Hi Naveen,
So much for my request of an off-list info request ... so be it ...
now that it is out in the open, there is absolutely nothing I see that
would indicate that there is a question of authenticity, or quality
however that would be defined - which is my sole worry. So I should
stop
Open Question to be taken very seriously-
Does this mean that anything received from any/all
three is/are now suspect in our respective collections?
Pete MICA 1733
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Hello,
I am certainly surprised to find my emails published on the MetList!
However it is true that the IMCA Board tried very hard over the last few
weeks to negotiate an agreement between Martin, Stefan and Naveen, but I am
sorry to say that we were not successful.
Incidentally, Greg
Hi all,
I would just like to address Pete's question and clarify that none of these
member's complaints were in regards to the authenticity of material. I
personally have no reason to believe that any of them have sold
misrepresented meteorite material.
Cheers,
Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
Dear List,
I would like to express my regret that Martin Altmann, Stefan Ralew, and Greg
Catterton are no longer members of the I.M.C.A.
Martin Altmann ist one of the fairest and most reliable persons I got to know in
my life. I also have great respect for his expert knowledge which he
Doug, that was a long email but I will try to answer your questions with
another long email.
I am very new to the meteorite collection and just fell in love with them when
I purchased my first set of these from Martin Horejsi. My experience with him
was so pleasant that I just assumed that
New Impact Rate Count Lays Nemesis Theory to Rest
by Nancy Atkinson, Universe Today, August 1, 2011
http://www.universetoday.com/87874/new-impact-rate-count-lays-nemesis-theory-to-rest/
Avoiding Nemesis: Does the impact rate for asteroids
and comets vary periodically with time? MPIA Science
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Hello Naveen,
It appears you have stepped right into humanity's grand challenge! A
code of conduct, if you will.
Integrity, Respect, Accountability and Performance Excellence are all
being measured, every second of everyday. Something we all need to
think about and remind ourselves about.
This
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Hello,
This is my Annual 50% off Everything Sale. Enjoy! Thanks!
ALL SALE ITEMS HERE:
http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history
Best Wishes
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How about a specific gravity test?
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Hello List,
In the Sky Tel, Sep 2011 issue (p.16), there is an interesting article
in the News Notes section on the 'Tagish Lake Meteorite's Organic
Brew'. The authors' conclusions are quite provocative, so, get your
copy if interested in finding out what is so provocative ;-)
Cheers,
Bernd
Hello Naveen and Listers
From what I have seen and heard from your posts so far is that this is an
unfortunate situation that has taken place. In a perfect world this would have
gone differently, but we don’t live in that type of world. From what I can tell
Naveen you had received two
In the August 2011 issue, pp. 20-27:
Pummeling the Planets:
- Humans have evolved
- Clues from the Moon
- Apollo samples aren't enough
- It's Neptune's fault
- What about Mars?
- Evidence under our noses
- Solving the puzzle
- Did the Late Heavy Bombardment (LHB) flame out or fizzle out?
Best
Mark,
Stefan and Martin have completely refused the refund despite their written
email promise of full refund. I tried very hard to work out a solution with
them. IMCA board members tried the same after thoroughly investigating the
complaint. It’s clear that Stefan and Martin were blinded by
To me it sounds like someone has, at best, been naive and not done their
homework. Caveat emptor applies when you're buying a pint of milk; it
certainly applies if you're ponying up a quarter million bucks.
A quarter million dollars on something, mail order, for something only viewed
in
To me it sounds like someone has, at best, been naive and not done their
homework. Caveat emptor applies when you're buying a pint of milk; it
certainly applies if you're ponying up a quarter million bucks.
A quarter million dollars on something, mail order, for something only viewed
in
, no?
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Hi Naveen and List,
It is clearly tempting for list members to opine on this rather sizable
business transaction since both the buyer and -- likely more so on this
List -- the sellers are extremely well-known, well-liked and well-respected.
It seems unlikely in the extreme that the meteorites in
Hi Mark,
you wrote,
...
Nonetheless - as Farmer says, either they did or they didn't refuse to
refund. IF they didn't (minus a reasonable handling deduction) then they're
in the wrong.
It's not necessarily that easy , if you arrange a deal with two centrepieces
and some by-catch and the seller
Hello Mr Jain,
No disrespect to you, but I'm still wondering why you think the 2 meteorites
you wanted to return was garbage? I understand if you're not happy with them,
then you are entitled to send them back for a refund, but maybe in your
inexperience those 2 pieces may be highly
Andi,
I was given unconditional guarantee to be able to return item within 3
weeks. I contacted them within hours of receiving the package. Each item was
priced individually and I was offered approx. 12%-13% discount on the
package of meteorites. IMCA looked at all these details when they
Carl, No disrespect to you but its beside the point on why I didnt like
these meteorites. I can't tell you what you should or shouldnt like. I was
offered unconditional refund and I feel that some meteorites didn't meet my
expectation. Think about it - Why would Stefan and Martin not take these
Sorry again if I had hit a nerve. I understand you are entitled for a refund if
you are not happy. I was just wondering why those meteorites did not meet your
expectations? Size, color, polished,...?
Carl2
Carl, No disrespect to you but it’s beside the point on why I didn’t like
these
I've been trying to contact Suzanne at Aerolite since Friday both by
email and phone. I've received no response so far via email and
everytime I call I just get Geoff's voice mail greeting and then I leave
my message.
The office apparently hasn't been manned ( or womanned ;-) ) since
Naveen,
I'll make three more observations then quit on this one.
1) You've been through the channels with IMCA - according to your email
compilation, you complained to IMCA (13th July) three days after a note where
Martin agreed that a refund was in order (10th July). Regardless of whether
Have to voice my agreement with Mark regarding these allegations flying
around.Seems to me they are bordering on the libelous.
shocked and dismayed
sales of all Mars and Moon boxes hereby suspended until further
notice.
Jim Brady
I.M.C.A.
2424
But I'd like to believe that given the collective intelligence
of this group, an amicable arrangement can be reached.
I am absolutely with Rob here! And especially I also concur with the personal
statements of my fellow countrymen Matthias and Siegfried, and with the
comments of my fellow
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I didn't know there was a quality to a meteorite. A meteorite is a meteorite
is a meteorite. They are what they are. We don't have cheap ones made in China,
high quality ones made in Germany.Come on. Certainly there are prettier
ones, neater ones, and odd ones but nowhere have I ever seen
Hi Mal:
Patience my friend. This has happened to me, but not to worry, they will be
back. Remember that Geoff has just got back from a 3 week shooting trip, and
has a lot of catching up to do. They are probably swamped doing their
Meteorite Men things right now.
Cheers
Craig Moody
IMCA 6276
Hi Andi Nadeen
But Naveen, someone has to speak for the meteorites. They are truly
what appear to be world class specimens. To say anything less of them
doesn't sit right with me as a reason for the return. Why a return
deal cannot be worked out I haven't a clue - it smells too much like
Dear Naveen and List
This is quite surreal... but no, not surreal anymore in our times.
First, Naveen, no matter how big your wealth is, how can you buy
anything for such an amount without seeing it, touching it... ?!
(if this shocks you... read some Albert Einstein thoughts...)
You could have
I know there must be another side to this story. I sure would like to hear
Stefan and Martin's response, though I can understand their reticence to speak
up, under threat of litigation. I won't add to the speculation, except to note
that the overwhelming number of List members posting in
Dear List,
If someone has a direct email to Luc Labenne, can you please send it to me
OFF LIST? I've been trying to contact him through his site, but it is not
working properly.
Thanks in advance!
-
Mike Bandli
Historic Meteorites
www.HistoricMeteorites.com
and join
Good Afternoon;
I think it's time to discontinue this thread. Hopefully the parties
involved can bring the issue to conclusion, but I don't think that
anymore speculation on this List will do anyone any good.
Thanks,
-Art
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I was going to hold my tongue about recent issues, including this one.
I offer only this quote, and make no additional comment, input or opinion other
than all of this is very disturbing in such a tiny community...
Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we
Hi Paul -
Raup and Sepowski's ELE data shows a roughly 26 million year periodicity.
As far as Earth craters go, aside from weathering, 70% of the planet is covered
with water. Aside from that, there are many suspected structures which have not
been examined. For example, there are three at
As has been discussed on this list before, this theory died well over a
decade ago, both because it is pretty much impossible for Nemesis to exist,
despite some wild machinations by some to try to keep the idea going.
The idea of periodicity disappears if anyone spends more than 5 minutes
and I am sorry Art, but this is my last word on the subject.
Hello,
I would like to make a few things perfectly clear here:
1. The Board was presented with, and discussed only, a complaint regarding
a refund dispute. Nothing else. Nothing more.
2. Martin and Stefan resigned for personal
Mal Bishop wrote:
I've been trying to contact Suzanne at Aerolite since Friday both by
email and phone. I've received no response so far via email and
everytime I call I just get Geoff's voice mail greeting and then I
leave my message.
Dear Mal:
Sorry for the slight delay in getting
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