[meteorite-list] So do we have bits of Vesta in our collections or not?
Hello Listers I wonder if it will take a Vesta Pathfinder to probe the surface like how the Mars Pathfinder did to determ if the HED meteorite are from Vesta? Or maybe it is not Vesta, but Ceres that is the parent body? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay story http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html meteorite-list] So do we have bits of Vesta in our collections or not?almitt2 at localnet.com almitt2 at localnet.com Fri Dec 2 01:44:25 EST 2011 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] So do we have bits of Vesta in our collections or not? * Next message: [meteorite-list] Asteroids, Mars and Drought Among NASA News Highlights at AGU Meeting * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Greetings, Interesting. Perhaps we don't have Vestoid material but rather we have the impactor material instead. Best! --AL Mitterling Quoting Graham Ensor graham.ensor at gmail.com: All has been very quiet on the Dawn front...should be interesting when all the data is put togetherseems there are still doubts! http://www.open.ac.uk/blogs/meteorite/?p=876 Graham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list * Previous message: [meteorite-list] So do we have bits of Vesta in our collections or not? * Next message: [meteorite-list] Asteroids, Mars and Drought Among NASA News Highlights at AGU Meeting * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
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[meteorite-list] Who to contact if an impact crater has been found?
Hi all, I sent this email to the list yesterday morning, but I have not seen it come through yet, so Im sending it again. Someone contacted me about finding a meteorite impact crater and wants to know who to contact to get it verified and then get credited for his find. He didnt say if he found any meteorites around/in it. Any ideas of who he should contact? He said its in Colorado. Thanks, Bob L __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who to contact if an impact crater has been found?
He could let me know, and I could take it to the Denver Museum of Nature and Science (I'm a research associate there). Or, he could go there directly. Or, he could simply put out the coordinates on this list, for everybody to have a look at. Since the odds are very much against it being an impact crater, that would provide a good filter. In any of those cases, he'd be credited with the find if it turned out to be genuine. If this is a small impact with the possibility of intact meteorites (again, very unlikely), and he wants to keep it secret, he ought to be able to get one of the active southwest meteorite hunters to visit with him and see if there's anything to be found, before making things more public. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 12/2/2011 8:17 AM, Bob Loeffler wrote: Hi all, I sent this email to the list yesterday morning, but I have not seen it come through yet, so I’m sending it again. Someone contacted me about finding a meteorite impact crater and wants to know who to contact to get it verified and then get credited for his find. He didn’t say if he found any meteorites around/in it. Any ideas of who he should contact? He said it’s in Colorado. Thanks, Bob L __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NC/SC Bright Green Meteor
Dear List, Just posted: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/12/north-carolina-south-carolina-bright.html Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo http://thelatestworldwidemeteorreports.blogspot.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MSL Postpones Adjusting Course
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/atlas/av028/111201noburn.html Mars Science Laboratory postpones adjusting course BY JUSTIN RAY SPACEFLIGHT NOW December 1, 2011 The first scheduled opportunity for the Mars Science Laboratory to tweak its trajectory on the interplanetary cruise from Earth to the red planet won't be needed for awhile, flight controllers announced Thursday. The car-sized rover, packed inside the protective descent capsule, was successfully blasted off from Cape Canaveral last Saturday atop the powerful United Launch Alliance Atlas 5 rocket at 10:02 a.m. EST (1502 GMT). Following a pair of firings, the cryogenic Centaur upper stage released the spacecraft on the Mars-bound flight path 44 minutes after launch. Officials at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., had been preparing for a possible course-correction maneuver 15 days after launch. But navigators have determined the trajectory is spot-on and needs no refinement right now. This was among the most accurate interplanetary injections ever, said Louis D'Amario, mission design and navigation manager for Mars Science Lab. Engineers tentatively plan to execute a maneuver in late December or early January to begin the process of steering the spacecraft toward Mars. A burn in early June will start eyeing the precise landing site. As with any planetary launch, the rocket actually aims off-center from the target. In this case, the Atlas put Mars Science Lab on a track to miss Mars by 38,000 miles to ensure the Centaur upper stage that is following the spacecraft won't hit the planet. The rocket motor wasn't subjected to the thorough cleaning to prevent Earth's microbes from contaminating Mars, thus the deliberate effort to prevent an impact. The pre-planned trajectory for this mission included 6 correction maneuvers that would use 8 thrusters located on the donut-shaped cruise ring atop the spacecraft. The last could occur as late as 9 hours before landing to fix any errors prior to entry into the Martian atmosphere. The $2.5 billion mission is headed for a late-night landing (California time) August 5 between 10 and 10:30 p.m. PDT (1 and 1:30 a.m. EDT Aug. 6) in Gale Crater. Meanwhile, controllers reported that the spacecraft experienced a computer reset Tuesday because of star-identifying software in the attitude control system. The glitch resulted in the craft briefly entering a precautionary safe mode. Engineers restored it to normal operational status for functions other than attitude control while planning resumption of star-guided attitude control, NASA said in a statement. Also on Tuesday, the onboard thrusters were fired to reduce the craft's rotation rate from 2.5 rotations per minute to 2.05 rotations per minute for the cruise. By mid-day Friday, the spacecraft will have traveled 10.8 million miles of its 352-million-mile trek to Mars, moving at 7,500 mph relative to Earth and at 73,800 mph relative to the sun. Mars Science Lab is communicating with Earth at a downlink rate of 25 kilobits per second. Electrical output from the cruise ring's solar arrays is 800 watts. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cannon Falls Man Discovers Meteorite, Again
CF man discovers meteorite, again by Ken Haggerty Skunk Hollow resident Larry Plucker is a fairly down-to-earth guy, except for maybe once every fifty years or so when he has what could be called cosmic experiences. Plucker, who runs an appliance repair business, grew up on a farm near Emery, South Dakota. When he was just a kid, back in 1962, he pulled a somewhat different looking rock out of a rock pile on the farm. The curious young kid did some encyclopedia research and suspected he had discovered a meteorite. He saw an article on meteorites in the farming magazine The Furrow and, as suggested in the article, sent a sample of the rock to the American Meteorite Laboratory in Denver, where it was confirmed a meteorite. The Lab, which was aggressively researching meteorites as the U.S. was in the early years of the space program, bought his 36 pound rock for nearly $200. (A meteorite is a natural object originating in outer space that survives impact with the Earth's surface. When a meteoroid enters the atmosphere, the body heats up and emits light, thus forming a fireball, also known as a meteor or shooting/falling star. There are about 40,000 documented meteorite finds in the world.) Fast forward almost half a century. It's late-October, 2011, when Plucker, his wife and son are on vacation in Washington, D.C. doing all the touristy monument and museum visits. During a stop at the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History, Plucker was walking through an exhibit on various geological finds when he said to his wife I wonder whatever happened to the meteorite I found. Plucker said they turned a corner and moments later he noticed a glassed-in display of meteorites, including one named Emery that was discovered in South Dakota, 1962. The meteorite he had found as a kid was on display at the Smithsonian! It turns out his meteorite is a type called a mesosiderite, and is a mix of stone, iron and nickel and is one of the more rare meteorites. Plucker says only about one percent of the found meteorites are of this type. Plucker grabbed a few pictures of his second chance occurrence with this cosmic rock for posterity and smiled about the probability and odds of finding that meteorite not once, but twice. Since he was a kid, Plucker has kept a sliver of the meteorite, which he carries with him in his wallet for good luck. As Plucker jokes, You know what they say: 'Catch a falling star and put in your pocket!' http://www.cannonfalls.com/main.asp?SectionID=1SubSectionID=1ArticleID=21039 Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Scientists Make Key Discovery About the Atmosphere of Early Earth
http://news.rpi.edu/update.do?artcenterkey=2953setappvar=page%281%29 Setting the Stage for Life: Scientists Make Key Discovery About the Atmosphere of Early Earth Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute News Release November 30, 2011 Scientists in the New York Center for Astrobiology at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute have used the oldest minerals on Earth to reconstruct the atmospheric conditions present on Earth very soon after its birth. The findings, which appear in the Dec. 1 edition of the journal Nature, are the first direct evidence of what the ancient atmosphere of the planet was like soon after its formation and directly challenge years of research on the type of atmosphere out of which life arose on the planet. The scientists show that the atmosphere of Earth just 500 million years after its creation was not a methane-filled wasteland as previously proposed, but instead was much closer to the conditions of our current atmosphere. The findings, in a paper titled The oxidation state of Hadean magmas and implications for early Earth's atmosphere, have implications for our understanding of how and when life began on this planet and could begin elsewhere in the universe. The research was funded by NASA. For decades, scientists believed that the atmosphere of early Earth was highly reduced, meaning that oxygen was greatly limited. Such oxygen-poor conditions would have resulted in an atmosphere filled with noxious methane, carbon monoxide, hydrogen sulfide, and ammonia. To date, there remain widely held theories and studies of how life on Earth may have been built out of this deadly atmosphere cocktail. Now, scientists at Rensselaer are turning these atmospheric assumptions on their heads with findings that prove the conditions on early Earth were simply not conducive to the formation of this type of atmosphere, but rather to an atmosphere dominated by the more oxygen-rich compounds found within our current atmosphere - including water, carbon dioxide, and sulfur dioxide. We can now say with some certainty that many scientists studying the origins of life on Earth simply picked the wrong atmosphere, said Bruce Watson, Institute Professor of Science at Rensselaer. The findings rest on the widely held theory that Earth's atmosphere was formed by gases released from volcanic activity on its surface. Today, as during the earliest days of the Earth, magma flowing from deep in the Earth contains dissolved gases. When that magma nears the surface, those gases are released into the surrounding air. Most scientists would argue that this outgassing from magma was the main input to the atmosphere, Watson said. To understand the nature of the atmosphere 'in the beginning,' we needed to determine what gas species were in the magmas supplying the atmosphere. As magma approaches the Earth's surface, it either erupts or stalls in the crust, where it interacts with surrounding rocks, cools, and crystallizes into solid rock. These frozen magmas and the elements they contain can be literal milestones in the history of Earth. One important milestone is zircon. Unlike other materials that are destroyed over time by erosion and subduction, certain zircons are nearly as old as the Earth itself. As such, zircons can literally tell the entire history of the planet - if you know the right questions to ask. The scientists sought to determine the oxidation levels of the magmas that formed these ancient zircons to quantify, for the first time ever, how oxidized were the gases being released early in Earthâs history. Understanding the level of oxidation could spell the difference between nasty swamp gas and the mixture of water vapor and carbon dioxide we are currently so accustomed to, according to study lead author Dustin Trail, a postdoctoral researcher in the Center for Astrobiology. By determining the oxidation state of the magmas that created zircon, we could then determine the types of gases that would eventually make their way into the atmosphere, said Trail. To do this Trail, Watson, and their colleague, postdoctoral researcher Nicholas Tailby, recreated the formation of zircons in the laboratory at different oxidation levels. They literally created lava in the lab. This procedure led to the creation of an oxidation gauge that could then be compared with the natural zircons. During this process they looked for concentrations of a rare Earth metal called cerium in the zircons. Cerium is an important oxidation gauge because it can be found in two oxidation states, with one more oxidized than the other. The higher the concentrations of the more oxidized type cerium in zircon, the more oxidized the atmosphere likely was after their formation. The calibrations reveal an atmosphere with an oxidation state closer to present-day conditions. The findings provide an important starting point for future research on the origins of life on Earth. Our planet is the stage on which all of life has played out, Watson said.
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[meteorite-list] Draveil (french hammer stone, 2011) micromount for sale / for the Telethon
Hello, here's the first sale of a Draveil meteorite fragment. It's a micromount with two fragments which come from my 105 grams fragment. Draveil meteorite fell on july 13, 2011 20km south of Paris, France. Today, five stones were recovered, for an approximate mass of 7.5kg. Two of them fell through roofs on houses in Draveil. More stones are to be found probably but the area is heavily populated. All profit goes to the Telethon so bid now on ebay : http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=110787191858 Thanks for your help, Pierre-Marie Pele meteor-center.com IMCA 3360 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Draveil (french hammer stone, 2011) micromount for sale / for the Telethon
Hello, here's the first sale of a Draveil meteorite fragment. It's a micromount with two fragments which come from my 105 grams fragment. Draveil meteorite fell on july 13, 2011 20km south of Paris, France. Today, five stones were recovered, for an approximate mass of 7.5kg. Two of them fell through roofs on houses in Draveil. More stones are to be found probably but the area is heavily populated. All profit goes to the Telethon so bid now on ebay : http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=110787191858 Thanks for your help, Pierre-Marie Pele meteor-center.com IMCA 3360 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mysterious Debris Crashes Through Plymouth Warehouse Roof
looks like a piece of ram steel for a hydraulic cylinder... http://news.yahoo.com/video/bostonwbz-15750588/mysterious-debris-crashes-through-plymouth-warehouse-roof-27453051.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Trade/ Or Sell ... 2 Big Meteorites...
*apologies for the extra sale post this week... Hello, I have decided not to collect big meteorites anymore, my collection focus has changed a bit. So, I am willing to let these 2 BIG specimens go for a good price. Now is your chance to add 2 large specimens to your collection I will consider some trade, but mostly I am looking for a money offer for the 2 together. I will consider offers on both individually or together... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200646599264 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190608572581 Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 1. Re: Pope Benedict XVI's Astronomer: the Catholic Church
The words of one much more intelligent than most Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. Albert Einstein, Science, Philosophy and Religion: a Symposium, 1941 http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/einstein/einsci.htm#TWO Davio R. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Are these meteorites???
http://cgi.ebay.fr/Meteorite-NWA-non-classee-Chondrite-10-kilo-/190341349386?_trksid=p4340.m8_trkparms=algo%3DMW%26its%3DC%252BS%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D8%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D4614107719323363349 Maurizio Eltri __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Who to contact if an impact crater has been found?
Bob Loeffler wrote: “Someone contacted me about finding a meteorite impact crater and wants to know who to contact to get it verified and then get credited for his find. He didn’t say if he found any meteorites around/in it. Any ideas of who he should contact? He said it’s in Colorado.’ In addition to the Denver Museum of Nature and Science, he can also contact the Colorado Geological Survey at: http://geosurvey.state.co.us/about/Pages/ContactUs.aspx http://geosurvey.state.co.us/about/Pages/StaffDirectory.aspx The local state geologists are well qualified for providing opinions about potential meteorite impact craters. One of their (geologic) mapping geologists would be the best person to contact. Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ESA Suspends Tracking Support to Phobos-Grunt
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Operations/SEMNEO2XFVG_2.html ESA suspends tracking support to Russian Mars mission European Space Agency 2 December 2011 In consultation and agreement with Phobos-Grunt mission managers, ESA engineers will end tracking support today. Efforts in the past week to send commands to and receive data from the Russian Mars mission via ESA ground stations have not succeeded; no response has been seen from the satellite. ESA teams remain available to assist the Phobos-Grunt mission if indicated by any change in the situation. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: November 28 - December 2, 2011
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES November 28 - December 2, 2011 o Rabe Crater (28 November 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5769 o In memory: Planetary geologist Ronald Greeley (29 November 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5770 o Gullies (30 November 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5771 o Rabe Crater Dunes (01 December 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5772 o Russell Crater Dunes (02 December 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5773 All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MSL Course Excellent, Adjustment Postponed
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-371 Course Excellent, Adjustment Postponed Jet Propulsion Laboratory December 01, 2011 MARS SCIENCE LABORATORY MISSION STATUS REPORT PASADENA, Calif. - Excellent launch precision for NASA's Mars Science Laboratory mission has forestalled the need for an early trajectory correction maneuver, now not required for a month or more. That first of six planned course adjustments during the 254-day journey from Earth to Mars had originally been scheduled for 15 days after the mission's Nov. 26 launch on a United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket. Now, the correction maneuver will not be performed until later in December or possibly January. This was among the most accurate interplanetary injections ever, said Louis D'Amario of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. He is the mission design and navigation manager for the Mars Science Laboratory. Engineers deliberately planned the spacecraft's initial trajectory to miss Mars by about 35,000 miles (56,400 kilometers). This precaution protects Mars from Earth's microbes, because the Centaur upper stage of the launch vehicle, which is not thoroughly cleaned the way the spacecraft is, leaves Earth on the same trajectory as the spacecraft. The planned trajectory ensures that the Centaur will not hit Mars. The launch put the spacecraft on an actual trajectory missing Mars by about 38,000 miles (61,200 kilometers). Planned trajectory correction maneuvers will put the spacecraft on course and on timing to land at Mars' Gale Crater on Aug. 6, 2012, Universal Time (evening of Aug. 5, Pacific Daylight Time). The spacecraft experienced a computer reset on Tuesday apparently related to star-identifying software in the attitude control system. The reset put the spacecraft briefly into a precautionary safe mode. Engineers restored it to normal operational status for functions other than attitude control while planning resumption of star-guided attitude control. Also on Tuesday, thrusters were used as planned to slow the spacecraft's rotation rate from 2.5 rotations per minute to 2.05 rotations per minute. Telecommunications are active at a downlink rate of 25 kilobits per second. Electrical output from the cruise stage solar array is 800 watts. Thrusters warmed by catalytic bed heaters were originally warmer than expected, but use of the heaters has been reduced to keep the thrusters at intended temperatures. As of 9 a.m. PST (noon EST) on Friday, Dec. 2, the spacecraft will have traveled 10.8 million miles (17.3 million kilometers) of its 352-million-mile (567-million-kilometer) flight to Mars, and will be moving at 7,500 mph (12,000 kilometers per hour) relative to Earth and at 73,800 mph (118,700 kilometers per hour) relative to the sun. The Mars Science Laboratory mission will use its car-size rover, Curiosity, to investigate whether the selected region on Mars has offered environmental conditions favorable for supporting microbial life and favorable for preserving clues about whether life existed. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the Mars Science Laboratory mission for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington. More information about Curiosity is online at: http://www.nasa.gov/msl and http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/ . You can follow the mission on Facebook at: http://www.facebook.com/marscuriosity and on Twitter at: http://www.twitter.com/marscuriosity . Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov 2011-371 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Are these meteorites???
Mike kindly offered: So they are probably real (most of them), but their collector value is minimal. Hi Maurizio; While probability is on Mike's money, I would say: They are real (most of them), but their collector value could be less than a Siena, Vigarano, Renazzo ;-), since value is in the purse of the beholder ... or the recipient of the box of chocolates' eater depending on who you ask! Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Maurizio Eltri maurizio.el...@libero.it Cc: Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 4:16 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Are these meteorites??? Hi Maurizio, It's impossible tell with certainty when just seeing a couple of photos. But, these stones look like highly-weathered common chondrites. So they are probably real (most of them), but their collector value is minimal. Best regards, MikeG -- * Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone *** On 12/2/11, Maurizio Eltri maurizio.el...@libero.it wrote: http://cgi.ebay.fr/Meteorite-NWA-non-classee-Chondrite-10-kilo-/190341349386?_trksid=p4340.m8_trkparms=algo%3DMW%26its%3DC%252BS%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D8%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D4614107719323363349 Maurizio Eltri __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Are these meteorites???
Hi Maurizo, hi All, The price is tantalizing but never forget this: = Know your dealer! = What if something goes wrong? Some of these stones will surely be meteoritic, probably NWA 869, or some other unclassified finds, but what if ...?! Ciao from Allemania, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ESA Suspends Tracking Support to Phobos-Grunt
How bitterly sad. I feel like we were about to catch a part of Phobos in a fishing net, but the handle of the net was just a centimeter too short or we didn't lunge far enough; and plop went the most exciting sample return mission since Luna into the deep blue sea. Then, we saw it under the water and tried again, but the refracted handle caused a miss and to the bottom it spiralled down ... which will be the case in a few months. It will be interesting to see who, if anyone, steps forward to zap this while still aloft. My bet is on China but that would be an interesting political situation since the mission is Captained by Russia. ahh, what a loss. How many more chances in our lifetimes? Real material from Phobos, which from the beginning (I recall and someone may have referecnes) as a child seeing Dad's Sky and Tel mags with Russian images of Phobos. In a competitive world it was so interesting how the two early Space pioneers, the USSR and the USA, divided up the Solar system for exploration in such a peaceful manner and executed all the missions with such pure hopes. I miss that competition, and hope the Russian program can recover from this terrible setback. Losing the mass of talent there is really a low point in space exploration, especially seeing where the current East vs. West has ended up, no where near as fun of a race for the home teams as before. How can we get this back? Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 5:24 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] ESA Suspends Tracking Support to Phobos-Grunt http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Operations/SEMNEO2XFVG_2.html ESA suspends tracking support to Russian Mars mission European Space Agency 2 December 2011 In consultation and agreement with Phobos-Grunt mission managers, ESA engineers will end tracking support today. Efforts in the past week to send commands to and receive data from the Russian Mars mission via ESA ground stations have not succeeded; no response has been seen from the satellite. ESA teams remain available to assist the Phobos-Grunt mission if indicated by any change in the situation. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ESA Suspends Tracking Support to Phobos-Grunt
Doug, love your passion as always. -Richard M - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ESA Suspends Tracking Support to Phobos-Grunt How bitterly sad. I feel like we were about to catch a part of Phobos in a fishing net, but the handle of the net was just a centimeter too short or we didn't lunge far enough; and plop went the most exciting sample return mission since Luna into the deep blue sea. Then, we saw it under the water and tried again, but the refracted handle caused a miss and to the bottom it spiralled down ... which will be the case in a few months. It will be interesting to see who, if anyone, steps forward to zap this while still aloft. My bet is on China but that would be an interesting political situation since the mission is Captained by Russia. ahh, what a loss. How many more chances in our lifetimes? Real material from Phobos, which from the beginning (I recall and someone may have referecnes) as a child seeing Dad's Sky and Tel mags with Russian images of Phobos. In a competitive world it was so interesting how the two early Space pioneers, the USSR and the USA, divided up the Solar system for exploration in such a peaceful manner and executed all the missions with such pure hopes. I miss that competition, and hope the Russian program can recover from this terrible setback. Losing the mass of talent there is really a low point in space exploration, especially seeing where the current East vs. West has ended up, no where near as fun of a race for the home teams as before. How can we get this back? Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 5:24 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] ESA Suspends Tracking Support to Phobos-Grunt http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Operations/SEMNEO2XFVG_2.html ESA suspends tracking support to Russian Mars mission European Space Agency 2 December 2011 In consultation and agreement with Phobos-Grunt mission managers, ESA engineers will end tracking support today. Efforts in the past week to send commands to and receive data from the Russian Mars mission via ESA ground stations have not succeeded; no response has been seen from the satellite. ESA teams remain available to assist the Phobos-Grunt mission if indicated by any change in the situation. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cannon Falls Man Discovers Meteorite, Again
Great story...thanks for sharing that. Graham On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:55 PM, dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com wrote: CF man discovers meteorite, again by Ken Haggerty Skunk Hollow resident Larry Plucker is a fairly down-to-earth guy, except for maybe once every fifty years or so when he has what could be called cosmic experiences. Plucker, who runs an appliance repair business, grew up on a farm near Emery, South Dakota. When he was just a kid, back in 1962, he pulled a somewhat different looking rock out of a rock pile on the farm. The curious young kid did some encyclopedia research and suspected he had discovered a meteorite. He saw an article on meteorites in the farming magazine The Furrow and, as suggested in the article, sent a sample of the rock to the American Meteorite Laboratory in Denver, where it was confirmed a meteorite. The Lab, which was aggressively researching meteorites as the U.S. was in the early years of the space program, bought his 36 pound rock for nearly $200. (A meteorite is a natural object originating in outer space that survives impact with the Earth's surface. When a meteoroid enters the atmosphere, the body heats up and emits light, thus forming a fireball, also known as a meteor or shooting/falling star. There are about 40,000 documented meteorite finds in the world.) Fast forward almost half a century. It's late-October, 2011, when Plucker, his wife and son are on vacation in Washington, D.C. doing all the touristy monument and museum visits. During a stop at the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History, Plucker was walking through an exhibit on various geological finds when he said to his wife I wonder whatever happened to the meteorite I found. Plucker said they turned a corner and moments later he noticed a glassed-in display of meteorites, including one named Emery that was discovered in South Dakota, 1962. The meteorite he had found as a kid was on display at the Smithsonian! It turns out his meteorite is a type called a mesosiderite, and is a mix of stone, iron and nickel and is one of the more rare meteorites. Plucker says only about one percent of the found meteorites are of this type. Plucker grabbed a few pictures of his second chance occurrence with this cosmic rock for posterity and smiled about the probability and odds of finding that meteorite not once, but twice. Since he was a kid, Plucker has kept a sliver of the meteorite, which he carries with him in his wallet for good luck. As Plucker jokes, You know what they say: 'Catch a falling star and put in your pocket!' http://www.cannonfalls.com/main.asp?SectionID=1SubSectionID=1ArticleID=21039 Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Are these meteorites???
Greetings Maurizio: Those look a lot like Al Haggounia 001, the paleo/fossil meteorite. A rare EL3 type (enstatite) that is very inexpensive due to the massive TKW (total known weight) http://www.ebay.com/itm/AL-HAGGOUNIA-001-Stony-Meteorite-Fragments-8-1g-/400175463637 Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Are these meteorites???
But doesn’t Al Hagg... claim to be an Aubrite in the Bulletin and on European web sites? Oh ya, that's right, it is 'supposed' to be paired to NWA 2828, the EL3! ;-) Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com NaturesVault (eBay) IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 9:06 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Are these meteorites??? Greetings Maurizio: Those look a lot like Al Haggounia 001, the paleo/fossil meteorite. A rare EL3 type (enstatite) that is very inexpensive due to the massive TKW (total known weight) http://www.ebay.com/itm/AL-HAGGOUNIA-001-Stony-Meteorite-Fragments-8-1g-/400175463637 Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Are these meteorites???
More than 20 pairings?: The Al Haggounia Fossil or Paleo Meteorite Problem: http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Al_Haggounia.html Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NAwhat'sME (was...Are these meteorites???)
http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Al_Haggounia.html; Wow, what a great and insightful page to these stones. Maske one want to get on a plane and go digging themselves. Does the list have an opionion of this already or is it one of those things that fell between the sofa cushions and never got cleaned up? What is the status of the proposed reclassification in the Bulletin as an EL3? If it hasn't been done yet can anyone post an opposing view to keep the aubrite or other classifications alive? Maybe it hasn't been done because this relict meteorite is being called a fossil? I've heard of fossil living people but fossil meteorites - please let's not go there! Seems like there is more than one change being proposed on this page. Best IMO - one thing at a time, leave that battle for another time. IMO: The use of the word 'fossil' for dug up minerals according to this dictionary is obsolete: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fossil ...but beyond that for any it is extremely confusing to the commercial side of this especially to innocent buyers and hopefully the IMCA and other alike groups can regulate this if it sounds reasonable; since it is generally used to describe for living organisms or structures left by them, and therefore has associated with it an air of ancient life to the new collector, and there is no need to evoke this term any more than 'aubrite' if in fact that doesn't fit. As for 'paleo', it sounds like a $2 word for $0.06 per gram meteorite as well. Relict is a perfect term and even has precedence as it has been used throughout the Chicxulub studies to describe the tektites which in a similar fasion have been incorporated into sediment. So after reading the excellent and painstaking work by Drs. Ted Bunch and A. Irving, one has to wonder where Conan the Barbarian is just to come in and say: They are relicts and they are EL3's, further use of any other mentioned terms is immediately hereby suspended until noticed by the axe-wielding squad ;-), or an opposing view makes its stand in a peer-reviewed article. Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:19 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Are these meteorites??? More than 20 pairings?: The Al Haggounia Fossil or Paleo Meteorite Problem: http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Al_Haggounia.html Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Are these meteorites???
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Al-Haggounia-Enstatite-EL3-Stone-Meteorite-Slice-28-6-G-/280774269672?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item415f735ae8 Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Are these meteorites???
Phil wrote: The Al Haggounia Fossil or Paleo Meteorite Problem: http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Al_Haggounia.html Thank you, Phil! A little more air time for the obviously long term problem gone on deaf ears!!! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com NaturesVault (eBay) IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:19 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Are these meteorites??? More than 20 pairings?: The Al Haggounia Fossil or Paleo Meteorite Problem: http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Al_Haggounia.html Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Al Hagg.. Get it Right.. Finally!
Hi Doug and All, Doug, not to be blunt, but this entire conversation is an 'Extremely', 'Old', 'Archaic', Fossil of a subject that it is almost boring to most of us... Unless you really understand 'et al'... The bottom line is, money or not, get the facts corrected before more collectors continue to buy 'misinformed' Aubrites.. Bottom Line!!! This is one of those ongoing subjects that one needs to understand before they step in their own mud...! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com NaturesVault (eBay) IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: MexicoDoug Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:15 PM To: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com ; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NAwhat'sME (was...Are these meteorites???) http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Al_Haggounia.html; Wow, what a great and insightful page to these stones. Maske one want to get on a plane and go digging themselves. Does the list have an opionion of this already or is it one of those things that fell between the sofa cushions and never got cleaned up? What is the status of the proposed reclassification in the Bulletin as an EL3? If it hasn't been done yet can anyone post an opposing view to keep the aubrite or other classifications alive? Maybe it hasn't been done because this relict meteorite is being called a fossil? I've heard of fossil living people but fossil meteorites - please let's not go there! Seems like there is more than one change being proposed on this page. Best IMO - one thing at a time, leave that battle for another time. IMO: The use of the word 'fossil' for dug up minerals according to this dictionary is obsolete: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fossil ...but beyond that for any it is extremely confusing to the commercial side of this especially to innocent buyers and hopefully the IMCA and other alike groups can regulate this if it sounds reasonable; since it is generally used to describe for living organisms or structures left by them, and therefore has associated with it an air of ancient life to the new collector, and there is no need to evoke this term any more than 'aubrite' if in fact that doesn't fit. As for 'paleo', it sounds like a $2 word for $0.06 per gram meteorite as well. Relict is a perfect term and even has precedence as it has been used throughout the Chicxulub studies to describe the tektites which in a similar fasion have been incorporated into sediment. So after reading the excellent and painstaking work by Drs. Ted Bunch and A. Irving, one has to wonder where Conan the Barbarian is just to come in and say: They are relicts and they are EL3's, further use of any other mentioned terms is immediately hereby suspended until noticed by the axe-wielding squad ;-), or an opposing view makes its stand in a peer-reviewed article. Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:19 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Are these meteorites??? More than 20 pairings?: The Al Haggounia Fossil or Paleo Meteorite Problem: http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Al_Haggounia.html Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Are these meteorites???
I only have one question when it comes to Al Haggounia and its many pairings: if it is really an Aubrite, why does it contain Chondrules?? And yes it does: _http://www.impactika.com/TSpics/nwa2965.jpg_ (http://www.impactika.com/TSpics/nwa2965.jpg) Enjoy! Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 12/2/2011 8:19:49 PM Mountain Standard Time, joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com writes: More than 20 pairings?: The Al Haggounia Fossil or Paleo Meteorite Problem: http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Al_Haggounia.html Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Al Hagg.. yawn?
Doug, not to be blunt, but this entire conversation is an 'Extremely', 'Old', 'Archaic', Fossil of a subject that it is almost boring to most of us... Hi Greg, Thanks Greg for that thought and precisely for that reason if you want a classification changed it is strange to mix a dead horse with what you would like to be another live one a.k.a. removing the 'aubrite' classification. I do think it is strange that these classification corrections haven't been made (as you can see in my post) and Drs. Bunch and Irving have made believers out of me; one can only respect the resources they dedicated to elucidating the variations of this crapped up old pile of earth rocks that is almost boring to a few of us that were meteorites at one time and are just weathered ghosts of what they once were. What is your reply to this 2011 EL6 poster? Is it 'acceptable' to you since aubrite is removed? Or must more blood be drawn from the stone ;-) I don't mean to be blunt either and please accept my apology which I offer in advance if there are ruffled feathers somewhere due to this classification. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2011/pdf/5298.pdf But everyone who was on the list certainly heard about that classification problem ... and likely from you ... and likely more than once ... and why give more airtime to it (could it be this is a discussion group and not a solution group?), because only a few care: that's your dead horse and other discussion ending logic. I respectfully disagree and I think attitude has a lot to do with the present problem (this is not directed at anyone specific, and most definitely NOT the scientists – they get kudos). A simple email to the editor at this point should be what is needed; no one likes getting yelled at to do something, I'm sure no one is happy to change it now. Any other air time is likely to only result in character assassination, “Get it right!” to Met Soc editors, do they get paid to listen to that?; so to be clear, what's the point of it on the list other than entertainment value or public humiliation? The nomenclature of fossil/paleo/ancient is entirely another issue. But by shoving the fossil/paleo issue forward when marketing this material, for some rusted out relicts, well, let's just say that by tying two dead horses together, neither does the other any favors. This continues to be a marketing representation every time someone buys this material, and we must be vigilant to keep ideas about finding fossil life in meteorites divorced from our observations given past 'problems' and media distortion. On eBay, the majority of these are currently marketed as fossil aubrites. The one that says EL3 says it has many metal flecks in it (does that make sense? Wow if so, kind of makes me wonder if it really isn’t just a highly weathered meteorite, like other cheapo rusted-out meteorites, that happened to get in some old lakebed.) I mean, let’s see the stages of a meteorite: fresh fall $$$; fresh find $$; weathered find $; highly weathered find ¢¢; tons of barely recognizable relict ¢/$ ? Maybe, if that is what the customer likes. But there are hundreds of new list members that would be interested in the relict definition (and why the meteoritical society chose that) and hundreds more that worry about the classification. General material is always cycled on the list and that allows newer members to participate rather than be told what is right and see how these things evolve. You really shouldn't be speaking for most of us on my fossil hot button. For every mouthpiece on the list there are 50 more folks that have no strong opinion or find it all interesting. Respectfully yours, as always, facts … are optional but you are welcome to kindly add them; But only I will read my paleo horse his last rights especially when the smart money is on him! ;-) Doug -Original Message- From: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net To: Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, Dec 3, 2011 1:00 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Al Hagg.. Get it Right.. Finally! Hi Doug and All, Doug, not to be blunt, but this entire conversation is an 'Extremely', 'Old', 'Archaic', Fossil of a subject that it is almost boring to most of us... Unless you really understand 'et al'... The bottom line is, money or not, get the facts corrected before more collectors continue to buy 'misinformed' Aubrites.. Bottom Line!!! This is one of those ongoing subjects that one needs to understand before they step in their own mud...! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com NaturesVault (eBay) IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: MexicoDoug Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:15 PM To: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com ;
