[meteorite-list] You Naysaying Denialists Are All Wrong, Dowsing Works!
First off, let me say that all you naysaying dowser denialists need to get
off your high horses, come down from your ivory towers and enter the realm
of simple, reproducible, empirical evidence-based experimental scientific
methodology instead of parroting dogmatic drivel and appealing to the
authority of idiots. I don't think I've ever seen such a display of
psuedo-intellectual arrogance and phony elitism in my life. (Well, ok, once
or twice I have). I never thought I'd live to see the day a List member
would speak thusly of St. Albert, {1} and I quote C.P. : His opinion should
not impress anybody. {2} As if the puny intellect of anyone here is but the
beginnings of a pimple on the left butt cheek of Albert Einstein.
The dowser denialist nattering nabobs of negativity owe an apology to Warren
Sansoucie, (also known as Warren Peace), his dad, my dad, grandad and
greatgrandpa (three generations {3} of dowsers and damn proud of it), and to
all the nameless, faceless and voiceless dowsing utility workers and
plumbers everywhere. And a shout-out and word of thanks to that voice in the
wilderness counseling rationality and scientific method, Dr. Vann from the
prestigious University of Pennsylvania.
Speaking of experimental scientific method, I would like to propose a
simple, reproducible experiment that can be performed by any genius,
near-genius, idiot or near-idiot. Now, before shooting off your mouth and
saying: That Joshua Tree Museum guy knows not of what he speaketh! please
take an hour or so and do this experiment. Trust me, you will be amazed.
I will bet dollars to doughnuts that not a single one of the vociferous,
self-important dowser denialists has ever actually dowsed. Your ignorance is
revealed by your words. When I say dowsing, I'm not talking about that
flakey New Age, divinatory, radiesthesia, occult crap. I'm talking about an
objective, observable, factual phenomenon that anyone can see with their own
two eyes. (Unless they're doing it as an actual blind experiment and are
blind-folded.)
Get yourself a pair of L-shaped divining rods. {4} Any kind of bendable
wire will work. I used the first thing I found laying around the shop and it
works perfectly. For purposes of balance, hold the longer part of the
L-shaped rod in your hands with the shorter part projecting forward, or
vice-versa, whatever works for you. The rods must be gripped properly for
this to work. They must be held loosely so they can move freely of their own
accord. If you grip them too tightly, the experiment won't work.
This is the traditional closed-fist grip:
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/closed-fist.jpg
I came up with this one myself, I call it the claw-hammer:
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/claw-hammer.jpg
Hold the rods parallel to each other and parallel to the ground. Now for
the fun part: hold the rods over a large iron meteorite, {5}and watch them
cross all by themselves. Approach the meteorite from a different angle and
watch as the rods cross as if by magic. It's as simple as that. You may have
to get down close to the meteorite (depending on the type), for the rods to
cross. Campos, Sikhote-Alines, Diablos and Gibeons will make the rods cross
vigorously and quickly. Muonions will make the rods cross very slowly. I
had my wife and mother-in-law try it and the rods crossed for them. Oddly,
the rods wouldn't cross over one single Campo out of 10 tested. I got no
reaction out of pallasites, including a Seymchan that is mostly iron. The
rods wouldn't cross over the few stone NWAs that I tested. Tomorrow I'm
going to test more meteorites and shoot some video of the experiment.
I then tested a pyrite meteorwrong, a big slab of float copper, and a dozen
or so large crystal cluster with no reaction. I held the rods over an iron
corn stove and they crossed so hard they almost jumped out of my hands. I
walked outside and held the rods over a steel wheel, an iron fence, several
cars, and a pile of scrap iron, each time they crossed without any help from
me. I walked over to a fire hydrant and they crossed over it. I walked
around the hydrant and they crossed over the underground pipe. I could see
the pipe cover in the middle of the street. I walked out to it and crossed
over the underground pipe several times, each time the rods crossed. Two
kids walking a dog asked me what I was doing. I explained about dowsing and
the underground pipe. I asked them to try it. Sure enough the rods crossed
when they passed over the pipe. I then went up to the gas meter and could
detect the underground pipe going out from the building, under the parking
lot and could follow it as it ran between the street and sidewalk. I then
went back into the building and with the rods I could tell you exactly where
the gas, water and sewer pipes are. I'm going to try this with some
blind-folded people tomorrow.
I would like to ask each and every
[meteorite-list] dowsing for meteorites--had to try it
I've watched this thread with some bemusement I must admit.Having never tried this dowsing lark I automatically dismissed it as bunkum.But I have just conducted an admittedly short and not very scientifically sound experiment also with large meteorites.Amazingly the rods do cross over my 6 kilo Gibeon and even my little 630gram Canyon Diablo.However they also crossed over 2 large stone meteorites that I tested both in the 3700 gram range.Weird Jim Brady __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Unbrecciated Aubrite! NWA 6350 prov Shallowater......
Hi Greg, many thanks for the congrats! Of course, 34 years Antarctic campaigns and only 2 different aubrites found there; 20 years Sahara and 10 years Oman, also only 2 different aubrites... But not only due this absurd rareness, that little stone is in our internal VIP-meteorite-ranking settled quite near the top, it's moreover the characteristics of the material itself! We confess, that our Ad was a little bit inapt, as probably only the experts recognized immediately, what we have there. In fact it would have been easier and sufficient, just to write two catchphrases: UNBRECCIATEDSHALLOWATER You know, ALL aubrites were so far heftily brecciated, destroyed, shocked, annealed, partially molten, partially morphed and metamorphed, brecciated, brecciated and brecciated - with all the implications about their precursor material, - El Haggouina's initially misclassification was no accident, melt an E-chondrite and you get out something very similar to an aubrite - and their possible parent bodies, small, large, differentiated, chondritic, catastrophic collisions, regolith formation,... in space one is looking, Steins or the Hungaria-Family ect. pp. ALL but one. Shallowater! The one and only originally preserved aubrite - the unbrecciated one. And Shallowater was s alone. So alone, that in former times, it got even a suffix -an added behind the AUB: Now Shallowater got a little sister and a little brother: NWA 5217/6350. And it's amazing. We read, that the little enstatites in Shallowater hadn't grown randomly in all directions, but they show a preferred orientation, which means they grew under gravitational influence - which in turn means, that the parent body have had to be fairly large. 100km. It's always astonishing, what you can read out from such a little stone. See, Shallowater looks in several ways similar to NWA 6350. TCU-specimen, photo Geoff Notkin: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/get_original_photo.php?recno=5637847 Close-up - Hey Madame Anne has just two Shallowaters for sale! (It's fairlyvery difficult to get any.) http://www.impactika.com/catpix/AA043.jpg Small slice, we had once: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/shallowater-0.455g.jpg ...if you'd ask us, we would say, that NWA 6350 is maybe a slight idea fresher than Shallowater. (and it seems to be mineralogically also somewhat more interesting, but the research isn't finished yet). Well, and there we see it, even the most inveterate historics collector has to admit, in what for meteoritically happy fantastic years we're living right now! And again and again we can't only appeal and pray for reason among the responsible persons, that they keep the deserts open!! For such stones, see Antarctica, see NWA, see Dho you need terrific large find numbers, until once such a find will be among them. And really most researchers don't want to play only with a handful of weathered new L6s or H5s a year. MetSoc, scientists, collectors, curators - we all need your help, that we won't destroy for ourselves all that, what we so laboriously, but also so fantastically have built up these years. It's only a pity, that NWA 5217 wasn't available and that NWA 6350 was such a small stone too. So to collectively answer all requests, it's sold out. Though - cause it's a little bit unfair, that we explained the stone now a little better: There is still HOPE! We still wait for the final o.k. by a researcher, for whom we had reserved the 12.5g partial endcut: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/nwa6350-12.506g-end.JPG http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/nwa6350-12.506g-end-2.JPG We can't promise anything right now, because politeness requires to wait still some days more, but maybe maybe it will be free again and available. So it's possible to secure an option on it, for that case. At 60$/g - a tenth of the Shallowater price. Desert made it possible. All the best! Martin Stefan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von gmh...@htn.net Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. Oktober 2010 05:29 An: n...@chladnis-heirs.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Special: A New, unusual and Unbrecciated Aubrite! NWA 6350 prov Hi Martin and List, Congratulations to Martin and Stefan for your latest aubrite discovery and becoming members of the NWA Aubrite Club! :-) I am glad my NWA 4799 aubrite is with great company. For anyone interested in a couple of 'images' of NWA 4799, here are some links I posted to the Met List in Feb. 2008: NWA 4799 - The first TRUE Aubrite from Northwest Africa (as Martin stated earlier): Image of 26.7 gram polished half of largest stone: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4799/nwa4799a.jpg Image of large whitish enstatite grains at 26x magnification: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4799/nwa4799c.jpg Image of large enstatite grain and veins of goethite from
Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid orbital evolution
Excellent explanation by Rob M (..as we are used to always get from him..)! Cheers, Alex Von meinem iPhone gesendet Am 15.10.2010 um 18:43 schrieb Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com : Hi Bob and List, When I give presentations to groups about meteorites, I often get asked this question, After all this time, what would cause an asteroid to depart from its orbital confines in the asteroid belt and to end up crossing the Earth's orbit? Now I can give a graphical answer by pointing to the (new) images in this most recent article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1320385/Asteroid-collisi on-90million-miles-Earth-caught-NASA-camera.html (Massive collision between two asteroids 90 million miles from Earth caught on camera for first time) While collisions in the Main Belt provide a potential mechanism for producing asteroids in earth-crossing orbits, this is not the main source of near-earth asteroids. Usually, Main Belt inter-asteroid collision velocities are quite slow (a few hundred meters per second), which is far too low a delta-V to transform a Main Belt orbit into a planet-crossing one. The real delivery mechanism is orbital resonance, the most efficient of which is the nu-6 secular resonance. (When the Greek letter nu is transcribed to English, you'll usually see this resonance written as v6.) The v6 resonance zone is at a distance of roughly 2 a.u., and the most likely asteroid family to inject asteroids into the v6 resonance is the well-populated Flora family. Once in the v6 resonance zone, the eccentricity of an asteroid's orbit starts to get pumped up: as the centuries go by, the orbit shape becomes less circular and instead more elongated. The asteroid's perihelion progressively decreases from 2 a.u., to 1.9, 1.8, 1.7 and so on, while its most distant point from the sun progressively increases (2.1, 2.2, etc.) Eventually, the perihelion has decreased so much that the asteroid crosses Mars' orbit (mean distance 1.52 a.u.), possibly even impacting Mars itself, or getting flung by Mars' gravity into an even more eccentric orbit that crosses that of earth. This series of events is the main way that meteorites are delivered to earth. To summarize: 1. Inter-asteroid collisions in the Main Belt produce asteroids with orbits that evolve into Flora-like orbits (inner Main Belt) 2. Further collisions or perturbations of inner Main Belt objects nudges them into the nearby v6 secular resonance. 3. v6 secular resonance operates quickly (roughly a million years), transforming the orbit into a Mars-crossing one. 4. One or more close encounters with Mars further perturb the orbit into an earth-crossing one. 5. Eventually the earth-crossing asteroid and the earth itself happen to be at the same place at the same time and voila: meteorites! The most common meteorites on earth (L chondrites, representing 38% of all meteorites) are believed to have come directly from the Flora family. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] vaca muerta euc- what is it?
i have several pieces of vaca muerta eucrite. it is not like any of the other euc (soft, granite appearance, white). this is very hard , has a compressed granular textue and is homogenous- all one type of mineral. it is glass/ olivine -like and take a very hi polish. what is this mineral? why is it called a Eucrite since it does not resemble any of the other ones out there? are there other eucrites made of this material? if so got pix? any info or additional other pix of this or other eucrites made of this material appreciated. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Special: New subtype - the First L-Metachondrite - NWA 6348 prov.
Dear meteorite enthusiasts, Today we release already the next stunning Special. The differences and relations between PACs, 7ers and metachondrites were already once in detail discussed here on the list, - for those not remembering so well, we like always recommend David Weirs Meteorite Studies: http://www.meteoritestudies.com/ Therefore this Special and this new meteorite doesnt require a such verbose introduction like usually. So far there were LL-, H-, CM- and CR-metachondrites, funny enough L-metachondrites were still missing. With NWA 6348 prov. we announce: Mission accomplished. NWA 6348 was one stone, found this year, with a weight of 136g. Averagely shocked with S3, nevertheless displaying various shock zones and veins, and with W2 somewhat less weathered than the average. Here you have all specimens. Prices: 50$/g for the small polished slices from 3g to 10g. 40$/g for specimens 10g. (The main mass is currently on hold). http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/special-nwa6348.html Have a fine weekend! Stefan Ralew Martin Altmann Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin Fine Meteorites for Science Collectors http://www.chladnis-heirs.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] vaca muerta euc- what is it?
thanks- will save this info. - Original Message From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: mckinney trammell bigpineartifa...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, October 16, 2010 9:55:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] vaca muerta euc- what is it? Hi Mckinney, It's been suggested that mesosiderites are the result of a collision of a parent body containing eucrite material and core material. The result is a melting of the material and forming the nearly equal parts of metal to silicate. There is a lot that is not understood yet about this class, but it is thought it could have impacted when the core of a asteroid was still molten with material from the eucrite parent body. Because of this it is possible that some of the material was melted (as in your Vaca sample) into a glassy material. I believe there is an absence of olivine in mesosiderites. McSween book is a good source for chemical makeup of various types of meteorites. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: mckinney trammell bigpineartifa...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 9:21 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] vaca muerta euc- what is it? i have several pieces of vaca muerta eucrite. it is not like any of the other euc (soft, granite appearance, white). this is very hard , has a compressed granular textue and is homogenous- all one type of mineral. it is glass/ olivine -like and take a very hi polish. what is this mineral? why is it called a Eucrite since it does not resemble any of the other ones out there? are there other eucrites made of this material? if so got pix? any info or additional other pix of this or other eucrites made of this material appreciated. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] vaca muerta euc- what is it?
Hi Mckinney, It's been suggested that mesosiderites are the result of a collision of a parent body containing eucrite material and core material. The result is a melting of the material and forming the nearly equal parts of metal to silicate. There is a lot that is not understood yet about this class, but it is thought it could have impacted when the core of a asteroid was still molten with material from the eucrite parent body. Because of this it is possible that some of the material was melted (as in your Vaca sample) into a glassy material. I believe there is an absence of olivine in mesosiderites. McSween book is a good source for chemical makeup of various types of meteorites. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: mckinney trammell bigpineartifa...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 9:21 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] vaca muerta euc- what is it? i have several pieces of vaca muerta eucrite. it is not like any of the other euc (soft, granite appearance, white). this is very hard , has a compressed granular textue and is homogenous- all one type of mineral. it is glass/ olivine -like and take a very hi polish. what is this mineral? why is it called a Eucrite since it does not resemble any of the other ones out there? are there other eucrites made of this material? if so got pix? any info or additional other pix of this or other eucrites made of this material appreciated. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] dowsing for meteorites--had to try it
Dowsing this way has always been an amusing party trick, like a Ouija board. It takes an imperceptible shift in position to make the rods move, so all sorts of unconscious cues can make it happen. As a result, the rods seem to have a mind of their own. But the important thing to realize is that they only work in a situation when the operator has enough information to control them- even if that control is unconscious. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 4:44 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] dowsing for meteorites--had to try it I've watched this thread with some bemusement I must admit.Having never tried this dowsing lark I automatically dismissed it as bunkum.But I have just conducted an admittedly short and not very scientifically sound experiment also with large meteorites.Amazingly the rods do cross over my 6 kilo Gibeon and even my little 630gram Canyon Diablo.However they also crossed over 2 large stone meteorites that I tested both in the 3700 gram range.Weird Jim Brady __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] You Naysaying Denialists Are All Wrong, Dowsing Works!
I don't appreciate having words put in my mouth. I did not say Einstein's
opinion should not impress anybody; I said his opinion about dowsing was no
better than anybody else's, since he had made no special study of the matter
at all. Indeed, all he said in the quote what that he couldn't say how it
could possibly work, except to speculate on unknown mechanisms.
The fact that dowsing does not work is well documented. But again, if you
are so certain it works, you should be taking advantage of Randi's offer.
It's a simple enough test.
I have held dowsing rods and walked around with them. I learned nothing,
except how easily they wave around. I do say, dowsing doesn't work for
locating anything, unless you already know where it is. To show the power of
the unconscious, you can mark a spot and walk around with the rods, and
observe that they cross when you are over the marked spot (it doesn't matter
what it is- a coin, or piece of tape). But when you do it blindfolded, the
rods don't cross over the object. It is your brain that is working, not the
rods.
If you want to dowse for meteorites, go ahead. That will leave more to be
found by people who prefer to use actual, proven technological methods.
Chris
*
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
- Original Message -
From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 1:17 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] You Naysaying Denialists Are All Wrong,Dowsing
Works!
First off, let me say that all you naysaying dowser denialists need to get
off your high horses, come down from your ivory towers and enter the realm
of simple, reproducible, empirical evidence-based experimental scientific
methodology instead of parroting dogmatic drivel and appealing to the
authority of idiots. I don't think I've ever seen such a display of
psuedo-intellectual arrogance and phony elitism in my life. (Well, ok,
once or twice I have). I never thought I'd live to see the day a List
member would speak thusly of St. Albert, {1} and I quote C.P. : His
opinion should not impress anybody. {2} As if the puny intellect of
anyone here is but the beginnings of a pimple on the left butt cheek of
Albert Einstein.
The dowser denialist nattering nabobs of negativity owe an apology to
Warren Sansoucie, (also known as Warren Peace), his dad, my dad, grandad
and greatgrandpa (three generations {3} of dowsers and damn proud of it),
and to all the nameless, faceless and voiceless dowsing utility workers
and plumbers everywhere. And a shout-out and word of thanks to that voice
in the wilderness counseling rationality and scientific method, Dr. Vann
from the prestigious University of Pennsylvania.
Speaking of experimental scientific method, I would like to propose a
simple, reproducible experiment that can be performed by any genius,
near-genius, idiot or near-idiot. Now, before shooting off your mouth and
saying: That Joshua Tree Museum guy knows not of what he speaketh!
please take an hour or so and do this experiment. Trust me, you will be
amazed.
I will bet dollars to doughnuts that not a single one of the vociferous,
self-important dowser denialists has ever actually dowsed. Your ignorance
is revealed by your words. When I say dowsing, I'm not talking about that
flakey New Age, divinatory, radiesthesia, occult crap. I'm talking about
an objective, observable, factual phenomenon that anyone can see with
their own two eyes. (Unless they're doing it as an actual blind
experiment and are blind-folded.)
Get yourself a pair of L-shaped divining rods. {4} Any kind of bendable
wire will work. I used the first thing I found laying around the shop and
it works perfectly. For purposes of balance, hold the longer part of the
L-shaped rod in your hands with the shorter part projecting forward, or
vice-versa, whatever works for you. The rods must be gripped properly for
this to work. They must be held loosely so they can move freely of their
own accord. If you grip them too tightly, the experiment won't work.
This is the traditional closed-fist grip:
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/closed-fist.jpg
I came up with this one myself, I call it the claw-hammer:
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/claw-hammer.jpg
Hold the rods parallel to each other and parallel to the ground. Now for
the fun part: hold the rods over a large iron meteorite, {5}and watch them
cross all by themselves. Approach the meteorite from a different angle and
watch as the rods cross as if by magic. It's as simple as that. You may
have to get down close to the meteorite (depending on the type), for the
rods to cross. Campos, Sikhote-Alines, Diablos and Gibeons will make the
rods cross vigorously and quickly. Muonions will make the rods cross very
slowly. I had my wife and mother-in-law try it and the
[meteorite-list] Super Deal!!!
Hi Dowsers! I have a great deal on a UAR probe. I want to trade it for a good used Minelab Explorer. This thing is amazing! Just load what you want to find in the chamber and away you go. Gold, diamonds, LL's, H's, pallisites, water or whatever the search requires. I'll even pick up the freight, my loss, your gain!!! Dennis Miller See web site, http://simmonsscientificproducts.com/universal_antenna_rod.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] You Naysaying Denialists Are All Wrong, Dowsing Works!
Phil,
I'm a bit confused. If dowsing is so effective as you describe, why would
anyone spend all that money on a metal detector? A couple of bent coat hangers
cost a lot less, not to mention the reduction in weight makes searching a
meteorite strewnfield all day long much less tiring!
I can't imagine anyone doing it any other way. You've convinced me that all
those non-dowsers are not only idiots, but masochists too!
Mike Fowler
Chicago
First off, let me say that all you naysaying dowser denialists need to get
off your high horses, come down from your ivory towers and enter the realm
of simple, reproducible, empirical evidence-based experimental scientific
methodology instead of parroting dogmatic drivel and appealing to the
authority of idiots. I don't think I've ever seen such a display of
psuedo-intellectual arrogance and phony elitism in my life. (Well, ok, once
or twice I have). I never thought I'd live to see the day a List member
would speak thusly of St. Albert, {1} and I quote C.P. : His opinion should
not impress anybody. {2} As if the puny intellect of anyone here is but the
beginnings of a pimple on the left butt cheek of Albert Einstein.
The dowser denialist nattering nabobs of negativity owe an apology to Warren
Sansoucie, (also known as Warren Peace), his dad, my dad, grandad and
greatgrandpa (three generations {3} of dowsers and damn proud of it), and to
all the nameless, faceless and voiceless dowsing utility workers and
plumbers everywhere. And a shout-out and word of thanks to that voice in the
wilderness counseling rationality and scientific method, Dr. Vann from the
prestigious University of Pennsylvania.
Speaking of experimental scientific method, I would like to propose a
simple, reproducible experiment that can be performed by any genius,
near-genius, idiot or near-idiot. Now, before shooting off your mouth and
saying: That Joshua Tree Museum guy knows not of what he speaketh! please
take an hour or so and do this experiment. Trust me, you will be amazed.
I will bet dollars to doughnuts that not a single one of the vociferous,
self-important dowser denialists has ever actually dowsed. Your ignorance is
revealed by your words. When I say dowsing, I'm not talking about that
flakey New Age, divinatory, radiesthesia, occult crap. I'm talking about an
objective, observable, factual phenomenon that anyone can see with their own
two eyes. (Unless they're doing it as an actual blind experiment and are
blind-folded.)
Get yourself a pair of L-shaped divining rods. {4} Any kind of bendable
wire will work. I used the first thing I found laying around the shop and it
works perfectly. For purposes of balance, hold the longer part of the
L-shaped rod in your hands with the shorter part projecting forward, or
vice-versa, whatever works for you. The rods must be gripped properly for
this to work. They must be held loosely so they can move freely of their own
accord. If you grip them too tightly, the experiment won't work.
This is the traditional closed-fist grip:
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/closed-fist.jpg
I came up with this one myself, I call it the claw-hammer:
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/claw-hammer.jpg
Hold the rods parallel to each other and parallel to the ground. Now for
the fun part: hold the rods over a large iron meteorite, {5}and watch them
cross all by themselves. Approach the meteorite from a different angle and
watch as the rods cross as if by magic. It's as simple as that. You may have
to get down close to the meteorite (depending on the type), for the rods to
cross. Campos, Sikhote-Alines, Diablos and Gibeons will make the rods cross
vigorously and quickly. Muonions will make the rods cross very slowly. I
had my wife and mother-in-law try it and the rods crossed for them. Oddly,
the rods wouldn't cross over one single Campo out of 10 tested. I got no
reaction out of pallasites, including a Seymchan that is mostly iron. The
rods wouldn't cross over the few stone NWAs that I tested. Tomorrow I'm
going to test more meteorites and shoot some video of the experiment.
I then tested a pyrite meteorwrong, a big slab of float copper, and a dozen
or so large crystal cluster with no reaction. I held the rods over an iron
corn stove and they crossed so hard they almost jumped out of my hands. I
walked outside and held the rods over a steel wheel, an iron fence, several
cars, and a pile of scrap iron, each time they crossed without any help from
me. I walked over to a fire hydrant and they crossed over it. I walked
around the hydrant and they crossed over the underground pipe. I could see
the pipe cover in the middle of the street. I walked out to it and crossed
over the underground pipe several times, each time the rods crossed. Two
kids walking a dog asked me what I was doing. I explained about
Re: [meteorite-list] You Naysaying Denialists Are All Wrong, Dowsing Works!
Hi everyone. Looks like Phil went from being a skeptic to a believer just by trying it out. Dowsing does not work for everyone. A mine lab detector doesnt always work in highly mineralised ground either. The million dollar test requires trying to find over 75%non conductive or inductive materials. Sounds like the witch hunts of days gone by. Load the witch down with a bag of rocks and if the witch dont float its a witch. If the dowser cant find a barrel of gasoline in a plastic barrel then dowsing dont work. I think if a person spent the time to learn dowsing they could find iron meteorites. But the electronics of metal detectors is ooh so much easier. Cheers Steve Dunklee __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Vaca Muerta euc- what is it?
AL kindly wrote: I believe there is an absence of olivine in mesosiderites. Objection, Your Honor! Norton O.R. (2002) The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites, p. 157: Accessory amounts of olivine are also present in mesosiderites ...the mineralogy of the silicate portion...is ...orthopyroxene and plagioclase with minor amounts of olivine. Norton O.R. (2008) Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites, p.173: a) Figure 8.10: Estherville...Silicates include olivine, pyroxene, and plagioclase... b) Figure 8.11: Vaca Muerta...Like Estherville, it contains eucritic pebbles and many silicate inclusions... T.H. Burbine et al. (1996) Mantle material in the main belt: Battered to bits (Meteoritics 31-5, 1996, 607-620, p. 609): Mesosiderites are stony-iron meteorites containing Ni-rich Fe metal and mafic silicates (Floran, 1978). The amount of metal has been found to vary from 17 to 80 wt% but is usually between 40 to 60% (Mason and Jarosewich, 1973). The silicates are mainly orthopyroxene and plagioclase with lesser amounts of other silicates such as pigeonite and olivine (Floran, 1978). By the way, a few years ago, Martinez Rodrigo offered thin Vaca Muerta slices with predominantly eucritic components and / or olivine crystals. Some of the olivine-rich slices were cut so thinly that they were even translucent when held up against the light. Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] You Naysaying Denialists Are All Wrong, Dowsing Works!
There was also an interesting experiment, http://img.tfd.com/wn/14/5F84E-mesmerism.gif that 95% of all cats tested reacted on a dowsing pendulum. http://www.funnycatpix.com/_pics/Cat_Playing_Catch808.jpg -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Steve Dunklee Gesendet: Samstag, 16. Oktober 2010 18:46 An: mqfow...@mac.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] You Naysaying Denialists Are All Wrong, Dowsing Works! Hi everyone. Looks like Phil went from being a skeptic to a believer just by trying it out. Dowsing does not work for everyone. A mine lab detector doesnt always work in highly mineralised ground either. The million dollar test requires trying to find over 75%non conductive or inductive materials. Sounds like the witch hunts of days gone by. Load the witch down with a bag of rocks and if the witch dont float its a witch. If the dowser cant find a barrel of gasoline in a plastic barrel then dowsing dont work. I think if a person spent the time to learn dowsing they could find iron meteorites. But the electronics of metal detectors is ooh so much easier. Cheers Steve Dunklee __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] You Naysaying Denialists Are All Wrong, Dowsing Works!
It is your brain that is working, not the rods.
Chris, you even though you are right, you're in a generous mood today!
I dowse with a single metal detector rod and that strange box and loop
attached to it. I've had a great deal of success with this method.
Usually I walk right to the meteorite and then find nothing else for a
week. This has been documented in front of witnesses on several
ocassions. I'm going to try it with the machine turned off to see if I
get the same results and save some money on batteries. Two dowsing rods
are definitely not necessary, one can work just fine - it's how you use
it that counts ;-)
Best wishes
Doug
-Original Message-
From: Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:20 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] You Naysaying Denialists Are All Wrong,
Dowsing Works!
I don't appreciate having words put in my mouth. I did not say
Einstein's opinion should not impress anybody; I said his opinion about
dowsing was no better than anybody else's, since he had made no special
study of the matter at all. Indeed, all he said in the quote what that
he couldn't say how it could possibly work, except to speculate on
unknown mechanisms.
The fact that dowsing does not work is well documented. But again, if
you are so certain it works, you should be taking advantage of Randi's
offer. It's a simple enough test.
I have held dowsing rods and walked around with them. I learned
nothing, except how easily they wave around. I do say, dowsing doesn't
work for locating anything, unless you already know where it is. To
show the power of the unconscious, you can mark a spot and walk around
with the rods, and observe that they cross when you are over the marked
spot (it doesn't matter what it is- a coin, or piece of tape). But when
you do it blindfolded, the rods don't cross over the object. It is your
brain that is working, not the rods.
If you want to dowse for meteorites, go ahead. That will leave more to
be found by people who prefer to use actual, proven technological
methods.
Chris
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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 1:17 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] You Naysaying Denialists Are All
Wrong,Dowsing Works!
First off, let me say that all you naysaying dowser denialists need
to get off your high horses, come down from your ivory towers and
enter the realm of simple, reproducible, empirical evidence-based
experimental scientific methodology instead of parroting dogmatic
drivel and appealing to the authority of idiots. I don't think I've
ever seen such a display of psuedo-intellectual arrogance and phony
elitism in my life. (Well, ok, once or twice I have). I never thought
I'd live to see the day a List member would speak thusly of St.
Albert, {1} and I quote C.P. : His opinion should not impress
anybody. {2} As if the puny intellect of anyone here is but the
beginnings of a pimple on the left butt cheek of Albert Einstein.
The dowser denialist nattering nabobs of negativity owe an apology to
Warren Sansoucie, (also known as Warren Peace), his dad, my dad,
grandad and greatgrandpa (three generations {3} of dowsers and damn
proud of it), and to all the nameless, faceless and voiceless dowsing
utility workers and plumbers everywhere. And a shout-out and word of
thanks to that voice in the wilderness counseling rationality and
scientific method, Dr. Vann from the prestigious University of
Pennsylvania.
Speaking of experimental scientific method, I would like to propose a
simple, reproducible experiment that can be performed by any genius,
near-genius, idiot or near-idiot. Now, before shooting off your mouth
and saying: That Joshua Tree Museum guy knows not of what he
speaketh! please take an hour or so and do this experiment. Trust
me, you will be amazed.
I will bet dollars to doughnuts that not a single one of the
vociferous, self-important dowser denialists has ever actually
dowsed. Your ignorance is revealed by your words. When I say dowsing,
I'm not talking about that flakey New Age, divinatory, radiesthesia,
occult crap. I'm talking about an objective, observable, factual
phenomenon that anyone can see with their own two eyes. (Unless
they're doing it as an actual blind experiment and are blind-folded.)
Get yourself a pair of L-shaped divining rods. {4} Any kind of
bendable wire will work. I used the first thing I found laying around
the shop and it works perfectly. For purposes of balance, hold the
longer part of the L-shaped rod in your hands with the shorter part
projecting forward, or vice-versa, whatever works for you. The rods
must be gripped properly for this
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Re: [meteorite-list] You Naysaying Denialists Are All Wrong, Dowsing Works!
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 03:17:27 -0400, you wrote: dowser(s) enter the realm of simple, dogmatic drivel and idiots. Yep. this to work. They must be held loosely so they can move freely of their own accord. If you grip them too tightly, the experiment won't work. Yes, the reason the rods must be gripped loosely is so that there is as little fiction preventing movement of the rods as possible. The outright dowsing rods are an dynamically unstable, unbalanced system-their center of gravity is along the length of the horizontal rod, not centered on the axis. Therefore, in a minimum friction setting, they will remain motionless ONLY if there is ZERO tilt off perfectly horizontal and ZERO acceleration. If you hand moves for a fraction of a degree off of perfect level, the rods will move. And you don't move forward smoothly like a machine-- each step that you take is a lifting of part of your body, a fall forward, and a bump. Walk very slowly? Just makes it even more jerky. At that point, something called Newton's First Law of Motion comes into effect (you do venerate Newton as much as Einstein, right?) When held loosely, a dowsing rod does not act as a component of a rigid system that is you but as a separate body lying within-you are driving along in your car, tap your brakes, and your cell phone on the dash slides towards the windshield. You are walking while holding the dowsing rods and that means the dowsing rods are moving along at velocity X. Your velocity increases or decreased by a small amount that you don't even consciously notice-maybe even just because you are lifting one foot and putting down another-the dowsing rod will attempt to continue to move at velocity X for a fraction of a second while the hands holding it are now moving at velocity X+1 or X-1. The dowsing rod is thus made to change velocity to match-and the change causes the rod (which is, as I mentioned, a dynamically unstable, unbalanced system) reacts to this by moving about the axis in your hands. The only way to make dowsing tests objective and reproducible is to remove all chance of change in tilt and change in velocity from the experiment-which is why I suggested a mechanical setup. A person is simply an innately unreliable platform for fine-level stability and steadiness. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] dowsing for meteorites--had to try it
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[meteorite-list] Stockpiles in Space
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[meteorite-list] Announcement...New Website is now up! Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
Hi List. I apologize that I have been away off the list for a long time. The reason is I decided to fulfill a long awaited dream of mine and create a website dedicated to meteorites and astronomy. I spent about a year and almost 2000 hours researching to put this together and ended up to be much longer then I anticipated. For those who know me I wanted to do it right and do not like to cut corners. This site is dedicated on my daughters birthday today, but is for all of you collectors out there and especially for those new to the field. There is no site like it in the world in my opinion. My eBay Info page will help many newbie's to the hobby and many of you will agree after viewing it, that it was about time something so detailed came along, which will help many new and veteran collectors. Though I have not listed any meteorites as of yet (shooting for first of the year) on my meteorite sales page, my format will be different then most of the dealers and sellers who already sell on their sites. I will not have the variety like they do. My plan is to only put up several type each couple of months. Those meteorites will be the rarest of the rare and hardest to acquire and or most historical. I posted about 5 months ago on my intentions of this website which is called Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders and wanted to thank those that contacted me with what I needed. I hope you will take the time to look over my site as it is very educational and the resources and tools will hopefully put me in your favorites! I designed this site for the new astronomer and new meteorite collector by using the many years I have involved with astronomy and meteorites and from the lessons I have learned. I hope my experience will suffice to all of you out there. Please feel free to pass my site along to those who you feel will gain from it. Hope you enjoy it and glad to finally have time to get back to the real world! My site address is below. Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonderswww.ctreasurescwonders.com Thank you. Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders IMCA #0960 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Announcement...New Website is now up! Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
Very inviting site Don. Well done On Oct 16, 2010, at 10:27 PM, Don Merchant wrote: Hi List. I apologize that I have been away off the list for a long time. The reason is I decided to fulfill a long awaited dream of mine and create a website dedicated to meteorites and astronomy. I spent about a year and almost 2000 hours researching to put this together and ended up to be much longer then I anticipated. For those who know me I wanted to do it right and do not like to cut corners. This site is dedicated on my daughters birthday today, but is for all of you collectors out there and especially for those new to the field. There is no site like it in the world in my opinion. My eBay Info page will help many newbie's to the hobby and many of you will agree after viewing it, that it was about time something so detailed came along, which will help many new and veteran collectors. Though I have not listed any meteorites as of yet (shooting for first of the year) on my meteorite sales page, my format will be different then most of the dealers and sellers who alread y sell on their sites. I will not have the variety like they do. My plan is to only put up several type each couple of months. Those meteorites will be the rarest of the rare and hardest to acquire and or most historical. I posted about 5 months ago on my intentions of this website which is called Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders and wanted to thank those that contacted me with what I needed. I hope you will take the time to look over my site as it is very educational and the resources and tools will hopefully put me in your favorites! I designed this site for the new astronomer and new meteorite collector by using the many years I have involved with astronomy and meteorites and from the lessons I have learned. I hope my experience will suffice to all of you out there. Please feel free to pass my site along to those who you feel will gain from it. Hope you enjoy it and glad to finally have time to get back to the real world! My site address is below. Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonderswww.ctreasurescwonders.com Thank you. Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders IMCA #0960 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Announcement...New Website is now up! Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
Don, WONDERFUL! My best, Thomas --- On Sat, 10/16/10, Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com wrote: From: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcement...New Website is now up! Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 10:27 PM Hi List. I apologize that I have been away off the list for a long time. The reason is I decided to fulfill a long awaited dream of mine and create a website dedicated to meteorites and astronomy. I spent about a year and almost 2000 hours researching to put this together and ended up to be much longer then I anticipated. For those who know me I wanted to do it right and do not like to cut corners. This site is dedicated on my daughters birthday today, but is for all of you collectors out there and especially for those new to the field. There is no site like it in the world in my opinion. My eBay Info page will help many newbie's to the hobby and many of you will agree after viewing it, that it was about time something so detailed came along, which will help many new and veteran collectors. Though I have not listed any meteorites as of yet (shooting for first of the year) on my meteorite sales page, my format will be different then most of the dealers and sellers who already sell on their sites. I will not have the variety like they do. My plan is to only put up several type each couple of months. Those meteorites will be the rarest of the rare and hardest to acquire and or most historical. I posted about 5 months ago on my intentions of this website which is called Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders and wanted to thank those that contacted me with what I needed. I hope you will take the time to look over my site as it is very educational and the resources and tools will hopefully put me in your favorites! I designed this site for the new astronomer and new meteorite collector by using the many years I have involved with astronomy and meteorites and from the lessons I have learned. I hope my experience will suffice to all of you out there. Please feel free to pass my site along to those who you feel will gain from it. Hope you enjoy it and glad to finally have time to get back to the real world! My site address is below. Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders www.ctreasurescwonders.com Thank you. Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders IMCA #0960 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite
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Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite
Another one... this time BIGGER! Strewnfield? http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=7y6dDtPekzQ Geoff and Steve were in Australia just recently. Hmmm... On 10/16/2010 10:15 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-619OvFyi5w __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] You Naysaying Denialists Are All Wrong, Dowsing Works!
Darren:
You're missing the central point about dowsing. You can't remove the human
element. That's what makes it work. Someone I know already made your
argument. They put the rods is narrow glass jars to stabilize them. That
cancelled the effect. Direct contact with the galvanic skin response or
electrodermal conductance response, whatever you want to call it is
essential for it to work. I don't pretend to understand how this phenomenon
works, any more than I understand how the dynamo at the Earth's center
started to generate a magnetosphere, or how or why the Earth started to spin
in the first place. The puny intellect I was referring to was my own.
It seems the human body can act as a sort of biological magnetometer. If
bird brains high in the sky can detect minute anomalous magnetic variations
from the ocean floor {1} on the order of a few microteslas and use this
information to navigate thousands of miles over open water, then surely the
same principle must apply to the much larger and more complex human brain
that is much closer to the ground. The rods in your hands are not the key to
the system, they're only the amplifiers, they're like the pointer on a
compass.
You and a few others can make fun of me all you want, you're like
Flat-Earthers trying to tell me my belief in sphericity is false when I can
look up at the moon during an eclipse and see the roundness of the Earth's
shadow. You're saying don't believe your own eyes, believe my words.
The reason I issued my philipic diatribe is that I was personally insulted
(along with my dad, grandpa and greatgrandpa by some know-it-alls with no
practical knowledge of what they're talking about. I don't know why you feel
so threatened by something you can't understand. {2} Medical doctors use
hypnosis as a therapuetic tool and they don't have a clue as to how it
works, it just does. {3}
The same day I realized, much to my astonishment, that dowsing actually
works, I was visited my 77 year old parents. My daughter and I were outside
detecting the water and gaslines when my Dad came out and said, give me
those, I'll show you how to do that. He then told me the story of how for
three generations dowsing was a practical method used by many farmers in the
area.
My family farms several thousand acres in the St. Joseph Valley in northern
Indiana. This fertile farmland was once under water. Along with the Kankakee
Valley, this area was part of one the greatest swamp systems in the country.
It was drained in the 1840s and 1850s by a system of ditches. A vast network
of underground tiles were installed to drain the water from the fields into
the ditches. These tiles frequently plugged up, backing up the drainage
system and resulting in standing water in the fields. Standing water will
quickly kill crops, so the problem has to be corrected in short order. How,
you may ask, did these simple farmers, these ignorant tillers of the soil
detect these clogged pipes? You guessed it, dowsing rods! In lieu of
sophisticated electronic detection devices which did not exist at the time,
they used a time honored practical method which worked 100% of the time.
These were not superstitious, occultic people who believed in old wives's
tales. They were utilitarian men of the Earth, solving a problem that would
cost them a lot of money if not attended to immediately.{4}
Just last winter, at his Florida retirement home, my dad's neighbor
complained about a clogged sewage pipe and how it was going to cost him a
lot of money to call some guys out to locate it. My Dad said: No problem,
I'll do it for free, and it'll only tale 5 minutes. He took some of those
little orange flags, bent them into dowsing rods and accurately located the
underground pipe in a few minutes.
So, go ahead, make fun of me, defer to the authority of idiots with no
practical knowledge of the way things really are. Cite some experiments
conducted by morons who reached moronic conclusions about how dowsers are
morons. Throw in some formulae, some equations and statistics while you're
at it. You and the other denialists don't have a clue. You're talking out of
your ass. Why don't you and Chris get together and write my Dad a letter
telling him he didn't really locate all those clogged pipes with dowsing
rods. I'm sure his reply will be that he can tell you're level-headed men
because you have shit coming out of both ears.
And please leave the publicity hound Amazing Kreskin out of it. His million
dollar offer is a complete con and total fraud.
Phil Whitmer
{1}These magnetic deviations arise from volcanic deposits of iron-rich,
magnetite containing basalt.
{2}Don't feel bad, Einstein didn't understand it either. I doubt if Newton
understood it.
{3} Thomas Edison has been quoted as saying he didn't know what electricity
is, he just knew it worked.
{4} In just a few days, a clogged pipe could submerge 20 to 30 acres.
