Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer/meteorite search
Dear List, Paul's email actually pertained our Meteorite Exchange meteorite.com site and we have both bad news and good news. Bad News: The company who's search code we used is no longer supporting it so we decided to stop using it. Keeping old unsupported PHP code that accepts input from anyone on the Internet is just asking for future hacking troubles... In place of the Search Bar we now have 4 rotating banner ads instead of just 1. http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-information.htm Good News: I'm working on a new search project that will allow you to search by category or specimen name and then link directly that dealer's website. I hope to have some cool features. As an example, I'm going to try to have Twitter support so that when a dealer adds a new meteorite listing on our site it will automatically send a Tweet. We're busy working on Meteorite Times and hope to have it up by the end of this week. Thank you all! Paul Harris On 8/7/2011 10:35 AM, valpar...@aol.com wrote: Anyone know what happened to the meteorite search at meteorites.com? It seems to have disappeared and their 'contact us' link is disabled. Paul Swartz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA in meteorites
NASA Research Shows DNA Building Blocks Can Be Made in Space Something about the title of the PR seems strange. If they found some DNA/RNA nucleotide bases, then it's not can be made in space, it is are made in space. If they didn't find any, then we are still with the all the ingredients are present, something which was already shown. Is the question Did it happen here, under Miller-Urey type conditions?, or Was the meteorite delivered from the Acme Corporation in Fairfield, Mars, to Wile E. Coyote (Roadrunner cartoon character), unpack carefully, to replicate life, just add water - Acme Inc. e.g., http://home.roadrunner.com/~tuco/looney/acme/dehydrated.html Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Mal Bishop magbi...@lowcountry.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:15 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA in meteorites Found this of interest: NASA Research Shows DNA Building Blocks Can Be Made in Space http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/news/releases/2011/11-60AR.html Mal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] best orionted taza ever
hello all and ramadan said do you remember this orionted taza , here is it before and after cleanaing, http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/ thanks aziz ha __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] best orionted taza ever
What a wonderful Taza iron, Aziz, congratulation. (Only my personal opinion -: what a pity that it doesn't still wear it's desert patina.) Best regards, Matthias - Original Message - From: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:56 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] best orionted taza ever hello all and ramadan said do you remember this orionted taza , here is it before and after cleanaing, http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/ thanks aziz ha __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 6361 (20110808) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 6363 (20110809) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA in meteorites
Well, what I've thinking about this is that the can could mean that maybe the physics involved in the impact with the atmosphere where the responsibles for the creation of those nucleobases, and maybe those nucleobases couldn't be found in meteors. It's known that carbonaceous chondrite material, plus water, plus high velocity impact, can 'fuse' amino acids into polymers/proteins. It's just a personal thought... Best regards, Leo To: magbi...@lowcountry.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 01:58:28 -0400 From: mexicod...@aim.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA in meteorites NASA Research Shows DNA Building Blocks Can Be Made in Space Something about the title of the PR seems strange. If they found some DNA/RNA nucleotide bases, then it's not can be made in space, it is are made in space. If they didn't find any, then we are still with the all the ingredients are present, something which was already shown. Is the question Did it happen here, under Miller-Urey type conditions?, or Was the meteorite delivered from the Acme Corporation in Fairfield, Mars, to Wile E. Coyote (Roadrunner cartoon character), unpack carefully, to replicate life, just add water - Acme Inc. e.g., http://home.roadrunner.com/~tuco/looney/acme/dehydrated.html Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Mal Bishop magbi...@lowcountry.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:15 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA in meteorites Found this of interest: NASA Research Shows DNA Building Blocks Can Be Made in Space http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/news/releases/2011/11-60AR.html Mal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA in meteorites
Well, what I've thinking about this is that the can could mean that maybe the physics involved in the impact with the atmosphere where the responsibles for the creation of those nucleobases, and maybe those nucleobases couldn't be found in meteors. It's known that carbonaceous chondrite material, plus water, plus high velocity impact, can 'fuse' amino acids into polymers/proteins. It's just a personal thought... Best regards, Leo To: magbi...@lowcountry.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 01:58:28 -0400 From: mexicod...@aim.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA in meteorites NASA Research Shows DNA Building Blocks Can Be Made in Space Something about the title of the PR seems strange. If they found some DNA/RNA nucleotide bases, then it's not can be made in space, it is are made in space. If they didn't find any, then we are still with the all the ingredients are present, something which was already shown. Is the question Did it happen here, under Miller-Urey type conditions?, or Was the meteorite delivered from the Acme Corporation in Fairfield, Mars, to Wile E. Coyote (Roadrunner cartoon character), unpack carefully, to replicate life, just add water - Acme Inc. e.g., http://home.roadrunner.com/~tuco/looney/acme/dehydrated.html Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Mal Bishop magbi...@lowcountry.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:15 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA in meteorites Found this of interest: NASA Research Shows DNA Building Blocks Can Be Made in Space http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/news/releases/2011/11-60AR.html Mal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad-dong ujimquin qi
Hi Matt, I keep going to your site and can't find the Dong Ujimquin Qi mesosiderite, in fact is says catalog last updated July 12th. Mike Fowler Chicago I just put my 660g end cut of the Dong Ujimquin Qi mesosiderite witnessed fall up for sale. This is could easily be wire-cut several times to make some beautiful slices. See it in the Museum Gallery at http://www.mhmeteorites.com. Thanks and have a nice weekend. Matt Morgan -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Research Shows DNA Building Blocks Can Be Made in Space
Aug. 8, 2011 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov Nancy Neal-Jones Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. 301-286-0039 nancy.n.jo...@nasa.gov RELEASE: 11-263 NASA RESEARCH SHOWS DNA BUILDING BLOCKS CAN BE MADE IN SPACE WASHINGTON -- NASA-funded researchers have found more evidence meteorites can carry DNA components created in space. Scientists have detected the building blocks of DNA in meteorites since the 1960s, but were unsure whether they were created in space or resulted from contamination by terrestrial life. The latest research indicates certain nucleobases -- the building blocks of our genetic material -- reach the Earth on meteorites in greater diversity and quantity than previously thought. The discovery adds to a growing body of evidence that the chemistry inside asteroids and comets is capable of making building blocks of essential biological molecules. Previously, scientists found amino acids in samples of comet Wild 2 from NASA's Stardust mission and in various carbon-rich meteorites. Amino acids are used to make proteins, the workhorse molecules of life. Proteins are used in everything from structures such as hair to enzymes, which are the catalysts that speed up or regulate chemical reactions. The findings will be published in the online edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. In the new work, scientists analyzed samples of 12 carbon-rich meteorites, nine of which were recovered from Antarctica. The team found adenine and guanine, which are components of DNA nucleobases. Also, in two of the meteorites, the team discovered for the first time trace amounts of three molecules related to nucleobases that almost never are used in biology. These nucleobase-related molecules, called nucleobase analogs, provide the first evidence that the compounds in the meteorites came from space and not terrestrial contamination. You would not expect to see these nucleobase analogs if contamination from terrestrial life was the source, because they're not used in biology, said Michael Callahan, astrobiologist and lead author of the paper from NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. However, if asteroids are behaving like chemical 'factories' cranking out prebiotic material, you would expect them to produce many variants of nucleobases, not just the biological ones, because of the wide variety of ingredients and conditions in each asteroid. Additional evidence came from research to further rule out the possibility of terrestrial contamination as a source of these molecules. The team analyzed an eight-kilogram (21.4-pound) sample of ice from Antarctica, where most of the meteorites in the study were found. The amounts of nucleobases found in the ice were much lower than in the meteorites. More significantly, none of the nucleobase analogs were detected in the ice sample. The team also analyzed a soil sample collected near one of the non-Antarctic meteorite's fall site. As with the ice sample, the soil sample had none of the nucleobase analog molecules present in the meteorite. Launched in Feb. 7, 1999, Stardust flew past an asteroid and traveled halfway to Jupiter to collect particle samples from the comet Wild 2. The spacecraft returned to Earth's vicinity to drop off a sample-return capsule on January 15, 2006. The research was funded by NASA's Astrobiology Institute at the agency's Ames Research Laboratory in Moffett Field Calif., and the Goddard Center for Astrobiology in Greenbelt, Md.; the NASA Astrobiology Exobiology and Evolutionary Biology Program and the NASA Postdoctoral Program at the agency's Headquarters in Washington. Additional information and images are available at: http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/dna-meteorites.html -end- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad-dong ujimquin qi
Hmmm, Iʻd like to see it too (was this posted by Matt recently, because I canʻt find his original post). However I do have a nice fragment of Dong Ujimqin qi available here: http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/sales.html Please pardon the shameless plug and have a nice day, gary On Aug 9, 2011, at 5:02 AM, Michael Fowler wrote: Hi Matt, I keep going to your site and can't find the Dong Ujimquin Qi mesosiderite, in fact is says catalog last updated July 12th. Mike Fowler Chicago I just put my 660g end cut of the Dong Ujimquin Qi mesosiderite witnessed fall up for sale. This is could easily be wire-cut several times to make some beautiful slices. See it in the Museum Gallery at http://www.mhmeteorites.com. Thanks and have a nice weekend. Matt Morgan -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Mars Rover Approaches Endeavour Crater
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-246 NASA Mars Rover Approaches Long-Term Goal Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 08, 2011 The NASA Mars rover Opportunity has gained a view of Endeavour crater from barely more than a football-field's distance away from the rim. The rim of Endeavour has been the mission's long-term goal since mid-2008. Endeavour offers the setting for plenty of productive work by Opportunity. The crater is 14 miles (22 kilometers) in diameter -- more than 25 times wider than Victoria crater, an earlier stop that Opportunity examined for two years. Observations by orbiting spacecraft indicate that the ridges along Endeavour's western rim expose rock outcrops older than any Opportunity has seen so far. The selected location for arrival at the rim, Spirit Point, is at the southern tip of one of those ridges, Cape York, on the western side of Endeavour. Opportunity and Spirit completed their three-month prime missions on Mars in April 2004. Both rovers continued for years of bonus, extended missions. Both have made important discoveries about wet environments on ancient Mars that may have been favorable for supporting microbial life. The mission of the Spirit rover, for which Spirit Point was named, was concluded in May, 2011, after the rover did not re-establish communications following the Martian winter. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the Mars Exploration Rover Project for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington. More information about the rovers is online at: http://www.nasa.gov/rovers . Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov 2011-246 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA in meteorites
maybe the physics involved in the impact with the atmosphere where the responsibles for the creation of those nucleobases, and maybe those nucleobases couldn't be found in meteors. It's known that carbonaceous chondrite material, plus water, plus high velocity impact, can 'fuse' amino acids into polymers/proteins. Hi Leo - those are interesting thoughts for a separate experiments. In this case, the impact with / passage through the atmosphere would likely not effect the formation of nucleotide bases. The reason (in this case) is because: to prevent contamination with terrestrial sources, virgin material is highly likely being tested from the interior of the meteorites in the study. In the case of carbonaceous chondrites, that material's temperature will not exceed the freezing temperature (0 C = 32 F), until it starts warming up in the Sun on the ground (and in parts of Antarctica, maybe never). Also the energy for that caseis minimal since it is the free fall velocity only - for the meteorites tested. As for the fusion of amino acids to produce proteins during impact - I hadn't heard of that. I just googled it and this paper showed up which attempted to 'simulate' impacts and concluded that the peptide chains are not formed, but rather cleaved, and some of the amino acids were changed or decomposed: The fate of amino acids during simulated meteoritic impact Bertrand M, van der Gaast S, Vilas F, Hörz F, Haynes G, Chabin A, Brack A, Westall F. Abstract: Delivery of prebiotic molecules, such as amino acids and peptides, in meteoritic/micrometeoritic materials to early Earth during the first 500 million years is considered to be one of the main processes by which the building blocks of life arrived on Earth. In this context, we present a study in which the effects of impact shock on amino acids and a peptide in artificial meteorites composed of saponite clay were investigated. The samples were subjected to pressures ranging from 12-28.9 GPa, which simulated impact velocities of 2.4-5.8 km/s ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20041747 Any thoughts? Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Leoncio Cividanes Álvarez supeind...@hotmail.com To: Meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:17 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA in meteorites Well, what I've thinking about this is that the can could mean that maybe the physics involved in the impact with the atmosphere where the responsibles for the creation of those nucleobases, and maybe those nucleobases couldn't be found in meteors. It's known that carbonaceous chondrite material, plus water, plus high velocity impact, can 'fuse' amino acids into polymers/proteins. It's just a personal thought... Best regards, Leo To: magbi...@lowcountry.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 01:58:28 -0400 From: mexicod...@aim.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA in meteorites NASA Research Shows DNA Building Blocks Can Be Made in Space Something about the title of the PR seems strange. If they found some DNA/RNA nucleotide bases, then it's not can be made in space, it is are made in space. If they didn't find any, then we are still with the all the ingredients are present, something which was already shown. Is the question Did it happen here, under Miller-Urey type conditions?, or Was the meteorite delivered from the Acme Corporation in Fairfield, Mars, to Wile E. Coyote (Roadrunner cartoon character), unpack carefully, to replicate life, just add water - Acme Inc. e.g., http://home.roadrunner.com/~tuco/looney/acme/dehydrated.html Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Mal Bishop magbi...@lowcountry.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:15 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA in meteorites Found this of interest: NASA Research Shows DNA Building Blocks Can Be Made in Space http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/news/releases/2011/11-60AR.html Mal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreign checks in the US
Hi List, Quick question for the dealers : have you ever heard of a US bank accepting a check from an overseas bank? Specifically, a check from India from an Indian bank that is affiliated with Bank of America, and the check in question will be drawn against Bank of America and can be deposited or cashed at any Bank of America? I ask because I received a request from an overseas customer and the request seems legit in other respects, but I am reluctant to deal with the kind of stuff where I have to walk in to the bank, speak to a supervisor and get it handled - it's a PITA and I'd rather just go through the drive-through and get my business done quick. And unless this is some form of Cashier's Check, there is no telling how long it will take for a check like this to clear and the funds to become available. Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Awesome meteorite sale - Whitecourt, Tatahouine and more!
Hi to all, having an awesome sale on some really nice meteorites Whitecourt Iron meteorite - (with copy of export permit) $10 per gram 55.6 gram http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF5637.jpg 27.7 gram http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF5646.jpg 100 grams of Tatahouine (fragments up to 2.6 grams and about 70 pieces total) for $1200.00 http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF5704.jpg I am also having a very nice sale on ebay listed meteorites: http://shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 Thanks for looking, hope everyone is doing good. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA inmeteorites
Dear Wile E, and List, The three lines of evidence leading to the conclusion that the nucleobases found in meteorites are endogenous can be found here in this NASA Goddard video: http://www.space.com/12578-evidence-space-created-dna.html What that shows is since that the ones they found are made in space, that's a proof that they can be made in space... because they were, but it's not likely they are the product of Acme technology.. No one doubts the excellence of the Acme product, however. I'm sure many fine life-bearing planets have been seeded the Acme Way. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: magbi...@lowcountry.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA inmeteorites NASA Research Shows DNA Building Blocks Can Be Made in Space Something about the title of the PR seems strange. If they found some DNA/RNA nucleotide bases, then it's not can be made in space, it is are made in space. If they didn't find any, then we are still with the all the ingredients are present, something which was already shown. Is the question Did it happen here, under Miller-Urey type conditions?, or Was the meteorite delivered from the Acme Corporation in Fairfield, Mars, to Wile E. Coyote (Roadrunner cartoon character), unpack carefully, to replicate life, just add water - Acme Inc. e.g., http://home.roadrunner.com/~tuco/looney/acme/dehydrated.html Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Mal Bishop magbi...@lowcountry.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:15 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA in meteorites Found this of interest: NASA Research Shows DNA Building Blocks Can Be Made in Space http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/news/releases/2011/11-60AR.html Mal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA in meteorites
Hello fellow Listerians: It's hype, just like the sketchy arsenic-based life forms and the imaginary Martian fossils. First off when you say DNA, most people think of a biotic double helix just like we have in the nuclei of our cells. Components of DNA is an entirely different thing, like maybe a little bit of a rung from the DNA ladder. And the same nucleobases plus some hypoxanthine and xanthine were found in the surrounding ice and soil samples near the other meteorites. Sounds a lot like terrestrial contamination. Maybe the analog compounds were present or created at impact, but it sure sounds like the other stuff seeped in while the meteorites lay there for how long? I mean c'mon the exact same compounds? What are the chances of that? They've got to stop crying wolf all the time, it's getting old. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreign checks in the US
It can be done, but watch out. In Kentucky, they can hold the funds for 90 days (and will blame everyone else for it) while they use YOUR money for themselves. I am sure other states have similar laws which allow theft like this. On 4:45:22 pm 08/09/11 Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi List, Quick question for the dealers : have you ever heard of a US bank accepting a check from an overseas bank? Specifically, a check from India from an Indian bank that is affiliated with Bank of America, and the check in question will be drawn against Bank of America and can be deposited or cashed at any Bank of America? I ask because I received a request from an overseas customer and the request seems legit in other respects, but I am reluctant to deal with the kind of stuff where I have to walk in to the bank, speak to a supervisor and get it handled - it's a PITA and I'd rather just go through the drive-through and get my business done quick. And unless this is some form of Cashier's Check, there is no telling how long it will take for a check like this to clear and the funds to become available. Best regards, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=156 4 -- --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreign checks in the US
Mike, If he has a bank account, why don't you ask him to sign up with paypal?, they say it's free to send from there and charge a 2.5% premium (over interbank I suppose) https://www.paypal.com/in/cgi-bin/helpscr?cmd=_display-fees-outside also, ref: http://niftyprediction.blogspot.com/2009/05/outward-remittance-how-to-send-money.html Insist I am not a dealer, though, so the reply doesn't count. Best wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:45 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreign checks in the US Hi List, Quick question for the dealers : have you ever heard of a US bank accepting a check from an overseas bank? Specifically, a check from India from an Indian bank that is affiliated with Bank of America, and the check in question will be drawn against Bank of America and can be deposited or cashed at any Bank of America? I ask because I received a request from an overseas customer and the request seems legit in other respects, but I am reluctant to deal with the kind of stuff where I have to walk in to the bank, speak to a supervisor and get it handled - it's a PITA and I'd rather just go through the drive-through and get my business done quick. And unless this is some form of Cashier's Check, there is no telling how long it will take for a check like this to clear and the funds to become available. Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - More bad luck sale continues
Hi all - Oh great - first it was in the Andes (no English readers there) then over Malaysia (same thing) and now over the island of Nuie in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. When the hell am I going to get a nice airburst over say LA, NYC, or Chicago? In the meantime, personally signed copies of Man and Impact are available to list members for $20 plus $5 shipping US, or $15 shipping overseas. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] DNA and RNA in cometary material
Well now, that's a comforting thought: If the next big one hits and extincts all higher life forms on Earth, it will also bring with it the components to start life over again and give it another chance here. E.P. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Astronomers Predict that Pluto Has a Ring
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27064/?p1=blogs Astronomers Predict that Pluto Has a Ring Technology Review (MIT) August 8, 2011 Until recently, the only ring in the Solar System was Saturn's. But in 1960s and 70s, astronomers discovered rings around Uranus and Neptune. Meanwhile, the Voyager 1spacecraft sent back images of Jupiter's ring. To be sure, these rings are much less impressive than Saturn's but the implications are clear: rings seem much more common than astronomers once thought. Perhaps they are even the norm. And that raises an interesting question: could Pluto possibly have a ring? The observational evidence is that Pluto does not have a ring. The best images are from the Hubble Space Telescope and they show nothing. But today, Pryscilla Maria Pires dos Santos and pals at UNESP-Sao Paulo State University in Brazil say that Pluto ought to have a ring after all, but one that is too faint for Hubble to spot. Their conclusion comes from modelling the way that micrometeorite impacts on Pluto's satellites, Nix and Hydra, ought to send dust into orbit about the dwarf planet. This dust inevitably spirals into Pluto and its satellites because of its interaction with the solar wind. In this way, the dust is removed from orbit. But that doesn't mean it can't form a ring. The important question is whether the dust can be replaced as quickly as it is removed. Pires dos Santos and co calculate that the dust initially forms a ring about 16,000 km wide, encompassing the orbits of both Nix and Hydra. However, the solar wind then removes about 50 per cent of the dust within a year. However, that still leaves enough to form a ring, albeit it an extremely faint one. A tenuous ring...can be maintained by the dust particles released from the surfaces of Nix and Hydra, say Pires dos Santos and co. They calculate that its transparency (or optical depth) has a value of 10^-11. By comparison, the main ring of Uranus has a transparency of between 0.5 and 2.5. Hubble ought to be able to to see a ring around Pluto with a transparency of about 10^-5 so it's no surprise that it hasn't seen the ring that the Brazilian team predict. There's no way to see such a ring directly from Earth. Fortunately, there is a way to settle the matter. The New Horizons spacecraft is currently on its way to Pluto, equipped not with a camera capable of seeing the ring but with a dust counter that should do the trick instead. If this probe finds itself in the lightest of dust clouds when it arrives on 14 July 2015, we'll finally know for sure. Ref: arxiv.org/abs/1108.0712 http://arxiv.org/abs/1108.0712: Small Particles In Pluto's Environment: Effects Of The Solar Radiation Pressure __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Structural and Thermal Model of BepiColombo Arrive at ESTEC
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=49053 Structural and Thermal Model of the Mercury Planetary Orbiter arrives at ESTEC European Space Agency August 5, 2011 This is the first entry in the BepiColombo Test Campaign Journal, a series of articles covering the main events during the integration and testing of the Structural and Thermal Models (STM) and the Proto-Flight Models (PFM) of the four major components that make up the BepiColombo composite spacecraft stack. The journal is expected to run until the completion of PFM testing in the fourth quarter of 2013; shortly after this, the BepiColombo Launch Campaign Journal will begin. * * The BepiColombo Mercury Planetary Orbiter (MPO) STM arrived at ESA's European Space Research and Technology Centre (ESTEC) in Noordwijk, the Netherlands, during the night of 29/30 July. It had travelled by road from the Turin facility of Thales Alenia Space, the MPO Prime Contractor, where most of the spacecraft integration was performed. The journey lasted nearly six days, because the unusually wide load could only travel at night and had to follow a prescribed route. The orbiter travelled in a specially built transport container that maintained it in a temperature and humidity controlled nitrogen atmosphere and provided protection against vibration and shocks. On Saturday 30 July, the exterior of the transport container was cleaned in an airlock at the ESTEC Test Centre and moved into a cleanroom. Once it had reached thermal equilibrium overnight, the container was opened; all personnel then left the cleanroom while the nitrogen from the container dispersed. The MPO was then lifted out of the transport container and mounted via its +Z face (the 'bottom' when it is mounted on the launcher) on a ground handling trolley. The trolley allows the spacecraft to be positioned with its Z-axis (the vertical axis in launch configuration) anywhere from vertical to horizontal and to be rotated 360° about its Z-axis, allowing full access. A number of additional integration tasks are now being performed, including the installation of the outer, high-temperature thermal protection blankets. These tasks and preparations for the MPO thermal-vacuum test will continue for almost three weeks; the MPO will then be installed in the Large Space Simulator (LSS), beginning on 30 August. Closing of the LSS main chamber after MPO installation and connection of all the test harnesses is currently scheduled for 9 September, followed by pumping and outgassing to achieve the required vacuum of around 10-9 bar. Thermal-vacuum testing is expected to last until the first week of October, with the MPO scheduled to leave the LSS chamber by mid-October. Harsh Thermal Environment The BepiColombo MPO will face a particularly challenging thermal environment while in orbit around Mercury. Not only will it be strongly illuminated by the Sun, it will also orbit closer to its host planet than previous spacecraft and will therefore experience much higher levels of infrared radiation on its nadir-pointing panel. To cope with these demands, the MPO is fitted with two sets of multi-layer thermal insulation blankets; a special 30-layer high-temperature blanket covers a more conventional 10-layer blanket. The outer blanket employs a special fastening technique to avoid the use of mounting holes in the blanket and the protrusion of stand-offs that might be illuminated by the Sun. To minimise conductive coupling between the two blankets, they are kept 15 mm apart and their facing surfaces are highly reflective, to minimise radiative coupling. In total, the MPO is fitted with 66 kg of thermal blankets. The MPO is equipped with a very large radiator to transfer the heat generated by its internal systems to deep space. Heat from the electronics units inside the spacecraft is carried to the radiator by 93 heat pipes, the majority of which are embedded in the internal structural panels. The radiator takes up the entire nadir-facing panel of the spacecraft. It is protected from infrared radiation coming from Mercury by polished titanium louvres that reflect the incident radiation into space. The louvres will reach a temperature of around 400 °C, while the radiator will operate at 60 °C. A Testing Challenge Testing to ensure that the MPO design will withstand the thermal environment in Mercury orbit poses a challenge for the LSS. Reflectors in the Sun simulator that focus the radiation from the 19 lamps onto the spacecraft have been adjusted to concentrate the radiation and achieve the highest ever level of illumination â 10 solar constants. To be able to maintain a sufficiently low temperature on the thermal shrouds that surround the MPO to simulate the cold of deep space, the flow rate of the liquid nitrogen that cools the shrouds has been increased by a factor of six, to 5000 l/hr. An additional shroud has been installed to cool the MPO radiator. Both Hot and Cold It might seem odd
Re: [meteorite-list] OT DNA and RNA in cometary material
Ed - how foolish to fall into that trap of being an organism on earth saying what is the highest life forms on earth are - no doubt including humans. That's like saying whoever drops the nuclear bomb is the most smartest, most advanced on the Earth. The highest life form on earth is God and He will send the comet when He is not pleased with what he sees, so best not to offend Him. ...if, you don't believe in Him in the sense of a life form, plants will have a good chance of surviving because of higher life form characteristics than e.g. humans have. For example, when his sidekick Broccoli Boy was sawed in many pieces by Oven Mitten Woman, listen to how Arabidopsis Man explains todipotency -a characteristic if a higher life form that I don't see around here ... not to mention that many so-called higher life forms, come in predominantly male and female forms and waste the best part of their lives partying and fornicating instead of dedicating themselves to whatever other novo-productive things higher life forms are doing. A higher life form would be might be androdioecious and many of them will survive the catastrophe! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdBKvEnuQw4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiQiKX90QPo Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DNA and RNA in cometary material Well now, that's a comforting thought: If the next big one hits and extincts all higher life forms on Earth, it will also bring with it the components to start life over again and give it another chance here. E.P. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Met Soc Meeting in London
Hoping that everyone at the Met Soc Meeting in London is safe and ok. A friend at the meeting today tells me that events are being cancelled. Wishing everyone well there. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Offers Media Access To Curiosity on August 12
August 09, 2011 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov George H. Diller Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 321-867-2468 george.h.dil...@nasa.gov Guy Webster Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-6278 guy.w.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov MEDIA ADVISORY: M11-166 NASA OFFERS MEDIA ACCESS TO MARS-BOUND ROVER ON AUG. 12 CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. -- NASA's next Mars rover, the Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) known as Curiosity, will be the focus of a media opportunity at 7 a.m. EDT on Friday, Aug. 12, at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida. News media representatives will have an opportunity to photograph the rover and interview project and launch program officials during the event at Kennedy's Payload Hazardous Servicing Facility. Curiosity will be integrated later with its descent stage, which will take it to the Martian surface. The MSL mission is targeted to launch Nov. 25 from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station's Complex 41 aboard a United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket. For the Aug. 12 event, journalists must arrive at the Kennedy Press Site no later than 7 a.m. for transportation to the facility. They will return to the Press Site by 10:15 a.m. No more than two representatives from a media organization will be allowed to participate because of limited space. The deadline to apply for accreditation is Thursday, Aug. 11 at noon. Government photo identification, such as a driver's license or passport, will be required to receive a badge. Journalists who are foreign nationals may attend only if they possess a permanently- issued NASA media accreditation picture badge from Kennedy Space Center, or a Kennedy-issued white badge with an affixed green dot. Hours of the Kennedy Badging Office located on State Road 405 east of the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex are 6 a.m. to 3 p.m. Journalists needing accreditation should apply online at: https://media.ksc.nasa.gov Reporters should call the Kennedy update phone line at 321-867-2525 on Thursday evening to confirm the event date and time have not changed. Curiosity will use 10 science instruments to investigate whether the selected area inside Gale crater was ever habitable or provided conditions favorable for microbial life. The rover's drill will pull samples from rocks' interiors so other instruments aboard can analyze them for evidence about past environments and the presence of chemical ingredients for life. The rover's payload also includes color cameras, a laser that will analyze rocks from a distance to detect their composition, and sensors that monitor weather, water and high-energy radiation. Individuals entering the cleanroom where the spacecraft is being prepared for launch must follow procedures for optically sensitive spacecraft. Full cleanroom attire (bunny suits) will be furnished and must be worn. Participants may not wear perfume, cologne or makeup. Long pants and closed-toe shoes must be worn -- no shorts or skirts. Photographers will need to clean camera equipment under the supervision of contamination-control specialists. All camera equipment must be self-contained. No portable lights are allowed. Non-essential equipment such as suede, leather or vinyl camera bags or other carrying cases must be left outside the cleanroom. No notebook paper, pencils, or conventional pens are permitted. Special pens and cleanroom paper will be provided. No food, tobacco, chewing gum, lighters, matches or pocketknives will be allowed. Use of wireless microphones and cellular telephones is not allowed inside the cleanroom. Electronic flash will be permitted. The lighting in the facility is high-pressure sodium (orange). NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., manages the MSL mission. The launch is managed by NASA's Launch Services Program (LSP) at Kennedy. Spokespeople from JPL and LSP will be available for questions and interviews. For more information about MSL, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/msl -end- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA inmeteorites
But the nucleobases found in the meteorite are of BOTH optical isomers -- right- and left- handed molecules -- or so the video says. if they were from terrestrial contamination, they would be only the Earthly orientation. The point is that not only amino acids are being produced in space a-biotically but so are common nucleobases, ready to be assembled. It's not like getting DNA from space --- it's like getting a box of pre-fitted ladder rungs so you can build your own ladder. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 1:49 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA inmeteorites Hello fellow Listerians: It's hype, just like the sketchy arsenic-based life forms and the imaginary Martian fossils. First off when you say DNA, most people think of a biotic double helix just like we have in the nuclei of our cells. Components of DNA is an entirely different thing, like maybe a little bit of a rung from the DNA ladder. And the same nucleobases plus some hypoxanthine and xanthine were found in the surrounding ice and soil samples near the other meteorites. Sounds a lot like terrestrial contamination. Maybe the analog compounds were present or created at impact, but it sure sounds like the other stuff seeped in while the meteorites lay there for how long? I mean c'mon the exact same compounds? What are the chances of that? They've got to stop crying wolf all the time, it's getting old. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreign checks in the US
Hey Mike. I think just to be safe you should request an International Money Order. At least that way, it can be traced if necessary, and there shouldn't be a hold on it. If you get the cheque, and send the items only to find out the cheque is rubber, then you are out of luck. Cheers Mike Craig M Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:45:22 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreign checks in the US Hi List, Quick question for the dealers : have you ever heard of a US bank accepting a check from an overseas bank? Specifically, a check from India from an Indian bank that is affiliated with Bank of America, and the check in question will be drawn against Bank of America and can be deposited or cashed at any Bank of America? I ask because I received a request from an overseas customer and the request seems legit in other respects, but I am reluctant to deal with the kind of stuff where I have to walk in to the bank, speak to a supervisor and get it handled - it's a PITA and I'd rather just go through the drive-through and get my business done quick. And unless this is some form of Cashier's Check, there is no telling how long it will take for a check like this to clear and the funds to become available. Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Missouri USA monographs
Hello all, I am a collector from Missouri interested in purchasing publications or monographs describing Missouri meteorites. I am building a collection of MO meteorites/impactites along with the corresponding monographs where available. I am primarily interested in the... Mincy (Taney County) Archie Butler Harrisonville Warrenton (Warren County) ...monographs as well as others, but will consider other types of publications as well. Also I am expanding/upgrading my collection of Missouri meteorites for anyone who may have some material available for sale or trade. Thanks, Karl Aston __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
