Ahoy there, Jason, Shawn and list.
Intriguing situation, Jason. Thanks for sharing.
And like you Shawn, I'm glad I got my beautiful little slice from Joe. I
didn't see all that much drama in it, though. He put in a lot of work, and
found enough to be able to both keep some and sell enough to
Ok. I cant keep this quite anymore... Screw the lies and secrets. I think the
truth should be out there.
About Joes awesome stone...
He told me personally and we also talked over email about it... he found it on
the same persons property that someone else had already stolen a stone from.
Yes,
Greg,
Thank you for your honesty. Why did it take so long for this to come to light??
thanx,
Steve
Steve Witt
IMCA #9020
http://imca.cc/
--- On Sun, 5/8/11, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
Greg, Shawn, Dirk, Jason and List,
Since seeking expertise in hunting and purchasing meteorites from persons I met
through this List, I have been lied to, and cheated, more than a few times. I
must be fair and mention I've also made some really great friendships. Most of
my bad experiences
Greetings,
With Jason running down all the details of these questionable specimens,
this is one that was found out. Now how many have not been found out???
--AL Mitterling
- Original Message -
From: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net
To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com;
glad I have none of it and never will
karma is a firm mistress-good luck to the snakes
and fair play to Guido for wanting to see the REAL owner compensated
the DO not buy from list just got a bit bigger
Jim Brady
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What greg? What are you on? I did find. It under the bridge. Ask my kids. I
NEVER told you that. I told you that marvin found one on somebodys land n didnt
pay. Not in the same place i found mine. Where did you hear this bs? It sure
wan NOT from me. So before you post crap like this, get your
IT WAS NOT STOLEN. GREG IS FULL OF IT
Best Wishes,
Joe Kerchner
http://illinoismeteorites.com
http://skyrockcafe.com
--- On Sun, 5/8/11, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote:
From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss
I think greg should get booted or at least suspended from here for spreading
made up BS on here that could ruin my reputation. This is NOT RIGHT. I am so
very very POed right now. I cant even believe Im reading this crap. Why did you
make this up, THEN POST IT. Cmon grag. I know we never got
Pics of the find in situ with gps coords should settle this.
On May 8, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Joe Kerchner skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
I think greg should get booted or at least suspended from here for spreading
made up BS on here that could ruin my reputation. This is NOT RIGHT. I am
Hi List. I have several Auctions ending on eBay today and one of them is a
decent size piece of the Hammer Stone from France Ausson.
http://shop.ebay.com/emflocater/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562
Thank you.
Sincerely
Don Merchant
Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
Hello List.
This latest Mifflin business has me very disturbed, and brings up a question
I've been meaning to ask you all for a while now: How can I be sure that
any whole stone be properly labeled as classified?
Of course there are obvious stones like Camel Donga, (all those that stand
When purchasing artifacts, I learned that the more lengthy a seller's
explanation is, the more likely you are dealing with a fraudster. When the
story is long-winded as is the case with this bogus Mifflin, I immediately
become cautious. It is rare for dealers of genuine artifacts to go into
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20110506/sc_livescience/45billionyearoldmeteoriteyieldsnewmineral
Last year I sold some kilos of this meteorite to various scientists and
institutions to study, as they suspected a new mineral in the CAI inclusions.
It seems that has come to pass!
NWA 1934
I submitted the Al Mahbas pallasite to Ted Bunch many years ago, like so many
other meteorites that I submitted type specimens for, it vanished. I went to
the strewn field and found pieces myself, there is a story about it on my
website. It came out later under several different nwa numbers.
Hello,
When Jason brought this to my attention, I was in shock, then angry. A big part
of this meteorite business is trusting your source.
Mistakes can happen and without looking to deep for a guilty party and
misdeeds, I decided to just call it a lesson learned and to make sure from now
on
Hello,
I would also like to say one last thing on this subject, as far as I am
concerned. I was not told the complete chain of command of this particular
Mifflin stone when I traded/bought this from Greg Catterton. If I had been told
the complete story and how this stone originated... I would
Amen Brother!
Michael Cottingham
On May 7, 2011, at 9:21 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:
I have this to say, we discussed this right after the fall, no one I know
believed that story or that stone was true. It is lunacy to think that
someone in Mifflin decided to refuse all the offers of cash
All of the scams lately from Kansas to Mifflin to Texas are really starting to
be a blight on meteorites. Sad that these falls seem to bring out the scammers
wanting to cash in. Now you all know exactly why the Whetstone Mountains
meteorite fall was closely controlled and information was not
Hello,
Good question. I have accounted for and taken out of the gene pool, almost
all of the bad Mifflin that I got dragged into. I do not know about the others.
Best Wishes
Michael Cottingham
On May 7, 2011, at 8:31 PM, drtanuki wrote:
Jason,
You raise several good points and analysis.
First of all - Happy Mother's Day!
Second, sorry for any delayed postings over the last few days - I've been out
of town without email access.
Best Regards, Art
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Sounds like someone owes me a Mifflin replacement since I have a piece of
this rock from Carl myself!!!
Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
Secr.,
Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
IMCA #9052
Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA
-Original Message-
From: Greg Catterton
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 4:07 AM
Hello All,
I have a request to make of people posting to this List, IMCA List or
elsewhere. Since there are multiple members with the same first name, (ie.
Carl, Dave, Eric, Mike, Bob, Greg, among others), can posters please include
the last initial or complete last name of the particular
Greetings,
Since Greg has went publically and made the claim that Joe found his stone
some where else other than the bridge, I would ask at this time that he
provide proof to the list, this is so.
While I don't have reason to not believe either Joe or Greg, someone isn't
playing straight
I totally agree Adam and I will be following this closely.
Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
Secr.,
Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
IMCA #9052
Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA
-Original Message-
From: Adam Hupe
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 12:06 PM
To: Adam
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin,
With all of the goings on now concerning Mifflin stones, I want to mention two
important things here.
The first concerns Todd Parker and the 10.3 gram Mifflin stone that he has on
eBay right now.
In reading my post to the list, I made a glaring errorTodd Parker found the
108 gram Mifflin stone, not me. The typo reads that I found and should read
that he found Apologies to Todd and all for my error. Jack
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Hello All...again.
I am taking the advice of another member and decided to use my whole last
name for other consideration I had not thought of.
Like Jack Schrader's nice well wishes on Mother's Day, I also would like to
wish a Happy Mother's Day to all that it applies!
Best Regards,
Greg
Helli Listers
I would like to thank everyone that submitted their answers and congratulated
John L C for being the Lister to send me the correct answer. He will be
receiving a free Harrisonville 245mg meteorite fragment found in 1933 in Cass
Co. Missouri.
Question
What is the first ANSMET
Greg Hupe makes a huge pointwhen I first read the name Greg with no
initial or last name, momentarily I was, well very very confused until I
figured it out.
Richard Montgomery
- Original Message -
From: Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net
To: meteoritelist
Hi Greg Hupe and all, :-)
Good idea as it is sometimes hard to follow what went on years laster in
threads. I'd say we should do this all the time so we don't get out of
practice when a big thread takes off like this.
We don't want people thinking bad things about the respectable dealers
I have to agree, Al.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Or at least *some* proof.
He said he said... is far from it.
Linton(Rohr, to be perfectly clear ;^)
- Original Message -
From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday,
Hello,
Since Jason posted his discovery, 2 more pieces of fake Mifflin have been
recovered. Taking into account cut loss, I think I am almost certain that I
have recovered 95% of the stone that I was duped into buying. I will not be
100% certain until all of the pieces are returned to me.
Re Mifflin,
I Bought a hand full of small specimens on ebay
that were nothing more than hot rocks. It pissed me off,
but I figured the guy was a dumb ass rather that fraudulent
and just threw them away. It wasn't worth going through
PayPal procedures.
Someone said the Joe Kerchner
--- On Sun, 5/8/11, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote:
By a photo in situ next to a GPS unit. Well, that is not
how
All hunters process finds. One should not be REQUIRED to
Purchase a GPS unit and digital camera to find meteorites.
AND it is
unreasonable to expect
Someone to
Hello all!
One of the members of the french speaking meteorite forum (
http://meteorites.superforum.fr/forum ), conceived an instrument based
on the magnetic susceptibility of the meteorites that can easily
distinguish between an H and an L chondrite.
It only needs a flat surface of 15 mm
Hello,
I think the one you mentioned...is really hard to tell. Catterton did a part
trade/cash deal with me and some of the trade material was REAL Mifflin that I
personally found, even though you purchased it from him it might be the real
deal, at least on that piece. The time frame would
How can I be sure that
any whole stone be properly labeled as classified?
--
Easy,
We have only been saying this on the list since
The list began: Buy from a dealer known for honesty
And integrity.
God bless the IMCA and the hard workers of the
Board BUT I do not consider an
Hi John, Greg and All,
Thank you for bringing this up again:
I cannot tell you how many times this has been an issue over the
Years.
Imagine yourself in my place... It gets REALLY old hearing Mike
Or Michael did or said this or that.
Michael Blood?
Michael
Hi Michael and list,
Not all of the Mifflin photo's on the Met. Bulletin (IMCA Encyclopedia of
Meteorites) are of the real thing. I have three photos there. One is a
slice from Joe's main mass, another is a complete individual that I found
during my five day hunt and the fake is the
IN our court system, you must prove your innocence and are assumed
guilty once charges are filed, even if those charges are flimsy,
improper or lies. Many police departments, especially in the deep
south, are rampant with incompetence and corruption. Many innocent
people get railroaded in this
Hello,
Good Deal. Thanks for clarifying ...
Best Wishes
Michael Cottingham
On May 8, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Greg Catterton wrote:
No, I am refunding, giving credit and/or exchanges to all who got the
material.
While I am taking the steps needed to get 100% of the material returned to
me, I
Hello,
Does, this mean you are not refunding customer's money now? It is clearly not
Mifflin and it seems further tests is just a delay. If I am wrong in assuming
this, then I apologize, but it would be best to buy these back now and get them
to the trash can and out of collections.
Best
Hello List and Michael C.
A huge compelling question is what the fake Mifflin really isChergach
and Bassikounou have been suggested, or any popular H5 for that matter, and
this relates to my intermediate topic question I posted during this thread
with topic title whole stone concerns
No, I am refunding, giving credit and/or exchanges to all who got the material.
While I am taking the steps needed to get 100% of the material returned to me,
I still want answers that clearly have not been given... like what is this
stone, when/how long ago did it fall and what it likely is.
The slice Jim has is the non Mifflin stone.
Jim, sorry, I have tons of emails, just got to yours and sent you an email as
you must have been posting this.
I am reclaiming the material and will be sending a sample soon to be tested to
try to confirm when this fell and just what it is.
Greg
Jim K., any chances of posting the Met. Bull photos of the wrong one here
on List?
Richard Montgoemry
- Original Message -
From: jimsk...@aol.com
To: mikew...@gilanet.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin
Hello Michael,
It really is not that easy. As this example illustrates, even honest
dealers can be duped. I purchase meteorites from a very small list of
dealers. Very small. I have done business with some for 15 years; two I
started buying from this year. All have earned my complete
That is some of the speculation that it may be a new find, or a planted find.
Once I get some of the material returned, I am sending samples to be tested to
try to help determine what it is and how long its been on Earth.
Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
On Ebay:
Hi Ruben and list,
I tried Facebook last year for 3 months and it bored me to
tears. Big waste of time. So I ditched it. It's so sad to me that
friends and family want to use internet social media to keep in
touch instead of calling on the phone or visiting.
That being said, there
All:
I seriously doubt is from a new fall. If the person that found it thought so,
why would they disappear? Why would they not try and find more? Why would all
the deals from it's sale be untraceable?
Just too many red flags. But would be interesting to find out what it is.
Greg S
Sent from
Sent this earlier. Did not get posted. Thought Mount Baldr was the
first. See:
http://geology.cwru.edu/~amlamp/DryValleys/MBR/MBR96text.html
Chris Spratt
Victoria, BC
(Via my iPhone)
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Hey all, sorry for this off topic post, but I thought this list's members would
have the answers I seek...
I am interested in finding the mines in southern California that are open to
the public, selling them buckets of mine tailings or other material to hunt
through looking for various
Here you go:
_http://s1122.photobucket.com/albums/l523/jimski74/?action=viewcurrent=P52100062.jpg_
(http://s1122.photobucket.com/albums/l523/jimski74/?action=viewcurrent=P52100062.jpg)
Cheers,
Jim Konwerski (Jim K)
In a message dated 5/8/2011 7:17:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
OK,
I think all of you are right. Therefore, you should all send me
Your entire meteorite collections - then I will be stuck with any and
All fakes in your collections.
Just trying to be helpful, Michael
On 5/8/11 5:17 PM, Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Hello
I have a piece of the Mifflin in question and I for one want to commend Greg
for his handling of this. He has always been more than a fair dealer to me.
I have bought several from him and nothing but professional. I am in no
hurry to get a refund. I would honestly like to know WHAT it is I got
Hi Walter and List,
I understand what you are saying. There are a lot of honest people out there
just trying to make ends meet. I remember purchasing pieces from you and just
about everybody else that was around years ago and never had to worry about
what
I was getting. It was nice to be
Stuart:
I ended up with a piece as well and I have been looking at pics on the IMCA
Encyclopedia and it looks like Chergach, an H5 that fell in 2007.
Greg S
From: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
To: mikew...@gilanet.com; star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 21:51:50 -0400
Well, Walter,
I cannot speak for Matt, but I have found that getting complete provenance
and Proof of provenance is not always all that easy.
I just discussed with a collector who has been collecting for many years,
but has moved several times in his life; he could tell me exactly what each
That is what I am seeing, but I think I will wait on Catterton to let me
know what it I for sure before I make a decision unless someone wants to
trade me a real Mifflin for it. LOL.
Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
Secr.,
Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
IMCA #9052
Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA
It's not that easy for the collector.
There are some dealers out there who take offense when the collector asks
about the provenance of the samples. And that includes some IMCA members as
well.
Mark Grossman
Meteorite Manuscripts
- Original Message -
From: impact...@aol.com
To:
Yes, Mark,
I know, it has been discussed before and I believe that is wrong.
And that goes back to what I just said:
Know your dealer and buy only from dealers you trust.
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
_IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com)
Anne-
Does that help?
No problem, thus nothing to help.
and Proof of provenance is not always all that easy
Which was the point of my post.
-Walter
- Original Message -
From: impact...@aol.com
To: waltbra...@bellsouth.net; mlbl...@cox.net;
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
No fakes in my collection!
Well that's not entirely true.
Mike Gilmer recently sent me some really cool looking iron meteoerwrongs but
he identified them as such!
Thanks Mike. I really don't collect meteorwrongs but they are interesting
in their own right. There is a thread on one of the
G'Day Ruben
Well you were concerned about the slowness on the Met List. Be careful
what you wish for, it might come true ;-) ;-) I would officially call it
active at the moment.
Cheers
John Cabassi
IMCA # 2125
-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
Cool, are any of those Whetstones available for sale? I hadn't heard of any
found since Dec 2009.
Any updates on the TKW? Any smaller pieces found?
Happy hunting,
Mark B.
Vail, AZ
- Original Message
From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
To: Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com
Oops, meant to change the subject line... That's exciting news Mike!
- Original Message
From: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com
To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 8:11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss
G'Day Mark
Oh, a real bad. You know the subject line police are now on your trail.
If I were you, I'd sleep tonight with one eye open. =))
Cheers
John Cabassi
IMCA # 2125
-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
I have recieved some meteorites from list members with just the name of the
meteorite hand written on a piece of paper and the weight . I WILL not
mention any names because this may cause some problems on the list. It may
however cause problems shold I die and the only documentation is the
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