Re: [meteorite-list] Passing of Bob Walker

[W&S Schroer]

Hi Michael,

(I assume "clark it" is Ausie for "bite the dust" sort of slang)
It's actually "cark it" and you are right, it's an Aussie/New Zealand slang 
for 'passing away'.


RIP Bob.

Werner Schroer
Australia


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Blood" 

To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Passing of Bob Walker


Count, Karmaka  and all,

   I was grateful  Count posted to the list. I received my letter
Yesterday and was profoundly grief stricken. I was dreading braking
The news to list members. Bob and I have been exchanging emails
daily to several times a day for the last few years. He went from
customer to friend to dear friend, being the only other collector I
know who seemed to match my passion for hammers.

  In over 20 years in meteorites I have had no closer friend and none
With whom I communicated daily as with Bob.

   I broke down altogether yesterday when I heard from his partner.
   I am certainly most grateful she wrote me, as I hadn't heard from
Bob in over a week (because he was gone) and wrote every day and
Never got an email bounced back - but was dreading the worst under
The circumstances.

   Odd, in his last email to me he responded to my concern he had
Been in the hospital for over 2 weeks and they were supposedly just
Trying to work out a way of lowering his pain (of which he never
complained). In any event, he started out his last email to me, "Don't
Worry, I'm not going to clark it yet." (I assume "clark it" is Ausie for
"bite the dust" sort of slang).

   When Bob left, he had 10 of my finest Thin Sections - Lunar and
Martian and I believe in past posts I have saved, there is the contact
Info for the institutional fellow collaborating with him on this project.
If those of you who loaned him thin sections will contact me off list, I
Will request your TSs be returned with mine and send them off to
Those involved in assisting Bob on this last project provided I can reach
This fellow.

   Anyway, the meteorite community has lost a great friend.
   My condolences to all of you who had the privilege of developing a
personal relationship with Bob. I wish I could afford to go to Australia for
Whatever memorial service they may have for him, but if I could afford
That I would most definitely have gone many months ago to share time
With dear Bob. We also shared a strong interest in several varieties of
Plants ( particular varieties of Orchids, Hoyas etc.). Damn, I am going
To miss him terribly.

I will be creating a memorial page for Bob and will let you all
know when it is up.

   Life is "too short" for those we love, eh?

   Peace be with Bob and with you all, Michael



On 10/9/10 1:29 PM, "karmaka"  wrote:


³A farewell is necessary before we can meet again, and meeting again,

after

moments or a lifetime is certain for those who are friends.²


Rest in peace,

Bob





-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: "Count Deiro"



Gesendet: 09.10.2010 21:56:18
An:

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Walker



Dear List,

If this has been posted...I apologize for repeating sad
news. I have not seen it mentioned.

Bob Walker of Brisbane, Queensland,
Australia, veteran of the Royal Australian Military Forces, a true mate 
and
associate in the love of all that has to do with meteorites, passed away 
in

hospital October 2nd. last.

Bob had been in daily communication for months
with several of us on List and had busied himself, even after learning of 
his
terminal diagnosis, with his obsession with thin sections, sending DVDs 
and

posters to everyone who would have them and asking for new samples to
incorporate in his work. He had already arranged to donate most of his
collection of Australian meteorites to local institutions and museums. 
Just
recently having the pleasure of assisting at an installation of his 
favorite

pieces for public view in Queensland.

To the end he was upbeat though he
knew he was dying and showed more concern for the health of his friends 
who
also have cancer, writing daily and sharing encounters with the "white 
coats"

and trusting that they would "fixee fixee" everyone.

You know the answer
now...Bob. I hope it's that you have crossed the event horizon and are in 
the

presence of all that is beautiful.

RIP

Guido

P.S. The military has
already shut down his mailbox. Condolences and inquiries can be sent to 
Bob's

partner:

Meryll J. Fraser - 24 Tinworth Street - WILLOWBANK -
Queensland -4308  AUSTRALIA



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Aloha,

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2010 in Morocco. Most of the material has been recovered and sold, and these 
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Cool...
http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/10/09/016236/Collision-of-Two-Asteroids-Spotted-For-the-First-Time?from=headlines

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Re: [meteorite-list] Memorial for Bob Walker

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

I just checked my email and saw that Bob has passed.  I know that Bob
was liked by many and also disliked by some.  But we are all brothers
and sisters of the same parent body, and when one of our fellow
collectors goes into dark flight, we all experience the loss of light.
 He had a keen mind and a sharp wit.  Though I only knew him a short
time, we both shared how cancer has hammered both of our families.  I
will miss him and this is another bad piece of news in what is shaping
up to be a crummy October.

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 10/9/10, Michael Blood  wrote:
> Hi all,
> John Cabassi was kind enough to send me the following:
>
>
> http://tributes.couriermail.com.au/obituaries/couriermail-au/obituary.as
> px?n=robert-andrew-walker-bob&pid=145854253
>
> Those in Austrailia may be able to go
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Passing of Bob Walker

[Melanie Matthews]

"You know the answer now...Bob. I hope it's that you have crossed the  event 
horizon and are in the presence of all that is beautiful."  

Well put. R.I.P. Bob Walker. 

 ---
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IMCA: 2975
eBay: metmel2775
Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09

I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7.



- Original Message 
From: Count Deiro 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 12:56:18 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Passing of Bob Walker

Dear List,

If this has been posted...I apologize for repeating sad news. I have not seen 
it 
mentioned. 


Bob Walker of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, veteran of the Royal Australian 
Military Forces, a true mate and associate in the love of all that has to do 
with meteorites, passed away in hospital October 2nd. last.

Bob had been in daily communication for months with several of us on List and 
had busied himself, even after learning of his terminal diagnosis, with his 
obsession with thin sections, sending DVDs and posters to everyone who would 
have them and asking for new samples to incorporate in his work. He had already 
arranged to donate most of his collection of Australian meteorites to local 
institutions and museums. Just recently having the pleasure of assisting at an 
installation of his favorite pieces for public view in Queensland.

To the end he was upbeat though he knew he was dying and showed more concern 
for 
the health of his friends who also have cancer, writing daily and sharing 
encounters with the "white coats" and trusting that they would "fixee fixee" 
everyone.  


You know the answer now...Bob. I hope it's that you have crossed the event 
horizon and are in the presence of all that is beautiful.

RIP

Guido

P.S. The military has already shut down his mailbox. Condolences and inquiries 
can be sent to Bob's partner:

 Meryll J. Fraser - 24 Tinworth Street - WILLOWBANK - Queensland -4308  
AUSTRALIA  


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Passing of Bob Walker

[Richard Montgomery]

Michael, thanks.  Although I never corresponded with Bob, I always read his 
posts and always marveled at his relative indifference to the health issues, 
instead passioned by life and knowledge.  Your words go straight to the 
heart, and put things in perspective.  Certainly, he is flying among the 
stars.  -Richard



- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Blood" 

To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Passing of Bob Walker


Count, Karmaka  and all,

   I was grateful  Count posted to the list. I received my letter
Yesterday and was profoundly grief stricken. I was dreading braking
The news to list members. Bob and I have been exchanging emails
daily to several times a day for the last few years. He went from
customer to friend to dear friend, being the only other collector I
know who seemed to match my passion for hammers.

  In over 20 years in meteorites I have had no closer friend and none
With whom I communicated daily as with Bob.

   I broke down altogether yesterday when I heard from his partner.
   I am certainly most grateful she wrote me, as I hadn't heard from
Bob in over a week (because he was gone) and wrote every day and
Never got an email bounced back - but was dreading the worst under
The circumstances.

   Odd, in his last email to me he responded to my concern he had
Been in the hospital for over 2 weeks and they were supposedly just
Trying to work out a way of lowering his pain (of which he never
complained). In any event, he started out his last email to me, "Don't
Worry, I'm not going to clark it yet." (I assume "clark it" is Ausie for
"bite the dust" sort of slang).

   When Bob left, he had 10 of my finest Thin Sections - Lunar and
Martian and I believe in past posts I have saved, there is the contact
Info for the institutional fellow collaborating with him on this project.
If those of you who loaned him thin sections will contact me off list, I
Will request your TSs be returned with mine and send them off to
Those involved in assisting Bob on this last project provided I can reach
This fellow.

   Anyway, the meteorite community has lost a great friend.
   My condolences to all of you who had the privilege of developing a
personal relationship with Bob. I wish I could afford to go to Australia for
Whatever memorial service they may have for him, but if I could afford
That I would most definitely have gone many months ago to share time
With dear Bob. We also shared a strong interest in several varieties of
Plants ( particular varieties of Orchids, Hoyas etc.). Damn, I am going
To miss him terribly.

I will be creating a memorial page for Bob and will let you all
know when it is up.

   Life is "too short" for those we love, eh?

   Peace be with Bob and with you all, Michael



On 10/9/10 1:29 PM, "karmaka"  wrote:


³A farewell is necessary before we can meet again, and meeting again,

after

moments or a lifetime is certain for those who are friends.²


Rest in peace,

Bob





-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: "Count Deiro"



Gesendet: 09.10.2010 21:56:18
An:

meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Betreff: [meteorite-list] Passing of Bob

Walker



Dear List,

If this has been posted...I apologize for repeating sad
news. I have not seen it mentioned.

Bob Walker of Brisbane, Queensland,
Australia, veteran of the Royal Australian Military Forces, a true mate 
and
associate in the love of all that has to do with meteorites, passed away 
in

hospital October 2nd. last.

Bob had been in daily communication for months
with several of us on List and had busied himself, even after learning of 
his
terminal diagnosis, with his obsession with thin sections, sending DVDs 
and

posters to everyone who would have them and asking for new samples to
incorporate in his work. He had already arranged to donate most of his
collection of Australian meteorites to local institutions and museums. 
Just
recently having the pleasure of assisting at an installation of his 
favorite

pieces for public view in Queensland.

To the end he was upbeat though he
knew he was dying and showed more concern for the health of his friends 
who
also have cancer, writing daily and sharing encounters with the "white 
coats"

and trusting that they would "fixee fixee" everyone.

You know the answer
now...Bob. I hope it's that you have crossed the event horizon and are in 
the

presence of all that is beautiful.

RIP

Guido

P.S. The military has
already shut down his mailbox. Condolences and inquiries can be sent to 
Bob's

partner:

Meryll J. Fraser - 24 Tinworth Street - WILLOWBANK -
Queensland -4308  AUSTRALIA



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[meteorite-list] Fw: Cultural Property Information Notice / Avis d'information sur les biens culturels

[Roman Jirasek]

This may be of interest to Canadian exporters of cultural property, 
including meteorites.


Roman Jirasek
www.meteoritelabels.com



October 7, 2010

Information Notice:

This notice may be of particular interest for those involved in, or
associated with, export activity of fossils, minerals, meteorites and 
other

objects recovered from the soil or waters of Canada (Group I of the
Canadian Cultural Property Export Control List).

As a matter of public interest and to keep partners and stakeholders in 
the

cultural property export community informed, the Movable Cultural Property
Directorate of Canadian Heritage shares information as it arises.

On October 4, 2010, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police announced a
conviction under the Cultural Property Export and Import Act for the
attempted illegal export of fossils and minerals.  The announcement can be
viewed at :

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?rn=222562&cl=22285613
&ch=&src=canadanews

http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/2010/10/04/15579831.html


Additional information on the cultural property export control system is
available online.

Cultural Property Export and Import Act
Canadian Cultural Property Export Control List


Erica Claus

Erica Claus
Director, Movable Cultural Property
Directrice, Biens culturels mobiliers
Secretary, Canadian Cultural Property Export Review Board
Secrétaire, Commission canadienne d'examen des exportations de biens
culturels
15, rue Eddy Street, 15-3-A, Gatineau, QC   K1A 0M5
Tel.: (819) 997-8933   Fax: (819) 997-7757
erica.cl...@pch.gc.ca

http://www.pch.gc.ca/pgm/bcm-mcp/index-eng.cfm


**

Le 7 octobre 2010

Avis d'information :

Le présent avis s'adresse particulièrement aux personnes prenant part à 
des

activités d'exportation de fossiles, de minéraux, de météorites et de
divers objets trouvés dans le sol ou les eaux du Canada et aux personnes
concernées par de telles activités (Groupe I de la Nomenclature des biens
culturels canadiens à exportation contrôlée).

La Direction des biens culturels mobiliers de Patrimoine canadien partage
l'information dès son obtention puisqu'il s'agit d'une question d'intérêt
public et qu'elle s'efforce de tenir informés ses partenaires et les
intervenants du domaine de l'exportation des biens culturels.

Le 4 octobre 2010, la Gendarmerie royale du Canada a fait une déclaration
sommaire de culpabilité en vertu de la Loi sur l'exportation et
l'importation de biens culturels pour une tentative d'exportation illégale
de fossiles et de minéraux. Si vous êtes intéressé par cette annonce, la
déclaration publique peut être consultée en ligne :

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?rn=222562&cl=22285613
&ch=&src=canadanews

http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/2010/10/04/15579831.html


Plus amples renseignements sur exportations de biens culturels sont
disponible enligne.
Loi sur l'exportation et l'importation de biens culturels
Nomenclature des biens culturels canadiens à exportation contrôlée


Erica Claus

Erica Claus
Director, Movable Cultural Property
Directrice, Biens culturels mobiliers
Secretary, Canadian Cultural Property Export Review Board
Secrétaire, Commission canadienne d'examen des exportations de biens
culturels
15, rue Eddy Street, 15-3-A, Gatineau, QC   K1A 0M5
Tel.: (819) 997-8933   Fax: (819) 997-7757
erica.cl...@pch.gc.ca

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Re: [meteorite-list] Memorial for Bob Walker

[Michael Blood]

Hi all,
John Cabassi was kind enough to send me the following:


http://tributes.couriermail.com.au/obituaries/couriermail-au/obituary.as
px?n=robert-andrew-walker-bob&pid=145854253

Those in Austrailia may be able to go
Michael





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Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought

[cdtucson]

Dave,
This is an interesting word "professional." Basically it does not mean much 
more than getting paid to do something.
I prefer the term professionalism. Professionalism  includes the conduct of 
what a professional does.
Not only do they get paid but, they conduct themselves in a certain way 
including a long list of things;
Respect for others is an important ism. Bad mouthing your competition is one of 
the un's in the ism.
Ethics and Morals play a role in the isms as well.
Trust and honor play a huge role as well.
Having good business sense is key. 
Playing by the rules is important. 
Basic Business Knowledge can be huge.
Knowledge in general also plays a huge role.
In this Biz a basic Scientific and geology education is a great aid towards 
achieving the highest level of professionalism. 
Each of these areas can be broken down and defined but basically there are 
various degrees of professionals and ism based on these factors and a few more 
I may have missed here  whether you get paid or not.
To tackle your question about authenticity is a tough nut.
Even Earth minerals require a certain amount of testing or opinion to verify 
authenticity but, meteorite identification is far more difficult because it's 
not quite as aesthetically driven as the mineral biz. As an example. A perfect 
diamond is flawless. Not so with a perfect meteorite. To me the perfect 
meteorite is the one in my possession. ha ha. 
Most dealers can identify most of the chondrites in general with a visual 
inspection. Beyond that the sky is the limit. Pun intended.
Yes, there are many rules of thumb about meteorites but I cannot think of a 
single rule that cannot at some point become an exception to the rule. 
By that I mean if somebody came up with a rule book of meteorites there will 
always be rule breakers. So, we are involved in an industry that relies heavily 
on our Scientific counter parts.
We not only rely on them we depend on them. For without a Scientists name on a 
piece of paper describing it , you have either a rock or a unclassified 
meteorite. Either one is almost worthless. 
To me it is this aspect in our Biz that is the most lacking. Sure we have great 
Scientists just not enough of them. Especially when it comes to Achondrites and 
odd irons such as Lovina. Many of these even the true Science professionals 
cannot agree on at first. 
Which brings us to the word "Legal" definition? This seems to be a bit of a 
gray area.
Sure we can Google the word but there is no such thing as a *legal* meteorite. 
Not really. 
Most collectible objects can be certified as authentic. This adds confidence 
which converts to trust. 
With meteorites the only certification we have is in the name. Met soc 
certifies only the name. The rest is assumed accurate but not "legally" 
certified by anybody.
I would like to know why this is but, as this was explained by Jeff Grossman as 
the case but not why. 
I think this is why eBay allows these crackpots to sell there rocks because 
nobody can prove them wrong through a listing alone. They may well be selling a 
true Lunar. Who knows unless it gets studied. Many of them even present their 
own testing results. I mean who could argue with that? 
To me the ultimate professional guarantees what they sell with a money back 
guarantee. Period. 
We are in a tough biz.
My 2 more cents.
Carl
 . 
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Meteoritemax


 David Gunning  wrote: 
> 
> Hi Graham UK,
> 
> The last time I looked there was no check-list of attributes defining
> what it means to be a "professional" meteorite dealer.
> 
> The more I learn about the IMCA, and how it presents itself as a quasi
> enforcer of honest meteorite dealings between it's membership and the 
> meteorite collecting community, at large, the more I like what I see.
> 
> That is not to say, however, that I would want to subscribe to it's
> tenets of extreme trust that it's membership, you included, appears to
> crow about in place of solid verifiable scientific mineralogical evidence
> when purchasing meteorites, where and whenever possible.
> 
> One of the difficulties, seems to me, is that the scientists, generally
> speaking, are too deeply insulated from having to address the questions
> and concerns of us mere ordinary mortals, non IMCA members.
> Professionalism, at it's best, means addressing those devilish details
> that don't always quite square-up, in my view.  Science, at it's best,
> should be verifiable and evidence based for even us ordinary mere
> mortals, don't you suppose?
> 
> Verifiably yours,
> 
> Dave Gunning
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > I think you will find in time that many of the most "professional"
> > meteorite dealers as you call them do not have to sell themselves hard
> > on the list or to individuals as they have built up their reputations
> > over many years and do not need to. There are many who deal
> > "professionally" too but have other main professions not related to
> > meteorites.

Re: [meteorite-list] Passing of Bob Walker

[Michael Blood]

Count, Karmaka  and all,

I was grateful  Count posted to the list. I received my letter
Yesterday and was profoundly grief stricken. I was dreading braking
The news to list members. Bob and I have been exchanging emails
daily to several times a day for the last few years. He went from
customer to friend to dear friend, being the only other collector I
know who seemed to match my passion for hammers.

   In over 20 years in meteorites I have had no closer friend and none
With whom I communicated daily as with Bob.

I broke down altogether yesterday when I heard from his partner.
I am certainly most grateful she wrote me, as I hadn't heard from
Bob in over a week (because he was gone) and wrote every day and
Never got an email bounced back - but was dreading the worst under
The circumstances. 

Odd, in his last email to me he responded to my concern he had
Been in the hospital for over 2 weeks and they were supposedly just
Trying to work out a way of lowering his pain (of which he never
complained). In any event, he started out his last email to me, "Don't
Worry, I'm not going to clark it yet." (I assume "clark it" is Ausie for
"bite the dust" sort of slang).

When Bob left, he had 10 of my finest Thin Sections - Lunar and
Martian and I believe in past posts I have saved, there is the contact
Info for the institutional fellow collaborating with him on this project.
If those of you who loaned him thin sections will contact me off list, I
Will request your TSs be returned with mine and send them off to
Those involved in assisting Bob on this last project provided I can reach
This fellow. 

Anyway, the meteorite community has lost a great friend.
My condolences to all of you who had the privilege of developing a
personal relationship with Bob. I wish I could afford to go to Australia for
Whatever memorial service they may have for him, but if I could afford
That I would most definitely have gone many months ago to share time
With dear Bob. We also shared a strong interest in several varieties of
Plants ( particular varieties of Orchids, Hoyas etc.). Damn, I am going
To miss him terribly.

 I will be creating a memorial page for Bob and will let you all
know when it is up.

Life is "too short" for those we love, eh?
   
Peace be with Bob and with you all, Michael



On 10/9/10 1:29 PM, "karmaka"  wrote:

> ³A farewell is necessary before we can meet again, and meeting again, 
after
> moments or a lifetime is certain for those who are friends.²

Rest in peace,
> Bob




-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: "Count Deiro"
> 
Gesendet: 09.10.2010 21:56:18
An:
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Passing of Bob
> Walker

>Dear List,
>
>If this has been posted...I apologize for repeating sad
> news. I have not seen it mentioned. 
>
>Bob Walker of Brisbane, Queensland,
> Australia, veteran of the Royal Australian Military Forces, a true mate and
> associate in the love of all that has to do with meteorites, passed away in
> hospital October 2nd. last.
>
>Bob had been in daily communication for months
> with several of us on List and had busied himself, even after learning of his
> terminal diagnosis, with his obsession with thin sections, sending DVDs and
> posters to everyone who would have them and asking for new samples to
> incorporate in his work. He had already arranged to donate most of his
> collection of Australian meteorites to local institutions and museums. Just
> recently having the pleasure of assisting at an installation of his favorite
> pieces for public view in Queensland.
>
>To the end he was upbeat though he
> knew he was dying and showed more concern for the health of his friends who
> also have cancer, writing daily and sharing encounters with the "white coats"
> and trusting that they would "fixee fixee" everyone.  
>
>You know the answer
> now...Bob. I hope it's that you have crossed the event horizon and are in the
> presence of all that is beautiful.
>
>RIP
>
>Guido
>
>P.S. The military has
> already shut down his mailbox. Condolences and inquiries can be sent to Bob's
> partner:
>
> Meryll J. Fraser - 24 Tinworth Street - WILLOWBANK -
> Queensland -4308  AUSTRALIA   
>
>
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Passing of Bob Walker

[Matthias Bärmann]

Count Deiro wrote: " I hope it's that you have crossed the event horizon 
and are in the presence of all that is beautiful."


That's a good sentence, Guido.

Bob Walker at Michael "Captain" Blood's Meteorite-Friends-Website:
http://www.meteorite.com/friends/details.php/listing/199/Bob%20WALKER

I'm just back from a performance of Richard Wagner's 'Das Rheingold' ...
... "Alles, was ist, - endet!" (All what exists - has an end)

Best,

Matthias


http://www.meteorite.com/friends/details.php/listing/199/Bob%20WALKER
- Original Message - 
From: "Count Deiro" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 9:56 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Passing of Bob Walker



Dear List,

If this has been posted...I apologize for repeating sad news. I have not 
seen it mentioned.


Bob Walker of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, veteran of the Royal 
Australian Military Forces, a true mate and associate in the love of all 
that has to do with meteorites, passed away in hospital October 2nd. last.


Bob had been in daily communication for months with several of us on List 
and had busied himself, even after learning of his terminal diagnosis, 
with his obsession with thin sections, sending DVDs and posters to 
everyone who would have them and asking for new samples to incorporate in 
his work. He had already arranged to donate most of his collection of 
Australian meteorites to local institutions and museums. Just recently 
having the pleasure of assisting at an installation of his favorite pieces 
for public view in Queensland.


To the end he was upbeat though he knew he was dying and showed more 
concern for the health of his friends who also have cancer, writing daily 
and sharing encounters with the "white coats" and trusting that they would 
"fixee fixee" everyone.


You know the answer now...Bob. I hope it's that you have crossed the event 
horizon and are in the presence of all that is beautiful.


RIP

Guido

P.S. The military has already shut down his mailbox. Condolences and 
inquiries can be sent to Bob's partner:


Meryll J. Fraser - 24 Tinworth Street - WILLOWBANK - Queensland -4308 
AUSTRALIA



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[meteorite-list] (AD) FREEBIES,EBAY AND CONDOLANCES

[steve arnold]

Hello list.First off my sincere condolances to the bob walker family.He really 
did have a love for meteorites.He'll be missed! I have 5 unclassified stones to 
go to new homes. Just email me your address and they'll be on thier way.I also 
have put up on ebay a best offer to boot on most of my auctions with free 
shipping to anywhere in the world.These must sell,but please reasonable 
offers.Have a great day all.
 Steve R.Arnold, Chicago!
http://Chicagometeorites.com/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Passing of Bob Walker

[karmaka]

“A farewell is necessary before we can meet again, and meeting again, 
after moments or a lifetime is certain for those who are friends.”

Rest in peace, Bob




-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: "Count Deiro" 
Gesendet: 09.10.2010 21:56:18
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Passing of Bob Walker

>Dear List,
>
>If this has been posted...I apologize for repeating sad news. I have not seen 
>it mentioned. 
>
>Bob Walker of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, veteran of the Royal Australian 
>Military Forces, a true mate and associate in the love of all that has to do 
>with meteorites, passed away in hospital October 2nd. last.
>
>Bob had been in daily communication for months with several of us on List and 
>had busied himself, even after learning of his terminal diagnosis, with his 
>obsession with thin sections, sending DVDs and posters to everyone who would 
>have them and asking for new samples to incorporate in his work. He had 
>already arranged to donate most of his collection of Australian meteorites to 
>local institutions and museums. Just recently having the pleasure of assisting 
>at an installation of his favorite pieces for public view in Queensland.
>
>To the end he was upbeat though he knew he was dying and showed more concern 
>for the health of his friends who also have cancer, writing daily and sharing 
>encounters with the "white coats" and trusting that they would "fixee fixee" 
>everyone.  
>
>You know the answer now...Bob. I hope it's that you have crossed the event 
>horizon and are in the presence of all that is beautiful.
>
>RIP
>
>Guido
>
>P.S. The military has already shut down his mailbox. Condolences and inquiries 
>can be sent to Bob's partner:
>
> Meryll J. Fraser - 24 Tinworth Street - WILLOWBANK - Queensland -4308  
> AUSTRALIA   
>
>  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Passing of Bob Walker

[Greg Catterton]

Sad to hear. I had just assembled a selection of thin sections to send him to 
use that was going to be mailed out Monday.
RIP Bob.


Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
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On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites


--- On Sat, 10/9/10, Count Deiro  wrote:

> From: Count Deiro 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Passing of Bob Walker
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Saturday, October 9, 2010, 3:56 PM
> Dear List,
> 
> If this has been posted...I apologize for repeating sad
> news. I have not seen it mentioned. 
> 
> Bob Walker of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, veteran of
> the Royal Australian Military Forces, a true mate and
> associate in the love of all that has to do with meteorites,
> passed away in hospital October 2nd. last.
> 
> Bob had been in daily communication for months with several
> of us on List and had busied himself, even after learning of
> his terminal diagnosis, with his obsession with thin
> sections, sending DVDs and posters to everyone who would
> have them and asking for new samples to incorporate in his
> work. He had already arranged to donate most of his
> collection of Australian meteorites to local institutions
> and museums. Just recently having the pleasure of assisting
> at an installation of his favorite pieces for public view in
> Queensland.
> 
> To the end he was upbeat though he knew he was dying and
> showed more concern for the health of his friends who also
> have cancer, writing daily and sharing encounters with the
> "white coats" and trusting that they would "fixee fixee"
> everyone.  
> 
> You know the answer now...Bob. I hope it's that you have
> crossed the event horizon and are in the presence of all
> that is beautiful.
> 
> RIP
> 
> Guido
> 
> P.S. The military has already shut down his mailbox.
> Condolences and inquiries can be sent to Bob's partner:
> 
>      Meryll J. Fraser - 24 Tinworth
> Street - WILLOWBANK - Queensland -4308 
> AUSTRALIA   
> 
>   
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Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought

[Greg Catterton]

I sent an email out looking to see what he was interested in, then a follow up 
after his second post, but got not one reply from him. 
Strange...

Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
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--- On Sat, 10/9/10, Steve Witt  wrote:

> From: Steve Witt 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought
> To: davidgunn...@fairpoint.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, "MEM" 
> 
> Date: Saturday, October 9, 2010, 1:25 PM
> Elton,
> 
> Well said.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> Steve Witt
> IMCA #9020
> http://imca.cc/
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 10/9/10, MEM 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: MEM 
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer
> Sought
> > To: davidgunn...@fairpoint.net,
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Saturday, October 9, 2010, 11:28 AM
> > Dear Dave-- were I inclined I could
> > go back in the list archives and fine 20 or 
> > more flash-in-the-pan  EX list members who came in
> > like a bull elephant, 
> > throwing around all types of  ill-formed demands, or
> > egotistical proclamations 
> > and after not getting the attention they demanded
> ranted
> > out some monologue as 
> > to what a substandard list this is.
> > 
> > What made you specify that "dealers" were all you
> > sought--was below the noise 
> > level to bother with. And why now complain that the
> rest of
> > the list didn't 
> > answer you--Are  you under the misconception the
> this
> > is a list mainly of 
> > dealers?   I don't know which dealers who
> > responded but how do you know they 
> > were "professional" dealers?  Getting more than 1
> > person offering to do business 
> > based on your original post is quiet successful.
> > 
> > So get a clue--if you want assistance on specific
> questions
> > just ask.  We were 
> > all novices once and if you don't come in here ranting
> like
> > you are owed our 
> > undivided attention and just ask your specific
> question you
> > might get what you 
> > need-- if not what you want.   (Pray tell
> > what are other "celestial objects 
> > mainly meteorites?" are you talking about?)
> > 
> > Let me take this opportunity to remind you that if
> you
> > don't like the way we do 
> > business and elect to join the list of other EX list
> > members and you are going 
> > to loudly announce your taking leave of us... take
> care to
> > not let the door hit 
> > you in the tushie on your way out...
> > 
> > Elton
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message 
> > > From: David Gunning 
> > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > > Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:50:11 PM
> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Professionals No
> Longer
> > Sought
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi All,
> > > 
> > > After an initial responsive surge of 6
> > "professional"  meteorite dealers
> > > to my ad seeking same, the surge has,
> apparently,
> > subsided.  Dried-up. 
> > > Gone kaput.  So, lemme see, out of a total list
> > membership  of, what, 950,
> > > or so, members, and with six acknowledged
> > professional  meteorite dealers,
> > > (and other celestial objects dealers) amongst
> your
> > ranks,  that would be a
> > > ratio of 950 to 6 for an estimated percentage
> value of
> > less  that 1% total
> > > of professional dealers who view themselves as
> such
> > and are  willing to
> > > allow themselves as being such on the list.
> > > 
> > > Wow, there sure  must be alot of collectors and
> > scientists on the list.
> > > 
> > > How cool is  that?
> > > 
> > > Thanks, Chummies!
> > > 
> > > Dave  Gunning
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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[meteorite-list] Passing of Bob Walker

[Count Deiro]

Dear List,

If this has been posted...I apologize for repeating sad news. I have not seen 
it mentioned. 

Bob Walker of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, veteran of the Royal Australian 
Military Forces, a true mate and associate in the love of all that has to do 
with meteorites, passed away in hospital October 2nd. last.

Bob had been in daily communication for months with several of us on List and 
had busied himself, even after learning of his terminal diagnosis, with his 
obsession with thin sections, sending DVDs and posters to everyone who would 
have them and asking for new samples to incorporate in his work. He had already 
arranged to donate most of his collection of Australian meteorites to local 
institutions and museums. Just recently having the pleasure of assisting at an 
installation of his favorite pieces for public view in Queensland.

To the end he was upbeat though he knew he was dying and showed more concern 
for the health of his friends who also have cancer, writing daily and sharing 
encounters with the "white coats" and trusting that they would "fixee fixee" 
everyone.  

You know the answer now...Bob. I hope it's that you have crossed the event 
horizon and are in the presence of all that is beautiful.

RIP

Guido

P.S. The military has already shut down his mailbox. Condolences and inquiries 
can be sent to Bob's partner:

 Meryll J. Fraser - 24 Tinworth Street - WILLOWBANK - Queensland -4308  
AUSTRALIA   

  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: October 4-8, 2010

[Jerry Flaherty]

Thank you Elton. I'll study on it.
Jerry

--
From: "MEM" 
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 1:28 PM
To: "Jerry Flaherty" ; "Meteorite Mailing List" 


Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: October 4-8, 2010

The term" rift valley/rift" is somewhat subjective as a rift proper is 
normally
associated with plate movement but this example in not from the "tectonic 
plate
movement" we are familiar with on earth. This valley resulted from a 
"tectonic
process". Specifically a branch of tectonic study called 
thrust/contraction

tectonics 

The feature is a graben . A graben  
is type
of fault feature where contraction( vs compression) pulls perpendicular to 
to

the linear features and a block of landscape drops in relation to the
surrounding.  On each side of the graben will be steep sloped escarpments. 
A
horst is the highland between two grabens that remained at the same 
elevation of

may have been up-thrusted.

In the example you posted the movement was a few inches/feet left and 
right of
the escarpments( parallel lines) as well as a downward movement of the 
valley
floor a distance I am unable to determine from the photo but could have 
been
tens to hundreds of feet.  This is not a slip strike fault where the 
opposite

sides are displaced laterally.

I've read recently about contraction of the lunar crust owing to overall
cooling producing these features.  On a lunar-wide basis when the formerly
liquid mantle transitioned to a solid the sum total of all the nanometer 
sized

compression of the space between molecules is seen on the surface as these
grabens.  The link above shows a substantial graben on the moon.


To read about recent graben formation on earth you might google the 
1811-1812
New Madrid Earthquare 
or
and the formation of the ReelFoot lake in western Tennessee. That area 
lies on a
failed rift where North America almost split.  I think the Reelfoot Lake 
basin
came from a graben drop of only about 6 ft but left a lake of 30 square 
miles

and about 3 ft /1meter deep.

Elton



- Original Message 

From: Jerry Flaherty 
To: Ron Baalke ; Meteorite Mailing List

Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 8:22:25 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: October 4-8, 
2010


A little geologic help please.
In the image "Alba Mons Tectonics" could  someone elucidate and elaborate 
on

the tectonic features shown.
Are we  looking at a rift at one or both parallel "lines" depicted and if 
so:

are the  lines related
what is the direction of the movement
what specific features  demonstrate this movement
any other features which demonstrate tectonic  activity that I'm not 
seeing

Thanks to any respondents in advance
Jerry  Flaherty
--
From: "Ron Baalke" 
Sent:  Friday, October 08, 2010 5:55 PM
To: "Meteorite Mailing List" 
Subject:  [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: October 4-8,  2010

>
> MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
> October 4-8,  2010
>
> o Wind Erosion (04 October 2010)
>   http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20101004a
>
> o Pavonis Mons (05 October  2010)
>  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20101005a
>
> o Wind  Texture (06 October 2010)
>   http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20101006a
>
> o Central Peak Crater (07  October 2010)
>  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20101007a
>
>  o Alba Mons Tectonics (08 October 2010)
>   http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20101008a
>
>
> All of the THEMIS  images are archived here:
>
>  http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html
>
> NASA's Jet Propulsion  Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission
> for NASA's Office of  Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal 
> Emission

> Imaging System  (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
> Tempe, in co.oration  with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing.
> The THEMIS investigation is  led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona 
> State
> University. Lockheed  Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime 
> contractor

> for the Odyssey  project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission
> operations are  conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a
> division of the  California Institute of Technology in Pasadena.
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: October 4-8, 2010

[MEM]

The term" rift valley/rift" is somewhat subjective as a rift proper is normally 
associated with plate movement but this example in not from the "tectonic plate 
movement" we are familiar with on earth. This valley resulted from a "tectonic 
process". Specifically a branch of tectonic study called thrust/contraction 
tectonics 

The feature is a graben . A graben  is 
type 
of fault feature where contraction( vs compression) pulls perpendicular to to 
the linear features and a block of landscape drops in relation to the 
surrounding.  On each side of the graben will be steep sloped escarpments. A 
horst is the highland between two grabens that remained at the same elevation 
of 
may have been up-thrusted.

In the example you posted the movement was a few inches/feet left and right of 
the escarpments( parallel lines) as well as a downward movement of the valley 
floor a distance I am unable to determine from the photo but could have been 
tens to hundreds of feet.  This is not a slip strike fault where the opposite 
sides are displaced laterally.

 I've read recently about contraction of the lunar crust owing to overall 
cooling producing these features.  On a lunar-wide basis when the formerly 
liquid mantle transitioned to a solid the sum total of all the nanometer sized 
compression of the space between molecules is seen on the surface as these 
grabens.  The link above shows a substantial graben on the moon.  


To read about recent graben formation on earth you might google the 1811-1812 
New Madrid Earthquare or  
and the formation of the ReelFoot lake in western Tennessee. That area lies on 
a 
failed rift where North America almost split.  I think the Reelfoot Lake basin 
came from a graben drop of only about 6 ft but left a lake of 30 square miles 
and about 3 ft /1meter deep.

Elton



- Original Message 
> From: Jerry Flaherty 
> To: Ron Baalke ; Meteorite Mailing List 
>
> Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 8:22:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: October 4-8, 2010
> 
> A little geologic help please.
> In the image "Alba Mons Tectonics" could  someone elucidate and elaborate on 
> the tectonic features shown.
> Are we  looking at a rift at one or both parallel "lines" depicted and if so:
> are the  lines related
> what is the direction of the movement
> what specific features  demonstrate this movement
> any other features which demonstrate tectonic  activity that I'm not seeing
> Thanks to any respondents in advance
> Jerry  Flaherty
> --
> From: "Ron Baalke" 
> Sent:  Friday, October 08, 2010 5:55 PM
> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" 
> Subject:  [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: October 4-8,  2010
> 
> >
> > MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
> > October 4-8,  2010
> >
> > o Wind Erosion (04 October 2010)
> >   http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20101004a
> >
> > o Pavonis Mons (05 October  2010)
> >  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20101005a
> >
> > o Wind  Texture (06 October 2010)
> >   http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20101006a
> >
> > o Central Peak Crater (07  October 2010)
> >  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20101007a
> >
> >  o Alba Mons Tectonics (08 October 2010)
> >   http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20101008a
> >
> >
> > All of the THEMIS  images are archived here:
> >
> >  http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html
> >
> > NASA's Jet Propulsion  Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission
> > for NASA's Office of  Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission
> > Imaging System  (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
> > Tempe, in co.oration  with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing.
> > The THEMIS investigation is  led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State
> > University. Lockheed  Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor
> > for the Odyssey  project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission
> > operations are  conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a
> > division of the  California Institute of Technology in Pasadena.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought

[Steve Witt]

Elton,

Well said.

Steve


Steve Witt
IMCA #9020
http://imca.cc/


--- On Sat, 10/9/10, MEM  wrote:

> From: MEM 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought
> To: davidgunn...@fairpoint.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Saturday, October 9, 2010, 11:28 AM
> Dear Dave-- were I inclined I could
> go back in the list archives and fine 20 or 
> more flash-in-the-pan  EX list members who came in
> like a bull elephant, 
> throwing around all types of  ill-formed demands, or
> egotistical proclamations 
> and after not getting the attention they demanded ranted
> out some monologue as 
> to what a substandard list this is.
> 
> What made you specify that "dealers" were all you
> sought--was below the noise 
> level to bother with. And why now complain that the rest of
> the list didn't 
> answer you--Are  you under the misconception the this
> is a list mainly of 
> dealers?   I don't know which dealers who
> responded but how do you know they 
> were "professional" dealers?  Getting more than 1
> person offering to do business 
> based on your original post is quiet successful.
> 
> So get a clue--if you want assistance on specific questions
> just ask.  We were 
> all novices once and if you don't come in here ranting like
> you are owed our 
> undivided attention and just ask your specific question you
> might get what you 
> need-- if not what you want.   (Pray tell
> what are other "celestial objects 
> mainly meteorites?" are you talking about?)
> 
> Let me take this opportunity to remind you that if you
> don't like the way we do 
> business and elect to join the list of other EX list
> members and you are going 
> to loudly announce your taking leave of us... take care to
> not let the door hit 
> you in the tushie on your way out...
> 
> Elton
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> > From: David Gunning 
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:50:11 PM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer
> Sought
> > 
> > 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > After an initial responsive surge of 6
> "professional"  meteorite dealers
> > to my ad seeking same, the surge has, apparently,
> subsided.  Dried-up. 
> > Gone kaput.  So, lemme see, out of a total list
> membership  of, what, 950,
> > or so, members, and with six acknowledged
> professional  meteorite dealers,
> > (and other celestial objects dealers) amongst your
> ranks,  that would be a
> > ratio of 950 to 6 for an estimated percentage value of
> less  that 1% total
> > of professional dealers who view themselves as such
> and are  willing to
> > allow themselves as being such on the list.
> > 
> > Wow, there sure  must be alot of collectors and
> scientists on the list.
> > 
> > How cool is  that?
> > 
> > Thanks, Chummies!
> > 
> > Dave  Gunning
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi Dave,

I am not really sure what you are getting at when talking of
check-lists of attributes defining professionals and scientists having
to address questions by the general public/collector? I cannot see how
the first would help anyone or how the second could ever be practical.

What it comes down to is having confidence in who you buy from or deal
with and trying to learn as much about the samples you wish to
collect.

There are very few options for the collector. In an ideal world it
would be great to have your own equipment to verify what you get or
have your own science contacts that could do that but that just isn't
going to happen. There is not enough time and very little point in
retesting small samples for individuals...it's just a waste of
resources and not productive.

Science benefits from new material being submitted by dealers and
dealers then benefit from material being verified and classified.
After that point you just have to choose dealers who have a good
reputation that are selling that classified material with provenance.
Otherwise there is no real substitute for having years of experience
studying, looking at hundreds of samples of all types in collections,
at shows, in books, online etc etc when it comes to choosing your
purchases.

It also depends on what your focus is when collecting meteorites..and
there are many different collectorssome concentrate on micros,
others planetary, types, aesthetic qualities etc etc. Science is
important in some more than others. I, for instance, like nothing
better than searching through a box of UNWA material at a show looking
for something aesthetically pleasing, showing flight markings or an
unusual shape or matrixsomething that may tell a story about it's
flight through the atmosphereevidence of impact craters on sikhote
alins.( I have even managed this by studying batches for sale on line)
Knowing what to buy then just relies on your own experience.

Regards,

Graham







On 9 October 2010 12:50, David Gunning  wrote:
>
> Hi Graham UK,
>
> The last time I looked there was no check-list of attributes defining
> what it means to be a "professional" meteorite dealer.
>
> The more I learn about the IMCA, and how it presents itself as a quasi
> enforcer of honest meteorite dealings between it's membership and the
> meteorite collecting community, at large, the more I like what I see.
>
> That is not to say, however, that I would want to subscribe to it's
> tenets of extreme trust that it's membership, you included, appears to
> crow about in place of solid verifiable scientific mineralogical evidence
> when purchasing meteorites, where and whenever possible.
>
> One of the difficulties, seems to me, is that the scientists, generally
> speaking, are too deeply insulated from having to address the questions
> and concerns of us mere ordinary mortals, non IMCA members.
> Professionalism, at it's best, means addressing those devilish details
> that don't always quite square-up, in my view.  Science, at it's best,
> should be verifiable and evidence based for even us ordinary mere
> mortals, don't you suppose?
>
> Verifiably yours,
>
> Dave Gunning
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I think you will find in time that many of the most "professional"
>> meteorite dealers as you call them do not have to sell themselves hard
>> on the list or to individuals as they have built up their reputations
>> over many years and do not need to. There are many who deal
>> "professionally" too but have other main professions not related to
>> meteorites. Very few in the world hunt and deal full time and many
>> many excellent dealers are part timemany only use the list very
>> occasionally.
>>
>> You may well have been contacted by 6 "professional" dealers but I
>> would take my time. Look around and study carefully what is on offer
>> that fits your needs from a wider field. Compare prices, quality and
>> check out the archives. It takes a while I have found.
>>
>> I find the vast majority of people on the list are very "professional"
>> as collectors, scientists or dealers and as such any one of them may
>> be willing to help you out if you have a specific item you are after.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Graham UK IMCA#1835
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 October 2010 22:50, David Gunning 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> After an initial responsive surge of 6 "professional" meteorite dealers
>>> to my ad seeking same, the surge has, apparently, subsided. Dried-up.
>>> Gone kaput.  So, lemme see, out of a total list membership of, what,
>>> 950,
>>> or so, members, and with six acknowledged professional meteorite
>>> dealers,
>>> (and other celestial objects dealers) amongst your ranks, that would be
>>> a
>>> ratio of 950 to 6 for an estimated percentage value of less that 1%
>>> total
>>> of professional dealers who view themselves as such and are willing to
>>> allow themselves as being such on the list.
>>>
>>> Wow, there sure must be alot of collectors and scientists

Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought

[Count Deiro]

David said in part, " That is not to say...I would want to subscribeto its 
tenets of extreme trust...that its membership appears to crow about in place of 
solid verifiable scientific mineralogical evidence..." 

I think we move to far afield in our expectations of what the members of IMCA 
have agreed to vis a vis statements of classification and provenance of 
meteorites in sales and trades.. Members of IMCA have agreed publicly to not 
engage in dishonesty in the dealing of meteorites. This goes to the guarantees 
of classification and provenance ONLY to the extent that the IMCA member is 
aware of the validity of those data.  

IMCA members hold the banner of membership up to tell those who deal with them 
that they can expect fairness and truth when dealing with them. If IMCA is an 
enforcer of anything, it is that the elected Board of Directors can deny an 
application for membership, or excommunicate, or punish for cause, a member who 
has been found to not be honest and fair in their dealings.

Regards to all,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536 

-Original Message-
>From: David Gunning 
>Sent: Oct 9, 2010 4:50 AM
>To: e-mail ensoramanda 
>Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought
>
>
>Hi Graham UK,
>
>The last time I looked there was no check-list of attributes defining
>what it means to be a "professional" meteorite dealer.
>
>The more I learn about the IMCA, and how it presents itself as a quasi
>enforcer of honest meteorite dealings between it's membership and the 
>meteorite collecting community, at large, the more I like what I see.
>
>That is not to say, however, that I would want to subscribe to it's
>tenets of extreme trust that it's membership, you included, appears to
>crow about in place of solid verifiable scientific mineralogical evidence
>when purchasing meteorites, where and whenever possible.
>
>One of the difficulties, seems to me, is that the scientists, generally
>speaking, are too deeply insulated from having to address the questions
>and concerns of us mere ordinary mortals, non IMCA members.
>Professionalism, at it's best, means addressing those devilish details
>that don't always quite square-up, in my view.  Science, at it's best,
>should be verifiable and evidence based for even us ordinary mere
>mortals, don't you suppose?
>
>Verifiably yours,
>
>Dave Gunning
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I think you will find in time that many of the most "professional"
>> meteorite dealers as you call them do not have to sell themselves hard
>> on the list or to individuals as they have built up their reputations
>> over many years and do not need to. There are many who deal
>> "professionally" too but have other main professions not related to
>> meteorites. Very few in the world hunt and deal full time and many
>> many excellent dealers are part timemany only use the list very
>> occasionally.
>>
>> You may well have been contacted by 6 "professional" dealers but I
>> would take my time. Look around and study carefully what is on offer
>> that fits your needs from a wider field. Compare prices, quality and
>> check out the archives. It takes a while I have found.
>>
>> I find the vast majority of people on the list are very "professional"
>> as collectors, scientists or dealers and as such any one of them may
>> be willing to help you out if you have a specific item you are after.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Graham UK IMCA#1835
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 October 2010 22:50, David Gunning 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> After an initial responsive surge of 6 "professional" meteorite dealers
>>> to my ad seeking same, the surge has, apparently, subsided. Dried-up.
>>> Gone kaput.  So, lemme see, out of a total list membership of, what,
>>> 950,
>>> or so, members, and with six acknowledged professional meteorite
>>> dealers,
>>> (and other celestial objects dealers) amongst your ranks, that would be
>>> a
>>> ratio of 950 to 6 for an estimated percentage value of less that 1%
>>> total
>>> of professional dealers who view themselves as such and are willing to
>>> allow themselves as being such on the list.
>>>
>>> Wow, there sure must be alot of collectors and scientists on the list.
>>>
>>> How cool is that?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Chummies!
>>>
>>> Dave Gunning
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought

[MEM]

Dear Dave-- were I inclined I could go back in the list archives and fine 20 or 
more flash-in-the-pan  EX list members who came in like a bull elephant, 
throwing around all types of  ill-formed demands, or egotistical proclamations 
and after not getting the attention they demanded ranted out some monologue as 
to what a substandard list this is.

What made you specify that "dealers" were all you sought--was below the noise 
level to bother with. And why now complain that the rest of the list didn't 
answer you--Are  you under the misconception the this is a list mainly of 
dealers?   I don't know which dealers who responded but how do you know they 
were "professional" dealers?  Getting more than 1 person offering to do 
business 
based on your original post is quiet successful.

So get a clue--if you want assistance on specific questions just ask.  We were 
all novices once and if you don't come in here ranting like you are owed our 
undivided attention and just ask your specific question you might get what you 
need-- if not what you want.   (Pray tell what are other "celestial objects 
mainly meteorites?" are you talking about?)

Let me take this opportunity to remind you that if you don't like the way we do 
business and elect to join the list of other EX list members and you are going 
to loudly announce your taking leave of us... take care to not let the door hit 
you in the tushie on your way out...

Elton




- Original Message 
> From: David Gunning 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:50:11 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> After an initial responsive surge of 6 "professional"  meteorite dealers
> to my ad seeking same, the surge has, apparently, subsided.  Dried-up. 
> Gone kaput.  So, lemme see, out of a total list membership  of, what, 950,
> or so, members, and with six acknowledged professional  meteorite dealers,
> (and other celestial objects dealers) amongst your ranks,  that would be a
> ratio of 950 to 6 for an estimated percentage value of less  that 1% total
> of professional dealers who view themselves as such and are  willing to
> allow themselves as being such on the list.
> 
> Wow, there sure  must be alot of collectors and scientists on the list.
> 
> How cool is  that?
> 
> Thanks, Chummies!
> 
> Dave  Gunning
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought

[David Gunning]

Hi Graham UK,

The last time I looked there was no check-list of attributes defining
what it means to be a "professional" meteorite dealer.

The more I learn about the IMCA, and how it presents itself as a quasi
enforcer of honest meteorite dealings between it's membership and the 
meteorite collecting community, at large, the more I like what I see.

That is not to say, however, that I would want to subscribe to it's
tenets of extreme trust that it's membership, you included, appears to
crow about in place of solid verifiable scientific mineralogical evidence
when purchasing meteorites, where and whenever possible.

One of the difficulties, seems to me, is that the scientists, generally
speaking, are too deeply insulated from having to address the questions
and concerns of us mere ordinary mortals, non IMCA members.
Professionalism, at it's best, means addressing those devilish details
that don't always quite square-up, in my view.  Science, at it's best,
should be verifiable and evidence based for even us ordinary mere
mortals, don't you suppose?

Verifiably yours,

Dave Gunning








> Hi Dave,
>
> I think you will find in time that many of the most "professional"
> meteorite dealers as you call them do not have to sell themselves hard
> on the list or to individuals as they have built up their reputations
> over many years and do not need to. There are many who deal
> "professionally" too but have other main professions not related to
> meteorites. Very few in the world hunt and deal full time and many
> many excellent dealers are part timemany only use the list very
> occasionally.
>
> You may well have been contacted by 6 "professional" dealers but I
> would take my time. Look around and study carefully what is on offer
> that fits your needs from a wider field. Compare prices, quality and
> check out the archives. It takes a while I have found.
>
> I find the vast majority of people on the list are very "professional"
> as collectors, scientists or dealers and as such any one of them may
> be willing to help you out if you have a specific item you are after.
>
> Regards
>
> Graham UK IMCA#1835
>
>
>
> On 8 October 2010 22:50, David Gunning 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> After an initial responsive surge of 6 "professional" meteorite dealers
>> to my ad seeking same, the surge has, apparently, subsided. Dried-up.
>> Gone kaput.  So, lemme see, out of a total list membership of, what,
>> 950,
>> or so, members, and with six acknowledged professional meteorite
>> dealers,
>> (and other celestial objects dealers) amongst your ranks, that would be
>> a
>> ratio of 950 to 6 for an estimated percentage value of less that 1%
>> total
>> of professional dealers who view themselves as such and are willing to
>> allow themselves as being such on the list.
>>
>> Wow, there sure must be alot of collectors and scientists on the list.
>>
>> How cool is that?
>>
>> Thanks, Chummies!
>>
>> Dave Gunning
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor breaks up into three pieces

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Excellent shot Richardoutstanding!

Graham, UK

> - Original Message - From: "Richard Kowalski" 
> To: "meteorite list" 
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 6:38 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor breaks up into three pieces
>
>
>> I was at the Catalina Schmidt telescope last night. Meteors we flying,
>> many apparently Draconids due to the peak of that shower.
>>
>> In several survey frames throughout the night meteors were visible. Not a
>> rarity as we catch a few every night. Last night I had a spectacular meteor
>> cross the field as it split into three parts.
>>
>> See the image here:
>>
>> http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~kowalski/interesting_events.html
>>
>> Enjoy
>>
>> --
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