Re: [meteorite-list] Weston
I ment BENARES (a) :) as for Weston I love that stone cause its the first meteorite fall in the new world and help put Yale and America in the limelight of science in the international scene. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? - Original Message - From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com; Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:46 AM Subject: Weston Shawn, Please show me the reference that Weston hit some manmade object. I've never run across that and didn't see it in Silliman and Kingsley's report. I think that it's on Michael Blood's site but believe he's in error. Thanks, Frank - Original Message From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 10:05:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! I am going to say my words and leave it at that on this Hammer Fall Stone Fall Hammer man made hitting meteorite definition As for the Hammer Stone Fall phase, I guess I did morph it by accident from Michael Bloods phase which is Hammer Fall, for some reason I thought he used Hammer Stone Fall but I checked and its worded as Hammer Fall when a stone from the fall hits a man made object. The Sutter's Mill meteorite fall is a Hammer Fall because one of the stones from that fall hit a man made object. That stone that hit the man made object is called a Hammer Stone, and I can see the confusion and thats why I changed it to Hammer Fall. So by Michael's definition when a meteorite hits a man made object that meteorite fall is a METEORITE HAMMER FALL. Documented Hammer Falls Sylacauge Barbotan L Aigle Weston Park Forest Paltusk Barwell and now Sutter's Mill From Micheal's website 1). Hammer - any individual which is part of a hammer fall in which one or more of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or human. Most of us hammer heads, however, will collect what is available from any hammer fall, though, of course, hammer stones, themselves, will be most valued. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weston
At least one stone hit a building during the Weston Fall according to Nininger's, Find A Falling Star -- reference the 1st page of Chapter One ( The Path Behind ), 3rd paragraph, last sentence. Mal On 5/15/2012 2:00 AM, Shawn Alan wrote: I ment BENARES (a) :) as for Weston I love that stone cause its the first meteorite fall in the new world and help put Yale and America in the limelight of science in the international scene. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? - Original Message - From: Frank Cressyfcre...@prodigy.net To: Shawn Alanphotoph...@yahoo.com; Meteorite Centralmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:46 AM Subject: Weston Shawn, Please show me the reference that Weston hit some manmade object. I've never run across that and didn't see it in Silliman and Kingsley's report. I think that it's on Michael Blood's site but believe he's in error. Thanks, Frank - Original Message From: Shawn Alanphotoph...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite Centralmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 10:05:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! I am going to say my words and leave it at that on this Hammer Fall Stone Fall Hammer man made hitting meteorite definition As for the Hammer Stone Fall phase, I guess I did morph it by accident from Michael Bloods phase which is Hammer Fall, for some reason I thought he used Hammer Stone Fall but I checked and its worded as Hammer Fall when a stone from the fall hits a man made object. The Sutter's Mill meteorite fall is a Hammer Fall because one of the stones from that fall hit a man made object. That stone that hit the man made object is called a Hammer Stone, and I can see the confusion and thats why I changed it to Hammer Fall. So by Michael's definition when a meteorite hits a man made object that meteorite fall is a METEORITE HAMMER FALL. Documented Hammer Falls Sylacauge Barbotan L Aigle Weston Park Forest Paltusk Barwell and now Sutter's Mill From Micheal's website 1). Hammer - any individual which is part of a hammer fall in which one or more of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or human. Most of us hammer heads, however, will collect what is available from any hammer fall, though, of course, hammer stones, themselves, will be most valued. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weston
Mal Great eye and here is the intro to the Nininger book where you said has a refrence to a stone hitting a building from the Weston fall THE PATH BEHIND In the little village of Weston, Connecticut, in the year 1807, a certain Judge Wheeler stepped from his house early one December morning and was surprised to see a great ball of fire come riding out of the northern horizon. Dazzling, brilliant, sparkling, it nearly blinded him. He watched as it passed behind thin clouds and advanced to a point almost overhead, when it flashed three times and disappeared. The judge was a learned, thoughtful man, and he was much interested in this marvelous spectacle that was different from anything he had ever seen before. He was very puzzled. It was like a shooting star, only greater in magnitude. While he stood pondering, a great noise broke upon his ear. It was like thunder, except that it grew louder and louder, grumbling and roaring in a most frightening way, almost deafening. While this sound still rumbled there came a second noise, a sizzling, whizzing buzz, as though something were falling. A little stone struck a nearby building and rolled away into the grass. Source: Nininger Find A Falling Stone Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ From: Mal Bishop magbi...@lowcountry.com To: Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net; Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Weston At least one stone hit a building during the Weston Fall according to Nininger's, Find A Falling Star -- reference the 1st page of Chapter One ( The Path Behind ), 3rd paragraph, last sentence. Mal On 5/15/2012 2:00 AM, Shawn Alan wrote: I ment BENARES (a) :) as for Weston I love that stone cause its the first meteorite fall in the new world and help put Yale and America in the limelight of science in the international scene. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? - Original Message - From: Frank Cressyfcre...@prodigy.net To: Shawn Alanphotoph...@yahoo.com; Meteorite Centralmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:46 AM Subject: Weston Shawn, Please show me the reference that Weston hit some manmade object. I've never run across that and didn't see it in Silliman and Kingsley's report. I think that it's on Michael Blood's site but believe he's in error. Thanks, Frank - Original Message From: Shawn Alanphotoph...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite Centralmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 10:05:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! I am going to say my words and leave it at that on this Hammer Fall Stone Fall Hammer man made hitting meteorite definition As for the Hammer Stone Fall phase, I guess I did morph it by accident from Michael Bloods phase which is Hammer Fall, for some reason I thought he used Hammer Stone Fall but I checked and its worded as Hammer Fall when a stone from the fall hits a man made object. The Sutter's Mill meteorite fall is a Hammer Fall because one of the stones from that fall hit a man made object. That stone that hit the man made object is called a Hammer Stone, and I can see the confusion and thats why I changed it to Hammer Fall. So by Michael's definition when a meteorite hits a man made object that meteorite fall is a METEORITE HAMMER FALL. Documented Hammer Falls Sylacauge Barbotan L Aigle Weston Park Forest Paltusk Barwell and now Sutter's Mill From Micheal's website 1). Hammer - any individual which is part of a hammer fall in which one or more of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or human. Most of us hammer heads, however, will collect what is available from any hammer fall, though, of course, hammer stones, themselves, will be most valued. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Coloma/Lotus Contributed by: Larry Atkins http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Strewn Field for Lotus / Columa area
Updated as of the morning of 15 May, 2012 Picture, Garmin gdb (ver3) file, and Google Earth kmz http://k7wfr.us/sm Still some samples missing in update, hope to see them soon. Enjoy Jim Jim Wooddell http://k7wfr.us __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] long duration with fragmentation Meteor Fireball SC TN 15MAY2012
Dear List, Initial reports of this event... http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2012/05/breaking-news-meteor-fireball-sc-tn.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weston
I'm just curious where this endless supply of extreme rarities flows from? I've had massive collections and in nearly 17 years only seen about 100 grams of Weston in mine, Not to mention many others. Something like Weston does not need a gimmick or embellishment to sell itself. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2012, at 10:46 PM, Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net wrote: Shawn, Please show me the reference that Weston hit some manmade object. I've never run across that and didn't see it in Silliman and Kingsley's report. I think that it's on Michael Blood's site but believe he's in error. Thanks, Frank - Original Message From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 10:05:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! I am going to say my words and leave it at that on this Hammer Fall Stone Fall Hammer man made hitting meteorite definition As for the Hammer Stone Fall phase, I guess I did morph it by accident from Michael Bloods phase which is Hammer Fall, for some reason I thought he used Hammer Stone Fall but I checked and its worded as Hammer Fall when a stone from the fall hits a man made object. The Sutter's Mill meteorite fall is a Hammer Fall because one of the stones from that fall hit a man made object. That stone that hit the man made object is called a Hammer Stone, and I can see the confusion and thats why I changed it to Hammer Fall. So by Michael's definition when a meteorite hits a man made object that meteorite fall is a METEORITE HAMMER FALL. Documented Hammer Falls Sylacauge Barbotan L Aigle Weston Park Forest Paltusk Barwell and now Sutter's Mill From Micheal's website 1). Hammer - any individual which is part of a hammer fall in which one or more of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or human. Most of us hammer heads, however, will collect what is available from any hammer fall, though, of course, hammer stones, themselves, will be most valued. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weston
another question, how did you get Benares? Not a gram in India and about 100 or so grams known, Karl has two complete stones from old collections, rest in London. Rarest of the rare. What provenance do you have to offer Benares on eBay? This has been bothering a lot of people for a long time. This is a meteorite considered unobtainable. Can I ask where you obtained it? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: I ment BENARES (a) :) as for Weston I love that stone cause its the first meteorite fall in the new world and help put Yale and America in the limelight of science in the international scene. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? - Original Message - From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com; Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:46 AM Subject: Weston Shawn, Please show me the reference that Weston hit some manmade object. I've never run across that and didn't see it in Silliman and Kingsley's report. I think that it's on Michael Blood's site but believe he's in error. Thanks, Frank - Original Message From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 10:05:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! I am going to say my words and leave it at that on this Hammer Fall Stone Fall Hammer man made hitting meteorite definition As for the Hammer Stone Fall phase, I guess I did morph it by accident from Michael Bloods phase which is Hammer Fall, for some reason I thought he used Hammer Stone Fall but I checked and its worded as Hammer Fall when a stone from the fall hits a man made object. The Sutter's Mill meteorite fall is a Hammer Fall because one of the stones from that fall hit a man made object. That stone that hit the man made object is called a Hammer Stone, and I can see the confusion and thats why I changed it to Hammer Fall. So by Michael's definition when a meteorite hits a man made object that meteorite fall is a METEORITE HAMMER FALL. Documented Hammer Falls Sylacauge Barbotan L Aigle Weston Park Forest Paltusk Barwell and now Sutter's Mill From Micheal's website 1). Hammer - any individual which is part of a hammer fall in which one or more of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or human. Most of us hammer heads, however, will collect what is available from any hammer fall, though, of course, hammer stones, themselves, will be most valued. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Never underestimate or dismiss Spectroscopy
The DAWN mission Public Affairs Office(?) wrote, Recent results of the Dawn mission show that the asteroid Vesta is the only known remnant from a big early phase of planet formation. In Clintonesque fashion: the truth of this assertion rest on what the definition of known is. Vesta is NOT the only known remnant in the minds of those that have looked into the early solar system composition. It may, for the present, be the only known --up close example that mankind has visited. It would be bad science reporting if it were the intention in the first paragraph of this article to casually dismiss Ceres, Pallas and, a host of other smaller remnant, irregular chunks of planetary fragments whose spectrography has been studied and whose size indicates they would be well differentiated, else have been derived from a disrupted first or second generation planetesimal. With access to super computers, we've come a long way in the past decade to working backwards in time to identify past orbital distances, conflicts/collisions and the origins of asteroid families. Analysis of orbits, resonances, voids and etc., suggest that there were over 50 minor planets/secondary planetesimals present in the early solar system which are no longer in solar orbit as whole bodies.( i.e disrupted, ejected or absorbed). Earth has only sampled 5±% of the known disrupted bodies that we have spectra from and it remains frankly naive to couch the Dawn preliminary data as the Rosetta Stone for the early solar system. The admonition to never dismiss nor underestimate spectrographyhas been violated by this very article. The headline comes across as oblivious to the existing body of research. Generally speaking, stating to the HED clan of meteorites are mainly derived from Vesta is acceptable so long as we understand ( Caveat #1) that they could also be from any of the Vesta family: any of those 6000+ bodies populating the Vesta orbital region. Many of those are over 1 km size and most but not all have Vesta matching spectra/albedos. In light of a constant sound-bite-mentality in the media, it is easy to forget that Vesta is the largest remnant of a family of asteroids and no one can say with scientific certainty that a given meteorite came from Vesta-proper vs being from one of the Vesta clan.Without this knowledge, a new comer to the meteorite collecting hobby might naively believe that we know for absolute certainty that a particular HED is only from 4 Vesta-proper to the exclusion of all other existing bodies. The second caveat is covered elsewhere in recent list commentary: the fact that we do have some non-Vestian eucrites was panned as insignificant. Well, Au contraire-- the existence of a but a solitary example is proof that the basaltic, sub/minor-planetary differentiation process happened on more than a single body. Adding credibility to the planetary-science model.Naively stating over and over that all eucrites come from Vesta won't make it true. Doing so retards the advancement meteorite science. While I think the results from Dawn are significant. It is hard to compete with manned space flight and asteroid landings for due attention. Scientist tend to be giddy over their mission success but fail to fully convey the real picture to the journalist-- whose first obligatory action is to strip the interview of caveats and transpose as least two values.(sarcasm) This press piece isn't the big picture by any means but an important part of laying out the jigsaw pieces in more orderly fashion. I do trust the scientist a lot more than I do the press so I look forward to what is really said by them. Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weston
Hi, When I have any doubt about a sample I ask about its provenance. If they are are unwilling to give me the info I requested I don't do business with them. Better safe than sorry. Peter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Weston and Benares
Dear Mike and other listees I have samples of both the Benares and the Weston in the collections here. The Benares comes in at 1.27kg and the Weston at 390g. The Weston sample is one of the biggest outside the US I believe. Sorry no trades. Cheers Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals Department of Natural Sciences National Museums Collection Centre 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Scotland Tel: 00 44 131 247 4283 E-mail: p.david...@nms.ac.uk Mummies as you've never seen them before: Fascinating Mummies. Last chance to see, until 27 May. www.nms.ac.uk/mummies National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weston and Benares
sorry, meant outside of museum collections. Are you sure no trades? Would love a piece of Benares with provenance:) Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On May 15, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Peter Davidson p.david...@nms.ac.uk wrote: Dear Mike and other listees I have samples of both the Benares and the Weston in the collections here. The Benares comes in at 1.27kg and the Weston at 390g. The Weston sample is one of the biggest outside the US I believe. Sorry no trades. Cheers Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals Department of Natural Sciences National Museums Collection Centre 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Scotland Tel: 00 44 131 247 4283 E-mail: p.david...@nms.ac.uk Mummies as you've never seen them before: Fascinating Mummies. Last chance to see, until 27 May. www.nms.ac.uk/mummies National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weston
Hello Mike and Listers Mike this is what you said another question, how did you get Benares? Not a gram in India and about 100 or so grams known, Karl has two complete stones from old collections, rest in London. Rarest of the rare. What provenance do you have to offer Benares on eBay? This has been bothering a lot of people for a long time. This is a meteorite considered unobtainable. Can I ask where you obtained it? Are we going to play this game again? Awhile back ago you accused me of having of some other meteorite I had to be m lets put it in a nice way FAKE and this is what you said around September 2011... From: Michael Farmer mike at meteoriteguy.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: ENSISHEIM, DaG400, NWA998, 2008TC3, NAKHLA, L’Aiglel, PALLAS IRON,LA 002, Jilin, Barwell, Siena, Weston, Luce, Abee more ending on eBay! To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, Shawn Alan photophlow at yahoo.com Date: Saturday, September 3, 2011, 11:12 AM Shawn, I am curious, I have pieces of Nakhla, and this Nakhla you are selling does not look like Nakhla. Can you take some clear photos of it, is that crust in the photo? Impossible to tell, but if so, that isnt Nakhla crust. Every Nakhla I have ever seen has the blackest crust possible, so shiny it nearly blinds you, I have been to most of the worlds major museums and that doest look like any of the Nakhlas I seen. I am also curious how you get so much dust and crumbs of the rarest of the rare, Sienne, Laigle, Krasnajarsk, Luce, etc. These meteorites are almost ipossible to come by, and to see you for the last two years selling an endless supply of dust and crumbs has people asking where it is from. Can you let us all know? Michael Farmer Michael this is what ill do cause I am such in deeded to you, why dont you contact Anna Black and/or Jeff Kuyken at IMCA and tell them your story and have them email me. If they contact me is Ill tell them and show them cards and pictures of where I got the Benares meteorite, and if they want, they can let the whole meteorite world know where I got it or NOT. But I am not going to entertain your antics again when you called me out on the Nakhla 1.04g fragment where I got it from a Bonham's auction. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net; Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Weston another question, how did you get Benares? Not a gram in India and about 100 or so grams known, Karl has two complete stones from old collections, rest in London. Rarest of the rare. What provenance do you have to offer Benares on eBay? This has been bothering a lot of people for a long time. This is a meteorite considered unobtainable. Can I ask where you obtained it? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: I ment BENARES (a) :) as for Weston I love that stone cause its the first meteorite fall in the new world and help put Yale and America in the limelight of science in the international scene. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? - Original Message - From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com; Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:46 AM Subject: Weston Shawn, Please show me the reference that Weston hit some manmade object. I've never run across that and didn't see it in Silliman and Kingsley's report. I think that it's on Michael Blood's site but believe he's in error. Thanks, Frank - Original Message From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 10:05:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! I am going to say my words and leave it at that on this Hammer Fall Stone Fall Hammer man made hitting meteorite definition As for the Hammer Stone Fall phase, I guess I did morph it by accident from Michael Bloods phase which is Hammer Fall, for some reason I thought he used Hammer Stone Fall but I checked and its worded as Hammer Fall when a stone from the fall hits a man made object. The Sutter's Mill meteorite fall is a Hammer Fall because one of the stones from that fall hit a man made object. That stone that hit the man made object is called a Hammer Stone, and I can see the confusion and thats why I changed it to Hammer Fall. So by Michael's definition when a
Re: [meteorite-list] Weston
Well, Shawn, Since you asked And we have had that conversation before. Please post directly to the MetList the provenance for all the specimens you have presently posted on Ebay. Thank you. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net; Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 10:29 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Weston Hello Mike and Listers Mike this is what you said another question, how did you get Benares? Not a gram in India and about 100 or so grams known, Karl has two complete stones from old collections, rest in London. Rarest of the rare. What provenance do you have to offer Benares on eBay? This has been bothering a lot of people for a long time. This is a meteorite considered unobtainable. Can I ask where you obtained it? Are we going to play this game again? Awhile back ago you accused me of having of some other meteorite I had to be m lets put it in a nice way FAKE and this is what you said around September 2011... From: Michael Farmer mike at meteoriteguy.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: ENSISHEIM, DaG400, NWA998, 2008TC3, NAKHLA, L’Aiglel, PALLAS IRON,LA 002, Jilin, Barwell, Siena, Weston, Luce, Abee more ending on eBay! To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, Shawn Alan photophlow at yahoo.com Date: Saturday, September 3, 2011, 11:12 AM Shawn, I am curious, I have pieces of Nakhla, and this Nakhla you are selling does not look like Nakhla. Can you take some clear photos of it, is that crust in the photo? Impossible to tell, but if so, that isnt Nakhla crust. Every Nakhla I have ever seen has the blackest crust possible, so shiny it nearly blinds you, I have been to most of the worlds major museums and that doest look like any of the Nakhlas I seen. I am also curious how you get so much dust and crumbs of the rarest of the rare, Sienne, Laigle, Krasnajarsk, Luce, etc. These meteorites are almost ipossible to come by, and to see you for the last two years selling an endless supply of dust and crumbs has people asking where it is from. Can you let us all know? Michael Farmer Michael this is what ill do cause I am such in deeded to you, why dont you contact Anna Black and/or Jeff Kuyken at IMCA and tell them your story and have them email me. If they contact me is Ill tell them and show them cards and pictures of where I got the Benares meteorite, and if they want, they can let the whole meteorite world know where I got it or NOT. But I am not going to entertain your antics again when you called me out on the Nakhla 1.04g fragment where I got it from a Bonham's auction. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net; Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Weston another question, how did you get Benares? Not a gram in India and about 100 or so grams known, Karl has two complete stones from old collections, rest in London. Rarest of the rare. What provenance do you have to offer Benares on eBay? This has been bothering a lot of people for a long time. This is a meteorite considered unobtainable. Can I ask where you obtained it? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: I ment BENARES (a) :) as for Weston I love that stone cause its the first meteorite fall in the new world and help put Yale and America in the limelight of science in the international scene. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD : 4 beautiful oriented Meteorites!
Hi List, Today I want to offer here 4 very nice oriented stones! 1. The first 2 stones are Camel Dongas. I have one with 1,43g and one with 3,19g. a) here the 1,43g one: -http://gavie.de/components/com_jshopping/files/img_products/full_dd461d0e5f969b50e15284b3d4857050.jpg b) here the 3,19g stone: - http://gavie.de/components/com_jshopping/files/img_products/full_7a063d94c87aca3e4055bfc069236d8c.jpg 2. The other 2 stones are unclassified NWA´s. This stones are very nice! One has 198g and the other 298g. a) The 198g one is a fresh stone with thin flowlines at the front and a nice Lipping at the backside. -http://gavie.de/components/com_jshopping/files/img_products/full_d4e46f9e182a995daf190392aacccf3c.JPG -http://gavie.de/components/com_jshopping/files/img_products/full_0b3e5ab2a11ad6b1d1fa800183bb4597.JPG -http://gavie.de/components/com_jshopping/files/img_products/full_430e952d472f3ff4b3049ba190d07800.JPG b) The 2. stone with 298g is a fragment. It has amazing oriented Regmaglypts. All in all a very nice oriented Fragment. Here 2 pics: -http://gavie.de/components/com_jshopping/files/img_products/full_ed7609e8a1ff219b7b0dc66d0f283880.JPG -http://gavie.de/components/com_jshopping/files/img_products/full_003843588b3de0eed3443826d41f91de.JPG So if you are interested contact me for more pics and the prices! Cheers David ___ Ihr WEB.DE Postfach immer dabei: die kostenlose WEB.DE Mail App für iPhone und Android. https://produkte.web.de/freemail_mobile_startseite/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill-HAMMER STONE, which hit the garage door in the Gold Discovery state????? Really????
Hello Micheal I found this on Yahoo Groups about the HAMMER STONE I think you selling and this is that it says. Ok, Just home from 3,300 mile drive and two full weeks hunting Sutter's Mill without finding a speck, I did however buy several stones with Greg Hupe as a partner. Most have been sold, one on hold for my collection, and we are breaking up the one and only HAMMER STONE, which hit the garage door in the Gold Discovery state park police housing area. This stone is featured on BBC and several other news reports. BBC was filming seconds after it was found. This stone was chipped on several edges and was the best choice to break up into fragments to fill the collectors market. This meteorite is unique, not a CM2, something else, and being a massive daytime fireball with photos and video, kilotons in explosive power on entry, and a California fall as well, one of only 3 and like the others, painfully little material available despite intensive searches by hundreds of people. First come first served for fragments, HAMMER STONE fully documented piece listed in Jeniskens official NASA database of Sutter's Mill stones, #SM14. Don't get scammed, buy this meteorite from the source. Email or call me ASAP 520 743 3007 for pieces, prices and details. There is NOT ENOUGH to last long, so please hurry. We will be sold out of this material tonight without a doubt. Michael Farmer Link: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/meteorite_sale/message/1769 Your telling me that the Hammer Stone hit a garage door? Really how do you prove that? Pictures of the fragment embedded in the garage door? Also I think if a stone hit the side of the garage door, I think it would bounce off and be a few feet from the door, which in that cause you couldnt prove if it hit the door or not. Now please is this really you in the Yahoo Group selling the Hammer Stone at a meteorite that hit a GARAGE DOOR? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weston
Dear List, I am happy to see this discussion, since I have considered asking Mr. Blood for his Weston reference for some time. Dr. Isaac Bronson and Rev. Horace Holley conducted the first expedition to the Weston fall area on 19 December 1807. They described three stones. Professors Silliman and Kingsley beginning on 21 December 1807 conducted the next. Their first report described six stones (including the three above). Their subsequent reports described seven, after the Tashua Hill stone had been found and reported to them by Dr. Bronson. Both expeditions also mentioned the stone that fell into the swamp just south of the Burr homestead. None of these stones impacted any sort of human artifact. I am quite sure there were other stones that were not found. The strewn field is centered on the rugged Mill River valley, now the Easton Reservoir. I have found tantalizing references to a few other stones, but at this point they must remain unproven. But none of them hit artifacts either. There is more than enough misinformation on this historic fall already. Unless documentation can be produced that proves an artifact impact, I suggest referring to Weston as a “hammer” only serves to discredit an author. The total fall mass of Weston is likely to have been on the order of 150 kg, but the Catalogue of Meteorites is in error when describing this figure as the recovered weight. Many of the described stones impacted rock and were reduced to powder or otherwise unrecoverable fragments. Most recoverable Weston was very quickly dispersed by the local inhabitants and lost to science and collectors. This is why, to my knowledge, no published accounting of Weston shows as much 25 kg. Best regards, Monty Robson On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:55 AM, petersche...@rcn.com wrote: Hi, When I have any doubt about a sample I ask about its provenance. If they are are unwilling to give me the info I requested I don't do business with them. Better safe than sorry. Peter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Shawn Alan's provenance for all the
Anne and Listers Long time no chat good to hear from you Anne :) Lets make this more intersting:) Ill just post it on here instead of posting on IMCA Listed NAKHLA Martian/Mars meteorite - 1911 Fall-SUPER RARE! KING OF MARTIAN METEORITES This stuff is the same stuff your selling I think, but if not here I go, I got it from . Drum roll please .. Siegfried Haberer which he told me came from a German scientist. SUTTER’S MILL Meteorite - Ultra Rare CA. USA CM Hammer Fall-April 22, 2011 this is posted in the ad so please look at the ad for who I got it from :) http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUTTER-S-MILL-Meteorite-Ultra-Rare-CA-USA-CM-Hammer-Fall-April-22-2011-/251062588842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3a747f15aa SYLACAUGA meteorite Mrs Hodge meteorite strike - USA - www.MeteoriteFalls.com Came from NEMS and it came with a ID card copy from David New FOREST CITY meteorite 1890 historic fall -1st COURT CASE BATTLE! It posted in my eBay ad look here http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOREST-CITY-meteorite-1890-historic-fall-1st-COURT-CASE-BATTLE-/251062583718?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3a747f01a6 LOST CITY meteorite 1st fireball photo path in USA RARE Thank you Matt Morgan for the lost city meteorite which he got it from Blaine Reed, he has great meteorites that I bought from him. Peña Blanca Spring meteorite rare aubrite 1946 fall - WWW.METEORITEFALLS.COM Look at my ebay post and you will see where it comes from http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pena-Blanca-Spring-meteorite-rare-aubrite-1946-fall-WWW-METEORITEFALLS-COM-/251058811484?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3a7445725c BENARES (a) meteorite fell in 1798 - Hammer Fall! - www.MeteoriteFalls.com Came from NEMS LUCE' meteorite - France 1768 very rare historic fall - 1st analyzed meteorite! Came from NEMS KRASNOJARSK (Pallas Iron) Pallasite meteorite 1749 - www.MeteoriteFalls.com Came from NEMS JILIN meteorite deemed as scientifically important largest stony meteorite! Bought from eBay seller oncomi1 and he told me it came from Lawrence Pawl Collection. Anne Black you have a meteorite at one time was sold by oncomi1 from eBay and this is what you have on your site http://www.impactika.com/catpix/AB1280.jpg . I hope this helps Shawn Alan :))) IMCA 1633 - Original Message - From: Anne Black impact...@aol.com To: photoph...@yahoo.com; m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: fcre...@prodigy.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Weston Well, Shawn, Since you asked And we have had that conversation before. Please post directly to the MetList the provenance for all the specimens you have presently posted on Ebay. Thank you. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net; Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 10:29 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Weston Hello Mike and Listers Mike this is what you said another question, how did you get Benares? Not a gram in India and about 100 or so grams known, Karl has two complete stones from old collections, rest in London. Rarest of the rare. What provenance do you have to offer Benares on eBay? This has been bothering a lot of people for a long time. This is a meteorite considered unobtainable. Can I ask where you obtained it? Are we going to play this game again? Awhile back ago you accused me of having of some other meteorite I had to be m lets put it in a nice way FAKE and this is what you said around September 2011... From: Michael Farmer mike at meteoriteguy.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: ENSISHEIM, DaG400, NWA998, 2008TC3, NAKHLA, L’Aiglel, PALLAS IRON,LA 002, Jilin, Barwell, Siena, Weston, Luce, Abee more ending on eBay! To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, Shawn Alan photophlow at yahoo.com Date: Saturday, September 3, 2011, 11:12 AM Shawn, I am curious, I have pieces of Nakhla, and this Nakhla you are selling does not look like Nakhla. Can you take some clear photos of it, is that crust in the photo? Impossible to tell, but if so, that isnt Nakhla crust. Every Nakhla I have ever seen has the blackest crust possible, so shiny it nearly blinds you, I have been to most of the worlds major museums and that doest look like any of the Nakhlas I seen. I am also curious how you get so much dust and crumbs of the rarest of the rare, Sienne, Laigle, Krasnajarsk, Luce, etc. These meteorites are almost ipossible to come by, and to see you for the last two years selling an endless supply of dust and crumbs has people asking where it is from. Can you let us all know? Michael Farmer Michael this is what ill do cause I am such in deeded to you, why dont
Re: [meteorite-list] Confusing Misleading - (Was: AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan...............)
Let's cut through the semantics. No amount of semantics will change the fact that the phrase Hammer Fall is confusing and misleading. The nomenclature is simple. Hammer = Correct Hammer Fall = Misleading, confusing, and an incorrect use of the term. It's really not that complicated. Regards, Eric On 5/14/2012 10:05 PM, Shawn Alan wrote: I am going to say my words and leave it at that on this Hammer Fall Stone Fall Hammer man made hitting meteorite definition As for the Hammer Stone Fall phase, I guess I did morph it by accident from Michael Bloods phase which is Hammer Fall, for some reason I thought he used Hammer Stone Fall but I checked and its worded as Hammer Fall when a stone from the fall hits a man made object. The Sutter's Mill meteorite fall is a Hammer Fall because one of the stones from that fall hit a man made object. That stone that hit the man made object is called a Hammer Stone, and I can see the confusion and thats why I changed it to Hammer Fall. So by Michael's definition when a meteorite hits a man made object that meteorite fall is a METEORITE HAMMER FALL. Documented Hammer Falls Sylacauge Barbotan L Aigle Weston Park Forest Paltusk Barwell and now Sutter's Mill From Micheal's website 1). Hammer - any individual which is part of a hammer fall in which one or more of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or human. Most of us hammer heads, however, will collect what is available from any hammer fall, though, of course, hammer stones, themselves, will be most valued. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! eric at meteoritesusa.com eric at meteoritesusa.com Mon May 14 13:46:01 EDT 2012 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! * Next message: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi All, The use of the word Hammer when referencing/advertising meteorites, should only be used to describe an actual stone which hit an artifact (man made object). Using the word Hammer or Hammer Fall in advertisements to sell stones that are not actual Hammer-Stones is misleading and confusing, especially to new collectors. It can cause much more confusion later when those pieces are resold to other meteorite collectors because an inexperienced collector may say it is a fragment of a hammer stone, not understanding the difference between the terms hammer stone and hammer fall. An easy remedy for this, is to NEVER use the words Hammer Fall in advertisements. It's misleading, and confusing. Period. Regards, Eric On 5/14/2012 10:10 AM, Anita Westlake wrote: Thanks right, Steve. I own a quarter of a slice from the core from THE meteorite that hit Mrs. Hodges. There is a guy on this list who continues to call his non-hammer Hodges meteorite The Sylacauga stone even after he was reported to the I.M.C.A. for misleading the public. For that reason alone, I will never buy anything from him. Yes, it is part of the Sylacauga fall, but not the house-hitter. I would venture to guess that most of the public would not know the difference, and that's what he's counting on! Anita - Original Message From: meteorhntr at aol.commeteorhntr at aol.com To: Michael Farmermike at meteoriteguy.com; meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com; Shawn Alanphotophlow at yahoo.com Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelistmeteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 11:30:10 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! Mike and all, I agree with you the marketing Such and Such Hammer Fall is very often misleading and if such a term is ever used, I think there should be an obvious express disclaimer that the piece being purchase is NOT from the one that actually hit the object, unless of course there is documentation to prove that it is from that specimen. I would think the F.T.C. would agree. However, I do want to correct you on one thing Dr. King was able to secure a few grams of THE Sylacaga hammer that hit Mrs. Hodges via a core sample taken from it. His records showed it did NOT come from the Smithsonian's specimen but rather the museum that held it back in the 1960's. This was only a few grams total and was sold to the market back in 1999. The provenance should be strong with those pieces, and that data should have been passed on for the lucky few that have a piece. Personally I would think they should have a very
Re: [meteorite-list] Confusing Misleading - (Was: AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan...............)
I agree, a 'fall' cannot be a hammer, only a single stone can be, so it should always be a 'hammer stone' - GregS -Original Message- From: Meteorite-Hunting.com Sent: 15 May 2012 18:15:20 GMT To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Confusing Misleading - (Was: AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan...) Let's cut through the semantics. No amount of semantics will change the fact that the phrase Hammer Fall is confusing and misleading. The nomenclature is simple. Hammer = Correct Hammer Fall = Misleading, confusing, and an incorrect use of the term. It's really not that complicated. Regards, Eric On 5/14/2012 10:05 PM, Shawn Alan wrote: I am going to say my words and leave it at that on this Hammer Fall Stone Fall Hammer man made hitting meteorite definition As for the Hammer Stone Fall phase, I guess I did morph it by accident from Michael Bloods phase which is Hammer Fall, for some reason I thought he used Hammer Stone Fall but I checked and its worded as Hammer Fall when a stone from the fall hits a man made object. The Sutter's Mill meteorite fall is a Hammer Fall because one of the stones from that fall hit a man made object. That stone that hit the man made object is called a Hammer Stone, and I can see the confusion and thats why I changed it to Hammer Fall. So by Michael's definition when a meteorite hits a man made object that meteorite fall is a METEORITE HAMMER FALL. Documented Hammer Falls Sylacauge Barbotan L Aigle Weston Park Forest Paltusk Barwell and now Sutter's Mill From Micheal's website 1). Hammer - any individual which is part of a hammer fall in which one or more of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or human. Most of us hammer heads, however, will collect what is available from any hammer fall, though, of course, hammer stones, themselves, will be most valued. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! eric at meteoritesusa.com eric at meteoritesusa.com Mon May 14 13:46:01 EDT 2012 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! * Next message: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi All, The use of the word Hammer when referencing/advertising meteorites, should only be used to describe an actual stone which hit an artifact (man made object). Using the word Hammer or Hammer Fall in advertisements to sell stones that are not actual Hammer-Stones is misleading and confusing, especially to new collectors. It can cause much more confusion later when those pieces are resold to other meteorite collectors because an inexperienced collector may say it is a fragment of a hammer stone, not understanding the difference between the terms hammer stone and hammer fall. An easy remedy for this, is to NEVER use the words Hammer Fall in advertisements. It's misleading, and confusing. Period. Regards, Eric On 5/14/2012 10:10 AM, Anita Westlake wrote: Thanks right, Steve. I own a quarter of a slice from the core from THE meteorite that hit Mrs. Hodges. There is a guy on this list who continues to call his non-hammer Hodges meteorite The Sylacauga stone even after he was reported to the I.M.C.A. for misleading the public. For that reason alone, I will never buy anything from him. Yes, it is part of the Sylacauga fall, but not the house-hitter. I would venture to guess that most of the public would not know the difference, and that's what he's counting on! Anita - Original Message From: meteorhntr at aol.commeteorhntr at aol.com To: Michael Farmermike at meteoriteguy.com; meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com; Shawn Alanphotophlow at yahoo.com Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelistmeteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 11:30:10 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! Mike and all, I agree with you the marketing Such and Such Hammer Fall is very often misleading and if such a term is ever used, I think there should be an obvious express disclaimer that the piece being purchase is NOT from the one that actually hit the object, unless of course there is documentation to prove that it is from that specimen. I would think the F.T.C. would agree. However, I do want to correct you on one thing Dr. King was able to secure a few grams of THE
[meteorite-list] meteorites, state of our world etc...
Dear list I am really enjoying following this forum for many years now. I also have to say, that it is a great mirror of what is going on on our Earth, in our World... with the crisis, the $$$ being more and more important etc... etc... Just glad I didn't become too crazy about Meteorites, I mean for the prices... and the quite new trend and kind of mainstream gold rush feel. I really want to thank everyone here that continues to discuss about Meteorites in a spiritual, metaphysical way. Because, beyond the human greed... the meteorites are much more... soo much more... don't you agree ?! Last sunday, I was in an abandoned ex-Royal Quarry in France, a quarry opened up by Louis the 14th. I was with a friend, we found some amazing looking rocks (shape and feel) ,some are fossils or dendrites or both... ... they are worth... a couple $$$... but so MUCH in feel and joy ! Here my 2 cents... in a world which is somehow loosing track to what really matters... feelings, roots, our human condition... etc... Regards Michael B. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites, state of our world etc...
I agree that the financial aspect of meteorites is difficult, yet who is going to pay the expenses of hunters like myself who often risk life or at least thousands to tens of thousands of dollars to go around the world and bring them back? If those who don't like the prices want to fund my trips up front, taking the same risks I take, perhaps to lose all their money, the I will send you my bank account # to prepay for your specimens up front. Of course if I don't get any or get robbed then you Lose all your money, any takers? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Dear list I am really enjoying following this forum for many years now. I also have to say, that it is a great mirror of what is going on on our Earth, in our World... with the crisis, the $$$ being more and more important etc... etc... Just glad I didn't become too crazy about Meteorites, I mean for the prices... and the quite new trend and kind of mainstream gold rush feel. I really want to thank everyone here that continues to discuss about Meteorites in a spiritual, metaphysical way. Because, beyond the human greed... the meteorites are much more... soo much more... don't you agree ?! Last sunday, I was in an abandoned ex-Royal Quarry in France, a quarry opened up by Louis the 14th. I was with a friend, we found some amazing looking rocks (shape and feel) ,some are fossils or dendrites or both... ... they are worth... a couple $$$... but so MUCH in feel and joy ! Here my 2 cents... in a world which is somehow loosing track to what really matters... feelings, roots, our human condition... etc... Regards Michael B. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Confusing Misleading - (Was: AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan...............)
Of course, who wants to pay extra for one of thousands of Forest City stones because one might have hit something? When you offer me such a thing, it had better be documented to be from the one which went through the roof! Otherwise it is just another piece. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree, a 'fall' cannot be a hammer, only a single stone can be, so it should always be a 'hammer stone' - GregS -Original Message- From: Meteorite-Hunting.com Sent: 15 May 2012 18:15:20 GMT To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Confusing Misleading - (Was: AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan...) Let's cut through the semantics. No amount of semantics will change the fact that the phrase Hammer Fall is confusing and misleading. The nomenclature is simple. Hammer = Correct Hammer Fall = Misleading, confusing, and an incorrect use of the term. It's really not that complicated. Regards, Eric On 5/14/2012 10:05 PM, Shawn Alan wrote: I am going to say my words and leave it at that on this Hammer Fall Stone Fall Hammer man made hitting meteorite definition As for the Hammer Stone Fall phase, I guess I did morph it by accident from Michael Bloods phase which is Hammer Fall, for some reason I thought he used Hammer Stone Fall but I checked and its worded as Hammer Fall when a stone from the fall hits a man made object. The Sutter's Mill meteorite fall is a Hammer Fall because one of the stones from that fall hit a man made object. That stone that hit the man made object is called a Hammer Stone, and I can see the confusion and thats why I changed it to Hammer Fall. So by Michael's definition when a meteorite hits a man made object that meteorite fall is a METEORITE HAMMER FALL. Documented Hammer Falls Sylacauge Barbotan L Aigle Weston Park Forest Paltusk Barwell and now Sutter's Mill From Micheal's website 1). Hammer - any individual which is part of a hammer fall in which one or more of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or human. Most of us hammer heads, however, will collect what is available from any hammer fall, though, of course, hammer stones, themselves, will be most valued. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! eric at meteoritesusa.com eric at meteoritesusa.com Mon May 14 13:46:01 EDT 2012 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! * Next message: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi All, The use of the word Hammer when referencing/advertising meteorites, should only be used to describe an actual stone which hit an artifact (man made object). Using the word Hammer or Hammer Fall in advertisements to sell stones that are not actual Hammer-Stones is misleading and confusing, especially to new collectors. It can cause much more confusion later when those pieces are resold to other meteorite collectors because an inexperienced collector may say it is a fragment of a hammer stone, not understanding the difference between the terms hammer stone and hammer fall. An easy remedy for this, is to NEVER use the words Hammer Fall in advertisements. It's misleading, and confusing. Period. Regards, Eric On 5/14/2012 10:10 AM, Anita Westlake wrote: Thanks right, Steve. I own a quarter of a slice from the core from THE meteorite that hit Mrs. Hodges. There is a guy on this list who continues to call his non-hammer Hodges meteorite The Sylacauga stone even after he was reported to the I.M.C.A. for misleading the public. For that reason alone, I will never buy anything from him. Yes, it is part of the Sylacauga fall, but not the house-hitter. I would venture to guess that most of the public would not know the difference, and that's what he's counting on! Anita - Original Message From: meteorhntr at aol.commeteorhntr at aol.com To: Michael Farmermike at meteoriteguy.com; meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com; Shawn Alanphotophlow at yahoo.com Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelistmeteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 11:30:10 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! Mike and all, I agree with you the marketing Such and
Re: [meteorite-list] Shawn Alan's provenance for all the
Mike Famer This is what Mike F said I thought you got the Nakhla from Bonhams? Or is this a different piece, because the larger fragment you were selling looked nothing like Nakhla Are you me Do I need to tell you every time I buy a meteorite, NO? The large Nakhla fragment you keep telling the list that is not a Nakhla, IS a Nakhla. I bought the 1.04g from here, http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19371/lot/3172/ and I have it posted on here which I took the image of it http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/get_original_photo.php?recno=5654965 which is the same fragment with out a doubt from Bonhams. That fragment 1.04g is stil whole, nothing has been chipped off and will stay whole. The Nakhla I have for sale on ebay right now is from Siegfried Haberer which he told me came from a German scientist. Please Mike do your home work. Mike Farm said this... Just because you bought a sample from someone does not mean that Everything you offer is from that sample. What, I am confused by that? I buy stuff from more people beside NEMS and all my stuff comes with COA from where it came from. I have delt with A list Meteorite Dealers and they know who they are :). Mike Farmer said this I am still not convinced. Your evasiveness suggests something is amiss Really? I have a question for you can you PROVE that the Sutter's Mill meteorite that you say is a HAMMER STONE hit a garage door? Was it found embedded in the garage door? Did someone see it hit the door? Did it make a hole and was found in the garage? Other then that how can you prove it hit the garage door? Please tell the List in detail of this events that took place when this supposedly Sutter's Mill Hammer Stone hit a garage door? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: Anne Black impact...@aol.com; fcre...@prodigy.net fcre...@prodigy.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Shawn Alan's provenance for all the I thought you got the Nakhla from Bonhams? Or is this a different piece, because the larger fragment you were selling looked nothing like Nakhla. Perhaps NEMS can confirm the samples you are selling are the same as he sold you, seems like either you turned a NEMS micro into endless micros, or some other look-alike material keeps finding it's way into your eBay sales. Just because you bought a sample from someone does not mean that Everything you offer is from that sample. I am still not convinced. Your evasiveness suggests something is amiss. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Anne and Listers Long time no chat good to hear from you Anne :) Lets make this more intersting:) Ill just post it on here instead of posting on IMCA Listed NAKHLA Martian/Mars meteorite - 1911 Fall-SUPER RARE! KING OF MARTIAN METEORITES This stuff is the same stuff your selling I think, but if not here I go, I got it from . Drum roll please .. Siegfried Haberer which he told me came from a German scientist. SUTTER’S MILL Meteorite - Ultra Rare CA. USA CM Hammer Fall-April 22, 2011 this is posted in the ad so please look at the ad for who I got it from :) http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUTTER-S-MILL-Meteorite-Ultra-Rare-CA-USA-CM-Hammer-Fall-April-22-2011-/251062588842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3a747f15aa SYLACAUGA meteorite Mrs Hodge meteorite strike - USA - www.MeteoriteFalls.com Came from NEMS and it came with a ID card copy from David New FOREST CITY meteorite 1890 historic fall -1st COURT CASE BATTLE! It posted in my eBay ad look here http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOREST-CITY-meteorite-1890-historic-fall-1st-COURT-CASE-BATTLE-/251062583718?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3a747f01a6 LOST CITY meteorite 1st fireball photo path in USA RARE Thank you Matt Morgan for the lost city meteorite which he got it from Blaine Reed, he has great meteorites that I bought from him. Peña Blanca Spring meteorite rare aubrite 1946 fall - WWW.METEORITEFALLS.COM Look at my ebay post and you will see where it comes from http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pena-Blanca-Spring-meteorite-rare-aubrite-1946-fall-WWW-METEORITEFALLS-COM-/251058811484?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3a7445725c BENARES (a) meteorite fell in 1798 - Hammer Fall! - www.MeteoriteFalls.com Came from NEMS LUCE' meteorite - France 1768 very rare historic fall - 1st analyzed meteorite! Came from NEMS KRASNOJARSK (Pallas Iron) Pallasite meteorite 1749 - www.MeteoriteFalls.com Came from NEMS JILIN meteorite deemed as scientifically important largest stony meteorite! Bought from eBay seller oncomi1 and he told me it came from Lawrence Pawl Collection. Anne Black you have a meteorite at one time was sold by
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites, state of our world etc...
I totally agree! This comes up all the time...that meteorites are so under valued. The cost of travel and living expense often exceeds what value is placed on stones. I broke near even on my first trip to Lotus based on my sales...partly thanks to mike. Lost my arse on second trip. So, overall, the loss has to be made up somewhere! Very tough to show a real profit, no matter what business plan i've dreamed up without an additional source of income. Jim Wooddell T-Mobile. America's First Nationwide 4G Network Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I agree that the financial aspect of meteorites is difficult, yet who is going to pay the expenses of hunters like myself who often risk life or at least thousands to tens of thousands of dollars to go around the world and bring them back? If those who don't like the prices want to fund my trips up front, taking the same risks I take, perhaps to lose all their money, the I will send you my bank account # to prepay for your specimens up front. Of course if I don't get any or get robbed then you Lose all your money, any takers? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Dear list I am really enjoying following this forum for many years now. I also have to say, that it is a great mirror of what is going on on our Earth, in our World... with the crisis, the $$$ being more and more important etc... etc... Just glad I didn't become too crazy about Meteorites, I mean for the prices... and the quite new trend and kind of mainstream gold rush feel. I really want to thank everyone here that continues to discuss about Meteorites in a spiritual, metaphysical way. Because, beyond the human greed... the meteorites are much more... soo much more... don't you agree ?! Last sunday, I was in an abandoned ex-Royal Quarry in France, a quarry opened up by Louis the 14th. I was with a friend, we found some amazing looking rocks (shape and feel) ,some are fossils or dendrites or both... ... they are worth... a couple $$$... but so MUCH in feel and joy ! Here my 2 cents... in a world which is somehow loosing track to what really matters... feelings, roots, our human condition... etc... Regards Michael B. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Confusing Misleading - (Was: AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan...............)
With all this fuss I'm surprised nobody offered to buy that garage door and take it off it's hinges and cut it up into pieces. Howard Wu Bishop, CA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] coloma witnesses
Hi Folks, I'm going back to Coloma on Friday and staying for another week. While I am there I would like to interview some witnesses in Coloma and surrounding areas. Very few witnesses from near/inside the strewnfield submitted reports to the AMS and it would be good to get these reports. When I do the interview, I usually use a tripod, inclinometer and GPS compass. This allows me to capture the azimuth and elevation angles for the beginning and ending points as accurately as possible. Any data I gather I will submit to the AMS site and it will be publicly available. I want to do these interviews in an attempt to improve the information we have on the trajectory. If you have any good witness reports from people you met in the field, who actually saw the fireball or smoke trail please consider passing on the witnesses contact info to me off list. A name and email or phone number for each witness would be great. Thanks, Mike __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites, state of our world etc...
Sorry Michael ! I wasn't talking about YOUR approach... and the real meteorite seekers, lovers, like you... but about the frenzy gold rush in general. Which we can all see thru the too numerous ebay offers and other ludicrous aspects in the last months... all the best ! Michael B. -- From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 8:35 PM To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites, state of our world etc... I agree that the financial aspect of meteorites is difficult, yet who is going to pay the expenses of hunters like myself who often risk life or at least thousands to tens of thousands of dollars to go around the world and bring them back? If those who don't like the prices want to fund my trips up front, taking the same risks I take, perhaps to lose all their money, the I will send you my bank account # to prepay for your specimens up front. Of course if I don't get any or get robbed then you Lose all your money, any takers? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Dear list I am really enjoying following this forum for many years now. I also have to say, that it is a great mirror of what is going on on our Earth, in our World... with the crisis, the $$$ being more and more important etc... etc... Just glad I didn't become too crazy about Meteorites, I mean for the prices... and the quite new trend and kind of mainstream gold rush feel. I really want to thank everyone here that continues to discuss about Meteorites in a spiritual, metaphysical way. Because, beyond the human greed... the meteorites are much more... soo much more... don't you agree ?! Last sunday, I was in an abandoned ex-Royal Quarry in France, a quarry opened up by Louis the 14th. I was with a friend, we found some amazing looking rocks (shape and feel) ,some are fossils or dendrites or both... ... they are worth... a couple $$$... but so MUCH in feel and joy ! Here my 2 cents... in a world which is somehow loosing track to what really matters... feelings, roots, our human condition... etc... Regards Michael B. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sylacauga
Hi List: I purchased half a core slice from Steve Arnold who sold The King Collection for the widow. King had the core cut from THE HUMAN HAMMER STONE. You can further confirm this with Steve Arnold (the real One - not Chicago Steve Arnold. I also, much later sold some of the NON-hammerstone Material from the Smithsonian. Bother were clearly noted As was the difference in price I write because an old buyer had been confused by some Statements made on the list. I have ALWAYS been clear in my hammer catalogs which Specimens were actual hammer stones and which were specimens of A hammer fall and several years ago I pointed out at the top of the Page that collectors should be aware of same: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers1.html http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers2.html Warm regards, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Confusing Misleading - (Was: AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan...............)
Sales of all hammered garage doors are hereby suspended until further notice! -- --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 5/15/12, Howard Wu freewu2...@yahoo.com wrote: With all this fuss I'm surprised nobody offered to buy that garage door and take it off it's hinges and cut it up into pieces. Howard Wu Bishop, CA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD- 54 Great Auctions Ending!
Dear List Members, I have 54 great auctions ending in about 3 or 4 hours so please take a look if you can spare a few moments. All were started at just 99 cents with no reserve so many bargains will be had. I also loaded a few new items in my store. Link to all auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/raremeteorites!/m.html Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Kind Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] coloma witnesses
Dan, Thanks yes I did see the video. Very awesome. I've been able to do some work utilizing the topographic features of google earth and mapping them to the pictures, but there's still a good bit of uncertainty. With regard to the picture and video, what we really need to do is get out to these 2 locations (North Reno for Lisa South of Fresno for the video) with a DSLR camera, tripod and a clear night. Then take an astrophoto recreating the same field of view as was used in the fireball images, but also capturing stars in the image. We could then stretch out the 2 sets of photos in photoshop so that the mountain and ground features line up. At that point we would have very nice AZ EL readings for both of these photos. I'm working with someone now who is trying to get these calibration photos done, but he has limited time and it might take him a month or more to get it done. So.. if anyone is near reno or fresno and would like to help out with this effort please LMK. Based on the witness reports I've reviewed so far, I believe there is a bit of northern tilt to the trajectory. My hope is that by interviewing witnesses close to coloma, we maybe able to confirm this. Any witness contacts will be put to good use, so please send them to me, if you got em. Thanks, Mike On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Dan Miller dannysp...@gmail.com wrote: Mike did you see the video made by some kayakers near brush creek near the kern river? On May 15, 2012 12:49 PM, Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, I'm going back to Coloma on Friday and staying for another week. While I am there I would like to interview some witnesses in Coloma and surrounding areas. Very few witnesses from near/inside the strewnfield submitted reports to the AMS and it would be good to get these reports. When I do the interview, I usually use a tripod, inclinometer and GPS compass. This allows me to capture the azimuth and elevation angles for the beginning and ending points as accurately as possible. Any data I gather I will submit to the AMS site and it will be publicly available. I want to do these interviews in an attempt to improve the information we have on the trajectory. If you have any good witness reports from people you met in the field, who actually saw the fireball or smoke trail please consider passing on the witnesses contact info to me off list. A name and email or phone number for each witness would be great. Thanks, Mike __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Weston Hammer reference?
Dear List, This morning Mal Bishop offered the following as a reference for Weston being a “hammer”: “At least one stone hit a building during the Weston Fall according to Nininger's, Find A Falling Star -- reference the 1st page of Chapter One ( The Path Behind ), 3rd paragraph, last sentence.” Mr. Bishop is correct, just as he says, Nininger does say “A little stone struck a nearby building and rolled away into the grass.” There is no question that Prof. Nininger made wonderful contributions to meteoritics, including being a founder of what today is the Meteoritical Society. But this is just another example of fiction posing as fact in the literature of Weston. Nininger opens his autobiography with Weston and devotes the entire first page (page 3) to the observations of “a certain Judge Wheeler”, but he does not document any of this. Nathan Wheeler was Silliman and Kingsley’s star witness of the Weston event. If a piece had fallen nearby Wheeler, would have read about it in their reports. Isaac Bronson goes further and specifically says that Wheeler did not hear the whizzing of the stones since he was so far from where any fell. I must conclude, in the absence of further documentation, that Weston is not a “hammer”. Best regards, Monty On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Mal Bishop wrote: At least one stone hit a building during the Weston Fall according to Nininger's, Find A Falling Star -- reference the 1st page of Chapter One ( The Path Behind ), 3rd paragraph, last sentence. Mal On 5/15/2012 2:00 AM, Shawn Alan wrote: I ment BENARES (a) :) as for Weston I love that stone cause its the first meteorite fall in the new world and help put Yale and America in the limelight of science in the international scene. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? - Original Message - From: Frank Cressyfcre...@prodigy.net To: Shawn Alanphotoph...@yahoo.com; Meteorite Centralmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:46 AM Subject: Weston Shawn, Please show me the reference that Weston hit some manmade object. I've never run across that and didn't see it in Silliman and Kingsley's report. I think that it's on Michael Blood's site but believe he's in error. Thanks, Frank - Original Message From: Shawn Alanphotoph...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite Centralmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 10:05:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! I am going to say my words and leave it at that on this Hammer Fall Stone Fall Hammer man made hitting meteorite definition As for the Hammer Stone Fall phase, I guess I did morph it by accident from Michael Bloods phase which is Hammer Fall, for some reason I thought he used Hammer Stone Fall but I checked and its worded as Hammer Fall when a stone from the fall hits a man made object. The Sutter's Mill meteorite fall is a Hammer Fall because one of the stones from that fall hit a man made object. That stone that hit the man made object is called a Hammer Stone, and I can see the confusion and thats why I changed it to Hammer Fall. So by Michael's definition when a meteorite hits a man made object that meteorite fall is a METEORITE HAMMER FALL. Documented Hammer Falls Sylacauge Barbotan L Aigle Weston Park Forest Paltusk Barwell and now Sutter's Mill From Micheal's website 1). Hammer - any individual which is part of a hammer fall in which one or more of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or human. Most of us hammer heads, however, will collect what is available from any hammer fall, though, of course, hammer stones, themselves, will be most valued. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] coloma witnesses
Dan, I can't say with much certainty right now. The trajectory Jake came up with is the best guess right now and I do think it is very close to reality. However, based on some witness reports and also analysis of the 2 videos I think there could be a 5-10º tilt toward the north as opposed to a straight E-W track. Take this with a grain of salt though because I can not prove this right now. Thanks, Mike On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Dan Miller dannysp...@gmail.com wrote: Mike if you will get a map the community of loomis is directly west of coloma to the north would you say that the trajectory line is heading towards loomis or north of loomis of course this line is north of mark fries trajectory line almost in line with highway 49 before it turns north On May 15, 2012 2:10 PM, Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, Thanks yes I did see the video. Very awesome. I've been able to do some work utilizing the topographic features of google earth and mapping them to the pictures, but there's still a good bit of uncertainty. With regard to the picture and video, what we really need to do is get out to these 2 locations (North Reno for Lisa South of Fresno for the video) with a DSLR camera, tripod and a clear night. Then take an astrophoto recreating the same field of view as was used in the fireball images, but also capturing stars in the image. We could then stretch out the 2 sets of photos in photoshop so that the mountain and ground features line up. At that point we would have very nice AZ EL readings for both of these photos. I'm working with someone now who is trying to get these calibration photos done, but he has limited time and it might take him a month or more to get it done. So.. if anyone is near reno or fresno and would like to help out with this effort please LMK. Based on the witness reports I've reviewed so far, I believe there is a bit of northern tilt to the trajectory. My hope is that by interviewing witnesses close to coloma, we maybe able to confirm this. Any witness contacts will be put to good use, so please send them to me, if you got em. Thanks, Mike On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Dan Miller dannysp...@gmail.com wrote: Mike did you see the video made by some kayakers near brush creek near the kern river? On May 15, 2012 12:49 PM, Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, I'm going back to Coloma on Friday and staying for another week. While I am there I would like to interview some witnesses in Coloma and surrounding areas. Very few witnesses from near/inside the strewnfield submitted reports to the AMS and it would be good to get these reports. When I do the interview, I usually use a tripod, inclinometer and GPS compass. This allows me to capture the azimuth and elevation angles for the beginning and ending points as accurately as possible. Any data I gather I will submit to the AMS site and it will be publicly available. I want to do these interviews in an attempt to improve the information we have on the trajectory. If you have any good witness reports from people you met in the field, who actually saw the fireball or smoke trail please consider passing on the witnesses contact info to me off list. A name and email or phone number for each witness would be great. Thanks, Mike __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Strewn Field for Lotus / Columa area
Just did another update. Removed SM5 http://k7wfr.us/sm Jim __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD LOT TAZA
hello all i have a lot TAZA for sale at good price ,PM me for more détails all the best -- Rachid Chaoui IMCA # 4157 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD 508g HED
Hello all i have one pieces HED broken weigt 508 g feel free to contacte me if you are interested best regards -- Rachid Chaoui IMCA # 4157 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL Micros - WITH FUSION CRUST!
Hi all, I've just returned from my third and final trip from the Sutter's Mill Strewn field in Coloma, California. Since the fall three weeks ago I have had the opportunity to help acquire specimens that will end up in at least three institutions of higher learning. Those being ASU, UNM and Mike Farmer told just me this morning that he'll donate ( to UofA) a few small specimens that I found and sold to him on the first day of the hunt. I have only a few small Sutter's Mill specimens to sell and then I'll be done. These came from specimens that I purchased in the field. These were then broken so that ASU (or other University) could peer into the interior of the stone - without pesky fusion crust in the way. The result is that most of the fragments I have for sale have lots of fusion crust as scientists don't often like to look at the exterior of a newly fallen meteorite. Each fragment will be shipped in a small specimen jar and will include a card from me with the SM# so that you'll know the exact meteorite and find local your micro came from! Please add $5.00 for shipping. Call or email with questions! 602 481 9780 All WITH crust on one side! 0.0090 - $20 0.0110 - $21 0.0114 - $22 0.0130 - $24 0.0143 - $25 0.0144 - $28 0.0161 - $30 0.0191 - $33 0.0226 - $35 0.0235 - $40 0.0252 - $45 0.0273 - $50 0.0279 - $58 All WITHOUT crust. 0.0104 - $20 0.0110 - $20 0.0164 - $24 0.0183 - $28 0.0555 - $100 - Fragments and dust -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: www.MrMeteorite.com Articles: www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites, state of our world etc...
To be honest, I would consider doing this with an experienced hunter such as yourself. It wouldn't be too dissimilar to buying shares in a startup company. This may be a simple way of looking at it, but it could work something like this; A new fall occurs somewhere and it's going to cost roughly $10,000 to hunt (Just an example, I have no idea of the actual costs involved). As you are the one putting your time, personal risk and expertise into the hunt, the $10,000 represents only 50% of the total resources used. So, if I invested the whole $10,000 and you recovered 10KG of material, it would be split 5KG each way. Now $10,000 might be to much for any one person to want to risk on the venture or come up with up front, so you could offer smaller shares at a more affordable price. The $10,000/50% stake could be offered in 50X 1% shares. Each investor would only receive 100 grams of the 10KG in this scenario, but they would have only risked $200 (plus postage and handling, if the hunt is successful) and you've still received 50% of the meteorites without any of the capital expenditure. I'm positive there's aspects I haven't considered, so please critique it. On 5/16/12, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I agree that the financial aspect of meteorites is difficult, yet who is going to pay the expenses of hunters like myself who often risk life or at least thousands to tens of thousands of dollars to go around the world and bring them back? If those who don't like the prices want to fund my trips up front, taking the same risks I take, perhaps to lose all their money, the I will send you my bank account # to prepay for your specimens up front. Of course if I don't get any or get robbed then you Lose all your money, any takers? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Dear list I am really enjoying following this forum for many years now. I also have to say, that it is a great mirror of what is going on on our Earth, in our World... with the crisis, the $$$ being more and more important etc... etc... Just glad I didn't become too crazy about Meteorites, I mean for the prices... and the quite new trend and kind of mainstream gold rush feel. I really want to thank everyone here that continues to discuss about Meteorites in a spiritual, metaphysical way. Because, beyond the human greed... the meteorites are much more... soo much more... don't you agree ?! Last sunday, I was in an abandoned ex-Royal Quarry in France, a quarry opened up by Louis the 14th. I was with a friend, we found some amazing looking rocks (shape and feel) ,some are fossils or dendrites or both... ... they are worth... a couple $$$... but so MUCH in feel and joy ! Here my 2 cents... in a world which is somehow loosing track to what really matters... feelings, roots, our human condition... etc... Regards Michael B. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteor-samples-donated-to-ua-lab
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Re: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL Micros - WITH FUSION CRUST!
Hi all, Sold a bunch here's what's left. All WITH crust on one side! 0.0090 - $20 0.0143 - $25 0.0144 - $28 0.0161 - $30 0.0191 - $33 0.0252 - $45 0.0273 - $50 All WITHOUT crust. 0.0104 - $20 0.0110 - $20 0.0164 - $24 Each fragment will be shipped in a small specimen jar and will include a card from me with the SM# so that you'll know the exact meteorite and find local your micro came from! Please add $5.00 for shipping. Call or email with questions! 602 481 9780 -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: www.MrMeteorite.com Articles: www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weston Hammer reference?
Dear Listees and Innocent Bystanders, A few words about the jargon used to describe the so-called hammer meteorites... When I first entered the hobby, back in 2007, if you searched the internet for meteorites that had struck things, you would inevitably land on Michael Blood's website or a small handful of other meteorite dealers. The term hammer simply does not exist in any official nomenclature used by scientists or academia. Hammer is part of a terminology used by the esoteric and niche community of meteorite collectors. Collectors who focus primarily or exclusively on hammers are even more scarce. Since there are so few of us (I consider myself a hammerhead), it shouldn't be hard to find some agreement on the terminology used to describe meteorites that strike people or constructs made by people. Some would include animals as accepted targets for hammer meteorites - horse, cow, dog, termite, chupacabra, etc. So, when I first entered the hobby, I used Michael Blood's definition of hammer and I read through each and every description on every page of his catalog. I learned that a meteorite which strikes the target is a hammer stone or simply hammer. A good example is Claxton. One stone. It struck a mailbox. It was documented. What are the freakin chances that a single stone from a main belt asteroid would wallop of mailbox in rural Georgia? That is awesome. I want a piece of that! And that is how a hammer collector thinks. It gets the imagination going and inspires of sense of awe at the sprawling randomness of the cosmos. Like a kid skipping rocks across a vast lake, the forces of creation and chaos skipped a rock across the void and it landed in a Georgia mailbox. Less than 10 years later something similar happened and a Chevy Malibu was mortally wounded by a single stone from space. (and I wanted a piece of that car-smasher also!) Thankfully for collectors, Claxton and Peekskill are available on the collector's market in small macro or micro type part slices and fragments. Neither fall is considered unobtainium. In both cases, there was a single stone (known) that struck something manmade. Those stones are hammers or hammer stones. Period. I don't think any interested collector would argue that. By extension those falls like Claxton and Peekskill could also be called hammer falls. The term hammer fall does not appear in any official nomenclature used by the Meteoritical Society. In addition, that term does not exist in any academic or scientific publication. So, the term is open to interpretation by default. Unless someone is going to come forward and assert themselves as the King of Hammers, the best we can hope for (as a group of collectors) is to use language that is clear, concise, and effective in conveying the necessary information to the curious collector. Is it necessary for every last collector or dealer to use the same terminology to describe their specimens? No, with the condition that the words they use in describing their specimens are not intentionally vague or misleading. I think it may be argued, therefore, that Claxton or Peekskill could be referred to by four different terms, each of which are valid but have varying degrees of acceptance. 1) FALL - this is the word that science and academia uses to describe any meteorite that was witnessed to fall to Earth. This holds true whether the meteorite hits a dentist's office or falls across undeveloped farmland or desert. This is also the word used most commonly by the media, authors, and others who write about meteorites. 2) WITNESSED FALL - this word is used widely by private dealers and collectors. It is also used casually on rare occasion by academics and appears in some literature of the field. 3) HAMMER FALL - this word is used by some private collectors and dealers to refer to a meteorite fall (or witnessed fall) that strikes a person, artificial construct, edifice, or in some cases, an animal (typically a mammal, single-celled organisms need not apply). If we include diatoms as valid targets, then every meteorite slams into the ocean is a hammer because it will invariably kill some living organism. Note - the criteria that defines what qualifies as a valid target for hammerhood has already been argued to death on this List previously, on more than one occasion. Let us not assault that dead horse again. Suffice to say, for the sake of this argument, Claxton and Peekskill can be referred to as hammer falls. 4) HAMMER - obviously, this is short casual speak for a hammer fall. Claxton and Peekskill (as fall events) could be called hammers. The meteorite specimens (as objects) could also be referred to as hammers. Besides these two obvious and relatively-recent examples of hammer falls, we also have some meteorite falls that involved multiple stones and multiple targets that were struck. One very recent example of such a fall is Park Forest. I won't repeat what is already documented in
[meteorite-list] University of Arizona press conference today.
http://www.uanews.org/node/47273 Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL Micros - ALL SOLD!!!
Thanks to everyone who called or emailed. All specimens sold very quickly! -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: www.MrMeteorite.com Articles: www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hammer Talk
If there's one thing I never tire of on the Meteorite List, it's the fascinating, seemingly never-ending discussion of what does and does not constitute a hammer stone. It never gets old. You have semantics, definitions, degrees of hammerness, lively arguments over what is or is not a man-made object. Passionate manifestos are issued. The meteorite world splits into factions and alliances are formed. Tempers flare, innuendos are hurled, dramatic outbursts and character assassinations are the order of the day. Finally a truce and working definition are hammered out, allowing more time for everyone to discuss the latest antics of their favorite dealers. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Talk
Hammer time - you can't touch this :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIHAkqCls4A Shawn Alan ebay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ [meteorite-list] Hammer Talk JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Wed May 16 00:39:53 EDT 2012 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL Micros - ALL SOLD!!! * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] If there's one thing I never tire of on the Meteorite List, it's the fascinating, seemingly never-ending discussion of what does and does not constitute a hammer stone. It never gets old. You have semantics, definitions, degrees of hammerness, lively arguments over what is or is not a man-made object. Passionate manifestos are issued. The meteorite world splits into factions and alliances are formed. Tempers flare, innuendos are hurled, dramatic outbursts and character assassinations are the order of the day. Finally a truce and working definition are hammered out, allowing more time for everyone to discuss the latest antics of their favorite dealers. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum * Previous message: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL Micros - ALL SOLD!!! * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
