memory serves me correctly, I believe every slice shown in those photos was cut by you. You did an amazing job. I remember when Bob Haag first got to town and he said "you've got slices already"? A great time and I'm always open for a get together. Regards, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Fri, 3/26/10, almi...@localnet.com wrote: From: almi...@localnet.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Park Forest (Images) To: ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, stelo...@yahoo.com Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 12:36 PM Hi Steve and all, Can't believe it's been that long. Great set of photos! Glad I made some of them. A number of the slices look like the ones I cut for people there in Park Forest. We had an amazing time and spent a great deal of time hunting the area. You were the go to guy for many of us when getting there. Perhaps we need to have a display in the future of the aniversery of Park Forest and meet at the main hang out again. Thanks for sharing the photos!! --AL Mitterling Quoting ensorama...@ntlworld.com: > Hi Steve, > > Great set of photo's. Wish I'd been there. Thanks for sharing. > > Graham, UK > > Steve Witt wrote: >> Greetings List, >> >> It's hard to believe it's been seven years. If you weren't there...you missed a great time. I uploaded 46 images of the 1000 or so that I took. See: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevewitt/4414362965/in/set-72157623574476890 >> >> Enjoy, >> Steve >> >> >> Steve Witt >> IMCA #9020 >> http://imca.cc/ >> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Probable amateur comet discovery
Hi All, An intriguing story is developing over on the Minor Planet Mailing List. It appears that a comet has been discovered by some unknown party located in the western U.S. (based on the times of the two discovery images). The object has been confirmed today by two observatories: Ageo (349) and Moriyama (900), both in Japan. What's unusual is that the object does NOT appear to have been found using a CCD-equipped telescope. I have a feeling it was found visually, either with a backyard telescope or very large binoculars. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nickel free metal in Meteorites
Hi Carl, Which Kalahari are you referring to? There are 9 in the Met Bull. I did a quick search on this list and google but didn't turn up any info on nickle free iron in the Kalahari. Thanks. Carl2 Carl wrote: >...SO, THIS MAY EXPLAIN THE KALAHARI FIND OF THIS NICKEL FREE IRON? AND YOUR >INPUT IS HIGHLY APPRECIATED HERE... _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] No nickel-free iron meteorites
Rob, Sorry, What I was trying to say is that .1% of something is more that 0%. 0% would be zero. .1% would be something. So, to an atom size person the size of these nickel free iron inclusions found in Chondrules would seem rather large. Remember, They do exist they are just small in chondrules. Image if you were the size of an atom and came up against a piece of iron that had been somehow removed from it's host rock (perhaps it crashed onto a hard surface here on Earth) . It would appear to be very large relatively speaking. remember, you are the size of an Atom. That is what the Earth comparison was about. No one is saying nickel-free iron does not exist so, I am saying that it could be bigger than that found in a small chondrule. Nobody knows how big they are. Until the day comes that we find a big one. that is all I meant. They exist on a small scale so it stands to reason that they would exist on a smaller and a larger scale as well. I don't think we know everything about the size of everything yet. Which leaves room for reasonable doubt. Name one real thing that only comes in one size? That is how I would argue it if I were a juror based on the information at hand. Assuming no DNA evidence exists to the contrary. I hope that makes more sense. I understand there is no NATURAL way of separating these nickel free iron inclusions from their host rock but, meteorites do it all the time by collisions with other meteorites. So far we have only seen relatively small ones in part because we don't always look. Once they fail the quick nickel test they are dead to the world. True story. If you tell an investigator you did a nickel test and it was negative you can talk until blue in the face. Nobody is still listening. that was my original point. We might be missing real meteorites. Maybe Dr. Rubin would not but, screening by others happens way before he ever sees them. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax "Matson wrote: > Hi Carl, > > Alan wrote: > > > "Please note that volumetrically, the amount of low-Ni metallic Fe is > > trivial, far less than 0.1% of a typical chondrite." > > You replied: > > > ".1% is a relative term. Earth may be only a fraction of the size of > > Artares [Antares] but, it is still a pretty big rock." > > I don't think you're quite absorbing what Dr. Rubin is saying. There is > no > natural solar system mechanism that can separate iron from nickel in > macroscopic quantities. So if you find a lump of iron on earth that > doesn't > have nickel in it, it originated here. It is not a question of there > being > room for reasonable doubt. It simply cannot happen. The physics of > nucleosynthesis, cosmochemistry, and entropy do not allow it. > > Best, > Rob > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, 2010
http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_26_2010.html --- www.rocksfromspace.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] More Russian moon robots discovered!
Would make a great headline in the Weekly World News or for Fox. http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/2389/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] That's a bunch of asteroids!
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[meteorite-list] No nickel-free iron meteorites
Hi Carl, Alan wrote: > "Please note that volumetrically, the amount of low-Ni metallic Fe is > trivial, far less than 0.1% of a typical chondrite." You replied: > ".1% is a relative term. Earth may be only a fraction of the size of > Artares [Antares] but, it is still a pretty big rock." I don't think you're quite absorbing what Dr. Rubin is saying. There is no natural solar system mechanism that can separate iron from nickel in macroscopic quantities. So if you find a lump of iron on earth that doesn't have nickel in it, it originated here. It is not a question of there being room for reasonable doubt. It simply cannot happen. The physics of nucleosynthesis, cosmochemistry, and entropy do not allow it. Best, Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] questions about Riker boxes or similar cases
So, I've got a growing little collection of about 20 pieces that are currently still sitting in the original wrappings, boxes, envelopes, etc that they were shipped in from you to me... Not the best way to show them off. I think I like the Riker type box but am worried about the glass scratching (slices) or getting scratched by small irregular shaped pieces. But I would have room in the box to include a note card with information. I also saw a simple case on Gary's website that I think I like... I've also looked at the membrane boxes, but it doesn't seem as easy to label... ?? And I'm not sure how sturdy they are... I have one specimen, my first which was a gift from about 5 years ago, in one and even though it has been sitting undisturbed in a rarely accessed office drawer, the box seems pretty scratched up and the little edges on the top half have broken off. I've been googling and searching... ideally, I would have a cabinet, where they could be displayed for folks to look at, but realistically, I think that some kind of box in which I can include a more detailed label would work for me. Comments? Recommendations?? Clear Skies! Elizabeth __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: Re: Nickel free metal in Meteorites
- > > Alan, > Wow, you like Jeff and Laurence (off-list) must also be an excellent teacher. > All are Certainly a credit to your profession. I must say though as > convincing as you are there remains a tad bit of reasonable doubt. when you > said. > > " Please note that > volumetrically, the amount of low-Ni metallic Fe is trivial, far less than > 0.1% of a typical chondrite." > > ,1% is a relative term. Earth may be only a fraction of the size of Artares > but, it is still a pretty big rock. > > I'm also not sure an Iron has to have all those other things like troilite > either. But again, just a smidgen of reasonable doubt. > > Thanks so much. You are Kind and that is a very good thing. Carl > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > Meteoritemax > > > Alan Rubin wrote: > > > > - Original Message - > > From: > > To: "Alan Rubin" ; "meteoritelist" > > > > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nickel free metal in Meteorites > > > > > > > Alan, > > > Wow, I appreciate that your points are put in terms I can follow but > > > Would > > > you be so kind as to explain a bit better for me to understand? > > > Again, I respect you enough to hear what you are saying but, you lost me > > > in some of your points. I will question below in all caps. No, I'm not > > > yelling. > > > Thanks. > > > -- > > > Carl or Debbie Esparza > > > Meteoritemax > > > > > > > > > Alan Rubin wrote: > > >> Low-Ni or Ni-free iron doesn't occur just in some chondrules. It is also > > >> found in impact-melt-rock clasts in ordinary chondrites and at the edges > > >> of > > >> olivine grains in ureilites. > > > SO, THIS MAY EXPLAIN THE KALAHARI FIND OF THIS NICKEL FREE IRON? AND YOUR > > > INPUT IS HIGHLY APPRECIATED HERE. > > > > I'm afraid I don't know anything about > > this. > > > > > > > These rocks have experienced localized in situ > > >> reduction of FeO to metallic Fe as Jeff has pointed out. But let's look > > >> at > > >> the context, these low-Ni metallic iron grains are situated within mafic > > >> silicate grains that have lots of SiO2, MgO and (away from the reduced > > >> metal) FeO. They are formed in the solid state. A large iron meteorite > > >> isn't situated within a mass of mafic silicate. You could argue that it > > >> broke off, but this also wouldn't work. Diffusion of oxygen out of the > > >> iron > > >> mass would probably take longer than the age of the solar system. > > > ARE WE TALKING 13 BILLION YEARS HERE (BIG BANG) ? OR 4.6 BILLION? > > > WHY COULD THIS NOT HAVE OCCURRED AT THE TIME OF BIG BANG .THIS WAS VERY > > > HOT AND QUICK? > > > > I was talking about the age of the solar > > system, circa 4.6 billion years. There was no iron at the time of the Big > > Bang: only hydrogen, helium and a little lithium. The heavier elements (up > > to iron) were forged later in stars by normal fusion processes and did not > > enter the interstellar medium until these stars died. Iron and heavier > > elements were made in supernova explosions of heavy stars and spewed into > > the interstellar medium. > > > > > > > > > > > In > > >> addition, iron meteorite falls typically contain at least a few > > >> inclusions > > >> of troilite, schreibersite, cohenite, graphite, etc. that would not form > > >> by > > >> reduction of FeO. > > > RESPECTFULLY, EXACTLY MY POINT. HOW WOULD WE EVER KNOW IF THESE THINGS > > > ARE > > > IN A ROCK THAT WE DISMISS BECAUSE IT HAS NO NICKEL? SEEMS TO ME THERE > > > SHOULD BE A BETTER WAY. > > > > I have looked at a lot of iron meteorwrongs and > > they do not include troilite, schreibersite, and cohenite. > > > > > > > So, I'm afraid that I don't believe that we're missing > > >> real meteorites by categorizing Ni-free iron masses as meteor-wrongs. > > > JUST ASKING. I JUST DON'T GET HOW NICKEL IN AN IRON CAN BE 3 TO 60 > > > PERCENT > > > AND NOT ZERO PERCENT? ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE KNOW ZERO PERCENT DOES > > > EXIST > > > IN SPACE. SOMETHING DIFFERENT MIGHT BE GOING ON? > > > > Metallic Fe can form in two ways. Cosmochemists > > surmise that at the beginning of solar-system history there was a hot and > > cooling gas of solar composition at low pressure. If we assume a certain > > pressure, say 1/10,000 of an atmosphere, the we can calculate the > > temperatures at which different elements condense as solids from the gas. > > Metallic Ni condenses at 1354 K; metallic Fe condenses at a slightly lower > > temperature, i.e., 1337 K. The iron is expected to condense on the Ni > > grains > > to form a solid solution of metallic Fe-Ni. As temperatures drop, these > > grains will coarsen. At much lower temperatures, some of the metallic Fe > > will react with oxygen and form FeO. This component is generally > > incorporated into silicate minerals. A
Re: [meteorite-list] Nickel free metal in Meteorites
- Original Message - From: To: "Alan Rubin" ; "meteoritelist" Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nickel free metal in Meteorites Alan, Wow, I appreciate that your points are put in terms I can follow but Would you be so kind as to explain a bit better for me to understand? Again, I respect you enough to hear what you are saying but, you lost me in some of your points. I will question below in all caps. No, I'm not yelling. Thanks. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Alan Rubin wrote: Low-Ni or Ni-free iron doesn't occur just in some chondrules. It is also found in impact-melt-rock clasts in ordinary chondrites and at the edges of olivine grains in ureilites. SO, THIS MAY EXPLAIN THE KALAHARI FIND OF THIS NICKEL FREE IRON? AND YOUR INPUT IS HIGHLY APPRECIATED HERE. I'm afraid I don't know anything about this. These rocks have experienced localized in situ reduction of FeO to metallic Fe as Jeff has pointed out. But let's look at the context, these low-Ni metallic iron grains are situated within mafic silicate grains that have lots of SiO2, MgO and (away from the reduced metal) FeO. They are formed in the solid state. A large iron meteorite isn't situated within a mass of mafic silicate. You could argue that it broke off, but this also wouldn't work. Diffusion of oxygen out of the iron mass would probably take longer than the age of the solar system. ARE WE TALKING 13 BILLION YEARS HERE (BIG BANG) ? OR 4.6 BILLION? WHY COULD THIS NOT HAVE OCCURRED AT THE TIME OF BIG BANG .THIS WAS VERY HOT AND QUICK? I was talking about the age of the solar system, circa 4.6 billion years. There was no iron at the time of the Big Bang: only hydrogen, helium and a little lithium. The heavier elements (up to iron) were forged later in stars by normal fusion processes and did not enter the interstellar medium until these stars died. Iron and heavier elements were made in supernova explosions of heavy stars and spewed into the interstellar medium. In addition, iron meteorite falls typically contain at least a few inclusions of troilite, schreibersite, cohenite, graphite, etc. that would not form by reduction of FeO. RESPECTFULLY, EXACTLY MY POINT. HOW WOULD WE EVER KNOW IF THESE THINGS ARE IN A ROCK THAT WE DISMISS BECAUSE IT HAS NO NICKEL? SEEMS TO ME THERE SHOULD BE A BETTER WAY. I have looked at a lot of iron meteorwrongs and they do not include troilite, schreibersite, and cohenite. So, I'm afraid that I don't believe that we're missing real meteorites by categorizing Ni-free iron masses as meteor-wrongs. JUST ASKING. I JUST DON'T GET HOW NICKEL IN AN IRON CAN BE 3 TO 60 PERCENT AND NOT ZERO PERCENT? ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE KNOW ZERO PERCENT DOES EXIST IN SPACE. SOMETHING DIFFERENT MIGHT BE GOING ON? Metallic Fe can form in two ways. Cosmochemists surmise that at the beginning of solar-system history there was a hot and cooling gas of solar composition at low pressure. If we assume a certain pressure, say 1/10,000 of an atmosphere, the we can calculate the temperatures at which different elements condense as solids from the gas. Metallic Ni condenses at 1354 K; metallic Fe condenses at a slightly lower temperature, i.e., 1337 K. The iron is expected to condense on the Ni grains to form a solid solution of metallic Fe-Ni. As temperatures drop, these grains will coarsen. At much lower temperatures, some of the metallic Fe will react with oxygen and form FeO. This component is generally incorporated into silicate minerals. A chondrite will generally contain grains of metallic Fe-Ni and silicates that contain FeO. Except in the most oxidized chondrites, e.g., R and CK, there is little NiO in the olivine. So, when we have localized in situ reduction, we can form low-Ni metallic Fe from the silicates occurring inside the silicate grains. Please note that volumetrically, the amount of low-Ni metallic Fe is trivial, far less than 0.1% of a typical chondrite. The bulk of the metal grains outside these silicates will be largely unaffected, except that they may have somewhat enhanced Fe/Ni ratios at their margins. Bulk melting of these rocks will merge all of the metal and it will have essentially the cosmic Fe/Ni ratio. Igneous processes such as fractional crystallization in metallic magmas in the cores of differentiated asteroids will change the Fe/Ni ratio of different samples leading to the variety in the irons we see today. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR HELP. CARL Alan - Original Message - From: To: "Jeff Grossman" ; "meteoritelist" Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nickel free metal in Meteorites > Jeff, > Thank you for your well explained points. > As I have said many times before, you would make an excellent tea
[meteorite-list] Historic indian and german meteorites on ebay
Dear List, My name is Andreas Grünemeyer from germany and i´m member of IMCA#1886. I just have a quick note to those who still like to bid on great deals on eBay. I have 3 auctions ending on March 28th 2010. If you like to have some historic meteorites, this is a great chance. Meteorite Shalka 195mg fell 1850 in India very rare !! http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260573040220&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT Meteorite Germany Ramsdorf 745mg fell 1958 very rare!!! http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260573038679&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT Meteorite Germany Hainholz 620mg fell 1856 very rare !! http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260573041538&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT Thanks and best wishes Andreas Grünemeyer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test
Test __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nickel free metal in Meteorites
Alan, Wow, I appreciate that your points are put in terms I can follow but Would you be so kind as to explain a bit better for me to understand? Again, I respect you enough to hear what you are saying but, you lost me in some of your points. I will question below in all caps. No, I'm not yelling. Thanks. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Alan Rubin wrote: > Low-Ni or Ni-free iron doesn't occur just in some chondrules. It is also > found in impact-melt-rock clasts in ordinary chondrites and at the edges of > olivine grains in ureilites. SO, THIS MAY EXPLAIN THE KALAHARI FIND OF THIS NICKEL FREE IRON? AND YOUR INPUT IS HIGHLY APPRECIATED HERE. These rocks have experienced localized in situ > reduction of FeO to metallic Fe as Jeff has pointed out. But let's look at > the context, these low-Ni metallic iron grains are situated within mafic > silicate grains that have lots of SiO2, MgO and (away from the reduced > metal) FeO. They are formed in the solid state. A large iron meteorite > isn't situated within a mass of mafic silicate. You could argue that it > broke off, but this also wouldn't work. Diffusion of oxygen out of the iron > mass would probably take longer than the age of the solar system. ARE WE TALKING 13 BILLION YEARS HERE (BIG BANG) ? OR 4.6 BILLION? WHY COULD THIS NOT HAVE OCCURRED AT THE TIME OF BIG BANG .THIS WAS VERY HOT AND QUICK? In > addition, iron meteorite falls typically contain at least a few inclusions > of troilite, schreibersite, cohenite, graphite, etc. that would not form by > reduction of FeO. RESPECTFULLY, EXACTLY MY POINT. HOW WOULD WE EVER KNOW IF THESE THINGS ARE IN A ROCK THAT WE DISMISS BECAUSE IT HAS NO NICKEL? SEEMS TO ME THERE SHOULD BE A BETTER WAY. So, I'm afraid that I don't believe that we're missing > real meteorites by categorizing Ni-free iron masses as meteor-wrongs. JUST ASKING. I JUST DON'T GET HOW NICKEL IN AN IRON CAN BE 3 TO 60 PERCENT AND NOT ZERO PERCENT? ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE KNOW ZERO PERCENT DOES EXIST IN SPACE. SOMETHING DIFFERENT MIGHT BE GOING ON? THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR HELP. CARL > Alan > > > - Original Message - > From: > To: "Jeff Grossman" ; "meteoritelist" > > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:06 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nickel free metal in Meteorites > > > > Jeff, > > Thank you for your well explained points. > > As I have said many times before, you would make an excellent teacher as > > your answers always stimulate more thoughts. > > On that note. you acknowledge that nickel free metal does exist but, from > > reduced metal and is very small. With all due respect. > > Isn't size a relative thing? > > I mean looking at things on our scale the size of Nickel free metal in > > chondrules is small. So, doesn't this means it could be bigger? > > Look no farther than our own planet. We are way different than other > > planets. > > I have been told by Scientists that the earth is so diverse that it makes > > identification of meteorites difficult. This because Earth can and does > > have so many different types of rocks. And this is just one planet. > > So, going back to scale. What if this Reducing of Fe O that turns it into > > nickel free iron happens to be really big? Say the scale more like Artares > > which makes Earth look like a grain of sand? > > Based on our current method of weeding out meteorwrongs we may never know > > if really big reduction occurs because as part of the weeding process we > > eliminate all metal objects that do not contain nickel. And this reduction > > process as you say is a known fact. > > I see more abstracts based on theory than on nickel free iron facts. > > Another size scale dilemma is also acknowledged in meteorites. They say > > ( tongue in cheek) this is either a very large inclusion and the rest of > > the meteorite is missing. Or this is the whole thing. This is the case > > with irons. Sometimes the iron is nearly pure and other times it is mixed > > with silicates as in meso's. But again the point is that these small bits > > of nickel free iron could be big but we will never know. > > It seems to me if we paid more attention to morphology and find location > > and less on nickel content (as a must) that we would discover an iron > > without nickel. Maybe not as big as Hoba but not as small as what was > > found in HAH 237 CBb either. I believe this nickel free iron was also > > found in one of the Kalahari Lunar's. Is that from a chondrule also? > > This particular meteorite HAH 237 is the one they used recently to reset > > the date of our solar system but not important enough to open our eyes to > > the lack of nickel in bigger meteorites. > > I don't get it? > > I understand there is always a story. "This thing fell through the roof" > > Okay, does it look man made? Does it have serial numbers on it? Is it > > identifiable as an object of any kind like a piece of a tree shredder > > blade? If the
Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Park Forest (Images)
Al, Glad you enjoyed the photos. If memory serves me correctly, I believe every slice shown in those photos was cut by you. You did an amazing job. I remember when Bob Haag first got to town and he said "you've got slices already"? A great time and I'm always open for a get together. Regards, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Fri, 3/26/10, almi...@localnet.com wrote: > From: almi...@localnet.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Park Forest (Images) > To: ensorama...@ntlworld.com > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, stelo...@yahoo.com > Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 12:36 PM > Hi Steve and all, > > Can't believe it's been that long. Great set of photos! > Glad I made some of them. A number of the slices look like > the ones I cut for people there in Park Forest. We had an > amazing time and spent a great deal of time hunting the > area. You were the go to guy for many of us when getting > there. > > Perhaps we need to have a display in the future of the > aniversery of Park Forest and meet at the main hang out > again. > > Thanks for sharing the photos!! > > --AL Mitterling > > Quoting ensorama...@ntlworld.com: > > > Hi Steve, > > > > Great set of photo's. Wish I'd been there. Thanks for > sharing. > > > > Graham, UK > > > > Steve Witt > wrote: > >> Greetings List, > >> > >> It's hard to believe it's been seven years. If you > weren't there...you missed a great time. I uploaded 46 > images of the 1000 or so that I took. See: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevewitt/4414362965/in/set-72157623574476890 > >> > >> Enjoy, > >> Steve > >> > >> > >> Steve Witt > >> IMCA #9020 > >> http://imca.cc/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> __ > >> Visit the Archives at > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nickel free metal in Meteorites
Low-Ni or Ni-free iron doesn't occur just in some chondrules. It is also found in impact-melt-rock clasts in ordinary chondrites and at the edges of olivine grains in ureilites. These rocks have experienced localized in situ reduction of FeO to metallic Fe as Jeff has pointed out. But let's look at the context, these low-Ni metallic iron grains are situated within mafic silicate grains that have lots of SiO2, MgO and (away from the reduced metal) FeO. They are formed in the solid state. A large iron meteorite isn't situated within a mass of mafic silicate. You could argue that it broke off, but this also wouldn't work. Diffusion of oxygen out of the iron mass would probably take longer than the age of the solar system. In addition, iron meteorite falls typically contain at least a few inclusions of troilite, schreibersite, cohenite, graphite, etc. that would not form by reduction of FeO. So, I'm afraid that I don't believe that we're missing real meteorites by categorizing Ni-free iron masses as meteor-wrongs. Alan - Original Message - From: To: "Jeff Grossman" ; "meteoritelist" Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nickel free metal in Meteorites Jeff, Thank you for your well explained points. As I have said many times before, you would make an excellent teacher as your answers always stimulate more thoughts. On that note. you acknowledge that nickel free metal does exist but, from reduced metal and is very small. With all due respect. Isn't size a relative thing? I mean looking at things on our scale the size of Nickel free metal in chondrules is small. So, doesn't this means it could be bigger? Look no farther than our own planet. We are way different than other planets. I have been told by Scientists that the earth is so diverse that it makes identification of meteorites difficult. This because Earth can and does have so many different types of rocks. And this is just one planet. So, going back to scale. What if this Reducing of Fe O that turns it into nickel free iron happens to be really big? Say the scale more like Artares which makes Earth look like a grain of sand? Based on our current method of weeding out meteorwrongs we may never know if really big reduction occurs because as part of the weeding process we eliminate all metal objects that do not contain nickel. And this reduction process as you say is a known fact. I see more abstracts based on theory than on nickel free iron facts. Another size scale dilemma is also acknowledged in meteorites. They say ( tongue in cheek) this is either a very large inclusion and the rest of the meteorite is missing. Or this is the whole thing. This is the case with irons. Sometimes the iron is nearly pure and other times it is mixed with silicates as in meso's. But again the point is that these small bits of nickel free iron could be big but we will never know. It seems to me if we paid more attention to morphology and find location and less on nickel content (as a must) that we would discover an iron without nickel. Maybe not as big as Hoba but not as small as what was found in HAH 237 CBb either. I believe this nickel free iron was also found in one of the Kalahari Lunar's. Is that from a chondrule also? This particular meteorite HAH 237 is the one they used recently to reset the date of our solar system but not important enough to open our eyes to the lack of nickel in bigger meteorites. I don't get it? I understand there is always a story. "This thing fell through the roof" Okay, does it look man made? Does it have serial numbers on it? Is it identifiable as an object of any kind like a piece of a tree shredder blade? If these answers are no then maybe just maybe it did fall from the sky? (NJ meteorite). In this example it was determined to be possible space junk and yet nobody bothered to show which space object it could have come from. This object would have had a significant amount of not only monetary value but scientific as well. What was this stainless steel chunk of metal doing up in space? Why would NASA have misplaced such a strange piece of stainless steel? The science was dropped but, it came from somewhere. We may never know from where though. We dropped the ball on NJ and we may be dropping balls every day from a lack of nickel. Heaven forbid we find the first large nickel free iron! Obviously it would be rare but, there are known ungrouped irons that are equally rare. Just another question. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Jeff Grossman wrote: Ni-free metal occurs within chondrules that have experienced reduction during melting. These chondrules were originally mostly free of metal and therefore free of Ni, but contained oxidized iron (FeO) in the silicate minerals. During reduction, the FeO was converted into Fe metal (if the reducing agent was H2, then you'd also make H2O; if it was C then you'd make CO/CO2).
Re: [meteorite-list] Nickel free metal in Meteorites
Jeff, Thank you for your well explained points. As I have said many times before, you would make an excellent teacher as your answers always stimulate more thoughts. On that note. you acknowledge that nickel free metal does exist but, from reduced metal and is very small. With all due respect. Isn't size a relative thing? I mean looking at things on our scale the size of Nickel free metal in chondrules is small. So, doesn't this means it could be bigger? Look no farther than our own planet. We are way different than other planets. I have been told by Scientists that the earth is so diverse that it makes identification of meteorites difficult. This because Earth can and does have so many different types of rocks. And this is just one planet. So, going back to scale. What if this Reducing of Fe O that turns it into nickel free iron happens to be really big? Say the scale more like Artares which makes Earth look like a grain of sand? Based on our current method of weeding out meteorwrongs we may never know if really big reduction occurs because as part of the weeding process we eliminate all metal objects that do not contain nickel. And this reduction process as you say is a known fact. I see more abstracts based on theory than on nickel free iron facts. Another size scale dilemma is also acknowledged in meteorites. They say ( tongue in cheek) this is either a very large inclusion and the rest of the meteorite is missing. Or this is the whole thing. This is the case with irons. Sometimes the iron is nearly pure and other times it is mixed with silicates as in meso's. But again the point is that these small bits of nickel free iron could be big but we will never know. It seems to me if we paid more attention to morphology and find location and less on nickel content (as a must) that we would discover an iron without nickel. Maybe not as big as Hoba but not as small as what was found in HAH 237 CBb either. I believe this nickel free iron was also found in one of the Kalahari Lunar's. Is that from a chondrule also? This particular meteorite HAH 237 is the one they used recently to reset the date of our solar system but not important enough to open our eyes to the lack of nickel in bigger meteorites. I don't get it? I understand there is always a story. "This thing fell through the roof" Okay, does it look man made? Does it have serial numbers on it? Is it identifiable as an object of any kind like a piece of a tree shredder blade? If these answers are no then maybe just maybe it did fall from the sky? (NJ meteorite). In this example it was determined to be possible space junk and yet nobody bothered to show which space object it could have come from. This object would have had a significant amount of not only monetary value but scientific as well. What was this stainless steel chunk of metal doing up in space? Why would NASA have misplaced such a strange piece of stainless steel? The science was dropped but, it came from somewhere. We may never know from where though. We dropped the ball on NJ and we may be dropping balls every day from a lack of nickel. Heaven forbid we find the first large nickel free iron! Obviously it would be rare but, there are known ungrouped irons that are equally rare. Just another question. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Jeff Grossman wrote: > Ni-free metal occurs within chondrules that have experienced reduction > during melting. These chondrules were originally mostly free of metal > and therefore free of Ni, but contained oxidized iron (FeO) in the > silicate minerals. During reduction, the FeO was converted into Fe > metal (if the reducing agent was H2, then you'd also make H2O; if it was > C then you'd make CO/CO2). The pure Fe metal that is made can manifest > itself as "dusty metal" grains within olivine crystals, or sometimes can > coalesce into larger Fe metal particles in the chondrule. > > The thing about this is, it is a local effect within a few chondrules. > Most of the metal in the chondrite is still Ni-bearing. There is no > easy way to make large masses of this pure Fe metal, such as would form > iron meteorites, because any process that would segregate metal, would > segregate all of it, not just these strange particles. > > Jeff > > On 2010-03-25 5:59 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: > > List, > > During recent research into CBb chondrites I stumbled upon an article from > > 2007 with references from Rubin that shows an image of a CC chondrite with > > nickel free metal. > > How is this possible? > > In past conversations with Scientists when I have asked why do iron > > meteorites always have to have nickel. The typical response is that they > > not only have to have nickel but, it has to have a few percent of nickel > > and not just PPM's of it. In explanation of this as I recall, I've always > > been told the reason that meteoritic iron always has to have Nickel is > > because
[meteorite-list] New Paper on Permian-Triassic Extinction
Dear Friends, There is a new paper about the Permian-Triassic extinction in Chemical Geology. It is: Brookfield, M. E., J. G. Shellnutt, L .Qi, R. Hannigan, G. M. Bhat , and P. B. Wignall, 2010, Platinum element group variations at the Permo–Triassic boundary in Kashmir and British Columbia and their significance. Chemical Geology. vol. 272, pp. 12-19. the abstract is at: "http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.chemgeo.2010.01.008 The paper concludes that the sources of the platinum element group anomalies found at and near the Permian-Triassic boundary are “either contemporaneous seawater or older basaltic volcanics associated with the sections and the PGE were precipitated by a possible combination of development of anoxia in the oceans and post-depositional redistribution.” A related paper is: Brookfield, M. E., R. J. Twitchett and C. Goodings, 2003, Palaeoenvironments of the Permian–Triassic transition sections in Kashmir, India. Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology. vol. 198, no. 3-4, pp. 353-371. http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S0031-0182(03)00476-0 Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay meteorite and crater
Hi Paul and all, Oddly enough I do keep copies of many of the U.S. wrong auctions going back about 7 or 8 years. Notable sellers of current suspect meteorites are listed here: http://meteorite-identification.com/updates.html Although many claim to have found their wrong in a 'crater', this is the largest and best photo of an eBay craterwrong. BTW, I would like to talk to the buyer If anyone knows who won this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310205380871 Best wishes, ken On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Paul H. wrote: > In http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-March/062531.html , > Murray Paulson wrote: > > “Did any of you notice that the crater looks kind of fresh, but the > "meteorite" looks far from fresh, more likely hundreds of years old?” > > The picture is at: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=180483766353 > > The “rim” of this hole is too high and complete to be a tree throw. > Given that this hole is found in Nevada, I would hypothesize that it > is a historic or modern prospect pit dug by someone looking for > minable mineral deposits. These pits can be found all over Nevada, > California, the western United States. > > The rock looks like a chunk of hematite that has replaced some > sort of deeply weathered rock. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=180483766353 > > Someone should archive this bEay page and figures and add them > their collection of meteorwrongs and craterwrongs. The eBay page is: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Huge-Meteorite-Rare-Find_W0QQitemZ180483766353QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2a05abb851 > > Yours, > > Paul > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Park Forest (Images)
Hi Steve and all, Can't believe it's been that long. Great set of photos! Glad I made some of them. A number of the slices look like the ones I cut for people there in Park Forest. We had an amazing time and spent a great deal of time hunting the area. You were the go to guy for many of us when getting there. Perhaps we need to have a display in the future of the aniversery of Park Forest and meet at the main hang out again. Thanks for sharing the photos!! --AL Mitterling Quoting ensorama...@ntlworld.com: Hi Steve, Great set of photo's. Wish I'd been there. Thanks for sharing. Graham, UK Steve Witt wrote: Greetings List, It's hard to believe it's been seven years. If you weren't there...you missed a great time. I uploaded 46 images of the 1000 or so that I took. See: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevewitt/4414362965/in/set-72157623574476890 Enjoy, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrongs at the beach
Hi Mike, I suppose that that's like being aware of strange looking rocks on my daily dog walks. "Hope springs eternal..." no matter what the odds. jerry -- From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:34 AM To: "Jerry Flaherty" Cc: "meteorite-list meteoritecentral" Subject: Meteorwrongs at the beach Hi Jerry, Michael, and List, I'll break the silence with a goofy thought about meteorwrongs. Has anyone ever found meteor wrongs while treasurehunting at the beach or beachcombing? I've found several little iron slags which likely fell or broke off from ships and they become wave-tumbled and rounded. At first glance, they look like a small iron meteorite laying amongst the broken shells and bits thrown up on the shore. Some of them stick to a magnet and some don't. Some are heavy and obviously iron, while others are vesiculated and less dense. The lightweight vesiculated types don't stick to a magnet. My wife found something on Fort Desoto beach that looks like a teardrop-shaped indochinite. It's a dead ringer for one. I'll have to post a pic of it later. It is black, about 2 inches long, teardrop shaped, and it has faux flowlines on it leading away from the head and back towards the "tail". But it's some kind of strange seed pod and not inorganic. I've also found a few small pebbles that have been wave tumbled and their coloration reminds me of a wind-polished stony chondrite with desert varnish. Of course, they don't stick to a magnet, and they are obviously terrestrial when examined with a loupe. One was so convincing that I windowed it just to be sure. I know my chances of finding a meteorite at the beach are not that good, but it's fun to see a meteorwrong while shelling. My mind is on shells, and I am looking for flashes of color or size profiles, and my eye will catch a meteorwrong instead. Best regards, MikeG Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - New L3s, more LOD slices, ebay
Aloha Listoids, First and foremost, Happy Birthday Park Forest! Seven years on planet earth. In celebration, I have a few offerings for your perusal: two new L3 chondrites, more new lodranite slices, and ebay auctions. First the new unequilibrated stones: NWA 6168 L3 (S2, W1) is a wonderfully fresh brecciated stone of 614g TKW. Within a pale matrix are light colored chondrules and large L4 clasts. This stone is paired with NWA 5667/5701 and one look will remind you of this. Slices from 15 to 20 grams, and a 55g fat endcut can be seen at http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/desertDeals.html NWA 6169 L3.3 (S2, W2) is brecciated stone of 270g TKW. Cut slices reveal many different L3 lithologies co-mingling in the same meteorite, along with chondrules of almost every type and color. A veritable feast for the eyes: http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/270g/_NWAx93.83a.jpg . Slices from 5 to 15 grams, and a fat 93.83g endcut are available: http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/desertDeals.html NWA 6075 Lodranite is one gorgeous stone that features a 3D brecciation that has to be seen to be appreciated. Slices went quickly the first time around. I cut some more down and have them available in smaller uncut fragments, a few slices and one endcut. Check out the webpage for selection, but if you don't find what you are looking for, drop me a line and I may be able to find a Private Reserve piece or two. http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/NWA6075.html Finally, my regular weekly ebay auctions featuring a full lineup of quality specimens will end tomorrow, Saturday, March 27 starting at 10:20 am Pacific / 1:20 pm Eastern / 6:20 pm London / 8:20 pm Helsinki. Too many items to list here (including a Park Forest PS), many still at $1. Its worth your time to take a look: http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html Remember that you can count on the Big Kahuna to provide you with the highest quality authentic meteorites at the lowest prices on earth. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorwrongs at the beach
Hi Jerry, Michael, and List, I'll break the silence with a goofy thought about meteorwrongs. Has anyone ever found meteor wrongs while treasurehunting at the beach or beachcombing? I've found several little iron slags which likely fell or broke off from ships and they become wave-tumbled and rounded. At first glance, they look like a small iron meteorite laying amongst the broken shells and bits thrown up on the shore. Some of them stick to a magnet and some don't. Some are heavy and obviously iron, while others are vesiculated and less dense. The lightweight vesiculated types don't stick to a magnet. My wife found something on Fort Desoto beach that looks like a teardrop-shaped indochinite. It's a dead ringer for one. I'll have to post a pic of it later. It is black, about 2 inches long, teardrop shaped, and it has faux flowlines on it leading away from the head and back towards the "tail". But it's some kind of strange seed pod and not inorganic. I've also found a few small pebbles that have been wave tumbled and their coloration reminds me of a wind-polished stony chondrite with desert varnish. Of course, they don't stick to a magnet, and they are obviously terrestrial when examined with a loupe. One was so convincing that I windowed it just to be sure. I know my chances of finding a meteorite at the beach are not that good, but it's fun to see a meteorwrong while shelling. My mind is on shells, and I am looking for flashes of color or size profiles, and my eye will catch a meteorwrong instead. Best regards, MikeG Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is anyone out there?
Hello, No. Just their ability to write anything... Best Wishes Michael On Mar 26, 2010, at 9:20 AM, Jerry Flaherty wrote: > Did the List drop off the planet? > Jerry Flaherty __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Is anyone out there?
Did the List drop off the planet? Jerry Flaherty __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] eBay meteorite and crater
In http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-March/062531.html , Murray Paulson wrote: “Did any of you notice that the crater looks kind of fresh, but the "meteorite" looks far from fresh, more likely hundreds of years old?” The picture is at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=180483766353 The “rim” of this hole is too high and complete to be a tree throw. Given that this hole is found in Nevada, I would hypothesize that it is a historic or modern prospect pit dug by someone looking for minable mineral deposits. These pits can be found all over Nevada, California, the western United States. The rock looks like a chunk of hematite that has replaced some sort of deeply weathered rock. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=180483766353 Someone should archive this bEay page and figures and add them their collection of meteorwrongs and craterwrongs. The eBay page is: http://cgi.ebay.com/Huge-Meteorite-Rare-Find_W0QQitemZ180483766353QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2a05abb851 Yours, Paul __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo, Imilac , MALI for sale!
Hi all, I have some cool stuff ending on ebay today. Check them out here http://shop.ebay.com/mr-meteorite/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340 -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test 2- ignore again please
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[meteorite-list] Testing - please ignore
Test 3 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Remembering Park Forest (Images)
Steve Witt kindly reminds us of the 7th anniversary of the P.F. fall: "It's hard to believe it's been seven years. If you weren't there...you missed a great time. I uploaded 46 images of the 1000 or so that I took." http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevewitt/4414362965/in/set-72157623574476890 Gary's comment: "Okay Steve, rub it in why dontcha" OK, rubbing it in a little more ;-) I proudly own five small Park Forest specimens showing some of the characteristical features of the Park Forest (L5) chondrite: - brecciation - shock veining - impact melt pockets - slightly oval chondrules - abundant metal and troilite - dual (light and dark) lithology - shock darkening of the silicates .. and topping it off: These 5 specimens were a generous gift from Steve! ..of course, there is also a thin section that I purchased from "jnmczurich" Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Park Forest (Images)
Hi Steve, Great set of photo's. Wish I'd been there. Thanks for sharing. Graham, UK Steve Witt wrote: > Greetings List, > > It's hard to believe it's been seven years. If you weren't there...you missed > a great time. I uploaded 46 images of the 1000 or so that I took. See: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevewitt/4414362965/in/set-72157623574476890 > > Enjoy, > Steve > > > Steve Witt > IMCA #9020 > http://imca.cc/ > > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay meteorite and crater
Gosh darn, Just to point something out with my detective skills ;-) ..."flying monkeys" feedback and feedback he has given show that he buys... Tactical Boots, since 10.5, desert boots size 10,,, knives and biker patches You can put the pieces together with what he has said on the auction and to the private emails he has sent. As I mentioned earlier it looks like iron ore hematite and Jason Utas mentioned he thought it was hematite too. Flying is in the Reno area so it would be nice if it were a meteorite, but I guess until someone gets their hands on a sample we can be safe in saying that it probably isn't, but that isn't my call. On the bids, you can see that a person with 15 feedbacks bid about every other second or so near the end and won it at $500. It only shows the amount of the "highest bid" though to us outsiders of the auction. When you see bids like that it meant he was bidding it above $500, for example $510, then 2 seconds later $520, $550, $600 etc. You can't see how high he went up to since only the highest winning bid amount shows, but whomever he/she was they really wanted it since you are not able to bid 12 additional bids at the same amount so that is why he bid it up in higher increments of probably $5-10 dollars when it gets above $500. Anyhow it's too late or too early. I wish you all well. Take care, Brian __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay meteorite and crater
Hello All, The "crater" is typical in appearance of many mining prospects in gold rush country, and the stone itself appears to be hematite - there looks to be a nice seam of quartz running through it in some of the photos. If it is, it would actually make sense - the prospector who dug the hole might have thought that there could be other metal-bearing ores nearby. Sometimes you can find great stuff on ebay...sometimes not. Regards, Jason On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Murray Paulson wrote: > Hi: > > Did any of you notice that the crater looks kind of fresh, but the > "meteorite" looks far from fresh, more likely hundreds of years old? > This one smells! P.T. Barnum said something about the likes of the > bidders! > > Murray Paulson > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:46 AM, JoshuaTreeMuseum > wrote: >> Possibilities, but probably not. The crater looks like what's left after a >> tree falls over and is removed. This find (or not) is courtesy of the >> Meteorite Men. Whaddya think?: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Huge-Meteorite-Rare-Find_W0QQitemZ180483766353QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2a05abb851 >> >> >> What are the chances of finding a rock in Newfoundland that looks just like >> a Newfoundland dog? I also liked the Vincent rock: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/2-UNIQUE-ROCK-FORMATIONS-NFLD-DOG-SKULL-METEORITE_W0QQitemZ270551650886QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_2?hash=item3efe229246 >> >> >> >> >> Phil Whitmer >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
