Re: [meteorite-list] What killed the woolly mammoth? A whole bunch ofthings
What killed the woolly mammoth? That's only a small part of the tangle of the Proboscideans. The Woolly Mammoth evolved from the Steppe Mammoth about 250,000 years ago, and the Steppe Mammoth evolved from the Ancestral Mammoths about 700,000 years ago. The Ancestral Mammoths appear about 2.5-3.0 million years before that --- in Sub-Sarahan Africa! You have to admit Africa is a strange place for Woolly Mammoths to trace their family tree from, the Asian Elephants and Mammoths spitting off at about the time. The Mammoths are related to the Mastodons who appear 28 million years ago and covered every continent except Antarctica and Australia. The South American Mastodons lasted until 9000 years ago, but North American Mastodons (equally "woolly") died out about 12,000 years ago, very like the Mammoths themselves. The causes cannot be same, despite the fact that the timeline is so similar, as Mammoths and Mastodons have different diets, need different terrain, environment, and climate, but they disappeared together One thing stands out, though: each successive Mammoth species was smaller than the one before it, ending with the Wrangel Mammoths who are no longer considered "dwarf;" they were about 2 meters at the shoulder. (Mediterranean Dwarf Mammoths were tiny, about the size of a Saint Bernard dog.) Scores of genera of "giant" mammals vanished from North America at the same time, with nothing much in common except that a) they were big, and b) there were suddenly humans in the neighborhood. The climate change argument is a poor one, as the climate of North America had been cycling through the usual changes of an Ice Age for some millions of years. And Man The Mighty Hunter doesn't convince me either. On the other hand, Man The Massive Environmental Changer might convince me, but there's no evidence of that in North American 12,000 years ago. Similar arguments have been raging about the megafaunal extinctions in Australia, the theory being that the massive environmental change was caused by the human use of fire, not hunting. That's been the big theory in Australia for decades, but now chronometric cores say the megafauna disappeared before fire increased, so they are back to the Mighty Hunter theory. See, they don't need a Dryas to generate lots of controversy. Poor Mammoths! Everything just ganged up on them all at once, I guess. Is that the current consensus? Did anyone ever considered that mere Giantism itself could be a self-defeating evolutionary strategy? In the long run, I mean. Giantism has been around for hundreds of millions of years, so there are lots of arguments for what a good idea it is. I think that's because we humans are always impressed by sheer bigness (Jurassic Park Syndrome). So why were the Mammoths "trying" to get small? There are so many things a "giant" can't do. It can't climb trees; it can't fly; it can't burrow; it can't live in the hills -- it doesn't function well in anything but flat terrain. There is a huge "investment" in huge individuals and their numbers are limited by that. Their range of "livable" conditions is very narrow. That's always a "giant" risk. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: "Paul H." To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:49 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] What killed the woolly mammoth? A whole bunch ofthings What killed the woolly mammoth? A whole bunch of things, scientists say, Christian Science Monitor, June 12, 2012, http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2012/0612/What-killed-the-woolly-mammoth-A-whole-bunch-of-things-scientists-say.-video Woolly Mammoth Extinction Has Lessons for Modern Climate Change, ScienceDaily, June 12, 2012 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/06/120612144809.htm Many factors in extinction of mammoths, SBS, June 12, 2012, http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1658619/Many-factors-in-extinction-of-mammoths Study: Many factors in mammoth extinction, UPI.com, June 12, 2012 http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2012/06/12/Study-Many-factors-in-mammoth-extinction/UPI-96671339529828/?spt=hs&or=sn The paper is: MacDonald, G. M., D. W. Beilman, Y. V. Kuzmin, L. A. Orlova, K. V. Kremenetski, B. Shapiro, R. K. Wayne, and B. Van Valkenburgh, 2012, Pattern of extinction of the woolly mammoth in Beringia. Nature Communications, 2012 DOI: 10.1038/ncomms1881 http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v3/n6/full/ncomms1881.html Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hammer fall term (flogging the dead horse with wild abandon)
Mike G, Regina and Listers Mike G I have to commend you on the explanation on the term Hammer stone and Hammer Fall and Micheal Blood puts it best at this link http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MMT.html Since I been collecting those terms have been in use. I fell the both come in hand in hand. You can not have one with out the other in those terms and I agree by adding that term to a meteorite can add value. Historic history adds value to a meteorite. Rarity adds value. Even nick names have added value to meteorites. At the end of the day, people collect Hammer Stones and people collect meteorites from Hammer Falls and just because some people on the List do not collect Hammer Stones or Hammer Fall's, does not mean they have the right to say it is non since, silly, or useless word cause scientists do not use that term. But again, people are entitled to their own opinion and people are aloud to collect meteorites as they see fit for their collection. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term (flogging the dead horse with wild abandon) Michael Gilmer meteoritemike at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 22:04:45 EDT 2012 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2012, latest news * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Gang, Flogging dead equines is my specialty, along with waking sleeping canines. ;) This is long. Those who are tired of this discussion, please hit your delete button now. I'm not saying that every person who uses the term "hammer fall" is 100% innocent of marketing gimmicks. I cannot speak for every dealer, just myself. I use the term. I have used it for years. One of the first things that really interested me about collecting was - different types and hammers. When I was new, I tried to amass a complete type collection. That is a common error many newbies make, because we don't realize what an expensive and difficult process it is to complete a type collection that includes all rare types. So, I eventually abandoned the type collecting and moved over to hammers. I love hammers. I won't pretend to love them as much as Captain Blood, but his website and enthusiasm did influence me. And thanks to the internet, a wealth of information is available about all meteorite falls, including hammers. I couldn't get enough hammers, and I still can't completely slake my thirst for meteorites that hit things. I won't rest until I have a piece of Lorton.and Grimsby.and so on. Both of those are unattainable at the moment. But given patience, some portion of those specimens (especially Lorton) may be traded out into the private market - Just like the core section of the Hodges stone from Sylacauga. But I digress. My point is, some of us use the term "hammer fall" to express the following information : 1) the meteorite in question is a fall, and not a find. 2) the fall is an event where one or more stones struck a manmade construct or a living thing. Having said that, if the fall is not a single-stone event, then other stones from that same fall may have hit nothing of consequence. They might have fallen in a field, in a forest, in a desert, on a mountainside, etc. Those stones are *not* hammer stones and should never be referred to as such. The stone(s) that actually did strike something manmade (or living) are "hammer stones". If *any* stone from a fall strikes something manmade (or living), then that fall is a "hammer fall" and all stones from that fall can be referred to as originating from a "hammer fall". However, as stated before, only the actual stones that hit something manmade or living are "hammer stones". This is a simple concept and I don't see where all the confusion arises from. Maybe as a collector and dealer I am too close to the forest to see the trees on this one. I cannot go back in time and look at this as a newbie would. Let's use one of the most famous hammer falls as an example here - Sylacauga. Sylacauga is a hammer fall. It is also a witnessed fall. Given the fact that it set legal precedents and is the best documented case of a human being struck, it may one day be referred to as a "historical fall". But I think the term "historical" is premature for Sylacauga. Let's wait another 50 years or so and then revisit the historical debate for this one. The Hodges stone is a hammer stone. The stone found by Julius McKinney is *not* a hammer stone. Both stones originate from a hammer fall. The usage of the hammer fall phrase does not bestow hammer stone status upon the McKinney stone. The McKinney stone will never be a hammer stone, regardless of what term is used to describe the Sylacauga meteorite fall. We can call it a fall, a witnessed fall, a hammer fall, or late for dinner - but the Hodges stone will always be t
[meteorite-list] Fayetteville, AR H4 help needed
Hello List, I have an opportunity to do an institutional trade and possibly get some Fayetteville Arkansas H4 in exchange. Here is my challenge: what is a fair value on this material? Here is the info on it, 2.36 kg was recovered from a witnessed fall on December 26, 1934 (2 stones I think). Very little has ever made it into private collections, and little has made it to very many institutional collections as well. And yet while it has a humble "H4" classification, it is a regolith breccia and there has been a stack load of research done on this rock. While we hear the term "regolith breccia" used with howardites and Lunars a lot, I am not sure how many ordinary chondrites get this honor of being from the very surface of an asteriod's crust? Maybe Bernd can help with the exhaustive list. In any case, this is no ordinary ordinary chondrite, but just how extraordinary is it? And how would some guess the market would value such a rock? My fear is in both either over valuing it or in under valuing it. I want to be fair in the trade. In any case, we are only talking about a few grams here, so I am not looking at the need to liquidating kilos of the stuff if I should be fortunate enough to get some.Any input is greatly appreciated. Steve Arnold Of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] "Is there any religion that invites.... (Burnham's Meteorites?)
Hi Dan, Mal, and List, After further thought, I think I can answer my own question. Those meteorites are probably scattered to the four winds. Burnham's final years were spent in near-poverty. He was living in a tiny flat and spent most of his time in Balboa Park painting cats and trying to sell those paintings. He probably sold off the meteorites to pay bills and buy food. Although, I did recall one way I might be able to find out. I have to send a couple of emails, and I'll share what I learn. Best regards, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 6/12/12, Dan Miller wrote: > If he didn't have a will and beneficiary it went to probate and ended > up at auction somewhere. One needs to find his probate attorney or > living trust executor. > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Mal Bishop > wrote: >> Looks like he's holding a specimen in his hand as well, yes? >> >> I'd love to know of the disposition of his collection as well. >> >> I like you, Mike, would give a portion of my anatomy for one of Robert >> Burnham's >> meteorite samples as well. If you or anyone has a clue please keep me in >> the loop as well PLEASE! >> >> After Kevin whetted my appetite when announcing he was selling his set of >> Burnham's Celestial Handbook ( I missed out on the ones he was selling), >> I went directly to eBay and purchased a hardcover set in very good >> condition >> to add to my library. Don't know why I hadn't purchased a set long, long >> ago. >> As much as I love astronomy and books, it just defies me why I didn't >> have >> Robert's work in my collection till now. >> >> Regards, >> Mal >> >> >> On 6/12/2012 11:59 AM, Michael Gilmer wrote: >>> >>> Hi List, >>> >>> One last thing about this Burnham article. If you go to the bottom of >>> the first page, there is a link to part two of the article. The photo >>> at the top of part two shows Burnham in his "lab", surrounded by his >>> eclectic collection. In the center is a white cabinet similar to a >>> medicine cabinet. This cabinet is filled with meteorite specimens. >>> You can clearly see them and their specimen cards. There also appears >>> to be more specimens laying on the top of the cabinet. >>> >>> Does anyone know which meteorites these are? And does anyone know >>> where these meteorites are now. I would give my right arm for one of >>> these specimens with Burnham provenance. If anyone knows where I can >>> acquire one of these, please contact me off-list and let me know. >>> Such a specimen would have very special meaning for me. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> MikeG >>> >>> >> >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Has anyone purchased from this website: http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside.asp
Has anyone purchased specimens from this website and dealer (http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside.asp)? Some interesting specimens, but some of the images I recognize from other dealer's websites. Thanks, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term (flogging the dead horse with wild abandon)
Hi Gang, Flogging dead equines is my specialty, along with waking sleeping canines. ;) This is long. Those who are tired of this discussion, please hit your delete button now. I'm not saying that every person who uses the term "hammer fall" is 100% innocent of marketing gimmicks. I cannot speak for every dealer, just myself. I use the term. I have used it for years. One of the first things that really interested me about collecting was - different types and hammers. When I was new, I tried to amass a complete type collection. That is a common error many newbies make, because we don't realize what an expensive and difficult process it is to complete a type collection that includes all rare types. So, I eventually abandoned the type collecting and moved over to hammers. I love hammers. I won't pretend to love them as much as Captain Blood, but his website and enthusiasm did influence me. And thanks to the internet, a wealth of information is available about all meteorite falls, including hammers. I couldn't get enough hammers, and I still can't completely slake my thirst for meteorites that hit things. I won't rest until I have a piece of Lorton.and Grimsby.and so on. Both of those are unattainable at the moment. But given patience, some portion of those specimens (especially Lorton) may be traded out into the private market - Just like the core section of the Hodges stone from Sylacauga. But I digress. My point is, some of us use the term "hammer fall" to express the following information : 1) the meteorite in question is a fall, and not a find. 2) the fall is an event where one or more stones struck a manmade construct or a living thing. Having said that, if the fall is not a single-stone event, then other stones from that same fall may have hit nothing of consequence. They might have fallen in a field, in a forest, in a desert, on a mountainside, etc. Those stones are *not* hammer stones and should never be referred to as such. The stone(s) that actually did strike something manmade (or living) are "hammer stones". If *any* stone from a fall strikes something manmade (or living), then that fall is a "hammer fall" and all stones from that fall can be referred to as originating from a "hammer fall". However, as stated before, only the actual stones that hit something manmade or living are "hammer stones". This is a simple concept and I don't see where all the confusion arises from. Maybe as a collector and dealer I am too close to the forest to see the trees on this one. I cannot go back in time and look at this as a newbie would. Let's use one of the most famous hammer falls as an example here - Sylacauga. Sylacauga is a hammer fall. It is also a witnessed fall. Given the fact that it set legal precedents and is the best documented case of a human being struck, it may one day be referred to as a "historical fall". But I think the term "historical" is premature for Sylacauga. Let's wait another 50 years or so and then revisit the historical debate for this one. The Hodges stone is a hammer stone. The stone found by Julius McKinney is *not* a hammer stone. Both stones originate from a hammer fall. The usage of the hammer fall phrase does not bestow hammer stone status upon the McKinney stone. The McKinney stone will never be a hammer stone, regardless of what term is used to describe the Sylacauga meteorite fall. We can call it a fall, a witnessed fall, a hammer fall, or late for dinner - but the Hodges stone will always be the sole hammer stone from this event. I think we are the ones making this complicated and we are creating the very problem we are debating by splitting hairs and nitpicking the semantics. Is there really a problem with people being duped into paying more than they should for a specimen because a dealer used the term hammer-fall? How many people have been duped by this? Who are they? Where are they? Is there someone reading this who can come forward and say - "YES, I was ripped off by a dealer who sold me a specimen from a "hammer fall" and I was led to believe that I was getting a piece of the actual hammer-stone, when I actually got a piece of a stone that struck nothing." I know there are some people who are adamantly opposed to the usage of "hammer fall". Mike Farmer has clearly stated that he hates the term and has nothing but disdain for it and those who use it. That much is clear. A few others on this List have also stated their opposition to the term. The opposition has stated that the term is misleading at best and that people (newbies?) will be confused by the term. Ok. I get that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But who is being tricked or confused? Where are the victims of this crime? Yes, someone could be confused by the term. People get confused by lots of things. For example, writers and media people love to confuse "meteor" with "meteorite". We have all seen numerous examples of people confusing th
[meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2012, latest news
ENSISHEIM METEORITE 2012 LATEST NEWS (June 12, 2012) - Dear meteorite friends, Here you will find some latest info regarding the 2012 show that starts in less than 3 days. --- SHOW THEME (DRAVEIL FALL): Alain Carion will briefly describe in his ~30 min. lecture some of the most important meteorites falls in history, from Abylos to Draveil. The definite title of his talk is From the Greek Ampholos to the Draveil meteorite fall Regarding the display of Draveil, 2 different samples will be shown in separate windows, with explanation panels. One will contain the ~125 g mass found by Pierre-Marie Pelé and Albert Jambon, independently from the stone that struck the house of Mrs Martine Comette (who will also attend the show). The other window will display one of the most aesthetic Draveil individuals from the NH museum in Paris, a mass of 1.97 kg. So far, Paris owns 3 stones, weighing 1.97, 0.087 and 0.081 kg, plus a fourth stone of about 5 kg (main mass) that is not officialized yet (as per June 2). This corrects the descriptive § in the flyer that suggested that the main mass was the 125 g stone owned by Pelé/Jambon. Rumors suggest that possibly Draveil pieces or fragments could be available for sale during the Ensisheim and/or Ste Marie shows. If this is true, we, organizers wish to solemnly recall that, to date, not any single stone or fragment of Draveil is available for sale anywhere. In case Draveil pieces are offered for sale at some tables in Ensisheim, they must be formally and duly authenticated by scientists and referenced on the basis of data available from the Meteoritical Society. In short, frauds are always possible, namely it is suspected that some NWA samples (or alike) could be presented for sale as Draveil. In case of doubt, please refer to the organizing and or expertized scientific committee present at the show. FRIDAY DINNER PARTY The traditional Friday Dinner Party starts at 20:00 on the main square, inside the large tent, thus almost in the open air. The WEATHER FORECAST seems favorable for an outside dinner. Today, on Tuesday June 12, the official forecast is as follows: Thursday: 24°C, cloudy, dry Friday: 27°C, possible local scattered thunderstorms on evening. Saturday: 27°C, sunny, scattered thunderstorms possible Sunday: 29°C, sunny The week after: from 25 to 28°C, slightly stormy, cloudy, partly sunny, 15% chances of rain. MEALS 3 meals (appetizer + main dish + dessert (cooks surprise) available, on request and reservation (flexible). All is selectively prepared by the owner of the nearby restaurant "Le Boeuf Rouge". Change! The main dish is vegetarian, or poultry (thinned chicken), or thinned PORK in white sauce (NOT BEEF !) . This year indeed, the chef wished to replace the traditional beef by the above pork special. Those who reserved beef are free to change the menu. Please notify me ASAP! SATURDAY DINNER The Saturday dinner (not official but strongly recommended to all participants) can either take part on the main "dancing" square, or anywhere else. For those who wish to go to the nearby restaurant "Le Boeuf Rouge" located on the other side of the church, please tell me ASAP. Today, we learned that because many festivities are scheduled in the Ensisheim city and around, the restaurant could be crowded, so it is strongly suggested to reserve. EXIBITION/ACTIVITIES related to the show theme 1) Thematic display (METEORITES IN HISTORY) The traditional meteorite display will not take place in the main Regency museum room but within the adjacent miners museum (door left after the main entrance). The main room will contain authentic Neolithic objects, various tools and memorabilia that must rest there for 3 months. The genuine Ensisheim meteorite (53.831 kg) will also enlighten the miners museum room. As said above, 2 special windows will contain the 2 pieces of DRAVEIL, along with detailed explanation panels. Dr Alain Carion, Prof Albert Jambon, M. Pierre-Merie Pelé, and Mme M. Comette will be around for comments. 2) Display of samples donated to the Guardians Confraternity This specific window will not be set up this year, basically for lack of samples. The few meteorite samples that have been generously donated to the Regency museum by some of the past and also freshly enthroned visitors, are still awaiting for some more colleagues that are planned to be donated since some time, so as to complete a decent display. Last year, a call from the Ensisheim Guardians to people who wish to express their gratitude for being enthroned to leave some symbolic (or valuable) gift (preferably a meteorite), still holds. By being enthroned, the confraternity of Guardians leaves as a trace, a nominative diploma certifying the official nomination as Brother Guardian, along with a symbolic plate (
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term
Well, I'm referring to an overall suspicious odour when it comes to "hammer falls" on sales pages. It is so imprecise - as many other things related to it. What comes to my mind right now is that I downloaded a small jpg once from a website on hammers when I started getting interested in the historic side of meteorites. I was new to the subject and took the picture as a genuine photograph of a man from the New Concord area sitting on a dead colt which seemed to be collateral damage. I researched my arse off only to find out that the photo is not related and the incident most likely never happened. The unreliability of the New Concord horse kill has been discussed several times on the list in the meantime, yet the picture is still on the website. I hear you say these things are completely unrelated, and perhaps they are. And in the end this might all be peanuts even. Actually, right now, I ask myself what the heck I'm doing here. I actually enjoy doing the detective work on which account is true and which is doubtful! But why anyone actively wants to play a part in the confusion other than to cash in is a mystery to me. Enough said, Best wishes, Regine > > Von: Michael Gilmer >An: Regine P. >CC: Meteorite List >Gesendet: 20:20 Dienstag, 12.Juni 2012 >Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term > >Hi Regine, > >I can't argue that point. I can only say that we (as meteorite buffs) >should do our best to educate the newbies, or make resources available >that will educate the newbies. I think many of us do that. I also >think we could do better if we really tried. But I don't think >everyone who uses the term "hammer fall" is engaging in marketing or >trying to mislead people for financial gain. Maybe some dealers do >that. If they do, I don't agree with that and they should stop. But >the term "hammer fall" probably isn't going away, and if it does, it >will be replaced by another term that means the same thing. > >And we can't excuse people for making rash purchases. The buyer does >bear some responsibility to educate themselves before spending money >on a meteorite (or anything). I guess this gets back to some of the >most fundamental lessons of collecting things. Do one's homework. >Buyer beware. Know your seller. Check references (or feedback). :) > >Best regards, > >MikeG > >-- >--- >Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG > >Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com >Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 >--- > > >On 6/12/12, Regine P. wrote: >> But what if said police chief won the lottery and would like to purchase the >> crumbs because the thing fell in his town? >> Of course the term is not that confusing to meteorite buffs, but to new >> collectors or people who just want to own the one rock from space. >> >> Cheers, Regine >> >> >> >> - Ursprüngliche Message - >>> Von: Michael Gilmer >>> An: Regine P. >>> CC: Meteorite List >>> Gesendet: 19:27 Dienstag, 12.Juni 2012 >>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term >>> >>> Hi Regine, >>> >>> I agree in principle with what you are saying here, I really do. No >>> meteorite fall should ever be pigeon-holed or categorized solely >>> because a stone struck something, and therefore that stone has a >>> higher financial value. That completely defeats the purpose of >>> collecting meteorites. >>> >>> Let me clarify a few of the points you raised : >>> >>> " agree with the "hammer fall" term being misleading, and so far >>> haven't met anyone who is very fond of it except those who actually see it as a market opportunity." >>> >>> I know of several collectors who use it, and they are not dealers and >>> have no financial interest in using the term "hammer fall". Before I >>> became a dealer, I was using it to describe my personal specimens. I >>> still use it because of what it means to me, and some other >>> collectors, not because it is marketing. Maybe others use it for >>> marketing purposes - I would not argue against that. >>> >>> "On the flip side I have met a few who were seriously confused by the term: The Sylacauga police chief for example, who sent me a link to an Ebay auction, thinking the speck pictured was a piece of the rock which hit Mrs. Hodges " >>> >>> I would expect our dear police chief to be confused - he is not a >>> meteorite collector, he is a policeman. Police officers use lots of >>> terminology that is confusing to people who are not a part of the >>> law-enforcement community. Criminals are often referred to as >>> "actors" - that is confusing to me. Is a man a bank robber, or is he >>> pretending to be one? >>> >>> " "Hammer fall" on the other hand is simply a sales term which does the opposit
[meteorite-list] AD - Many Auctions Ending In A Few Hours
Dear List Members, Just a quick note to let you know I have 54 great auction ending in a few hours. Plenty of bargains on hand so you may want to take a look if you can spare a few moments. Link to all auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/raremeteorites!/m.html Thank you for looking, Kindest Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Burnham's Celestial Handbook
Hi Brend, Leslie Peltier was, in a small way, responsible for getting me interested in astronomy & meteorites. My mother grew up down the road from him in Delphos, Ohio. He would show the local kids his new discoveries, my mother was one of the kids. Her interest in the heavens was passed down to me. It was not until later that I discovered that "the guy down the road" was Leslie Peltier. On day I was reading Starlight Nights and my mother saw the author's name. After that I was very jealous of the views she had thru his telescope. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bernd V. Pauli Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:02 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Burnham's Celestial Handbook Hello List, Burnham's Celestial Handbook trilogy has always been as essential to me as O.R. Norton's RFS (I,II) and his Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites. Another very inspirational and motivating booklet that I can highly recommend is "Starlight Nights, The Adventures of a Star-Gazer" by Leslie C. Peltier* (1965). * see also: Leslie Peltier remembered, S&T, 1980, Aug, pp. 104-105. Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What killed the woolly mammoth? A whole bunch of things
What killed the woolly mammoth? A whole bunch of things, scientists say, Christian Science Monitor, June 12, 2012, http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2012/0612/What-killed-the-woolly-mammoth-A-whole-bunch-of-things-scientists-say.-video Woolly Mammoth Extinction Has Lessons for Modern Climate Change, ScienceDaily, June 12, 2012 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/06/120612144809.htm Many factors in extinction of mammoths, SBS, June 12, 2012, http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1658619/Many-factors-in-extinction-of-mammoths Study: Many factors in mammoth extinction, UPI.com, June 12, 2012 http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2012/06/12/Study-Many-factors-in-mammoth-extinction/UPI-96671339529828/?spt=hs&or=sn The paper is: MacDonald, G. M., D. W. Beilman, Y. V. Kuzmin, L. A. Orlova, K. V. Kremenetski, B. Shapiro, R. K. Wayne, and B. Van Valkenburgh, 2012, Pattern of extinction of the woolly mammoth in Beringia. Nature Communications, 2012 DOI: 10.1038/ncomms1881 http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v3/n6/full/ncomms1881.html Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Burnham's Celestial Handbook
Hello List, Burnham's Celestial Handbook trilogy has always been as essential to me as O.R. Norton's RFS (I,II) and his Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites. Another very inspirational and motivating booklet that I can highly recommend is "Starlight Nights, The Adventures of a Star-Gazer" by Leslie C. Peltier* (1965). * see also: Leslie Peltier remembered, S&T, 1980, Aug, pp. 104-105. Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] "Is there any religion that invites.... (Burnham's Meteorites?)
If he didn't have a will and beneficiary it went to probate and ended up at auction somewhere. One needs to find his probate attorney or living trust executor. On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Mal Bishop wrote: > Looks like he's holding a specimen in his hand as well, yes? > > I'd love to know of the disposition of his collection as well. > > I like you, Mike, would give a portion of my anatomy for one of Robert > Burnham's > meteorite samples as well. If you or anyone has a clue please keep me in > the loop as well PLEASE! > > After Kevin whetted my appetite when announcing he was selling his set of > Burnham's Celestial Handbook ( I missed out on the ones he was selling), > I went directly to eBay and purchased a hardcover set in very good condition > to add to my library. Don't know why I hadn't purchased a set long, long > ago. > As much as I love astronomy and books, it just defies me why I didn't have > Robert's work in my collection till now. > > Regards, > Mal > > > On 6/12/2012 11:59 AM, Michael Gilmer wrote: >> >> Hi List, >> >> One last thing about this Burnham article. If you go to the bottom of >> the first page, there is a link to part two of the article. The photo >> at the top of part two shows Burnham in his "lab", surrounded by his >> eclectic collection. In the center is a white cabinet similar to a >> medicine cabinet. This cabinet is filled with meteorite specimens. >> You can clearly see them and their specimen cards. There also appears >> to be more specimens laying on the top of the cabinet. >> >> Does anyone know which meteorites these are? And does anyone know >> where these meteorites are now. I would give my right arm for one of >> these specimens with Burnham provenance. If anyone knows where I can >> acquire one of these, please contact me off-list and let me know. >> Such a specimen would have very special meaning for me. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA's Undersea Mission Submerges in the Atlantic
June 11, 2012 Joshua Buck Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1100 jb...@nasa.gov Brandi Dean Johnson Space Center, Houston 281-483-5111 brandi.k.d...@nasa.gov RELEASE: 12-194 NASA'S UNDERSEA MISSION SUBMERGES IN THE ATLANTIC HOUSTON -- An international crew of aquanauts is settling into its home on the ocean floor, where the team will spend 12 days testing concepts for a potential asteroid mission. The expedition is the 16th excursion of the NASA Extreme Environment Mission Operations (NEEMO). The crew of four began its mission in the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Aquarius Reef Base undersea research habitat off the coast of Key Largo, Fla., at 11:04 a.m. EDT Monday. NEEMO sends groups of astronauts, engineers and scientists to live in the Aquarius lab, 63 feet below the surface of the Atlantic Ocean. The laboratory is located in the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary. For NASA, Aquarius provides a convincing simulation to space exploration, and NEEMO crew members experience some of the same tasks and challenges under water that they would in space. The NEEMO 16 mission will focus on three areas related to asteroid missions. The crew of aquanauts will investigate communication delays, restraint and translation techniques, and optimum crew size. The isolation and microgravity environment of the ocean floor allows the NEEMO 16 crew to study and test concepts for how future exploration of asteroids might be conducted. NASA's Orion spacecraft and the Space Launch System rocket, which currently are in development, will allow people to begin exploring beyond the boundaries of Earth's orbit. The first human mission to an asteroid is planned for 2025. NEEMO 16 Commander Dottie Metcalf-Lindenburger of NASA will be joined by European Space Agency astronaut Timothy Peake; Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency astronaut Kimiya Yui; and Steven W. Squyres, Goldwin Smith professor of astronomy at Cornell University and chairman of the NASA Advisory Council. Squyres also was a member of NEEMO 15. The NEEMO crew members will be chronicling their mission using several social media outlets, blogs and live video streams from the crews' helmets, the air lock and outside the habitat. For additional information on the mission and links to the various ways to connect with NEEMO, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/neemo The NEEMO mission is sponsored by NASA's Advanced Exploration Systems Program, which is made up of small projects aimed at rapidly developing and demonstrating prototype systems for future human spaceflight missions. Projects that are part of the program will help reduce risk, lower cost and test concepts for future human missions beyond Earth's orbit. For more information on Advanced Exploration Systems and Autonomous Mission Operations, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/directorates/heo/aes/index.html -end- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] S. Curry's case
For your information. Mr Curry's case is going to court on August 23. If anyone of you have received any emails from him, please forward them to Blaine Reed at brmeteori...@yahoo.com. He will forward them to the District Attorney handling this case. Thank you. (and No, not to me, I am going to the Ensisheim Show) Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term
Hi Regine, I can't argue that point. I can only say that we (as meteorite buffs) should do our best to educate the newbies, or make resources available that will educate the newbies. I think many of us do that. I also think we could do better if we really tried. But I don't think everyone who uses the term "hammer fall" is engaging in marketing or trying to mislead people for financial gain. Maybe some dealers do that. If they do, I don't agree with that and they should stop. But the term "hammer fall" probably isn't going away, and if it does, it will be replaced by another term that means the same thing. And we can't excuse people for making rash purchases. The buyer does bear some responsibility to educate themselves before spending money on a meteorite (or anything). I guess this gets back to some of the most fundamental lessons of collecting things. Do one's homework. Buyer beware. Know your seller. Check references (or feedback). :) Best regards, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 6/12/12, Regine P. wrote: > But what if said police chief won the lottery and would like to purchase the > crumbs because the thing fell in his town? > Of course the term is not that confusing to meteorite buffs, but to new > collectors or people who just want to own the one rock from space. > > Cheers, Regine > > > > - Ursprüngliche Message - >> Von: Michael Gilmer >> An: Regine P. >> CC: Meteorite List >> Gesendet: 19:27 Dienstag, 12.Juni 2012 >> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term >> >> Hi Regine, >> >> I agree in principle with what you are saying here, I really do. No >> meteorite fall should ever be pigeon-holed or categorized solely >> because a stone struck something, and therefore that stone has a >> higher financial value. That completely defeats the purpose of >> collecting meteorites. >> >> Let me clarify a few of the points you raised : >> >> " agree with the "hammer fall" term being misleading, and so far >> haven't met >>> anyone who is very fond of it >>> except those who actually see it as a market opportunity." >> >> I know of several collectors who use it, and they are not dealers and >> have no financial interest in using the term "hammer fall". Before I >> became a dealer, I was using it to describe my personal specimens. I >> still use it because of what it means to me, and some other >> collectors, not because it is marketing. Maybe others use it for >> marketing purposes - I would not argue against that. >> >> "On the flip >>> side I have met a few who were seriously confused by the term: The >>> Sylacauga police chief for example, who sent me a link to an Ebay >>> auction, thinking the speck pictured was a piece of the rock which hit >>> Mrs. Hodges " >> >> I would expect our dear police chief to be confused - he is not a >> meteorite collector, he is a policeman. Police officers use lots of >> terminology that is confusing to people who are not a part of the >> law-enforcement community. Criminals are often referred to as >> "actors" - that is confusing to me. Is a man a bank robber, or is he >> pretending to be one? >> >> " "Hammer fall" on the other hand is simply a sales term which >>> does the opposite of creating historical awareness: It completely >>> overshadows all the other aspects (historical or other) of a meteorite >>> shower." >> >> I suppose it could, for some people. I don't see it that way. >> >> " I'd find it fairly irritating if anyone used the term >> "L'Aigle >>> hammer fall", because one of the pieces (presumably) hit a man on the >>> arm. " >> >> I agree 100%. In my mind, L'Aigle is a "historical fall" if one >> must >> label it. L'Aigle will always have supreme importance that goes far >> beyond anything (or person) that may have been struck by a stone. Of >> course, it's still a "hammer fall" to some collectors, but I think >> most hammer-heads would agree that L'Aigle is a fall of great >> historical importance first, and a "hammer fall" in the least. >> >> " A more recent example is Sutter's Mill - is it an important fall >>> because one of the rocks struck a garage door? " >> >> Indeed not. Sutter's Mill is not defined as a hammer, and never >> should be. But, to some collectors, the stone that struck Officer >> Matin's garage has additional value because it did strike a mandmade >> construct. Of course, this additional value is entirely secondary to >> the real value of the fall, which is scientific first, cultural >> second, and hammer a distant third (if at all). >> >> I agree completely with your sentiment here. But to say that a >> segment of the collector community is engaging solely in shameless
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term
But what if said police chief won the lottery and would like to purchase the crumbs because the thing fell in his town? Of course the term is not that confusing to meteorite buffs, but to new collectors or people who just want to own the one rock from space. Cheers, Regine - Ursprüngliche Message - > Von: Michael Gilmer > An: Regine P. > CC: Meteorite List > Gesendet: 19:27 Dienstag, 12.Juni 2012 > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term > > Hi Regine, > > I agree in principle with what you are saying here, I really do. No > meteorite fall should ever be pigeon-holed or categorized solely > because a stone struck something, and therefore that stone has a > higher financial value. That completely defeats the purpose of > collecting meteorites. > > Let me clarify a few of the points you raised : > > " agree with the "hammer fall" term being misleading, and so far > haven't met >> anyone who is very fond of it >> except those who actually see it as a market opportunity." > > I know of several collectors who use it, and they are not dealers and > have no financial interest in using the term "hammer fall". Before I > became a dealer, I was using it to describe my personal specimens. I > still use it because of what it means to me, and some other > collectors, not because it is marketing. Maybe others use it for > marketing purposes - I would not argue against that. > > "On the flip >> side I have met a few who were seriously confused by the term: The >> Sylacauga police chief for example, who sent me a link to an Ebay >> auction, thinking the speck pictured was a piece of the rock which hit >> Mrs. Hodges " > > I would expect our dear police chief to be confused - he is not a > meteorite collector, he is a policeman. Police officers use lots of > terminology that is confusing to people who are not a part of the > law-enforcement community. Criminals are often referred to as > "actors" - that is confusing to me. Is a man a bank robber, or is he > pretending to be one? > > " "Hammer fall" on the other hand is simply a sales term which >> does the opposite of creating historical awareness: It completely >> overshadows all the other aspects (historical or other) of a meteorite >> shower." > > I suppose it could, for some people. I don't see it that way. > > " I'd find it fairly irritating if anyone used the term > "L'Aigle >> hammer fall", because one of the pieces (presumably) hit a man on the >> arm. " > > I agree 100%. In my mind, L'Aigle is a "historical fall" if one > must > label it. L'Aigle will always have supreme importance that goes far > beyond anything (or person) that may have been struck by a stone. Of > course, it's still a "hammer fall" to some collectors, but I think > most hammer-heads would agree that L'Aigle is a fall of great > historical importance first, and a "hammer fall" in the least. > > " A more recent example is Sutter's Mill - is it an important fall >> because one of the rocks struck a garage door? " > > Indeed not. Sutter's Mill is not defined as a hammer, and never > should be. But, to some collectors, the stone that struck Officer > Matin's garage has additional value because it did strike a mandmade > construct. Of course, this additional value is entirely secondary to > the real value of the fall, which is scientific first, cultural > second, and hammer a distant third (if at all). > > I agree completely with your sentiment here. But to say that a > segment of the collector community is engaging solely in shameless and > misleading marketing because we choose to use a certain term to > describe a fall is not true. We can strike the term "hammer fall" > from human memory forever, and that does not change the fact that a > Sutter's Mill stone struck a garage, or a Park Forest stone penetrated > a house. Somebody will come along and create another term to > delineate such falls from a fall like Tamdakt that fell in a remote > area. That new term may or may not sound like "hammer fall", but the > meaning will be the same. And people would then argue over the > semantics of it. > > Best regards, > > MikeG > -- > --- > Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG > > Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > --- > > > > On 6/12/12, Regine P. wrote: >> Sorry to come up with the subject >> matter again, but I keep thinking about this every now and then and >> would like to add my two cents on it this time. >> >> I agree with the "hammer fall" term being misleading, and so far > haven't met >> anyone who is very fond of it >> except those who actually see it as a market opportunity. On the flip >> side I have met a few who were seriously confused by the term: The >>
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term
Hi Regine, I agree in principle with what you are saying here, I really do. No meteorite fall should ever be pigeon-holed or categorized solely because a stone struck something, and therefore that stone has a higher financial value. That completely defeats the purpose of collecting meteorites. Let me clarify a few of the points you raised : " agree with the "hammer fall" term being misleading, and so far haven't met > anyone who is very fond of it > except those who actually see it as a market opportunity." I know of several collectors who use it, and they are not dealers and have no financial interest in using the term "hammer fall". Before I became a dealer, I was using it to describe my personal specimens. I still use it because of what it means to me, and some other collectors, not because it is marketing. Maybe others use it for marketing purposes - I would not argue against that. "On the flip > side I have met a few who were seriously confused by the term: The > Sylacauga police chief for example, who sent me a link to an Ebay > auction, thinking the speck pictured was a piece of the rock which hit > Mrs. Hodges " I would expect our dear police chief to be confused - he is not a meteorite collector, he is a policeman. Police officers use lots of terminology that is confusing to people who are not a part of the law-enforcement community. Criminals are often referred to as "actors" - that is confusing to me. Is a man a bank robber, or is he pretending to be one? " "Hammer fall" on the other hand is simply a sales term which > does the opposite of creating historical awareness: It completely > overshadows all the other aspects (historical or other) of a meteorite > shower." I suppose it could, for some people. I don't see it that way. " I'd find it fairly irritating if anyone used the term "L'Aigle > hammer fall", because one of the pieces (presumably) hit a man on the > arm. " I agree 100%. In my mind, L'Aigle is a "historical fall" if one must label it. L'Aigle will always have supreme importance that goes far beyond anything (or person) that may have been struck by a stone. Of course, it's still a "hammer fall" to some collectors, but I think most hammer-heads would agree that L'Aigle is a fall of great historical importance first, and a "hammer fall" in the least. " A more recent example is Sutter's Mill - is it an important fall > because one of the rocks struck a garage door? " Indeed not. Sutter's Mill is not defined as a hammer, and never should be. But, to some collectors, the stone that struck Officer Matin's garage has additional value because it did strike a mandmade construct. Of course, this additional value is entirely secondary to the real value of the fall, which is scientific first, cultural second, and hammer a distant third (if at all). I agree completely with your sentiment here. But to say that a segment of the collector community is engaging solely in shameless and misleading marketing because we choose to use a certain term to describe a fall is not true. We can strike the term "hammer fall" from human memory forever, and that does not change the fact that a Sutter's Mill stone struck a garage, or a Park Forest stone penetrated a house. Somebody will come along and create another term to delineate such falls from a fall like Tamdakt that fell in a remote area. That new term may or may not sound like "hammer fall", but the meaning will be the same. And people would then argue over the semantics of it. Best regards, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 6/12/12, Regine P. wrote: > Sorry to come up with the subject > matter again, but I keep thinking about this every now and then and > would like to add my two cents on it this time. > > I agree with the "hammer fall" term being misleading, and so far haven't met > anyone who is very fond of it > except those who actually see it as a market opportunity. On the flip > side I have met a few who were seriously confused by the term: The > Sylacauga police chief for example, who sent me a link to an Ebay > auction, thinking the speck pictured was a piece of the rock which hit > Mrs. Hodges (it was instead part of the one found by Julius McKinney, > which has an interesting story by itself and, as far as I'm concerned, > deserves more attention than a footnote). > > I'm quite keen on the stories > behind hammer stones and the idea that something ancient from out there > is hitting something random and creates a connection between the sublime and > the mundane. "Hammer fall" on the other hand is simply a sales term which > does the opposite of creating historical awareness: It completely > overshadows all
[meteorite-list] Hammer fall term
Sorry to come up with the subject matter again, but I keep thinking about this every now and then and would like to add my two cents on it this time. I agree with the "hammer fall" term being misleading, and so far haven't met anyone who is very fond of it except those who actually see it as a market opportunity. On the flip side I have met a few who were seriously confused by the term: The Sylacauga police chief for example, who sent me a link to an Ebay auction, thinking the speck pictured was a piece of the rock which hit Mrs. Hodges (it was instead part of the one found by Julius McKinney, which has an interesting story by itself and, as far as I'm concerned, deserves more attention than a footnote). I'm quite keen on the stories behind hammer stones and the idea that something ancient from out there is hitting something random and creates a connection between the sublime and the mundane. "Hammer fall" on the other hand is simply a sales term which does the opposite of creating historical awareness: It completely overshadows all the other aspects (historical or other) of a meteorite shower. I'd find it fairly irritating if anyone used the term "L'Aigle hammer fall", because one of the pieces (presumably) hit a man on the arm. A more recent example is Sutter's Mill - is it an important fall because one of the rocks struck a garage door? I feel these falls deserve different attributes in their headline, something which is perhaps attributable to all or most of the specimens of the fall, such as the historic significance, the classification, characteristics or man hours included in searching for the pieces in the strewn field. As mentioned before, I'm not referring to the actual stone which hit something, as the designation is significant in identifying the rock as being the single piece falling on something man made. Cheers, Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] "Is there any religion that invites.... (Burnham's Meteorites?)
Looks like he's holding a specimen in his hand as well, yes? I'd love to know of the disposition of his collection as well. I like you, Mike, would give a portion of my anatomy for one of Robert Burnham's meteorite samples as well. If you or anyone has a clue please keep me in the loop as well PLEASE! After Kevin whetted my appetite when announcing he was selling his set of Burnham's Celestial Handbook ( I missed out on the ones he was selling), I went directly to eBay and purchased a hardcover set in very good condition to add to my library. Don't know why I hadn't purchased a set long, long ago. As much as I love astronomy and books, it just defies me why I didn't have Robert's work in my collection till now. Regards, Mal On 6/12/2012 11:59 AM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi List, One last thing about this Burnham article. If you go to the bottom of the first page, there is a link to part two of the article. The photo at the top of part two shows Burnham in his "lab", surrounded by his eclectic collection. In the center is a white cabinet similar to a medicine cabinet. This cabinet is filled with meteorite specimens. You can clearly see them and their specimen cards. There also appears to be more specimens laying on the top of the cabinet. Does anyone know which meteorites these are? And does anyone know where these meteorites are now. I would give my right arm for one of these specimens with Burnham provenance. If anyone knows where I can acquire one of these, please contact me off-list and let me know. Such a specimen would have very special meaning for me. Best regards, MikeG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 12, 000 Yr Old Meteorite Melt Glass Impact Evidence
An interesting article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2158054/Scientists-discover-evidence-meteorite-storm-hit-Earth-13-000-years-ago-killed-prehistoric-civilisation.html?ito=feeds-newsxml Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] "Is there any religion that invites.... (Burnham's Meteorites?)
Hi List, One last thing about this Burnham article. If you go to the bottom of the first page, there is a link to part two of the article. The photo at the top of part two shows Burnham in his "lab", surrounded by his eclectic collection. In the center is a white cabinet similar to a medicine cabinet. This cabinet is filled with meteorite specimens. You can clearly see them and their specimen cards. There also appears to be more specimens laying on the top of the cabinet. Does anyone know which meteorites these are? And does anyone know where these meteorites are now. I would give my right arm for one of these specimens with Burnham provenance. If anyone knows where I can acquire one of these, please contact me off-list and let me know. Such a specimen would have very special meaning for me. Best regards, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 6/12/12, Michael Gilmer wrote: > Hi Kevin and List, > > I'm glad you enjoyed the article. Burnham was a complex man who, IMO, > was treated unfairly by a system that he had little influence with. > I'm not blaming anyone for how Burnham lived his final years, and I > have nothing but respect for Lowell, but things could have been > handled differently - Burnham deserved better. > > The Celestial Handbooks are a lasting legacy that have withstood the > test of time. They are not just a valuable reference for amateur > astronomers - they are a poetic story of a love affair between a man > and the cosmos. Wherever Burnham is now, I hope there will always be > starlight on his path. > > For those Listers who have never read Burnham's self-interview, please > take the time to do so. You will learn a few things about the man and > the world we live in. > > And a different note, now that I know an opium agent is responsible > for the preliminary identification of Shergotty as a meteorite, my > curiosity is getting the best of me. I can't wait to read that story. > > Best regards and clear skies, > > MikeG > -- > --- > Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG > > Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > --- > > > > On 6/12/12, Kevin Kichinka wrote: >> Team Meteorite: >> >> >> It's a chilly, damp night here in south Central America. The rain is >> pounding on my tin roof making for a happy rain forest. >> >> >> Subscribers to 'Meteorite', and I hope that is everyone reading this, >> may have already read part one in the May issue of my feature 'The >> Rise of the Raj and the Fall of Shergotty'. It's the first-ever >> published account of that 1865 fall. I'm honored to have been chosen >> for the assignment. >> >> >> Well, time is of the essence for me to complete the conclusion of the >> feature for the Aug issue (don't worry Derek) and tonight I'm working >> on 'Mr. Peppe's' bio. Subscriber's know that he was a British Gov't >> employee in India working as a sub-opium agent. >> >> >> Just as it was about to be discarded, Peppe ID'd Shergotty as a >> meteorite. >> >> >> Then he went back to work the opium fields. >> >> >> I find that interesting :>) >> >> >> Oh, there's a lot more to this most excellent story but you'll have to >> purchase the next issue to find out. Call now to subscribe, operators >> are standing by. >> >> >> But as crucial as this article is- I'll be burning the midnight oil >> tonight sorting through google-scanned 19th century docs on Indian >> farming practices- I'm momentarily diverted by a treasure gifted to me >> by M-Lister Michael Gilmer. >> >> >> Backstory - I offered here for sale this weekend the three-volume >> "Burnham's Celestial Handbook". Lazy me, never read it. Michael wrote >> me and shared his enthusiasm for the author. Copied me on a link from >> the 'Village Voice'. It's an interview with the author. >> >> >> I had no idea of the plus genius of Robert Burnham, perhaps you don't >> either. >> >> >> I wouldn't dream of wasting your time. >> >> >> I invite one and all to pull up a beer, slip on some comfortable >> Coltrane, and settle in for a sublime hour of logic and common sense >> on matters of the heart, mind and soul set somewhere in the >> multiverse. You'll LOL, you'll nod your head in agreement. Your brain >> will visit places it hadn't gone before. Not off-topic, pallasites are >> in play. >> >> >> http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/06/robert_burnham_j.php >> >> >> Kevin Kichinka >> Santa Ana, Costa Rica >> www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com >> _
[meteorite-list] Thank You
Hello, I just wanted to say a collective THANK YOU to all who sent kind and beautiful words, condolences, blessings, and prayers. Thanks to all who made purchases and donations. Everything everyone sent, matters in so many ways and the positive energy of it will benefit many people in this time of need. I will in time thank each and every person who reached out personally. For know, I just wanted to send out a collective THANK YOU to everyone on the list who sent something good my family's way. Thank You Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] "Is there any religion that invites doubt, skepticism, or a freely inquiring mind?"
Hi Kevin and List, I'm glad you enjoyed the article. Burnham was a complex man who, IMO, was treated unfairly by a system that he had little influence with. I'm not blaming anyone for how Burnham lived his final years, and I have nothing but respect for Lowell, but things could have been handled differently - Burnham deserved better. The Celestial Handbooks are a lasting legacy that have withstood the test of time. They are not just a valuable reference for amateur astronomers - they are a poetic story of a love affair between a man and the cosmos. Wherever Burnham is now, I hope there will always be starlight on his path. For those Listers who have never read Burnham's self-interview, please take the time to do so. You will learn a few things about the man and the world we live in. And a different note, now that I know an opium agent is responsible for the preliminary identification of Shergotty as a meteorite, my curiosity is getting the best of me. I can't wait to read that story. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 6/12/12, Kevin Kichinka wrote: > Team Meteorite: > > > It's a chilly, damp night here in south Central America. The rain is > pounding on my tin roof making for a happy rain forest. > > > Subscribers to 'Meteorite', and I hope that is everyone reading this, > may have already read part one in the May issue of my feature 'The > Rise of the Raj and the Fall of Shergotty'. It's the first-ever > published account of that 1865 fall. I'm honored to have been chosen > for the assignment. > > > Well, time is of the essence for me to complete the conclusion of the > feature for the Aug issue (don't worry Derek) and tonight I'm working > on 'Mr. Peppe's' bio. Subscriber's know that he was a British Gov't > employee in India working as a sub-opium agent. > > > Just as it was about to be discarded, Peppe ID'd Shergotty as a meteorite. > > > Then he went back to work the opium fields. > > > I find that interesting :>) > > > Oh, there's a lot more to this most excellent story but you'll have to > purchase the next issue to find out. Call now to subscribe, operators > are standing by. > > > But as crucial as this article is- I'll be burning the midnight oil > tonight sorting through google-scanned 19th century docs on Indian > farming practices- I'm momentarily diverted by a treasure gifted to me > by M-Lister Michael Gilmer. > > > Backstory - I offered here for sale this weekend the three-volume > "Burnham's Celestial Handbook". Lazy me, never read it. Michael wrote > me and shared his enthusiasm for the author. Copied me on a link from > the 'Village Voice'. It's an interview with the author. > > > I had no idea of the plus genius of Robert Burnham, perhaps you don't > either. > > > I wouldn't dream of wasting your time. > > > I invite one and all to pull up a beer, slip on some comfortable > Coltrane, and settle in for a sublime hour of logic and common sense > on matters of the heart, mind and soul set somewhere in the > multiverse. You'll LOL, you'll nod your head in agreement. Your brain > will visit places it hadn't gone before. Not off-topic, pallasites are > in play. > > > http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/06/robert_burnham_j.php > > > Kevin Kichinka > Santa Ana, Costa Rica > www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com > __ > > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Springwater Contributed by: Mark Murphy http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD two Taza on eBay (one ending soon) and Imilac slice with transparet olivines
Dear List Members, I have two eBay auction one ending tomorrow - oriented Taza 31g piece with radial flow lines http://www.ebay.com/itm/190688196830?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_711wt_1399 and second Taza just listed, beauty specimen, huge size 460g also with flow lines http://www.ebay.com/itm/190690097652?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_704wt_1399 Beside this Imilac slcie, 59.6g, with transparent Ol. Size of slice is 78x72x3 https://picasaweb.google.com/10086119851742847/Imilac?authkey=Gv1sRgCInrg-yo3caL8QE I bought this slice just for excibition I had in Museum (to show transparent olivines), and after excibition close I can sell this beauty specimen. All question please send to my email illae...@gmail.com All the best Tomek Jakubowski IMCA #2321 Managing Editor http://www.meteorites.pwr.wroc.pl __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I have had a tragedy in my family, I ask for help.
Mike As the father of two daughters myself, I particularly feel your pain. Please accept my deepest and most sincere condolences. All the best from Scotland Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA p.david...@nms.ac.uk Phone: + 44 (0)131 247 4283 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of michael cottingham Sent: 11 June 2012 15:29 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] I have had a tragedy in my family, I ask for help. Hello, I find myself needing to ask for help from my meteorite community. One of my children have died. My daughter Sarah died last Sunday, she died in her sleep from a complication with her prescription drugs and her breathing just stopped. Hopefully she died without even knowing. Her husband tried to resuscitate her. She was only 24 years old. I find in very hard to work now, and all packages and such things will be slow, but will go out as I can manage. There are many current expenses that are beyond my ability at the moment and I am trying to take care of 2 households for the time being. As well as all the expense of funeral, living, and such for her extended family. It is a devastating tragedy. First, I am not asking for a direct donation. I would prefer you purchase something from my shop. If there is nothing in my ebay store that interests you, if you so desire, please by all means send a donation to my paypal account. The paypal address is mikew...@gilanet.comPlease mark as Sarah Cottingham Jordan Memorial Fund In addition, I just wanted people to know why I will be slow in answering any emails that have been sent to me concerning meteorites, or meteorite business. Thanks for Your Kind Consideration Michael Cottingham ALL SALE ITEMS HERE: http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history ALL AUCTIONS HERE: http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1Q Q __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Scotlands National Airshow, Sat 28 July. A thrilling day of air displays and family fun. Book before 27 July and save 15%. www.nms.ac.uk/airshow National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2012
Hello list Time is running low very fast and I have question. Looking for cheaper alternative to domaine du moulin hotel as Im going this year alone, and wanna cut some costs :( I know one hotel is in Battenhaim. Is there anything else ? Thanks and see some of You soon -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
