[meteorite-list] Trade for Sutter's Mill...Market price for uNWA CO3s?
Good evening listoids, What is the general market price (per gram) for NWA CO3s? I have some that i would like to trade in for some Sutter's Mill. Thanks --- -Melanie IMCA#: 2975 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test please delete
Test -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Morasko Contributed by: Paul Swartz http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test please delete
Test -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Problems posting to the list
Hi all, I have posted 4 times to the list in the last 2 days and none of the posts have appeared. I have just posted two test posts and both have appeared straight away. So i tried again trying to repost one of my previous posts and it has not been posted. The only thing that i can think of is that i had included a link to my website in my lost posts, would this be why they have not posted? Anyone experiencing similar problems? Anyone know what i can do to be able to post? That is of course if this particular post makes it to the list! Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?
Guido, Please read it again. All I said is that the new regs make minimal changes on past law. I don't doubt that the BLM will be looking for opportunities to make their point. But the policy states virtually nothing new other than the more restrictive poundage limitation. Everything else restates old policy. Norm - Original Message From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net To: Norm Lehrman nlehr...@nvbell.net; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, September 30, 2012 10:17:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup? Sorry Norm. Your take on the BLM being some kind of begnign overseer who will look the other way couldn't be farther from the truth. Just wait till the next highly publicized fall amd someone admits to picking up something significant from public land. The BLM will be all over him/her like white on a golf ball. What! No permit? Didn't know this land was restricted? Gimme that! Here! Take this citation! Guido -Original Message- From: Norm Lehrman nlehr...@nvbell.net Sent: Sep 30, 2012 8:17 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup? All, I have been following this thread with great confusion, and maybe there IS something I don't understand. Meteorite collecting has previously fallen under the general rules of rockhounding, and the new changes merely formalize a specific policy that is no great change from the past rules. I am quite sure I will be hugey chastised for my ignorance. Please correct me if I missed something. The previous rules said 25 pounds and/or one rock. Now it's 10 pounds and no provision for the big one with respect to meteorites. How often will that actually afect us? Almost never. The use of motorized vehicles off marked roads is also a general policy, not just for us. Metal detectors are explicitly allowed. Surely a magnet on a stick is also still fine. Commercial exploitation of BLM ground is subject to a long standing guideline. Find a monster? It is only fair that the land-owner (all Americans) should get some benefit. This is no change. If you want to harvest building stones or ornamental boulders, you pay a fee. We will too. No real change. I see no great disaster here. Just a formalization of a specific policy, thanks (?) to our own loud self-promotion in its various forms. Of course they had to get explicit. It is not much more than a clear, specific, restatement of the rules we were all subject to before now. Or did no one understand this? Yes, they may choose to make their point by prosecuting someone, but I will be amazed if this involves changes in the law. Just enforcement of those already extant. At worst with fairly minor changes. Have at it. I am waiting to be reprimanded for my folly. What am I missing? Best, Norm (www.tektitesource.com) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?
Sorry Norm. Your take on the BLM being some kind of begnign overseer who will look the other way couldn't be farther from the truth. Just wait till the next highly publicized fall amd someone admits to picking up something significant from public land. The BLM will be all over him/her like white on a golf ball. What! No permit? Didn't know this land was restricted? Gimme that! Here! Take this citation! Guido -Original Message- From: Norm Lehrman nlehr...@nvbell.net Sent: Sep 30, 2012 8:17 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup? All, I have been following this thread with great confusion, and maybe there IS something I don't understand. Meteorite collecting has previously fallen under the general rules of rockhounding, and the new changes merely formalize a specific policy that is no great change from the past rules. I am quite sure I will be hugey chastised for my ignorance. Please correct me if I missed something. The previous rules said 25 pounds and/or one rock. Now it's 10 pounds and no provision for the big one with respect to meteorites. How often will that actually afect us? Almost never. The use of motorized vehicles off marked roads is also a general policy, not just for us. Metal detectors are explicitly allowed. Surely a magnet on a stick is also still fine. Commercial exploitation of BLM ground is subject to a long standing guideline. Find a monster? It is only fair that the land-owner (all Americans) should get some benefit. This is no change. If you want to harvest building stones or ornamental boulders, you pay a fee. We will too. No real change. I see no great disaster here. Just a formalization of a specific policy, thanks (?) to our own loud self-promotion in its various forms. Of course they had to get explicit. It is not much more than a clear, specific, restatement of the rules we were all subject to before now. Or did no one understand this? Yes, they may choose to make their point by prosecuting someone, but I will be amazed if this involves changes in the law. Just enforcement of those already extant. At worst with fairly minor changes. Have at it. I am waiting to be reprimanded for my folly. What am I missing? Best, Norm (www.tektitesource.com) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT-Who is redfig2@yahoo or on Ebay?
I and a dozen met list members are on his robot spam list. I would like to let him know that his address book has been compromised. Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Crescent Mars (Rosetta)
http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMAR9ERI7H_index_0.html Crescent Mars European Space Agency 1 October 2012 The sight of the crescent Moon hanging in the sky above Earth is a familiar one, but this image taken by ESA's Rosetta spacecraft as it passed by the Red Planet in February 2007 captures the rare view of a skinny slice of Mars. Many delicate crescent views of planets and moons in our Solar System have been provided by past flyby missions, but this was the first time Mars had been imaged in this way. The flyby was the second of four planetary gravity assists needed to slingshot Rosetta to its final destination, comet Churyumov-Gerasimenko, where it will arrive in summer 2014. The three other gravity boosts were provided by our home planet, Earth. During the Mars flyby, Rosetta's imaging team attempted to capture the nightglow in the planet's atmosphere. These weak emissions of light are produced in the upper atmosphere when nitrogen and oxygen atoms combine and release energy. Although the white crescent of Mars appears overexposed, a tiny piece of the planet's atmosphere can be seen glowing in the 11 o'clock position. Internal reflections within the camera's optics are present as the red and fuzzy blue haloes. Rosetta is now in deep-space hibernation. It will wake up on 20 January 2014 and rendezvous with its target comet four months later. Rosetta will be the first mission ever to orbit a comet's nucleus and land a probe on its surface. It will also be the first to fly alongside a comet as it heads towards the inner Solar System, watching how a comet is transformed by the warmth of the Sun. Since comets are considered the primitive building blocks of the Solar System, Rosetta will help scientists to learn more about their role in the evolution of our local cosmic neighbourhood. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Gem, Mineral, Jewelry, and Fossil Show - Lexington, KY - October 6th and 7th!
Hey, List Members! This is just a quick note to remind you about The 22nd Annual Rock, Gem, Mineral, Jewelry Show Sale this weekend (Saturday and Sunday) in Lexington, KY! The members of the Rockhounds of Central Kentucky (ROCK!) have done a lot of hard work preparing for another great show. More information can be found at the club's website: http://lexrockclub.tripod.com/ Many dealers from across the country will be there for you viewing (and purchasing!) pleasure! The show will be held at the Kentucky National Guard Armory,located at 4301 Airport Rd., off of Man O'War Blvd, behind the Bluegrass Airport, Lexington, KY. Show hours are: Saturday, October 6th, 10-6, and Sunday, October 7th, Noon-5. Please stop by our booth and say, Hi! We are hard to miss! We're the folks with the ORANGE table covers! We will have some new things from the Tucson shows (minerals, fossils and meteorites!) that will be displayed for sale for the first time at this show. Hey, you just might find something that you cannot live without! My billfold sure hopes so! My credit card company does likewise! But, in any case, stop by and say, Hi! Please ID yourself from the list! It is always neat to put faces with names. We hope to see you in Lexington this weekend! I'm sure you will have a great time! John Teague Volunteer Gems Melbourne, FL (formerly: Knoxville, Tennessee!) http://www.VolunteerGems.com http://www.mineral-auctions.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Curiosity Update: Inspection of Rock Target 'Bathurst Inlet'
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/news/whatsnew/index.cfm?FuseAction=ShowNewsNewsID=1363 Inspection of Rock Target 'Bathurst Inlet' Jet Propulsion Laboratory October 1, 2012 On Sol 54 (Sept. 30, 2012), Curiosity used two tools at the end of its arm to inspect two targets on an angular rock called Bathurst Inlet. The rover had driven 7 feet (2.1 meters) the preceding sol to place itself within arm's reach of the targets. Curiosity took close-up images of Bathurst Inlet with its Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI), and took readings with the Alpha Particle X-Ray Spectrometer (APXS) to identify chemical elements in the target. MAHLI also inspected another location within reach, Cowles. A Sol 54 raw image from Curiosity's left Navigation Camera showing the arm at work at Bathurst Inlet is at http://1.usa.gov/NYUbz3 . Sol 54, in Mars local mean solar time at Gale Crater, ended at 7:07 p.m. Sept. 30, PDT (10:07 p.m. EDT). __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Awards Space Launch System Advanced Booster Contracts
Oct. 1, 2012 Rachel Kraft Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1100 rachel.h.kr...@nasa.gov Kim Henry Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, Ala. 256-544-0034 kimberly.m.he...@nasa.gov RELEASE: 12-339 NASA AWARDS SPACE LAUNCH SYSTEM ADVANCED BOOSTER CONTRACTS WASHINGTON -- NASA has awarded three contracts totaling $137.3 million to improve the affordability, reliability and performance of an advanced booster for the Space Launch System (SLS). The awardees will develop engineering demonstrations and risk reduction concepts for a future version of the SLS, a heavy-lift rocket that will provide an entirely new capability for human exploration beyond low Earth orbit. The initial 77-ton (70-metric-ton) SLS configuration will use two 5-segment solid rocket boosters similar to the boosters that helped power the space shuttle to orbit. The evolved 143-ton (130-metric-ton) SLS vehicle will require an advanced booster with more thrust than any existing U.S. liquid- or solid-fueled boosters. These new initiatives will demonstrate and examine advanced booster concepts and hardware demonstrations during a 30-month period. The companies selected for SLS Advanced Booster contracts are: -- ATK Launch Systems Inc. of Brigham City, Utah, which will demonstrate innovations for a solid-fueled booster. The contract addresses the key risks associated with low-cost solid propellant boosters, particularly in the areas of composite case design and development, propellant development and characterization, nozzle design and affordability enhancement, and avionics and controls development. -- Dynetics Inc. of Huntsville, Ala., which will demonstrate the use of modern manufacturing techniques to produce and test several primary components of the F-1 rocket engine originally developed for the Apollo Program, including an integrated powerpack, the primary rotating machinery of the engine. Additionally, the contract will demonstrate innovative fabrication techniques for metallic cryogenic tanks. -- Northrop Grumman Corporation Aerospace Systems of Redondo Beach, Calif., which will demonstrate innovative design and manufacturing techniques for composite propellant tanks with low fixed costs and affordable production rates. Independent time and motion studies will compare demonstration affordability data to SLS advanced booster development, production and operations. Additional contracts may be awarded following successful negotiation of other proposals previously received for this NASA Research Announcement (NRA), subject to funding availability. Designed to be flexible for launching payloads and spacecraft, including NASA's Orion spacecraft that will take humans beyond low Earth orbit, SLS will enable the agency to meet the Obama Administration's goal of sending humans to an asteroid by 2025 and to Mars in the 2030s. The first flight test of NASA's SLS, an uncrewed mission to lunar orbit, which will feature a configuration for a 77-ton lift capacity, is scheduled for 2017. As SLS evolves, a two-stage launch vehicle configuration will provide a lift capability of 143 tons and include the improved, more powerful advanced booster. These new contracts are funded under an NRA risk mitigation effort and acquisition. There will be a future competition for design, development, testing and evaluation for the SLS advanced booster. This future competition is planned for 2015 and will be acquired through a separate solicitation. The 2015 competition will not be limited to awardees announced in this NRA. Successful offerors to this NRA are not guaranteed an award for any future advanced booster acquisition. As NASA endeavors to send humans to a range of new destinations, agency initiatives are helping develop a U.S. commercial space transportation industry with the goal of achieving safe, reliable and cost-effective transportation to and from the International Space Station and low Earth orbit. Ongoing advances made by NASA's commercial space partners are paving the way for regular contract flights of cargo to the space station and marking progress toward a launch of astronauts from U.S. soil in the next five years. NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala. manages the SLS Program for the agency. SLS will launch from NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida. For information about NASA's Space Launch System, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/sls -end- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Another FREE meteorite public lecture at UA - Lunar Planetary Lab
Hello Meteorite-List Friends, Here is another free public lecture at the UA's Lunar Planetary Lab that might be of interest especially to those in the Tucson area (see below). Have you ever wondered where pre-solar grains come from and how they were incorporated into meteorites of our Solar System? Tom Zega will describe how they are identified and what they can tell us! You will be amazed at the tiny scales that provide insight into the big picture! Kind regards, Dolores Hill Wednesday, October 3, 2012 7:00p.m. Kuiper Space Sciences Building Room 308 1629 E. University Blvd. Laboratory-based Astronomy at the Nanometer Scale Dr. Tom Zega Assistant Professor in the Department of Planetary Sciences Throughout the course of their life cycles, stars shed matter through dust-driven winds or by outright exploding (supernova). This matter travels through the interstellar medium where it can become the starting material for new stars or planetary-forming nebulae. Our solar system was, among other things, built from such ancient stardust and some of this material was left over within primitive meteorites, the fossil relics of our solar nebula. I will show how, using the tools of nanoscience, we can probe, in the laboratory, such primitive meteorites, extract from them such ancient stardust, and gain fundamentally new insights into the histories of the grains and the stars from which they formed. More information about Professor Zega is available at: http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/resources/faculty/faculty.php?nom=Zega This event is free and open to the public. Doors open at 6:30p.m. Parking in university surface parking lots is free after 5 p.m. Please be careful not to park in service or reserved spaces. Metered street parking is also available at no cost after 5 p.m. Parking in the Cherry Avenue Garage is available after 5 p.m. at a cost of $1.00 per hour. For more information, contact Maria Schuchardt: mari...@lpl.arizona.edu, 621-4861, or go to http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/outreach/ -- Dolores H. Hill Sr. Research Specialist Lunar Planetary Laboratory University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/ Education and Public Outreach Team Co-Lead Target Asteroids! and Target NEOs! citizen science OSIRIS-REx asteroid sample return mission http://osiris-rex.lpl.arizona.edu/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] another FREE meteorite public lecture at UA - Lunar Planetary Lab
Hello Meteorite-List Friends, Here is another free public lecture at the UA's Lunar Planetary Lab that might be of interest especially to those in the Tucson area (see below). Have you ever wondered where pre-solar grains come from and how they were incorporated into meteorites of our Solar System? Tom Zega will describe how they are identified and what they can tell us! You will be amazed at the tiny scales that provide insight into the big picture! Kind regards, Dolores Hill Wednesday, October 3, 2012 7:00p.m. Kuiper Space Sciences Building Room 308 1629 E. University Blvd. Laboratory-based Astronomy at the Nanometer Scale Dr. Tom Zega Assistant Professor in the Department of Planetary Sciences Throughout the course of their life cycles, stars shed matter through dust-driven winds or by outright exploding (supernova). This matter travels through the interstellar medium where it can become the starting material for new stars or planetary-forming nebulae. Our solar system was, among other things, built from such ancient stardust and some of this material was left over within primitive meteorites, the fossil relics of our solar nebula. I will show how, using the tools of nanoscience, we can probe, in the laboratory, such primitive meteorites, extract from them such ancient stardust, and gain fundamentally new insights into the histories of the grains and the stars from which they formed. More information about Professor Zega is available at: http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/resources/faculty/faculty.php?nom=Zega This event is free and open to the public. Doors open at 6:30p.m. Parking in university surface parking lots is free after 5 p.m. Please be careful not to park in service or reserved spaces. Metered street parking is also available at no cost after 5 p.m. Parking in the Cherry Avenue Garage is available after 5 p.m. at a cost of $1.00 per hour. For more information, contact Maria Schuchardt: mari...@lpl.arizona.edu, 621-4861, or go to http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/outreach/ -- Dolores H. Hill Sr. Research Specialist Lunar Planetary Laboratory University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/ Education and Public Outreach Team Co-Lead Target Asteroids! and Target NEOs! citizen science OSIRIS-REx asteroid sample return mission http://osiris-rex.lpl.arizona.edu/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?
Hello Norm, I beleive that was 25 pounds a day, now 10 pounds a year. Science and Commerical users now require permits. Casual hunters not allowed to sell. Hmmm. Permit processes can take 185 days. I'd say that's significant. Jim On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Sorry Norm. Your take on the BLM being some kind of begnign overseer who will look the other way couldn't be farther from the truth. Just wait till the next highly publicized fall amd someone admits to picking up something significant from public land. The BLM will be all over him/her like white on a golf ball. What! No permit? Didn't know this land was restricted? Gimme that! Here! Take this citation! Guido -Original Message- From: Norm Lehrman nlehr...@nvbell.net Sent: Sep 30, 2012 8:17 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup? All, I have been following this thread with great confusion, and maybe there IS something I don't understand. Meteorite collecting has previously fallen under the general rules of rockhounding, and the new changes merely formalize a specific policy that is no great change from the past rules. I am quite sure I will be hugey chastised for my ignorance. Please correct me if I missed something. The previous rules said 25 pounds and/or one rock. Now it's 10 pounds and no provision for the big one with respect to meteorites. How often will that actually afect us? Almost never. The use of motorized vehicles off marked roads is also a general policy, not just for us. Metal detectors are explicitly allowed. Surely a magnet on a stick is also still fine. Commercial exploitation of BLM ground is subject to a long standing guideline. Find a monster? It is only fair that the land-owner (all Americans) should get some benefit. This is no change. If you want to harvest building stones or ornamental boulders, you pay a fee. We will too. No real change. I see no great disaster here. Just a formalization of a specific policy, thanks (?) to our own loud self-promotion in its various forms. Of course they had to get explicit. It is not much more than a clear, specific, restatement of the rules we were all subject to before now. Or did no one understand this? Yes, they may choose to make their point by prosecuting someone, but I will be amazed if this involves changes in the law. Just enforcement of those already extant. At worst with fairly minor changes. Have at it. I am waiting to be reprimanded for my folly. What am I missing? Best, Norm (www.tektitesource.com) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com 928-247-2675 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?
Jim all, Commercial users always had to have permits. Permits always took their time. This is not new Rockhounders were always prohibited from commercial endeavors. This is not new. Meteorite hunters were lumped in with rockhounders until now. The only real change that I can see is the change in poundage limits---a major change for sure, but how many of us have had years where the 10 pound limit would've been a problem? It can happen, but quite rarely. I have recovered hundreds of meteorite (fragments) in Nevada, but nowhere near 10 pounds per year. Probably the main point of all this is that we are now under scrutiny and attracting explicit personalized regulation where before we were pretty much under the radar. However, the new explicit meteorite regulations are mostly not new, but rather, a formal restatement of long-standing policies governing rockhounding on BLM-managed lands. Norm - Original Message From: Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, October 1, 2012 4:38:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup? Hello Norm, I beleive that was 25 pounds a day, now 10 pounds a year. Science and Commerical users now require permits. Casual hunters not allowed to sell. Hmmm. Permit processes can take 185 days. I'd say that's significant. Jim On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Sorry Norm. Your take on the BLM being some kind of begnign overseer who will look the other way couldn't be farther from the truth. Just wait till the next highly publicized fall amd someone admits to picking up something significant from public land. The BLM will be all over him/her like white on a golf ball. What! No permit? Didn't know this land was restricted? Gimme that! Here! Take this citation! Guido -Original Message- From: Norm Lehrman nlehr...@nvbell.net Sent: Sep 30, 2012 8:17 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup? All, I have been following this thread with great confusion, and maybe there IS something I don't understand. Meteorite collecting has previously fallen under the general rules of rockhounding, and the new changes merely formalize a specific policy that is no great change from the past rules. I am quite sure I will be hugey chastised for my ignorance. Please correct me if I missed something. The previous rules said 25 pounds and/or one rock. Now it's 10 pounds and no provision for the big one with respect to meteorites. How often will that actually afect us? Almost never. The use of motorized vehicles off marked roads is also a general policy, not just for us. Metal detectors are explicitly allowed. Surely a magnet on a stick is also still fine. Commercial exploitation of BLM ground is subject to a long standing guideline. Find a monster? It is only fair that the land-owner (all Americans) should get some benefit. This is no change. If you want to harvest building stones or ornamental boulders, you pay a fee. We will too. No real change. I see no great disaster here. Just a formalization of a specific policy, thanks (?) to our own loud self-promotion in its various forms. Of course they had to get explicit. It is not much more than a clear, specific, restatement of the rules we were all subject to before now. Or did no one understand this? Yes, they may choose to make their point by prosecuting someone, but I will be amazed if this involves changes in the law. Just enforcement of those already extant. At worst with fairly minor changes. Have at it. I am waiting to be reprimanded for my folly. What am I missing? Best, Norm (www.tektitesource.com) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com 928-247-2675 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT $2 million in gems, gold stolen from Calif. museum
The gem and mineral collectors among us should keep an eye out for these stolen specimens. Also, people dealing in this any sort of valuable material should take care. $2 Million In Gems, Gold Stolen From Mariposa Museum, October 1, 2012, CBS News, Sacremento. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/10/01/2-million-in-gems-gold-stolen-from-california-museum/ Mariposa stunned by brazen heist at mineral museum by Joshua Emerson Smith, Merced Sun-star http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/09/29/3011622/mariposa-stunned-by-brazen-heist.html http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/10/01/3013262/2-million-in-gems-gold-stolen.html Investigators looking for Mariposa museum thieves ABC News, October 01, 2012 http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/localid=8831882 $2 million in gems, gold stolen from Calif. museum Lompoc Record. October 1, 2012. http://www.lompocrecord.com/news/state-and-regional/million-in-gems-gold-stolen-from-calif-museum/article_c09df010-a1e2-5264-ae63-c3336773f5ff.html $2 million in gems, gold stolen from Calif. museum By Jason Dearen, Associated Press, Oct. 1, 2012 http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/10/01/3013262/2-million-in-gems-gold-stolen.html Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Month of October Website Updates now up
Hi List. My updates for the month of October 2012 are completed. ***NOTE: Don't forget the Orionids meteor shower that will peak this month October 20-21, 2012 More info by clicking the link below. www.ctreasurescwonders.com * The Black Hole Mystery Video of the Month --- A great video documentary on the planet Saturn! http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/secret_video.html * Also the Flash from the Past Photo of the Month is up. This shows a couple neat pictures and info. of the first documentented extraterrestrial object to injure a human being in the United States on Nov. 30, 1954! http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/astro_met_news_back-up.html * ***Lastly, the Image of the Month is also up. This is an amazing image taken this Sept. 2012 of a newly discovered comet named C/2012 S1, that if predictions hold true could be one of the brightest comets seen in many decades! http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/menu_1.html * All very educational and for everyone! Hope you all enjoy and have a great rest of the week and fantastic weekend ahead! Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA #0960 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT $2 million in gems, gold stolen from Calif. museum
sad, I was just there a few months ago, I wonder if they got the two meteorites? if anyone offers the oroville iron or chilcoot (spelling), then they are stolen, Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Oct 1, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Paul H. oxytropidoce...@cox.net wrote: The gem and mineral collectors among us should keep an eye out for these stolen specimens. Also, people dealing in this any sort of valuable material should take care. $2 Million In Gems, Gold Stolen From Mariposa Museum, October 1, 2012, CBS News, Sacremento. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/10/01/2-million-in-gems-gold-stolen-from-california-museum/ Mariposa stunned by brazen heist at mineral museum by Joshua Emerson Smith, Merced Sun-star http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/09/29/3011622/mariposa-stunned-by-brazen-heist.html http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/10/01/3013262/2-million-in-gems-gold-stolen.html Investigators looking for Mariposa museum thieves ABC News, October 01, 2012 http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/localid=8831882 $2 million in gems, gold stolen from Calif. museum Lompoc Record. October 1, 2012. http://www.lompocrecord.com/news/state-and-regional/million-in-gems-gold-stolen-from-calif-museum/article_c09df010-a1e2-5264-ae63-c3336773f5ff.html $2 million in gems, gold stolen from Calif. museum By Jason Dearen, Associated Press, Oct. 1, 2012 http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/10/01/3013262/2-million-in-gems-gold-stolen.html Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Stolen Collection Meteorite
Here is a nice description of its procurement: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0E10FD3B581B7A93C7A9178CD85F458884F9 Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?
I disagree Norm, I'm not a commercial hunter. All the meteorites I find, I keep. But If I sell someday sell one stone (0.05% of the total I find), I'm considered a commercial hunter. If I trade one stone in a thousand, I'm considered a commercial hunter and I have to spend 5, 10 or 15 hundred dollars for the privilege to selling or trade a common $50 meteorite. If I get sick and have to sell my collection to pay medical bills or save my house, I'm breaking the law. Sure it's not likely they will not come get me, but I am on the slippery path of skirting the rule of law. At least before there wasn't an explicit rule against selling something now and then. I've never needed a permit to collect one decorative boulder on BLM land (maybe I've been breaking the law??). Still I think that me collecting one landscaping boulder every few years is quite different from someone selling hundreds of them to supplement their income. That definitely requires a permit because it's blatant commercial use. They say casually collecting meteorites is allowed free, without a permit. But a casual hobby hunter, who may someday TRADE a meteorite (even with a scientific institution), is required to wait an unspecified number of days (almost 200 days according to what Jim has learned) to purchase a commercial permit. The BLM states that an environmental survey will be required before a permit will be granted, and we don't know yet if they will require a new survey when you apply for a renewal (for the same couple days spent walking over the same land). I hunt maybe 10 days a year, and now I will have to pay several hundred dollars to be legal (maybe thousand because they charge you for the hours spent processing the paperwork, plus the time spent for the survey, plus time for enforcement and auditing my activities). And if they want to audit me, does that mean I have to schedule my hunts ahead of time. Is my permit only good for a fixed time period? They don't explain how long the permits are good for or if they are for a calendar year. It makes it very difficult to plan a hobby hunt. Most of my hunts are short notice. It's very difficult to plan 180 + days ahead of time. 10 days a year seems very casually collected to me, certainly not commercial collection. Say I apply for a hunt the summer of 2013, and they finally approve my permit months later - that leaves very little hunting time. And what if my only remaining vacation is Christmas/New Years break (do I need a new permit to complete my hunt?). Most hunters I know visit a site anytime they are able - they don't plan it out. If I want to hunt in Holbrook and then go to Gold Basin and Franconia (which I and many others do), do I need new permits and environmental surveys for each site? If I want to visit Benson, Arizona, Wilcox Playa, Dos Cabezas and then skip over to New Mexico, I'm leaving the State (which requires new permit applications). This is not a commercial activity, like a mine where you schedule activities decades out. The site the BLM directs us to for examples of how applications will be applied, example timelines and how the regulations are applied, is a site that discusses pipeline projects, solar farms, cell towers sites, etc. This is not put in place to govern meteorite collecting; it will be used to deter commercial (hobby) hunting and legitimate commercial hunting. 67% of Federal land is closed to mine exploration. I'd say ~50% is closed to metal detecting. Why do they want to restrict even more land available for us to hunt? Worst yet, this will drive meteorites more underground. Important scientific data will be lost to a greater degree. Locations will be faked more than ever before. With the criminalization of U.S. meteorites, people may be less inclined to trade fresh material for U.S. material. Are pre-2012 meteorites grandfathered, or will all American meteorites be suspect? Even with proper papers from an institution, it can be expensive to prove yourself innocent (as this will be an environmental infraction, GUPI rules apply and good luck winning an EAJA case). This is not like other commercial activities, where I have exclusive use. If I have a lode mining claim, nobody else is allowed to prospect or metal detect. If I have a quarry or boulder business, nobody can collect at my site. If I have grazing rights, nobody else can run cattle. If I have a study site, nobody can disturb anything. Fuel wood permit, etc. etc. My permit doesn't exclude limitless others from trying their luck, even if I spend $thou$and$ for the right to hunt an area. If this is based on long-standing policies, why are there so many unanswered questions? These are some of the basic reasons it bothers me. There are others, but I've gone too long already. Best wishes to you and all readers, Mark From: Norm Lehrman
