[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay, CR2, Unusual EUC, Type3's ! Ending today!
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?rt=ncLH_Auction=1_ipg=25_ssn=gipometeorites_trksid=p3911.c0.m301 Many thanks for viewing! Best greetings, Carsten -- Carsten Giessler Gipometeorites - www.gi-po.de - email: c-giess...@gi-po.de Member of the Meteoritical Society International Society for Meteoritics and Planetary Science IMCA Member:3457 International Meteorite Collectors Association __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Featured Meteorite Gallery Photos
There are still some spaces open for upcoming future issues of the magazine. I'm looking for spectacular museum quality meteorite specimens. Stones, irons, and stony irons. Ordinary chondrites welcome... ;) Lunars, Martians, Brachinites, Shergottites, or any rare type. Slices, whole stones, and display pieces. This is EYE CANDY for the meteorite addict! If you haven't seen the featured meteorite gallery, perhaps you should take a look on pages 20-21 at the full color 2 page spread. http://www.mhcmagazine.com/current-issue/july-2010/ (note: you must be logged into the site to view the gallery) There's also spaces available for upcoming issues for full color 2 page spreads as seen on pages 10-11 too. This is an exquisite Mifflin meteorite found by Sonny Clary, and photographed by Arlene Schlazer. The detail in this photo cannot be more perfect. Black on black, the crisp, clean and velvety black fusion crust POPS against the pure black background. A phenomenal image. This is the kind of meteorite photos that are worthy of 2 page spreads and that people can't get enough of. If you have one, or multiple, and would like to see your photo(s) in the magazine send them to me via email and I'll add them to the mix for possible inclusion in a future issue. Thanks for the interest and participation! Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorite Hunting Collecting Magazine http://www.mhcmagazine.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Gebel Kamil meteorite with Schlering bands, what do they look like?
Hi Tim and List, i only wonder about this photo. Schlieren bands can be seen only after etching. But the slice on your photo is not etched. I think the slice is polished to a mirror and now the clouds in the sky are reflected in it. Thats are Schlieren bands in slices of Gebel Kamil: http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/images/gebelkamil16.7g.jpg Best regards Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) --- Tim Heitz midwestmet...@earthlink.net schrieb am So, 3.10.2010: Von: Tim Heitz midwestmet...@earthlink.net Betreff: [meteorite-list] New Gebel Kamil meteorite with Schlering bands, what do they look like? An: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Sonntag, 3. Oktober, 2010 03:47 Uhr Hello List, This is a slice of the New Gebel Kamil meteorite from Egypt, it is an Ataxite and it is ungrouped which makes it unique and is one of a kind in composition http://www.meteorman.org/Gebel-Kamil-slice-77g-640.jpg Could someone tell me what are Schlering bands, are those Schlering bands in the picture?? I did a Google search, but didn't find any information about Schlering Bands. Tim Heitz MIDWEST METEORITES http://www.meteorman.org 314-596-1435 Member IMCA-4781 International Meteorite Collectors Association __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ultraviolet Space Rocks
Hi Laurence Garvie, Thanks for filling-in some of the missing pieces of the minor puzzle concerning your fascinating Rocks from Space Picture dated September 29, 2009. Trace amounts of manganese (Mn) may certainly play a contributing if not dominant role in explain the yellow colored fluorescence, as I understand these things. That may not be, however, the entire story. According to author Manual Robbins (FLUORESCENCE: Gems and Minerals Under Ultraviolet light, 1994, Geoscience Press, Inc., Phoenix, Arizona), there may be some sort of structural defect within the crystal structure, itself, which may and can play a role in contributing to the fluorescence, also. Wollastonite, from Franklin, New Jersey, fluoresces a brilliant yellow color due to trace amounts of Mn, less than 0.1 percent. Lead, also, may act as a co-activator in the wollasonite helping to provide absorption of ultraviolet, according to Robbins. Concerning your picture, again, for a moment. I'm curious if you exposed your space rock to the two other main wavelengths of ultraviolet, UVB, or medium wave at 315nm-280nm, or UVC shortwave at 280nm-100nm? Still scratching my noggin over those secondary blue/green UV colors that appear in your fascinating picture. Any additional thoughts that might help explain that apparent UV color phenomena? Thanks for your time. Dave Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (AD) auction update
Hi again list. I have gotten a few emails stating in my ebay auctions that I do not ship anywhere else but the usa. I DO SHIP WORLDWIDE. Just to clear up any misunderstanding. And free shipping. Steve R.Arnold, Chicago! http://Chicagometeorites.com/ ebay:Illinoismeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Amateur Meteoriticists?
Hi Richard, I was thinking more to the aspect, in your originally posting, how amateurs would collaborate with scientists and what their contribution to meteorite science is. Hence not so what they achieve in the academic apparatus, in sense of publications and working in mineralogy, petrology ect. - as meteoricists. But there also are some too. If you take the early Omani years, several of those, especially the pioneers, who hunted there and led teams, were trained geologists, (even some working at a leading meteorite institute) and although the background of their expeditions was a commercial one, they collected data and did a field work, where the quality had no difference to that done by meteoricists, also resulting in various publications. Others, you heard it here on the list, are working several years on a single strewnfield. The same you observe here and there with new falls. Also resulting in publications, where the field work, the strewnfield mapping, the reconstruction of the track, the cataloguing of the finds ect. is done by non-meteoricists. Santa Vitoria, Bassikounou, Santa Lucia - with Sulagiri it was tried too, but hindered by the local authorities - there it is relatively otiose to discuss about the quality of the results, because in most cases, there are no meteoricists on the scene, who would do this work and nobody else caring for the new fall than amateurs. Others again, also a kind of research, investigate historic falls/strewnfields in literature and with interviews at the locals - and find then still more samples in the field, sometimes new main masses. (Mounionalusta, Brenham, Seymchan, Brahin, Pallasovka, Pultusk, Kainsaz, Vengerovo, Chiang Khan to name a few). Others again try to narrow down a possible strewnfield with the help of fireball reports, eye-earwitnesses, accidental recordings of cameras and data retrieved from observing networks, some of them being able by their professional background to do non-trivial calculations - that was, how e.g. the recent European falls of Puerto Lápice and Maribo were recovered. Or remember how the main mass of the Neuschwanstein was found. There a non-meteoricist took the known data from the fireball network, but changed the supposed parameters of the initial mass, did new calculations and aerodynamic modeling and calculated and predicted, that a mass shall have felt outside the predicted strewnfield - and found it in the end! Here in Germany some amateurs installed automatic meteor cameras on their roofs, which in case can supply important data. And the stations of the oldest intact fireball camera network of da world are run an maintained solely by amateurs. Well, certainly the amateurs don't do the mineralogy, chemistry, planetology - they are not trained in that, neither do they have the access to the sophisticated equipment necessary for that. And I don't know, sometimes I feel not so well, if they are animated to do simple tests by their own. E.g. the imagination, that someone could throw a pristine new fall into a beaker with water, to determine the volume for the density, is a somewhat horrible one, isn't it? Well, so to compare it with the amateur astronomers, like the minor planet observers, comet-hunters ect. Those gather important data for science. Meteorite amateurs gather often data and they gather the most important of all, the hand-tight objects of research, this branch of science is all about: the meteorites. And that is not to be underestimated. Not only in former centuries most of the meteorites were recovered by amateurs, but with our desert-decades, but also with the development of the amateur scene in other countries like USA and Europe, you can see it from the bulletins, that these finds produced by amateurs got ahead quite a while ago of those meteorites found by meteoricists, like in Antarctica or Oman - especially regarding the scientifically most interesting and important new finds, the exotics, the rare types and the totally new materials. That's naturally, cause for getting something like this, because of the unbelievable rareness, you simply have statistically to find a large number of more ordinary meteorites, until such an exorbitant one, will be among them. And as well as the scientific publications are concerned. Antarctica ect. had a 20years head start, meanwhile, I never checked it, it could well be, that the number of published papers based on analyses of finds of amateurs, outmatches the number of papers about the Antarctic finds - and if it's not yet the case, soon it will. So I think, that is the most important contribution to meteoritics of the non-meteoricists. Also with very hands-on, if not to say trivial, advantages, which sometimes are forgotten. On the one hand due to the regulations of the classification process, a share of the amateurish finds lands on the desk of the meteoricists at no costs, but on the other hand also with the commercially traded meteorites - the costs
[meteorite-list] Schlieren bands and Schreibersites
Hi Mirko List, It shows a strange etch pattern called Schlieren bands , I think it also shows brittle and silvery (Schreibersites) as seen in this slice as small needles, perhaps thats the specks seen in the etched piece. But to see the Schlieren bands it must be etched, OK Thanks Mirko, Tim - Original Message - From: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Tim Heitz midwestmet...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] New Gebel Kamil meteorite with Schlering bands, what do they look like? Hi Tim and List, i only wonder about this photo. Schlieren bands can be seen only after etching. But the slice on your photo is not etched. I think the slice is polished to a mirror and now the clouds in the sky are reflected in it. Thats are Schlieren bands in slices of Gebel Kamil: http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/images/gebelkamil16.7g.jpg Best regards Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) --- Tim Heitz midwestmet...@earthlink.net schrieb am So, 3.10.2010: Von: Tim Heitz midwestmet...@earthlink.net Betreff: [meteorite-list] New Gebel Kamil meteorite with Schlering bands, what do they look like? An: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Sonntag, 3. Oktober, 2010 03:47 Uhr Hello List, This is a slice of the New Gebel Kamil meteorite from Egypt, it is an Ataxite and it is ungrouped which makes it unique and is one of a kind in composition http://www.meteorman.org/Gebel-Kamil-slice-77g-640.jpg Could someone tell me what are Schlering bands, are those Schlering bands in the picture?? I did a Google search, but didn't find any information about Schlering Bands. Tim Heitz MIDWEST METEORITES http://www.meteorman.org 314-596-1435 Member IMCA-4781 International Meteorite Collectors Association __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mass Extinction, Iridium Anomalies, and Cretaceous-Paleogene Boundary in New Jersey
Miller, K. G., R. M. Sherrell, J. V. Browning, M.P. Field, W. Gallagher, R. K. Olsson, P. J. Sugarman, S. Tuorto, and h. Wahyudi, 2010, Relationship between mass extinction and iridium across the Cretaceous-Paleogene boundary in New Jersey. Geology. vol. 38, no. 10, pp. 867-870. http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/38/10/867 http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/38/10/867.abstract Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Professionals Wanted
Hi All, As a newbie collector of celestial materials (mostly meteorites) I am looking to purchase representative samples of different types and classes of meteorites. Size doesn't matter, so much, as my collection is developing along the classic line with small sized specimens. Generally speaking, smaller samples are preferred because of the cost factor. All acquired meteorite samples are being fully examined and measured for precise specific gravity values and ultraviolet fluorescent color evaluation in shortwave UV, midwave UV longwave UV. There may be other physical testing arenas, as well. Any dealers who are true professionals are invited to provide marketing web site addresses. I do not desire and will not tolerate any spamming of my email mailbox. All interested professional meteorite dealers are more than welcome to invite and have me purchase from their inventory. Please drop me an enote if you want to be added to my go to list of professional meteorite dealers, the only ones I will be buying from. Professionals grade, only. Thank you. Dave Gunning davidgunn...@fairpoint.net __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Gebel Kamil meteorite with Schlieren bands
Hello Tim, Mirko, and List, As Mirko already pointed out, the schlieren banding will only be seen after etching (at least slight etching or deep-etch if you prefer that). Only then will you see these characteristic diffuse streaks (usually of group IVB ataxites - another reason why Gebel Kamil is classified as ungrouped). The image that Mirko provided and one of my slices (from Mirko) clearly reveal those bands and patches dovetailed into each other and tapering out irregularly. Now, when you tilt such polished and etched slices against a light source, you will notice that bright and matte parts shift alternatingly: the bands that were bright from one perspective, now appear dull and vice versa. This oriented sheen has to do with the alpha + gamma structure, cooling, decomposition, (absence of) diffusion, crystallographic orientation, etc. .. too complicated (for me :-) to explain. Best Schlieren wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Book of of the Stone by Matthias Barmann
List, Matthias Barmann, a Lister known to many of us, has written and compiled the most beautiful book of prose, poetry and reflection on stones I have ever laid my eyes on. The Book of the Stone (2003 Jung Jung). It's full of the thoughts of others written or expressed in various forms over the past five thousand years on the existence and importance of stones to the physical, metaphysical and emotional feelings of man. It's presentations make for an easy mental segue from stone to meteorite. An excerpt: Steine sind stumme Lehrer; sie machen den Beobachter stumm, und das Beste, was man von ihnen lernt, ist nicht mitzuteilen. Goethe Stones are mute teachers, they make the observer mute, and the most important thing man learns from them, stays within him. Quoted from Goethe in the Book of the Stone by Martin Barmann. (Attempt at interpretive translation by Count Deiro) Many of our friends on List understand German and this diminutive book is written in that language. I would love to see it published in English. But, for now, I wanted to bring it to the attention of those on List who can read it and encourage them to obtain a copy. No one afflicted with our obsession with the stone can escape the peaceful contemplation that comes with reading it. Thank you, Matthias Guido __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Amateur Meteoriticists?
--- On Sun, 10/3/10, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Hi Richard, I was thinking more to the aspect, in your originally posting, how amateurs would collaborate with scientists and what their contribution to meteorite science is. Hence not so what they achieve in the academic apparatus, in sense of publications and working in mineralogy, petrology ect. - as meteoricists. [Detailed response snipped] Thanks you Martin for your excellent response. As I mentioned in my previous post, I do not want to denigrate the efforts of hunters and your post gives me much to consider. As you mention in your first paragraph, my original intent was to understand a little more about how amateurs can and do contribute to the science and what collaborations with the professional community can be or are available to the amateur. I apologize that I myself got a little sidetracked by the questions of what makes an amateur or a professional. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Gebel Kamil meteorite with Schlieren bands
Hello Bernd, Thanks for the nice explanation. The schlieren banding will only be seen after etching, I got it Tim - Original Message - From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:47 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Gebel Kamil meteorite with Schlieren bands Hello Tim, Mirko, and List, As Mirko already pointed out, the schlieren banding will only be seen after etching (at least slight etching or deep-etch if you prefer that). Only then will you see these characteristic diffuse streaks (usually of group IVB ataxites - another reason why Gebel Kamil is classified as ungrouped). The image that Mirko provided and one of my slices (from Mirko) clearly reveal those bands and patches dovetailed into each other and tapering out irregularly. Now, when you tilt such polished and etched slices against a light source, you will notice that bright and matte parts shift alternatingly: the bands that were bright from one perspective, now appear dull and vice versa. This oriented sheen has to do with the alpha + gamma structure, cooling, decomposition, (absence of) diffusion, crystallographic orientation, etc. .. too complicated (for me :-) to explain. Best Schlieren wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Book of of the Stone by Matthias Barmann
Very kind, Guido, thank you - Matthias - Original Message - From: countde...@earthlink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 9:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Book of of the Stone by Matthias Barmann List, Matthias Barmann, a Lister known to many of us, has written and compiled the most beautiful book of prose, poetry and reflection on stones I have ever laid my eyes on. The Book of the Stone (2003 Jung Jung). It's full of the thoughts of others written or expressed in various forms over the past five thousand years on the existence and importance of stones to the physical, metaphysical and emotional feelings of man. It's presentations make for an easy mental segue from stone to meteorite. An excerpt: Steine sind stumme Lehrer; sie machen den Beobachter stumm, und das Beste, was man von ihnen lernt, ist nicht mitzuteilen. Goethe Stones are mute teachers, they make the observer mute, and the most important thing man learns from them, stays within him. Quoted from Goethe in the Book of the Stone by Martin Barmann. (Attempt at interpretive translation by Count Deiro) Many of our friends on List understand German and this diminutive book is written in that language. I would love to see it published in English. But, for now, I wanted to bring it to the attention of those on List who can read it and encourage them to obtain a copy. No one afflicted with our obsession with the stone can escape the peaceful contemplation that comes with reading it. Thank you, Matthias Guido __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] International Shipping/Customs Questions
Hi Everyone, As I have been sending more specimens to international destinations, I have some questions for those who have more experience in this arena. I've searched the net and have not been able to find any information related to this topic, so I hope it's not a repeat: 1. What is the proper declaration description of a meteorite for customs forms? I've seen a variety, such as geological specimen, geological sample, mineral specimen, etc., and want to know which terms are best to use (and not to use). I have had a bad experience with a package I was receiving which was labeled meteorite in the description of the declaration form and a customs agent in Tennessee called me and didn't want to release the package because meteorites could contain dangerous bacteria (I'm not kidding!). Does it matter is the term sample is used vs. specimen? For this question, I am referring to loose meteorite specimens only (not jewelry). 2. Are there any countries that anyone is aware of that prohibit the receipt (import) of meteorites from individuals who live there? Thanks in advance. Matt Martin Meteorite Treasures www.meteoritetreasures.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] International Shipping/Customs Questions
1. What is the proper declaration description of a meteorite for customs forms? Good question! From my experiences I can say that its better to write anything than inside of this box is meteorite and its propably worth alot. We KNOW how normall peoples react when they hear about meteorite. They are expensive, they are interesting, they are rare. So its not a good idea to write Meteorite on your shipping box. Better write sample rock or rock sample for classification + no value etc... Whatever You want. Customs or postman in 99.99% have no idea what its inside and how much its worth, so better dont tell them. I even delete word Meteorite in peoples destination address!! Good example is Mirko Graul :). Mirko why You have as Your shipping address in Paypal Mirko Graul Meteorites? I dont think its good idea if You want receive Your meteorites without problems. I alvays delete Meteorites from Your address. I dont remember when my shipping was lost for the last time or if any was ever lost, but I dont send meteorites as parcels where I need to fill this small green form and declare what is inside, how much its worth and what is origin... Its better to send specimens as normal, ordinary registered airmail lettes without declaring anything. Once I have funny story with polish customs when I bought 30kg ordinary chondrites from Morocco. They send me customs form to declare what is in box, how much its worth. They need to know this to add taxes etc. So I declare its worth 200$ rock samples for classification. Hmm it was 50% truth becouse this NWA xxx is still only rocks. Few days later they call me and Mr. Geologist told me that he know that they are meteorites and they are for sure worth alot. So I told OK, they are meteorites and worth 400$ and if he know better then he need to prove me that its worth more. Few days later I got my meteorites, they got their taxes, everyone was happy. Thats my night time impressions. Good night. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] International Shipping/Customs Questions
Matt and Listers, That's a good question about whats the proper way of declaring meteorites for customs forms. What I have done in the past is put rock sample. Now I am putting rock sample for research and checking the box that says other, but I might stick with gift box. Also, I would put $5 for value and not sure if the buyer had to pay a tax for that, but I havent heard any complaints, but I think ill just put a $2 value cap. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 [meteorite-list] International Shipping/Customs Questions Matthew Martin mmartin at meteoritetreasures.com Sun Oct 3 18:40:56 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] The Book of of the Stone by Matthias Barmann Next message: [meteorite-list] International Shipping/Customs Questions Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Everyone, As I have been sending more specimens to international destinations, I have some questions for those who have more experience in this arena. I've searched the net and have not been able to find any information related to this topic, so I hope it's not a repeat: 1. What is the proper declaration description of a meteorite for customs forms? I've seen a variety, such as geological specimen, geological sample, mineral specimen, etc., and want to know which terms are best to use (and not to use). I have had a bad experience with a package I was receiving which was labeled meteorite in the description of the declaration form and a customs agent in Tennessee called me and didn't want to release the package because meteorites could contain dangerous bacteria (I'm not kidding!). Does it matter is the term sample is used vs. specimen? For this question, I am referring to loose meteorite specimens only (not jewelry). 2. Are there any countries that anyone is aware of that prohibit the receipt (import) of meteorites from individuals who live there? Thanks in advance. Matt Martin Meteorite Treasures www.meteoritetreasures.com Previous message: [meteorite-list] The Book of of the Stone by Matthias Barmann Next message: [meteorite-list] International Shipping/Customs Questions Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list [meteorite-list] International Shipping/Customs Questions Marcin Cimala marcin at meteoryt.net Sun Oct 3 19:55:35 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] International Shipping/Customs Questions Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] 1. What is the proper declaration description of a meteorite for customs forms? Good question! From my experiences I can say that its better to write anything than inside of this box is meteorite and its propably worth alot. We KNOW how normall peoples react when they hear about meteorite. They are expensive, they are interesting, they are rare. So its not a good idea to write Meteorite on your shipping box. Better write sample rock or rock sample for classification + no value etc... Whatever You want. Customs or postman in 99.99% have no idea what its inside and how much its worth, so better dont tell them. I even delete word Meteorite in peoples destination address!! Good example is Mirko Graul :). Mirko why You have as Your shipping address in Paypal Mirko Graul Meteorites? I dont think its good idea if You want receive Your meteorites without problems. I alvays delete Meteorites from Your address. I dont remember when my shipping was lost for the last time or if any was ever lost, but I dont send meteorites as parcels where I need to fill this small green form and declare what is inside, how much its worth and what is origin... Its better to send specimens as normal, ordinary registered airmail lettes without declaring anything. Once I have funny story with polish customs when I bought 30kg ordinary chondrites from Morocco. They send me customs form to declare what is in box, how much its worth. They need to know this to add taxes etc. So I declare its worth 200$ rock samples for classification. Hmm it was 50% truth becouse this NWA xxx is still only rocks. Few days later they call me and Mr. Geologist told me that he know that they are meteorites and they are for sure worth alot. So I told OK, they are meteorites and worth 400$ and if he know better then he need to prove me that its worth more. Few days later I got my meteorites, they got their taxes, everyone was happy. Thats my night time impressions. Good night. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[
Re: [meteorite-list] International Shipping/Customs Questions
I use the term Rock/Mineral Sample for Study and have never had an issue with customs. It is honest and leaves out the word Meteorite that can cause issues. If they open it, thats a different story, I always include an ID that clearly identifies the sample, but it is still a Rock/Mineral under the broadest term. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Sun, 10/3/10, Marcin Cimala mar...@meteoryt.net wrote: From: Marcin Cimala mar...@meteoryt.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] International Shipping/Customs Questions To: Matthew Martin mmar...@meteoritetreasures.com, meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 7:55 PM 1. What is the proper declaration description of a meteorite for customs forms? Good question! From my experiences I can say that its better to write anything than inside of this box is meteorite and its propably worth alot. We KNOW how normall peoples react when they hear about meteorite. They are expensive, they are interesting, they are rare. So its not a good idea to write Meteorite on your shipping box. Better write sample rock or rock sample for classification + no value etc... Whatever You want. Customs or postman in 99.99% have no idea what its inside and how much its worth, so better dont tell them. I even delete word Meteorite in peoples destination address!! Good example is Mirko Graul :). Mirko why You have as Your shipping address in Paypal Mirko Graul Meteorites? I dont think its good idea if You want receive Your meteorites without problems. I alvays delete Meteorites from Your address. I dont remember when my shipping was lost for the last time or if any was ever lost, but I dont send meteorites as parcels where I need to fill this small green form and declare what is inside, how much its worth and what is origin... Its better to send specimens as normal, ordinary registered airmail lettes without declaring anything. Once I have funny story with polish customs when I bought 30kg ordinary chondrites from Morocco. They send me customs form to declare what is in box, how much its worth. They need to know this to add taxes etc. So I declare its worth 200$ rock samples for classification. Hmm it was 50% truth becouse this NWA xxx is still only rocks. Few days later they call me and Mr. Geologist told me that he know that they are meteorites and they are for sure worth alot. So I told OK, they are meteorites and worth 400$ and if he know better then he need to prove me that its worth more. Few days later I got my meteorites, they got their taxes, everyone was happy. Thats my night time impressions. Good night. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ultraviolet Space Rocks
Hi David, Dr. Garvie, and the list, I am having email and PC issues, so I am not sure if my prior attempts to compose this message disappeared - or went out. So please forgive any duplicate messages. I am also unsure if anyone else may have made the comment I am making as my email problems have resulted in lost emails. It may be worthy to note that one may see a false fluorescence in any specimen - meteorite or terrestrial rock - if it was sliced using certain cutting fluids. Some cutting fluids will fluoresce under UV light, and if they soak into the specimen being cut, it can lead you to believe that piece is indeed fluorescent. I want to clarify that I am not referring to Dr. Garvie's specimen when I mention this. I mention this as a caveat to list members who may now be interested in checking the sliced specimens in their collection for fluorescence. If you cut it yourself, all you need do is check your cutting fluid for fluorescence. Purchased specimens are not going to be as easy to validate, but not impossible. If the color and intensity of the fluorescence agrees with the expected results of the mineral present, under the correct UV wavelength, then you should be able to validate it. Manuel Robbins' books are a great resource for UV mineral information. Ed David Gunning davidgunn...@fairpoint.net wrote: Hi Laurence Garvie, Thanks for filling-in some of the missing pieces of the minor puzzle concerning your fascinating Rocks from Space Picture dated September 29, 2009. Trace amounts of manganese (Mn) may certainly play a contributing if not dominant role in explain the yellow colored fluorescence, as I understand these things. That may not be, however, the entire story. According to author Manual Robbins (FLUORESCENCE: Gems and Minerals Under Ultraviolet light, 1994, Geoscience Press, Inc., Phoenix, Arizona), there may be some sort of structural defect within the crystal structure, itself, which may and can play a role in contributing to the fluorescence, also. Wollastonite, from Franklin, New Jersey, fluoresces a brilliant yellow color due to trace amounts of Mn, less than 0.1 percent. Lead, also, may act as a co-activator in the wollasonite helping to provide absorption of ultraviolet, according to Robbins. Concerning your picture, again, for a moment. I'm curious if you exposed your space rock to the two other main wavelengths of ultraviolet, UVB, or medium wave at 315nm-280nm, or UVC shortwave at 280nm-100nm? Still scratching my noggin over those secondary blue/green UV colors that appear in your fascinating picture. Any additional thoughts that might help explain that apparent UV color phenomena? Thanks for your time. Dave Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sale: 4 Kilos of meteorites
Hi listers, I have a small pile of meteorites from listed for sale. Over 200 individuals offered, or about 4 Kilograms of fine rocks. These were all collected on a trip to the Middle East in 2008 and have been stored ever since. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260672921870 If you are within 100 miles of the SF Bay area, give me a personal email and we can arrange a meeting. Rob Holcomb http://www.insanecows.com http://robholcomb.redbubble.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] International Shipping/Customs Questions
Hello Matt, List Disclaimer: This below discussion is for entertainment purposes only and the reader should consult their own legal services for legal advice as applicable. All those terms you mention apply to meteorites legally and legitimately. Meteorites are a subset of rocks so they are geological samples. If you mark the contents as meteorite you are inviting pilferage and the kind of inquiry noted. To my knowledge meteorite is not a classification in the tariff tables so it can be subjectively placed within a more expensive tariff class if the customs agent is having a bad day. I prefer the declaration geological specimen for study vs scientific as it removes any question of it not being a biological sample. So if you declare it a geological sample for study the customs agent can check the little box on the computer screen and your packages is on its way. The agent doesn't care what it is, so long as it fits neatly and legally in the paperwork. Don't give them a motive to think outside the box. Here are several facts regarding the nuances of shipping into the US and an example of how items can have multiple values legally. Under US import rules, scientific samples are not duty-able, however biological samples can be embargoed/quarantined for additional information-- invite inspection at a Level 3 containment facility and be arbitrarily destroyed if everything is not letter perfect including CITES compliance certification( Endangered Species Compliance). Technically, if importing/mailing rocks vs geological samples into the US, you may have also have to certify that they have been autoclaved in an oven at 250(?) degrees F for 2 hours(?) to kill nematodes. Once again, geological samples for study invites the least attention both by customs agents and thieves. One gray area is the value declaration No Commercial value(NCV). My rule of thumb is, if the intrinsic value of a specimen is substantially less then its study value ( NOTE: I am not addressing collector's value for then is may have commercial value) then you can still insure it under the theory of asset/replacement value and still legally and legitimately declare No commercial value. Importing small quantities of rocks and or minerals into the US is generally not taxed. If shipping a specimen outside the US where they have hard line import/VAT fees I believe you are entitled declare NCV but if you insure it for extraordinary value then depending on country to country the insurance value might invoke Duty/Vat charges on the customer. CAVEATS: If you are importing ruby facet rough for the purpose of making your own finished stones, then I am not sure you are entitled to use NCV or Geological sample for study in the customs declaration. If however you are redistributing/reselling it or reshipping it to others who may be only buying it for a study sample, then you might be able to legally use NCV/Specimen for study. It is a gray area and depends on if you are receiving a small packet or a Sea-Land 40ft container. Country of Origin can a problem if importing material which was originally recovered in Mymimar or pearls from Tahiti(?) unless they contain within the packing the words Collected before embargo assuming they were in fact from old collections. Intrinsic vs Commercial vs Asset valuation. You go to on expedition to Greenland for 4 weeks and collect fossil bearing rocks for distribution to other researchers or for your own amateur study ( NOTE: Research includes study but study doesn't always imply research. The exclusion wording in US law is specimens for study). The rocks themselves, in the low quantity you are shipping/importing, are intrinsically equal to gravel in value-- limestone is limestone is limestone--10 cents per lb at your local landscaper. In and of itself. a specimen, or crate thereof, may not have intrinsic value. Exceptions maybe precious metal nuggets where intrinsic value could be argued but are generally never questioned by customs unless they have extraordinary value like several thousand coin of the realm. If they are not intended to be refined then they theoretically qualify as no intrinsic value. NOTE: No intrinsic value is a legal concept-- not for customs declaration purposes. It is a legal argument against being taxed should the issue arise. If anyone has nuggets they can't import send them to me I CAN whip out a quick study plan but will of course have to retain a portion for my own study and edification. Back to our example, the cost of collecting is called the acquisition cost which is the accounting value you place on your asset -- e.g. the expedition cost to go to Greenland, room, board, tool rental, local guide, supplies while there and etc--. Lets say it works out $1000 per kilogram. This is the cost to go back to Greenland and replace the material and what you are insuring. You may
