Re: [meteorite-list] new vesta video
Hi all, These grooves are not unique to Vesta and have been found on a number of other bodies with numerous formation theories. In fact here is one paper dedicated to grooves on asteroids and moons: http://multimedia.seti.org/PhD2011/abstracts/PhD2-11-024.pdf Cheers, Jeff -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bob King Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011 3:53 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new vesta video Oh, what the heck, I'll throw in my thoughts too. Could the Vesta grooves be faulting combined with later slumping (as seen many lunar craters) caused by the force of impact? Bob On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Richard, Larry, List,,, Larry has guessed, It is possible that the grooves are related to this impact.. I think Larry might be on to something.. If the grooves run parallel to the circumference of the large defect..might they not be upheavals caused by the forces moving out away from the epicenter? Just guessing, Guido -Original Message- From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Sent: Sep 21, 2011 5:21 AM To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net Cc: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new vesta video Richard: The depression is an impact feature, by far the largest relavtive to the size of the body it hit (Vesta). It is possible that the grooves are related to this impact (just a guess). Larry Howdy List, While the 'big depression' on the Vestan south pole has been a major focus...what about those wild grooves??? I see visions of a spinning Vesta grinding against another twin, gouging grooves in a dancea low gravity parlay perhaps analogous to a high-school bump and grind, the two spinning against each otherwhich begs the obvious question: where is the partner in grind?? Should we not expect to eventually find trailing remnants of both in those tell-tale grooves? -Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu To: Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com Cc: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new vesta video Hi Mike: I assume that you meant to say slick (hope that I am not putting words in your mouth). I have played this video several times and it is clear how much can be said about Vesta by the narrator without giving any scientific interpretation of it! I realize that there is always the mandate that little is said without an official press release or the published papers with the first results, but to say only that there is a depression at the south pole, a huge crater (known for many years) and probably the main source of most HED meteorites, leaves one wanting for at least some interpretation of what one is seeing. Larry i didn't see this posted to the list yet. pretty sick video. http://www.space.com/12998-asteroid-vesta-video-nasa-dawn-spacecraft.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found.
Hi Listees, Interesting. I don't think anyone knew it was missing. http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/weird/Long-Lost-Moon-Rock-Turns-Up-In-Clinton-Papers-130339863.html Best, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found.
Interesting!! I wonder how large the lunar sample is that is worth millions of dollars according to the article?? Best Regards, Bob Falls -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Count Deiro Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:33 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. Hi Listees, Interesting. I don't think anyone knew it was missing. http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/weird/Long-Lost-Moon-Rock-Turns-Up-In-Clinton-Papers-13033986 3.html Best, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found.
According to the lamestream media, all meteorites are worth millions of dollars. Larger ones are worth billions! Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Bob Falls bcmeteori...@gmail.com To: 'Count Deiro' countde...@earthlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. Interesting!! I wonder how large the lunar sample is that is worth millions of dollars according to the article?? Best Regards, Bob Falls -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Count Deiro Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:33 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. Hi Listees, Interesting. I don't think anyone knew it was missing. http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/weird/Long-Lost-Moon-Rock-Turns-Up-In-Clinton-Papers-13033986 3.html Best, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found.
Not being from the US, I'm a little confused by the article referring to Clinton: Roberts figures that when Clinton lost his bid for re-election in 1980,... and:A long-lost, highly valuable Moon rock brought back from the Apollo 17 mission has turned up in the files of Bill Clinton. It should read Carter, right? From: dori...@embarqmail.com To: bcmeteori...@gmail.com; countde...@earthlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 11:45:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. According to the lamestream media, all meteorites are worth millions of dollars. Larger ones are worth billions! Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Bob Falls bcmeteori...@gmail.com To: 'Count Deiro' countde...@earthlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. Interesting!! I wonder how large the lunar sample is that is worth millions of dollars according to the article?? Best Regards, Bob Falls -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Count Deiro Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:33 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. Hi Listees, Interesting. I don't think anyone knew it was missing. http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/weird/Long-Lost-Moon-Rock-Turns-Up-In-Clinton-Papers-13033986 3.html Best, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found.
Disregard! I've been informed that this was during Clinton's governor era. I read the article again, and it's articulated in the second paragraph. I should have read it slower. Thanks, Gar! Pete From: rsvp...@hotmail.com To: dori...@embarqmail.com; bcmeteori...@gmail.com; countde...@earthlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 11:52:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. Not being from the US, I'm a little confused by the article referring to Clinton: Roberts figures that when Clinton lost his bid for re-election in 1980,... and:A long-lost, highly valuable Moon rock brought back from the Apollo 17 mission has turned up in the files of Bill Clinton. It should read Carter, right? From: dori...@embarqmail.com To: bcmeteori...@gmail.com; countde...@earthlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 11:45:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. According to the lamestream media, all meteorites are worth millions of dollars. Larger ones are worth billions! Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Bob Falls bcmeteori...@gmail.com To: 'Count Deiro' countde...@earthlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. Interesting!! I wonder how large the lunar sample is that is worth millions of dollars according to the article?? Best Regards, Bob Falls -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Count Deiro Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:33 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. Hi Listees, Interesting. I don't think anyone knew it was missing. http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/weird/Long-Lost-Moon-Rock-Turns-Up-In-Clinton-Papers-13033986 3.html Best, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Few pictures of a new nice eucrite : NWA 6933
Hello, I just wouldlike to share some picture of my new eucrite, I start cutting and polishing today... http://www.wwmeteorites.com/Images/NWA%206933/NWA%206933%20-%2003.JPG http://www.wwmeteorites.com/Images/NWA%206933/NWA%206933%20-%2001.JPG http://www.wwmeteorites.com/Images/NWA%206933/NWA%206933%20-%2006.JPG All picture here : http://www.wwmeteorites.com/NWA6933.html Regards, Fabien Fabien Kuntz Météorites (ventes, expertise, conférences) Animation scientifique et technique WWMETEORITES (Siret : 511 850 612 00017) www.wwmeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Fragments: DaG667 + DaG670 + DaG 940 + Tulia (a)
Hello! I have some fragments in auctions ending in some hours: Meteorite from Dar al Gani - Dag 940 - ordinary chondrite L6 - last on market! http://www.ebay.com/itm/170697402360#ht_3054wt_1396 !!! Still at 1$cent !!! Meteorite Tulia (a) - ordinary chondrite H3-4 - fragment with box and labels http://www.ebay.com/itm/170697404353#ht_2996wt_1396 !!! Still at 1$cent !!! Meteorite Dar al Gani DaG 670 - Mars Martian Shergottite - fragment - VERY RARE! 63mg http://www.ebay.com/itm/170697446883#ht_3251wt_1396 Meteorite from Dar al Gani - DaG 667 - carbonaceous CO3 - fragment in box - RARE http://www.ebay.com/itm/170698021599#ht_3459wt_1396 Thanks for looking and bidding :) Francesco IMCA #1510 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A Man and his meteorites.
Not sure if this was postedpretty good... http://www.azcentral.com/storytellers/video.php?vid=1163972242001tcat=Southwest%20Meteorite%20Laboratory,meteorites,collector,arizona,st-work,st-passions,spacetname=A%20man%20and%20his%20meteorites Jim Wooddell https://k7wfr.us __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The origin of the Martian moons revisited
The paper entitled was published in the latest AARv journal, and freely available at http://www.springerlink.com/content/q4783536445623t6/ Katsu OHTSUKA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found.
The Alaska moon rock is not lost either. It might actually go up for auction one day. As a planetary collector, I'm saving up my pennies to place a bid ;) ha http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/15/coleman-anderson-moon-rocks-alaska_n_899748.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ebay restriction on international auctions of meteorites?
Aloha, I was working on inputing my lineup of offerings on ebay's scheduler, when I received the following emails from ebay stating they are removing the international site visibility feature. Here's what the message says: You recently created or revised this eBay listing that included the International Site Visibility feature: 230676640288 NEW! NWA 6929 H4 (S2,W2) 2.77g Meteorite Full Slice, However, we had to remove International Site Visibility from your listing. Of course, we won't be charging you the fee for it. Because the laws and eBay policies vary by country, sometimes items that can be listed in your country can't be listed internationally. It's also possible that the listing itself violated an eBay policy in another country. In situations like this, we automatically remove the International Site Visibility feature from the listing. We're sorry for the inconvenience this causes. Anyone else experience this? I never have. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ebay restriction on international auctions of meteorites?
Hi Gary, Wow, I have never seen that before. As if meteorite dealers didn't already have enough reason to bail out on eBay, now they add another reason to the growing pile. Since almost half of my sales are international, I guess I won't be returning to eBay any time soon. Of course, the greedy fees are reason alone to keep me away. I'm curious to see if this is a new policy going into effect and if other sellers are seeing the same thing. I haven't sold meteorites on eBay for two years, but I still buy some there on occasion - mostly from overseas sellers. If these international listings vanish, then I won't have any reason to visit eBay at all. If that happens, I'll just go ahead and cancel/close my account. Ever since Meg Whitman got her greedy paws on eBay, it's gone downhill. Is she still in charge over there, or did the shareholders finally run her off? Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 9/22/11, Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: Aloha, I was working on inputing my lineup of offerings on ebay's scheduler, when I received the following emails from ebay stating they are removing the international site visibility feature. Here's what the message says: You recently created or revised this eBay listing that included the International Site Visibility feature: 230676640288 NEW! NWA 6929 H4 (S2,W2) 2.77g Meteorite Full Slice, However, we had to remove International Site Visibility from your listing. Of course, we won't be charging you the fee for it. Because the laws and eBay policies vary by country, sometimes items that can be listed in your country can't be listed internationally. It's also possible that the listing itself violated an eBay policy in another country. In situations like this, we automatically remove the International Site Visibility feature from the listing. We're sorry for the inconvenience this causes. Anyone else experience this? I never have. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ebay restriction on international auctions of meteorites?
Don't blame Meg Whitman, she joined ebay in 1998 and turned it into a powerhouse before she left in November of 2007. After that was when it all went downhill. -Yinan On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gary, Wow, I have never seen that before. As if meteorite dealers didn't already have enough reason to bail out on eBay, now they add another reason to the growing pile. Since almost half of my sales are international, I guess I won't be returning to eBay any time soon. Of course, the greedy fees are reason alone to keep me away. I'm curious to see if this is a new policy going into effect and if other sellers are seeing the same thing. I haven't sold meteorites on eBay for two years, but I still buy some there on occasion - mostly from overseas sellers. If these international listings vanish, then I won't have any reason to visit eBay at all. If that happens, I'll just go ahead and cancel/close my account. Ever since Meg Whitman got her greedy paws on eBay, it's gone downhill. Is she still in charge over there, or did the shareholders finally run her off? Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 9/22/11, Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: Aloha, I was working on inputing my lineup of offerings on ebay's scheduler, when I received the following emails from ebay stating they are removing the international site visibility feature. Here's what the message says: You recently created or revised this eBay listing that included the International Site Visibility feature: 230676640288 NEW! NWA 6929 H4 (S2,W2) 2.77g Meteorite Full Slice, However, we had to remove International Site Visibility from your listing. Of course, we won't be charging you the fee for it. Because the laws and eBay policies vary by country, sometimes items that can be listed in your country can't be listed internationally. It's also possible that the listing itself violated an eBay policy in another country. In situations like this, we automatically remove the International Site Visibility feature from the listing. We're sorry for the inconvenience this causes. Anyone else experience this? I never have. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Posts Global Exploration Roadmap
Sep. 22, 2011 Michael Braukus/J.D. Harrington Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1979/5241 michael.j.brau...@nasa.gov/j.d.harring...@nasa.gov MEDIA ADVISORY: M11-202 NASA POSTS GLOBAL EXPLORATION ROADMAP WASHINGTON -- NASA is releasing the initial version of a Global Exploration Roadmap (GER) developed by the International Space Exploration Coordination Group. This roadmap is the culmination of work by 12 space agencies, including NASA, during the past year to advance coordinated space exploration. The GER begins with the International Space Station and expands human presence throughout the solar system, leading ultimately to crewed missions to explore the surface of Mars. The roadmap identifies two potential pathways: Asteroid Next and Moon Next. Each pathway represents a mission scenario that covers a 25-year period with a logical sequence of robotic and human missions. Both pathways were deemed practical approaches to address common high-level exploration goals developed by the participating agencies, recognizing that individual preferences among them may vary. To view the document, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/about/isecg/ For information about NASA and human exploration, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/exploration -end- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Professor Michael J. Drake, 1946-2011
http://www.uanews.org/node/42011 Regents' Professor Michael J. Drake, 1946-2011 University of Arizona September 21, 2011 Under Drake's leadership, the UA's Lunar and Planetary Laboratory grew from a small group of geologists and astronomers into an international powerhouse of research into the solar system. Michael J. Drake, Regents' Professor, director of the University of Arizona Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and head of the department of planetary sciences, died Wednesday at The University of Arizona Medical Center-University Campus in Tucson, Ariz. He was 65. Drake, who joined the UA planetary sciences faculty in 1973 and headed LPL and the planetary sciences department since 1994, was the principal investigator of the most ambitious UA project to date, OSIRIS-REx, an $800 million mission designed to retrieve a sample of an asteroid and return it to Earth. OSIRIS-REx is due to launch in 2016. It is the largest grant or contract the UA has ever received. Drake played a key role in a succession of ever more high-profile space projects that garnered international attention for LPL and the University. Those include the Cassini mission to explore Saturn, the Gamma-Ray Spectrometer onboard NASA's Mars Odyssey Orbiter, the HiRISE camera onboard NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and the Phoenix Mars Lander. Drake also was a Fellow of the American Geophysical Union, the Geochemical Society and the Meteoritical Society, and he was president of the latter two. A native of Bristol, England, Drake graduated with a degree in geology from Victoria University in Manchester, and then he left for a doctoral program in geology from the University of Oregon, graduating in 1972. After a postdoctoral program at the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Drake moved to, and immediately fell in love with, Arizona. As a young assistant professor, Drake joined a much smaller LPL in 1973. The lab occupied only a part of what is now the Kuiper Space Sciences Building, and most of his colleagues came from astronomy. Planetary sciences did not have the cachet then that it does now. It was, from my point of view, a strange environment, Drake wrote earlier on LPL's website. It's like the Tower of Babel; you talk in your own language and your own jargon, and communicating across fields is surprisingly difficult. It took a few years before I think most of us began to understand what motivated the other ones, what we were really saying. I think it helped us to speak in clearer, plain English and minimize the jargon, because we came from such different backgrounds. Regents' Professor Peter Strittmatter, director of the UA's Steward Observatory and head of the UA astronomy department, said Drake used those communication skills to expand LPL and form close relationships with NASA. Mike thought and spoke clearly so you always knew where he stood on an issue, Strittmatter said. He was a superb director of LPL, a great leader and a great personal friend. He will be sorely missed by all of us at the University of Arizona and especially those involved in the space sciences. Peter Smith, the principal investigator for the Phoenix Mars Lander mission, said he began working with Drake when Smith was building the camera for the 1997 Mars Pathfinder. He called Drake's handling of the complexities of proposal development masterful. We would meet monthly to review progress and plan strategy, Smith said. Mike always encouraged excellence and made sure that the University was providing full support to our programs. Over the years, as my career progressed through various missions to Mars, he was there when troubles surfaced and a political push was needed, said Smith, who is also part of the OSIRIS-REx mission. He watched our flight projects from the sidelines; his enthusiasm made it clear that he wished for a more direct involvement. After winning the project of his dreams, Mike will continue to inspire and lead through the legacy of his accomplishments. Edgar J. McCullough, retired professor and head of the UA geosciences and dean of the College of Science, said he and Drake became friends in the early 1970s when they would go on weeklong backpacking excursions around the West. When he was in planetary sciences and I was head of the geosciences department, we set up a microprobe laboratory with funding from both departments. It was the first big piece of diagnostic equipment here at a time when geoscience was becoming more of an analytical science, McCullough said. He was the kind of faculty member you wanted because he was also strong on teaching, especially undergraduates. McCullough said Drake helped develop promotion and tenure policies for the college and was instrumental in establishing a joint position between the colleges of science and education to create science education programs. Drake also led a major undergraduate teaching effort in planetary sciences, even though the department was created as a graduate
[meteorite-list] ebay restriction on international auctions of meteorites? and faster than the speed of light neutrinos!
Meg is taking over as head honcho of Hewlett-Packard. I just was notified by eBay today that as of October 1st no more mention of emails will be allowed. They don't want any off eBay transactions taking place. Also, this is pretty cool: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/22/faster-than-light-particles-neutrinos?newsfeed=true Faster than light particles found, claim scientists Particle physicists detect neutrinos travelling faster than light, a feat forbidden by Einstein's theory of special relativity a.. a.. b.. c.. reddit this b.. Comments (80) a.. Ian Sample, science correspondent b.. guardian.co.uk, Thursday 22 September 2011 18.32 EDT c.. Article history Neutrinos, like the ones above, have been detected travelling faster than light, say particle physicists. Photograph: Dan Mccoy /Corbis It is a concept that forms a cornerstone of our understanding of the universe and the concept of time - nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. But now it seems that researchers working in one of the world's largest physics laboratories, under a mountain in central Italy, have recorded particles travelling at a speed that is supposedly forbidden by Einstein's theory of special relativity. Scientists at the Gran Sasso facility will unveil evidence on Friday that raises the troubling possibility of a way to send information back in time, blurring the line between past and present and wreaking havoc with the fundamental principle of cause and effect. They will announce the result at a special seminar at Cern - the European particle physics laboratory - timed to coincide with the publication of a research paper describing the experiment. Researchers on the Opera (Oscillation Project with Emulsion-tRacking Apparatus) experiment recorded the arrival times of ghostly subatomic particles called neutrinos sent from Cern on a 730km journey through the Earth to the Gran Sasso lab. The trip would take a beam of light 2.4 milliseconds to complete, but after running the experiment for three years and timing the arrival of 15,000 neutrinos, the scientists discovered that the particles arrived at Gran Sasso sixty billionths of a second earlier, with an error margin of plus or minus 10 billionths of a second. The measurement amounts to the neutrinos travelling faster than the speed of light by a fraction of 20 parts per million. Since the speed of light is 299,792,458 metres per second, the neutrinos were evidently travelling at 299,798,454 metres per second. The result is so unlikely that even the research team is being cautious with its interpretation. Physicists said they would be sceptical of the finding until other laboratories confirmed the result. Antonio Ereditato, coordinator of the Opera collaboration, told the Guardian: We are very much astonished by this result, but a result is never a discovery until other people confirm it. When you get such a result you want to make sure you made no mistakes, that there are no nasty things going on you didn't think of. We spent months and months doing checks and we have not been able to find any errors. If there is a problem, it must be a tough, nasty effect, because trivial things we are clever enough to rule out. The Opera group said it hoped the physics community would scrutinise the result and help uncover any flaws in the measurement, or verify it with their own experiments. Subir Sarkar, head of particle theory at Oxford University, said: If this is proved to be true it would be a massive, massive event. It is something nobody was expecting. The constancy of the speed of light essentially underpins our understanding of space and time and causality, which is the fact that cause comes before effect. Cause cannot come after effect and that is absolutely fundamental to our construction of the physical universe. If we do not have causality, we are buggered. The Opera experiment detects neutrinos as they strike 150,000 bricks of photographic emulsion films interleaved with lead plates. The detector weighs a total of 1300 tonnes. Despite the marginal increase on the speed of light observed by Ereditato's team, the result is intriguing because its statistical significance, the measure by which particle physics discoveries stand and fall, is so strong. Physicists can claim a discovery if the chances of their result being a fluke of statistics are greater than five standard deviations, or less than one in a few million. The Gran Sasso team's result is six standard deviations. Ereditato said the team would not claim a discovery because the result was so radical. Whenever you touch something so fundamental, you have to be much more prudent, he said. Alan Kostelecky, an expert in the possibility of faster-than-light processes at Indiana University, said that while physicists would await confirmation of the result, it was none the less exciting. It's such a dramatic
Re: [meteorite-list] ebay restriction on international auctions of meteorites? and faster than the speed of light neutrinos!
Ok, Folks, If there is anything to this story, then everything we ever knew about Physics will now go out the window. You gotta love it Cutting edge!! I love a good physics problem. Right up my alley. I'm a BSEE so this will directly impact electricity and electronics. I wonder how much effect this will impact meteorite age determiniation and travel time from creation till they landed here on good ol earth. If a particle can travel faster than light, what happens to a group of particles? And these are just the first two questions!! Pete IMCA 1733 Original Message Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay restriction on international auctions of meteorites? and faster than the speed of light neutrinos! From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Date: Thu, September 22, 2011 7:29 pm To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Meg is taking over as head honcho of Hewlett-Packard. I just was notified by eBay today that as of October 1st no more mention of emails will be allowed. They don't want any off eBay transactions taking place. Also, this is pretty cool: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/22/faster-than-light-particles-neutrinos?newsfeed=true Faster than light particles found, claim scientists Particle physicists detect neutrinos travelling faster than light, a feat forbidden by Einstein's theory of special relativity a.. a.. b.. c.. reddit this b.. Comments (80) a.. Ian Sample, science correspondent b.. guardian.co.uk, Thursday 22 September 2011 18.32 EDT c.. Article history Neutrinos, like the ones above, have been detected travelling faster than light, say particle physicists. Photograph: Dan Mccoy /Corbis It is a concept that forms a cornerstone of our understanding of the universe and the concept of time - nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. But now it seems that researchers working in one of the world's largest physics laboratories, under a mountain in central Italy, have recorded particles travelling at a speed that is supposedly forbidden by Einstein's theory of special relativity. Scientists at the Gran Sasso facility will unveil evidence on Friday that raises the troubling possibility of a way to send information back in time, blurring the line between past and present and wreaking havoc with the fundamental principle of cause and effect. They will announce the result at a special seminar at Cern - the European particle physics laboratory - timed to coincide with the publication of a research paper describing the experiment. Researchers on the Opera (Oscillation Project with Emulsion-tRacking Apparatus) experiment recorded the arrival times of ghostly subatomic particles called neutrinos sent from Cern on a 730km journey through the Earth to the Gran Sasso lab. The trip would take a beam of light 2.4 milliseconds to complete, but after running the experiment for three years and timing the arrival of 15,000 neutrinos, the scientists discovered that the particles arrived at Gran Sasso sixty billionths of a second earlier, with an error margin of plus or minus 10 billionths of a second. The measurement amounts to the neutrinos travelling faster than the speed of light by a fraction of 20 parts per million. Since the speed of light is 299,792,458 metres per second, the neutrinos were evidently travelling at 299,798,454 metres per second. The result is so unlikely that even the research team is being cautious with its interpretation. Physicists said they would be sceptical of the finding until other laboratories confirmed the result. Antonio Ereditato, coordinator of the Opera collaboration, told the Guardian: We are very much astonished by this result, but a result is never a discovery until other people confirm it. When you get such a result you want to make sure you made no mistakes, that there are no nasty things going on you didn't think of. We spent months and months doing checks and we have not been able to find any errors. If there is a problem, it must be a tough, nasty effect, because trivial things we are clever enough to rule out. The Opera group said it hoped the physics community would scrutinise the result and help uncover any flaws in the measurement, or verify it with their own experiments. Subir Sarkar, head of particle theory at Oxford University, said: If this is proved to be true it would be a massive, massive event. It is something nobody was expecting. The constancy of the speed of light essentially underpins our understanding of space and time and causality, which is the fact that cause comes before effect. Cause cannot come after effect and that is absolutely fundamental to our construction of the physical universe. If we do not have causality, we are buggered. The Opera experiment detects neutrinos as they strike 150,000 bricks of photographic emulsion
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Looks like the last haven is to have a clickable link to your site which does not have items for sale on it. At least your email can be on there for the moment. Alternately a phone number isn't explicitly prohibited. Nor telling them to google your ebay user name or something unique that will find what a great guy you are (like a beer club membership number) if there is good reason you want someone to find you without having to conform to the new sheepdog herding policy... -Original Message- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:29 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay restriction on international auctions of meteorites? and faster than the speed of light neutrinos! Meg is taking over as head honcho of Hewlett-Packard. I just was notified by eBay today that as of October 1st no more mention of emails will be allowed. They don't want any off eBay transactions taking place. Also, this is pretty cool: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/22/faster-than-light-particles-neutrinos?newsfeed=true Faster than light particles found, claim scientists Particle physicists detect neutrinos travelling faster than light, a feat forbidden by Einstein's theory of special relativity a.. a.. b.. c.. reddit this b.. Comments (80) a.. Ian Sample, science correspondent b.. guardian.co.uk, Thursday 22 September 2011 18.32 EDT c.. Article history Neutrinos, like the ones above, have been detected travelling faster than light, say particle physicists. Photograph: Dan Mccoy /Corbis It is a concept that forms a cornerstone of our understanding of the universe and the concept of time - nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. But now it seems that researchers working in one of the world's largest physics laboratories, under a mountain in central Italy, have recorded particles travelling at a speed that is supposedly forbidden by Einstein's theory of special relativity. Scientists at the Gran Sasso facility will unveil evidence on Friday that raises the troubling possibility of a way to send information back in time, blurring the line between past and present and wreaking havoc with the fundamental principle of cause and effect. They will announce the result at a special seminar at Cern - the European particle physics laboratory - timed to coincide with the publication of a research paper describing the experiment. Researchers on the Opera (Oscillation Project with Emulsion-tRacking Apparatus) experiment recorded the arrival times of ghostly subatomic particles called neutrinos sent from Cern on a 730km journey through the Earth to the Gran Sasso lab. The trip would take a beam of light 2.4 milliseconds to complete, but after running the experiment for three years and timing the arrival of 15,000 neutrinos, the scientists discovered that the particles arrived at Gran Sasso sixty billionths of a second earlier, with an error margin of plus or minus 10 billionths of a second. The measurement amounts to the neutrinos travelling faster than the speed of light by a fraction of 20 parts per million. Since the speed of light is 299,792,458 metres per second, the neutrinos were evidently travelling at 299,798,454 metres per second. The result is so unlikely that even the research team is being cautious with its interpretation. Physicists said they would be sceptical of the finding until other laboratories confirmed the result. Antonio Ereditato, coordinator of the Opera collaboration, told the Guardian: We are very much astonished by this result, but a result is never a discovery until other people confirm it. When you get such a result you want to make sure you made no mistakes, that there are no nasty things going on you didn't think of. We spent months and months doing checks and we have not been able to find any errors. If there is a problem, it must be a tough, nasty effect, because trivial things we are clever enough to rule out. The Opera group said it hoped the physics community would scrutinise the result and help uncover any flaws in the measurement, or verify it with their own experiments. Subir Sarkar, head of particle theory at Oxford University, said: If this is proved to be true it would be a massive, massive event. It is something nobody was expecting. The constancy of the speed of light essentially underpins our understanding of space and time and causality, which is the fact that cause comes before effect. Cause cannot come after effect and that is absolutely fundamental to our construction of the physical universe. If we do not have causality, we are buggered. The Opera experiment detects neutrinos as they strike 150,000 bricks of photographic emulsion films interleaved with lead plates. The detector weighs a total of 1300 tonnes. Despite the marginal increase on the speed of light observed by Ereditato's team,
