Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
Hello Bernd and all concerned, Bernd, I read the original French fall report for St. Caprais-de-Quinsac and the description indeed could correspond to the painting. When Werner asked the question, I was sure I had spotted in due time a print of this painting in some book or pamphlet of my library where it might well be some indication of the bolide (or fall place) name. I went all through my numerous meteorite books but unfortunately, so far, I could find nothing. However, my copy of the well known Nininger's Find a Falling Star has its dust jacket cover with the same painting reproduced. I looked for details within the different editor's writings and also along some chapters regarding this cover but could not even find mention of this painting on cover. The last edition of Meteorites form A to Z reports only 3 falls occurring in 1883, with St. Caprais the only one from France. So, for me, you had solved that enigma, unless someone can contradict this. I second Twink and others' appreciations of your fascinating ability to access various data and find reference for anything concerning meteorites and related. Bernd, you remain our invaluable Extra-encyclopedia! To all, I renew my very sincere wishes for happiness, health and love (in the order of your choice) for this New Year 2013. Zelimir -- Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de a écrit : Hello Bill, Werner Down Under, Listees, Listoids, First of all: A happy, healthy, prosperous 2013 to all of you! Werner wrote: It seems it doesn't relate to a specific fall since there was none in France in the year 1883. Maybe this one: St. Caprais-de-Quinsac (L6; gas-rich) After the appearance of a black cloud and detonations, a stone of 282.5 gr was seen to fall ... Gironde (France) Fell 1883, Jan 28, 14:45 hrs Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thanks to Bernd, again
Thank you all very, very much!!! It feels so good when you know and / or learn that your efforts are appreciated and seen in a benevolent light! All the best to all of you for 2013, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dawn Journal - December 31, 2012
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/journal_12_31_12.asp Dawn Journal Dr. Marc Rayman December 31, 2012 Dear Auld Dawn Synes, Dawn concludes 2012 almost 13,000 times farther from Vesta than it began the year. At that time, it was in its lowest orbit, circling the alien world at an average altitude of only 210 kilometers (130 miles), scrutinizing the mysterious protoplanet to tease out its secrets about the dawn of the solar system. To conduct its richly detailed exploration, Dawn spent nearly 14 months in orbit around Vesta, bound by the behemoth's gravitational grip. In September they bid farewell, as the adventurer gently escaped from the long embrace and slipped back into orbit around the sun. The spaceship is on its own again in the main asteroid belt, its sights set on a 2015 rendezvous with dwarf planet Ceres. Its extensive ion thrusting is gradually enlarging its orbit and taking it ever farther from its erstwhile companion as their solar system paths diverge. Meanwhile, on faraway Earth (and all the other locations throughout the cosmos where Dawnophiles reside), the trove of pictures and other precious measurements continue to be examined, analyzed, and admired by scientists and everyone else who yearns to glimpse distant celestial sights. And Earth itself, just as Vesta, Ceres, Dawn, and so many other members of the solar system family, continues to follow its own orbit around the sun. Thanks to a coincidence of their independent trajectories, Earth and Dawn recently reached their smallest separation in well over a year, just as the tips of the hour hand and minute hand on a clock are relatively near every 65 minutes, 27 seconds. On Dec. 9, they were only 236 million kilometers (147 million miles) apart. Only? In human terms, this is not particularly close. Take a moment to let the immensity of their separation register. The International Space Station, for example, firmly in orbit around Earth, was 411 kilometers (255 miles) high that day, so our remote robotic explorer was 575 thousand times farther. If Earth were a soccer ball, the occupants of the orbiting outpost would have been a mere seven millimeters (less than a third of an inch) away. Our deep-space traveler would have been more than four kilometers (2.5 miles) from the ball. So although the planet and its extraterrestrial emissary were closer than usual, they were not in close proximity. Dawn remains extraordinarily far from all of its human friends and colleagues and the world they inhabit. As the craft reshapes its solar orbit to match Ceres's, it will wind up farther from the sun than it was while at Vesta. (As a reminder, see the table here journal_09_27_12.asp#table that illustrates Dawn's progress to each destination on its long interplanetary voyage.) We saw recently, however, that the route is complex, and the spacecraft is temporarily approaching the sun. Before the ship has had time to swing back out to a greater heliocentric range, Earth will have looped around again, and the two will briefly be even a little bit closer early in 2014. After that, however, they will never be so near each other again, as Dawn will climb higher and higher up the solar system hill, its quest for new and exciting knowledge of distant worlds taking it farther from the sun and hence from Earth. Although our cosmic ambassador is much, much too remote to be discerned with our humble eyes, our far more powerful minds' eyes can locate it. As a convenient guide to begin, you can use the moon on Jan. 21. The details of the geometry will be somewhat dependent on your terrestrial position, which determines when the moon is above your horizon and how it aligns with the more distant cosmic landscape. Nevertheless, if you look at the moon that day, Dawn will appear to be nearby in the sky (although more than 670 times farther away). For observers in the continental United States, as the sun sets, the probe will be about five degrees to the east (left) of the moon, or about the width of three fingers held at arm's length. (Your correspondent has found that the measurement works best if you use not only your own fingers, but also your own arm.) As the evening progresses, they will draw closer and closer together. By the time the moon sinks below the western horizon at around 3:30 a.m. on Jan. 22, they will be separated by less than two degrees for observers on the east coast, and those on the west coast will find Dawn less than one degree away. After using the moon to guide your eyes to the general location of the intrepid ship in the sky, let your mind take over. Allow it to transport you far, far into space, beyond all the human-made satellites around Earth, beyond the moon, beyond the orbit of Mars, and continue out farther than the sun (although in a different direction). Deep in the main asteroid belt, where no other spacecraft has ever taken up permanent residence and farther than all but a handful of probes have ever ventured, you
Re: [meteorite-list] Poyet T-shirt (and French Fall)
I have always wondered what the original reference for Poyet's illustration was and have been unable to find it through any of my resources. As Zelimir mentioned, Nininger did not credit or reference Poyet's illustration, which was used on the cover of Find a Falling Star (maybe we both missed it?). I also checked every entry in Brown's bibliography of meteorites for 1882-1884, including Lespiault's and Forquignon's original report on the fall at St. Caprais in the Comptes des Rendus (1883, V97, pp 1022-23), and came up no reference for the illustration. As others have suggested, the most likely event depicted is the St. Caprais fall. This fall produced a daytime fireball, which would seem to be consistent with Poyet's illustration. One will note that there are many farmers about and the horse is saddled with the hay carriage. This would seem to be an unlikely scene if it were nighttime, so I am assuming this is a daytime depiction. Thoughts? It is also possible that Poyet's illustration may have been published as a stand-alone print. Either way, I am very interested in finding the original reference or source for it! Keep hunting! All the best, Mike -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:21 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall) Hello Bernd and all concerned, Bernd, I read the original French fall report for St. Caprais-de-Quinsac and the description indeed could correspond to the painting. When Werner asked the question, I was sure I had spotted in due time a print of this painting in some book or pamphlet of my library where it might well be some indication of the bolide (or fall place) name. I went all through my numerous meteorite books but unfortunately, so far, I could find nothing. However, my copy of the well known Nininger's Find a Falling Star has its dust jacket cover with the same painting reproduced. I looked for details within the different editor's writings and also along some chapters regarding this cover but could not even find mention of this painting on cover. The last edition of Meteorites form A to Z reports only 3 falls occurring in 1883, with St. Caprais the only one from France. So, for me, you had solved that enigma, unless someone can contradict this. I second Twink and others' appreciations of your fascinating ability to access various data and find reference for anything concerning meteorites and related. Bernd, you remain our invaluable Extra-encyclopedia! To all, I renew my very sincere wishes for happiness, health and love (in the order of your choice) for this New Year 2013. Zelimir -- Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de a écrit : Hello Bill, Werner Down Under, Listees, Listoids, First of all: A happy, healthy, prosperous 2013 to all of you! Werner wrote: It seems it doesn't relate to a specific fall since there was none in France in the year 1883. Maybe this one: St. Caprais-de-Quinsac (L6; gas-rich) After the appearance of a black cloud and detonations, a stone of 282.5 gr was seen to fall ... Gironde (France) Fell 1883, Jan 28, 14:45 hrs Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Orange to green desiccant beads and chlorine content
I've been researching the desiccant beads we typically use to draw moisture away from meteorites and needed to ask a question from more knowledgeable people on the list. These orange to green desiccant beads are the ones generally recommended as they supposedly do not contain chlorine. http://www.desiccantpackets.com/pounds-loose-bulk-orange-indicating-silica-gel-desiccant-2-4-mm-beads-moisture-absorber-dehumidifier.html. I asked the company specifically if the product contained chlorine and they said no chlorine and no cobalt. The composition is from the MSDS they sent is as follows: Chemical Description: Orange to Green Indicating Silica Gel Formula: SIO2 + H20 + C25H30CLN3 CAS (R Phrase Classification): 112926-00-8 amorphous silica 98.2%, activated coloring agent 0.2% max. The coloring agent is called methyl violet and the chemical formula clearly shows chlorine is present. The amount is obviously very small but still present. Is this an issue? Is there a different desiccant that is also orange that has no chlorine? Thank you! Mendy Ouzillou __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Orange to green desiccant beads and chlorine content
Thank you Dr. Korotev. I wanted to make sure it was not an issue and, based on your response, does not seem to be especially since the chlorine is trapped int the beads which are never in actual contact with the specimen. Regards and happy New Year. Mendy Ouzillou - Original Message - From: Randy Korotev koro...@wustl.edu To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Orange to green desiccant beads and chlorine content Mendy: Methyl violet contains 8.7% ionic chlorine by mass, so that's 0.017% max chlorine in the product you describe. That compares with 64% (!) chorine in common anhydrous calcium chloride desiccant, which often contains cobalt chloride. Silica gel without a coloring agent can be obtained. Randy Korotev At 12:40 PM 2013-01-02 Wednesday, you wrote: I've been researching the desiccant beads we typically use to draw moisture away from meteorites and needed to ask a question from more knowledgeable people on the list. These orange to green desiccant beads are the ones generally recommended as they supposedly do not contain chlorine. http://www.desiccantpackets.com/pounds-loose-bulk-orange-indicating-silica-gel-desiccant-2-4-mm-beads-moisture-absorber-dehumidifier.html. I asked the company specifically if the product contained chlorine and they said no chlorine and no cobalt. The composition is from the MSDS they sent is as follows: Chemical Description: Orange to Green Indicating Silica Gel Formula: SIO2 + H20 + C25H30CLN3 CAS (R Phrase Classification): 112926-00-8 amorphous silica 98.2%, activated coloring agent 0.2% max. The coloring agent is called methyl violet and the chemical formula clearly shows chlorine is present. The amount is obviously very small but still present. Is this an issue? Is there a different desiccant that is also orange that has no chlorine? Thank you! Mendy Ouzillou __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: all-sky camera
Hello, Since we have a number of meteor/fireball observers in addition to all of the collectors, I hope this won't be too off-topic. Need some help... I am looking to get an all-sky camera for the Univ. of MD Observatory (www.astro.umd.edu/openhouse) and am looking for recommendations/reviews (why you like or don't like what you have) of various systems. I'm not exactly a gadget person and would prefer an off-the-shelf system -- SBIG, Orion, Moonglow Tech, are there others? But if there is a website with super clear instructions on building a system, we would consider building one. Purpose would be to observe meteors, fireballs as well as other sky phenomena. My email is warne...@astro.umd.edu Clear Skies! Elizabeth Warner UMD Observatory Coordinator warne...@astro.umd.edu 301-405-6555 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] World Class Specimens - AD
Hello All and Greetings from 2013! I would like to bring attention to some World Class meteorite specimens using my new web site as the delivery vehicle... Please enjoy the images, and if you are interested in acquiring something, just tap that 'Buy' button. Be sure to click on the individual items to see a gallery of images for each piece! In no particular order... NWA 7035 Diabasic Eucrite (Incredible!!!): http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa7035.html NWA 7007 Lunar (Outstanding!): http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa7007.html NWA 3149 Howardite (Last 5 slices - Fabulous!): http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa3149.html NWA 6148 Martian Nakhlite (Wow!!): http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa6148.html NWA 6566 Shocked Eucrite (Last 2 Slices!!): http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa6566.html NWA 4801 Angrite (Very Last that I have!!!): http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa4801.html ... and many more that you can see here: www.NaturesVault.net Thank you for looking and if you are in the market for some of The Best of The Best, Thank You for purchasing!! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (eBay Facebook) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Many nice meteorites for sale
Hi to all, hope everyone had a great new year. I just listed a huge selection of meteorites, surely something for anyone. http://www.ebay.com/sch/freedom_factory/m.html?item=170966748142ssPageName=STRK%3AMESELX%3AITrt=nc_trksid=p2047675.l2562 Will consider offers for off ebay sales. Several orders shipped today - a few that were late - so keep an eye out if your expecting something. Thanks for looking. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
Hello List, I wrote: St. Caprais-de-Quinsac...Gironde (France) Fell 1883, Jan 28, 14:45 hrs Sounds good, looks good, ... but: Have a close look at the date of the fall: Jan 28 !!! Now, when you compare this with Mike B.'s remarks: One will note that there are many farmers about and the horse is saddled with the hay carriage. The only conclusion we can thus draw is that the scene depicts an (imaginary?) event in late summer during the harvest season, probably August. Another possibility might be that Poyet so-to-speak merged two incidents: the fall of the St. Caprais-de-Quinsac meteorite and the harvest scene. A case of ... artistic license? Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Orange to green desiccant beads and chlorine content
Hi Mendy and List, I use rechargeable color changing dessicant packs in my specimen cabinet. I have used them for years without any negative issues. Each pack is sealed in a metal cartridge-like housing that is perforated with holes. There is also a small viewing window to see the color state of the dessicant. It changes from blue when dry, to pink when saturated. On average, I recharge them about once every 10 days. Previously, I did it about once or twice a month, but now I do it more often. My cabinet is not air-tight, and I live in South Florida, so keeping the humidity down is a priority, but also a losing battle. If I can reduce the humidity in the cabinet by 20-30%, then I consider that a small victory. If I keep the cabinet closed and don't open it frequently, the dessicant is more effective. I think it is important to make sure the dessicant is not in direct contact with the specimens and if possible, the dessicant should be placed at least a few centimeters away from anything in the case or cabinet. Each cartridge I use holds approx. 50 grams of dessicant. and I have about a half-dozen of them scattered about in my cabinet. I bought all of them from the same vendor a few years ago, and can't seem to find the link now. It was a coin and stamp supply store. Valley Coin might have been the name, I am not sure. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 1/2/13, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you Dr. Korotev. I wanted to make sure it was not an issue and, based on your response, does not seem to be especially since the chlorine is trapped int the beads which are never in actual contact with the specimen. Regards and happy New Year. Mendy Ouzillou - Original Message - From: Randy Korotev koro...@wustl.edu To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Orange to green desiccant beads and chlorine content Mendy: Methyl violet contains 8.7% ionic chlorine by mass, so that's 0.017% max chlorine in the product you describe. That compares with 64% (!) chorine in common anhydrous calcium chloride desiccant, which often contains cobalt chloride. Silica gel without a coloring agent can be obtained. Randy Korotev At 12:40 PM 2013-01-02 Wednesday, you wrote: I've been researching the desiccant beads we typically use to draw moisture away from meteorites and needed to ask a question from more knowledgeable people on the list. These orange to green desiccant beads are the ones generally recommended as they supposedly do not contain chlorine. http://www.desiccantpackets.com/pounds-loose-bulk-orange-indicating-silica-gel-desiccant-2-4-mm-beads-moisture-absorber-dehumidifier.html. I asked the company specifically if the product contained chlorine and they said no chlorine and no cobalt. The composition is from the MSDS they sent is as follows: Chemical Description: Orange to Green Indicating Silica Gel Formula: SIO2 + H20 + C25H30CLN3 CAS (R Phrase Classification): 112926-00-8 amorphous silica 98.2%, activated coloring agent 0.2% max. The coloring agent is called methyl violet and the chemical formula clearly shows chlorine is present. The amount is obviously very small but still present. Is this an issue? Is there a different desiccant that is also orange that has no chlorine? Thank you! Mendy Ouzillou __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: all-sky camera
I have one from Sandia but would like to add that in my opinion stay away from the Orion one. There is another one that is great but I will have to look it up as I don't remember the name. Stuart McDaniel .(mobile).. On Jan 2, 2013, at 14:29, Elizabeth Warner warne...@astro.umd.edu wrote: Hello, Since we have a number of meteor/fireball observers in addition to all of the collectors, I hope this won't be too off-topic. Need some help... I am looking to get an all-sky camera for the Univ. of MD Observatory (www.astro.umd.edu/openhouse) and am looking for recommendations/reviews (why you like or don't like what you have) of various systems. I'm not exactly a gadget person and would prefer an off-the-shelf system -- SBIG, Orion, Moonglow Tech, are there others? But if there is a website with super clear instructions on building a system, we would consider building one. Purpose would be to observe meteors, fireballs as well as other sky phenomena. My email is warne...@astro.umd.edu Clear Skies! Elizabeth Warner UMD Observatory Coordinator warne...@astro.umd.edu 301-405-6555 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
Excellent observation, Bernd! Indeed, the grass is too high for January! The mystery continues. Perhaps Zelimir can tell us if there is anything in Lespiault and Forquignon's report that corroborates any of the features of Poyet's illustration. Here is a link to the original report (in French): http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/CadresFenetre?O=NUMM-3053I=1022M=tdm I love these kinds of meteorite mysteries. Let's solve it! I'll keep looking... Mike Bandli -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bernd V. Pauli Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 1:26 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall) Hello List, I wrote: St. Caprais-de-Quinsac...Gironde (France) Fell 1883, Jan 28, 14:45 hrs Sounds good, looks good, ... but: Have a close look at the date of the fall: Jan 28 !!! Now, when you compare this with Mike B.'s remarks: One will note that there are many farmers about and the horse is saddled with the hay carriage. The only conclusion we can thus draw is that the scene depicts an (imaginary?) event in late summer during the harvest season, probably August. Another possibility might be that Poyet so-to-speak merged two incidents: the fall of the St. Caprais-de-Quinsac meteorite and the harvest scene. A case of ... artistic license? Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
I knew that photo looked familiar but I couldn't place it. Sure enough It was the dust jacket of my copy of To find a Falling Star. Thanks It was driving me nuts. Mysterious as to why that painting ,or drawing, was chosen for his book. Wonder if his wife may have knowledge as to why? Richard Lipke - Original Message - Hello Bernd and all concerned, Bernd, I read the original French fall report for St. Caprais-de-Quinsac and the description indeed could correspond to the painting. When Werner asked the question, I was sure I had spotted in due time a print of this painting in some book or pamphlet of my library where it might well be some indication of the bolide (or fall place) name. I went all through my numerous meteorite books but unfortunately, so far, I could find nothing. However, my copy of the well known Nininger's Find a Falling Star has its dust jacket cover with the same painting reproduced. I looked for details within the different editor's writings and also along some chapters regarding this cover but could not even find mention of this painting on cover. The last edition of Meteorites form A to Z reports only 3 falls occurring in 1883, with St. Caprais the only one from France. So, for me, you had solved that enigma, unless someone can contradict this. I second Twink and others' appreciations of your fascinating ability to access various data and find reference for anything concerning meteorites and related. Bernd, you remain our invaluable Extra-encyclopedia! To all, I renew my very sincere wishes for happiness, health and love (in the order of your choice) for this New Year 2013. Zelimir -- Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de a écrit : Hello Bill, Werner Down Under, Listees, Listoids, First of all: A happy, healthy, prosperous 2013 to all of you! Werner wrote: It seems it doesn't relate to a specific fall since there was none in France in the year 1883. Maybe this one: St. Caprais-de-Quinsac (L6; gas-rich) After the appearance of a black cloud and detonations, a stone of 282.5 gr was seen to fall ... Gironde (France) Fell 1883, Jan 28, 14:45 hrs Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
I know next to nothing about farming, but did they have winter wheat crops back then? Mendy Ouzillou On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net wrote: Excellent observation, Bernd! Indeed, the grass is too high for January! The mystery continues. Perhaps Zelimir can tell us if there is anything in Lespiault and Forquignon's report that corroborates any of the features of Poyet's illustration. Here is a link to the original report (in French): http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/CadresFenetre?O=NUMM-3053I=1022M=tdm I love these kinds of meteorite mysteries. Let's solve it! I'll keep looking... Mike Bandli -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bernd V. Pauli Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 1:26 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall) Hello List, I wrote: St. Caprais-de-Quinsac...Gironde (France) Fell 1883, Jan 28, 14:45 hrs Sounds good, looks good, ... but: Have a close look at the date of the fall: Jan 28 !!! Now, when you compare this with Mike B.'s remarks: One will note that there are many farmers about and the horse is saddled with the hay carriage. The only conclusion we can thus draw is that the scene depicts an (imaginary?) event in late summer during the harvest season, probably August. Another possibility might be that Poyet so-to-speak merged two incidents: the fall of the St. Caprais-de-Quinsac meteorite and the harvest scene. A case of ... artistic license? Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
Hi Mike, List, Here is a rapid translation of the essentials of the St Caprais fall report: -- On Sunday January 28, 1883 at 2:45 (p.m.) the whole population of St Caprais, Gironde Department (ZG Note: This is the Bordeaux area, thus near parallel 40° North) was frightened by a series of 5 violent shots (bangs) comparable to cannon shots, which were followed a noise (rumbling ?) resembling a shooting. People who stood outside their houses noticed a black cloud towards the direction where the noise came from: the black cloud was like an explosion smoke, very different from the ordinary clouds covering (that day) the whole skies. 2 farmers (Perrotin father son) noticed an ignited object falling in the South-East direction, so close from where they stood so that they could notice the exact place where the object hit the ground. Nobody considered seeking the aerolite the same day. But the next day, a Mr. Elliot, having consulted the witnesses, found at that exact place a dense stone weighing 282.5 grams, burried 0.1 meter deep, the hole dimensions on the surface being 0.06 x 0.04 m. The number of shots heard at St Caprais and in the neighboring villages could assume the presence of other fragments; but the latter, if ever existed, were never collected (ZG note: it is not said that they were never FOUND...) . - The rest of the text deals with some aerolite characteristics, probably not worth further translation. This is thus a rapid translation of the major events of interest for the issue, of concern. I believe Bernd, who is sure as fluent in French as myself, would agree. Apparently this does not trow more light to the mystery as it was obviously the winter time and even around Bordeaux, there should not be any wheat (or alike) in the fields Bernd is right to point out that this painting can be a view of an artist, possibly painted some time after the event (perhaps in Summer time ?) More ideas ? Zelimir -- Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.nele t a écrit : Excellent observation, Bernd! Indeed, the grass is too high for January! The mystery continues. Perhaps Zelimir can tell us if there is anything in Lespiault and Forquignon's report that corroborates any of the features of Poyet's illustration. Here is a link to the original report (in French): http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/CadresFenetre?O=NUMM-3053I=1022M=tdm I love these kinds of meteorite mysteries. Let's solve it! I'll keep looking... Mike Bandli -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bernd V. Pauli Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 1:26 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall) Hello List, I wrote: St. Caprais-de-Quinsac...Gironde (France) Fell 1883, Jan 28, 14:45 hrs Sounds good, looks good, ... but: Have a close look at the date of the fall: Jan 28 !!! Now, when you compare this with Mike B.'s remarks: One will note that there are many farmers about and the horse is saddled with the hay carriage. The only conclusion we can thus draw is that the scene depicts an (imaginary?) event in late summer during the harvest season, probably August. Another possibility might be that Poyet so-to-speak merged two incidents: the fall of the St. Caprais-de-Quinsac meteorite and the harvest scene. A case of ... artistic license? Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at
Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
Many thanks for the quick translation, Zelimir! One other tidbit that might help with searches. The artist's full name is Louis Poyet (1846-1913). He was a remarkable French artist who specialized in engravings. It looks like he had many engravings published in numerous 19th c. French magazines, mostly La Nature. -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 3:05 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall) Hi Mike, List, Here is a rapid translation of the essentials of the St Caprais fall report: -- On Sunday January 28, 1883 at 2:45 (p.m.) the whole population of St Caprais, Gironde Department (ZG Note: This is the Bordeaux area, thus near parallel 40° North) was frightened by a series of 5 violent shots (bangs) comparable to cannon shots, which were followed a noise (rumbling ?) resembling a shooting. People who stood outside their houses noticed a black cloud towards the direction where the noise came from: the black cloud was like an explosion smoke, very different from the ordinary clouds covering (that day) the whole skies. 2 farmers (Perrotin father son) noticed an ignited object falling in the South-East direction, so close from where they stood so that they could notice the exact place where the object hit the ground. Nobody considered seeking the aerolite the same day. But the next day, a Mr. Elliot, having consulted the witnesses, found at that exact place a dense stone weighing 282.5 grams, burried 0.1 meter deep, the hole dimensions on the surface being 0.06 x 0.04 m. The number of shots heard at St Caprais and in the neighboring villages could assume the presence of other fragments; but the latter, if ever existed, were never collected (ZG note: it is not said that they were never FOUND...) . - The rest of the text deals with some aerolite characteristics, probably not worth further translation. This is thus a rapid translation of the major events of interest for the issue, of concern. I believe Bernd, who is sure as fluent in French as myself, would agree. Apparently this does not trow more light to the mystery as it was obviously the winter time and even around Bordeaux, there should not be any wheat (or alike) in the fields Bernd is right to point out that this painting can be a view of an artist, possibly painted some time after the event (perhaps in Summer time ?) More ideas ? Zelimir -- Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.nele t a écrit : Excellent observation, Bernd! Indeed, the grass is too high for January! The mystery continues. Perhaps Zelimir can tell us if there is anything in Lespiault and Forquignon's report that corroborates any of the features of Poyet's illustration. Here is a link to the original report (in French): http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/CadresFenetre?O=NUMM-3053I=1022M=tdm I love these kinds of meteorite mysteries. Let's solve it! I'll keep looking... Mike Bandli -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
Wouw Mike, this is an excellent idea. Imagine, I have a set of about 30 or so big leather bound (double ?) volumes of La Nature in French, extending from early 1880's to about 1926. I know there are many meteorite fall reports and related engravings but these volumes were acquired recently and I actually never found time to browse trough. I'll have a look tomorrow and let you know some thoughts (today it is very late here - just the early morning of Jan 3). Keep tuned, Zelimir -- Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net a écrit : Many thanks for the quick translation, Zelimir! One other tidbit that might help with searches. The artist's full name is Louis Poyet (1846-1913). He was a remarkable French artist who specialized in engravings. It looks like he had many engravings published in numerous 19th c. French magazines, mostly La Nature. -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 3:05 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall) Hi Mike, List, Here is a rapid translation of the essentials of the St Caprais fall report: -- On Sunday January 28, 1883 at 2:45 (p.m.) the whole population of St Caprais, Gironde Department (ZG Note: This is the Bordeaux area, thus near parallel 40° North) was frightened by a series of 5 violent shots (bangs) comparable to cannon shots, which were followed a noise (rumbling ?) resembling a shooting. People who stood outside their houses noticed a black cloud towards the direction where the noise came from: the black cloud was like an explosion smoke, very different from the ordinary clouds covering (that day) the whole skies. 2 farmers (Perrotin father son) noticed an ignited object falling in the South-East direction, so close from where they stood so that they could notice the exact place where the object hit the ground. Nobody considered seeking the aerolite the same day. But the next day, a Mr. Elliot, having consulted the witnesses, found at that exact place a dense stone weighing 282.5 grams, burried 0.1 meter deep, the hole dimensions on the surface being 0.06 x 0.04 m. The number of shots heard at St Caprais and in the neighboring villages could assume the presence of other fragments; but the latter, if ever existed, were never collected (ZG note: it is not said that they were never FOUND...) . - The rest of the text deals with some aerolite characteristics, probably not worth further translation. This is thus a rapid translation of the major events of interest for the issue, of concern. I believe Bernd, who is sure as fluent in French as myself, would agree. Apparently this does not trow more light to the mystery as it was obviously the winter time and even around Bordeaux, there should not be any wheat (or alike) in the fields Bernd is right to point out that this painting can be a view of an artist, possibly painted some time after the event (perhaps in Summer time ?) More ideas ? Zelimir -- Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.nele t a écrit : Excellent observation, Bernd! Indeed, the grass is too high for January! The mystery continues. Perhaps Zelimir can tell us if there is anything in Lespiault and Forquignon's report that corroborates any of the features of Poyet's illustration. Here is a link to the original report (in French): http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/CadresFenetre?O=NUMM-3053I=1022M=tdm I love these kinds of meteorite mysteries. Let's solve it! I'll keep looking... Mike Bandli -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765
Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
Hi Bernd, all... Not to slow the enthusiasm, but if you know the iconography of 19th popular astronomy books, it is quite unlikely, that that engraving depicts a real fall, or even an eyewitness impression, as we are used to know from e.g. the Sikhote-Alin, Hraschina or Boguslavka paintings. Take the by far most popular illustrated astronomy book in French of that period, the Astronomie populaire by Camille Flammarion, the Carl Sagan of the 19.th century. Therein you'll find e.g. an engraving, (btw. of a much higher artistic value, than that one) of a known fall in India. Very pittoresque, with frightened Indians with huge turbans jumping away from the incoming fireball, with romantic Taj-Mahal-like temples in the background of the scenery. So, such engravings are often free captions of the artists, a translation of reports into images. Well, seen the time, maybe the event inspiring Poyet could have been Alfianello, the stone-fall, which caused the broadest stir in the newspapers at those times. Only a guess. Best, Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Bernd V. Pauli Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Januar 2013 22:26 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall) Hello List, I wrote: St. Caprais-de-Quinsac...Gironde (France) Fell 1883, Jan 28, 14:45 hrs Sounds good, looks good, ... but: Have a close look at the date of the fall: Jan 28 !!! Now, when you compare this with Mike B.'s remarks: One will note that there are many farmers about and the horse is saddled with the hay carriage. The only conclusion we can thus draw is that the scene depicts an (imaginary?) event in late summer during the harvest season, probably August. Another possibility might be that Poyet so-to-speak merged two incidents: the fall of the St. Caprais-de-Quinsac meteorite and the harvest scene. A case of ... artistic license? Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Winter Wheat was T-shirt (and French Fall)
Hi Mendy, I'm not sure if they had winter wheat crops back then, but that's actually irrelevent. Winter wheat pertains to a wheat crop that is planted in the fall. It sprouts up and gets about the height of a nice lawn before the snow flies, at which time it takes a nap until spring. When the Sun warms the ground in spring, the wheat takes off and grows at a quick rate and is harvested in ~ mid July. That's how it goes in Michigan anyway. My neighbor grows a particular wheat that is used only in fine pastries! High dollar stuff I hear. Hope that helps! Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com To: Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net Cc: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:05 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall) I know next to nothing about farming, but did they have winter wheat crops back then? Mendy Ouzillou On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net wrote: Excellent observation, Bernd! Indeed, the grass is too high for January! The mystery continues. Perhaps Zelimir can tell us if there is anything in Lespiault and Forquignon's report that corroborates any of the features of Poyet's illustration. Here is a link to the original report (in French): http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/CadresFenetre?O=NUMM-3053I=1022M=tdm I love these kinds of meteorite mysteries. Let's solve it! I'll keep looking... Mike Bandli -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bernd V. Pauli Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 1:26 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall) Hello List, I wrote: St. Caprais-de-Quinsac...Gironde (France) Fell 1883, Jan 28, 14:45 hrs Sounds good, looks good, ... but: Have a close look at the date of the fall: Jan 28 !!! Now, when you compare this with Mike B.'s remarks: One will note that there are many farmers about and the horse is saddled with the hay carriage. The only conclusion we can thus draw is that the scene depicts an (imaginary?) event in late summer during the harvest season, probably August. Another possibility might be that Poyet so-to-speak merged two incidents: the fall of the St. Caprais-de-Quinsac meteorite and the harvest scene. A case of ... artistic license? Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2012 - Year of Meteorite Falls
Hi Mike, List, You said, Five days later on October 17, 2012, a stony meteorite fragmented above the NOVATO area of urban California - sending meteorite hunters and local residents out into the streets to look for stones. One piece reportedly hit a residential home. This one isn't approved yet either, I don't believe. I've heard rumor that nobody has pony'd up the type specimen yet, hmm, hmm. Anyone have the low down? Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:41 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] 2012 - Year of Meteorite Falls 2012 the Year of Meteorite Falls! The year 2012 saw a new record set for most meteorite falls in a single year in the 21st century. I started keeping detailed records of every new meteorite fall that is recovered or reported by reliable sources. Some of these have not been officially approved by the Meteoritical Society yet, but that is not unusual. In 2012, eleven (11) new meteorite falls fit the above criteria to be included on my list. Prior to 2012, the most falls in a single 21st century year (since 2000), was ten falls in 2008. On average, since the year 2000, we have averaged about 5 recovered meteorite falls per year that are either officially accepted by the Meteoritical Society or verified by reliable sources (such as the 2008 Zunhua meteorite fall, which has not been officially approved yet, but is a meteorite nonetheless). The first verified fall of 2012 was a few days before Valentine's Day on February 11, 2012. This was the so-called XINING-Huangzhong, which has not been officially approved yet, but was analyzed and is likely an L6-chondrite. About three weeks later, on March 01, 2012, the OSLO meteorite struck a roof in Norway. But, it was the April 22, 2012 spectacular SUTTER'S MILL meteorite fall that took the meteorite world by storm. A rare sub-type of CM carbonaceous chondrite, this celestial black gold showered over a strewnfield that happened to be the birthing ground of the legendary California Gold Rush. This one is arguably one of the most scientifically-iimportant meteorites to fall since Tagish Lake. Just a couple weeks later, an ordinary chondrite fell over the DIPLO area of Pakistan. This event was overshadowed by the ongoing media circus surrounding the recent Sutter's Mill fall. People did pay attention on May 22nd, when a strange green achondrite showered the KATOL area of India with fresh stones - at least of which were reported to strike roofs and farmhouses. This weird meteorite is unlike any seen before and preliminary testing points to an igneous ungrouped achondrite. Again, roughly two weeks after the Katol fall, another meteorite fell near COMAYAGUA Honduras on June 3, 2012. News of this fall was pushed aside by the recent excitement and focus on the more scientifically-significant Sutter's Mill and Katol falls. Just five days later on June 8 2012, yet another meteorite fell over JALANGI India. Like Comayagua, Jalangi is an ordinary chondrite. On August 22, 2012, American meteorites got excited when a fireball showered meteorites over the remote area of BATTLE MOUNTAIN Nevada. Strangely, Battle Mountain is one of only two meteorites from 2012 to be officially approved by the Meteoritical Society (the other was Sutter's Mill). Battle Mountain is an L6 chondrite. The month of October was a very busy one in 2012 - the last three verified meteorite falls of the year took place in October. On October 12, 2012, a meteorite fell over a remote area of Morocco in the High Atlas mountains. This meteorite has been called BENI YACOUB and is likely to be an ordinary chondrite. Five days later on October 17, 2012, a stony meteorite fragmented above the NOVATO area of urban California - sending meteorite hunters and local residents out into the streets to look for stones. One piece reportedly hit a residential home. Lastly, on the day before Halloween (October 30, 2012), the ADDISON meteorite fell over the forests in south-central Alabama. We averaged almost one recovered meteorite fall per month in 2012. Part of that is due to new observation and tracking cooperation by services like Galactic Analytics, doppler radar, internet communication, and increased overall awareness of meteorites. PS - we had another likely fall in Sri Lanka recently, but nothing has been recovered yet as of this writing. Let us hope that 2013 is a busy year as well. :) Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 -
Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
His son was a photographer. Here's an interesting piece. http://131.253.14.66/proxy.ashx?h=I16l_o4Ri25lLYlb-Q009NPpP3R-7NiBa=http%3A%2F%2Fmemoirephotographiquechampenoise.org%2Ffondspoyet.article.sauveta.htm From: fuzzf...@comcast.net To: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:28:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall) Many thanks for the quick translation, Zelimir! One other tidbit that might help with searches. The artist's full name is Louis Poyet (1846-1913). He was a remarkable French artist who specialized in engravings. It looks like he had many engravings published in numerous 19th c. French magazines, mostly La Nature. -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 3:05 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall) Hi Mike, List, Here is a rapid translation of the essentials of the St Caprais fall report: -- On Sunday January 28, 1883 at 2:45 (p.m.) the whole population of St Caprais, Gironde Department (ZG Note: This is the Bordeaux area, thus near parallel 40° North) was frightened by a series of 5 violent shots (bangs) comparable to cannon shots, which were followed a noise (rumbling ?) resembling a shooting. People who stood outside their houses noticed a black cloud towards the direction where the noise came from: the black cloud was like an explosion smoke, very different from the ordinary clouds covering (that day) the whole skies. 2 farmers (Perrotin father son) noticed an ignited object falling in the South-East direction, so close from where they stood so that they could notice the exact place where the object hit the ground. Nobody considered seeking the aerolite the same day. But the next day, a Mr. Elliot, having consulted the witnesses, found at that exact place a dense stone weighing 282.5 grams, burried 0.1 meter deep, the hole dimensions on the surface being 0.06 x 0.04 m. The number of shots heard at St Caprais and in the neighboring villages could assume the presence of other fragments; but the latter, if ever existed, were never collected (ZG note: it is not said that they were never FOUND...) . - The rest of the text deals with some aerolite characteristics, probably not worth further translation. This is thus a rapid translation of the major events of interest for the issue, of concern. I believe Bernd, who is sure as fluent in French as myself, would agree. Apparently this does not trow more light to the mystery as it was obviously the winter time and even around Bordeaux, there should not be any wheat (or alike) in the fields Bernd is right to point out that this painting can be a view of an artist, possibly painted some time after the event (perhaps in Summer time ?) More ideas ? Zelimir -- Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.nele t a écrit : Excellent observation, Bernd! Indeed, the grass is too high for January! The mystery continues. Perhaps Zelimir can tell us if there is anything in Lespiault and Forquignon's report that corroborates any of the features of Poyet's illustration. Here is a link to the original report (in French): http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/CadresFenetre?O=NUMM-3053I=1022M=tdm I love these kinds of meteorite mysteries. Let's solve it! I'll keep looking... Mike Bandli -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual
Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
Maybe this one will work. http://memoirephotographiquechampenoise.org/fondspoyet.article.sauveta.htm From: parkforest...@hotmail.com To: fuzzf...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 22:46:12 -0600 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall) His son was a photographer. Here's an interesting piece. http://131.253.14.66/proxy.ashx?h=I16l_o4Ri25lLYlb-Q009NPpP3R-7NiBa=http%3A%2F%2Fmemoirephotographiquechampenoise.org%2Ffondspoyet.article.sauveta.htm From: fuzzf...@comcast.net To: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:28:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall) Many thanks for the quick translation, Zelimir! One other tidbit that might help with searches. The artist's full name is Louis Poyet (1846-1913). He was a remarkable French artist who specialized in engravings. It looks like he had many engravings published in numerous 19th c. French magazines, mostly La Nature. -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 3:05 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall) Hi Mike, List, Here is a rapid translation of the essentials of the St Caprais fall report: -- On Sunday January 28, 1883 at 2:45 (p.m.) the whole population of St Caprais, Gironde Department (ZG Note: This is the Bordeaux area, thus near parallel 40° North) was frightened by a series of 5 violent shots (bangs) comparable to cannon shots, which were followed a noise (rumbling ?) resembling a shooting. People who stood outside their houses noticed a black cloud towards the direction where the noise came from: the black cloud was like an explosion smoke, very different from the ordinary clouds covering (that day) the whole skies. 2 farmers (Perrotin father son) noticed an ignited object falling in the South-East direction, so close from where they stood so that they could notice the exact place where the object hit the ground. Nobody considered seeking the aerolite the same day. But the next day, a Mr. Elliot, having consulted the witnesses, found at that exact place a dense stone weighing 282.5 grams, burried 0.1 meter deep, the hole dimensions on the surface being 0.06 x 0.04 m. The number of shots heard at St Caprais and in the neighboring villages could assume the presence of other fragments; but the latter, if ever existed, were never collected (ZG note: it is not said that they were never FOUND...) . - The rest of the text deals with some aerolite characteristics, probably not worth further translation. This is thus a rapid translation of the major events of interest for the issue, of concern. I believe Bernd, who is sure as fluent in French as myself, would agree. Apparently this does not trow more light to the mystery as it was obviously the winter time and even around Bordeaux, there should not be any wheat (or alike) in the fields Bernd is right to point out that this painting can be a view of an artist, possibly painted some time after the event (perhaps in Summer time ?) More ideas ? Zelimir -- Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.nele t a écrit : Excellent observation, Bernd! Indeed, the grass is too high for January! The mystery continues. Perhaps Zelimir can tell us if there is anything in Lespiault and Forquignon's report that corroborates any of the features of Poyet's illustration. Here is a link to the original report (in French): http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/CadresFenetre?O=NUMM-3053I=1022M=tdm I
Re: [meteorite-list] 2012 - Year of Meteorite Falls
Type specimen has not been given by any of the finders. Sadly another meteorite in limbo. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jan 2, 2013, at 9:35 PM, Larry Atkins thetop...@aol.com wrote: Hi Mike, List, You said, Five days later on October 17, 2012, a stony meteorite fragmented above the NOVATO area of urban California - sending meteorite hunters and local residents out into the streets to look for stones. One piece reportedly hit a residential home. This one isn't approved yet either, I don't believe. I've heard rumor that nobody has pony'd up the type specimen yet, hmm, hmm. Anyone have the low down? Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:41 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] 2012 - Year of Meteorite Falls 2012 the Year of Meteorite Falls! The year 2012 saw a new record set for most meteorite falls in a single year in the 21st century. I started keeping detailed records of every new meteorite fall that is recovered or reported by reliable sources. Some of these have not been officially approved by the Meteoritical Society yet, but that is not unusual. In 2012, eleven (11) new meteorite falls fit the above criteria to be included on my list. Prior to 2012, the most falls in a single 21st century year (since 2000), was ten falls in 2008. On average, since the year 2000, we have averaged about 5 recovered meteorite falls per year that are either officially accepted by the Meteoritical Society or verified by reliable sources (such as the 2008 Zunhua meteorite fall, which has not been officially approved yet, but is a meteorite nonetheless). The first verified fall of 2012 was a few days before Valentine's Day on February 11, 2012. This was the so-called XINING-Huangzhong, which has not been officially approved yet, but was analyzed and is likely an L6-chondrite. About three weeks later, on March 01, 2012, the OSLO meteorite struck a roof in Norway. But, it was the April 22, 2012 spectacular SUTTER'S MILL meteorite fall that took the meteorite world by storm. A rare sub-type of CM carbonaceous chondrite, this celestial black gold showered over a strewnfield that happened to be the birthing ground of the legendary California Gold Rush. This one is arguably one of the most scientifically-iimportant meteorites to fall since Tagish Lake. Just a couple weeks later, an ordinary chondrite fell over the DIPLO area of Pakistan. This event was overshadowed by the ongoing media circus surrounding the recent Sutter's Mill fall. People did pay attention on May 22nd, when a strange green achondrite showered the KATOL area of India with fresh stones - at least of which were reported to strike roofs and farmhouses. This weird meteorite is unlike any seen before and preliminary testing points to an igneous ungrouped achondrite. Again, roughly two weeks after the Katol fall, another meteorite fell near COMAYAGUA Honduras on June 3, 2012. News of this fall was pushed aside by the recent excitement and focus on the more scientifically-significant Sutter's Mill and Katol falls. Just five days later on June 8 2012, yet another meteorite fell over JALANGI India. Like Comayagua, Jalangi is an ordinary chondrite. On August 22, 2012, American meteorites got excited when a fireball showered meteorites over the remote area of BATTLE MOUNTAIN Nevada. Strangely, Battle Mountain is one of only two meteorites from 2012 to be officially approved by the Meteoritical Society (the other was Sutter's Mill). Battle Mountain is an L6 chondrite. The month of October was a very busy one in 2012 - the last three verified meteorite falls of the year took place in October. On October 12, 2012, a meteorite fell over a remote area of Morocco in the High Atlas mountains. This meteorite has been called BENI YACOUB and is likely to be an ordinary chondrite. Five days later on October 17, 2012, a stony meteorite fragmented above the NOVATO area of urban California - sending meteorite hunters and local residents out into the streets to look for stones. One piece reportedly hit a residential home. Lastly, on the day before Halloween (October 30, 2012), the ADDISON meteorite fell over the forests in south-central Alabama. We averaged almost one recovered meteorite fall per month in 2012. Part of that is due to new observation and tracking cooperation by services like Galactic Analytics, doppler radar, internet communication, and increased overall awareness of meteorites. PS - we had another likely fall in Sri Lanka recently, but nothing has been recovered yet as of this writing. Let us hope that 2013 is a busy year as well. :) Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- - Web -
Re: [meteorite-list] 2012 - Year of Meteorite Falls
I thought the first stone originally found, the yes-no-yes stone (thank you Bob Verish for the last yes), was donated to Peter Jennisken's so that it could be typed and studied. Was that not the case? Mendy -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 8:42 PM To: Larry Atkins Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2012 - Year of Meteorite Falls Type specimen has not been given by any of the finders. Sadly another meteorite in limbo. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jan 2, 2013, at 9:35 PM, Larry Atkins thetop...@aol.com wrote: Hi Mike, List, You said, Five days later on October 17, 2012, a stony meteorite fragmented above the NOVATO area of urban California - sending meteorite hunters and local residents out into the streets to look for stones. One piece reportedly hit a residential home. This one isn't approved yet either, I don't believe. I've heard rumor that nobody has pony'd up the type specimen yet, hmm, hmm. Anyone have the low down? Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:41 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] 2012 - Year of Meteorite Falls 2012 the Year of Meteorite Falls! The year 2012 saw a new record set for most meteorite falls in a single year in the 21st century. I started keeping detailed records of every new meteorite fall that is recovered or reported by reliable sources. Some of these have not been officially approved by the Meteoritical Society yet, but that is not unusual. In 2012, eleven (11) new meteorite falls fit the above criteria to be included on my list. Prior to 2012, the most falls in a single 21st century year (since 2000), was ten falls in 2008. On average, since the year 2000, we have averaged about 5 recovered meteorite falls per year that are either officially accepted by the Meteoritical Society or verified by reliable sources (such as the 2008 Zunhua meteorite fall, which has not been officially approved yet, but is a meteorite nonetheless). The first verified fall of 2012 was a few days before Valentine's Day on February 11, 2012. This was the so-called XINING-Huangzhong, which has not been officially approved yet, but was analyzed and is likely an L6-chondrite. About three weeks later, on March 01, 2012, the OSLO meteorite struck a roof in Norway. But, it was the April 22, 2012 spectacular SUTTER'S MILL meteorite fall that took the meteorite world by storm. A rare sub-type of CM carbonaceous chondrite, this celestial black gold showered over a strewnfield that happened to be the birthing ground of the legendary California Gold Rush. This one is arguably one of the most scientifically-iimportant meteorites to fall since Tagish Lake. Just a couple weeks later, an ordinary chondrite fell over the DIPLO area of Pakistan. This event was overshadowed by the ongoing media circus surrounding the recent Sutter's Mill fall. People did pay attention on May 22nd, when a strange green achondrite showered the KATOL area of India with fresh stones - at least of which were reported to strike roofs and farmhouses. This weird meteorite is unlike any seen before and preliminary testing points to an igneous ungrouped achondrite. Again, roughly two weeks after the Katol fall, another meteorite fell near COMAYAGUA Honduras on June 3, 2012. News of this fall was pushed aside by the recent excitement and focus on the more scientifically-significant Sutter's Mill and Katol falls. Just five days later on June 8 2012, yet another meteorite fell over JALANGI India. Like Comayagua, Jalangi is an ordinary chondrite. On August 22, 2012, American meteorites got excited when a fireball showered meteorites over the remote area of BATTLE MOUNTAIN Nevada. Strangely, Battle Mountain is one of only two meteorites from 2012 to be officially approved by the Meteoritical Society (the other was Sutter's Mill). Battle Mountain is an L6 chondrite. The month of October was a very busy one in 2012 - the last three verified meteorite falls of the year took place in October. On October 12, 2012, a meteorite fell over a remote area of Morocco in the High Atlas mountains. This meteorite has been called BENI YACOUB and is likely to be an ordinary chondrite. Five days later on October 17, 2012, a stony meteorite fragmented above the NOVATO area of urban California - sending meteorite hunters and local residents out into the streets to look for stones. One piece reportedly hit a residential home. Lastly, on the day before Halloween (October 30, 2012), the ADDISON meteorite fell over the forests
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