[meteorite-list] FCM: AD-add: New Imilchil-iron Budget-Individuals
Hello there, well, in some cultures the new week starts on Saturday (and we will be good boysgirls and will be quiet the necessary following days) but the initial Ad is already sold out and we were asked for more of the new iron recovery. So excuse us, that we post now additional specimens. They get smaller and smaller, hence this time for really every collector something suitable should to be found. For the newer collectors (all others please: ignore.) Of course we do have Paypal. Ordering from Europe is not dangerous (we do that since many, many years and since thousands of meteorite specimens), shipping to U.S. takes usually 7 +/-2 working days. We understand and speak (tolerably at least) English and the Boss of the FC Meteorite House has even an IMCA-number. (#3503) - so all in all it doesn't need much confidence to order. Postage for all sizes/weights/numbers is 4.6$, respectively 7$ (registered). These ones we have to show, although just sold these very minutes, because they were the best ones. Imilchil is externally strongly weathered, so only with a very few specimens the original shapes are preserved. http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_Set_Formensch%C3%B6n_49_37_g_%2001 .JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_Set_Formensch%C3%B6n_49_37_g_%2002 .JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_Set_Formensch%C3%B6n_49_37_g_%2003 .JPG And now, here we go: I) 26.75g$123 http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_26_75_g_%2001.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_26_75_g_%2002.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_26_75_g_%2003.JPG K) 24.65g$113 http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_24_65_g_%2001.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_24_65_g_%2002.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_24_65_g_%2003.JPG a) 21.86g$98 http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_21_86_g_%2001.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_21_86_g_%2002.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_21_86_g_%2003.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_21_86_g_%2004.JPG b) 21.07g$96 http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_21_07_g_%2001.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_21_07_g_%2002.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_21_07_g_%2003.JPG c) 20.20g$92 http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_20_20_g_%2001.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_20_20_g_%2002.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_20_20_g_%2003.JPG d) 20.17g$92 http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_20_17_g_%2001.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_20_17_g_%2002.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_20_17_g_%2003.JPG e) 16.44g$75 http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_16_44_g_%2001.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_16_44_g_%2002.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_16_44_g_%2003.JPG f) 16.06g$73 http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_16_06_g_%2001.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_16_06_g_%2002.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_16_06_g_%2003.JPG g) 15.18g$69 http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_15_18_g_%2001.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_15_18_g_%2002.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_15_18_g_%2003.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_15_18_g_%2004.JPG h) 15.13g$69 http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_15_13_g_%2001.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_15_13_g_%2002.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_15_13_g_%2003.JPG i) 14.86g$68 http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_14_86_g_%2001.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_14_86_g_%2002.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_14_86_g_%2003.JPG j) 13.78g$63 http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_13_78_g_%2001.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_13_78_g_%2002.JPG http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_13_78_g_%2003.JPG N) Set of 6 34.03g$156 http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_Setof6_34_03_g_%2001.JPG l) Set of 8 29.04g$133 http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_Setof8_29_04_g_%2001.JPG m) Set of 8 23.81g$109 http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Imilchil_Setof8_23_81_g_%2001.JPG IF you're in a need for smaller specimens, we have still a lot of such, down to 1 gram. Just give us the amount you'd like to spend, price per gram is 4.6$ and Ironmaster Andi Gren will choose the nicest one for you, meeting your specifications. Best regards! Your FC Meteorite House A.Gren M.Altmann M.Kurschat E. V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Some Auctions To Check Out ....
Check These out: Thanks, Michael Cottingham ALL SALE ITEMS HERE: http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history ALL AUCTIONS HERE: http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 2013 Tucson Gem Show Astronomy Event
Hello Everyone: If you are still here on Saturday February 16 during the day or evening and have some free time, Astronomy Magazine is holding a day-long event at Pima Community College on the far east side. This is open to everyone. The Tucson Amateur Astronomy Association will be there and I will be there with James Webb Space Telescope related activities (along with the Girl Scouts). Please come if you can. http://www.astronomy.com/News-Observing/News/2013/01/Spend%20a%20day%20skywatching%20in%20Tucson.aspx Larry Lebofsky Dear Listees: As most of you know, for the past thirteen years my Meteorite Men co-host, Steve Arnold, and I have held the Meteor Mayhem Birthday Bash in the middle of the Tucson gem show. This is due partly to the fact that we share the same birthday -- Feb. 1 -- and partly because we like to do something positive, each year, to bring the meteorite community together. It's not an easy task, but we try : ) The Birthday Bash started off rather small, at El Charro many years ago, and has now grown into a major event with live video broadcasts, award ceremonies, comedy sketches, guest stars, and so on. It is also a monumental task to organize. With the added responsibility of exhibiting at two locations during the gem show as well as numerous science, education, and media obligations, I have discovered that I cannot devote the amount of time required to properly plan the party. I know this is a very popular event and I would be sad to cancel it, especially in light of the fact that a number of people fly in especially for it, each year. I am therefore delighted to announce that, as of this year, my excellent friend Maria Haas will be hosting the event, which we'll probably now just call the Meteor Mayhem Bash or something like that. Steve and I will still be present, the Harvey Awards will continue, but we will see some fresh direction and thought put into the awards and the party. The time has come to happily hand over the baton. Maria is the extremely popular Treasurer of the IMCA, a Tucson resident, and one heck of a good party planner (I know this from personal experience). With a new host comes a new and exciting venue, with great live music from local Tucson artists: The party will be Friday, February 8th, 2013 at: El Dorado Restaurant Bar 1949 S 4th Ave Tucson, AZ 85713 Happy Hour/Cocktails: 7 9 pm Harvey Awards: 9:00 pm Live music with: Kevin Pakulis, Amy Langley, and Coyote Supper Club: 10 pm If this is your first time visiting Tucson and you perhaps feel that you don't have any friends here, please know you are WARMLY invited. The party is a great way to meet a very large part of the meteorite community in one place, at one time. First-timers are *especially* welcome! And that's it. It'll be a little different, but it'll also be great. Steve and I will both be there, I will be considerably less stressed, and am planning on having a stellar time : ) Big thanks to Maria, see you all there, cheers! Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteorites.co __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nwa 7034
Hello Martian guys Nwa 7034 is a new type of Martian It doesn't fit into snc groups So it make sens to name it as a new group a As I said morroconaite is a good one Thus what I suggest in Honor of nwa hunters S schergotite N nakhla C chassiny M morroconaite /Saharanite This is not something we should argue about a new groups need a new names SNCM So who is giving names now NASA or nomcom or who I would realy that this be considered Anne BB was a nickname for black beauty It was called so before dr carl agee analyse it Than it become basaltic breccia what a coincidence All the best Aziz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ensisehim 2013 news
ENSISHEIM METEORITE 2013 NEWS (January 26, 2013) Dear meteorite friends Meteorite-Central List Please find here the preliminary news concerning the 14th edition of our meteorite show Ensisheim-Meteorite 2013, expecting this will reach you in time before you start the next Tucson blast where most of you who live overseas (and from the vast world as well) will gather soon. This info completes the official flyer that will be ready in a couple of weeks and that I will be glad to forward you individually, upon request. Further show details will be also sent to the List in a couple of months, as every year. Here are just the main changes useful for those wishing to book tables and foresee specific arrangements. SHOW DATES: Saturday June 22 (9:30-18:00) and Sunday June 23 (9:30-16:00), 2012 (the weekend preceding the Mineral Gem show that is held in Ste Marie-aux-Mines, relatively nearby (~ 80 km), with Friday June 21 as the dealers day). SHOW LOCATION: Exceptionally this year, THE SHOW LOCATION MUST BE CHANGED! Indeed, the famous Regency Palace which is the usual and unavoidable place to set the show, is subject to heavy works that unfortunately will not be completed by the due date. While the external buildings are expected to be reconditioned, the interior halls will by no means be accessible in June: all the rooms and corridors will be restored and repainted while an elevator (lift) will be built so as to facilitate the rise and handling of your heavy meteorite boxes in future. (Hey, never worry, the famous medieval spiral staircase will stay untouched). Naturally in 2014, for the 15th Anniversary of the show coinciding with the 30th Anniversary of the Confraternity of Guardians creation, a brand renovated Regency Palace will welcome you again! For 2013 (only) we have obtained another separate building called FOYER St MARTIN, which is located quite close (about 350 m) to the Regency palace, and just separated from the Domaine du Moulin hotel by the main street (distance ~150 m). You can find the place, the building picture and the access map in the following link: http://www.jds.fr/agenda/manifestations/expo-bourse-aux-meteorites-2013-a-ensisheim-53539_A The Foyer consists in one large 18.6 x 12 meter room, resembling the Regency main hall, though larger. The usual 160x80 cm tables will be arranged similar to the Regency arrangement, namely all around the walls and also arranged in a middle square. The daylight basically comes from the glass ceiling, and will provide a uniform illumination (personal lighting is always allowed). This means that the characteristics (light etc) of every place in the hall will be practically the same. A small bar, dressing room, telephone room, restrooms are adjacent to the main hall. Opposite the entry is a podium accessible from both hall sides by 2 staircases. The podium will host the genuine Ensisheim meteorite in its display window, the thematic exhibit (Meteorites from Antarctica see below) and the consignment room, all visible from the main floor. 3 doors on the west side lead to a large terrace (18x8 m) where at least 4 tents will be erected, each containing 4 dealer tables. The terrace itself adjoins a large park providing all the usual facilities (tables for food, leisure, snacks, tent for dinner party, enthroning ceremonies, Friday friendly drink, every day drinks, music, beverage bars, dance ). In fact, all what was set on the Regency main square will be shifted to that park next to the Foyer terrace. The other advantage of the park is presence of TREES that could be a welcome protection against the hot June sunlight. In summary, the whole show and all its usual accessories are shifted by 350 m from the Regency palace buildings, totally condemned during works. The usual restaurants (e.g. Boeuf Rouge) are of course permanently open. TABLE RENTING AND RESERVATION Friday June 21st is the DEALERS DAY devoted for tables/booth set up. The Foyer room and tents are exclusively open to dealers (14:00 - 18:00), and NOT to the public. Gathering in the park is scheduled for everybody (dealers invited) for 18:15 when the enthroning ceremonies followed by the traditional friendly drink start. The total number of tables remains limited to about 55. (about 45-50 dealers). Price is per table, NOT per meter: unchanged since many years (recalled in the future flyer). TABLE RESERVATION PROCEDURE. Just write me! (mail is the most reliable contact, phone being not recommended). My mail remains unchanged: Zelimir zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr TABLE AVAILABILITY. All former dealers have full priority to reserve their last year table(s). More precisely, for 2013, this reservation concerns the NUMBER of tables, not their precise LOCATION. Indeed, you guess that the table allocation, as set in the Regency palace,
[meteorite-list] (AD) Small Canyon Diablo's for sale
Hi List I have a number of small Canyon Diablo's for sale. All have an interesting shape, including a horse-shaped (34.5g) piece. If you are interested please take a look at: http://s977.beta.photobucket.com/user/alexanders_dad/library/Canyon%20Diablo Price is $70 for the horse (34.5g); $125 for the 174g piece; all others at $1/gram. Shipping is $4 for any piece worldwide. If you purchase more than one piece shipping is $4 + $1 per additional item. Thanks for looking! Nigel IMCA 5835 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisehim 2013 news
Dear Zelimir and list members, Main theme: “METEORITES FROM ANTARCTICA” What an excellent idea! Follow the Antarctic expedition with Vinciane Debaille and her colleagues here: http://antarctica.oma.be/ Happy hunting! Best regards, Martin Von: Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr An: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Ensisehim 2013 news Datum: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:21:53 +0100 ENSISHEIM “METEORITE 2013” NEWS (January 26, 2013) Dear meteorite friends Meteorite-Central List Please find here the preliminary news concerning the 14th edition of our meteorite show “Ensisheim-Meteorite 2013”, expecting this will reach you in time before you start the next “Tucson blast” where most of you who live “overseas” (and from the vast world as well) will gather soon. This info completes the official flyer that will be ready in a couple of weeks and that I will be glad to forward you individually, upon request. Further show details will be also sent to the List in a couple of months, as every year. Here are just the main changes useful for those wishing to book tables and foresee specific arrangements. SHOW DATES: Saturday June 22 (9:30-18:00) and Sunday June 23 (9:30-16:00), 2012 (the weekend preceding the “Mineral Gem” show that is held in Ste Marie-aux-Mines, relatively nearby (~ 80 km), with Friday June 21 as the “dealer’s day”). SHOW LOCATION: Exceptionally this year, THE SHOW LOCATION MUST BE CHANGED! Indeed, the famous Regency Palace which is the usual and unavoidable place to set the show, is subject to heavy works that unfortunately will not be completed by the due date. While the external buildings are expected to be reconditioned, the interior halls will by no means be accessible in June: all the rooms and corridors will be restored and repainted while an elevator (lift) will be built so as to facilitate the rise and handling of your heavy meteorite boxes in future. (Hey, never worry, the famous medieval spiral staircase will stay untouched). Naturally in 2014, for the 15th Anniversary of the show coinciding with the 30th Anniversary of the Confraternity of Guardians creation, a brand renovated Regency Palace will welcome you again! For 2013 (only) we have obtained another separate building called “FOYER St MARTIN”, which is located quite close (about 350 m) to the Regency palace, and just separated from the “Domaine du Moulin” hotel by the main street (distance ~150 m). You can find the place, the building picture and the access map in the following link: http://www.jds.fr/agenda/manifestations/expo-bourse-aux-meteorites-2013-a-ensisheim-53539_A The “Foyer” consists in one large 18.6 x 12 meter room, resembling the Regency main hall, though larger. The usual 160x80 cm tables will be arranged similar to the Regency arrangement, namely all around the walls and also arranged in a “middle square”. The daylight basically comes from the glass ceiling, and will provide a uniform illumination (personal lighting is always allowed). This means that the characteristics (light etc) of every place in the hall will be practically the same. A small bar, dressing room, telephone room, restrooms … are adjacent to the main hall. Opposite the entry is a podium accessible from both hall sides by 2 staircases. The podium will host the genuine Ensisheim meteorite in its display window, the thematic exhibit (Meteorites from Antarctica – see below) and the consignment room, all visible from the main floor. 3 doors on the west side lead to a large terrace (18x8 m) where at least 4 tents will be erected, each containing 4 dealer tables. The terrace itself adjoins a large park providing all the usual facilities (tables for food, leisure, snacks, tent for dinner party, enthroning ceremonies, Friday friendly drink, every day drinks, music, beverage bars, dance…). In fact, all what was set on the Regency main square will be shifted to that park next to the “Foyer” terrace. The other advantage of the park is presence of TREES that could be a welcome protection against the hot June sunlight. In summary, the whole show and all its usual accessories are shifted by 350 m from the Regency palace buildings, totally condemned during works. The usual restaurants (e.g. “Boeuf Rouge”) are of course permanently open. TABLE RENTING AND RESERVATION Friday June 21st is the DEALER’S DAY devoted for tables/booth set up. The Foyer room and tents are exclusively open to dealers (14:00 - 18:00), and NOT to the public. Gathering in the park is scheduled for everybody (dealers invited) for 18:15 when the enthroning ceremonies followed by the traditional friendly drink start. The total number of tables remains limited to about
[meteorite-list] AD - IMILCHIL new iron from Morocco
Hello List What I can say, new iron comes up to the light. Specimens with very nice shapes what is hard to show on photos. Specimen looks much better in person. Remainds me Mundrabilla or Gibeon when comparing external surface. Working on few etches specimens right now. Enjoy http://www.polandmet.com/_imilchil.htm -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
Hi Carl,] Saharite is already in use in reference to fulgurites found in the Sahara Desert. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? SNCB What say you all? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
Since Saharite is already in use, and Moroccoite or Maracite (if meant to honor NWA) are overly exclusive (ignoring Algeria, Western Sahara, or even Tunisia and Libya), why not Berberite? (Apologies if this has already been suggested.) The term is inclusive, and honors the people responsible for finding the majority of the meteorites. It's easy to pronounce, does not correspond to any rocks or minerals that I'm aware of, and even has the pair of B's to alliteratively tie it to both Black Beauty and Basaltic Breccia. --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Terry Boswell Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:56 AM To: Carl Agee; meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Hi Carl,] Saharite is already in use in reference to fulgurites found in the Sahara Desert. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? SNCB What say you all? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034
Meteorite group names are not invented by NomCom, and certainly not by NASA. The come from usage in the scientific literature. I think we have to remember why names like shergottite and nakhlite came into being. Scientists like to group similar things to help bring order to chaos. When you know next to nothing, you start by putting similar things together that you can study as a group. Once you learn more, relationships may be found among them. In this case, several groups plus a few oddballs seem to share a common origin: Mars. At this point, it doesn't really help anything to continue to generate trivial names for new groupings. The big advance has been made, and we can call them Martian meteorites. That means it is time to start treating all of these meteorites like we do geological specimens on Earth, using standard kinds of lithologic names. I know the old trivial names will die hard, and a term like shergottite will be with us for a long time. But there is no good reason to continue creating new trivial names. ALH 84001 need only be called a Martian pyroxenite (assuming this is the best rock name for it). If 10 more of these are found, they only need to be called Martian pyroxenites; there is no need to define a useless new term like allanhillsites. The same goes for NWA 7034, which we can call a Martian alkali-rich basalt, or whatever Carl says it is. Note that nomenclature for lunar meteorites was never burdened with trivial names, as there were no famous historical falls or finds. After 30 years, lunar anorthosite meteorites are still just called lunar anorthosites. Scientists don't need to put them in a trival category like calcalongites to distinguish them from the basaltic kalahariites... this would only obscure what we know about all of these, and nobody will ever do it. So let's forget about inventing terms like saharanite or morrocanite or allanhillsite or whatever. (And while we're at it, let's consider forgetting about shergottite, chassignite and nakhlite.) They're unnecessary and useless to science. Jeff On 1/26/2013 11:22 AM, Aziz Habibilp wrote: Hello Martian guys Nwa 7034 is a new type of Martian It doesn't fit into snc groups So it make sens to name it as a new group a As I said morroconaite is a good one Thus what I suggest in Honor of nwa hunters S schergotite N nakhla C chassiny M morroconaite /Saharanite This is not something we should argue about a new groups need a new names SNCM So who is giving names now NASA or nomcom or who I would realy that this be considered Anne BB was a nickname for black beauty It was called so before dr carl agee analyse it Than it become basaltic breccia what a coincidence All the best Aziz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 / saharite
Hi, Saharite is a term I coined many years ago for the crenelated fulgurites from the Sahara that I believed merited a special moniker—and it's a term which never stuck. The references are few and far between and most citations are either my auction description copy or cribbed from the same. While not virgin, the use of the term is unproblematic. Best / d On Jan 26, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Rob Matson wrote: Since Saharite is already in use, and Moroccoite or Maracite (if meant to honor NWA) are overly exclusive (ignoring Algeria, Western Sahara, or even Tunisia and Libya), why not Berberite? (Apologies if this has already been suggested.) The term is inclusive, and honors the people responsible for finding the majority of the meteorites. It's easy to pronounce, does not correspond to any rocks or minerals that I'm aware of, and even has the pair of B's to alliteratively tie it to both Black Beauty and Basaltic Breccia. --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Terry Boswell Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:56 AM To: Carl Agee; meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Hi Carl,] Saharite is already in use in reference to fulgurites found in the Sahara Desert. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? SNCB What say you all? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisehim 2013 news
Hello Martin, all, Martin thanks very much for the link (Antarctica daily adventures) that I should not have forgotten to include! Oh my...too many issues to think about, fast. Indeed here we also do follow their wanderings in the cold Antarctic deserts with a strange mix if anxious and pleasent feelings and we enjoy so much their extraordinary findings. I foresee a superb and very original exhibit of cold wonders in Ensisheim soon. And what a lecture in perspective! You can't miss this! The other mistake I want to correct is the name of Vinciane, one of the important leading members of the Antarctic expedition. Her family name is well DEBAILLE, not Debienne. Thanks Martin, thanks Etienne. Best wishes, Zelimir -- Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de a écrit : Dear Zelimir and list members, Main theme: ?METEORITES FROM ANTARCTICA? What an excellent idea! Follow the Antarctic expedition with Vinciane Debaille and her colleagues here: http://antarctica.oma.be/ Happy hunting! Best regards, Martin Von: Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr An: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Ensisehim 2013 news Datum: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:21:53 +0100 ENSISHEIM ?METEORITE 2013? NEWS (January 26, 2013) Dear meteorite friends Meteorite-Central List Please find here the preliminary news concerning the 14th edition of our meteorite show ?Ensisheim-Meteorite 2013?, expecting this will reach you in time before you start the next ?Tucson blast? where most of you who live ?overseas? (and from the vast world as well) will gather soon. This info completes the official flyer that will be ready in a couple of weeks and that I will be glad to forward you individually, upon request. Further show details will be also sent to the List in a couple of months, as every year. Here are just the main changes useful for those wishing to book tables and foresee specific arrangements. SHOW DATES: Saturday June 22 (9:30-18:00) and Sunday June 23 (9:30-16:00), 2012 (the weekend preceding the ?Mineral Gem? show that is held in Ste Marie-aux-Mines, relatively nearby (~ 80 km), with Friday June 21 as the ?dealer?s day?). SHOW LOCATION: Exceptionally this year, THE SHOW LOCATION MUST BE CHANGED! Indeed, the famous Regency Palace which is the usual and unavoidable place to set the show, is subject to heavy works that unfortunately will not be completed by the due date. While the external buildings are expected to be reconditioned, the interior halls will by no means be accessible in June: all the rooms and corridors will be restored and repainted while an elevator (lift) will be built so as to facilitate the rise and handling of your heavy meteorite boxes in future. (Hey, never worry, the famous medieval spiral staircase will stay untouched). Naturally in 2014, for the 15th Anniversary of the show coinciding with the 30th Anniversary of the Confraternity of Guardians creation, a brand renovated Regency Palace will welcome you again! For 2013 (only) we have obtained another separate building called ?FOYER St MARTIN?, which is located quite close (about 350 m) to the Regency palace, and just separated from the ?Domaine du Moulin? hotel by the main street (distance ~150 m). You can find the place, the building picture and the access map in the following link: http://www.jds.fr/agenda/manifestations/expo-bourse-aux-meteorites-2013-a-ensisheim-53539_A The ?Foyer? consists in one large 18.6 x 12 meter room, resembling the Regency main hall, though larger. The usual 160x80 cm tables will be arranged similar to the Regency arrangement, namely all around the walls and also arranged in a ?middle square?. The daylight basically comes from the glass ceiling, and will provide a uniform illumination (personal lighting is always allowed). This means that the characteristics (light etc) of every place in the hall will be practically the same. A small bar, dressing room, telephone room, restrooms ? are adjacent to the main hall. Opposite the entry is a podium accessible from both hall sides by 2 staircases. The podium will host the genuine Ensisheim meteorite in its display window, the thematic exhibit (Meteorites from Antarctica ? see below) and the consignment room, all visible from the main floor. 3 doors on the west side lead to a large terrace (18x8 m) where at least 4 tents will be erected, each containing 4 dealer tables. The terrace itself adjoins a large park providing all the usual facilities (tables for food, leisure, snacks, tent for dinner party, enthroning ceremonies, Friday friendly drink, every day drinks, music, beverage bars, dance?). In fact, all what was set on the Regency main
Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034
Greetings to all! to honor of Moroccans: nomads,finder and dealers the best name is MOROCCANITE Cheers, Abdelfattah. - Mail original - De : Aziz Habibilp azizhab...@yahoo.com À : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Envoyé le : Samedi 26 janvier 2013 17h22 Objet : [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034 Hello Martian guys Nwa 7034 is a new type of Martian It doesn't fit into snc groups So it make sens to name it as a new group a As I said morroconaite is a good one Thus what I suggest in Honor of nwa hunters S schergotite N nakhla C chassiny M morroconaite /Saharanite This is not something we should argue about a new groups need a new names SNCM So who is giving names now NASA or nomcom or who I would realy that this be considered Anne BB was a nickname for black beauty It was called so before dr carl agee analyse it Than it become basaltic breccia what a coincidence All the best Aziz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
Maroccoite is also close to the mineral Marokite (CaMn2O4) already named to honor the occurrence (Morocco or Maroc in French) Berberite carry many favorable arguments however that name is very close to the mineral Berborite (a BERyllium BORate)... But I agree the NWA countries should be honored. Other suggestions ? Zelimir -- Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Rob Matson mojave_meteori...@cox.net a écrit : Since Saharite is already in use, and Moroccoite or Maracite (if meant to honor NWA) are overly exclusive (ignoring Algeria, Western Sahara, or even Tunisia and Libya), why not Berberite? (Apologies if this has already been suggested.) The term is inclusive, and honors the people responsible for finding the majority of the meteorites. It's easy to pronounce, does not correspond to any rocks or minerals that I'm aware of, and even has the pair of B's to alliteratively tie it to both Black Beauty and Basaltic Breccia. --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Terry Boswell Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:56 AM To: Carl Agee; meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Hi Carl,] Saharite is already in use in reference to fulgurites found in the Sahara Desert. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? SNCB What say you all? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
Hmmm then maybe Maghrebinite ? :-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Januar 2013 23:48 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Maroccoite is also close to the mineral Marokite (CaMn2O4) already named to honor the occurrence (Morocco or Maroc in French) Berberite carry many favorable arguments however that name is very close to the mineral Berborite (a BERyllium BORate)... But I agree the NWA countries should be honored. Other suggestions ? Zelimir -- Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034
Well stated Jeff, one of the few times recently that we agree on issues. There is the fever to coin new terminology for this apparent unique stone (NWA 7034), which in essence is a breccia, but may not be a basaltic breccia. Everyone should calm down and wait until some further research information comes out in the forthcoming LPSC Meeting and the longer term research results that will come to light further on downstream. For those folks eager to get some time in on this naming issue, have fun with it, some of you are, patience to the rest of you. Ted On 1/26/13 1:27 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: Meteorite group names are not invented by NomCom, and certainly not by NASA. The come from usage in the scientific literature. I think we have to remember why names like shergottite and nakhlite came into being. Scientists like to group similar things to help bring order to chaos. When you know next to nothing, you start by putting similar things together that you can study as a group. Once you learn more, relationships may be found among them. In this case, several groups plus a few oddballs seem to share a common origin: Mars. At this point, it doesn't really help anything to continue to generate trivial names for new groupings. The big advance has been made, and we can call them Martian meteorites. That means it is time to start treating all of these meteorites like we do geological specimens on Earth, using standard kinds of lithologic names. I know the old trivial names will die hard, and a term like shergottite will be with us for a long time. But there is no good reason to continue creating new trivial names. ALH 84001 need only be called a Martian pyroxenite (assuming this is the best rock name for it). If 10 more of these are found, they only need to be called Martian pyroxenites; there is no need to define a useless new term like allanhillsites. The same goes for NWA 7034, which we can call a Martian alkali-rich basalt, or whatever Carl says it is. Note that nomenclature for lunar meteorites was never burdened with trivial names, as there were no famous historical falls or finds. After 30 years, lunar anorthosite meteorites are still just called lunar anorthosites. Scientists don't need to put them in a trival category like calcalongites to distinguish them from the basaltic kalahariites... this would only obscure what we know about all of these, and nobody will ever do it. So let's forget about inventing terms like saharanite or morrocanite or allanhillsite or whatever. (And while we're at it, let's consider forgetting about shergottite, chassignite and nakhlite.) They're unnecessary and useless to science. Jeff On 1/26/2013 11:22 AM, Aziz Habibilp wrote: Hello Martian guys Nwa 7034 is a new type of Martian It doesn't fit into snc groups So it make sens to name it as a new group a As I said morroconaite is a good one Thus what I suggest in Honor of nwa hunters S schergotite N nakhla C chassiny M morroconaite /Saharanite This is not something we should argue about a new groups need a new names SNCM So who is giving names now NASA or nomcom or who I would realy that this be considered Anne BB was a nickname for black beauty It was called so before dr carl agee analyse it Than it become basaltic breccia what a coincidence All the best Aziz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
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Hello Ted, Saturday, January 26, 2013, 3:27:34 PM, you wrote: There is the fever to coin new terminology for this apparent unique stone (NWA 7034), If it's not named, how are people supposed to sell dubious samples of it on eBay? :-p~ --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034
Great to hear from you Dr. Ted; and thanks for the levity. - Original Message - From: Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org To: Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034 Hello Ted, Saturday, January 26, 2013, 3:27:34 PM, you wrote: There is the fever to coin new terminology for this apparent unique stone (NWA 7034), If it's not named, how are people supposed to sell dubious samples of it on eBay? :-p~ --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
Hello everyone, Instead of using exotic names for this group I would suggest to give to the new group the name of the place where the NWA 7034 was found like the other groups of the martian meteorites. It will be a honor to all the hunters and dealers in the Maghreb (Morocco, Algeria, Mauritania). All the best Mohammed HMANI I.M.C.A #0153 www.sahara-nayzak.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear Jodie - Selling on eBay is a dubious endeavor in itself. Scientists are not enslaved to the problems of economic gains for the unenlightened eBay flea marketeers. NWA 7034 has extremely significant scientific potential, possibly equivalent to or exceeds that of what the Mars Rovers have/are reporting. After all, having a Martian specimen in-hand that has water and Martian atmospheric signatures together with the potential for other science options that can be investigated via the in-depth array of Earth-based instruments, may far exceed most present expectations of Rover sensing. To quote me, patience. You can make more money if you have patience and allow the scientists to do their stuff. Do not sell short, invest for the long term. Ted On 1/26/13 5:10 PM, Jodie Reynolds wrote: Hello Ted, Saturday, January 26, 2013, 3:27:34 PM, you wrote: There is the fever to coin new terminology for this apparent unique stone (NWA 7034), If it's not named, how are people supposed to sell dubious samples of it on eBay? :-p~ --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Jeff and all you Nomenclature Enthusiasts out there: I think the martian meteorite names do serve a useful purpose, they are a sort of short-hand, so that you don’t have to be an igneous petrologist to know that one type of martian is different from another. So when we say a martian meteorite is a “NWA7034-ite”, or “blackbeauty-ite”, or a “saharite” or whatever name you want to pick, we are implicitly talking about a breccia, that is water-rich, alkali basalt, with higher-than-SNC oxygen isotope values, ~ 2 byo, etc. For example, like it or not, when we say “Allan Hills” the first thing comes that comes to mind is ALH 84001. When you say orthopyroxenite maybe not so much. If it’s such a great idea to do away with martian types, why don’t we go ahead and do away with all the carbonaceous chondrite groups like CI, CM, CV, etc. and just call them all carbonaceous chondrites, that of course have a wide range of compositions, textures, mineralogies etc.? Meteoritics isn’t the only science that has colorful nomenclature. Mineralogists still like to name new minerals after famous mineralogists, instead of just naming them by their chemical composition or crystal structure. Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ -- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:27:06 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 51043c1a.9040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Meteorite group names are not invented by NomCom, and certainly not by NASA. The come from usage in the scientific literature. I think we have to remember why names like shergottite and nakhlite came into being. Scientists like to group similar things to help bring order to chaos. When you know next to nothing, you start by putting similar things together that you can study as a group. Once you learn more, relationships may be found among them. In this case, several groups plus a few oddballs seem to share a common origin: Mars. At this point, it doesn't really help anything to continue to generate trivial names for new groupings. The big advance has been made, and we can call them Martian meteorites. That means it is time to start treating all of these meteorites like we do geological specimens on Earth, using standard kinds of lithologic names. I know the old trivial names will die hard, and a term like shergottite will be with us for a long time. But there is no good reason to continue creating new trivial names. ALH 84001 need only be called a Martian pyroxenite (assuming this is the best rock name for it). If 10 more of these are found, they only need to be called Martian pyroxenites; there is no need to define a useless new term like allanhillsites. The same goes for NWA 7034, which we can call a Martian alkali-rich basalt, or whatever Carl says it is. Note that nomenclature for lunar meteorites was never burdened with trivial names, as there were no famous historical falls or finds. After 30 years, lunar anorthosite meteorites are still just called lunar anorthosites. Scientists don't need to put them in a trival category like calcalongites to distinguish them from the basaltic kalahariites... this would only obscure what we know about all of these, and nobody will ever do it. So let's forget about inventing terms like saharanite or morrocanite or allanhillsite or whatever. (And while we're at it, let's consider forgetting about shergottite, chassignite and nakhlite.) They're unnecessary and useless to science. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034
There are two reasons why we can't get rid of carbonaceous chondrite group names. First, unlike Martian meteorites, we don't know where C chondrites came from. We can't point to a single asteroid as the source for any of them, let alone all of them. So the group names are still serving their basic purpose of ordering the chaos. Second, the only language we have to describe the rocks known as chondrites is by their group names. They can't be described with standard rock nomenclature. So this is not a fair comparison. I didn't say Martian meteorite names were not useful. I said they were archaic, historical artifacts. Jeff On 1/26/2013 11:38 PM, Carl Agee wrote: Hi Jeff and all you Nomenclature Enthusiasts out there: I think the martian meteorite names do serve a useful purpose, they are a sort of short-hand, so that you don’t have to be an igneous petrologist to know that one type of martian is different from another. So when we say a martian meteorite is a “NWA7034-ite”, or “blackbeauty-ite”, or a “saharite” or whatever name you want to pick, we are implicitly talking about a breccia, that is water-rich, alkali basalt, with higher-than-SNC oxygen isotope values, ~ 2 byo, etc. For example, like it or not, when we say “Allan Hills” the first thing comes that comes to mind is ALH 84001. When you say orthopyroxenite maybe not so much. If it’s such a great idea to do away with martian types, why don’t we go ahead and do away with all the carbonaceous chondrite groups like CI, CM, CV, etc. and just call them all carbonaceous chondrites, that of course have a wide range of compositions, textures, mineralogies etc.? Meteoritics isn’t the only science that has colorful nomenclature. Mineralogists still like to name new minerals after famous mineralogists, instead of just naming them by their chemical composition or crystal structure. Carl Agee __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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