[meteorite-list] Sell some of my meteorites - some very rare

2011-11-24 Thread a.grueneme...@t-online.de
Hello,


I want to tell you that I would like to sell some of my double meteorites.


I offer you the following pieces for sale, please look at the pictures:

Carancas 1.4g (US $80) 
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/49/1152249/3930663935356233.jpg

DaG 735 (Sherg) 20mg (US $12) 
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/49/1152249/6337346339626634.jpg

Dhofar 018 (HOW) slice 5.4g (US $149) 
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/49/1152249/3631663937656138.jpg

Hainholz / Germany 0.85g (US $215) 
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/49/1152249/6162386635386161.jpg

Mifflin part slice / crust 0.7g (US $59) 
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/49/1152249/3763393432363930.jpg

NWA 1195 (Sherg) 18mg (US $12) 
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/49/1152249/3061643666353035.jpg

NWA 3118 slice 3.8g (US $16) 
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/49/1152249/3766346431633262.jpg

Shalka 95mg (Dio) (US $33) 
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/49/1152249/3264653139333865.jpg

Tamdakht with nice crust 3.1g (US $15) 
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/49/1152249/3635323835343266.jpg

Tatahouine 0.9g (Dio) (US $19) 
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/49/1152249/3336626431313039.jpg

If you are interested in one or more pieces, please send me an email.

Thank you and best wishes;

Andreas Grünemeyer
IMCA#1886
















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Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries

2011-11-24 Thread Martin Altmann
Hi Doug,

As far as I know, the couch was auctioned off - brought only a couple of
hundred dollars (cause da Captain was sleeping).

Btw. if talking about export laws we have urgently to clarify those of New
Zealand,
as in past I saw that even IMCA board members had commended the
SchmittMcEwans paper (The law of ownership and control of meteorites,
2001) as authoritative here on the list.

The information given there for New Zealand is (like for so many other
countries there) incorrect.

OTHER than there falsely claimed, meteorites are NOT classified in the
Antiquities Act of 1975 (and 1990) as antiquity.

EXPLICITELY the act gives, that meteorites belong into the category of
natural objects and not to the antiques.

And more important, other than you have it in that Schmitt/McEwans paper,
not all meteorites in general need an export permit, but only those, so it's
given in the 1975/1990-Act - those related to New Zealand.
(i.e. New Zealand falls and finds).

I thought that to be important to mention,
not that collectors are worried, that those meteorites Dean was shipping out
of New Zealand would have needed a permit or that he would have acted
illegally.


The Schmitt/McEwans paper contains so many mistakes and wrong information -
the disadvantage of non-peer-reviewed publications - that it can't be used
in scientific publications,
and I would ask therefore the list members not to refer to it any longer,
neither to quote it
- but rather in case, to look up the laws in case by themselves.

Best!
Martin
 


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two centuries

And what happened of the one that fell in New Zealand?


Perhaps no export permit was applied for or approved given so it may 
still be pending classification.  Who classifies meteorites in NZ, 
didn't Dean have a service arrangement with a local University?

Kindest wishes
Doug



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meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the 
last two centuries


Thank you Phil for this list.
And thank you to all of you who told me about typos and other errors, 
and
I'll fix those ASAP. But now I have a question:
Phil's list includes this Fall:  Ellerslie, June 6 2004 in Auckland, 
New
Zealand, and I remember Joel Schiff writing about it. However in the 
Met.
Bulletin, Ellerslie is listed as an L5 found in Queensland, Australia, 
in 1905.
And the only Fall listed for New Zealand is Mokoia.
So... an error???
2 Ellerslie?
And what happened of the one that fell in New Zealand?
Anyone knows
Thanks.

Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
_IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com)
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)


In a message dated 11/22/2011 10:10:42 PM Mountain Standard Time,
joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com writes:
2004 06 12Ellerslie, suburban1.3-kg (2.8-lb) 7-cm x 13-cm
[19]
Auckland, N.Z. meteorite broke through roof of
house and bounced off sofa


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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

2011-11-24 Thread valparint
NWA 4859

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
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Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries

2011-11-24 Thread Martin Altmann
Little addendum,

And what happened of the one that fell in New Zealand?
Anyone knows

the Ellerslie stone was purchased by the Auckland War Memorial Museum
at then approx. 30,000USD.

http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/55/recent-acquisitions

And there it still is,
so maybe someone could ask the curator of the Nat.Hist.Section there,
why Ellerslie hasn't made it yet into the Bulletin.

Best!
Martin


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Re: [meteorite-list] Taza (was: Hammer hammers!)

2011-11-24 Thread Graham Ensor
Great to see the alamat stonesI had forgotten about that account
on Svend's site...wonderful story.

Here is a picture of one of the Eskimo lances using Cape York iron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Meteorite_iron_harpoon.jpg

Graham

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 2:17 AM, Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de wrote:

 Dear Graham,

 of course the tools made of Cape York or Toluca iron are legendary - but
 I've never seen even a pic.

 There's a report of an ancient Mesopotamian iron meteorite which was used
 for making very small tools - I remember a photo, but I've to look for it
 (it's now in a British museum).

 Of course you know the famous dagger, discovered in Tut anch Amun's grave,
 made of meteoritical matter.

 I also remember the report of a friend who travelled through South Africa
 and Namibia and found some chariots with bolts and screws made of Gibeon
 iron.

 Well, and here some details regarding the 2 alamat stones in the Dhofar
 region:

 http://www.niger-meteorite-recon.de/en/meteorites_of_the_desert_5.htm
 and
 http://www.niger-meteorite-recon.de/en/meteorites_of_the_desert_6.htm

 They've been discovered on Svend's Dhofar expedition. The 3.2 kg stone is in
 my collection, the bigger one in Svend's.

 My very best,
 Matthias









 - Original Message - From: Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com
 To: impact...@aol.com
 Cc: majbaerm...@web.de; bernd.pa...@paulinet.de;
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Taza (was: Hammer hammers!)


 Yes...I know of those but was interested in any ancient ones that were
 in any of the list members collections (what happened to the signpost
 meteorite)anyone got an artefact made from the Cape York meteorite
 for example. More interested in historical ones.

 On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:12 AM,  impact...@aol.com wrote:

 Well, Graham,

 Now that you have the hammer, you should try to get the anvil.
 If the Smithsonian will let you have the Tucson Ring! ;-)

 Anne M. Black
 _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
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 In a message dated 11/23/2011 5:55:03 PM Mountain Standard Time,
 graham.en...@gmail.com writes:
 Thanks Matthias,

 Would be interesting to see any other meteorites out there that are
 also artefacts/used as tools etc.anyone else got photos to share?

 Graham

 On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de
 wrote:

 Well, Graham, it's a breathtaking iron also without scalp ...

 Congratulations!
 Matthias

 - Original Message - From: Graham Ensor
 graham.en...@gmail.com
 To: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 1:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Taza (was: Hammer hammers!)


 Svend has had some of the most spectacular meteorites in his
 collection as his website illustrates

 It made my Ensisheim trip rather expensive that year but I was glad to
 give it a good home.would be great to find some way of testing
 when it was actually used as a hammerI think Sven suggested trying
 to look for some organic matter trapped in the many layers of
 overturned burrs formed on the tip that was the hammer head and have
 that datedbut that would probably involve cutting into it and I
 would never want to do that.

 Cheers,

 Graham




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[meteorite-list] HAPPY THANKSGIVING and Thanks...

2011-11-24 Thread michael cottingham
Hello,

Happy Thanks Giving To All 

and Thanks to all who participated in my sale...very successful and appreciated.

Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham
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[meteorite-list] MOON TURKEY

2011-11-24 Thread Shawn Alan
Hello Listers,

ENJOY http://flic.kr/p/aK9EsM

Shawn Alan 
IMCA 1633 
eBay story 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html   
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[meteorite-list] Many Thanks

2011-11-24 Thread John Lutzon

Everyone,

This day, i want to thank all that have advised, helped and guided me and 
others. And, thanks to the List hosters.


Have a great day !!!

John Lutzon 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries

2011-11-24 Thread MexicoDoug
not all meteorites in general need an export permit, but only those, 
so it's given in the 1975/1990-Act - those related to New Zealand.

(i.e. New Zealand falls and finds).

Hi Martin,

Of course it would only strictly apply to the country's own meteorites! 
 Not necessary to clarify, given for example all the meteorites bought 
and sold on eBay from Canada, Australia, etc.!


But what's this about New Zealand laws, wasn't NZ just an Australian 
sheep farm?  Oops, I just pissed off three people and twenty million 
sheeps.


Kindest wsihes
Doug

It's a joke - I know New Zealand is a country somewhere in the middle 
of some isolated ocean far far away ;-)  And for that reason must be 
one heaven on earth since it is mostly unspoilt, becasue people like us 
haven't been able to get there yet.



-Original Message-
From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de
To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:45 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the 
last two centuries



Hi Doug,

As far as I know, the couch was auctioned off - brought only a couple of
hundred dollars (cause da Captain was sleeping).

Btw. if talking about export laws we have urgently to clarify those of 
New

Zealand,
as in past I saw that even IMCA board members had commended the
SchmittMcEwans paper (The law of ownership and control of meteorites,
2001) as authoritative here on the list.

The information given there for New Zealand is (like for so many other
countries there) incorrect.

OTHER than there falsely claimed, meteorites are NOT classified in the
Antiquities Act of 1975 (and 1990) as antiquity.

EXPLICITELY the act gives, that meteorites belong into the category of
natural objects and not to the antiques.

And more important, other than you have it in that Schmitt/McEwans 
paper,
not all meteorites in general need an export permit, but only those, so 
it's

given in the 1975/1990-Act - those related to New Zealand.
(i.e. New Zealand falls and finds).

I thought that to be important to mention,
not that collectors are worried, that those meteorites Dean was 
shipping out

of New Zealand would have needed a permit or that he would have acted
illegally.


The Schmitt/McEwans paper contains so many mistakes and wrong 
information -
the disadvantage of non-peer-reviewed publications - that it can't be 
used

in scientific publications,
and I would ask therefore the list members not to refer to it any 
longer,

neither to quote it
- but rather in case, to look up the laws in case by themselves.

Best!
Martin



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
MexicoDoug
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. November 2011 03:30
An: impact...@aol.com; joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com;
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the 
last

two centuries

And what happened of the one that fell in New Zealand?


Perhaps no export permit was applied for or approved given so it may
still be pending classification.  Who classifies meteorites in NZ,
didn't Dean have a service arrangement with a local University?

Kindest wishes
Doug



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To: joshuatreemuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the
last two centuries


Thank you Phil for this list.
And thank you to all of you who told me about typos and other errors,
and
I'll fix those ASAP. But now I have a question:
Phil's list includes this Fall:  Ellerslie, June 6 2004 in Auckland,
New
Zealand, and I remember Joel Schiff writing about it. However in the
Met.
Bulletin, Ellerslie is listed as an L5 found in Queensland, Australia,
in 1905.
And the only Fall listed for New Zealand is Mokoia.
So... an error???
2 Ellerslie?
And what happened of the one that fell in New Zealand?
Anyone knows
Thanks.

Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
_IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com)
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)


In a message dated 11/22/2011 10:10:42 PM Mountain Standard Time,
joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com writes:
2004 06 12Ellerslie, suburban1.3-kg (2.8-lb) 7-cm x 13-cm
[19]
Auckland, N.Z. meteorite broke through roof of
house and bounced off sofa


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[meteorite-list] Turkeys, Americans and Meteorite Hunters

2011-11-24 Thread MexicoDoug

Dear List,

On this special festive day when Americans speak of giving thanks, I 
though I'd stir up and honor the turkey-pot with a quote about the the 
difference between your typical eagle-like meteorite hunter and 
hard-working meteorite finding turkey (I was tempted to make a few 
modifications to the quote to fit this, but didn't wish to defile the 
writings), written by none other than Ben Franklin, the father of 
meteoritics, who understond the cosmic origin of meteors while, with 
all due respect, Herr Chladni just stopped pooping in his diapers.


Note: dindon is an obsolete term for a Tom Turkey, from the French Coq 
de Inde == d'Inde + male (on) == dindon (male turkey).


Ben, while discussing the absurdity of titles of nobility, gave some 
insight on hawkish objections that the newly minted American symbol, 
the Bald Eagle, thought too look too much like a turkey, in a letter to 
his daughter I believe from Passy, France on January 16, 1784.  Yes, 
that's Passy.  Near Switzerland and Italy...



Others object to the bald eagle, as looking too much like a dindon or 
turkey.  For my own part, I wish the bald eagle had not been chosen as 
the representative of our country; he is a bird of bad moral character: 
he does not get his living honestly; you may have seen him perched on 
some dead tree, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the 
labor of the fishing-hawk; and when that diligent bird has at length 
taken a fish, and is bearing it to his nest for the support of his mate 
and young ones, the bald eagle pursues him, and takes it from him.  
With all this injustice he is never in good case, but like those among 
men who live by sharping and robbing, and often very lousy.  Besides, 
he is a rank coward: the little king-bird, not bigger than a sparrow, 
attacks him boldly and drives him out of his district.  He is therefore 
by no means a proper emblem for the brave and honest Cincinnati of 
America, who have driven all the king-birds from our country; though 
exactly fit for that order of knights which the French call chevaliers 
d'industrie.  I am on this account not displeased that the figure is 
not known as a bald eagle, but looks more like a turkey.  For in truth, 
the turkey is in comparison a much more respectable bird, and withal a 
true original native of America.  Eagles have been found in all 
countries, but the turkey was peculiar to ours; the first of the 
species seen in Europe, being brought to France by the Jesuits from 
Canada, and served up at the wedding table of Charles the Ninth.  He is 
besides, (though a little vain and silly 'tis true, but not the worse 
emblem for that) a bird of courage, and would not hesitate to attack a 
grenadier of the British guards, who should presume to invade his 
farm-yard with a red coat on.


Kindest wishes
Doug

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Re: [meteorite-list] Turkeys, Americans and Meteorite Hunters

2011-11-24 Thread MexicoDoug
Hmmm ... wrong Passy, France, my mistake.  Ben's Passy, France was at 
that time (1784) a village outside of Paris, where nearby in the Bois 
de Boulogne, he not only worked on his ideas in meteorology in a lab on 
invitation of Louis XV, but also published a treatise on his Passy 
Press he built, in a special font he developed (which is different to 
the Franklin font in MS Word) on the forming of a European Union 
similar to the American Union, authored by Pierre-André Gargaz.


Kindest wishes
Doug


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Sent: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:42 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Turkeys, Americans and Meteorite Hunters


Dear List,

On this special festive day when Americans speak of giving thanks, I
though I'd stir up and honor the turkey-pot with a quote about the the
difference between your typical eagle-like meteorite hunter and
hard-working meteorite finding turkey (I was tempted to make a few
modifications to the quote to fit this, but didn't wish to defile the
writings), written by none other than Ben Franklin, the father of
meteoritics, who understond the cosmic origin of meteors while, with
all due respect, Herr Chladni just stopped pooping in his diapers.

Note: dindon is an obsolete term for a Tom Turkey, from the French Coq
de Inde == d'Inde + male (on) == dindon (male turkey).

Ben, while discussing the absurdity of titles of nobility, gave some
insight on hawkish objections that the newly minted American symbol,
the Bald Eagle, thought too look too much like a turkey, in a letter to
his daughter I believe from Passy, France on January 16, 1784.  Yes,
that's Passy.  Near Switzerland and Italy...


Others object to the bald eagle, as looking too much like a dindon or
turkey.  For my own part, I wish the bald eagle had not been chosen as
the representative of our country; he is a bird of bad moral character:
he does not get his living honestly; you may have seen him perched on
some dead tree, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the
labor of the fishing-hawk; and when that diligent bird has at length
taken a fish, and is bearing it to his nest for the support of his mate
and young ones, the bald eagle pursues him, and takes it from him.
With all this injustice he is never in good case, but like those among
men who live by sharping and robbing, and often very lousy.  Besides,
he is a rank coward: the little king-bird, not bigger than a sparrow,
attacks him boldly and drives him out of his district.  He is therefore
by no means a proper emblem for the brave and honest Cincinnati of
America, who have driven all the king-birds from our country; though
exactly fit for that order of knights which the French call chevaliers
d'industrie.  I am on this account not displeased that the figure is
not known as a bald eagle, but looks more like a turkey.  For in truth,
the turkey is in comparison a much more respectable bird, and withal a
true original native of America.  Eagles have been found in all
countries, but the turkey was peculiar to ours; the first of the
species seen in Europe, being brought to France by the Jesuits from
Canada, and served up at the wedding table of Charles the Ninth.  He is
besides, (though a little vain and silly 'tis true, but not the worse
emblem for that) a bird of courage, and would not hesitate to attack a
grenadier of the British guards, who should presume to invade his
farm-yard with a red coat on.

Kindest wishes
Doug

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[meteorite-list] AD: .99 Cent Auctions Ending Soon

2011-11-24 Thread Ruben Garcia
Hi all,

Here are a few auctions for you to peruse, as you await the Black
Friday mayhem about to ensue.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/mr-meteorite/m.html?item=220898404687sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649_trksid=p4340.l2562

A few of the listings below:
Seldom Seen CLEO SPRINGS METEORITE H4 with Crust - From Oklahoma
SAU 001 Meteorite Slice with crust - CHONDRULES!
Seldom Seen QUERETARO METEORITE H4 - From Mexico
RARE EH3 SAHARA 97105 METEORITE with Crust
24 gram SAHARA 99302 METEORITE - Shocked L6 Chondrite
17.8 gram MUONIONALUSTA IRON METEORITE ** ETCHED **
12.3 gram SAHARA 97094 METEORITE SLICE!
Fantastic 48.7 gram SEYMCHAN PALLASITE METEORITE
NICE 2.8 gram NANTAN METEORITE - Chrome Color!
2.7 grams RARE CV3 Meteorite 2 Fragments - NWA 4502 CARBONACEOUS
Nice 1.2 gram ZAG METEORITE slice!
Polished RARE ATAXITE SLICE - 10 gram CHINGA Meteorite
11 grams Holbrook Meteorite Fragments - Many with crust...
57 gram SEYMCHAN PALLASITE METEORITE - 1/2  1/2 Transition slice! LAST ONE!
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[meteorite-list] ESA Stations Keeps Contact With Russian Mars Phobos-Grunt

2011-11-24 Thread Ron Baalke

http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEM5AJZW5VG_index_0.html

ESA station keeps contact with Russian Mars mission Phobos-Grunt
European Space Agency
24 November 2011

Following the first successful contact on Tuesday, ESA's tracking station in
Australia again established two-way communication with Russia's Phobos-Grunt
spacecraft on 23 November. The data received from the spacecraft have been
sent to the Russian mission control centre for analysis.
 
ESA's 15 m-diameter antenna at Perth, Australia, was again used to contact
Russia's Phobos-Grunt spacecraft during the night of 23-24 November, with a
total of five communication passes available between 20:19 and 04:08 GMT.

Teams working at the Perth station and at ESA's Space Operations Centre,
Darmstadt, Germany, were delighted to see a clear signal during the first of
the passes.

Telemetry received via Perth station
 
The first pass was successful in that the spacecraft's radio downlink was
commanded to switch on and telemetry was received, said Wolfgang Hell,
ESA's Service Manager for Phobos-Grunt.

Telemetry typically includes information on the status and health of a
spacecraft's systems.

The signals received from Phobos-Grunt were much stronger than those
initially received on 22 November, in part due to having better knowledge of
the spacecraft's orbital position.

The second pass was short, and so was used only to uplink commands -- no
receipt of signal was expected.

However, the following three passes in the early morning of 24 November
proved to be more difficult: no signal was received from Phobos-Grunt.

ESA engineers assist Russian mission controllers
 
Working with Russian mission controllers, ESA engineers are carefully
studying the situation, which may be related to the spacecraft's
communication system. During last night's first two passes, one of the two
low-gain antennas on Phobos-Grunt was, due to the spacecraft's orbital
position, oriented toward Perth, and communications worked.

During the three later passes, the spacecraft's orbital position changed,
and the second, opposing, antenna had to be used -- but no signal was
received.

Our Russian colleagues will use this result for troubleshooting and to plan
their commands for us to send tonight, says Manfred Warhaut, ESAs Head of
Mission Operations.

Communication support continues tonight
 
ESA engineers will work today to provide advice and assistance on possible
communication strategies to consolidate the contact now established with the
mission.

Another five communication slots are available during the night of 24-25
November, and the Perth tracking station will again be allocated on a
priority basis to Phobos-Grunt.

More news will follow as the situation develops.

[NOTE: Images and weblinks supporting this release are available at
http://www.esa.int/export/esaCP/SEM5AJZW5VG_index_1.html ]

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[meteorite-list] Dark days of the Triassic: Extraterrestrial Impact or Volcanic Eruption?

2011-11-24 Thread Paul H.
An online article in the new issue of Nature discusses 
whether either an extraterrestrial impact or volcanic
eruption caused mass extinctions at the end of the 
Triasssic about 200 million years ago. The article is:

Smith, Roff, 2011, Dark days of the Triassic: Lost world. 
Nature. vol. 479, pp. 287-289. DOI: doi:10.1038/479287a 
http://www.nature.com/news/dark-days-of-the-triassic-lost-world-1.9375  

Did a giant impact 200 million years ago trigger a 
mass extinction and pave the way for the dinosaurs?

Free pdf version of the article at:
http://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/1.9375!/import/pdf/479287a.pdf

Yours,

Paul H.
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