Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
I'd like to speak for myself and say I'm not ordering anything from Morocco until Gary gets his money back. I just canceled an order for 75 kilos because I am not risking my money with somebody who may know this guy who ripped off Gary. I do not support this kind of behavior and i already heard to be careful when dealing directly with the Moroccans. What just happened to Gary didn't happen from some fly by night con artist, this guy has sold stuff before and is known amongst the Moroccans. It's going to take a lot more then throwing a few names at me to earn my trust I want to see them do something about this and self regulate themselves before i send a few thousand dollars by western union. Anyways this is how i feel and im entitled to say and do whatever i want especially since i know Gary and I am very upset in learning that he got cheated out of his hard earned money. The honest Moroccan dealers need to be concerned when somebody from their circle of business associates is pulling scams as it has a ripple effect on their over all image.. the same concept applies when IMCA is concerned when one of their own isn't playing by the rules, same principle in effect here according to me. this is my opinion and i stand behind it 100% Daniel Furlan On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:37 AM, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote: This is going way too far. Nobody over there owes anyone jack. To insinuate that honest dealers in Africa or anywhere else have a responsibility to hunt down deadbeats is moronic. We know the risks involved unless we WERE born yesterday. I believe I speak for everybody when I say you don't even come close to speaking for everybody. Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:21:20 -0400 From: danfur...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comki Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
Easy solution to collecting debt from a thief in Morocco... Fly there, go straight to the town he lives, go directly to the chief of police and file a report. They do not mess around and will have the thief on the phone within minutes and demand action or get tossed in jail! How do I know this you may ask... Easy, I did it three years ago with immediate results. If you want to deal, you should go to the source, you can pick your own stones, take your gambles and can appreciate where the meteorites come from!! Still having fun in France, St. Marie Show is in high gear... and I have scored some goodies!!! ;-) Best Regards, Greg Hupe On Jun 23, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2011
All, Had my first trip to Ensisheim this year, and loved it! I met many members of our community, from all over they world, and they made me feel very welcome. Some of my photos can be seen at: www.lutherjackson.co.uk, click on the Ensisheim 2011 link. Cheers, Luther, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2011
Thank you, Luther. Much appreciated. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Luther Jackson lutherjack...@gmail.com Sent: Jun 23, 2011 4:27 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2011 All, Had my first trip to Ensisheim this year, and loved it! I met many members of our community, from all over they world, and they made me feel very welcome. Some of my photos can be seen at: www.lutherjackson.co.uk, click on the Ensisheim 2011 link. Cheers, Luther, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ~AD~ ebay items ending on sunday -motivated to move on some bigger items-make offers
Hi list I have a few auctions ending on Sunday and I'm motivated to move on my 23 gram Gujba slice http://is.gd/RwuogK and my 99 gram endcut of NWA 1933 LL3 which is a really nice piece http://is.gd/ZkqKc0 please do hit me up with your best offer on these 2 specifically as they MUST go-ALL offers are appreciated don't worry about them being too low you just might win.I need some quick funds in a bit of a rush- thanks for looking my meteorite friends. I have also reduced the buy it now for the 6.7 gram complete Rumurutiite individual of NWA 753 http://is.gd/tKhPX1 TAGISH LAKE half gram started at one half the current $600 a gram asking price elsewhere http://is.gd/Gc2GQ9 GIBEON etched slice 9.9 grams with large surface area from The Nature Source collection purchased many years ago http://is.gd/3DCyzr IMILAC etched translucent slice 8.3 grams--been stable in soggy Ireland for many years now--started at half the current going rate http://is.gd/icDsa8 CRUMLIM micro from Rob Elliot and the NHM London provenance http://is.gd/o5WvQS LIMERICK lot of 6 micro from Rob Elliot via NHM London http://is.gd/3gPZ0I BOXHOLE 5 gram indiv from Eric Twelker who has now sold out of Boxhole. Can't see a whole lot of this around http://is.gd/GGF9Ve Also later tonight I have started a .57 gram slice of NWA 400 Lunar anorthositic breccia which has a great surface area and lots of anorthosite clasts imbedded. Keep an eye out for my other auctions ,this one starts at 3 0 clock PDT and it is a really nice lunar slice with a realistic starting price and should climb a little bit higher than the opening asking price. thanks all --one last time--PLEASE send me your offers on those bigger items--I'm motivated to move all the best from rainy and cold Ireland--what a summer we're having ;- ) Jim Brady IMCA 2424 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ~AD~ nwa 400 should be DAG 400 of course
NWA 400 is a provisional number for Dean with 1000's of pieces making up his 10 kilos.Hey Dean--number assigned in 2000--wow now thats a hold- up Jim __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2011 - new photos
Outstanding photos, Hanno. Thanks for posting them. Paul Swartz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cargo Freighter Ends Flight (ATV-2)
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1106/22atventry/ Cargo freighter ends flight, third ATV set for 2012 launch BY STEPHEN CLARK SPACEFLIGHT NOW June 22, 2011 BREMEN, Germany -- Fulfilling its final duty as a trash hauler, the European Space Agency's second Automated Transfer Vehicle made a suicidal plunge into the Pacific Ocean on Tuesday with 2,600 pounds of garbage from the International Space Station. Meanwhile, German engineers are preparing Europe's third robotic cargo freighter for another resupply mission in early 2012. The 32-foot-long ship, named Johannes Kepler for the German astronomer and mathematician, undocked from the space station Monday and fired its engines twice Tuesday to lower its orbit and drop back into the atmosphere. The ATV was not equipped with a heat shield, so engineers expected the craft to tumble and burn up when it encountered the scorching temperatures of re-entry. Engineers at the ATV control center in Toulouse, France, lost radio contact with the spacecraft at 2041 GMT (4:41 p.m. EDT) as the ship descended at an altitude of about 50 miles, according to the European Space Agency. Debris from the ATV, including its main engines and docking adapter, should have impacted the remote Pacific Ocean around 2100 GMT (5 p.m. EDT), ESA officials said. Controllers expected the hardiest components to strike the ocean at about 43.05 degrees south latitude and 147.02 degrees west longitude. The remote strech of the Pacific Ocean is about 1,500 miles east of New Zealand and 3,700 miles west of Chile. A small hardened data recorder was inside the spacecraft to capture information on the environment the ATV experience during its fiery demise. Provided by the Aerospace Corp., the recorder was designed to transmit data back to engineers via an Iridium satellite before impacting the ocean. The ATV launched Feb. 16 and reached the space station Feb. 24. The Johannes Kepler mission delivered about 3,500 pounds of dry cargo in its pressurized cabin. Astronauts manually unloaded that equipment during the craft's stay. The spacecraft also carried refueling propellant and oxygen to replenish the station's tanks. The ATV's last duty before leaving the space station was boosting the lab's orbit by 35 kilometers, or about 22 miles. The spacecraft fired its thrusters over three days between June 12 and June 17 to raise the station's orbit. The complex is now circling the planet at an average altitude of 237 miles, higher than the space station has ever flown before. The reboosts were conceived to place the lab higher above the drag effects of Earth's atmosphere, increasing the station's fuel efficiency over the next decade. The mission of ATV-2 has been very smooth and we have encountered during these four months only very minor issues that were quickly taken care of by our teams, said Nico Dettmann, head of ESA's ATV program. Attention now turns to the third ATV mission christened Edoardo Amaldi after an accomplished Italian physicist. ATV has shown again its capabilities in servicing the station and we are looking forward to the next, Edoardo Amaldi, which will be shipped to Kourou in August for launch in early 2012. The Edoardo Amaldi spacecraft is undergoing final assembly and systems testing at an EADS Astrium facility in Bremen, Germany. It will be shipped at the beginning of August, said Wolfgang Paetsch, head of the ATV program at EADS Astrium. So in the next few weeks, we have quite a lot to do, but we're on track. We're very optimistic we will make it, and we are well-observed by a lot of people. And we think we can deliver in time and with good quality as we did for ATV 2. Unlike most satellites, the cargo freighters do not go through extensive shake and thermal testing to ensure they will survive the flight. Some individual components and systems go through such testing, but engineers are confident the ATV spacecraft is qualified to fly in space. Both ATV missions thus far have performed with almost no faults. The Edoardo Amaldi mission will carry more supplies than its predecessors in the ship's pressurized integrated cargo carrier module. It will also ferry oxygen, water and refueling propellant to the space station. Engineers conduct the systems testing at the German factory with the spacecraft in a soft-mate configuration, in which the ATV's cargo module is wired to the vehicle's propulsion and service module with cables and plumbing. That's enough to complete the necessary testing, and the ATV's central components won't be physically attached until they are at the launch site in Kourou, French Guiana. Once the testing is finished, workers will load the ATV on a ship to sail to the mission's South America launch site. Liftoff is scheduled for February. Pieces of the fourth and fifth ATV cargo freighters are already at the Astrium facility to begin assembly for launches in 2013 and 2014. We're now at the peak of production, Paetsch said. The center of
[meteorite-list] NASA Cassini Spacecraft Captures Ocean-Like Spray At Enceladus
June 22, 2011 Dwayne C. Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov Jia-Rui Cook Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-0850 jcc...@jpl.nasa.gov Markus Bauer European Space Agency 011-31-71-565-6799 markus.ba...@esa.int RELEASE: 11-196 NASA CASSINI SPACECRAFT CAPTURES OCEAN-LIKE SPRAY AT SATURN MOON WASHINGTON -- NASA's Cassini spacecraft has discovered the best evidence yet for a large-scale saltwater reservoir beneath the icy crust of Saturn's moon Enceladus. The data came from the spacecraft's direct analysis of salt-rich ice grains close to the jets ejected from the moon. Data from Cassini's cosmic dust analyzer show the grains expelled from fissures, known as tiger stripes, are relatively small and usually low in salt far away from the moon. But closer to the moon's surface, Cassini found that relatively large grains rich with sodium and potassium dominate the plumes. The salt-rich particles have an ocean-like composition and indicate that most, if not all, of the expelled ice and water vapor comes from the evaporation of liquid salt-water. The findings appear in this week's issue of the journal Nature. There currently is no plausible way to produce a steady outflow of salt-rich grains from solid ice across all the tiger stripes other than salt water under Enceladus's icy surface, said Frank Postberg, a Cassini team scientist at the University of Heidelberg, Germany, and the lead author on the paper. When water freezes, the salt is squeezed out, leaving pure water ice behind. If the plumes emanated from ice, they should have very little salt in them. The Cassini mission discovered Enceladus' water-vapor and ice jets in 2005. In 2009, scientists working with the cosmic dust analyzer examined some sodium salts found in ice grains of Saturn's E ring, the outermost ring that gets its material primarily from Enceladean jets. But the link to subsurface salt water was not definitive. The new paper analyzes three Enceladus flybys in 2008 and 2009 with the same instrument, focusing on the composition of freshly ejected plume grains. The icy particles hit the detector target at speeds between 15,000 and 39,000 mph (23,000 and 63,000 kilometers per hour), vaporizing instantly. Electrical fields inside the cosmic dust analyzer separated the various constituents of the impact cloud. The data suggest a layer of water between the moon's rocky core and its icy mantle, possibly as deep as about 50 miles (80 kilometers) beneath the surface. As this water washes against the rocks, it dissolves salt compounds and rises through fractures in the overlying ice to form reserves nearer the surface. If the outermost layer cracks open, the decrease in pressure from these reserves to space causes a plume to shoot out. Roughly 400 pounds (200 kilograms) of water vapor is lost every second in the plumes, with smaller amounts being lost as ice grains. The team calculates the water reserves must have large evaporating surfaces, or they would freeze easily and stop the plumes. This finding is a crucial new piece of evidence showing that environmental conditions favorable to the emergence of life can be sustained on icy bodies orbiting gas giant planets, said Nicolas Altobelli, the European Space Agency's project scientist for Cassini. Cassini's ultraviolet imaging spectrograph also recently obtained complementary results that support the presence of a subsurface ocean. A team of Cassini researchers led by Candice Hansen of the Planetary Science Institute in Tucson, Ariz., measured gas shooting out of distinct jets originating in the moon's south polar region at five to eight times the speed of sound, several times faster than previously measured. These observations of distinct jets, from a 2010 flyby, are consistent with results showing a difference in composition of ice grains close to the moon's surface and those that made it out to the E ring. The paper was published in the June 9 issue of Geophysical Research Letters. Without an orbiter like Cassini to fly close to Saturn and its moons -- to taste salt and feel the bombardment of ice grains -- scientists would never have known how interesting these outer solar system worlds are, said Linda Spilker, NASA's Cassini project scientist at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, Calif. The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of NASA, the European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency. The mission is managed by JPL for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. For more information about Cassini, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/cassini -end- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
Aloha Dan, metlist subscribers, Mahalo Dan for your support in this unfortunate situation in which I find myself. Many honorable Moroccan meteorite dealers have stepped up to communicate with Lahcen Ait Ha to resolve this problem. I am so lucky and honored to have good friends like Aziz Habibi, Said Haddany, Aid Mohamed, Ahmad Bourgaa, Ali Oulmaleh, Rachid Chaoui, Abdellah Afinnis, Abdelfattah Garrad, Aziz Alhyane, and others. They are professional in their actions and honest as the day is long. The problems lie in the scope of Lahcen Ait Ha's mental capacity and lack of moral compass. He is a troubled person who knows not right from wrong, and whose family knows of this malady. Now many of my friends are working to correct this situation. My whole intent was to warn the meteorite community about this individual. Not to punish all the meteorite dealers in Morocco for the acts of one bad person. Please lets not tarnish the good reputation or withhold business with reputable meteorite dealers there. And rest assured that efforts are being made to resolve this problem. Mahalo nui loa, gary On Jun 22, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Dan Furlan wrote: I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Mars Rover Arrives In Florida After Cross-Country Flight (MSL)
June 23, 2011 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov George Diller Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 321-867-2468 george.h.dil...@nasa.gov Guy Webster Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-6278 guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov RELEASE: 11-201 NASA MARS ROVER ARRIVES IN FLORIDA AFTER CROSS-COUNTRY FLIGHT KENNEDY SPACE CENTER, Fla. -- NASA's next Mars rover has completed the journey from its California birthplace to Florida in preparation for launch this fall. The Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) rover, also known as Curiosity, arrived Wednesday at NASA's Kennedy Space Center aboard an Air Force C-17 transport plane. It was accompanied by the rocket-powered descent stage that will fly the rover during the final moments before landing on Mars. The C-17 flight began at March Air Reserve Base in Riverside, Calif., where the boxed hardware had been trucked from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, Calif. The rover's aeroshell -- the protective covering for the trip to the Red Planet -- and the cruise stage, which will guide it to Mars, arrived at Kennedy last month. The mission is targeted to launch from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station between Nov. 25 and Dec. 18. The car-size rover will land on Mars in August 2012. The design and building part of the mission is nearly behind us now, said JPL's David Gruel, who has managed Mars Science Laboratory assembly, test and launch operations since 2007. We're getting to final checkouts before sending the rover on its way to Mars. The rover and other spacecraft components will undergo more testing before mission staff stack them and fuel the onboard propulsion systems. Curiosity should be enclosed in its aeroshell for the final time in September and delivered to Kennedy's Launch Complex 41 in early November for integration with a United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket. Curiosity is about twice as long and more than five times as heavy as any previous Mars rover. Its 10 science instruments include two for ingesting and analyzing samples of powdered rock delivered by the rover's robotic arm. During a prime mission lasting one Martian year -- nearly two Earth years -- researchers will use the rover's tools to study whether the landing region has had environmental conditions favorable for supporting microbial life and favorable for preserving clues about whether life existed. JPL built the rover and descent stage and manages the mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. Launch management for the mission is the responsibility of NASA's Launch Services Program at Kennedy. For more information about the mission, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/msl To follow the mission on Facebook and Twitter, visit: http://www.facebook.com/marscuriosity or http://www.twitter.com/marscuriosity -end- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - June 22, 2011
MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES June 22, 2011 o Polar Pit Gullies http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_022156_1115 One goal of HiRISE is to repeat observations at locations such as this to detect changes that may lead to understanding how these gullies form. o Colorful Gullies in an Unnamed Crater Southeast of Uzboi Valles http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_022262_1475 The color version of this observation reveals a variety of interesting geological features. o Opal Deposits near the Valles Marineris http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_022620_1690 The silica in this observation appears to lack a clear crystal structure and is thought to be made up of amorphous opal, which can contain up to 20 percent water. o Inverted Valleys near Juventae Chasma http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/dtm/dtm.php?ID=PSP_007627_1765 Erosion, probably by wind, stripped away the valley walls and the former flow paths are preferentially preserved as ridges. All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Citizen Scientists: Discover a New Horizons Flyby Target
http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/news_center/news/20110621.php Citizen Scientists: Discover a New Horizons Flyby Target New Horizons Project June 21, 2011 The world is invited to help discover a potential new, icy follow-on destination for NASA's New Horizons spacecraft, using the Ice Hunters http://icehunters.org website. New Horizons is currently en route to make the first flyby of the Pluto system, and is then capable of exploring additional bodies still farther out in the Kuiper Belt. Through this citizen science project, the public can help scientists search through specially-obtained telescopic images for currently unknown objects in the Kuiper Belt. Along the way, they will also discover variable stars and asteroids. Ice Hunters is a Zooniverse citizen science project. The New Horizons project is breaking new ground in many ways, says mission Principal Investigator Alan Stern, of the Southwest Research Institute. We're flying by a new kind of planet, we'll be making the most distant encounters with planetary bodies in the history of space exploration, and now we're employing citizen science to help find our potential extended mission flyby targets, perhaps a billion kilometers farther than even distant Pluto and its moons. We're very excited to be working with Zooniverse and breaking this new kind of ground, Stern says. We hope the public will be excited to join in with us and with Zooniverse to make a little history of their own by discovering our next flyby target after Pluto. On the outer edges of the solar system an icy body lurks undiscovered, orbiting on a path that will just happen to carry it toward a potential rendezvous with the New Horizons spacecraft. This mission is on course for a 2015 flyby of Pluto, an encounter that begins New Horizons' exploration of the Kuiper Belt. After visiting Pluto, the spacecraft will have enough fuel remaining to change its course to fly toward at least one and possibly two Kuiper Belt objects in the outer solar system - an object the Ice Hunters website is designed to find. The expected date of the KBO flyby will be between 2016 and 2020, depending on the object chosen and its distance from Pluto. The Kuiper Belt, a region of the outer solar system extending past Neptune, contains small or dwarf planets; these are icy objects of a variety of sizes up to thousands of kilometers across. The first KBO other than Pluto was only discovered in 1992, and the KBO population is still not well mapped. Ice Hunters will do its part to study one small slice of the Kuiper Belt as it looks for an object along New Horizons' trajectory after its Pluto flyby. If that object can be found, it will become the most distant object ever visited by a spacecraft from Earth. [Diagram] Diagram of the Kuiper Belt's location in the solar system; the yellow line marks Pluto's orbit. Using some of the largest telescopes in the world, scientists have imaged that region, producing millions of pictures that could contain images of the rare objects that are orbiting toward just the right location, along with many other small worlds on different trajectories. Ice Hunters users will be charged with marking these moving targets for follow-up examination. The images contained in IceHunters.org are difference images, created by subtracting observations taken at two different times. By subtracting the two images, scientists can mostly (but not entirely) remove the light from constant sources like stars and galaxies. Left behind are the things that move or vary in brightness: Kuiper Belt objects, asteroids, and variable stars. Since the stars never subtract off perfectly, the images appear messy, and computers can't be trained to find objects as effectively as a people can. The search team will use the millions of mouse clicks made by Ice Hunters users to identify objects moving on orbits that New Horizons might reach. When you're looking for something special in masses of messy, real-world data, sometimes there's no substitute for the human eye, and Zooniverse Ice Hunters will put thousands of eyes to work on this important job, says John Spencer, of Southwest Research Institute, a member of the New Horizons science team who is coordinating the search effort. New Horizons launched in January 2006, and is the first NASA New Frontiers mission. It tested its instruments during a 2007 flyby of the planet Jupiter, and scientists now eagerly await its July 2015 flight through the Pluto system. With this encounter, the U.S. becomes the first nation to visit all of the classical planets. If approved by NASA, the extended New Horizons journey to one or more other (and far, far smaller) targets in the Kuiper Belt will allow scientists, for the first time, to study up close the diversity of characteristics seen among Kuiper Belt objects. The Ice Hunters project was produced at Southern Ilinois University Edwardsville as part of the Zooniverse, a collection of websites administered by the Citizen
[meteorite-list] Ready with Meteor Mitts!
Dear List and Fellow MeteorRATs (Meteorite Rapid Action Teams), Be ready for some action. Breaking News Alert! O! NEOs to Rock, Rattle, and Roll; Asteroid 2011MD VERY Close Approach 27JUN2011 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/06/breaking-news-alert-neos-to-rock-rattle.html Some will see green! Dirk Ross..Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
Hi Daniel Furlan, from your text it sounds ,from one way or another,that you are attacking the moroccan dealers because of what Lahcen Ait Ha did.. First of all Lahcen ait Ha is not a dealer at all..The reall Moroccan dealers like ,Aziz Habibi,Ali Oulmah and myself are very sorry at what happen and we are doing our very best to find a solution for our friend Gary... you said ``I'm not ordering anything from Morocco until Gary gets his money back.`` but how big the order you will make if Gary gets his money back ??LOL thanks Said Haddany __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
Daniel, Dont worry we are all with our friend Gary and the story is ending soon.. it sounds like you take all the moroccans wrong,but let me tell you that you are tottaly wrong at that point..bad and good people are everywhere.. Daniel ,On last Tucson show,somebody stole a nice achondrite from me and i did announce that on the list ,so why you kept quiet,you should have helped me to get it back..right? another Moroccan dealer had been robbed off on tow nice planetry stones ,evetrybody knows that,so where you have been to help him to get them back... You said ```We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story.`` Daniel,please can you read your texts carefully before you mail them to the list on next times ?let us talk about the problem of Gary and nothing else,please ... the problem of Gary is our problem all and we are ending the story soon,but remember that many other moroccans have stories with other dealers and you will have to help and end thier stories ... best regards Said Haddany --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 10:21 PM I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ready with Meteor Mitts!
Mitts? Not exactly! Just going through my emails, and thought I'd look into this a little bit more before my morning coffee. 2011 MD was discovered by LINEAR yesterday. Most of you probably know LINEAR is another NEO survey, run as a joint effort by MIT the USAF. It's very similar in size though a little bit bigger, to 2008 TC3. It'll pass about 15,000 km (9000 miles) above the earth's surface around 0627 GMT on the 27th. The record holder is a 1 meter rock discovered back in January, 2011 CQ. It passed only ~ 5000 km (3000 miles) above the surface the day after discovery. A little more can be found about the object here:http://www.universetoday.com/87035/another-asteroid-to-give-earth-a-close-shave-june-27-2011/ The conversion table I use has this object in the 6 to 15 meter range, not the 9 - 45 meters they cite. These objects aren't all that rare. about 1000 pass through the volume of space out to the moon's distance each month. Note the media in general has lost interest in these objects too, unless they come a bit closer than usual. Hope this helps. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 - Original Message - From: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Global Meteor Observing Forum meteor...@meteorobs.org Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:31 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ready with Meteor Mitts! Dear List and Fellow MeteorRATs (Meteorite Rapid Action Teams), Be ready for some action. Breaking News Alert! O! NEOs to Rock, Rattle, and Roll; Asteroid 2011MD VERY Close Approach 27JUN2011 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/06/breaking-news-alert-neos-to-rock-rattle.html Some will see green! Dirk Ross..Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
Hi List The truth is that You should NEVER send money first to persons You dont know well. I also trained this several time on my own as*. I was ripped in Burkina Faso several times. I lost 2100euro last year becouse thief Mezgouri Fayssal sold me LL6 that on photos looks like diogenite and ofcourse he telling me its Diogenite. I never see my money or other stones to recover my loses. And he lie to me for months that he is on desert and when he return to home he will send me something agains this. Too bad, becouse I purchased from him some very nice meteorites befor that accident, so I have no reason to send him money first. My bad that I was ripped like a kid. I think I will try Greg's way and I will visit Police in agadir if he not like to speak with me during my next visit in morocco. Just be carefull... -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Discovery Adds Mystery to Earth's Genesis
http://www.space.com/12059-earth-formation-sun-building-blocks-nebula.html Results from the Genesis mission show that the Earth and planets were not made from the same mix of materials as are found in the Sun, or that the compasition of the solar nebula changed between solar formation and planet formation, or that the nebula at planet time included materials that were not present at sun-time, or... Everybody get out their bag of theories. Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dawn Nears Position for Year-Long Stay at Vesta
June 23, 2011 Dwayne C. Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov Priscilla Vega/Jia-Rui Cook Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 626-298-3290/818-354-0850 priscilla.r.v...@jpl.nasa.gov / jcc...@jpl.nasa.gov RELEASE: 11-197 NASA PROBE NEARS POSITION FOR YEAR-LONG STAY AT GIANT ASTEROID WASHINGTON -- NASA's Dawn spacecraft is on track to begin the first extended visit to a large asteroid. The mission expects to go into orbit around Vesta on July 16 and begin gathering science data in early August. Vesta resides in the main asteroid belt and is thought to be the source of a large number of meteorites that fall to Earth. The spacecraft is right on target, said Robert Mase, Dawn project manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, Calif. We look forward to exploring this unknown world during Dawn's one year stay in Vesta's orbit. After traveling nearly four years and 1.7 billion miles (2.7 billion kilometers), Dawn is approximately 96,000 miles (155,000 kilometers) away from Vesta. When Vesta captures Dawn into its orbit, there will be approximately 9,900 miles (16,000 kilometers) between them. They will be approximately 117 million miles (188 million kilometers) away from Earth. After Dawn enters Vesta's orbit, engineers will need a few days to determine the exact time of capture. Unlike other missions where a dramatic, nail-biting propulsive burn results in orbit insertion around a planet, Dawn has been using its placid ion propulsion system to subtly shape its path for years to match Vesta's orbit around the sun. Images from Dawn's framing camera, taken for navigation purposes, show the slow progress toward Vesta. They also show Vesta rotating about 65 degrees in the field of view. The images are about twice as sharp as the best images of Vesta from NASA's Hubble Space Telescope, but the surface details Dawn will obtain are still a mystery. Navigation images from Dawn's framing camera have given us intriguing hints of Vesta, but we're looking forward to the heart of Vesta operations, when we begin officially collecting science data, said Christopher Russell, Dawn principal investigator, at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA). We can't wait for Dawn to peel back the layers of time and reveal the early history of our solar system. Dawn's three instruments are all functioning and appear to be properly calibrated. The visible and infrared mapping spectrometer, for example, has started to obtain images of Vesta that are larger than a few pixels in size. During the initial reconnaissance orbit, at approximately 1,700 miles (2,700 kilometers), the spacecraft will get a broad overview of Vesta with color pictures and data in different wavelengths of reflected light. The spacecraft will move into a high altitude mapping orbit, about 420 miles (680 kilometers) above the surface to systematically map the parts of Vesta's surface illuminated by the sun; collect stereo images to see topographic highs and lows; acquire higher resolution data to map rock types at the surface; and learn more about Vesta's thermal properties. Dawn then will move even closer, to a low-altitude mapping orbit approximately 120 miles (200 kilometers) above the surface. The primary science goals of this orbit are to detect the byproducts of cosmic rays hitting the surface and help scientists determine the many kinds of atoms there, and probe the protoplanet's internal structure. As Dawn spirals away from Vesta, it will pause again at the high-altitude mapping orbit altitude. Because the sun's angle on the surface will have progressed, scientists will be able to see previously hidden terrain while obtaining different views of surface features. We've packed our year at Vesta chock-full of science observations to help us unravel the mysteries of Vesta, said Carol Raymond, Dawn's deputy principal investigator at JPL. Vesta is considered a protoplanet, or body that never quite became a full-fledged planet. Dawn launched in September 2007. Following a year at Vesta, the spacecraft will depart for its second destination, the dwarf planet Ceres, in July 2012. Dawn's mission to Vesta and Ceres is managed by JPL for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. Dawn is a project of the directorate's Discovery Program, managed by NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala. UCLA is responsible for overall Dawn mission science. Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va., designed and built the spacecraft. The German Aerospace Center, the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, the Italian Space Agency and the Italian National Astrophysical Institute are part of the mission team. For more information about Dawn, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/dawn -end- __ Visit the Archives at
[meteorite-list] Genesis Mission Suggests Sun And Planets Constructed Differently
June 23, 2011 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov DC Agle Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-393-9011 a...@jpl.nasa.gov RELEASE: 11-199 NASA MISSION SUGGESTS SUN AND PLANETS CONSTRUCTED DIFFERENTLY WASHINGTON -- Analysis of samples returned by NASA's Genesis mission indicates our sun and its inner planets may have formed differently than scientists previously thought. The data revealed slight differences in the types of oxygen and nitrogen present on the sun and planets. The elements are among the most abundant in our solar system. Although the differences are slight, the implications could help determine how our solar system evolved. The air on Earth contains three different kinds of oxygen atoms, which are differentiated by the number of neutrons they contain. Nearly 100 percent of oxygen atoms in the solar system are composed of O-16, but there also are tiny amounts of more exotic oxygen isotopes called O-17 and O-18. Researchers studying the oxygen of Genesis samples found that the percentage of O-16 in the sun is slightly higher than on Earth, the moon, and meteorites. The other isotopes' percentages were slightly lower. The implication is that we did not form out of the same solar nebula materials that created the sun -- just how and why remains to be discovered, said Kevin McKeegan, a Genesis co-investigator from the University of California, Los Angeles and the lead author of one of two Science papers published this week. The second paper detailed differences in the amount of nitrogen on the sun and planets. Like oxygen, nitrogen has one isotope, N-14, that makes up nearly 100 percent of the atoms in the solar system, but there also is a tiny amount of N-15. Researchers studying the same samples saw that when compared to Earth's atmosphere, nitrogen in the sun and Jupiter has slightly more N-14, but 40 percent less N-15. Both the sun and Jupiter appear to have the same nitrogen composition. These findings show that all solar system objects, including the terrestrial planets, meteorites and comets, are anomalous compared to the initial composition of the nebula from which the solar system formed, said Bernard Marty, a Genesis co-investigator from Centre de Recherches Petrographiques et Geochimiques in Nancy, France and the lead author of the second new Science paper. Understanding the cause of such a heterogeneity will impact our view on the formation of the solar system. Data were obtained from analysis of Genesis samples collected from the solar wind -- the material ejected from the outer portion of the sun. This material can be thought of as a fossil of our nebula because the preponderance of scientific evidence suggests that the outer layer of our sun has not changed measurably for billions of years. The sun houses more than 99 percent of the material currently in our solar system so it's a good idea to get to know it better, said Genesis principal investigator Don Burnett of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, Calif. While it was more challenging than expected we have answered some important questions, and like all successful missions, generated plenty more. Genesis launched in August 2000. The spacecraft traveled to Earth's L1 Lagrange Point about 1 million miles from Earth, where it remained for 886 days between 2001 and 2004, passively collecting solar-wind samples. On Sept. 8, 2004, the spacecraft released a sample return capsule, which made a hard landing as a result of a failed parachute in the Utah Test and Training Range in Dugway, Utah. This marked NASA's first sample return since the final Apollo lunar mission in 1972, and the first material collected beyond the moon. NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston curates the samples and supports analysis and sample allocation. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., managed the Genesis mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. The Genesis mission was part of the Discovery Program managed at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala. Lockheed Martin Space Systems in Denver developed and operated the spacecraft. Analysis at the Centre de Recherches Petrographiques et Geochimiques was supported by the Centre National d'Etudes Spatiales and the French National Center for Scientific Research in Paris. For more information on the Genesis mission, visit: http://genesismission.jpl.nasa.gov -end- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Special: Multicolor Ragland-like Chondrules-Galore - NWA 6864 L3.4
Dear collector-friends, back from the Ensisheim fair, we're thinking, what we could offer as a consolation for those, who had to stay home and are now longingly watching the pictures of the show. So we were pondering, and picked for our little Special a brand-new unequilibrated L-chondrite: NWA 6864. Here you are, after a longer absence of 3ers among our specials - a really pretty one, isn't it? http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa6864.html Look how densely the chondrules are sitting together in this meteorite. All sizes, from sparse giants to tiniest dwarves, freely mixed in a happy clutter. With W2 somewhat fresher than the average. But the main eye-catchers are - exactly: The Colors! The full spectrum is given by the colors of the individual chondrules. This L3.4 strongly resembles historic Ragland, we even think, that it is a slight idea more beautiful (biased as our taste is). Affordable it is, slices for every purse available. Just the right stone at the right moment. A very fine unequlibrated chondrite, of a special aesthetics, containing the germs for our planets - not only for the chondrules-lovers. Just Enjoy! Yours, Stefan Martin Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin Fine Meteorites for Science Collectors http://www.chladnis-heirs.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
Dear Gary and Said Haddany, Thank you for the update. I am glad to hear that you guys in Morocco are helping with this situation it shows me that you are honorable people and care about the people you do business with. I will not have a problem with buying from Morocco as a result because this shows me if something does go wrong that other dealers in Morocco are willing to help even though it is not your fault. I am not blaming or punishing anybody i just want to know that you care when something like this happens. I apologize if it sounded like I was attacking all Moroccan dealers that was not my intention. Thanks again for the update and I am happy to hear this story come to an end. I am also sorry to hear that there was a thief at the Tucson show. i was not on the met-list at the time and i would of been upset in hearing about that story as well and i would of supported you in getting your items back as well. I do not like people who steal plain and simple. Please forgive me if my words sounded harsh i was upset and I am satisfied now that the proper action is being taken. Daniel Furlan On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Said Haddany mfcollec...@yahoo.com wrote: Daniel, Dont worry we are all with our friend Gary and the story is ending soon.. it sounds like you take all the moroccans wrong,but let me tell you that you are tottaly wrong at that point..bad and good people are everywhere.. Daniel ,On last Tucson show,somebody stole a nice achondrite from me and i did announce that on the list ,so why you kept quiet,you should have helped me to get it back..right? another Moroccan dealer had been robbed off on tow nice planetry stones ,evetrybody knows that,so where you have been to help him to get them back... You said ```We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story.`` Daniel,please can you read your texts carefully before you mail them to the list on next times ?let us talk about the problem of Gary and nothing else,please ... the problem of Gary is our problem all and we are ending the story soon,but remember that many other moroccans have stories with other dealers and you will have to help and end thier stories ... best regards Said Haddany --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 10:21 PM I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: flow lines and rollover rim
Dear List, I have a 56.1g unclassified NWA for sale, that acts as a beautiful example of flow lines combined with a rollover rim, in an oriented meteorite. The piece will sell to the highest bid in the next 24h, with a minimum of $199 (including shipping). PayPal preferred. Please have a look at: http://www.asteroidchippings.com/Trade_sale.html Thanks, Rob Lenssen IMCA #1681 www.AsteroidChippings.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chondrites CM2 and CO3.2 - AD
Hello friends. I want announce two very special meteorites. NWA 6725 is chondrite CM2, with weathering grade W1 and TKW only 32.6grams. NWA 6726 is chondrite CO3.2 with also weathering grade W1. Specimen was cut on wire saw into large and thin full slices. To keep them fresh and safe, I made special display cases, similar to Greg's vacum case for NWA 5000 slice. Cases are made from stainless stell ring with plexiglass and oring. All this sit into wooden base made from one piece of merbau wood. Becouse specimen was cut into full slices, there are no smaller specimens. Only 5 full slices and one endpiece available for collectors. Please visit http://www.polandmet.com/ -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrites CM2 and CO3.2 - AD
Hi Marcin, Nice display case and meteorite. Thanks, Sonny -Original Message- From: Marcin Cimala mar...@meteoryt.net To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:32 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Chondrites CM2 and CO3.2 - AD Hello friends.I want announce two very special meteorites.NWA 6725 is chondrite CM2, with weathering grade W1 and TKW only 32.6grams.NWA 6726 is chondrite CO3.2 with also weathering grade W1. Specimen was cut on wire saw into large and thin full slices.To keep them fresh and safe, I made special display cases, similar to Greg's vacum case for NWA 5000 slice. Cases are made from stainless stell ring with plexiglass and oring. All this sit into wooden base made from one piece of merbau wood.Becouse specimen was cut into full slices, there are no smaller specimens. Only 5 full slices and one endpiece available for collectors.Please visithttp://www.polandmet.com/-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.plhttp://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.comhttp://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Dust
Here we go again. I wonder if I ground up some lunar that I have could I get away with selling it at auction as genuine lunar dust- guaranteed. The feds would probably show up Count Deiro IMCA 3536 http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2011/06/23/moon-dust-found-at-st-louis-auction-house/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Dust
I thought the dust on the tape was the only legal to own and sell NASA lunar material. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/missing-moon-dust-found-in-st-louis-auction-business-returned-to-nasas-johnson-space-center/2011/06/23/AGhR1zhH_story.html Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Dust
This story has already gone viral. The Washington Post, considered by many to be an impeccable souce, (rightly or wrongly) just misspoke the truth twice. It is illegal for individuals to own moon material. The woman said she was unaware of the history of the dust, and gave it up to authorities. Regency-Superior Auctions president David Kols said the company knew it was illegal to own moon rocks, but not moon dust, and once he learned all lunar material was illegal to possess, the auction was cancelled. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Juno/GRAIL/MSL Update - June 23, 2011
June 23, 2011 George H. Diller Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 321-867-2468 george.h.dil...@nasa.gov STATUS REPORT: ELV-062311 EXPENDABLE LAUNCH VEHICLE STATUS REPORT Spacecraft: Juno Launch Vehicle: Atlas V-551 (AV-029) Launch Site: Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Fla. Launch Pad: Space Launch Complex 41 Launch Date: Aug. 5, 2011 Launch Time: 11:39 a.m. EDT At the Astrotech payload processing facility near Kennedy Space Center, Juno's flight software is being installed into the spacecraft's primary computer. At Launch Complex 41, the last of five solid rocket boosters was attached to the Atlas booster on June 21. The Centaur upper stage will be brought to the launch pad and stacked atop the Atlas stage on Friday. The solar-powered Juno spacecraft will orbit Jupiter's poles 33 times to find out more about the gas giant's origins, structure, atmosphere and magnetosphere. Spacecraft: GRAIL (Gravity Recovery And Interior Laboratory) Launch Vehicle: Delta II 7920 Heavy Launch Site: Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Fla. Launch Pad: Space Launch Complex 17B Launch Date: Sept. 8, 2011 Launch Time: 8:37:06 a.m. EDT and 9:16:12 a.m. EDT At Astrotech, the deployment test of the GRAIL solar arrays was conducted June 18. At NASA's Space Launch Complex 17B, the first stage propulsion and pneumatic system functional checks are under way. Electrical and hydraulic checkout of the rocket began Wednesday. This will be followed on June 27 by functional checks of the second stage propulsion and pneumatic systems. GRAIL's primary science objectives will be to determine the structure of the lunar interior, from crust to core, and to advance understanding of the thermal evolution of the moon. Spacecraft: Mars Science Laboratory (Curiosity) Launch Vehicle: Atlas V-541 (AV-028) Launch Site: Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Fla. Launch Pad: Space Launch Complex 41 Launch Date: Nov. 25, 2011 Launch Time: 10:21 a.m. EST The Mars Science Laboratory rover, Curiosity, arrived at 10:33 p.m. EDT Wednesday at Kennedy Space Center's Shuttle Landing Facility, along with the rocket-powered descent stage that will fly the rover during the final moments before landing on Mars. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, Calif., built the rover and descent stage. The Air Force C-17 flight began at March Air Reserve Base, Riverside, Calif., where the flight hardware had been trucked from JPL earlier in the day. Other components of the Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft, the aeroshell and cruise stage, arrived at Kennedy in May. The mission is on track for launch from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station aboard a United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket during the period from Nov. 25 to Dec. 18, and for landing the car-size rover on Mars in August 2012. The Atlas V for the mission will arrive at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station this summer. It will be an Atlas V-541 configuration that will have four solid rocket boosters attached. The rover's 10 science instruments will search for signs of life, including methane, and help determine if the gas is from a biological or geological source. The unique rover will use a laser to look inside rocks and release the gasses so that its spectrometer can analyze and send the data back to Earth. Previous status reports are available at: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/launchingrockets/status/index.html -end- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
The only profession that sees less professionalism and integrity is a politician. It hurts to see blatant lies spread with such easy. -Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Phil and List, It is sad that there is so little professionalism and integrity left in mass-media journalism now. Maybe the WP author should get a Pulitzer like that fool who did that hit piece on meteorites for the NYT. Come to think of it, there are several members of this list who are far more deserving of an award for their journalism than either the WP or NYT. (seriously) Hopefully I won't spend the next two days defending meteorites on Facebook like I did after that garbage NYT article made the rounds. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/23/11, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: This story has already gone viral. The Washington Post, considered by many to be an impeccable souce, (rightly or wrongly) just misspoke the truth twice. It is illegal for individuals to own moon material. The woman said she was unaware of the history of the dust, and gave it up to authorities. Regency-Superior Auctions president David Kols said the company knew it was illegal to own moon rocks, but not moon dust, and once he learned all lunar material was illegal to possess, the auction was cancelled. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bend it Like Beckham! Small Asteroid to Whip Past Earth on June 27, 2011
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news172.html Bend it Like Beckham! Small Asteroid to Whip Past Earth on June 27, 2011 Don Yeomans Paul Chodas NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office June 23, 2011 [Graphic] Trajectory of 2011 MD projected onto the Earth's orbital plane. Note from this viewing angle, the asteroid passes underneath the Earth. [Graphic] Trajectory of 2011 MD from the general direction of the Sun. Near-Earth asteroid 2011 MD will pass only 12,000 kilometers (7,500 miles) above the Earth's surface on Monday June 27 at about 9:30 EDT. The asteroid was discovered by the LINEAR near-Earth object discovery team observing from Socorro, New Mexico. The diagram on the left shows the trajectory of 2011 MD projected onto the Earth's orbital plane over a four-day interval. The diagram on the left gives another view from the general direction of the Sun that indicates that 2011 MD will reach its closest Earth approach point in extreme southern latitudes (in fact over the southern Atlantic Ocean). This small asteroid, only 5-20 meters in diameter, is in a very Earth-like orbit about the Sun, but an orbital analysis indicates there is no chance it will actually strike Earth on Monday. The incoming trajectory leg passes several thousand kilometers outside the geosynchronous ring of satellites and the outgoing leg passes well inside the ring. One would expect an object of this size to come this close to Earth about every 6 years on average. For a brief time, it will be bright enough to be seen even with a modest-sized telescope. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Dust
This is what they're talking about: http://www.diamondappraised.com/apollo/apollo11dust.htm Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] METEORITE PHOTOS: I Need LOTS of Meteorite Photos! ASAP!
Hi everyone, I'm looking for a whole bunch of high quality *exterior* and *interior* photos and artwork of *ALL* of these meteorite specimens listed below for a special meteorite project I'm working on. The project is for dealers and collectors and will be featuring exquisite specimens and rare meteorites. Anyone is welcome to participate. (You'll like it!) The faster I get these photos, and the better they are, the more likely they'll be featured in the project. I get hundreds of emails per day, so PLEASE be sure to include *METEORITE PHOTOS* in the subject line of your email so I can respond faster. Please send all meteorite photos and artwork to: e...@meteoritesusa.com LIST OF METEORITE PHOTOS NEEDED: Sikhote Alin Gibeon Brenham Campo Canyon Diablo Ash Creek Ensisheim Hoba Tucson Ring NWA 869 Allende Gao Murchison Vaca Muerta Imilac Esquel Portales Valley Plainview Weston Peekskill (car, stone and interior) Holbrook Old Woman Gold Basin Willamette --- Thanks for participating! Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
the same dealer have offer to me some meteorites, but I not have buy why I have seen a strange change of prices everytime I have ask to him the prices of the meteorites. Probably its for this I have totaly close to buy meteorites from morocco. Matteo M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.eu Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici http://www.chinellatophoto.com Da: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com A: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Data: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:57:25 -1000 Oggetto: [meteorite-list] Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha Aloha all, I want to warn everyone about a dishonorable dealer of meteorites who lives in Morocco by the name of Lahcen Ait Ha. Lahcen offered a 748g lot of NWA 859 Taza iron meteorites by showing me pictures of them by email. I purchased the lot, but when I received his package, I realized that the material he sent me was not the same as the ones in the pictures. Not only that, but I have doubts whether the material is meteoritic at all. Needless to say, I returned the material immediately and contacted Lahcen to get a refund. He has stalled and to this point has refused to return my money. Several honorable Moroccan meteorite dealers have contacted Lahcen to talk sense into him to return my money, but these efforts have been fruitless. I have now waited over two months for resolution and yet there is no solution in sight, despite my efforts and those of my friends in Morocco. http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/_BogusTaza.jpg I must say that the vast majority of meteorite dealers in Morocco are of unquestionable integrity and good character. It is a pity that such a person is able to continue to perpetrate his fraudulent actions there. I implore all to NEVER DEAL WITH Lahcen Ait Ha. I never make posts like this because I have never had a need to do so. But extenuating circumstances have forced me to make this public immediately to protect others from being victimized by this person. Thank you for your understanding and caveat emptor. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
Hello All, Please be aware that the seller (Lahcenia Ait Ha or Lacenia Ait Ha -- or apparently Lahcen Ait Ha) has changed his facebook user name and is now going by the name Lhou Ait Ha. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10954047781 I de-friended the fellow some years ago because his communications made me uncomfortable. He didn't have any references, and I found a negative past reference to him on the list: http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg56009.html My last communication with him was in 2010. Apparently he's still around... Dan -- please think about what you are suggesting. Would you say the same thing to all US dealers if one of them was proven to have somehow swindled people? Maybe, but I have the feeling that such a demand would seem a little over-the-top. You are indeed entitled to your opinion. Regards, Jason On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to speak for myself and say I'm not ordering anything from Morocco until Gary gets his money back. I just canceled an order for 75 kilos because I am not risking my money with somebody who may know this guy who ripped off Gary. I do not support this kind of behavior and i already heard to be careful when dealing directly with the Moroccans. What just happened to Gary didn't happen from some fly by night con artist, this guy has sold stuff before and is known amongst the Moroccans. It's going to take a lot more then throwing a few names at me to earn my trust I want to see them do something about this and self regulate themselves before i send a few thousand dollars by western union. Anyways this is how i feel and im entitled to say and do whatever i want especially since i know Gary and I am very upset in learning that he got cheated out of his hard earned money. The honest Moroccan dealers need to be concerned when somebody from their circle of business associates is pulling scams as it has a ripple effect on their over all image.. the same concept applies when IMCA is concerned when one of their own isn't playing by the rules, same principle in effect here according to me. this is my opinion and i stand behind it 100% Daniel Furlan On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:37 AM, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote: This is going way too far. Nobody over there owes anyone jack. To insinuate that honest dealers in Africa or anywhere else have a responsibility to hunt down deadbeats is moronic. We know the risks involved unless we WERE born yesterday. I believe I speak for everybody when I say you don't even come close to speaking for everybody. Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:21:20 -0400 From: danfur...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comki Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
When the moroccans began selling direct to end collectors i knew it would only end badly. You can not expect to send huge sums of money overseas and get what you paid for. I have never once sent money before the stone was delivered to me. They cant rip you off that way. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2011, at 1:03 AM, Jack Schrader schrad...@rocketmail.com wrote: I too have been had by a dishonest Moroccan dealer I am embarrassed to say. I have have many good dealings with this person in the past slowly building a trusting meteorite buying relationship. This person also sent me a photo of a meteorite that I wished to buy, a very rare type. When I received the stone, it was a very obvious weathered H chondrite and not the meteorite that I agreed to buy and paid a great sum of money for. This person has promised to send me other meteorites to make up for the mistake but has not yet done so. This has been going on since November 2010. I have instead gotten many excuses, the latest being the border problems with Algeria do not allow for him to get the stones that I will accept to make up for the money owed to me as Moroccans cannot send money out of the country. I have been very patient with this person but I will soon expose his name to the list in order to protect other buyers who may fall prey to his scam. I still hold a small glimmer of hope that he make make this right but I am very doubtful at this point. I have been patient with this person for more than 8 months now but I am rapidly losing my patience and hope that he will keep his many promises to me. I will give this person one more month to clear his name and reputation and then I will expose him to the list for the thief and liar that he is in order to keep others from falling prey to his dishonest scam. If he makes good, then I will owe him my apologies. I have had and continue to have good dealings with no problems whatsoever with the following dealers: Abdelfattah Gharrad, Abdelaziz Alhyane and Ahmad Bouragaa. I would highly recommend these dealers as I have dealt with them for many years with no problems at all. All very trustworthy men. All it takes is a couple of rotten Moroccans to give everyone a bad name though. I, as Gary Fujihara does, hate to make negative posts but also feel it necessary to expose the dishonest dealers to the list. I will keep you posted and I hope the list of bad Moroccan delears does not continue to grow. These are desperate times and the time to be all the more careful with our hard earned money. Be careful out there. Jack - Forwarded Message From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, June 22, 2011 2:57:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha Aloha all, I want to warn everyone about a dishonorable dealer of meteorites who lives in Morocco by the name of Lahcen Ait Ha. Lahcen offered a 748g lot of NWA 859 Taza iron meteorites by showing me pictures of them by email. I purchased the lot, but when I received his package, I realized that the material he sent me was not the same as the ones in the pictures. Not only that, but I have doubts whether the material is meteoritic at all. Needless to say, I returned the material immediately and contacted Lahcen to get a refund. He has stalled and to this point has refused to return my money. Several honorable Moroccan meteorite dealers have contacted Lahcen to talk sense into him to return my money, but these efforts have been fruitless. I have now waited over two months for resolution and yet there is no solution in sight, despite my efforts and those of my friends in Morocco. http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/_BogusTaza.jpg I must say that the vast majority of meteorite dealers in Morocco are of unquestionable integrity and good character. It is a pity that such a person is able to continue to perpetrate his fraudulent actions there. I implore all to NEVER DEAL WITH Lahcen Ait Ha. I never make posts like this because I have never had a need to do so. But extenuating circumstances have forced me to make this public immediately to protect others from being victimized by this person. Thank you for your understanding and caveat emptor. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
Actually he will still rip off buyers. We have many scammers who for years have been exposed on this list and are still active. The desire for a possible good deal drives people to abandon their senses. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2011, at 12:20 AM, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gary and List, I respect your patience and willingness to bring this out into the open to warn others. You gave this dealer two months of chances to make the deal right and if he had quietly gotten away with his scam, other people would have gotten burned as well. Whatever that material is, it is certainly not Taza, nor is it any meteorite at all. I don't know what it is, but it looks very odd and not very meteoritic. It is certainly not the same material pictured in the initial offer photo. Do you still have this bogus material? If so, maybe you get could Blaine to shoot his Element Gun at it and get some idea of what that stuff is. Is it some kind of sandblasted slag? You may have little recourse to get your money back on this deal, but look at it this way - the entire world via Google now knows about this scammer. His chances of ripping off another buyer have just decreased substantially. All of us should keep our eyes open, because he may resurface later using another identity. This particular scammer has a Facebook account and several list members are on his FB friends list. Can any of those people verify for us that the scammer is still actively posting on FB? Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/22/11, Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: Aloha all, I want to warn everyone about a dishonorable dealer of meteorites who lives in Morocco by the name of Lahcen Ait Ha. Lahcen offered a 748g lot of NWA 859 Taza iron meteorites by showing me pictures of them by email. I purchased the lot, but when I received his package, I realized that the material he sent me was not the same as the ones in the pictures. Not only that, but I have doubts whether the material is meteoritic at all. Needless to say, I returned the material immediately and contacted Lahcen to get a refund. He has stalled and to this point has refused to return my money. Several honorable Moroccan meteorite dealers have contacted Lahcen to talk sense into him to return my money, but these efforts have been fruitless. I have now waited over two months for resolution and yet there is no solution in sight, despite my efforts and those of my friends in Morocco. http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/_BogusTaza.jpg I must say that the vast majority of meteorite dealers in Morocco are of unquestionable integrity and good character. It is a pity that such a person is able to continue to perpetrate his fraudulent actions there. I implore all to NEVER DEAL WITH Lahcen Ait Ha. I never make posts like this because I have never had a need to do so. But extenuating circumstances have forced me to make this public immediately to protect others from being victimized by this person. Thank you for your understanding and caveat emptor. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bend it Like Beckham! Small Asteroid to Whip Past Earth on June 27, 2011
UGH I'm glad that wasn't the headline for the release about 2011 CQ. Anyway, there is a bit of discussion about this object ove ron my Minor Planet Mailing List, including the possibility thatthis might be some old space junk returning. List members here might be interested in some animationsPasquale Tricarico at the Planetary Science Institute put together. Pretty cool seeing how much the orbit is changed by the encounter with the earth. http://orbit.psi.edu/~tricaric/2011MD.html -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bend it Like Beckham! Small Asteroid to Whip Past Earth on June 27, 2011 http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news172.html Bend it Like Beckham! Small Asteroid to Whip Past Earth on June 27, 2011 Don Yeomans Paul Chodas NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office June 23, 2011 [Graphic] Trajectory of 2011 MD projected onto the Earth's orbital plane. Note from this viewing angle, the asteroid passes underneath the Earth. [Graphic] Trajectory of 2011 MD from the general direction of the Sun. Near-Earth asteroid 2011 MD will pass only 12,000 kilometers (7,500 miles) above the Earth's surface on Monday June 27 at about 9:30 EDT. The asteroid was discovered by the LINEAR near-Earth object discovery team observing from Socorro, New Mexico. The diagram on the left shows the trajectory of 2011 MD projected onto the Earth's orbital plane over a four-day interval. The diagram on the left gives another view from the general direction of the Sun that indicates that 2011 MD will reach its closest Earth approach point in extreme southern latitudes (in fact over the southern Atlantic Ocean). This small asteroid, only 5-20 meters in diameter, is in a very Earth-like orbit about the Sun, but an orbital analysis indicates there is no chance it will actually strike Earth on Monday. The incoming trajectory leg passes several thousand kilometers outside the geosynchronous ring of satellites and the outgoing leg passes well inside the ring. One would expect an object of this size to come this close to Earth about every 6 years on average. For a brief time, it will be bright enough to be seen even with a modest-sized telescope. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
