Re: [meteorite-list] off topic NFL pregame Flyover
As a former Air Force air traffic controller, I really appreciate that video. Thanks for putting it on. I know it was off the meteorite topic, but it was very cool. Greg Lindh Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:57:05 -0400 From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] off topic NFL pregame Flyover Proud to be an American. One of Americas greatest moments; Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWSUAoYcH5c -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 13, 2010
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[meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/museum-investigates-meteorite-claims/story-e6frg1ac-1225837470139 Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' SCIENTISTS investigating claims a meteor fragment the size of a cricket ball collided into a WA house have confirmed it was almost certainly a rock. The object hit the roof of the home about 4pm on Thursday in the north-eastern Perth suburb of Beechboro. A female occupant thought it was a meteor. The WA Museum today said the object may have fallen from a plane lowering its landing gear. The museum's head of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Dr Alex Bevan, yesterday inspected the object, which he did not suspect was from outer space. Alex did have a look at some photos of the object, but when he did look at it in person, he did not think it was from a meteorite, a museum spokesperson said. Sometimes rocks get caught in the wheels of planes and as they are lowering their gear they may fall, we just don't know. Perth Observatory said it had received a couple of reports on Thursday night from people phoning to say they had seen a light in the sky. At this stage no one seems to be able to put it all together, but if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government, observatory astronomer Ralph Martyn said. The reports at this stage are very sketchy. He said the observatory was waiting to inspect a photograph of the object. A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. Because those people finding real meteorites, lunars and Martians aren't coming to Australia. :-( Why? Because: if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government. Other question, would WA Government have paid the fixing of the roof, if it would have been a meteorite? I mean, then the damage would have caused by a property of the state, wouldn't it? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Kuyken Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2010 16:35 An: meteorite list Betreff: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not meteorite' http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/museum-investigates-meteori te-claims/story-e6frg1ac-1225837470139 Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' SCIENTISTS investigating claims a meteor fragment the size of a cricket ball collided into a WA house have confirmed it was almost certainly a rock. The object hit the roof of the home about 4pm on Thursday in the north-eastern Perth suburb of Beechboro. A female occupant thought it was a meteor. The WA Museum today said the object may have fallen from a plane lowering its landing gear. The museum's head of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Dr Alex Bevan, yesterday inspected the object, which he did not suspect was from outer space. Alex did have a look at some photos of the object, but when he did look at it in person, he did not think it was from a meteorite, a museum spokesperson said. Sometimes rocks get caught in the wheels of planes and as they are lowering their gear they may fall, we just don't know. Perth Observatory said it had received a couple of reports on Thursday night from people phoning to say they had seen a light in the sky. At this stage no one seems to be able to put it all together, but if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government, observatory astronomer Ralph Martyn said. The reports at this stage are very sketchy. He said the observatory was waiting to inspect a photograph of the object. A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
Hi Martin, I thought the last two lines in your email were great: Other question, would WA Government have paid the fixing of the roof, if it would have been a meteorite? I mean, then the damage would have caused by a property of the state,wouldn't it? Good pointI had to laugh at that one! Greg From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:29:58 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. Because those people finding real meteorites, lunars and Martians aren't coming to Australia. :-( Why? Because: if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government. Other question, would WA Government have paid the fixing of the roof, if it would have been a meteorite? I mean, then the damage would have caused by a property of the state, wouldn't it? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Kuyken Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2010 16:35 An: meteorite list Betreff: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not meteorite' http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/museum-investigates-meteori te-claims/story-e6frg1ac-1225837470139 Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' SCIENTISTS investigating claims a meteor fragment the size of a cricket ball collided into a WA house have confirmed it was almost certainly a rock. The object hit the roof of the home about 4pm on Thursday in the north-eastern Perth suburb of Beechboro. A female occupant thought it was a meteor. The WA Museum today said the object may have fallen from a plane lowering its landing gear. The museum's head of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Dr Alex Bevan, yesterday inspected the object, which he did not suspect was from outer space. Alex did have a look at some photos of the object, but when he did look at it in person, he did not think it was from a meteorite, a museum spokesperson said. Sometimes rocks get caught in the wheels of planes and as they are lowering their gear they may fall, we just don't know. Perth Observatory said it had received a couple of reports on Thursday night from people phoning to say they had seen a light in the sky. At this stage no one seems to be able to put it all together, but if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government, observatory astronomer Ralph Martyn said. The reports at this stage are very sketchy. He said the observatory was waiting to inspect a photograph of the object. A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RFS-POD Paul Swart's Gibeon
Wow! Absolutely beautiful! Very nice piece Paul! Best regards, Charley Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's try elephants ! Hannibal Message: 7 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 06:55:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 13, 2010 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 1377989231.2066141271166930116.javamail.r...@mbs1.homesteadmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_13_2010.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
Interesting thought Martin... I wonder what their position would be regarding a meteorite (that belonged to the state) hitting and injuring/killing somebody? Graham, UK Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. Because those people finding real meteorites, lunars and Martians aren't coming to Australia. :-( Why? Because: if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government. Other question, would WA Government have paid the fixing of the roof, if it would have been a meteorite? I mean, then the damage would have caused by a property of the state, wouldn't it? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Kuyken Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2010 16:35 An: meteorite list Betreff: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not meteorite' http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/museum-investigates-meteori te-claims/story-e6frg1ac-1225837470139 Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' SCIENTISTS investigating claims a meteor fragment the size of a cricket ball collided into a WA house have confirmed it was almost certainly a rock. The object hit the roof of the home about 4pm on Thursday in the north-eastern Perth suburb of Beechboro. A female occupant thought it was a meteor. The WA Museum today said the object may have fallen from a plane lowering its landing gear. The museum's head of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Dr Alex Bevan, yesterday inspected the object, which he did not suspect was from outer space. Alex did have a look at some photos of the object, but when he did look at it in person, he did not think it was from a meteorite, a museum spokesperson said. Sometimes rocks get caught in the wheels of planes and as they are lowering their gear they may fall, we just don't know. Perth Observatory said it had received a couple of reports on Thursday night from people phoning to say they had seen a light in the sky. At this stage no one seems to be able to put it all together, but if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government, observatory astronomer Ralph Martyn said. The reports at this stage are very sketchy. He said the observatory was waiting to inspect a photograph of the object. A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
They would call it an 'Act Of God. Warren Sansoucie Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:31:44 +0100 From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; altm...@meteorite-martin.de Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' Interesting thought Martin... I wonder what their position would be regarding a meteorite (that belonged to the state) hitting and injuring/killing somebody? Graham, UK Martin Altmann wrote: A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. Because those people finding real meteorites, lunars and Martians aren't coming to Australia. :-( Why? Because: if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government. Other question, would WA Government have paid the fixing of the roof, if it would have been a meteorite? I mean, then the damage would have caused by a property of the state, wouldn't it? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Kuyken Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2010 16:35 An: meteorite list Betreff: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not meteorite' http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/museum-investigates-meteori te-claims/story-e6frg1ac-1225837470139 Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' SCIENTISTS investigating claims a meteor fragment the size of a cricket ball collided into a WA house have confirmed it was almost certainly a rock. The object hit the roof of the home about 4pm on Thursday in the north-eastern Perth suburb of Beechboro. A female occupant thought it was a meteor. The WA Museum today said the object may have fallen from a plane lowering its landing gear. The museum's head of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Dr Alex Bevan, yesterday inspected the object, which he did not suspect was from outer space. Alex did have a look at some photos of the object, but when he did look at it in person, he did not think it was from a meteorite, a museum spokesperson said. Sometimes rocks get caught in the wheels of planes and as they are lowering their gear they may fall, we just don't know. Perth Observatory said it had received a couple of reports on Thursday night from people phoning to say they had seen a light in the sky. At this stage no one seems to be able to put it all together, but if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government, observatory astronomer Ralph Martyn said. The reports at this stage are very sketchy. He said the observatory was waiting to inspect a photograph of the object. A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
Any lawyer could argue his way out of this dilema with one simple slip. The meteorite, while falling, is a meteoroid, not a meteorite, hence it is under God's jurisdiction. You, your car, your house, your dead dog (or cow) are not the Earth. The meteorite only becomes a meteorite when it touches the Earth, after killing you, perforating your car, smashing your house, or killing your dog. Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of The State. No harm, no fault. Hand it over, please. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' Interesting thought Martin... I wonder what their position would be regarding a meteorite (that belonged to the state) hitting and injuring/killing somebody? Graham, UK Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. Because those people finding real meteorites, lunars and Martians aren't coming to Australia. :-( Why? Because: if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government. Other question, would WA Government have paid the fixing of the roof, if it would have been a meteorite? I mean, then the damage would have caused by a property of the state, wouldn't it? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Kuyken Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2010 16:35 An: meteorite list Betreff: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not meteorite' http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/museum-investigates-meteori te-claims/story-e6frg1ac-1225837470139 Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' SCIENTISTS investigating claims a meteor fragment the size of a cricket ball collided into a WA house have confirmed it was almost certainly a rock. The object hit the roof of the home about 4pm on Thursday in the north-eastern Perth suburb of Beechboro. A female occupant thought it was a meteor. The WA Museum today said the object may have fallen from a plane lowering its landing gear. The museum's head of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Dr Alex Bevan, yesterday inspected the object, which he did not suspect was from outer space. Alex did have a look at some photos of the object, but when he did look at it in person, he did not think it was from a meteorite, a museum spokesperson said. Sometimes rocks get caught in the wheels of planes and as they are lowering their gear they may fall, we just don't know. Perth Observatory said it had received a couple of reports on Thursday night from people phoning to say they had seen a light in the sky. At this stage no one seems to be able to put it all together, but if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government, observatory astronomer Ralph Martyn said. The reports at this stage are very sketchy. He said the observatory was waiting to inspect a photograph of the object. A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of The State. So if a meteoroid embeds itself into your car, or you catch it before it hits the ground (ya, improbable as it seems), or if bounces off a cow and you catch it, does it belong to you now since it did not become a meteorite? - YvW On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Any lawyer could argue his way out of this dilema with one simple slip. The meteorite, while falling, is a meteoroid, not a meteorite, hence it is under God's jurisdiction. You, your car, your house, your dead dog (or cow) are not the Earth. The meteorite only becomes a meteorite when it touches the Earth, after killing you, perforating your car, smashing your house, or killing your dog. Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of The State. No harm, no fault. Hand it over, please. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' Interesting thought Martin... I wonder what their position would be regarding a meteorite (that belonged to the state) hitting and injuring/killing somebody? Graham, UK Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. Because those people finding real meteorites, lunars and Martians aren't coming to Australia. :-( Why? Because: if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government. Other question, would WA Government have paid the fixing of the roof, if it would have been a meteorite? I mean, then the damage would have caused by a property of the state, wouldn't it? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Kuyken Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2010 16:35 An: meteorite list Betreff: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not meteorite' http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/museum-investigates-meteori te-claims/story-e6frg1ac-1225837470139 Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' SCIENTISTS investigating claims a meteor fragment the size of a cricket ball collided into a WA house have confirmed it was almost certainly a rock. The object hit the roof of the home about 4pm on Thursday in the north-eastern Perth suburb of Beechboro. A female occupant thought it was a meteor. The WA Museum today said the object may have fallen from a plane lowering its landing gear. The museum's head of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Dr Alex Bevan, yesterday inspected the object, which he did not suspect was from outer space. Alex did have a look at some photos of the object, but when he did look at it in person, he did not think it was from a meteorite, a museum spokesperson said. Sometimes rocks get caught in the wheels of planes and as they are lowering their gear they may fall, we just don't know. Perth Observatory said it had received a couple of reports on Thursday night from people phoning to say they had seen a light in the sky. At this stage no one seems to be able to put it all together, but if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government, observatory astronomer Ralph Martyn said. The reports at this stage are very sketchy. He said the observatory was waiting to inspect a photograph of the object. A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at
[meteorite-list] Planets continue being weird
http://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1016/ Turning Planetary Theory Upside Down 13 April 2010 The discovery of nine new transiting exoplanets is announced today at the RAS National Astronomy Meeting (NAM2010). When these new results were combined with earlier observations of transiting exoplanets astronomers were surprised to find that six out of a larger sample of 27 were found to be orbiting in the opposite direction to the rotation of their host star the exact reverse of what is seen in our own Solar System. The new discoveries provide an unexpected and serious challenge to current theories of planet formation. They also suggest that systems with exoplanets of the type known as hot Jupiters are unlikely to contain Earth-like planets. This is a real bomb we are dropping into the field of exoplanets, says Amaury Triaud, a PhD student at the Geneva Observatory who, with Andrew Cameron and Didier Queloz, leads a major part of the observational campaign. Planets are thought to form in the disc of gas and dust encircling a young star. This proto-planetary disc rotates in the same direction as the star itself, and up to now it was expected that planets that form from the disc would all orbit in more or less the same plane, and that they would move along their orbits in the same direction as the stars rotation. This is the case for the planets in the Solar System. After the initial detection of the nine new exoplanets [1] with the Wide Angle Search for Planets (WASP, [2]), the team of astronomers used the HARPS spectrograph on the 3.6-metre ESO telescope at the La Silla observatory in Chile, along with data from the Swiss Euler telescope, also at La Silla, and data from other telescopes to confirm the discoveries and characterise the transiting exoplanets [3] found in both the new and older surveys. Surprisingly, when the team combined the new data with older observations they found that more than half of all the hot Jupiters [4] studied have orbits that are misaligned with the rotation axis of their parent stars. They even found that six exoplanets in this extended study (of which two are new discoveries) have retrograde motion: they orbit their star in the wrong direction. The new results really challenge the conventional wisdom that planets should always orbit in the same direction as their stars spin, says Andrew Cameron of the University of St Andrews, who presented the new results at the RAS National Astronomy Meeting (NAM2010) in Glasgow this week. In the 15 years since the first hot Jupiters were discovered, their origin has been a puzzle. These are planets with masses similar to or greater than that of Jupiter, but that orbit very close to their suns. The cores of giant planets are thought to form from a mix of rock and ice particles found only in the cold outer reaches of planetary systems. Hot Jupiters must therefore form far from their star and subsequently migrate inwards to orbits much closer to the parent star. Many astronomers believed this was due to gravitational interactions with the disc of dust from which they formed. This scenario takes place over a few million years and results in an orbit aligned with the rotation axis of the parent star. It would also allow Earth-like rocky planets to form subsequently, but unfortunately it cannot account for the new observations. To account for the new retrograde exoplanets an alternative migration theory suggests that the proximity of hot Jupiters to their stars is not due to interactions with the dust disc at all, but to a slower evolution process involving a gravitational tug-of-war with more distant planetary or stellar companions over hundreds of millions of years. After these disturbances have bounced a giant exoplanet into a tilted and elongated orbit it would suffer tidal friction, losing energy every time it swung close to the star. It would eventually become parked in a near circular, but randomly tilted, orbit close to the star. A dramatic side-effect of this process is that it would wipe out any other smaller Earth-like planet in these systems, says Didier Queloz of Geneva Observatory. Two of the newly discovered retrograde planets have already been found to have more distant, massive companions that could potentially be the cause of the upset. These new results will trigger an intensive search for additional bodies in other planetary systems. This research was presented at the Royal Astronomical Society National Astronomy Meeting (NAM2010) that is taking place this week in Glasgow, Scotland. Nine publications submitted to international journals will be released on this occasion, four of them using data from ESO facilities. On the same occasion, the WASP consortium was awarded the 2010 Royal Astronomical Society Group Achievement Award. Notes [1] The current count of known exoplanets is 454. [2] The nine newly found exoplanets were discovered by the Wide Angle Search for Planets (WASP). WASP comprises two robotic
[meteorite-list] Oh, the humanity!
Er, oh the alien-anity? http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/04/13/astronomer-earth-like-planets-are-common-but-stars-have-eaten-many/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
I'd argue that a meteoroid becomes a meteor as soon as becomes incandescent and it becomes a meteorite at instant incandescence ends. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 4/13/10, Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com wrote: From: Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 2:29 PM Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of The State. So if a meteoroid embeds itself into your car, or you catch it before it hits the ground (ya, improbable as it seems), or if bounces off a cow and you catch it, does it belong to you now since it did not become a meteorite? - YvW On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Any lawyer could argue his way out of this dilema with one simple slip. The meteorite, while falling, is a meteoroid, not a meteorite, hence it is under God's jurisdiction. You, your car, your house, your dead dog (or cow) are not the Earth. The meteorite only becomes a meteorite when it touches the Earth, after killing you, perforating your car, smashing your house, or killing your dog. Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of The State. No harm, no fault. Hand it over, please. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' Interesting thought Martin... I wonder what their position would be regarding a meteorite (that belonged to the state) hitting and injuring/killing somebody? Graham, UK Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. Because those people finding real meteorites, lunars and Martians aren't coming to Australia. :-( Why? Because: if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government. Other question, would WA Government have paid the fixing of the roof, if it would have been a meteorite? I mean, then the damage would have caused by a property of the state, wouldn't it? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Kuyken Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2010 16:35 An: meteorite list Betreff: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not meteorite' http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/museum-investigates-meteori te-claims/story-e6frg1ac-1225837470139 Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' SCIENTISTS investigating claims a meteor fragment the size of a cricket ball collided into a WA house have confirmed it was almost certainly a rock. The object hit the roof of the home about 4pm on Thursday in the north-eastern Perth suburb of Beechboro. A female occupant thought it was a meteor. The WA Museum today said the object may have fallen from a plane lowering its landing gear. The museum's head of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Dr Alex Bevan, yesterday inspected the object, which he did not suspect was from outer space. Alex did have a look at some photos of the object, but when he did look at it in person, he did not think it was from a meteorite, a museum spokesperson said. Sometimes rocks get caught in the wheels of planes and as they are lowering their gear they may fall, we just don't know. Perth Observatory said it had received a couple of reports on Thursday night from people phoning to say they had seen a light in the sky. At this stage no one seems to be able to put it all together, but if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government, observatory astronomer Ralph Martyn said. The reports at this stage are very sketchy. He said the observatory was waiting to inspect a photograph of the object. A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
After a quick Google and Looking at all of the definitions of what a meteorite is. None of them say when. I think it's safe to say that the WA government has it planned this way and will eventually claim all Lunars as WA property.. As they will argue that the Moon was formed by a collision with Earth's WA region and bounced off. So, by WA law the moon is a meteorite and belongs to them. They will further argue that Earth itself was formed by meteorite collisions 4.6 billion years ago so WA also owns all of the Earth as well as it is just an older meteorite. Thank GOD for lawyers. WA was afraid they were going to miss out on something. sorry but this also makes the Moon a terran (Earth) meteorite doesn't it? -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com wrote: Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of The State. So if a meteoroid embeds itself into your car, or you catch it before it hits the ground (ya, improbable as it seems), or if bounces off a cow and you catch it, does it belong to you now since it did not become a meteorite? - YvW On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Any lawyer could argue his way out of this dilema with one simple slip. The meteorite, while falling, is a meteoroid, not a meteorite, hence it is under God's jurisdiction. You, your car, your house, your dead dog (or cow) are not the Earth. The meteorite only becomes a meteorite when it touches the Earth, after killing you, perforating your car, smashing your house, or killing your dog. Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of The State. No harm, no fault. Hand it over, please. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' Interesting thought Martin... I wonder what their position would be regarding a meteorite (that belonged to the state) hitting and injuring/killing somebody? Graham, UK Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. Because those people finding real meteorites, lunars and Martians aren't coming to Australia. :-( Why? Because: if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government. Other question, would WA Government have paid the fixing of the roof, if it would have been a meteorite? I mean, then the damage would have caused by a property of the state, wouldn't it? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Kuyken Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2010 16:35 An: meteorite list Betreff: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not meteorite' http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/museum-investigates-meteori te-claims/story-e6frg1ac-1225837470139 Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' SCIENTISTS investigating claims a meteor fragment the size of a cricket ball collided into a WA house have confirmed it was almost certainly a rock. The object hit the roof of the home about 4pm on Thursday in the north-eastern Perth suburb of Beechboro. A female occupant thought it was a meteor. The WA Museum today said the object may have fallen from a plane lowering its landing gear. The museum's head of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Dr Alex Bevan, yesterday inspected the object, which he did not suspect was from outer space. Alex did have a look at some photos of the object, but when he did look at it in person, he did not think it was from a meteorite, a museum spokesperson said. Sometimes rocks get caught in the wheels of planes and as they are lowering their gear they may fall, we just don't know. Perth Observatory said it had received a couple of reports on Thursday night from people phoning to say they had seen a light in the sky. At this stage no one seems to be able to put it all together, but if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government, observatory astronomer Ralph Martyn said. The reports at this stage are very sketchy. He said the observatory was waiting to inspect a photograph of the object. A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing
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...and it becomes a meteorite at instant incandescence ends. I've been saying this for years and met resistance every foot of the way. geozay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Sterling, but then falls like Benld, Glanerbrug or the Barwells in the eaves wouldn't be meteorites in WA. Hmmm let's skip simply that WA-law. Quick Bulletin database search - WA had in the last 18 years only 2 new meteorites. But in the 40 years before 74 new meteorites in WA, So that law was a big bs. And really nobody in WA had any advantage from that. Preschool maths is required to understand that intellectually. Huh and we have to take care that those guys from Perth observatory or that Alex won't be dragged into a comedy show, when once a shower happens there or when the meteorite men are going on air there, that no press articles will be published, asking why exactly in Australia no meteorites are found, in contrast to the rest of the world and in contrast to the times before. Or do we have to wait for the next generations, as Jason suggested it? (But why should they find more meteorites then, if now none are found?) I beg your pardon of all of you, but that law stuff is so silly and I'm waiting for years now, that somebody could explain me, where the advantage of such laws would be, only a single reason, though nobody obviously could so. O Felix America - O Miser Australia! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Sterling K. Webb [mailto:sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2010 23:07 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Warren Sansoucie; ensoramanda; Martin Altmann Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' Any lawyer could argue his way out of this dilema with one simple slip. The meteorite, while falling, is a meteoroid, not a meteorite, hence it is under God's jurisdiction. You, your car, your house, your dead dog (or cow) are not the Earth. The meteorite only becomes a meteorite when it touches the Earth, after killing you, perforating your car, smashing your house, or killing your dog. Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of The State. No harm, no fault. Hand it over, please. Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
That's nearly the definition I use, except... I consider a meteor to be just the luminous aspect, not the body itself. So in my usage, a meteoroid still exists during the meteor phase. That way I can distinguish between the incandescent aspects and the body itself. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not meteorite' I'd argue that a meteoroid becomes a meteor as soon as becomes incandescent and it becomes a meteorite at instant incandescence ends. -- Richard Kowalski __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Well, if The State had used the touched the Earth argument to weasel out of State liability but still claim the stone, yes, you could counter- claim ownership if you caught it before it landed. But you'd have to be careful to never drop it outdoors, because at that moment, it would become the property of The State! Back in the real world, meteorite laws are few and vague and meteorite court cases are scarce indeed. In this reality, the State is usually successful in asserting whatever they wish to assert. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not meteorite' Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of The State. So if a meteoroid embeds itself into your car, or you catch it before it hits the ground (ya, improbable as it seems), or if bounces off a cow and you catch it, does it belong to you now since it did not become a meteorite? - YvW On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Any lawyer could argue his way out of this dilema with one simple slip. The meteorite, while falling, is a meteoroid, not a meteorite, hence it is under God's jurisdiction. You, your car, your house, your dead dog (or cow) are not the Earth. The meteorite only becomes a meteorite when it touches the Earth, after killing you, perforating your car, smashing your house, or killing your dog. Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of The State. No harm, no fault. Hand it over, please. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' Interesting thought Martin... I wonder what their position would be regarding a meteorite (that belonged to the state) hitting and injuring/killing somebody? Graham, UK Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. Because those people finding real meteorites, lunars and Martians aren't coming to Australia. :-( Why? Because: if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government. Other question, would WA Government have paid the fixing of the roof, if it would have been a meteorite? I mean, then the damage would have caused by a property of the state, wouldn't it? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Kuyken Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2010 16:35 An: meteorite list Betreff: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not meteorite' http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/museum-investigates-meteori te-claims/story-e6frg1ac-1225837470139 Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' SCIENTISTS investigating claims a meteor fragment the size of a cricket ball collided into a WA house have confirmed it was almost certainly a rock. The object hit the roof of the home about 4pm on Thursday in the north-eastern Perth suburb of Beechboro. A female occupant thought it was a meteor. The WA Museum today said the object may have fallen from a plane lowering its landing gear. The museum's head of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Dr Alex Bevan, yesterday inspected the object, which he did not suspect was from outer space. Alex did have a look at some photos of the object, but when he did look at it in person, he did not think it was from a meteorite, a museum spokesperson said. Sometimes rocks get caught in the wheels of planes and as they are lowering their gear they may fall, we just don't know. Perth Observatory said it had received a couple of reports on Thursday night from people phoning to say they had seen a light in the sky. At this stage no one seems to be able to put it all together, but if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government, observatory astronomer Ralph Martyn said. The reports at this stage are very sketchy. He said the observatory was waiting to inspect a photograph of the object. A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at
Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
In a message dated 4/13/2010 4:29:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veom...@gmail.com writes: Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of The State. So if a meteoroid embeds itself into your car, or you catch it before it hits the ground (ya, improbable as it seems), or if bounces off a cow and you catch it, does it belong to you now since it did not become a meteorite? - YvW *** Veomega, As I understand, the St. Louis meteorite hit a car and stayed in it while it was being driven down a city street. On an aside, I don't think the City of St. Louis asserted any claim that it was their property. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
Hi Carl, If Australia has signed the Moon treaty and the Space treaty, then not. I rather think the asteroid belt belongs to China, the Moon to Slovakia and Mars to Algeria. And the rest of the universe to the Philippines. Don't believe in the lunar land sellers, the Moon was once given by Frederick II. of Prussia to Mr. Aul Juergens. So I declare all lunar meteorites and Apollo rocks to be cultural and natural heritage of Germany - as long as no valid export papers are delivered, that they once were legally removes and exported from Moon and imported to Planet Earth. Let's be rather productive and design a meteorite law for Monaco, Andorra and Djibouti. The danger is not negligible that once a meteorite will be found there, and let it be after 2000 years. Slovakia and Denmark sharply recognized that danger and called together the most brilliant minds of their nation, to create a law to handle that danger and these most urgent and important problems of their times. ...sorry I can't help with that task, I have to generate tax money in selling meteorites for paying the fireball camera network, the Aussies got as a gift from the European Union to play with... And it wasn't directly cheap :-) Btw. lunars WA can have. They only have to hire a contract finder. No, we make jokes, but to see the meteoritic decline of Australia is painful for such collectors like me, who started in the beginning of the 1980ies; dear grandchildren, believe it or not, once upon the time, Australia was together with the USA the most important meteorite country of the whole wide world. But then SOMETHING horrible happened! All know about, but they are bound by a curse! The first man or woman in that land, who will name that SOMETHING, will find a Martian meteorite! So we never will get to know, what that SOMETHING was! Also some Australian scientists seem to suffer, I don't have it at hand, but one of them made a proposal for some new meteorite laws in Australia, it's somewhere on internet. So there are still some people of good reason to be found there and maybe not all is lost. Hope dies last. A small step for B. - a giant leap for Australia! And it doesn't cost a thing. (On contrary). Go West, meanwhile! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von cdtuc...@cox.net Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. April 2010 00:09 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Yinan Wang Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' After a quick Google and Looking at all of the definitions of what a meteorite is. None of them say when. I think it's safe to say that the WA government has it planned this way and will eventually claim all Lunars as WA property.. As they will argue that the Moon was formed by a collision with Earth's WA region and bounced off. So, by WA law the moon is a meteorite and belongs to them. They will further argue that Earth itself was formed by meteorite collisions 4.6 billion years ago so WA also owns all of the Earth as well as it is just an older meteorite. Thank GOD for lawyers. WA was afraid they were going to miss out on something. sorry but this also makes the Moon a terran (Earth) meteorite doesn't it? -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com wrote: Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of The State. So if a meteoroid embeds itself into your car, or you catch it before it hits the ground (ya, improbable as it seems), or if bounces off a cow and you catch it, does it belong to you now since it did not become a meteorite? - YvW On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Any lawyer could argue his way out of this dilema with one simple slip. The meteorite, while falling, is a meteoroid, not a meteorite, hence it is under God's jurisdiction. You, your car, your house, your dead dog (or cow) are not the Earth. The meteorite only becomes a meteorite when it touches the Earth, after killing you, perforating your car, smashing your house, or killing your dog. Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of The State. No harm, no fault. Hand it over, please. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' Interesting thought Martin... I wonder what their position would be regarding a meteorite (that belonged to the state) hitting and injuring/killing somebody? Graham, UK Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: A lot of people find slag out of
Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
Stering, You wrote: In this reality, the State is usually successful in asserting whatever they wish to assert. Yup, that's pretty much the way it is, Sterling. Greg From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: veom...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:26:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' Well, if The State had used the touched the Earth argument to weasel out of State liability but still claim the stone, yes, you could counter- claim ownership if you caught it before it landed. But you'd have to be careful to never drop it outdoors, because at that moment, it would become the property of The State! Back in the real world, meteorite laws are few and vague and meteorite court cases are scarce indeed. In this reality, the State is usually successful in asserting whatever they wish to assert. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not meteorite' Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of The State. So if a meteoroid embeds itself into your car, or you catch it before it hits the ground (ya, improbable as it seems), or if bounces off a cow and you catch it, does it belong to you now since it did not become a meteorite? - YvW On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Any lawyer could argue his way out of this dilema with one simple slip. The meteorite, while falling, is a meteoroid, not a meteorite, hence it is under God's jurisdiction. You, your car, your house, your dead dog (or cow) are not the Earth. The meteorite only becomes a meteorite when it touches the Earth, after killing you, perforating your car, smashing your house, or killing your dog. Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of The State. No harm, no fault. Hand it over, please. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' Interesting thought Martin... I wonder what their position would be regarding a meteorite (that belonged to the state) hitting and injuring/killing somebody? Graham, UK Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are meteorites as well, they kind of look the same. Because those people finding real meteorites, lunars and Martians aren't coming to Australia. :-( Why? Because: if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government. Other question, would WA Government have paid the fixing of the roof, if it would have been a meteorite? I mean, then the damage would have caused by a property of the state, wouldn't it? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Kuyken Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2010 16:35 An: meteorite list Betreff: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not meteorite' http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/museum-investigates-meteori te-claims/story-e6frg1ac-1225837470139 Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' SCIENTISTS investigating claims a meteor fragment the size of a cricket ball collided into a WA house have confirmed it was almost certainly a rock. The object hit the roof of the home about 4pm on Thursday in the north-eastern Perth suburb of Beechboro. A female occupant thought it was a meteor. The WA Museum today said the object may have fallen from a plane lowering its landing gear. The museum's head of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Dr Alex Bevan, yesterday inspected the object, which he did not suspect was from outer space. Alex did have a look at some photos of the object, but when he did look at it in person, he did not think it was from a meteorite, a museum spokesperson said. Sometimes rocks get caught in the wheels of planes and as they are lowering their gear they may fall, we just don't know. Perth Observatory said it had received a couple of reports on Thursday night from people phoning to say they had seen a light in the sky. At this stage no one seems to be able to put it all together, but if it was a meteor it belongs to the WA Government, observatory astronomer Ralph Martyn said. The reports at this stage are very
Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
Yes - and we could make very large impenetrable meteor Nets, to catch the meteors before they touch the ground. Greg S. From: meteorh...@aol.com Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:38:59 -0400 To: veom...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' In a message dated 4/13/2010 4:29:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veom...@gmail.com writes: Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of The State. So if a meteoroid embeds itself into your car, or you catch it before it hits the ground (ya, improbable as it seems), or if bounces off a cow and you catch it, does it belong to you now since it did not become a meteorite? - YvW *** Veomega, As I understand, the St. Louis meteorite hit a car and stayed in it while it was being driven down a city street. On an aside, I don't think the City of St. Louis asserted any claim that it was their property. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello everybody, And mostly, those of you who have been trying to get hold of Blaine, Blaine's mother died last night after a long battle with cancer. Blaine had been driving back and forth over the mountains from Delta to Denver every few days. Now he will be busy a while longer with funeral arrangements and family matters, so he has asked me to tell you all to please be patient, he will get back to work soon, and answer your messages. But it might be a while, at least a week or so. Thank you for your patience. And I already told him that the Meteorite Community sympathizes, and I expressed all our condoleances. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD- super oriented Sikhote Alins and beautifully crusted Millbillillie, Shallowater, Fisher
Greetings My site is updated with some incredibly oriented Sikhote-Alin specimens. Be sure to check out the 11.2 gram Mop Top piece (now owned by M. Blood). How about a super nice 150 gram complete Millbillillie, with glossy black fusion crust and neat shape. 1.5 gram fragment of Fisher, Minnesota and a 0.85 gram thin slice of Shallowater, an aubrite from Texas! Web address: http://www.mhmeteorites.com And Wire Saw slicing available from http://www.kerfindustries.com Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Moon - One Titanic Tektite?
Hi Listees, I don't know if this thought has ever come up before in this way, but Isn't the moon, by definition, one gigantic tektite since it was spalled off from the Earth during a catastrophic meteorite impact? If so, then every lunar meteorite is also a tektite.of sorts. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Moon - One Titanic Tektite?
Mike and list An interesting thought, but the moon is not made of glass so it would have to be one giant impact spherule! Also it hasn't landed back on Earth yet! It can't be an -ite. It was pointed out to me that you have Meteorites and Meteors. But in the tektite world we only have Tektites, no Tekteors - just as well we haven't witnessed any genuine tektite falls (don't believe everything you read) or we wouldn't know what to call the falling body! Aubrey www.tektites.co.uk --- On Wed, 14/4/10, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] The Moon - One Titanic Tektite? To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, 14 April, 2010, 4:14 Hi Listees, I don't know if this thought has ever come up before in this way, but Isn't the moon, by definition, one gigantic tektite since it was spalled off from the Earth during a catastrophic meteorite impact? If so, then every lunar meteorite is also a tektite.of sorts. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] $1 Million Dream Meteorite Collection
Hi listees and meteorite addicts, A $1 Million Dollar challenge. Scenario: You're a wealthy collector and have an extra $1 Million to spend on your meteorite collection. What do you buy? Have fun... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Moon - One Titanic Tektite?
A tektite is GLASS, not rock. The Moon is ROCK, not glass. I just ruined my reputation for writing long- winded posts. Oh, wait, I don't want to do that. Glass is molten (or vaporized) rock that cools too quickly to reform in a crystal mineral structure. Glass has been classified as an amorphous liquid by most. Since a relatively rapid cooling is required to make a glass, there is an upper limit to the size of a melt. A large body, astronomically large, could never cool that quickly. You could get a very odd rock body with a glass crust, quite unlike the Moon. Actual tektites have extremely high silica (silicon dioxide) content; the Moon does not (by comparison to tektites). The elemental bulk compositions of the Moon and of tektites is quite different. The elemental bulk compositions of tektites vaguely matches a few terrestrial soils if you allow for a lot of differential loss by volatilization of some of the elements. Turning a rock or soil or sand into a glass effectively erases a great deal of information about the source material, which is why people have been arguing about tektites for 220 years and it shows little sign of stopping. And my last argument: if the Moon was a tektite, it would be for sale on eBay, probably for its mystic properties. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Moon - One Titanic Tektite? Hi Listees, I don't know if this thought has ever come up before in this way, but Isn't the moon, by definition, one gigantic tektite since it was spalled off from the Earth during a catastrophic meteorite impact? If so, then every lunar meteorite is also a tektite.of sorts. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] $1 Million Dream Meteorite Collection
I would only want a sample of a certain ALH martian that I heard something about some time ago on TV by some guy named Bill. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:12:47 To: Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] $1 Million Dream Meteorite Collection Hi listees and meteorite addicts, A $1 Million Dollar challenge. Scenario: You're a wealthy collector and have an extra $1 Million to spend on your meteorite collection. What do you buy? Have fun... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] $1 Million Dream Meteorite Collection
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:12:47 -0700, you wrote: Scenario: You're a wealthy collector and have an extra $1 Million to spend on your meteorite collection. What do you buy? I try to get my hands on that giant lunar slice in the steampunk porthole that the Hupes had made. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Campo del Cielo
Hello; I am trying to help a lady who had gotten our number and called us about three Campo meteorites that she has. We have not seen these meteorites, but she does have pictures available of them and is needing to sell them. Here is her information: Debra Poncin debilee...@gmail.com 760-500-1966 She seems like a really nice lady who is struggling like the rest of us, so if anyone is interested, just contact her directly. Thanks Dana KD Meteorites kdmeteorites.com admiremeteorites.com Keith and Dana Jenkerson 4596 N. Vickie Lane Kingman, AZ., 86409 928-399-0140 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Looking for a MAPS article
If anyone has a digital copy of this article or a spare paper copy I would be in your debt The Benguerir meteorite: Report and description of a new Moroccan fall Authors: Chennaoui Aoudjehane, Hasnaa; Jambon, Albert; Bourot Denise, Michèle; Rochette, Pierre Source: Meteoritics Planetary Science, Volume 41, Supplement 1, Pages 5-246 (August 2006) , pp. 231-237 Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] $1 Million Dream Meteorite Collection
Nice big slice of NWA 5000 for me... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 4/13/10, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Subject: [meteorite-list] $1 Million Dream Meteorite Collection To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 9:12 PM Hi listees and meteorite addicts, A $1 Million Dollar challenge. Scenario: You're a wealthy collector and have an extra $1 Million to spend on your meteorite collection. What do you buy? Have fun... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
