Re: [meteorite-list] List
Count, Sounds like a can of worms. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List Facebook Been up on it about a month. Since I made that error in judgement, my web mail has turned into a spam can. I feel like Betty Davis who famously quippedWho do I have to go to bed with to get off this movie? Best to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Aug 17, 2011 11:46 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List I think people are migrating over to Facebook... I think it's a little early for the start of the migration season. I think migration comes after the winds cool and the leaves begin to change colors, when the rivers are lower and easier for the herda to ford. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List I think people are migrating over to Facebook. Eric On 8/17/2011 2:50 PM, Ted Bunch wrote: Isn't this great!!?? Ted On 8/17/11 1:02 PM, pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com wrote: Is it just me or is the list out of kilter? Only about 10 posts per day for the last week? Don't get me wrong, the posts are quality posts, but there just seems to be so few of them. Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay
Sonny, This is interesting because the seller and finder are also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995. They also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of that Bob Haag never got added to the official record. I also had no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find until now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT strewnfield back in 1995 and I was with them when they originally found Snyder Hill. It was interesting because Mike Holden and Jerome Johnson found the first half of Snyder Hill and the very next day Dave found the other half on the opposite side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and each half went it's own direction. They were later reunited and they fit perfectly back together. Bob Haag has said it a million times. Go back and search where meteorites have been found before. It worked again. I talked to Dave tonight for the first time since 1995 and he told me he had not ever been back since his first find until this past March when he found this latest Cat MT. 001. This story has another interesting twist to it. Back then everyone was worried about ownership. For this reason everyone was afraid to mention find locations. There was no Met-list to ask questions. Only rumors. Long story short the true find location of Snyder Hill was eventually correctly documented and named appropriately. Tonight Dave said he went back to the hill because that is the only place he had ever found a meteorite and low and behold he found another of the holy grail of all impact melt breccias. A new Cat MT itself. He says he sold it to Ruben for a pile of money and some nice meteorites were thrown in on the deal. So, looks like Dave finds meteorites every time he hunts. Even if they were 16 years apart. Great job Dave. Carl -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi List, Cat Mountain for sale on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Cat-Mountian-meteorite-001-/330599015532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4cf93ca46c __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting Laws
Hi all, Here's a funny link. This is how certain countries view themselves in regards to their strict meteorite laws... lol http://imgur.com/gallery/wAdJV [Erik] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
Gee Adam, tell us what you really think! LOL ;) Marcin is right, fraudulent or not, Shiro is now a dubious part of meteorite collector history. A lot of people were fooled by it, dropped a small fortune on it, and later were disappointed to find out it is not meteoritic. If I was one of those early buyers, I would have a sour opinion of Shiro also. Putting that aside for a moment, from an aesthetic standpoint, it is an interesting meteorwrong and if a buyer knowingly wants to acquire a piece for their meteorwrong collection, then I don't see anything wrong with it, especially if the original fraudster does not profit from it. As far as aesthetics go, this pseudo-pallasite sits right on the shelf next to Plutorano and Mendota - a weird material that resembles a meteorite but is not. I show it to friends side-by-side with an etched slice of Brenham and I ask them to pick which one is a real meteorite. 90% of the time they guess correctly. Best regards, MikeG PS - Shiro isn't made from melted down engine blocks, it's made from Pabst Blue Ribbon cans. -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 8/18/11, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Bob and List, My guess is that scrap metal from a nearby junkyard was thrown into a 40 kilogram crucible and then preheated/shattered olivine crystals were mixed in. Perhaps a FE Ford big block was melted down since it contains about the same amount of nickel. At least to me, it was an obvious fraud from the beginning. When I first laid eyes on a pile of this garbage, I walked away immediately. I neither purchased or sold any. The material was already bar-coded before it hit Tucson. There were no pieces with outside surface. Frogman photographs without a single image of person's face diving in middle of winter, posted on a website, prepared ahead of time with the intention to defraud collectors out of their hard earned money. I won't waste any more time on this fraud and can't understand why anybody would won't it polluting their collections. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD- BIG Meteorite SALE - Nice Selection
AD- BIG Meteorite SALE - Nice Selection LIVE .99 auctions + FREE Shipping! www.OUTERSPACEROCKS.com HIGHLIGHTS include: NWA 6077 OFFICIAL Earth Related Brachinite - 1.1g NWA 6080 OFFICIAL LL4 with nice Fusion Crust - 65g NWA 6081 OFFICIAL LL4 Beautiful nice and thin Complete Slice 6.8g NWA 6283 Provisional RARE H3.6 Complete Slice with BIG White Clast 4.12g NWA 6285 OFFICIAL LL5 with natural holes 10.6g NWA 6288 Provisional Eucrite Breccia thin part slice 1.6g NWA 6289 OFFICIAL LL4 part slice 6.4g NWA 6290 Provisional Diogenite Breccia 12.9g NWA Unclassified Individual Cut High Quality Specimen 693g You can conveniently view these live auctions @ www.outerspacerocks.com Thank You Have a Great Weekend! John Higgins IMCA#9822 www.fusioncrust.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay
Hi Carl, These are truly amazing finds. This is a great example to everyone that if one meteorite is found return and check for more pieces. Who knows, you may find something from a different fall. The number one key is to spend time in the field and to have fun! Sonny -Original Message- From: cdtucson cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; wahlperry wahlpe...@aol.com Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:00 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay Sonny,This is interesting because the seller and finder are also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995. They also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of that Bob Haag never got added to the official record.I also had no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find until now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT strewnfield back in 1995 and I was with them when they originally found Snyder Hill.It was interesting because Mike Holden and Jerome Johnson found the first half of Snyder Hill and the very next day Dave found the other half on the opposite side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and each half went it's own direction. They were later reunited and they fit perfectly back together.Bob Haag has said it a million times. Go back and search where meteorites have been found before. It worked again. I talked to Dave tonight for the first time since 1995 and he told me he had not ever been back since his first find until this past March when he found this latest Cat MT. 001. This story has another interesting twist to it. Back then everyone was worried about ownership. For this reason everyone was afraid to mention find locations. There was no Met-list to ask questions. Only rumors. Long story short the true find location of Snyder Hill was eventually correctly documented and named appropriately. Tonight Dave said he went back to the hill because that is the only place he had ever found a meteorite and low and behold he found another of the holy grail of all impact melt breccias. A new Cat MT itself. He says he sold it to Ruben for a pile of money and some nice meteorites were thrown in on the deal. So, looks like Dave finds meteorites every time he hunts. Even if they were 16 years apart. Great job Dave.Carl-- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi List, Cat Mountain for sale on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Cat-Mountian-meteorite-001-/330599015532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4cf93ca46c __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteor Reports
Dear List, There are several reports of meteors: Mesa, Washington Meteor 0045 hrs pst 19AUG2011 Merino, Colorado Meteor 9:00 pm 18AUG2011 Toronto, Canada Meteor Fireball 10:50 pm 18AUG2011 Seychelles, Beau Vallon Meteor 18AUG2011 MBIQ DETECTS ICELAND METEOR EVENT 18AUG2011 Spokane, WA, USA Meteor 17AUG2011 MBIQ Detects Meteor Event in Greece 18AUG2011 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
I am confused. A somewhat normal state for me. Adam, From your post it sounds as if this is man made. If so, I missed that part. Is Shirokovsky man made? Best to all, Griff Parker, Colorado, USA - Original Message - From: Marcin Cimala mar...@meteoryt.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky - Original Message - I can't believe anybody would reward these fraudsters by purchasing this fake garbage. A lot of collectors lost thousands of dollars on this material that probable cost 40 cents a kilogram to produce. Adam Oh Adam, Did You never lost money on fake meteorite, dishonest seller or lunar that become a earth rock ? Did You never buy Putorano only becouse it looks fantastic ? I know many persons was dissapointed, but this not change fact that this material is nice, strange and mysterious and its part of meteorite history. Anyone who buy it know, its a fake. Their choice. I love my 1mm thin transparent slice of Shiro same as my 2mm Brahin or Seymchan. And in the name of science :), even if its very late here, I etched one of my endpieces. 30/70% Nitric Acid in alcohol. For You Michael :) Iron become dark and very ugly. How its possible if ther should be 20-47 wt% Ni ? http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/shiroko_etched1a.jpg http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/shiroko_etched1b.jpg zoom 16x of etched surface. Many balls or something. Very strange http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/shiroko_etched1c.jpg -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nakhla radio program on BBC Radio
Hello Listers Here is a link to a radio program from BBC Radio about the Nakhla meteorite. Gem of all Gems when it comes to Martian meteorites. Enjoy Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List
I tried to sign up for Facebook 4 or 5 years ago. For some reason, my application never went through. Although many people love Facebook, with some of the horror stories circulating, I think I'm glad it failed. Best! Tracy Latimer From: alm...@kconline.com To: countde...@earthlink.net; sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 04:50:54 -0400 CC: e...@meteoritewatch.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List Count, Sounds like a can of worms. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List Facebook Been up on it about a month. Since I made that error in judgement, my web mail has turned into a spam can. I feel like Betty Davis who famously quippedWho do I have to go to bed with to get off this movie? Best to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ***SPAM*** Re: Shirokovsky
I am confused. A somewhat normal state for me. Adam, From your post it sounds as if this is man made. If so, I missed that part. Is Shirokovsky man made? You know, Its the only reasonable explanation (I think), but I never see any proff for this. The other question is if they made it just to make fraud or they found this industry slag and turn it into a expensive meteorite just for big and fast money. I think noone care anymore about Shiro, so we never know what it is. I tryed to talk with one of the finders but, Its other storry :))) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] Best to all, Griff Parker, Colorado, USA - Original Message - From: Marcin Cimala mar...@meteoryt.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky - Original Message - I can't believe anybody would reward these fraudsters by purchasing this fake garbage. A lot of collectors lost thousands of dollars on this material that probable cost 40 cents a kilogram to produce. Adam Oh Adam, Did You never lost money on fake meteorite, dishonest seller or lunar that become a earth rock ? Did You never buy Putorano only becouse it looks fantastic ? I know many persons was dissapointed, but this not change fact that this material is nice, strange and mysterious and its part of meteorite history. Anyone who buy it know, its a fake. Their choice. I love my 1mm thin transparent slice of Shiro same as my 2mm Brahin or Seymchan. And in the name of science :), even if its very late here, I etched one of my endpieces. 30/70% Nitric Acid in alcohol. For You Michael :) Iron become dark and very ugly. How its possible if ther should be 20-47 wt% Ni ? http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/shiroko_etched1a.jpg http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/shiroko_etched1b.jpg zoom 16x of etched surface. Many balls or something. Very strange http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/shiroko_etched1c.jpg -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nakhla radio program LINK
Hello Listers, Let me try this again. Here is a radio program from the BBC radio about the Nakhla meteorite fall and here is the link that I forget to post in the first post :) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0124p9y/Frontiers_29_06_2011/ Enjoy Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html [meteorite-list] Nakhla radio program on BBC Radio Shawn Alan photophlow at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 12:24:45 EDT 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD-ebay auctions ending Sat, Aug 20 Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hello Listers Here is a link to a radio program from BBC Radio about the Nakhla meteorite. Gem of all Gems when it comes to Martian meteorites. Enjoy Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
Since it was stated that the external surfaces of Shirokovsky were never seen, here is a poster of the Shirokovsky expedition 2003 with several individuals and endcuts showing the external surfaces of the stone: http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/Shirokovski.jpg Here is a photos of my endcut which also shows external surfaces and internal structure: http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/Shiro500a.jpg http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/Shiro500b.jpg http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/Shiro-508b.jpg http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/Shiro-508c.jpg Yeah, Shiro is not a meteorite and is probably manmade. But it is an attractive meteorwrong, and like many meteorites, it is a stone with an interesting story behind it. gary On Aug 19, 2011, at 6:53 AM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Shirokovsky is man-made. It was represented as a meteorite when it first surfaced on the market. Many collectors paid top dollar for this new pallasite and later it was revealed to be a fake. A lot of people have a sour taste in their mouth for Shirokovsky. Now it is sold as a meteorwrong and buyers know they are getting a manmade material that resembles a pallasite in some respects. As far as I know, nobody knows exactly how it was made or exactly who made it. What is certain is - it is *not* meteorite, and a lot of people paid good money for it thinking it was a pallasite. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 8/19/11, Floyd Griff Griffith griff6...@msn.com wrote: I am confused. A somewhat normal state for me. Adam, From your post it sounds as if this is man made. If so, I missed that part. Is Shirokovsky man made? Best to all, Griff Parker, Colorado, USA - Original Message - From: Marcin Cimala mar...@meteoryt.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky - Original Message - I can't believe anybody would reward these fraudsters by purchasing this fake garbage. A lot of collectors lost thousands of dollars on this material that probable cost 40 cents a kilogram to produce. Adam Oh Adam, Did You never lost money on fake meteorite, dishonest seller or lunar that become a earth rock ? Did You never buy Putorano only becouse it looks fantastic ? I know many persons was dissapointed, but this not change fact that this material is nice, strange and mysterious and its part of meteorite history. Anyone who buy it know, its a fake. Their choice. I love my 1mm thin transparent slice of Shiro same as my 2mm Brahin or Seymchan. And in the name of science :), even if its very late here, I etched one of my endpieces. 30/70% Nitric Acid in alcohol. For You Michael :) Iron become dark and very ugly. How its possible if ther should be 20-47 wt% Ni ? http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/shiroko_etched1a.jpg http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/shiroko_etched1b.jpg zoom 16x of etched surface. Many balls or something. Very strange http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/shiroko_etched1c.jpg -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
Hi Count, Marcin, Adam, all, I am the happy owner of the slice of Shirokovsky that Marcin posted photos of and i obviously acquired it in the full knowledge that it wasnt a meteorite. However it still forms a part of my collection and i very much like the specimen indeed. As Marcin says this piece really does show the man made nature of Shirokovsky. Count, i have not nickel tested this slice at all but as Marcin says the results after etching are very clear indeed. Adam, you obviously have very strong views on this but as i said above, i like this piece and i know of a lot of collectors who also have very nice slices of Shirokovsky too. You are entitled to your views of course but i think saying that anyone who has a piece of this is 'polluting' their collection is a bit harsh. Of course anyone buying a piece who is made to believe that it is a meteorite is of course being hoodwinked but if you buy a piece in the full knowledge of what it really is then there is no issue. I have it on display in my cabinet as a meteorwrong and it certainly is not 'polluting' my collection at all! At the end of the day, each to their own and everyone's collecting habits and acquisition criteria are very different and that's the beauty of this hobby, everyone does their own thing within their own budget and even the smallest collection of micromounts can be very special indeed, If everyone collected the same way, how boring would that be?! Historic, lunar/Martian, NWA, micromount, geographic even meteorwrongs are all collection criteria. Long live diversity within the metorite community! Cheers all Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
Hello All, Shirokovsky is terrestrial, it is a pseudo-meteorite, it is man-made! - does not contain typical accessory phases of stony-iron meteorites - accessory phases completely atypical - Olivine has a terrestrial oxygen isotopic composition - Pt/Ir ratio similar to that of terrestrial Cu-Ni ore deposits - has never been in space (noble gases no cosmic component!) - absence of cosmic-ray tracks corroborates noble gas study results (= bestätigen) - Olivine TL spectra similar to terrestrial peridotites Conclusion: Shirokovsky is manufactured, man-made! As for its nickel contents, see also the entry in the (online) Met.Bull. ... and, yes, I have a thin 2.7 gr slice of Shirokovsky with translucent olivines. I got that pseudo-pallasite in 2003 from Eric Olson. It doesn't pollute my collection but it sure looks a bit pale-faced when sitting next to a genuine pallasite like Esquel, Brenham, Admire, etc. Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Shirokovsky – French Paper About its Origin
Bob King nightsk...@gmail.com Thu Aug 18 20:22:33 EDT 2011 Dear Bob, You wrote, “Do you know how Shirokovsky was manufactured?” I found one paper about this topic: Dransart, E., and P. Guérin, 2005, Pseudo meteorite de shirokovsky. analyses metallurgiques et reconstitution metallo-pierreuse par la technique de la metallurgie des poudres [Pseudo meteorite shirokovsky metallurgical analyse and stone reconstitution trial by powder metallurgical process.] Observations Travaux. vol. 61, pp. 2-9 (SAO/NASA Astrophysics Data System (ADS)) http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2005OT612D Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List
I'm amazed at the old school mentality coming from the people in the meteorite world. Hmmm, why so negative? Why so technologically phobic? Interesting... Regards, Eric On 8/19/2011 10:15 AM, tracy latimer wrote: I tried to sign up for Facebook 4 or 5 years ago. For some reason, my application never went through. Although many people love Facebook, with some of the horror stories circulating, I think I'm glad it failed. Best! Tracy Latimer From: alm...@kconline.com To: countde...@earthlink.net; sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 04:50:54 -0400 CC: e...@meteoritewatch.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List Count, Sounds like a can of worms. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Count Deirocountde...@earthlink.net To: Sterling K. Webbsterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Eric Wichmane...@meteoritewatch.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List Facebook Been up on it about a month. Since I made that error in judgement, my web mail has turned into a spam can. I feel like Betty Davis who famously quippedWho do I have to go to bed with to get off this movie? Best to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I tried Facebook last year. Cancelled the account after 3 months, it bored the hell out of me. Plus I think it's sad that friends and family talk over the net instead of a phone call or visit. It's just far too impersonal for me. Tom http://home.roadrunner.com/~kb2sms/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - August 17, 2011
MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES August 17, 2011 o Pitted Materials in Bakhuysen Crater http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_020309_1570 Bakhuysen Crater, located in Noachis Terra, is thought to be the largest crater that possesses (and has preserved) these pitted materials. o Hematite in Capri Chasma http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_020309_1570 The TES instrument has detected gray hematite in this area of Capri Chasma, one of several large depressions that make up the Valles Marineris canyon system. o Caves and Craters http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_020309_1570 Earlier this year, the CTX camera team saw a crater containing a dark spot on the dusty slopes of the Pavonis Mons volcano. We took a closer look at this feature with HiRISE and found this unusual geologic feature. All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: August 15-18, 2011
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES August 15-18, 2011 o Coracis Fossae (15 August 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5709 o Windstreaks (16 August 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5710 o Windstreak (17 August 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5711 o Daedalia Planum (18 August 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5712 All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] China Reveals Solar Sail Plan To Prevent Apophis Hitting Earth in 2036
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27088/ China Reveals Solar Sail Plan To Prevent Apophis Hitting Earth in 2036 Technology Review (MIT) August 18, 2011 A small shove could prevent a global catastrophe, according to Chinese plans Apophis is a 46 million tonne asteroid that will pass within a hair's breath of Earth in 2029. However, Apophis's trajectory is likely to take it through a region of space near Earth known as a keyhole that will ensure the asteroid returns in 2036. Nobody knows how close Apophis will come on that pass. But if there's a chance of a collision, we'll have only 7 years to work out how to avoid catastrophe. Today, Shengping Gong and pals at Tsinghua University in Beijing say they've come up with a plan that will ensure Apophis never returns to Earth on this timescale . They point out that keyholes are tiny, in this case just 600 metres wide. So deflecting Apophis by only a small amount in the near future will ensure it misses the keyhole and so cannot return to Earth. There are various ways to deflect an asteroid. Gong and pals say their preference is to use a solar sail to place a small spacecraft into a retrograde orbit and on collision course with Apophis. The retrograde orbit will give it an impact velocity of 90km/s which, if they do this well enough in advance, should lead to a collision large enough to do the trick. Putting a spacecraft into a retrograde orbit about the Sun using little or no fuel is a pretty neat trick by anyone's standards.. The Chinese team's calculations demonstrate the point. They show that a 10 kg sail in retrograde orbit, that hits Apophis a year before 2029, would deflect it enough to miss the keyhole, thereby eliminating the chance that the asteroid will return in 2036. And such a mission ought to be relatively cheap and relatively easy to deploy. That sounds easy enough. In practice, however, threading this camel through the eye of a needle will be extremely tricky. There are all kinds of variations in the solar wind that could send such a spacecraft wildly off course. It also requires a huge sail that will be difficult to unfurl and also liable to damage during the course of the journey, which will itself take years. Then there's the structure and make up of Apophis, which is a complete mystery. Without knowing the material properties of the asteroid, it's impossible to determine how the impact will affect it. So there's a little more work to be done in Beijing before this plan can get off the ground. Perhaps they should team up with the Europeans we talked about the other week Ref: arxiv.org/abs/1108.3183 http://arxiv.org/abs/1108.3183: Utilization of H-reversal Trajectory of Solar Sail for Asteroid Deflection __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Rover Snapshots Capture Endeavour Crater Vistas
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-259 New Rover Snapshots Capture Endeavour Crater Vistas Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 19, 2011 NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity has captured new images of intriguing Martian terrain from a small crater near the rim of the large Endeavour crater. The rover arrived at the 13-mile-diameter (21-kilometer-diameter) Endeavour on Aug. 9, after a journey of almost three years. Opportunity is now examining the ejected material from the small crater, named Odyssey. The rover is approaching a large block of ejecta for investigation with tools on the rover's robotic arm. Opportunity and Spirit completed their three-month prime missions on Mars in April 2004. Both rovers continued for years of bonus, extended missions. Both have made important discoveries about wet environments on ancient Mars that may have been favorable for supporting microbial life. Spirit ended communications in March 2010. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the Mars Exploration Rover Project for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington. More information about the rovers is online at: http://www.nasa.gov/rovers or http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov . Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov 2011-259 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Rover Opportunity Update: August 10-17, 2011
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#opportunity OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Opportunity's Studying Small Crater on Rim of Large Crater /- sols 2682-2689, August 10-17, 2011: Opportunity has begun the exploration of the rim of Endeavour crater. The rover is examining the ejected material from a small crater on the rim of Endeavour, named Odyssey. This small crater has exhumed and exposed the ancient Noachian material of Endeavour's rim. Opportunity is in the process of approaching a large block of ejected material for further in-situ (contact) investigation. On Sols 2683 and 2685 (Aug. 11 and 13, 2011), the rover performed a pair of drives to position herself for a close approach to the rock target. On Sol 2688 (Aug. 16, 2011), the planned approach drive stopped early because the rover's visual odometry could not measure progress accurately due to a lack of visual features in the camera field of view. The approach to the rock target is rescheduled in the plan ahead. There was a modest dust cleaning event between Sols 2681 and 2683 (Aug. 9 and Aug. 11, 2011). As of Sol 2689 (Aug. 17, 2011), solar array energy production was 399 watt-hours with an atmospheric opacity (Tau) of 1.03 and a slightly improved solar array dust factor of 0.569. Total odometry is 20.83 miles (33,519.03 meters, or 33.52 kilometers). __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
I guess collecting artifacts has made me leery about fakes. Get caught with one fake artifact and it will put your entire collection in question. It is best to get artifacts papered and destroy any that have been killed by an independent authenticator. I see Shirokovsky as being off topic since it is not a meteorite and is was only produced in order to defraud honest collectors out of their hard earned money. If you want a piece of a recycled old Ford motor block in your collection, that is your business. To me, it is garbage and so are the people who produced it! Adam - Original Message - From: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky Hello All, Shirokovsky is terrestrial, it is a pseudo-meteorite, it is man-made! - does not contain typical accessory phases of stony-iron meteorites - accessory phases completely atypical - Olivine has a terrestrial oxygen isotopic composition - Pt/Ir ratio similar to that of terrestrial Cu-Ni ore deposits - has never been in space (noble gases no cosmic component!) - absence of cosmic-ray tracks corroborates noble gas study results (= bestätigen) - Olivine TL spectra similar to terrestrial peridotites Conclusion: Shirokovsky is manufactured, man-made! As for its nickel contents, see also the entry in the (online) Met.Bull. ... and, yes, I have a thin 2.7 gr slice of Shirokovsky with translucent olivines. I got that pseudo-pallasite in 2003 from Eric Olson. It doesn't pollute my collection but it sure looks a bit pale-faced when sitting next to a genuine pallasite like Esquel, Brenham, Admire, etc. Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I'm amazed at the old school mentality coming from the people in the meteorite world. Hmmm, why so negative? Why so technologically phobic? Interesting... Regards, Eric Agree... Sometimes we have a reason to not talk with family members. As we say in Poland, You look good with family only on photos. Seriously, I can visit my family, but I cant visit YOU ! But if You share Your photos, links You like, places You have visit, meteorites You just purchased its very nice. I can know better meteorite list members. Only positive vibrations. And You decide what You share with world. And dont compare FB from 4-5 years ago to present times becouse its ridiculous. Its like comparing Wright Brothers plane to F-16. Ohh... -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I'm amazed at the old school mentality coming from the people in the meteorite world. Hmmm, why so negative? Why so technologically phobic? I have to agree with you Eric. With Facebook, I've been able to keep in contact with people I probably would have not stayed in contact with under usual circumstances. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
Adam wrote: If you want a piece of a recycled old Ford motor block in your collection, that is your business. Not to be too anal, but wouldn't something like Karkhov Russian tractor block be more accurate? ;) Cheers, Pete Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:38:17 -0700 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky I guess collecting artifacts has made me leery about fakes. Get caught with one fake artifact and it will put your entire collection in question. It is best to get artifacts papered and destroy any that have been killed by an independent authenticator. I see Shirokovsky as being off topic since it is not a meteorite and is was only produced in order to defraud honest collectors out of their hard earned money. If you want a piece of a recycled old Ford motor block in your collection, that is your business. To me, it is garbage and so are the people who produced it! Adam - Original Message - From: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky Hello All, Shirokovsky is terrestrial, it is a pseudo-meteorite, it is man-made! - does not contain typical accessory phases of stony-iron meteorites - accessory phases completely atypical - Olivine has a terrestrial oxygen isotopic composition - Pt/Ir ratio similar to that of terrestrial Cu-Ni ore deposits - has never been in space (noble gases no cosmic component!) - absence of cosmic-ray tracks corroborates noble gas study results (= bestätigen) - Olivine TL spectra similar to terrestrial peridotites Conclusion: Shirokovsky is manufactured, man-made! As for its nickel contents, see also the entry in the (online) Met.Bull. ... and, yes, I have a thin 2.7 gr slice of Shirokovsky with translucent olivines. I got that pseudo-pallasite in 2003 from Eric Olson. It doesn't pollute my collection but it sure looks a bit pale-faced when sitting next to a genuine pallasite like Esquel, Brenham, Admire, etc. Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Too each their own, and neither medium should be dismissed or condemned. Meeting in person, talking on the phone, or writing out a well though-out, snail-mail, letter (in cursive!), all have their advantages. Some of them are becoming dying art forms - like letter correspondence. They all have their appeal, and at the moderately-old age of 41, I straddle the line between the erudite dinosaurs and the modern technoholics. I have a cell phone, but it's an old dumb variety that is just a phone - no camera, no apps, no face-time messaging, etc. It's not the best, but it serves it's purpose for someone who grew up in the age before cell-phones and the only way to call someone was from home or a dime phone-booth on a street corner. We got by just fine without cellphones back then. So my primitive non-smart cellphone does the trick. If I want to play games, watch movies, or web-surfing, I have my netbook PC for that. The point I am getting at is - Facebook is another stepping stone on the evolution of communication. God only knows where the path is heading and whether it's a good thing or not. But like it or not, the younger generation is being raised on these devices and they are driving innovation and the direction of technologyand by extension, the nature of society in relationship to technology. Almost half a billion people worldwide use Facebook and it's free. Two years from now, everyone will probably be hot to trot over something new and Facebook will sit neglected in the cellar like MySpace. There is a lot of meteorite-related activity taking place on Facebook. Discussions, photo-sharing, offers/trades, networking, etc. It's not a replacement for this mailing list and it's not better or worse in any regard. It's just another tool to communicate with people over long distances. I don't get free international calls on my DumbPhone 0G, and Facebook is free, so it's cheaper to talk to people that way. I have friends in several countries, and I certainly can't afford to jump on a jet and go visit them. Many of these friends are not members of this mailing list, yet a few of them end up becoming meteorite collectors because they discovered meteorites on Facebook and probably a few of them will discover this mailing list via Facebook. Is that a good thing? Maybe! God only knows. LOL I'm not suggesting that everyone rush out and use Facebook. It wasn't my cup of tea either, for a long time. I avoided it until two years ago. Now, I use it daily and have made several new friends. But, I could live without it and get by fine. I just choose to use it. Best regards and back to meteorites MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 8/19/11, geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com wrote: I'm amazed at the old school mentality coming from the people in the meteorite world. Hmmm, why so negative? Why so technologically phobic? I have to agree with you Eric. With Facebook, I've been able to keep in contact with people I probably would have not stayed in contact with under usual circumstances. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
Adam, and List. (I love m-wrongs, btw)I have a couple Shirokovsky slices, and one thick from long ago when this all started, with outside surface. Outside looks nothing like meteoritic material. - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky Hi Bob and List, My guess is that scrap metal from a nearby junkyard was thrown into a 40 kilogram crucible and then preheated/shattered olivine crystals were mixed in. Perhaps a FE Ford big block was melted down since it contains about the same amount of nickel. At least to me, it was an obvious fraud from the beginning. When I first laid eyes on a pile of this garbage, I walked away immediately. I neither purchased or sold any. The material was already bar-coded before it hit Tucson. There were no pieces with outside surface. Frogman photographs without a single image of person's face diving in middle of winter, posted on a website, prepared ahead of time with the intention to defraud collectors out of their hard earned money. I won't waste any more time on this fraud and can't understand why anybody would won't it polluting their collections. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
Hi Adam and List, If you could melt down and recycle an old Ford engine block into something that looked close enough to a pallasite to fool many people, then it would be worth money to some collectors. Heck, it would fetch a premium because *you* made it in an overt attempt to show up Shirokovsky and make a pseudo-pallasite. We could call it Hupilac Pallasite ;) Seriously though, Adam's strong negative reaction to Shirokovsky is proof positive of two things - it evokes a passionate response in the meteorite collector community (from a veteran respected member no less), and that makes it collectible to some people. Like it or not, Shirokovsky has become an infamous member of the meteorite community - lovely horrid phoney thing that it is. It might be made from 3 parts Russian beer cans and 1 part yellow ale, but when sliced and polished properly, it can be quite beautiful in it's own fraudulent way. That is why so many people spent good money on it when it was first misrepresented as a meteorite. If it was absolutely terrible to look at, from an aesthetic standpoint, very few people would have bought it and would probably wouldn't be talking about it now. The problem with Shiro is not it's fake nature, it is how/why it was represented as a meteorite. I do not know the entire back story yet, but the material was knowingly offered as a meteorite by sellers/finders who knew (or strongly suspected) it was not a real meteorite. They lied about tests being done and the nature/results of those tests. It scammed a lot of people who thought they bought a new pallasite and instead owned a piece of smelted engine block with olivine windows. Had Shiro had been an accidental slag creation (like Mendota probably is), then it would not have such a negative connotation. What many people find objectionable about Shiro is not the material itself, so much as the way it ripped people off through fraudulent misrepresentation. To me, it is an interesting meteorwrong and it sits in a cabinet drawer I have dedicated to meteorwrongs - there are all clearly labeled as such. They are used for comparison purposes to trying to explain meteorite identification to others and for my own personal enjoyment for compiling many types of wrongs. I will freely admit - if I had been duped and got ripped off on a Shiro specimen while thinking it was a real meteorite, I would have a sour taste for it and I would rather toss it into a deep lake. So I understand the other point of view. But I am curious what the recipe is for Shiro, how exactly it was made, and the nefarious story of shady characters that led to it's emergence as a new pallasite. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 8/19/11, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: I guess collecting artifacts has made me leery about fakes. Get caught with one fake artifact and it will put your entire collection in question. It is best to get artifacts papered and destroy any that have been killed by an independent authenticator. I see Shirokovsky as being off topic since it is not a meteorite and is was only produced in order to defraud honest collectors out of their hard earned money. If you want a piece of a recycled old Ford motor block in your collection, that is your business. To me, it is garbage and so are the people who produced it! Adam - Original Message - From: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky Hello All, Shirokovsky is terrestrial, it is a pseudo-meteorite, it is man-made! - does not contain typical accessory phases of stony-iron meteorites - accessory phases completely atypical - Olivine has a terrestrial oxygen isotopic composition - Pt/Ir ratio similar to that of terrestrial Cu-Ni ore deposits - has never been in space (noble gases no cosmic component!) - absence of cosmic-ray tracks corroborates noble gas study results (= bestätigen) - Olivine TL spectra similar to terrestrial peridotites Conclusion: Shirokovsky is manufactured, man-made! As for its nickel contents, see also the entry in the (online) Met.Bull. ... and, yes, I have a thin 2.7 gr slice of Shirokovsky with translucent olivines. I got that pseudo-pallasite in 2003 from Eric Olson. It doesn't pollute my collection but it sure looks a bit pale-faced when sitting next to a genuine pallasite like Esquel, Brenham, Admire, etc. Cheers, Bernd
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
I guess collecting artifacts has made me leery about fakes. Get caught with one fake artifact and it will put your entire collection in question. It is best to get artifacts papered and destroy any that have been killed by an independent authenticator. I see Shirokovsky as being off topic since it is not a meteorite and is was only produced in order to defraud honest collectors out of their hard earned money. If you want a piece of a recycled old Ford motor block in your collection, that is your business. To me, it is garbage and so are the people who produced it! Adam = Adam, from two choices, I whould like to have Shiro + Putorano slices in my collection, than moskito killed? by meteorite or a big piece of someones roof with a tiny micromount of his hammer stone. Ofcourse its my choice. Anyway, if someone can change his car engine into a piece of iron with Thompson structures after etching I will be interested in a slice too : If someone questioning Your collection becouse You have some known meteor-wrongs or meteorite catsts then he must be ignorant who thinks he know more about collection than this collector. But at the end (I think) we collecting for Yourself, so other persons opinions are not most importand for us. (*). Its my hobby, and I know best what I have in my boxes (*) in the case if questioning person know not much about meteorites. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] . - Original Message - From: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky Hello All, Shirokovsky is terrestrial, it is a pseudo-meteorite, it is man-made! - does not contain typical accessory phases of stony-iron meteorites - accessory phases completely atypical - Olivine has a terrestrial oxygen isotopic composition - Pt/Ir ratio similar to that of terrestrial Cu-Ni ore deposits - has never been in space (noble gases no cosmic component!) - absence of cosmic-ray tracks corroborates noble gas study results (= bestätigen) - Olivine TL spectra similar to terrestrial peridotites Conclusion: Shirokovsky is manufactured, man-made! As for its nickel contents, see also the entry in the (online) Met.Bull. ... and, yes, I have a thin 2.7 gr slice of Shirokovsky with translucent olivines. I got that pseudo-pallasite in 2003 from Eric Olson. It doesn't pollute my collection but it sure looks a bit pale-faced when sitting next to a genuine pallasite like Esquel, Brenham, Admire, etc. Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Absolutely! The connections and information and social aspect of Facebook is much better and more pleasing than a simple email list. I guess some people are just technophobic. The photos, videos, link sharing, commenting, liking, friending, connecting and social interaction just can't be matched. Photo galleries can be created at will, you can stay updated on what your friends are doing, and it's good for business! Almost every big dealer I know uses Facebook for selling their meteorites. It's a great marketing tool, and you don't get bitched at by whiners who don't like seeing an Ad in their email box. If you don't want to look at an ad, it's easy to just move on to the next thing on Facebook. Way cooler than a static email list... Oh, and Geoff Notkin's Club Space Rock... Well, it rocks too! Pure meteorites and social networking. Email lists are being phased out the way the dinosaurs were. Facebook and Google+ are the asteroids that smashed the email lists and traditional forums. Eric On 8/19/2011 3:05 PM, Marcin Cimala wrote: I'm amazed at the old school mentality coming from the people in the meteorite world. Hmmm, why so negative? Why so technologically phobic? Interesting... Regards, Eric Agree... Sometimes we have a reason to not talk with family members. As we say in Poland, You look good with family only on photos. Seriously, I can visit my family, but I cant visit YOU ! But if You share Your photos, links You like, places You have visit, meteorites You just purchased its very nice. I can know better meteorite list members. Only positive vibrations. And You decide what You share with world. And dont compare FB from 4-5 years ago to present times becouse its ridiculous. Its like comparing Wright Brothers plane to F-16. Ohh... -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
