Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Update 2 - Wilbur Wash (correction)
Hi Jason, [Cue the long reply from M* about how coordinates are all overrated and irrelevant...if it happens, I'll step out of this as well. Enough of that.] Who had said in short (for you native speaker), that in weighting missing coordinates versus a stone itself, for him personally - other than for perhaps J - it never would be a question, to throw Lafayette or Paris into the dustbin or to abstain from analyzing the first Venerian meteorite, only for the reason that they came with no coordinates. Simply because he is always so curious about that, what was and is going on beyond our small backyard out there in the solar system, where - giant heap - mankind can't get to. And because he respects and appreciates also the work of ANSMET, NIPR, PRIC. In many cases, they're not getting paid anything extra to do that work for *you (and me).* ...and the *greater good of science.* The latter is what researching scientists at universities are paid for in general, aren't they? (...and at least here, if they achieve to get an appointment as a tenured German civil servant, then the payment incl. old-age plan is all in all comfortable. Although I concede, that the modern practice to give scientists, especially the younger and in branches with an excess supply of applicants, only serial contracts of always maximum 2 years, is quite shabby, cause they are often so lousy endowed, that they reach almost the level of successful planetaries recoverers only. I hope in overseas it's better?) So it can be a pretty thankless job. Sounds like the description of a meteorite hunter, dealer, finder, who mainly have to live from their passion :-) But if a scientist has a passion for meteorites, I think, it can be also a fulfilling occupation, can't it? Be thankful that they do as good a job as they do. Who would be not? And who wouldn't be thankful that the hunters and dealers do their job as good as they do? In many cases, they're not getting paid anything extra Hmm shall we collect on the list here, because of this reason, some money, for the Aussies finally starting to analyze their 500 unclassified Nullarbor finds they're sitting for 20 years now on? (Bevan, 2006) Or is that job of the state especially if you think about the legal status given to meteorites down there. ( which would lead to the debate about laws, ethics and moral, Greg seemed to have wanted to start.) Well it's simple, in NWA-countries, we simply have not the infrastructure, that coordinates could be taken, I suppose it's also partially because of the argument, Jason told below in another context. NWAs aren't paid highly enough for, that a better field documentation could be made - and additionally the crystallization of idiocy and dilettantism into certain laws encourages and advances the loss of find data first and in extremo the loss of new materials at all. Well and else, for quite all it is a matter of course, to give the coordinates and find data, if known to them. So I think, that what Greg reports or the Labennes did are exceptions. Remember e.g. the first lunar Oman finds - they were firstly also published without the location, but the coordinates were added after a while then -- leading to additional finds by others than the original finders. Neither any advantage for us, the lousy dealers pack, which as is well-known is in ooonly for the money, would come to my mind, in concealing find data, especially cause meteorites with coordinates are better paid on average than those with names. That the find coordinates are withheld for a while, is acceptable, at least for finds - for fresh falls, where as many specimens have to be secured as early as possible, it is the wrong method - the same is often common practice also in scientific work, like e.g. for newly recovered archaeological sites or fossil sites, to keep the pack away until the work is done. We collectors and dealers seem to feel *entitled* No, rather a few don't understand correctly, what MetSoc is made for, I'd think. Best, Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jason Utas Gesendet: Montag, 20. Dezember 2010 01:29 An: Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Update 2 - Wilbur Wash (correction) Hello All, I'd like to reply to a few of the points made in the below messages; while I would prefer to stay out of the mechanics of the classification/submission part of it, several other points were made that apply to the majority of people currently getting specimens analyzed and named that should be addressed. Anne said: The lack of a proper find location is not enough to prevent a meteorite from being classified. All the SAHX meteorites, from the Labennes, lack complete coordinates and they have been classified and published. The Labennes promised to release their data. Using this as a justification for a statement
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Update 2 - Wilbur Wash (correction)
Alright, fine, Martin. [Cue the long reply from M* about how coordinates are all overrated and irrelevant...if it happens, I'll step out of this as well. Enough of that.] Who had said in short (for you native speaker), that in weighting missing coordinates versus a stone itself, for him personally - other than for perhaps J - it never would be a question, to throw Lafayette or Paris into the dustbin or to abstain from analyzing the first Venerian meteorite, only for the reason that they came with no coordinates. Yes, because that's what I'm suggesting. Just throw meteorites away if they don't have coordinates. You're using a 'reductio ad absurdum' argument. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum Give it a break. Anyone with half a brain can see through that sort of talk. Simply because he is always so curious about that, what was and is going on beyond our small backyard out there in the solar system, where - giant heap - mankind can't get to. And because he respects and appreciates also the work of ANSMET, NIPR, PRIC. ... In many cases, they're not getting paid anything extra to do that work for *you (and me).* ...and the *greater good of science.* The greater good of science would be better served by their concentrating on research - not by their wasting their time meticulously analyzing thousands of ordinary chondrites for the likes of us collectors. Granted, there are rare stones mixed in, but if you're talking about maximizing scientific advancements, there's really not much of an incentive for them to petrographically grade and write up every detail necessary for the approval of most meteorites, because the vast majority of them don't teach us anything new. I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, but if you're talking about accelerating the 'greater good of science,' scientists should analyze stones to the point of figuring out if they're something interesting -- or not. And if they're not interesting, they should just say 'ordinary equilibrated chondrite' and not waste any more time on them. The latter is what researching scientists at universities are paid for in general, aren't they? No. They're generally expected to write a papers/conduct research at a set rate, and analyses are considered to be 'on the side.' That's why, when you read something like MAPS, most of the papers aren't analyses of new meteorites. They're usually studies performed on older meteorites. (...and at least here, if they achieve to get an appointment as a tenured German civil servant, then the payment incl. old-age plan is all in all comfortable. I don't know what the expectations of researchers are over there, but, regardless of salary, if these scientists are getting paid only to conduct research, asking them to do more is asking them for a favor. Saying that they get paid a comfortable amount and thus should analyze meteorites for us simply doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to ask Bill Gates to analyze all of the meteorites in the world just because he makes the most money. [reductio ad absurdum, but it makes a valid point - you're saying they *should* do work they're not being paid to do] Furthermore, you seem to have completely missed the point of what I was saying. It's not that the scientists themselves are paying for these analyses. They typically have set departmental or lab budgets that are limited by chancellors, department heads, etc. Analyzing meteorites means making thin sections, scheduling additional probe time, and using their own time, and usually there's a cost associated with all of that. That cost has to be paid, usually by their lab, which always has a limited budget. More analyses = less money for research. Although I concede, that the modern practice to give scientists, especially the younger and in branches with an excess supply of applicants, only serial contracts of always maximum 2 years, is quite shabby, cause they are often so lousy endowed, that they reach almost the level of successful planetaries recoverers only. I hope in overseas it's better?) Sorry, but the language of the above paragraph isn't easy to decipher. Not sure what you're saying there. So it can be a pretty thankless job. Sounds like the description of a meteorite hunter, dealer, finder, who mainly have to live from their passion :-) If that's their passion, then they have the life they want, pursuing their dream. Money = / = happiness. But you seem to be equating working in a lab analyzing meteorites to the profession of finding and dealing meteorites. I think it's fairly obvious that those are two very different professions. I see the inherent appeal of one - namely the adventure and excitement of chasing down falls and traveling that meteorite hunting and selling entails. Not so sure about the research position. But if a scientist has a passion for meteorites, I think, it can be also a fulfilling occupation, can't it? So you're
[meteorite-list] Middlesbrough meteorite cast
Hi all, I am still after acquiring a cast of the Middlesbrough meteorite but after much searching and many emails still no joy. I know a certain number of casts were sold By Dieter Heinlein but no more are available from him. I posted to the list quite a while ago but thought it was worth another try! Does anyone know of any for sale anywhere or have one that they would be willing to part with? Any leads would be really really appreciated! Happy christmas to all Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] thank you to everyone
Hi again list.I want to thank everyone who sent condolances about my wife's brother.He is now in a better place and after 61 torchured years,he finally knows peace that knows no understanding.I hope everyone has a great day and stays positive.Because you never know when he is calling you home. Steve R.Arnold, Chicago! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Middlesbrough meteorite cast
Hi Martin: I have the opposite problem: I have a cast and am looking for its name! It came from a specimen in the Smithsonian. It's large (like a big watermelon) and has loads of regmaglyphs. I'm guessing the real piece could weigh anywhere from 200-300 pounds. A slice was taken off the bottom to test. It shows a beautiful Widdmanstatten pattern. I will try to send a pic later. (I'm at work now). What does the Middlesbrough meteorite look like? Thanks for any help, Anita Westlake From: martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 5:51:58 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Middlesbrough meteorite cast Hi all, I am still after acquiring a cast of the Middlesbrough meteorite but after much searching and many emails still no joy. I know a certain number of casts were sold By Dieter Heinlein but no more are available from him. I posted to the list quite a while ago but thought it was worth another try! Does anyone know of any for sale anywhere or have one that they would be willing to part with? Any leads would be really really appreciated! Happy christmas to all Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: live lunar eclipse broadcast
Live now! http://www.nightskiesnetwork.com/live/channel.php?n=Khwarizmi%20Science%20Society __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Middlesbrough meteorite cast
Has this been distributed very much? Being only 1600 grams or so I doubt much is actually available but would like a wee bit. Chris. Spratt Victoria, BC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning about ebay member
Greetings Mirko and all, I'd like to suggest something different about this bidder and others that I have had to deal with. It is my belief that some bidders will bid and wait to see if you will ship the item to them so they can get something for free. It's why he is bidding on so many items in hopes of someone sending the item on. I also had someone bid on my item and wouldn't pay for it until I shipped it to them. I told them it was not my policy of doing this unless you are a long time customer. This was before eBay fixed the feedback system for only bidders to give bad feedback, limiting what a seller could do. After a fair amount of time passed, I left negative feedback and promptly got negative feedback (that was fair wasn't it) from this scum bidder. I really despise eBay these days and because of another problem I have had with them have not listed items this holiday season. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 1:40 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Warning about ebay member Dear list members, I would warn any ebay seller against a very unpleasant ebay member. The ebay member ( tri-ball34 ) has won some meteorites with me on ebay and to this day not one of them paid. The total value of almost $ 1500. He had bought over a longer period of time. Now I've talked with some other dealers and it looks as if many traders are concerned. Are there any other dealers who have not received payment from him ?? I have blocked this member now. Many greetings to all, Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Middlesbrough meteorite cast
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_17_2008.html Nice! On 20/12/10 13:09, Anita Westlake wrote: Hi Martin: I have the opposite problem: I have a cast and am looking for its name! It came from a specimen in the Smithsonian. It's large (like a big watermelon) and has loads of regmaglyphs. I'm guessing the real piece could weigh anywhere from 200-300 pounds. A slice was taken off the bottom to test. It shows a beautiful Widdmanstatten pattern. I will try to send a pic later. (I'm at work now). What does the Middlesbrough meteorite look like? Thanks for any help, Anita Westlake From: martin goffmsgmeteori...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 5:51:58 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Middlesbrough meteorite cast Hi all, I am still after acquiring a cast of the Middlesbrough meteorite but after much searching and many emails still no joy. I know a certain number of casts were sold By Dieter Heinlein but no more are available from him. I posted to the list quite a while ago but thought it was worth another try! Does anyone know of any for sale anywhere or have one that they would be willing to part with? Any leads would be really really appreciated! Happy christmas to all Cheers Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Middlesbrough meteorite cast ... here ya go
Martin, Here is a source (I liked it so ordered one for myself): http://www.geoed.co.uk/index.cgi?pid=1104cart_id=7706447.5964 Regards, Dan Handmade Knives by D. Fronefield Specializing in Meteorites and other exotic materials www.meteorforge.net __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Holiday Wishes/ Larry and Twink Monrad's Costa Rican Adventures
Larry and Twink of Gold Basin fame sojourned last month to visit me here at La Quintana de Costa Rica, my Bed and Breakfast. Besides visiting live volcanoes and monkey beaches, meteorites were on the menu. Twink uber-generously shared a few self-recovered Gold Basin specimens with me for which I am thrilled to add to my collection. To warm the thoughts of everyone as the Winter Equinox approaches, the Monrads' agreed I could post these two photo albums of their adventures in this tropical country south of Nicaragua. At the conclusion of the second Webshots album, I included photos taken off of the TV screen from the video we watched one night shot of the Tucson show in 2000. If you are interested in reminiscing (and remembering how good looking we all were back then), there are cameo guest shots of: - THE Steve Arnold - Anne Black - Michael Blood - Mike Farmer - Robert Haag - Russ Kempton - Kevin Kriegh - Jim Kriegh - LaBenne brothers - Al Lang - Mike Martinez - Richard and Dorothy Norton - Darryl Pitt - Blaine and Blake Reed - and Jim Strope. Best wishes to all for a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year that's rich in falls and finds. From Nine Degrees North, Kevin Kichinka www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com www.LaQ-CostaRica.com After you click on each link (this is parts one and two), look for the box on the right, then click on slideshow to activate. Mouse down one click to read the caption beneath each photo. http://family.webshots.com/album/579251393nwAcWd http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/579250218nujjmz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
If he won 173 auctions, how many didn't he win? Lots more, probably. Maybe Ebay itself is tri-ball34, attempting to drive up prices to increase fees. Paul Swartz this person has won in the last 30 days 173 auctions at many different sellers. The total amount of purchases in last 30 days amounts to nearly $9000 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
Creep! It brings up the question - how frequently do Ebay sales fall through? I've sold a fair amount of non-meteorite things on Ebay and everyone paid. Anybody have any intel on this? cheers Paul Swartz He bid up so many of my items that I thought the meteorite market was recovering nicely. Now, that I have spent many hours opening 23 separate cases against him and undoing the damage, I see that the market is about the same. It is amazing what kind of chaos a single bidder can cause. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
I usually have a non-payer in about 1 out of every 250 sales. It's almost always someone who's new or has a very low number. I'd have to assume its someone who doesn't know how it all works, or is a kid, or occasionally its someone who initially was alright but had an unfortunate accident or such. Here's a famous example. a 5 year old uses buy-it-now to win a $1 million Transformers collection: http://www.pr-inside.com/year-old-canadian-boy-buys-million-r187248.htm I did see someone bid crazy for a short period of time in the fossil section of ebay a year or two ago, but based on their bidding pattern of big dinosaur fossils, fake fossils, and toys, I assumed it was a kid discovering his parent's ebay account. I don't think Tri-ball is ebay itself That would be considered shill bidding and is illegal in most states. -YvW On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM, valpar...@aol.com wrote: Creep! It brings up the question - how frequently do Ebay sales fall through? I've sold a fair amount of non-meteorite things on Ebay and everyone paid. Anybody have any intel on this? cheers Paul Swartz He bid up so many of my items that I thought the meteorite market was recovering nicely. Now, that I have spent many hours opening 23 separate cases against him and undoing the damage, I see that the market is about the same. It is amazing what kind of chaos a single bidder can cause. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] sad news
Our family sends its condolences for your loss as well. Best to All, John Gwilliam At 01:08 PM 12/19/2010, Steve Witt wrote: Steve, My condolences to you and your family. A loss is always difficult and at this time of year it is even harder. Best, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Sun, 12/19/10, steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com wrote: From: steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] sad news To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 1:14 PM Hello all.I want to wish everyone the world over a truly Merry Cristmas.Our holidays were saddened today.I got news that my wife's older brother died suddenly in his sleep.He had been ill for sometime but nothing like was expected.We are still in shock.He was 61 years old.Again I do not want to burden anyone down, but as they say,we are family.Happy holidays all. Steve R.Arnold, Chicago! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Holiday Wishes/ Larry and Twink Monrad's Costa Rican Adventures
Great photos! Thanks for sharing them. My compliments to the photographer. I especially enjoyed the flora/fauna photos and the El Meteorito Inn. :) Count me as officially jealous. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 12/20/10, Kevin Kichinka mars...@gmail.com wrote: Larry and Twink of Gold Basin fame sojourned last month to visit me here at La Quintana de Costa Rica, my Bed and Breakfast. Besides visiting live volcanoes and monkey beaches, meteorites were on the menu. Twink uber-generously shared a few self-recovered Gold Basin specimens with me for which I am thrilled to add to my collection. To warm the thoughts of everyone as the Winter Equinox approaches, the Monrads' agreed I could post these two photo albums of their adventures in this tropical country south of Nicaragua. At the conclusion of the second Webshots album, I included photos taken off of the TV screen from the video we watched one night shot of the Tucson show in 2000. If you are interested in reminiscing (and remembering how good looking we all were back then), there are cameo guest shots of: - THE Steve Arnold - Anne Black - Michael Blood - Mike Farmer - Robert Haag - Russ Kempton - Kevin Kriegh - Jim Kriegh - LaBenne brothers - Al Lang - Mike Martinez - Richard and Dorothy Norton - Darryl Pitt - Blaine and Blake Reed - and Jim Strope. Best wishes to all for a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year that's rich in falls and finds. From Nine Degrees North, Kevin Kichinka www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com www.LaQ-CostaRica.com After you click on each link (this is parts one and two), look for the box on the right, then click on slideshow to activate. Mouse down one click to read the caption beneath each photo. http://family.webshots.com/album/579251393nwAcWd http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/579250218nujjmz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] sad news
Hi Steve, I am very sorry for your loss. I can empathize with you as we lost a beautiful 11 1/2 year old granddaughter the day after Christmas two years ago. Blessings to you, your wife and her whole family as well, Thomas --- On Sun, 12/19/10, steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com wrote: From: steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] sad news To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 2:14 PM Hello all.I want to wish everyone the world over a truly Merry Cristmas.Our holidays were saddened today.I got news that my wife's older brother died suddenly in his sleep.He had been ill for sometime but nothing like was expected.We are still in shock.He was 61 years old.Again I do not want to burden anyone down, but as they say,we are family.Happy holidays all. Steve R.Arnold, Chicago! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Happy Holidays to the List
Seasons Greetings Listees! I'd like to briefly thank everyone on this List for another year of entertaining (and sometimes informative!) posts about meteorites, meteoritics, dousing rods, UFO's, meteorite-hunting psychic animals, Martian blood vessels, toliet plungers, eBay policy, meteorite sales suspended until further notice, and all those other things that add spice to the List. ;) In particular, to those who have not blocked my email address yet(!), thank you for tolerating me for another trip around Sol and at my current rate of progression, I should be 10% more knowledgeable and 4% less annoying next year. I hope your Christmas/Yule/Hanukkah/Eid/Kwanzaa is filled with hot food, stiff drinks, warm fires, fine cigars and good cheer. And if you are lucky, that black rock in your stocking will be a freshly-fallen meteorite and not a lump of coal. Although, if it is a lump of coal, please send 10 blurry photos of it to me and ask me to buy it - and then get offended when I decline. According to the statistical averages of the last 10 years, we should see 5 witnessed falls across the planet next year and we are long overdue for another one. The last official fall was Mifflin back in April. Maybe if we look up and see something streaking through the sky, it will be a St. Nick bolide dropping fusion-crusted treats for good boys and girls everywhere along the strewnfield. My new year's resolution - regenerate my collection back to over 100 localities and manage to keep it for more than a year.. and to get the Bolide Bus back on track. :) Best regards and happy holidays! MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
Hi, Today, our friend (tri-ball34) more shopped diligently. Now, two sales of Robert Ward are concerned. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=170579925662si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem= and http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=170579917626si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem= Robert,blocking this guy! Before he sabotaged more offers from you. Best regards, Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) --- Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com schrieb am Mo, 20.12.2010: Von: Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Montag, 20. Dezember, 2010 18:10 Uhr I usually have a non-payer in about 1 out of every 250 sales. It's almost always someone who's new or has a very low number. I'd have to assume its someone who doesn't know how it all works, or is a kid, or occasionally its someone who initially was alright but had an unfortunate accident or such. Here's a famous example. a 5 year old uses buy-it-now to win a $1 million Transformers collection: http://www.pr-inside.com/year-old-canadian-boy-buys-million-r187248.htm I did see someone bid crazy for a short period of time in the fossil section of ebay a year or two ago, but based on their bidding pattern of big dinosaur fossils, fake fossils, and toys, I assumed it was a kid discovering his parent's ebay account. I don't think Tri-ball is ebay itself That would be considered shill bidding and is illegal in most states. -YvW On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM, valpar...@aol.com wrote: Creep! It brings up the question - how frequently do Ebay sales fall through? I've sold a fair amount of non-meteorite things on Ebay and everyone paid. Anybody have any intel on this? cheers Paul Swartz He bid up so many of my items that I thought the meteorite market was recovering nicely. Now, that I have spent many hours opening 23 separate cases against him and undoing the damage, I see that the market is about the same. It is amazing what kind of chaos a single bidder can cause. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
Once I sold a small Sikhote Alin shrapnel specimen for $24/gram...ahem, I almost choked; two separate entities bidding it up and up (it was a nice 20cents/gram piece...and it was Ebay that pulled it. I'm not sure how they figured it out. (No, I wasn't going to accept that kind of payment anyway!) - Original Message - From: Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34 I usually have a non-payer in about 1 out of every 250 sales. It's almost always someone who's new or has a very low number. I'd have to assume its someone who doesn't know how it all works, or is a kid, or occasionally its someone who initially was alright but had an unfortunate accident or such. Here's a famous example. a 5 year old uses buy-it-now to win a $1 million Transformers collection: http://www.pr-inside.com/year-old-canadian-boy-buys-million-r187248.htm I did see someone bid crazy for a short period of time in the fossil section of ebay a year or two ago, but based on their bidding pattern of big dinosaur fossils, fake fossils, and toys, I assumed it was a kid discovering his parent's ebay account. I don't think Tri-ball is ebay itself That would be considered shill bidding and is illegal in most states. -YvW On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM, valpar...@aol.com wrote: Creep! It brings up the question - how frequently do Ebay sales fall through? I've sold a fair amount of non-meteorite things on Ebay and everyone paid. Anybody have any intel on this? cheers Paul Swartz He bid up so many of my items that I thought the meteorite market was recovering nicely. Now, that I have spent many hours opening 23 separate cases against him and undoing the damage, I see that the market is about the same. It is amazing what kind of chaos a single bidder can cause. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
If any of you sellers are subscribing to some sort of reverse email look-up, this guy is probably dumb enough to use his email name on ebay. Might try, tri-bal...@hotmail.com or one of the other links. Might get lucky in narrowing down where this schmuck is located. Dennis Miller From: rickm...@earthlink.net To: veom...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:40:37 -0800 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34 Once I sold a small Sikhote Alin shrapnel specimen for $24/gram...ahem, I almost choked; two separate entities bidding it up and up (it was a nice 20cents/gram piece...and it was Ebay that pulled it. I'm not sure how they figured it out. (No, I wasn't going to accept that kind of payment anyway!) - Original Message - From: Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34 I usually have a non-payer in about 1 out of every 250 sales. It's almost always someone who's new or has a very low number. I'd have to assume its someone who doesn't know how it all works, or is a kid, or occasionally its someone who initially was alright but had an unfortunate accident or such. Here's a famous example. a 5 year old uses buy-it-now to win a $1 million Transformers collection: http://www.pr-inside.com/year-old-canadian-boy-buys-million-r187248.htm I did see someone bid crazy for a short period of time in the fossil section of ebay a year or two ago, but based on their bidding pattern of big dinosaur fossils, fake fossils, and toys, I assumed it was a kid discovering his parent's ebay account. I don't think Tri-ball is ebay itself That would be considered shill bidding and is illegal in most states. -YvW On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM, valpar...@aol.com wrote: Creep! It brings up the question - how frequently do Ebay sales fall through? I've sold a fair amount of non-meteorite things on Ebay and everyone paid. Anybody have any intel on this? cheers Paul Swartz He bid up so many of my items that I thought the meteorite market was recovering nicely. Now, that I have spent many hours opening 23 separate cases against him and undoing the damage, I see that the market is about the same. It is amazing what kind of chaos a single bidder can cause. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Update 2 - Wilbur Wash (correction)
Well Jason, although I'm not so rhetorically trained like you, I guess, you started (once again) in your initial email with a post hoc ergo propter hoc.. The greater good of . don't teach us anything new. 1st - who else is still classifying thousands of OCs aside the classifiers involved in the Antarctics? 2nd - why then such a legal drama in so many countries, regarding ownership, heritage, ect. if that stuff is so uninteresting? No. They're generally expected to write a papers/conduct research at a set rate Difficult to write a paper, if you don't have results from analyzes to write about. At least until meteoritics will be reckoned to the humanities. (Quiet Mathias!) paid only to conduct research I think most of them understand analyses of new meteorites as research too. I'm not going to ask Bill Gates to analyze all of the meteorites in the world just because he makes the most money. Right, but would you pay in a restaurant to the bill an extra for the cook, if the egg in your diner was not uncooked? Furthermore, you seem to have completely missed the point I don't think so, cause that's why we personally spare the classifiers the OCs and the junk meteorites. But I'm glad to see advances in your opinion. isn't easy to decipher. Doesn't matter, was off-topic. But you seem to be equating working in a lab analyzing meteorites to the profession of finding and dealing meteorites. In no way. That would be in contrary to the above, a cum hoc ergo propter hoc from your side :-) Have you been reading the recent posts? Is Catterton J plenty? So you're saying that these scientists should be analyzing meteorites because it's their passion. No. Where? rather than performing original research Aha. Papers introducing and dealing with the analyzes of aspects of newly found meteorites are no original research? Not sure, what most meteoricists would say to that opinion I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I try to say, that there is an enormous cliff in such countries, like Australia, like Algeria (cause Greg menrionned in) between the auxesis of meteorites as objects of highest national and cultural interest and consequently the legal ban that any private finger may touch such an object, up to the infraction into highest personal rights, like disappropriation and on the other hand, they (and sometimes those they include the sharpest agitators for such prohibitions) do absolutely nothing with the finds. We don't know the budgetary constraints of institutions But we can compare - if a former first world meteorite nation and desert country publishes in 10 years as many new meteorites, as a single one of the top classifiers does in one month, then there seems to go something wrong. And absolutely independent from the quite luxurious cooking trips for the hunt for the lizard with the colorful tongue, one feels that they could need urgently help - and that the status, they impose on the objects called meteorites by law, can't be justified any longer. They're usually studies performed on older meteorites. Have you made meanwhile stats, about how many papers are published about new cold and hot desert finds and how many based on old materials? As collectors, we think it's more interesting to see new meteorites than it is to study ones we already have. Not necessarily, but if you contrast the Antarctic finds and the hot desert finds of our generation with the 3000 meteorites we only would have else, you may can see, that this bonanza yielded materials and possibilities, we simply hadn't before. But if they're choosing to do other things like write papers on something else, who are you to criticize them? Maybe you mix me up with an author of the earlier posts. My position is, on what a scientist is working or not, is absolutely not my cup of tea. But I sharply criticize if these forbid others the work, they are not doing and I sharply criticize if they constrain the work of their fellow scientists. Saying that they are exceptions to the rule excuses them from lying?! Wow. You're saying that so long as greed is the exception to the rule, it's ok. That stylistic device shall be called from now on: Utasm. 1.Impose to your discussion partner something totally different from that, what he said. 2. Pack it in the form of a rhetorical question 3. Answer your own rhetorical question, as you would be the discussion partner. 4. State, that your answer on your question was given by the discussion partner. (5. Refer to 4. at later opportunities by apophasis as often as you can.) Juhuuu Jason, I told that, that what the Labennes did, was an exception. An exception from the usual good behavior. I was telling, that it is normal, if someone recovers by his work a new strewnfield or an extraordinary find, to concede him some time to look undisturbed for more. Have you ever heard of Gold Basin? You talk about dealers like they're some evil pack of misers. Check your
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Update 2 - Wilbur Wash (correction)
Ahm ... virtual silence is quite comfortable :-) Best as ever, Matthias - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Update 2 - Wilbur Wash (correction) At least until meteoritics will be reckoned to the humanities. (Quiet Mathias!) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: AD: VERY LAST CALL- Join My Private Meteorite Sale Group To See Offers Like These!
* JOIN my Private Meteorite Sales List To Get Offers Like These Below. I am really trying to keep my sales traffic off the Met-List, so please join this list to keep receiving specials. The best are yet to come and they will not be offered on the Met-List. Click and send This email to join: meteoritecollector-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Hello, *PLEASE, because this is a special sale with extreme low prices, I would appreciate prompt payment. I decided that between now and Xmas ... I will offer to my private list first... 1 to 5 specimens, each day, at really give away or almost give away prices... keep watch. First buy first serve SHIPPING IS FREE IN THE US Probably will do this every night until XMAS! I will also leave the previous offerings up until the 26th, if they have not sold. ALL of these are the lowest I have ever offered them! THERE ARE SOME FANTASTIC DEALS HERE! SALE #5 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=220698110938 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200552515196 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190480986919 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200549620618 SALE #4 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190471359556 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200536649507 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200537364908 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=20054925 SALE #3 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190460727064 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200550181478 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200555710115 SALE #2 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190422323164 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200544502366 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190480906074 SALE #1 SOLD OUT Happy Holiday's and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning about ebay member
Hi folks and Happy Holidays, I would suggest not sending any items until payment is received. I occasionally buy from some of you folks on ebay, don't let some scumbag ruin it for you or the legitimate collectors. Report these fraud buyers and block them and spread the word about them. No money, not item. If they don't like it tell them to go elsewhere. Regards, Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Air Force to Share Its Info on Bolides
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/12/air-force-to-share-intel-on-planet-flattening-meteorites Air Force to Share Its Info on Planet-Flattening Meteorites By David Axe Wired December 15, 2010 Sixty-five million years ago a five-mile wide meteorite smashed into the Earth, wreaking havoc on weather patterns and possibly hastening the extinction of the dinosaurs. In June 1908, a somewhat smaller space rock exploded over a luckily uninhabited Tunguska, Siberia, flattening trees and killing reindeer over a nearly 10-mile radius. The fire was brighter than the sun, one eyewitness claimed. These planet-altering meteorites were once thought quite rare. Then came the Cold War. The U.S. Air Force filled Earth orbit with sophisticated satellites meant to spot nuclear tests and missile launches. The satellites, it turned out, were also quite good at detecting the explosions - the official term is bolide - of meteorites like that over Tunguska. We now know they occur as frequently as several times a year. Over the decades, the military has periodically released brief reports on bolides and the other effects of so-called Near-Earth Objects. Today, for the first time, the Air Force is considering openly sharing this vital intel in a systematic way. There are clear scientific reasons for better data-sharing. From past experience working with U.S. government satellite data, the information provided is unmatched by any other data source and allows scientific analyses which are otherwise impossible, Peter Brown told Space.com. But never mind all that. Planet Earth's safety is at stake. This isn't national security. It's global security. Data from NEO air-burst events observed by the U.S. Department of Defense satellites should be made available to the scientific community to allow it to improve understanding of the NEO hazards to Earth, stated a report from the National Research Council. The Air Force anticipates sharing a range of data on bolides, including: date, time, location and altitude of the explosion, meteorite velocity and total radiated energy of the blast. The trick, from the Air Force's point of view, is sharing info without giving away the capabilities of its most secret satellites. The Air Force has run into a similar problem with its mysterious X-37B space plane. The X-37 is meant, in part, to boost military space awareness. But to soothe other space-faring nations, some critics say the Air Force should share the data the X-37 gathers. Scientists say a shared bolide-tracking system could be modeled on the current Space Situational Awareness Sharing Program, which uses U.S. military systems to track orbital debris, and shares that data with other government agencies, foreign countries and private companies. I would say that we're working it, said Robert Rego, chief of Space and Cyberspace Operational Integration at Colorado's Peterson Air Force Base, not from the perspective of 'no and how we can't do it'... but from 'yes, and how we can do it' and make it beneficial while still protecting a space capability. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning about ebay member
I've always paid first and then wait for delivery which depending on the vagaries of postal systems can take awhile. Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] eclipse is underway....
Hello, Clear skies... 40 degrees F... eclipse is underway and beautiful... Happy Solstice! Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eclipse is underway....
Hello Michael, Please enjoy the eclipse for me too. All I can see here is a bright, fuzzy ball that is missing a significant chunk. That's what I have to look at, courtesy of our steadily building cloud cover here. Sigh... Best! Ed - Original Message - From: michael cottingham voyagebotan...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:47 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] eclipse is underway Hello, Clear skies... 40 degrees F... eclipse is underway and beautiful... Happy Solstice! Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eclipse is underway....
Snowing here in Utah. Columbus State University has a good (albeit slow) web feed. 54,000 on the NASA Marshall site but they are clouded. But as I just told a friend, I'll gladly give this eclipse up if only the weather Goddess will just give me clear skies for the May 2012 annular. :) patrick On 20 Dec 2010, at 23:59, Ed Deckert wrote: Hello Michael, Please enjoy the eclipse for me too. All I can see here is a bright, fuzzy ball that is missing a significant chunk. That's what I have to look at, courtesy of our steadily building cloud cover here. Sigh... Best! Ed __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eclipse is underway....
Perfectly clear here in Florida... and chilly! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: michael cottingham voyagebotan...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:47 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] eclipse is underway Hello, Clear skies... 40 degrees F... eclipse is underway and beautiful... Happy Solstice! Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Eclipse is underway.
Hi, It's raining...it's pouring...and this old man's bout to be snoring. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 Las Vegas __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eclipse is underway....
Eclipse On Demand: I have cloud cover so thick there wasn't even a bright spot behind the clouds. Might as well be no Moon at all. I Googled up long list of live streaming eclipse feeds. Every one timed out, failed to connect, server cannot find. Guess it's Supply and Demand: more eclipse watching than there is eclipse to go around. Open Google Earth. Switch to Google Sky. Open list of Layers. Uncheck everything but SLOOH camera. Double-click SLOOH layer. You get a box with live camera BW image of Moon about the size of my thumbnail, little smaller. Very abstract, but live... Double- click on SLOOH image, you get a blank screen which will refresh eventually with a still image. The image can then be re-opened in Firefox from a tab inside the Google Earth window (upper right). Hey! The image is almost 3 across and refreshes periodically, but eclipses don't race anyway. Still pretty abstract, but it's warmer than real thing. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Ed Deckert edeck...@triad.rr.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eclipse is underway Hello Michael, Please enjoy the eclipse for me too. All I can see here is a bright, fuzzy ball that is missing a significant chunk. That's what I have to look at, courtesy of our steadily building cloud cover here. Sigh... Best! Ed - Original Message - From: michael cottingham voyagebotan...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:47 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] eclipse is underway Hello, Clear skies... 40 degrees F... eclipse is underway and beautiful... Happy Solstice! Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eclipse is underway....
Good view here: http://www.ccssc.org/webcast.html Better here: http://www.wpbt2.org/stargazer/ Both, as you might expect, are running slow. patrick __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
