Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Linton Rohr
Ahoy there, Jason, Shawn and list. Intriguing situation, Jason. Thanks for sharing. And like you Shawn, I'm glad I got my beautiful little slice from Joe. I didn't see all that much drama in it, though. He put in a lot of work, and found enough to be able to both keep some and sell enough to

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Greg Catterton
Ok. I cant keep this quite anymore... Screw the lies and secrets. I think the truth should be out there. About Joes awesome stone... He told me personally and we also talked over email about it... he found it on the same persons property that someone else had already stolen a stone from. Yes,

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Steve Witt
Greg, Thank you for your honesty. Why did it take so long for this to come to light?? thanx, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Sun, 5/8/11, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Count Deiro
Greg, Shawn, Dirk, Jason and List, Since seeking expertise in hunting and purchasing meteorites from persons I met through this List, I have been lied to, and cheated, more than a few times. I must be fair and mention I've also made some really great friendships. Most of my bad experiences

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread al mitt
Greetings, With Jason running down all the details of these questionable specimens, this is one that was found out. Now how many have not been found out??? --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com;

[meteorite-list] Mifflin snakes in the grass

2011-05-08 Thread jim_brady611
glad I have none of it and never will karma is a firm mistress-good luck to the snakes and fair play to Guido for wanting to see the REAL owner compensated the DO not buy from list just got a bit bigger Jim Brady __ Visit the Archives at

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Joe Kerchner
What greg? What are you on? I did find. It under the bridge. Ask my kids. I NEVER told you that. I told you that marvin found one on somebodys land n didnt pay. Not in the same place i found mine. Where did you hear this bs? It sure wan NOT from me. So before you post crap like this, get your

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Joe Kerchner
IT WAS NOT STOLEN. GREG IS FULL OF IT Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com http://skyrockcafe.com --- On Sun, 5/8/11, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Joe Kerchner
I think greg should get booted or at least suspended from here for spreading made up BS on here that could ruin my reputation. This is NOT RIGHT. I am so very very POed right now. I cant even believe Im reading this crap. Why did you make this up, THEN POST IT. Cmon grag. I know we never got

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Mike Hankey
Pics of the find in situ with gps coords should settle this. On May 8, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Joe Kerchner skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: I think greg should get booted or at least suspended from here for spreading made up BS on here that could ruin my reputation. This is NOT RIGHT. I am

[meteorite-list] AD: Ausson meteorite auction ending today

2011-05-08 Thread Don Merchant
Hi List. I have several Auctions ending on eBay today and one of them is a decent size piece of the Hammer Stone from France Ausson. http://shop.ebay.com/emflocater/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 Thank you. Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders

[meteorite-list] whole stone concerns

2011-05-08 Thread Richard Montgomery
Hello List. This latest Mifflin business has me very disturbed, and brings up a question I've been meaning to ask you all for a while now: How can I be sure that any whole stone be properly labeled as classified? Of course there are obvious stones like Camel Donga, (all those that stand

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Adam Hupe
When purchasing artifacts, I learned that the more lengthy a seller's explanation is, the more likely you are dealing with a fraudster. When the story is long-winded as is the case with this bogus Mifflin, I immediately become cautious. It is rare for dealers of genuine artifacts to go into

[meteorite-list] New mineral in NWA 1934

2011-05-08 Thread Michael Farmer
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20110506/sc_livescience/45billionyearoldmeteoriteyieldsnewmineral Last year I sold some kilos of this meteorite to various scientists and institutions to study, as they suspected a new mineral in the CAI inclusions. It seems that has come to pass! NWA 1934

Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION- Al Mahbas

2011-05-08 Thread Michael Farmer
I submitted the Al Mahbas pallasite to Ted Bunch many years ago, like so many other meteorites that I submitted type specimens for, it vanished. I went to the strewn field and found pieces myself, there is a story about it on my website. It came out later under several different nwa numbers.

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread michael cottingham
Hello, When Jason brought this to my attention, I was in shock, then angry. A big part of this meteorite business is trusting your source. Mistakes can happen and without looking to deep for a guilty party and misdeeds, I decided to just call it a lesson learned and to make sure from now on

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread michael cottingham
Hello, I would also like to say one last thing on this subject, as far as I am concerned. I was not told the complete chain of command of this particular Mifflin stone when I traded/bought this from Greg Catterton. If I had been told the complete story and how this stone originated... I would

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread michael cottingham
Amen Brother! Michael Cottingham On May 7, 2011, at 9:21 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: I have this to say, we discussed this right after the fall, no one I know believed that story or that stone was true. It is lunacy to think that someone in Mifflin decided to refuse all the offers of cash

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Michael Farmer
All of the scams lately from Kansas to Mifflin to Texas are really starting to be a blight on meteorites. Sad that these falls seem to bring out the scammers wanting to cash in. Now you all know exactly why the Whetstone Mountains meteorite fall was closely controlled and information was not

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread michael cottingham
Hello, Good question. I have accounted for and taken out of the gene pool, almost all of the bad Mifflin that I got dragged into. I do not know about the others. Best Wishes Michael Cottingham On May 7, 2011, at 8:31 PM, drtanuki wrote: Jason, You raise several good points and analysis.

[meteorite-list] Sorry about any delays - from the Admin

2011-05-08 Thread Art Jones
First of all - Happy Mother's Day! Second, sorry for any delayed postings over the last few days - I've been out of town without email access. Best Regards, Art __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Stuart McDaniel
Sounds like someone owes me a Mifflin replacement since I have a piece of this rock from Carl myself!!! Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA -Original Message- From: Greg Catterton Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 4:07 AM

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Greg Hupe
Hello All, I have a request to make of people posting to this List, IMCA List or elsewhere. Since there are multiple members with the same first name, (ie. Carl, Dave, Eric, Mike, Bob, Greg, among others), can posters please include the last initial or complete last name of the particular

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread al mitt
Greetings, Since Greg has went publically and made the claim that Joe found his stone some where else other than the bridge, I would ask at this time that he provide proof to the list, this is so. While I don't have reason to not believe either Joe or Greg, someone isn't playing straight

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Stuart McDaniel
I totally agree Adam and I will be following this closely. Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 12:06 PM To: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin,

[meteorite-list] Mifflin with provenance

2011-05-08 Thread Jack Schrader
With all of the goings on now concerning Mifflin stones, I want to mention two important things here.  The first concerns Todd Parker and the 10.3 gram Mifflin stone that he has on eBay right now. 

[meteorite-list] Correction to my last post

2011-05-08 Thread Jack Schrader
In reading my post to the list, I made a glaring errorTodd Parker found the 108 gram Mifflin stone, not me.  The typo reads that I found and should read that he found  Apologies to Todd and all for my error.  Jack __ Visit the Archives at

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Greg Hupé
Hello All...again. I am taking the advice of another member and decided to use my whole last name for other consideration I had not thought of. Like Jack Schrader's nice well wishes on Mother's Day, I also would like to wish a Happy Mother's Day to all that it applies! Best Regards, Greg

[meteorite-list] POP QUIZ FRIDAYS ANSWER

2011-05-08 Thread Shawn Alan
Helli Listers I would like to thank everyone that submitted their answers and congratulated John L C for being the Lister to send me the correct answer. He will be receiving a free Harrisonville 245mg meteorite fragment found in 1933 in Cass Co. Missouri. Question What is the first ANSMET

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Richard Montgomery
Greg Hupe makes a huge pointwhen I first read the name Greg with no initial or last name, momentarily I was, well very very confused until I figured it out. Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net To: meteoritelist

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread al mitt
Hi Greg Hupe and all, :-) Good idea as it is sometimes hard to follow what went on years laster in threads. I'd say we should do this all the time so we don't get out of practice when a big thread takes off like this. We don't want people thinking bad things about the respectable dealers

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Linton Rohr
I have to agree, Al. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Or at least *some* proof. He said he said... is far from it. Linton(Rohr, to be perfectly clear ;^) - Original Message - From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday,

[meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...

2011-05-08 Thread michael cottingham
Hello, Since Jason posted his discovery, 2 more pieces of fake Mifflin have been recovered. Taking into account cut loss, I think I am almost certain that I have recovered 95% of the stone that I was duped into buying. I will not be 100% certain until all of the pieces are returned to me.

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, WHAT is Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Michael Blood
Re Mifflin, I Bought a hand full of small specimens on ebay that were nothing more than hot rocks. It pissed me off, but I figured the guy was a dumb ass rather that fraudulent and just threw them away. It wasn't worth going through PayPal procedures. Someone said the Joe Kerchner

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, WHAT is Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Richard Kowalski
--- On Sun, 5/8/11, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: By a photo in situ next to a GPS unit. Well, that is not how All hunters process finds. One should not be REQUIRED to Purchase a GPS unit and digital camera to find meteorites.          AND it is unreasonable to expect Someone to

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, WHAT is Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Habib Gupta
Hello all! One of the members of the french speaking meteorite forum ( http://meteorites.superforum.fr/forum ), conceived an instrument based on the magnetic susceptibility of the meteorites that can easily distinguish between an H and an L chondrite. It only needs a flat surface of 15 mm

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...

2011-05-08 Thread michael cottingham
Hello, I think the one you mentioned...is really hard to tell. Catterton did a part trade/cash deal with me and some of the trade material was REAL Mifflin that I personally found, even though you purchased it from him it might be the real deal, at least on that piece. The time frame would

Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns

2011-05-08 Thread Michael Blood
How can I be sure that any whole stone be properly labeled as classified? -- Easy, We have only been saying this on the list since The list began: Buy from a dealer known for honesty And integrity. God bless the IMCA and the hard workers of the Board BUT I do not consider an

[meteorite-list] CRUCIAL Using Last Names in Posts

2011-05-08 Thread Michael Blood
Hi John, Greg and All, Thank you for bringing this up again: I cannot tell you how many times this has been an issue over the Years. Imagine yourself in my place... It gets REALLY old hearing Mike Or Michael did or said this or that. Michael Blood? Michael

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...

2011-05-08 Thread Jimski47
Hi Michael and list, Not all of the Mifflin photo's on the Met. Bulletin (IMCA Encyclopedia of Meteorites) are of the real thing. I have three photos there. One is a slice from Joe's main mass, another is a complete individual that I found during my five day hunt and the fake is the

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, WHAT is Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Galactic Stone Ironworks
IN our court system, you must prove your innocence and are assumed guilty once charges are filed, even if those charges are flimsy, improper or lies. Many police departments, especially in the deep south, are rampant with incompetence and corruption. Many innocent people get railroaded in this

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...

2011-05-08 Thread michael cottingham
Hello, Good Deal. Thanks for clarifying ... Best Wishes Michael Cottingham On May 8, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Greg Catterton wrote: No, I am refunding, giving credit and/or exchanges to all who got the material. While I am taking the steps needed to get 100% of the material returned to me, I

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...

2011-05-08 Thread michael cottingham
Hello, Does, this mean you are not refunding customer's money now? It is clearly not Mifflin and it seems further tests is just a delay. If I am wrong in assuming this, then I apologize, but it would be best to buy these back now and get them to the trash can and out of collections. Best

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...

2011-05-08 Thread Richard Montgomery
Hello List and Michael C. A huge compelling question is what the fake Mifflin really isChergach and Bassikounou have been suggested, or any popular H5 for that matter, and this relates to my intermediate topic question I posted during this thread with topic title whole stone concerns

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...

2011-05-08 Thread Greg Catterton
No, I am refunding, giving credit and/or exchanges to all who got the material. While I am taking the steps needed to get 100% of the material returned to me, I still want answers that clearly have not been given... like what is this stone, when/how long ago did it fall and what it likely is.

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...

2011-05-08 Thread Greg Catterton
The slice Jim has is the non Mifflin stone. Jim, sorry, I have tons of emails, just got to yours and sent you an email as you must have been posting this. I am reclaiming the material and will be sending a sample soon to be tested to try to confirm when this fell and just what it is. Greg

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...

2011-05-08 Thread Richard Montgomery
Jim K., any chances of posting the Met. Bull photos of the wrong one here on List? Richard Montgoemry - Original Message - From: jimsk...@aol.com To: mikew...@gilanet.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin

Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns

2011-05-08 Thread Walter Branch
Hello Michael, It really is not that easy. As this example illustrates, even honest dealers can be duped. I purchase meteorites from a very small list of dealers. Very small. I have done business with some for 15 years; two I started buying from this year. All have earned my complete

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...

2011-05-08 Thread Greg Catterton
That is some of the speculation that it may be a new find, or a planted find. Once I get some of the material returned, I am sending samples to be tested to try to help determine what it is and how long its been on Earth. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay:

Re: [meteorite-list] Where is everyone? Facebook?

2011-05-08 Thread Tom Randall (KB2SMS)
Hi Ruben and list, I tried Facebook last year for 3 months and it bored me to tears. Big waste of time. So I ditched it. It's so sad to me that friends and family want to use internet social media to keep in touch instead of calling on the phone or visiting. That being said, there

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...

2011-05-08 Thread Greg Stanley
All: I seriously doubt is from a new fall. If the person that found it thought so, why would they disappear? Why would they not try and find more? Why would all the deals from it's sale be untraceable? Just too many red flags. But would be interesting to find out what it is. Greg S Sent from

Re: [meteorite-list] POP QUIZ FRIDAYS ANSWER

2011-05-08 Thread Chris Spratt
Sent this earlier. Did not get posted. Thought Mount Baldr was the first. See: http://geology.cwru.edu/~amlamp/DryValleys/MBR/MBR96text.html Chris Spratt Victoria, BC (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at

[meteorite-list] Off Topic - Mines open to the public around San Diego?

2011-05-08 Thread Richard Kowalski
Hey all, sorry for this off topic post, but I thought this list's members would have the answers I seek... I am interested in finding the mines in southern California that are open to the public, selling them buckets of mine tailings or other material to hunt through looking for various

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...

2011-05-08 Thread Jimski47
Here you go: _http://s1122.photobucket.com/albums/l523/jimski74/?action=viewcurrent=P52100062.jpg_ (http://s1122.photobucket.com/albums/l523/jimski74/?action=viewcurrent=P52100062.jpg) Cheers, Jim Konwerski (Jim K) In a message dated 5/8/2011 7:17:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns

2011-05-08 Thread Michael Blood
OK, I think all of you are right. Therefore, you should all send me Your entire meteorite collections - then I will be stuck with any and All fakes in your collections. Just trying to be helpful, Michael On 5/8/11 5:17 PM, Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hello

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...

2011-05-08 Thread Stuart McDaniel
I have a piece of the Mifflin in question and I for one want to commend Greg for his handling of this. He has always been more than a fair dealer to me. I have bought several from him and nothing but professional. I am in no hurry to get a refund. I would honestly like to know WHAT it is I got

[meteorite-list] Mifflin Mud Monster

2011-05-08 Thread Adam Hupe
Hi Walter and List, I understand what you are saying. There are a lot of honest people out there just trying to make ends meet. I remember purchasing pieces from you and just about everybody else that was around years ago and never had to worry about what I was getting. It was nice to be

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...

2011-05-08 Thread Thunder Stone
Stuart: I ended up with a piece as well and I have been looking at pics on the IMCA Encyclopedia and it looks like Chergach, an H5 that fell in 2007. Greg S From: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: mikew...@gilanet.com; star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 21:51:50 -0400

Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns

2011-05-08 Thread Impactika
Well, Walter, I cannot speak for Matt, but I have found that getting complete provenance and Proof of provenance is not always all that easy. I just discussed with a collector who has been collecting for many years, but has moved several times in his life; he could tell me exactly what each

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...

2011-05-08 Thread Stuart McDaniel
That is what I am seeing, but I think I will wait on Catterton to let me know what it I for sure before I make a decision unless someone wants to trade me a real Mifflin for it. LOL. Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA

Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns

2011-05-08 Thread Mark Grossman
It's not that easy for the collector. There are some dealers out there who take offense when the collector asks about the provenance of the samples. And that includes some IMCA members as well. Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts - Original Message - From: impact...@aol.com To:

Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns

2011-05-08 Thread Impactika
Yes, Mark, I know, it has been discussed before and I believe that is wrong. And that goes back to what I just said: Know your dealer and buy only from dealers you trust. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com)

Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns

2011-05-08 Thread Walter Branch
Anne- Does that help? No problem, thus nothing to help. and Proof of provenance is not always all that easy Which was the point of my post. -Walter - Original Message - From: impact...@aol.com To: waltbra...@bellsouth.net; mlbl...@cox.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns

2011-05-08 Thread Walter Branch
No fakes in my collection! Well that's not entirely true. Mike Gilmer recently sent me some really cool looking iron meteoerwrongs but he identified them as such! Thanks Mike. I really don't collect meteorwrongs but they are interesting in their own right. There is a thread on one of the

Re: [meteorite-list] Where is everyone? Facebook?

2011-05-08 Thread John.L.Cabassi
G'Day Ruben Well you were concerned about the slowness on the Met List. Be careful what you wish for, it might come true ;-) ;-) I would officially call it active at the moment. Cheers John Cabassi IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

2011-05-08 Thread Mark Bowling
Cool, are any of those Whetstones available for sale?  I hadn't heard of any found since Dec 2009.   Any updates on the TKW?  Any smaller pieces found?   Happy hunting, Mark B. Vail, AZ - Original Message From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com

[meteorite-list] Whetstones Mountain meteorite

2011-05-08 Thread Mark Bowling
Oops, meant to change the subject line...  That's exciting news Mike! - Original Message From: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 8:11:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, Amiss

Re: [meteorite-list] Whetstones Mountain meteorite

2011-05-08 Thread John.L.Cabassi
G'Day Mark Oh, a real bad. You know the subject line police are now on your trail. If I were you, I'd sleep tonight with one eye open. =)) Cheers John Cabassi IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com

Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns

2011-05-08 Thread Steve Dunklee
I have recieved some meteorites from list members with just the name of the meteorite hand written on a piece of paper and the weight . I WILL not mention any names because this may cause some problems on the list. It may however cause problems shold I die and the only documentation is the