On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 01:29:37 -0400, you wrote:
cancelled the effect. Direct contact with the galvanic skin response or
electrodermal conductance response, whatever you want to call it is
essential for it to work.
Before dowsing was done with bent pieces of metal, it was done with wooden
Here are kits you can use to find meteorites-- looks like they can be tuned to
any mineral!
http://simmonsscientificproducts.com/products.html
(I guess these are the fake dowsing rods, though-- not the real ones that
operate via handwavium.)
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Hey Darren, No offense dude, but making it a point that you're making
fun of someone onlist? Shit, I'm harsh and even I don't do that. To each
his own I guess.
Eric
On 10/16/2010 11:03 PM, Darren Garrison wrote:
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 01:29:37 -0400, you wrote:
cancelled the effect.
Eric,
That's ok. This is all just good fun, it's nothing personal. When you're
arguing from a position of ignorance and basically don't know what you're
talking about, you have to resort to ridicule. When you have no factual
information to back up your argument, the only thing you can do is
OK, here is what needs to be done.
(1) Get 10 non see through buckets that wont even show shadows.
(2) Get ten items. A couple meteorites, toys, other crystals etc
(3) Make sure that the person with the dowsing rod knows exactly what all the
items are like so that he/she can properly view them
Darren,
How is posting some flakey links and making lame jokes an intelligent
argument? Is that really the best you got? You do know what a debate is
right? You're acting like a 12 year old. (not that there's anything wrong
with that.) I mean come on, my posts have footnotes for chrissakes!
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Greetings listees,
When wood is used for dowsing it typically is fresh cut from a green
bough. Take that green wood and touch an electric fence- ZOWEE- it
does conduct electricity (personal childhood experience)!
I agree with the naysayers- I do not have much faith in the technique.
We have a
Excellent site Doneverything one needs all in one site...or a link
to it if notI have bookmarked it.
Cheers,
Graham, UK
On 17 October 2010 03:27, Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com wrote:
Hi List. I apologize that I have been away off the list for a long time. The
reason is I
From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com
I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as a type of
superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The
dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows the reaction of the human
nervous system
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Free shipping.
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Videos:
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 03:02:17 -0400, you wrote:
Eric,
That's ok. This is all just good fun, it's nothing personal. When you're
arguing from a position of ignorance and basically don't know what you're
talking about, you have to resort to ridicule. When you have no factual
information to back up
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 03:09:09 -0400, you wrote:
Darren,
How is posting some flakey links and making lame jokes an intelligent
argument? Is that really the best you got? You do know what a debate is
right? You're acting like a 12 year old. (not that there's anything wrong
with that.) I mean come
Anyone wanna talk about meteorites? ;) Seems someone found a couple...
Eric
On 10/16/2010 10:22 PM, Meteorites USA wrote:
Another one... this time BIGGER! Strewnfield?
http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=7y6dDtPekzQ
Geoff and Steve were in Australia just recently. Hmmm...
On 10/16/2010 10:15
Would be interesting to know what happened to those irons found in
Australia? knowing what the laws are nowhave they been handed
in for study/classificationor just disappeared
mysteriouslyanyone know the finder of more about the story?
Jeff?
They look much younger than Henbury
I'm with you on the skepticism. I didn't believe it at first either. It
takes a bit more research than just scanning a single archive to uncover
information. Einstein is making the statement in regard to a form of
diagnostical health dowsing, an area I think is pretty bogus. I was
Hey everyone, I hope everyone is having a good weekend so far. I have
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Don't miss out!
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This is a no-nonsense website:
http://www.constructionwork.com/resources_details_divining_rods.html
I don't see why this wouldn't work for locating buried iron meteorites.
I would like to see Steve Arnold try this. After locating a buried iron
meteorite by conventional methods, all Steve would
Hi Jeffrey,
I'm skeptical that Einstein ever said this. I have just searched
the Einstein archive at
http://www.alberteinstein.info/
for the word dowsing and did not find a single hit.
Maybe he said it, but without a real citation with date and page
number, or a facsimile of the letter -
Hi all,
I have a copy of the 2nd appendix to the original catalogue of
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$6.50 and UK -
Hi all,
I have managed to acquire some larger size clear plastic display
boxes, I have been looking for something like these for ages and they
are exactly what i was after. Following my last post on the subject i
had numerous emails from people looking for the same sort of box so
for all those
That would be a horrible experiment. It is already established that dowsing
works because the operator of the rods knows where the object of his search
is. Using dowsing rods to confirm a find would be useless, prove nothing,
and be misleading to the large number of people who are largely
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:28:13 -0700, you wrote:
When people say they believe in dowsing, what they are really
saying is that they believe in a human sixth sense -- for instance,
the ability to detect minute fluctuations in electromagnetic
fields.
An interesting side note is that recent studies
Yeah? I guess that's scientific huh?
Eric
On 10/17/2010 12:39 PM, Chris Peterson wrote:
I think we can all pretty much guess what those results will be.
Chris
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No. It is a reasonable assumption based on solid science and on past
experience. I didn't say the result was guaranteed. Scientifically, we can
prove nothing. But that doesn't mean that all ideas are of equal merit or
weight. It is perfectly rational to assume outcomes based on previous
Rob,
Your last statement is not true. It's very hard to find scientific
studies involving anything even remotely connected to the paranormal
(gasp!).
Except in Russia serious scientists won't even consider studying such
tomfoolery. There are a few studies, you have to dig deep to find them.
Chris:
I'm citing a 10-year study sponsored by the German Government conducted by
Dr. Hans-Dieter Betz of the Dep't of Physics at Munich that was published in
Stanford University's peer-reviewed Journal of Scientific Exploration. And
you're citing.(drum roll pleasecue up the
It's interesting yes... The simple question ...have they been handed in
for study/classification... is scary...
It's counter productive to science to require people to turn over
meteorites to the state. Why should they? Because the state needs
them? Because meteorite hunters don't need them?
Hi Phil,
Your last statement is not true. It's very hard to find scientific
studies involving anything even remotely connected to the paranormal
(gasp!). Look into the German studies cited here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ADowsing
I read that abstract earlier in the week. If there
Rather than just repeat what can be found elsewhere, I'd suggest you start
with the Wikipedia entry on dowsing, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing ,
which has some excellent references to negative evidence, as well as some
references explaining Betz's poor technique.
A PhD does not
By the way, the Journal of Scientific Exploration is hardly a real
journal,
so citing it as evidence for the reality of dowsing is a bit of a circular
argument. Most of the members are strong believers in the reality of ESP,
astrology, psychokinesis, reincarnation, and similar topics, so the
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 14:18:14 -0700, you wrote:
would be personal unfamiliarity with the rather bullet-proof science.
That would not suprise me in the slightest after reading this:
I don't pretend to understand how this phenomenon
works, any more than I understand how the dynamo at the Earth's
I'm going to need to see a visible light photograph of an exoplanet to
confirm their existence. Ditto for black holes. ;)
But then again, people believe in all kinds of things that are not
supported by evidence. You just have to really want to believe it:
Dean,
EXACTLY this experiment has been performed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VAasVXtCOI
or as near as makes no difference. Every dowser
failed the test. (This URL was posted to the List
at the beginning of this kerfluffle by Darren
Garrison.)
Sterling K. Webb
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:07:25 -0400, you wrote:
I'm going to need to see a visible light photograph of an exoplanet to
confirm their existence.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101015105935.htm
Hello everybody
There is a nice new data visualization tool available in the Encyclopedia of
Meteorites.
Try it out:
http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/DataVisualization.aspx
Thank you on behalf of all of us, Sergey !!!
Keep up the good work
Best
Martin
I'm going to need to see a visible light photograph of an exoplanet to
confirm their existence.
Here it is:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101015105935.htm
Next? Will the next in line please step forward?
Sterling K. Webb
Yes, cause we in Germany are sometimes more practically thinking, hehe.
(That's why we never will have a meteorite law...).
Folks, it's a little bit funny,
when I follow that thread, I get the impression, that some think, that
Einstein was once fallen from sky,
as an inerrant saint.
(Though I
Chris;
You're losing a lot of credibility when you publicly admit that you've
fallen for the con of the Amazing Randi. Do some research, the guy's a
fraud:
http://torbjornsassersson.wordpress.com/2010/05/02/james-randi-and-his-one-million-dollar-challenge-fraud/
Essentially he was a washed up
Rob,
I have it on good authority, dowsing is real.
According to the New York Times, more than fifteen hundred remote
sensing devices have been sold to Iraq's Ministry of the Interior, at
prices ranging from $16,500 to $60,000 each. The devices are used for
bomb and weapon detection at
Those pictures look computer enhanced (photo-shopped) to me, I was thinking
more along the lines of something like this:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/photo_gallery/photogallery-mars.html
You know, real pictures.
Phil Whitmer
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I'm going to need to
They cut the trees at new moon only, Martin, 'cause nothing can fall down
from an invisible thing to get under a terranean saw.
Best, Matthias
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From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, October 18,
You're seriously impugning the German people, the smartest folks on the
planet? Do the names of Nicolaus Copernicus, Albert Einstein, Werner von
Braun, Werner Heisenberg, Hermann Helmholtz, Max Planck, Wilhelm C.
Röntgen,
Heinrich R. Hertz, Karl Benz Gottlieb Daimler, Nikolaus August
All the better, I'm half Polish, half German!
Phil Whitmer
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You're seriously impugning the German people, the smartest folks on the
planet? Do the names of Nicolaus Copernicus, Albert Einstein, Werner von
Braun, Werner Heisenberg, Hermann Helmholtz, Max
You're seriously impugning the German people, the smartest folks on the
planet? Do the names of Nicolaus Copernicus, Albert Einstein, Werner von
Braun, Werner Heisenberg, Hermann Helmholtz, Max Planck, Wilhelm C.
Röntgen,
Heinrich R. Hertz, Karl Benz Gottlieb Daimler, Nikolaus August
Hello lists, with my new Bresser microscope I have detected a structure in
metalflakes which I can not explain. Has any one seen such a structure in
meteorites or documentation where it is explalned?
Look at
http://s345.photobucket.com/albums/p384/m42protosun/Bubble%20iron/
m42protosun
Einstein was born in the Kingdom of Wurttemberg, part of the German Empire
at the time. Copernicus was born in Royal Prussia, Part of the Polish
Empire.
Phil Whitmer
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You're seriously impugning the German people, the smartest folks on the
planet? Do the names of
Sorry, I've met Randi on several occasions, and I can assure you he is no
fraud, and he is pulling no cons. He is well respected by those who seek to
keep pseudoscience in check.
I'm hardly impugning the German people. I'm simply pointing out, as somebody
who lived there for a while, that
Rob Matson wrote:
By the way, the Journal of Scientific Exploration is hardly a real
journal,
so citing it as evidence for the reality of dowsing is a bit of a circular
argument. Most of the members are strong believers in the reality of ESP,
astrology, psychokinesis, reincarnation, and similar
Mike, on that note, dowsing is fraud.
In January 2010, export of the device to Iraq and Afghanistan was
banned by the British Government and the managing director of ATSC was
arrested on suspicion of fraud,[2] and in June 2010 several other
companies were raided by British police.[3]
From
Hi Mike,
I think the point of the article is relevant to what's being discussed
here. People that know for scientific reasons that dowsing doesn't work,
can't dowse because it won't work for them. Dowsing only works for the
ignorant like myself and dumb construction workers and plumbers. The
In about a weeks time I will be shutting all my ebay auctions down for a month
of traveling and am trying to raise some last minute cash.
I have this sale site put together:
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All the unsold stuff will go on ebay at about a 20% premium to this
The Mom Copernici was named Barbara Watzenrode.
With the Second Peace of Torun in 1466, the town Torun became part of the
Polish Empire, Copernicus was born in 1473.
Since eternities German and Polish nationalists are arguing, whether
Copernicus was Polish or German
(and with the Americans whether
Ok I just read the wikipedia article, I guess all those police and military
people really are that dumb. That thing's not even a dowsing rod. I like
the part where you insert the programmable card. Wow, the Indians, Thais,
Saudis, Mexicans, Belgians, etc. must be incredibly dumb. All I know
Herr Whitmer amd List,
The great minds, even Copernicus, had their seminal beginnings in Baltic
Germania. From whence came the Kingdom of Poland.
Best regards,
Count Deiro
IMCA 3536
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From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com
Sent: Oct 17, 2010 4:00 PM
Phil,
Am I missing something here? You say the devices work at detecting bombs in
Iraq. I suppose that means that no more bombs are getting by Iraqi
checkpoints.
I wonder do we live in the same world?
Mike Fowler
PS It's not so much a matter of doubting the dowsers, as being amazed at
OH MY GOD!! We need a meteorite fall somewhere, NOW!!
Steve Witt
IMCA #9020
http://imca.cc/
--- On Sun, 10/17/10, Michael Fowler mqfow...@mac.com wrote:
From: Michael Fowler mqfow...@mac.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are
dubious?!
To:
Hello Lister,
I wonder what would happen if I was watching Meteorite Men and all of a sudden
the show is interrupted by the emergency broad cast system.
Residence of SLC Utah a meteor the size of Manhattan with a diameter estimated
to be about 3 miles has hit down town LA.. THIS IS WHAT
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:10:51 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
The closest thing I've seen was broadcast on TV over a decade ago, which I
think originally aired in Australia. It was a supposed double-blind experiment
run by none other than Randy himself.
I think I may have stumbled on the video you are
As a psychic and mystic, independent of conceptual historical frameworks, I
mention now, this very present moment in which your awareness automatically
translates these little crooked black and white marks into le t t te
r s into wo r d s with complex meanings, who has scanned
Just as the active software on a laptop limits powerfully the possible
offerings of the global Internet, strongly held personal beliefs and habits
of conscious experience strongly limit the field of awareness and the range
of acceptible experience.
Thus, skeptics re the paranormal refrain
Rich, you could really save yourself some typing time by just using this site:
http://randomtextgenerator.com/
(Unless--that is-- you already are.)
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:28:06 -0600, you wrote:
Just as the active software on a laptop limits powerfully the possible
offerings of the global
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