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2012-01-02 Thread valparint
Sikhote Alin

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[meteorite-list] Sikhote Alin Meteorite Stolen from the University of New Mexico

2012-01-02 Thread karmaka
WATCH OUT !!
 
Sikhote Alin Meteorite Stolen from the University of New Mexico 

http://www.meteorite-times.com/whats-new/sikhote-alin-meteorite-stolen-from-the-university-of-new-mexico/

One of our museum display specimens was stolen out of its case — most  likely 
just before Christmas break, during opening hours. The specimen  is a “Sikhote 
Alin” weighing 9490 grams. I would like to alert the  meteorite collector 
community to be on the look-out for this specimen,  it is unique and easily 
identifiable as our property.

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[meteorite-list] NM AZ CO TX CA Major Meteor 31DEC2011 update

2012-01-02 Thread drtanuki
Dear List,
  Updated sighting reports and map now added to site; take a look at all of the 
reports:
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/01/breaking-news-nm-az-co-bolide-meteor.html

Happy New Year!  Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote Alin Meteorite Stolen from the University of New Mexico

2012-01-02 Thread Ruben Garcia
Hi,

I am confused, the sign under the Sikhote reads Hexahedrite but
isn't Sikhote Alin a coarsest octahedrite?

 
http://www.meteorite-times.com/whats-new/sikhote-alin-meteorite-stolen-from-the-university-of-new-mexico/


On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 4:19 AM, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote:
 WATCH OUT !!

 Sikhote Alin Meteorite Stolen from the University of New Mexico



 One of our museum display specimens was stolen out of its case — most  
 likely just before Christmas break, during opening hours. The specimen  is a 
 “Sikhote Alin” weighing 9490 grams. I would like to alert the  meteorite 
 collector community to be on the look-out for this specimen,  it is unique 
 and easily identifiable as our property.

 Martin




 
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[meteorite-list] Sikhote Alin Meteorite Stolen from the University of New Mexico

2012-01-02 Thread Bernd V. Pauli
Hi Ruben,

No reason to be confused! You're right ... it is a typo.

Cheers,

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote Alin Meteorite Stolen from the University of New Mexico

2012-01-02 Thread Galactic Stone Ironworks
That is disgusting.  I hope they find the thief and give him the
Furio treatment.  If you have seen the Sopranos, you know what that
is.  LOL

And Ruben is right, I think.  Sikhote is a IIAB - coarse octahedrite.
 Unless some specimens were re-crystallized by heat and are now
classified as hexahedrites?

Best regards,

MikeG

PS - ask everyone who had access to the building (if keys were used)
to take a polygraph.  if they refuse, break their ankles or a
knee-cap.  I bet the meteorite gets turned in quick.


On 1/2/12, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I am confused, the sign under the Sikhote reads Hexahedrite but
 isn't Sikhote Alin a coarsest octahedrite?

 http://www.meteorite-times.com/whats-new/sikhote-alin-meteorite-stolen-from-the-university-of-new-mexico/


 On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 4:19 AM, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de
 wrote:
 WATCH OUT !!

 Sikhote Alin Meteorite Stolen from the University of New Mexico



 One of our museum display specimens was stolen out of its case — most
  likely just before Christmas break, during opening hours. The specimen
  is a “Sikhote Alin” weighing 9490 grams. I would like to alert the
  meteorite collector community to be on the look-out for this specimen,
  it is unique and easily identifiable as our property.

 Martin




 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote Alin Meteorite Stolen from the University of New Mexico

2012-01-02 Thread karmaka
Bernd,
 
you wrote this almost 4 years ago:
 
Eduardo wrote: 
 
Meteor Crater... exhibition... a Sikhote Alin...labeled as Hexahedrite. 
 
 
Hello Eduardo, Anne, and List,
That employee was not too far off target, ... only problem his source of 
information is outdated. His reference was probably the, ...roll of drums, 
the Third Edition of the Catalogue of Meteorites (1966), page 449: 
 
Sikhote-Alin, Eastern Siberia... Iron. Granular hexahedrite, or coarsest 
octahedrite (4.9 mm)...The so-called craters are mostly only impact holes, 
and the fall appears to be a granular hexahedrite rather than an octahedrite 
(L. LaPaz, Popular Astronomy, Northfield, Minnesota, 1949, vol. 57, p. 88).
 
Bernd
 
Martin
 
 
 
 
Von: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Betreff: [meteorite-list] Sikhote Alin Meteorite Stolen from the University of 
New Mexico
 Datum: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:29:16 +0100
 
Hi Ruben,
 
 No reason to be confused! You're right ... it is a typo.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Bernd
 
 
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[meteorite-list] Sikhote Alin Meteorite Stolen from the University of New Mexico

2012-01-02 Thread Bernd V. Pauli
Martin kindly wrote:

Bernd, you wrote this almost 4 years ago: Eduardo
 wrote:...a Sikhote Alin...labeled as Hexahedrite.

... which clearly demonstrates the Internet doesn't
forget but I do ;-)

Cheers,

Bernd


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[meteorite-list] Small Etched Gibeon and Muonionalusta cuts - Dealer lots for sale!

2012-01-02 Thread Ruben Garcia
860 grams Etched Gibeon Circles (.80 per gram)
http://s1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/mrmeteorite/?action=viewcurrent=gibeonandmuonionalusta003.jpg

1565 grams Etched Muonionalusta cuts (Most with Exterior) (.65 per gram)
http://s1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/mrmeteorite/?action=viewcurrent=gandm004.jpg

1850 grams  - Etched Gibeon Cuts (most without exterior) (.75 per gram)
http://s1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/mrmeteorite/?action=viewcurrent=gandm002.jpg

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[meteorite-list] AD-WInona (AZ), Ornans, complete Murchison, Whitecourt, more

2012-01-02 Thread mail

Happy New Year!

I've just completed an update of my site with some rare material, some  
from my personal collection.


Please have a look here:
http://www.mhmeteorites.com

Also I have some ebay auctions running
http://stores.ebay.com/Mile-High-Meteorites/

Matt Morgan
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote Alin Meteorite Stolen from the University of New Mexico

2012-01-02 Thread MexicoDoug

Hi guys

I think this is true, but really don't know if there is some more 
subtile catch like some completely arbitrary distance someone measured 
somewhere:


In the conditons of formation, even though Sikhote is classified as an 
octahedrite, most of the small specimens do not exhibit patterns and 
are just small chunks of a single kamacite crystals, right?  So 
whatever the main mass is called, really doesn't matter - these smaller 
ones are chemically hexahedrites.  Because all a hexahedrite is  - is a 
fragment of a kamacite crystal.


In fact, some hexahedrites between 5-6% nickel are probably 
octahedrites even by the TKW accounting method, only, the interface 
wasn't discovered during classification.  Similar to the siderite vs. 
pallasite discoveries of late.


(In the case of the larger specimen that was labeled, probably it is 
larfe enough to contain a crystal interface, so best to call it as 
mentioned coarsest octahedrite.)


kindest wishes
Doug
(surviving the change of year, but barely!)



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From: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
To: Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:06 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sikhote Alin Meteorite Stolen from the 
University of New Mexico



Martin kindly wrote:

Bernd, you wrote this almost 4 years ago: Eduardo
wrote:...a Sikhote Alin...labeled as Hexahedrite.

... which clearly demonstrates the Internet doesn't
forget but I do ;-)

Cheers,

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote Alin Meteorite Stolen from the University of New Mexico

2012-01-02 Thread karmaka
 kindest wishes
 Doug
 (surviving the change of year, but barely!) 
 
DeLeón, Pepe's y Joe's, Kahlúa, Tepaches, Margaritas or some of 'Doug's 
Homebrew' ?;-)
 
Martin


 
Von: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com
 An: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote Alin Meteorite Stolen from the 
University of New Mexico
 Datum: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 19:38:29 +0100
 
Hi guys
 
 I think this is true, but really don't know if there is some more 
 subtile catch like some completely arbitrary distance someone measured 
 somewhere:
 
 In the conditons of formation, even though Sikhote is classified as an 
 octahedrite, most of the small specimens do not exhibit patterns and 
 are just small chunks of a single kamacite crystals, right?  So 
 whatever the main mass is called, really doesn't matter - these smaller 
 ones are chemically hexahedrites.  Because all a hexahedrite is  - is a 
 fragment of a kamacite crystal.
 
 In fact, some hexahedrites between 5-6% nickel are probably 
 octahedrites even by the TKW accounting method, only, the interface 
 wasn't discovered during classification.  Similar to the siderite vs. 
 pallasite discoveries of late.
 
 (In the case of the larger specimen that was labeled, probably it is 
 larfe enough to contain a crystal interface, so best to call it as 
 mentioned coarsest octahedrite.)
 
 kindest wishes
 Doug
 (surviving the change of year, but barely!)
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Bernd V. Pauli 
 To: Meteorite-list 
 Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:06 am
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Sikhote Alin Meteorite Stolen from the 
 University of New Mexico
 
 
 Martin kindly wrote:
 
 Bernd, you wrote this almost 4 years ago: Eduardo
 wrote:...a Sikhote Alin...labeled as Hexahedrite.
 
 ... which clearly demonstrates the Internet doesn't
 forget but I do ;-)
 
 Cheers,
 
 Bernd
 
 
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[meteorite-list] Ad -Special Monday Auctions Ending - No Reserves!

2012-01-02 Thread Adam Hupe
Dear Meteorite List Members,

I have Special Monday Night Auctions ending this evening.  There are many great 
planetary specimens with no reserves.  I also have 54 auctions ending tomorrow 
night.  All were started at just 99 cents with reserves.

Please check them out if you can find time. Many bargains are to be had!


Link to all auctions:
http://shop.ebay.com/raremeteorites!/m.html


Kindest Regards and Happy New Year,

Adam
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[meteorite-list] Weathering profiles on Earth and Mars

2012-01-02 Thread Paul H.
The below web page is an interesting site of images
and text explanation.

Weathering profiles on Earth and Mars by Anne Gaudin, 
University Nantes, CNRS, Laboratoire LPGN, France
Featured images for January 2012, IAG Planetary 
Geomorphology Working Group
http://www.psi.edu/pgwg/images/Jan12Image.html

The paper is:

Gaudin, A.,  E. Dehouck, N. Mangold, 2011, Evidence for 
weathering on early Mars from a comparison with terrestrial 
weathering profiles. Icarus. vol. 216, no. 1, pp. 257-268.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103511003496

Best wishes,

Paul H.
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[meteorite-list] Iowa WI MN Large Fireball 2JAN2012

2012-01-02 Thread drtanuki
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/01/ia-wi-mn-meteor-fireball-2jan2012.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] NM AZ CO Bolide Meteor Fireball 31DEC2011

2012-01-02 Thread Michael Farmer
Wow, that is a large fireball! Some pieces on the ground for sure, reported 
from Texas to Colorado. Christmas came early and might have came late too!


Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 31, 2011, at 10:46 PM, drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Dear List,  Happy New Year 2012!
 
 Just Breaking News - 
 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/01/breaking-news-nm-az-co-bolide-meteor.html
 
 Also just breaking news  - 1JAN2012 Japan Earthquake M7.0 -  no known damage 
 and no tsunami warnings
 
 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/01/japan-earthquake-70-1428-1jan2012-happy.html
 
 Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Re: [meteorite-list] Darryl Pitt's TATA MARTIAN auction

2012-01-02 Thread Michael Farmer
Gets better by the minute.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 31, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote:

 
 
 Okay
 
 More first auction hiccups.
 
 I asked Lucas (who as some of you know works in the music biz aspect of what 
 we do) to set up the auction on eBay.  I later mentioned to Luke there were a 
 handful of typos in the copy and that the headline should have contained the 
 word meteorite.
 
 I just learned Luke thought he could fix thisand it seems he 
 inadvertently took down the auction.  It's now back up (with the corrections) 
 and still ending tomorrow, but the specimen is now much cheaper! ;-)
 
 It's listed as this
 
 METEORITE - NEW TATA MARS SHERGOTTITE 0.652 GRAMS
 
 So very sorry for the inconvenience, folks.   Ugh!
 
 
 
 From a very loud office in Times Squareonce gain, wishing everyone a 
 really terrific year! Warmly / Darryl
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 31, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Peter Scherff wrote:
 
 Hi Darryl,
 
 What happened to the auction?
 
 Peter
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] TKW OF THE TATA MARTIAN - Predict $100 Martians

2012-01-02 Thread Michael Farmer
Anyone with pieces for sale contact me. 
I am a buyer of this flood of material. $200 gram how much can you offer me. 
Michael Farmer

I see that those who don't have it are showing via these posts.

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On Dec 31, 2011, at 4:26 PM, dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I am going out on a limb and predict that we are about to see $100 martian. 
 Probably less. Dont believe anybody who tells you there are only four kilos.
 I could be wrong with that price guess (Especially if some goovernment museum 
 decides to buy it all up) but this is currently all held by the moroccans who 
 want to sell it and not just sit on it like with some other meteorites that 
 remain overpriced because a small number of people are hoarding in (Or 
 Investing in it). I think martians are way overpriced as it is even without 
 this fall.
 This will be very close to being the largest ever Martian meteorite (If not 
 the largest). And its all for sale.
 I started getting offers a short while ago at over $400 a gram and the 
 wholesale price is well under $200 already. As with all meteorites in Morocco 
 when you get offers that offer is always The last thats available so you 
 better buy now. That has happened to me more often than I can count so I 
 dont believe a word that comes out of Morocco anymore.
 My advice is to hold off on the current overpriced offerings and wait until 
 Tucson (Which I predict will be flooded with the stuff).
 I have a leftover Martian from a few years ago (Where there really is very 
 little more available) that I have started on ebay at $161 a gram (Or buy it 
 now at $241) - See my ebay auction #190621515662). If you think that the new 
 fall will create lots of martian interest and drive up the price this is a 
 rare opportunity to get some cheap (Cheaper than I paid for it) but me, I 
 think that Martians are about to become reasonably priced and am getting out 
 while I can.
 Of course if some government agency buys it all up dont blame me if you 
 missed out on a really nice martian fall cheap. Goldman Sachs is not always 
 right in the price predictions either.
 Cheers
 DEAN
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] TKW OF THE TATA MARTIAN

2012-01-02 Thread Michael Farmer
Show me these 11 kg
I believe what I see and i know of around 6kg. 
Michael Farmer

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On Dec 31, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
 
 Wow, the weight popped from just 6 kilos a week ago and is now well over 
 11kilos this week and still climbing.  I am hoping for a new world record so 
 there will be plenty of nice large pieces for collection and study purposes.  
 Wouldn't that be something?  It would be nice if more images were posted with 
 accurate weights.  It is a sham that both Shergotty and Zagami have rounded 
 off weights.  Can't somebody afford an accurate scale instead of just 
 guessing?  
 
 Happy New Year,
 
 Adam
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: rachid chaoui chaouirachi...@gmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc: 
 Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:07 AM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] TKW OF THE TATA MARTIAN
 
 Hello all
  all What is exchanged about the TKW of TATA in met list  just  rumors
 ,TATA will not comes to Zagami (18kg) i assume that the TKW will be
 betwen 9-10kg,  the days come and we'll have the truth
 best greetings
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Re: [meteorite-list] TKW OF THE TATA MARTIAN

2012-01-02 Thread Jason Utas
Hello All,
My initial estimate was off -- apparently 2 kilograms I thought came
'from Morocco' came from another dealer and was counted twice.  I
assumed more was found *because* that amount came out, but it doesn't
look like that happened.
My new estimate is 6 kilograms, 7 tops.
Jason


On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 4:04 PM, MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote:
 Hi my friend MikeG and happy New Year!

 but ... I sure hope no one takes any investment advice from you!

 The quality of the meteorites has less impact on the value than the supply
 and demand situation.  NWA 482 is expensive because it was doled it out,
 like Haag with Esquel and any others of a number of highly profitable
 monopolized falls.  This one is clearly not price controllable, it is
 well-distributed whether desireable or not.  The initial sales were already
 made at very low price and those are the guys that are sitting on top of the
 profit, but that is long gone.

 The posts are divided into two groups: the haves and the have-nots.  The
 haves want to drive up the price to lock in a profit (and if they bought in
 at an in-between price, have got to be sweating bullets with the increase in
 material mentioned), so every time they open their mouthes it will be as a
 strategy to claw up the price in a clueless market so far.  The name of the
 game for our high octane meteorite gambling contingent is to buy lower than
 the other guy, that's all there is to be done.

 And the have nots, some are pissed they missed out and either have sour
 grapes, or others who couldn't give a hoot, or ar just happy they don't have
 to deal with all this gambling crap this time around.  And their posts will
 tend to reflect that.

 If no one buys more now, in a few weeks the price will crash whether you are
 a have or a have not.  Doesn't matter what the material is unless it has a
 customer base.  The people that will set the price are not the ones that
 have bought, and not the ones that will wait till the party is over.  They
 are the ones right now that will pony up hundreds of thousands of dollars to
 tide the sources appetites over so they hold out until the Sun rises and
 everyone has to go back to work.  If that money doesn't show up soon ...

 As for science, science doesn't eat meteorites.  With 20 grams most
 everything could be figured out except variations among sampling points.
  Either way, just because the scientists are salivating like us doesn't mean
 all that much more science will be done, and certainly nothing that 100
 grams couldn't handle.  I mean - what are the hypotheses you expect this
 rock will answer?  Not saying there isn't interesting research to be done,
 but it's not for every Tom Dick and Nancy with a lab coat to do.  Two top
 groups will handily characterize it, and they probably have enough material
 on the way already.

 Next time you think a fresh meteorite will demand lots of money just look at
 Allende.  The best meteorite of all (and more interesting than another
 Shergottite) and for years priced below lots of rap including common H's and
 L's.

 If there are 10 kilograms, at only $100/g, that's $1,000,000.00.  Then, if
 it gets retailed at $300/g that's $3,000,000 of capitalization.  Are you one
 of the 10 people ready to plow $100,000 into this?  Or do you think that the
 sale of a micro or oooh, a  one gram specimen for a zillion dollars a gram
 means anything at all except marketing posture (Hey look ten kg is worth a
 zillion becasue I sold ten milligrams for X)?  Because markets have this way
 of getting out of control very quickly, and if the monopoly wasn't already
 established, the cat can never be shoe-horned back into the bag.  Just go
 buy some Chergach, Bassi or Dreyga if you don't want to deal with this one.
  Probably a better investment anyway.  Too much speculation going on with
 the Martian at the moment to be anything other than a gamble.  Nothing will
 be clear on this until the end of Tucson.

 Best wishes
 Doug
 (a have-not)

 Don't worry about that, there's a sucker born every minute.
 (Chicago gambling hall, Michael McDonald, 1867)



 -Original Message-
 From: Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com
 To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:46 pm
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TKW OF THE TATA MARTIAN


 Hi Adam and List,

 It's the most important fall of 2011 and of the past 50 years.  The
 inner cores of these fresh specimens will provide pristine
 uncontaminated material for science.  This is the freshest Martian and
 planetary there is.  I imagine demand will be quite high, beyond the
 usual frenzy we see at the beginning of all new falls.  This meteorite
 will surely end up in several journals and that will create an ongoing
 demand as new research yields tantalizing clues of the solar system's
 past.

 This goes far beyond any ordinary chondrite fall and will have more
 interest than other Martian 

Re: [meteorite-list] NC Meteor Fireball 28DEC2011

2012-01-02 Thread Stuart McDaniel

I caught a pretty nice one too on 12-28-11

http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/MrKrink/METEORS/?action=viewcurrent=m20111228_061007_021.mp4



Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
Secr.,
Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
IMCA #9052

http://spacerocks.weebly.com
-Original Message- 
From: Michael Farmer

Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 2:42 AM
To: drtanuki
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NM AZ CO Bolide Meteor Fireball 31DEC2011

Wow, that is a large fireball! Some pieces on the ground for sure, reported 
from Texas to Colorado. Christmas came early and might have came late too!



Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 31, 2011, at 10:46 PM, drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com wrote:


Dear List,  Happy New Year 2012!

Just Breaking News - 
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/01/breaking-news-nm-az-co-bolide-meteor.html


Also just breaking news  - 1JAN2012 Japan Earthquake M7.0 -  no known 
damage and no tsunami warnings


http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/01/japan-earthquake-70-1428-1jan2012-happy.html

Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Re: [meteorite-list] NM AZ CO Bolide Meteor Fireball 31DEC2011

2012-01-02 Thread Chris Peterson
Actually, it appears to have massed only around a kilogram, and burned 
up more than 50 km high. It's not a likely candidate for producing 
meteorites.


Chris

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On 1/1/2012 12:42 AM, Michael Farmer wrote:

Wow, that is a large fireball! Some pieces on the ground for sure, reported 
from Texas to Colorado. Christmas came early and might have came late too!


Michael Farmer


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