[meteorite-list] Prospector Pool
Jeff,list Thats some good news from down under.Nice looking iron. Any pics of the precut mass? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Odd Stone
Looks like terrestrial basalt to me. Jim K In a message dated 9/17/2010 7:18:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, e...@meteoritesusa.com writes: http://www.meteoritesusa.com/odd-stone.html Opinions? Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 18, 2010
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 18, 2010
Beautiful slice. It is also interesting that NHMV's label suggests that they do not recognize Elbogen (Ca. 1400) as the oldest iron fall. Why? -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 -- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Johnson Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:48 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 18,2010 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_18_2010.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 18, 2010
Impressive slice! Very nice to see the display. Thanks for sharing the picture. Mike in CO On Sep 18, 2010, at 5:48 AM, Michael Johnson wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_18_2010.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Brix's meteorite hunting training video
Hi All, Here is a short video clip of Brix's meteorite hunting training. This is just a small part of his training, but you can see how he is progressing. I also set up a small training area in which he has to use only scent to locate the meteorite as the meteorites are hidden from view. The training is really starting to come together. Brix had the basic training down on the Mifflin, Wisconsin hunt but now he is becoming more proficient when he finds the meteorites. I have been adding more challenges to the training. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIFop8kdu-k Sonny www.nevadameteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron
Mike B. wonders: It is also interesting that NHMV's label suggests that they do not recognize Elbogen (ca. 1400) as the oldest iron fall. Why? http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_18_2010.html Hello Mike and List, They do not recognize Elbogen as the oldest iron fall because it is *not* a witnessed fall. In his trilogy, Vagn Buchwald only wrote: the exterior shape of the mass certainly suggests a well-preserved fall. ..Elbogen was probably plowed up sometime around the year 1400 and soon became associated with the simultaneous death (killing?) of one of the hated burgraves. Reference: BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Volume 2, pp. 557-560. -- Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron
Dear Bernd, Thanks for the extract. I wonder why most catalogues, Grady, MetBull, etc. still list it as a fall. Perhaps it was the story of it being chained down to prevent it from flying away the way it came. There also seems to be discrepancies in The History of Meteoritics and Key Meteorite Collections, where it is listed as both by different authors. One would think that by now the official status of such a historic piece would be sorted out. I'll have to read the old reports and see where the fall status stems from. Interesting! Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 12:09 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron Mike B. wonders: It is also interesting that NHMV's label suggests that they do not recognize Elbogen (ca. 1400) as the oldest iron fall. Why? http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_18_2010.html Hello Mike and List, They do not recognize Elbogen as the oldest iron fall because it is *not* a witnessed fall. In his trilogy, Vagn Buchwald only wrote: the exterior shape of the mass certainly suggests a well-preserved fall. ..Elbogen was probably plowed up sometime around the year 1400 and soon became associated with the simultaneous death (killing?) of one of the hated burgraves. Reference: BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Volume 2, pp. 557-560. -- Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Andre Bordeleau please contact me off-list
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[meteorite-list] Anybody selling or want to trade an Allende or Carancas?
Hey everyone? If anyone one is selling an Allende whole/slice (around 10 grams) or a Carancas fragment (bigger than 1g with crust) specimen please send me a message. I'm willing to trade as well. thanks! -- Felipe __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron
Hi Mike, Because the Brothers Grimm do have it in their folk tales collection. At their time it was kept in the local town hall. Other version report such phenoma like thunder, a pit, where it laid Main mass in Vienna: http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/WebImg/Elbogen.jpg Elbogen was also used as print plate by Widmanstaetten, when he printed firstly his Thomson structures. Elbogen: http://www.zamky-hrady.cz/2/img/loket_let.jpg Elbogen castle: http://www.kurpension-buchmann.de/Bilder/Loket_burg.jpg Here a knife, which was in the possession of Chladni, made of Elbogen. http://euromin.w3sites.net/Nouveau_site/musees/berlin/Website-dt/Elbogen.htm l Here a version of the story from Ludwig Bechstein's Book of German Tales (1852): http://www.zerda.de/der-verwuenschte-burggraf.html And here we have the long and detailed report by Neumann, 1812, who had visited that iron in 1811 and had taken samples. He writes, that Chladni visited him soon after, swapped 6 meteorites versus the iron samples and was so excited about, that he decided to travel immediately to Elbogen. http://kuerzer.de/Neumannelbogen Neumann quotes the topographer Schaller to have firstly reported that iron. (Must have been Jaroslaus Schaller, 1785). Schaller reported also, that the General Johann von Werth (1591-1652) had let the lump thrown into the well of the castle. Johann von Werth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_von_Werth For me it always will remain the first European fall :-) Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Bandli Gesendet: Samstag, 18. September 2010 22:02 An: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron Dear Bernd, Thanks for the extract. I wonder why most catalogues, Grady, MetBull, etc. still list it as a fall. Perhaps it was the story of it being chained down to prevent it from flying away the way it came. There also seems to be discrepancies in The History of Meteoritics and Key Meteorite Collections, where it is listed as both by different authors. One would think that by now the official status of such a historic piece would be sorted out. I'll have to read the old reports and see where the fall status stems from. Interesting! Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 18, 2010
Have a little bit to correct Rob's translation of the label. It reads: Oldest iron with known fall-time. From Elbogen the exact date of the fall, isn't known. In as far the label is correct, but doesn't exclude Elbogen as an observed fall :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Bandli Gesendet: Samstag, 18. September 2010 18:06 An: 'Michael Johnson'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 18, 2010 Beautiful slice. It is also interesting that NHMV's label suggests that they do not recognize Elbogen (Ca. 1400) as the oldest iron fall. Why? -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - The Elbogen Iron
Hello Mike B. and List, An interesting aside concerning the Elbogen iron in the Catalogue(s) of Meteorites: = 3rd edition, p. 148: Elbogen, Bohemia. Fell 1400 (?) = 4th edition, p. 131: Elbogen ... Fell 1400, possible date = 5th edition, p. 185: Elbogen ... Fell 1400 Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron
Hi Mike, Martin e.a., - the story of Elbogen (Loket) oscillates between fiction and historical event, fairy tale and report. That's quite fascinating. There's the tale of the cruel Count (excuse me, Guido ;-) of Elbogen who received punishment through a heavenly event: thunder, lightning, an impact, and at least, at the ground of a crater, a stone instead of the Count (who stand before at that place). Always a practical solution, as we know from the end of Don Giovanni as well :-) On the other hand in several contexts 1422 is mentioned as the year of a meteorite fall in the region of Elbogen/Loket http://cestovani.kr-karlovarsky.cz/de/pronavstevniky/Zajimavosti/Krajvbajichapovestech/Seiten/Loket.aspx - however without exact descriptions. At least I'd agree with you, Martin: Elbogen, the first European fall - not at least 'cause this mixture of fiction and reality is a quite typical European feature ... My best as ever, Matthias - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron Hi Mike, Because the Brothers Grimm do have it in their folk tales collection. At their time it was kept in the local town hall. Other version report such phenoma like thunder, a pit, where it laid Main mass in Vienna: http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/WebImg/Elbogen.jpg Elbogen was also used as print plate by Widmanstaetten, when he printed firstly his Thomson structures. Elbogen: http://www.zamky-hrady.cz/2/img/loket_let.jpg Elbogen castle: http://www.kurpension-buchmann.de/Bilder/Loket_burg.jpg Here a knife, which was in the possession of Chladni, made of Elbogen. http://euromin.w3sites.net/Nouveau_site/musees/berlin/Website-dt/Elbogen.htm l Here a version of the story from Ludwig Bechstein's Book of German Tales (1852): http://www.zerda.de/der-verwuenschte-burggraf.html And here we have the long and detailed report by Neumann, 1812, who had visited that iron in 1811 and had taken samples. He writes, that Chladni visited him soon after, swapped 6 meteorites versus the iron samples and was so excited about, that he decided to travel immediately to Elbogen. http://kuerzer.de/Neumannelbogen Neumann quotes the topographer Schaller to have firstly reported that iron. (Must have been Jaroslaus Schaller, 1785). Schaller reported also, that the General Johann von Werth (1591-1652) had let the lump thrown into the well of the castle. Johann von Werth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_von_Werth For me it always will remain the first European fall :-) Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Bandli Gesendet: Samstag, 18. September 2010 22:02 An: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron Dear Bernd, Thanks for the extract. I wonder why most catalogues, Grady, MetBull, etc. still list it as a fall. Perhaps it was the story of it being chained down to prevent it from flying away the way it came. There also seems to be discrepancies in The History of Meteoritics and Key Meteorite Collections, where it is listed as both by different authors. One would think that by now the official status of such a historic piece would be sorted out. I'll have to read the old reports and see where the fall status stems from. Interesting! Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron
No offense taken..Martin :0) Guido -Original Message- From: Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de Sent: Sep 18, 2010 3:29 PM To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron Hi Mike, Martin e.a., - the story of Elbogen (Loket) oscillates between fiction and historical event, fairy tale and report. That's quite fascinating. There's the tale of the cruel Count (excuse me, Guido ;-) of Elbogen who received punishment through a heavenly event: thunder, lightning, an impact, and at least, at the ground of a crater, a stone instead of the Count (who stand before at that place). Always a practical solution, as we know from the end of Don Giovanni as well :-) On the other hand in several contexts 1422 is mentioned as the year of a meteorite fall in the region of Elbogen/Loket http://cestovani.kr-karlovarsky.cz/de/pronavstevniky/Zajimavosti/Krajvbajichapovestech/Seiten/Loket.aspx - however without exact descriptions. At least I'd agree with you, Martin: Elbogen, the first European fall - not at least 'cause this mixture of fiction and reality is a quite typical European feature ... My best as ever, Matthias - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron Hi Mike, Because the Brothers Grimm do have it in their folk tales collection. At their time it was kept in the local town hall. Other version report such phenoma like thunder, a pit, where it laid Main mass in Vienna: http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/WebImg/Elbogen.jpg Elbogen was also used as print plate by Widmanstaetten, when he printed firstly his Thomson structures. Elbogen: http://www.zamky-hrady.cz/2/img/loket_let.jpg Elbogen castle: http://www.kurpension-buchmann.de/Bilder/Loket_burg.jpg Here a knife, which was in the possession of Chladni, made of Elbogen. http://euromin.w3sites.net/Nouveau_site/musees/berlin/Website-dt/Elbogen.htm l Here a version of the story from Ludwig Bechstein's Book of German Tales (1852): http://www.zerda.de/der-verwuenschte-burggraf.html And here we have the long and detailed report by Neumann, 1812, who had visited that iron in 1811 and had taken samples. He writes, that Chladni visited him soon after, swapped 6 meteorites versus the iron samples and was so excited about, that he decided to travel immediately to Elbogen. http://kuerzer.de/Neumannelbogen Neumann quotes the topographer Schaller to have firstly reported that iron. (Must have been Jaroslaus Schaller, 1785). Schaller reported also, that the General Johann von Werth (1591-1652) had let the lump thrown into the well of the castle. Johann von Werth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_von_Werth For me it always will remain the first European fall :-) Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Bandli Gesendet: Samstag, 18. September 2010 22:02 An: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron Dear Bernd, Thanks for the extract. I wonder why most catalogues, Grady, MetBull, etc. still list it as a fall. Perhaps it was the story of it being chained down to prevent it from flying away the way it came. There also seems to be discrepancies in The History of Meteoritics and Key Meteorite Collections, where it is listed as both by different authors. One would think that by now the official status of such a historic piece would be sorted out. I'll have to read the old reports and see where the fall status stems from. Interesting! Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteoroid entry angle
Hi All, Playing message catch-up after 10 days' vacation/biz trip in Maui. Saw John's message below, and thought I'd make a small correction to a common misconception about meteoroid entry angles. Gilbert and Barringer both realized that 45 degree impacts are the most probable trajectories for meteoritic material. I find many people make this mistake in solving all kinds of problems that depend on spherical geometry. In *two* dimensions, if the range of possible angles is from 0 to 90 degrees, and the angle is uniformly random, then the mean angle is of course 45 degrees: the midpoint of the uniform distribution. In three dimensions, this is no longer true. If you look at a globe, it is easy to see why. Compare the surface area of the earth from the equator up to 45 degrees north latitude with the surface area from 45 N up to the North Pole. The latter is a much smaller area. In fact, for a sphere, the surface area from the equator up to *30* degrees north latitude is the same as the area from 30N to 90N. Similarly, the average entry angle for a meteoroid coming from a uniformly random direction is 30 degrees from horizontal. That said, the entry angle distribution is not quite uniformly random because earth's gravity bends all trajectories slightly toward the center of the earth. This has the effect of making all entry angles a little bit steeper than they would be if gravity didn't play a part. Bottom line is that the average entry angle for a meteoroid is a little bit more than 30 degrees, but definitely not as much as 45 degrees. To answer Eric's question below about what's considered shallow vs. steep, I consider any entry angle less than 20 deg to be shallow, anything greater than 40 deg to be steep, and anything from 20-40 (which is about 30% of all meteoroids) to be average. --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]on Behalf Of Kashuba Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 8:06 AM To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Crater Shape and Entry Angle Eric, Bernd, Sterling, List, David Kring of LPL put together a great guidebook for the 2007 MetSoc tour of the crater (150 pages). He is Gene Shoemakers successor as advisor to the Barringer family. He and family members lead the tour. Carolyn Shoemaker was there too. Chapter 9. Trajectory begins and ends thusly: The trajectory of the impacting asteroid is another issue of considerable debate and still unresolved. Historically, circular plan views of impact craters confounded many investigators who assumed a circular crater requires a vertical impact. They wondered why more craters are not elliptical. Gilbert and Barringer both realized that 45 degree impacts are the most probable trajectories for meteoritic material. Yet Gilbert, like many of his contemporaries, mistakenly thought a 45 degree impact produces an oval crater (Hoyt, 1987). Barringer, on the other hand, realized that a 45 degree impact will produce a round crater (Hoyt, 1987). Despite this insight, Barringer, like Gilbert, initially assumed that the northern Arizona impact had been vertical or nearly vertical and that the asteroid was buried beneath the center of the crater floor. When extensive drilling did not locate a main mass beneath the crater floor and instead only produced traces of the projectile, Barringer began to consider other options. He had already noted several features that seem to have a directional symmetry. - snip - More recently, techniques similar to those of Sutton were applied by Holliday et al. (2005) to the Odessa impact site. They estimated the Odessa craters were produced approximately 63,000 years ago. Although the ages of Barringer and Odessa craters are still not precisely known, these approximate ages suggest Odessa formed earlier, with the caveat that the Barringer crater may be older than 49,000 yrs. (See discussion in Chapter 11). Thus, the two impact events may not be directly related and may not have any bearing on the issue of trajectory. Nonetheless, several other potential indicators of trajectory survive (and even the Odessa connection might be revived). Unfortunately, these indicators cannot be reconciled at the present time and I think it fair to conclude that the trajectory of the impacting asteroid that produced Barringer Crater remains uncertain. Chapter 9: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications/books/barringer_crater_guidebook/chapte r_9.pdf Whole guidebook: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications/books/barringer_crater_guidebook/index. shtml Regards, - John Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 3:26 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor Crater Shape and
[meteorite-list] AD - Someone's Gonna Catch a Deal
Hello all Spending the day saying goodbye to Vendio as my auction manager and learning the ropes with Turbo Lister from eBay. First auction is up and she's priced to sell http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=280563997766 Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoroid entry angle
Hi Rob, Thanks for the easily-digested explanation of entry angles. That gives me a great picture in my head of the angles these objects current enter our atmosphere (and progress through). Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 9/18/10, Rob Matson mojave_meteori...@cox.net wrote: Hi All, Playing message catch-up after 10 days' vacation/biz trip in Maui. Saw John's message below, and thought I'd make a small correction to a common misconception about meteoroid entry angles. Gilbert and Barringer both realized that 45 degree impacts are the most probable trajectories for meteoritic material. I find many people make this mistake in solving all kinds of problems that depend on spherical geometry. In *two* dimensions, if the range of possible angles is from 0 to 90 degrees, and the angle is uniformly random, then the mean angle is of course 45 degrees: the midpoint of the uniform distribution. In three dimensions, this is no longer true. If you look at a globe, it is easy to see why. Compare the surface area of the earth from the equator up to 45 degrees north latitude with the surface area from 45 N up to the North Pole. The latter is a much smaller area. In fact, for a sphere, the surface area from the equator up to *30* degrees north latitude is the same as the area from 30N to 90N. Similarly, the average entry angle for a meteoroid coming from a uniformly random direction is 30 degrees from horizontal. That said, the entry angle distribution is not quite uniformly random because earth's gravity bends all trajectories slightly toward the center of the earth. This has the effect of making all entry angles a little bit steeper than they would be if gravity didn't play a part. Bottom line is that the average entry angle for a meteoroid is a little bit more than 30 degrees, but definitely not as much as 45 degrees. To answer Eric's question below about what's considered shallow vs. steep, I consider any entry angle less than 20 deg to be shallow, anything greater than 40 deg to be steep, and anything from 20-40 (which is about 30% of all meteoroids) to be average. --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]on Behalf Of Kashuba Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 8:06 AM To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Crater Shape and Entry Angle Eric, Bernd, Sterling, List, David Kring of LPL put together a great guidebook for the 2007 MetSoc tour of the crater (150 pages). He is Gene Shoemakers successor as advisor to the Barringer family. He and family members lead the tour. Carolyn Shoemaker was there too. Chapter 9. Trajectory begins and ends thusly: The trajectory of the impacting asteroid is another issue of considerable debate and still unresolved. Historically, circular plan views of impact craters confounded many investigators who assumed a circular crater requires a vertical impact. They wondered why more craters are not elliptical. Gilbert and Barringer both realized that 45 degree impacts are the most probable trajectories for meteoritic material. Yet Gilbert, like many of his contemporaries, mistakenly thought a 45 degree impact produces an oval crater (Hoyt, 1987). Barringer, on the other hand, realized that a 45 degree impact will produce a round crater (Hoyt, 1987). Despite this insight, Barringer, like Gilbert, initially assumed that the northern Arizona impact had been vertical or nearly vertical and that the asteroid was buried beneath the center of the crater floor. When extensive drilling did not locate a main mass beneath the crater floor and instead only produced traces of the projectile, Barringer began to consider other options. He had already noted several features that seem to have a directional symmetry. - snip - More recently, techniques similar to those of Sutton were applied by Holliday et al. (2005) to the Odessa impact site. They estimated the Odessa craters were produced approximately 63,000 years ago. Although the ages of Barringer and Odessa craters are still not precisely known, these approximate ages suggest Odessa formed earlier, with the caveat that the Barringer crater may be older than 49,000 yrs. (See discussion in Chapter 11). Thus, the two impact events may not be directly related and may not have any bearing on the issue of trajectory. Nonetheless, several other potential indicators of
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Someone's Gonna Catch a Deal
Hi Rob and List, WOW. That is a killer deal on a killer specimen. If that lasts another hour, I will be surprised. If I had the cash, it would be gone. So who is gonna pull the trigger on that bad boy? Best regards, MikeG -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 9/18/10, Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net wrote: Hello all Spending the day saying goodbye to Vendio as my auction manager and learning the ropes with Turbo Lister from eBay. First auction is up and she's priced to sell http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=280563997766 Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD-thumprinted chondrite
Hi to all i hope everyone doing well . I have nice oriented chondrite 1600 gr with verry nice thumbprinted for sale . if interested feel free to contact me offlist. for pictures and price best regards Mezgouri Fayssal cell +212668693856 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
