[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Jbilet Winselwan Contributed by: Jarkko Kettunen http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about Impact Glass from Crooked Creek
I have encountered this material during field work. I have a sample in a box here beside my desk, along with a thin section. My sample was dominantly iron, with less glass and less bubbles, but looks pretty clearly to be the same thing. I did some research on it a couple of years ago. The metal portion has no nickel content, and the silicate (glassy) portion is complex in composition, inconsistent with melting of the local carbonates, chert, or quartz arenite sandstones that are found in the brecciated or uplifted Crooked Creek rock units. I believe it to be slag from local mining of iron (about 100 years ago) within the crater and throughout the region. The mined iron is not associated with the meteorite impact. It was emplaced along faults in the region by mineralizing hydrothermal activity, tens of millions of years later, that occurred during the Ouachita Orogeny. They also mined for barite and several other things along faults in and around there. I found evidence for the timing and origin of mineralization associated with the mines recorded in some earlier work by a different author (I think it might have been Hendriks, 1954.) I included more details in a published abstract, though I don't recall how much. Sorry... it was disappointing for me as well. Best regards, Robert Beauford __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Crater May Actually Be Ancient Supervolcano
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NEWS RELEASE FROM THE PLANETARY SCIENCE INSTITUTE FROM: Alan Fischer Public Information Officer Planetary Science Institute 520-382-0411 520-622-6300 fisc...@psi.edu Mars Crater May Actually Be Ancient Supervolcano Oct. 2, 2013, Tucson, Ariz. -- A research project led by Joseph R. Michalski, Senior Scientist at the Planetary Science Institute, has identified what could be a supervolcano on Mars - the first discovery of its kind. In a paper published Oct. 3 in the journal Nature, Michalski and co-author Jacob E. Bleacher of NASA Goddard Space Flight Center describe a new type of volcanic construction on Mars that until now has gone unrecognized. The volcano in question, a vast circular basin on the face of the Red Planet, previously had been classified as an impact crater. Researchers now suggest the basin is actually the remains of an ancient supervolcano eruption. Their assessment is based on images and topographic data from NASA's Mars Odyssey, Mars Global Surveyor and Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft, as well as the European Space Agency's Mars Express orbiter. In the Nature paper Michalski and Bleacher lay out their case that the basin, recently named Eden Patera, is a volcanic caldera. Because a caldera is a depression, it can look like a crater formed by an impact, rather than a volcano. On Mars, young volcanoes have a very distinctive appearance that allows us to identify them, Michalski said. The long-standing question has been what ancient volcanoes on Mars look like. Perhaps they look like this one. The researchers also suggest a large body of magma loaded with dissolved gas (similar to the carbonation in soda) rose through thin crust to the surface quickly. Like a bottle of soda that has been shaken, this supervolcano would have blown its contents far and wide if the top came off suddenly. This highly explosive type of eruption is a game-changer, spewing many times more ash and other material than typical, younger Martian volcanoes, Bleacher said. During these types of eruptions on Earth, the debris may spread so far through the atmosphere and remain so long that it alters the global temperature for years. After the material is expelled from the eruption, the depression that is left can collapse even further, causing the ground around it to sink. Eruptions like these happened in ages past at what is now Yellowstone National Park in the western United States, Lake Toba in Indonesia and Lake Taupo in New Zealand. Volcanoes previously had not been identified in the Arabia Terra region of Mars, where Eden Patera is located. The battered, heavily eroded terrain is known for its impact craters. But as Michalski examined this particular basin more closely, he noticed it lacked the typical raised rim of an impact crater. He also could not find a nearby blanket of ejecta, the melted rock that splashes outside the crater when an object hits. The absence of such key features caused Michalski to suspect volcanic activity. He contacted Bleacher, a volcano specialist, who identified features at Eden Patera that usually indicate volcanism, such as a series of rock ledges that looked like the bathtub rings left after a lava lake slowly drains. In addition, the outside of the basin is ringed by the kinds of faults and valleys that occur when the ground collapses because of activity below the surface. The existence of these and other volcanic features in one place convinced the scientists Eden Patera should be reclassified. The team found a few more basins that are candidate volcanoes nearby, suggesting conditions in Arabia Terra might have been favorable for supervolcanoes. It is also possible massive eruptions here could have been responsible for volcanic deposits elsewhere on Mars that have never been linked to a known volcano. If just a handful of volcanoes like these were once active, they could have had a major impact on the evolution of Mars, Bleacher said. Visit http://www.psi.edu/news/marssupervolcano.html for images of Eden Patera basin on Mars. Project funding was provided by the NASA Mars Data Analysis program. CONTACT: Joseph R. Michalski Senior Scientist +44 74 3261 9949 michal...@psi.edu PSI INFORMATION: Mark V. Sykes Director 520-622-6300 sy...@psi.edu __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] First MRO HiRISE Images of Comet ISON
http://www.uahirise.org/releases/ison.php First HiRISE Images of Comet ISON Written by: Alan Delamere and Alfred McEwen University of Arizona [Images] Comet ISON Captured by HiRISE Image credit: NASA/JPL/University of Arizona On 29 September 2013, the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) maneuvered to point its High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera at ISON, a new comet passing by Mars on its way into the inner Solar System. HiRISE saw a small spot at the position of ISON that is relatively bright, like a star, but moving relative to actual stars. The comet's coma is apparently very faint, so these data provide useful constraints on the size of the comet nucleus and its overall brightness, key measurements to understand its behavior and useful knowledge to subsequent observers. These images show a 256 x 256 pixel patch of sky at the range to the comet of 8 million miles and when the solar phase angle is 47 degrees. Three more observations of ISON are planned for 1 and 2 October as the comet moves through closest approach to Mars at 7 million miles, but with less illumination as seen from Mars. Based on preliminary analysis of the data, the comet appears to be at the low end of the range of brightness predictions for the observation. As a result, the image isn't visually pleasing but low coma activity is best for constraining the size of the nucleus. This image has a scale of approximately 8 miles (13.3 km) per pixel, larger than the comet, but the size of the nucleus can be estimated based on the typical brightness of other comet nuclei. The comet, like Mars, is currently 241 million kilometers from the Sun. As the comet gets closer to the sun, its brightness will increase to Earth-based observers and the comet may also become intrinsically brighter as the stronger sunlight volatilizes the comet's ices. Comet ISON (officially known as C/2012 S1) is believed to be in its first pass through the inner solar system from the distant Oort Cloud, a roughly spherical collection of comets and comet-like structures that exists in a space between one-tenth light-year and 1 light-year from the sun. The comet will pass within 724,000 miles (1.16 million kilometers) of the Sun on 28 November 2013. It was discovered on 21 September 2012, roughly between Jupiter and Saturn, by Vitali Nevski and Artyom Novichonok at the International Scientific Optical Network (ISON) near Kislovodsk, Russia. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ideas Wanted for NASA's 2020 Mars Rover, But Government Shutdown Adds Challenge
http://www.space.com/23037-nasa-mars-rover-2020-government-shutdown.html Ideas Wanted for NASA's 2020 Mars Rover, But Government Shutdown Adds Challenge by Miriam Kramer space.com October 2, 2013 NASA needs ideas for its next Mars rover, but the government shutdown might delay their arrival. The space agency has put out an open call, asking scientists to submit proposals for the science and technology instruments that will fly aboard NASA's next Mars rover expected to launch in 2020. If the government shutdown continues, however, the competition - called the Mars 2020 Mission Investigations Announcement of Opportunity (AO) - might not go forward as planned. The Mars 2020 AO may be affected in a number of ways, if the Government is shut down for some duration, NASA officials wrote. The preproposal conference, scheduled for 10/8, may be rescheduled and the due date for NOIs [Notices of Intent] (currently 10/15) could be delayed, if the government is still shut down closer to those dates. The newly announced proposal competition asks researchers to submit a mission plan detailing the hardware, mission operations, data analysis and other information about what they would use a rover to investigate on Mars. The total cost available for the investigations is about $130 million. NASA's Mars 2020 rover is expected to look somewhat like the space agency's Curiosity rover currently roaming the surface of the Red Planet, but its job will be different. The 2020 rover is slated to search for signs of past life on Mars and collect samples for an eventual return to Earth, NASA officials have said. Curiosity's initial mission was focused on determining if life on Mars was ever possible. The rover settled that question in March when NASA announced that Curiosity's data shows that Mars could have supported primitive life in the past. The Mars 2020 mission will provide a unique capability to address the major questions of habitability and life in the solar system, Jim Green, director of NASA's Planetary Science Division in Washington D.C. said in statement. The science conducted by the rover's instruments also would expand our knowledge of Mars and provide the context needed to make wise decisions about whether to return any collected samples to Earth. The 2020 rover might also help scientists pave the way for a possible manned mission to the Red Planet sometime in the future. The Mars 2020 rover will test technologies that are key to one-day landing human explorers on the Red Planet, Jason Crusan, director of NASA's Advanced Exploration Systems Division, said in a statement. New technologies could allow astronauts to live off the land as they explore the ancient valleys of Mars. The capability to manufacture breathable air, rocket fuel, water and more may forever change how we explore space. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - NWA7813 H3.7 and NWA7814 L3.5
New material available NWA 7813 H3.7 NWA 7814 L3.5 Some very nice specimens http://www.polandmet.com/_nwa7813.htm http://www.polandmet.com/_nwa7814.htm -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ideas Wanted for NASA's 2020 Mars Rover, But Government Shutdown Adds Challenge
This will quite simply end the science haters, give the Tea Party Members a free ride to Mars on the 2020 Rover! http://www.space.com/23037-nasa-mars-rover-2020-government-shutdown.html Ideas Wanted for NASA's 2020 Mars Rover, But Government Shutdown Adds Challenge by Miriam Kramer space.com October 2, 2013 NASA needs ideas for its next Mars rover, but the government shutdown might delay their arrival. The space agency has put out an open call, asking scientists to submit proposals for the science and technology instruments that will fly aboard NASA's next Mars rover expected to launch in 2020. If the government shutdown continues, however, the competition - called the Mars 2020 Mission Investigations Announcement of Opportunity (AO) - might not go forward as planned. The Mars 2020 AO may be affected in a number of ways, if the Government is shut down for some duration, NASA officials wrote. The preproposal conference, scheduled for 10/8, may be rescheduled and the due date for NOIs [Notices of Intent] (currently 10/15) could be delayed, if the government is still shut down closer to those dates. The newly announced proposal competition asks researchers to submit a mission plan detailing the hardware, mission operations, data analysis and other information about what they would use a rover to investigate on Mars. The total cost available for the investigations is about $130 million. NASA's Mars 2020 rover is expected to look somewhat like the space agency's Curiosity rover currently roaming the surface of the Red Planet, but its job will be different. The 2020 rover is slated to search for signs of past life on Mars and collect samples for an eventual return to Earth, NASA officials have said. Curiosity's initial mission was focused on determining if life on Mars was ever possible. The rover settled that question in March when NASA announced that Curiosity's data shows that Mars could have supported primitive life in the past. The Mars 2020 mission will provide a unique capability to address the major questions of habitability and life in the solar system, Jim Green, director of NASA's Planetary Science Division in Washington D.C. said in statement. The science conducted by the rover's instruments also would expand our knowledge of Mars and provide the context needed to make wise decisions about whether to return any collected samples to Earth. The 2020 rover might also help scientists pave the way for a possible manned mission to the Red Planet sometime in the future. The Mars 2020 rover will test technologies that are key to one-day landing human explorers on the Red Planet, Jason Crusan, director of NASA's Advanced Exploration Systems Division, said in a statement. New technologies could allow astronauts to live off the land as they explore the ancient valleys of Mars. The capability to manufacture breathable air, rocket fuel, water and more may forever change how we explore space. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] LADEE Leaves Earth's Orbit
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2013/10021120-ladee-has-finally-left-earth.html LADEE has finally left Earth Emily Lakdawalla Planetary Society Blog October 2, 2013 When LADEE launched on September 6, it launched into Earth orbit. Today, it is finally on a path that will take it to its October 6 lunar orbit insertion. A direct-to-the-Moon trajectory would have been faster, but it would have required much more fuel and a larger launch vehicle. I've been wondering about the status of LADEE and Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter -- two missions not managed by JPL or APL -- in the face of the shutdown. I have finally been pointed to a great source of information on LADEE's status, thanks to a comment left on my blog entry by Mike Loucks yesterday: LADEE is being operated by essential personnel at NASA/Ames. TCM-1 was executed Tuesday afternoon as planned, as will be the Lunar Orbit Insertion Burns that start on Sunday. In a series of posts on their blog The Astrogator's Guild, spacecraft navigators Mike Loucks and John Carrico, Jr. have been explaining LADEE's circuitous path to the Moon. First, a quick reminder on some basic orbital mechanics. With a spacecraft in an elliptical orbit, it is sometimes very far from the planet and sometimes very close to it. The far point is the orbital apoapsis, and the close point is the periapsis. When a spacecraft is orbiting Earth, these points are usually referred to as apogee and perigee. Another thing about elliptical orbits: spacecraft are moving much faster when they are near periapsis than when near apoapsis. So a spacecraft on an elliptical orbit spends much more of its time far away from the planet, near apoapsis, than it spends close to the planet, near periapsis. Here is what LADEE's initial orbit looked like on the morning of September 11, 2013. The green path had already been traveled by the spacecraft (green circle); it had passed through apoapsis and was returning toward Earth. The dotted lines show the spacecraft's future path. [Graphic] LADEE's orbit on September 11, 2013 As explained further on their blog, LADEE performed two Perigee Maneuvers on September 13 and 21, firing its main engine to increase its speed as it passed through perigee. This has the effect of raising the height of the orbit's apogee. The second Perigee Maneuver gave LADEE the orbital height needed to reach the Moon, but the Moon wasn't there at the time that it arrived at its next apogee. LADEE returned on a last Earthward loop, reaching its final perigee yesterday at 11:00 UTC. It is now on the way to the Moon, which will be at the right spot in its orbit this time for LADEE to rendezvous with it. Navigators commanded one final trajectory correction maneuver to fine-tune the course toward lunar orbit insertion on October 6 at 10:57 UTC. According to a tweet from John, that maneuver looks good, so all is well for LADEE's lunar arrival. What's next? Here's the summary, from a September 27 blog entry. LOI-1 is designed to place the spacecraft into a 24 hr orbit, with a periselene altitude of 750 km. After 3 revolutions in this orbit, 3rd-body Earth gravitational perturbations will have lowered periselene to an altitude of 250 km (by design). At this point, LOI-2 will be performed on 9 Oct 2013 10:37 UTC ( to place LADEE into a 4 hr orbit (also with a 250 km periselene altitude). LADEE will spend 3 days in this orbit until LOI-3 (12 Oct 2013 10:37 UTC), which circularizes the orbit at 250 km. LADEE will spend 30 days in this commissioning orbit, and will also perform tests using the laser communications experiment (LLCD). The timing and magnitudes of the maneuvers leading to the commissioning orbit are given below. Executed Maneuvers: AM1 11 Sep 2013 23:00:00.000 9.34 m/sec PM1 13 Sep 2013 16:36:08.000 16.96 m/sec PM2 21 Sep 2013 11:53:19.000 17.492 m/sec Planned Maneuvers TCM1 01 Oct 2013 22:00:00.000 0.9 m/sec [now completed] LOI1 06 Oct 2013 10:57:00.210 329.86 m/sec LAM1 07 Oct 2013 22:51:32.205 0 m/sec (error corrections for LOI-1) LOI2 09 Oct 2013 10:37:55.651 295.99 m/sec LOI3 12 Oct 2013 10:37:34.993 238.56 m/sec [Graphic] LADEE's orbit on September 28, 2013 Go LADEE! And I hope that by the time you reach the Moon, this stupid shutdown will be over and scientists employed at NASA centers can get on with the science!! Regarding Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter: I don't have an awesome blog like the Astrogator's Guild to point you to for that one, but I have contacted several folks at Arizona State University, where they operate the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera (LROC), and I've been told that business is as usual for them. Just like the University of Arizona's HiRISE operations center, which released an awesome image of comet ISON captured from Mars today, LROC prepares and posts its own image releases without NASA
[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 2, 2013
MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES October 2, 2013 o Differential Compaction around a Crater Peak http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_033108_1800 Does the graben in this image show evidence of what geologists call differential compaction? o Aligned Scallops http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_033111_2300 This observation shows what we call scalloped terrain, that appears here to merge in a linear depression. o Colorful Dunes http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_033272_1400 When there are perfect conditions for producing sand dunes--steady wind in one direction and just enough sand--barchan sand dunes form. All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown
Come on MikeG, you know that is not true. Your odds of making money go way up with hard work, but hard work is no guarantee of becoming wealthy. An enjoyable book to read is LIFE THE ODDS (And How To Improve Them) by Gregory Baer. My life has been made more enjoyable by collecting and learning about meteorites. Someday, when I sell my collection, I may do well by it, IF I don't die first. No matter, it has been an enjoyable pastime, along with chess and mineral collecting and sports and women and my four children. Yes, meteorites and science are a wonderful slice of life. So is hard work, no matter the outcome. Fred Hall What ever happened to be rewarded for hard work? It's a myth that hasn't existed for at least 30-40 years. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 10/1/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: It is all political posturing for maximum effect. Our Commander With A Few Real Teeth is an expert at it as are most politicians, regardless of party, who forget that they are supposed to be working for the people. Perhaps we can all learn from this new style of governing. I will soon have to go completely to fixed pricing on eBay in order to pay for the 101% increase in my monthly health care insurance and all of the new taxes that are going into affect on January 1st. So much for affordable healthcare! Perhaps they should shut down 50% of the government permanently and use the funds to pay healthcare costs that politicians are exempt from. These new taxes hidden in a healthcare bill will have an effect on meteorites sales. What ever happened to be rewarded for hard work? Go figure, Adam From: Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Governmentshutdown Hundreds of billions in sunk-cost and they have less than 12 hours of burn on their bandwidth bill? My investors would lynch me, and no jury in the world would convict them... Of course, I have to have an approved budget every year or I'll get fired and the government will lock me up. Must be nice! --- Jodie Tuesday, October 1, 2013, 9:07:41 AM, you wrote: Hi, It looks like the NASA website has been taken down for the shutdown: http://www.nasa.gov Due to the lapse in federal government funding, this website is not available. We sincerely regret this inconvenience. The NEO website at JPL is not affected by this. Ron __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A Seasonal Ozone Layer Over The Martian South Pole (Mars Express)
http://sci.esa.int/mars-express/52881-a-seasonal-ozone-layer-over-the-martian-south-pole/ A seasonal ozone layer over the Martian south pole European Space Agency 29 September 2013 For the past decade, ESA's Mars Express orbiter has been observing atmospheric structure on the Red Planet. Among its discoveries is the presence of three separate ozone layers, each with its own characteristics. A new comparison of spacecraft data with computer models explains how global atmospheric circulation creates a layer of ozone above the planet's southern winter pole. Ozone (O_3 ) is a form of oxygen gas which contains three atoms, rather than two. On Earth, ozone is a pollutant at ground level, but at higher altitudes it provides an essential protective layer against harmful solar ultraviolet (UV) light. However, ozone molecules are easily destroyed by solar ultraviolet light and by chemical reactions with hydrogen radicals, which are released by photolysis (splitting) of water molecules. The role of pollution in its destruction has been a major focus of attention since the mid-1980s, when a hole in the ozone layer was discovered above Antarctica. Until the early 1970s, no one could be sure whether ozone existed on any of the other planets. Ozone was then detected on Mars and it has since been discovered on Venus by ESA's Venus Express mission. On Mars, the ozone concentration is typically 300 times thinner than on Earth, although it varies greatly with location and time. In recent years, the SPICAM UV spectrometer on board Mars Express has shown the presence of two distinct ozone layers at low-to-mid latitudes. These comprise a persistent, near-surface layer below an altitude of 30 km, and a separate layer, which is only present in northern spring and summer, and whose altitude varies from 30 to 60 km. In recent years, SPICAM has also provided evidence for the existence of a third ozone layer which exists 40-60 km above the southern winter pole, with no counterpart above the North Pole. In a paper published in the journal Nature Geoscience, Franck Montmessin and Franck Lefèvre, two scientists from LATMOS in Guyancourt, France, have analysed approximately 3000 occultation http://sci.esa.int/venus-express/49415 sequences and vertical ozone profiles collected by SPICAM on the night side of Mars. The data were collected during three and a half Martian years (2004 - 2011), with greater sampling over the southern hemisphere due to the spacecraft's elliptical orbit http://sci.esa.int/mars-express/46488 and the requirement to obtain the majority of occultations on the planet's night side. They were then compared with the LMD global climate model (GCM), developed in France, which computes the evolution of 16 gas species by means of a comprehensive description of the Martian photochemistry. When SPICAM observed regions poleward of 75 degrees South, which were experiencing continuous polar night, it detected a previously unknown layer of ozone located at heights of 35 - 70 km, with a peak concentration at 50 km. This third ozone layer shows an abrupt decrease in elevation between 75 and 50 degrees South. This layer was found to exist only above the winter pole. SPICAM detected a gradual increase in ozone concentration at 50 km until midwinter, after which it slowly decreased to very low concentrations, with no layer perceptible above 35 km. The authors of the paper in Nature Geoscience believe that the observed polar ozone layers are the result of the same atmospheric circulation pattern that creates a distinct oxygen emission http://sci.esa.int/mars-express/50198 recently identified in the polar night. This circulation takes the form of a huge Hadley cell in which warmer air rises and travels poleward before cooling and sinking at higher latitudes. (Earth's atmosphere has two Hadley cells between the equator and the subtropics.) This process consists of deep vertical downwelling of oxygen-rich air which has been transported from the summer hemisphere, explained Franck Montmessin, lead author of the paper. Oxygen atoms produced by CO_2 photolysis in the upper branch of the Hadley cell eventually recombine in the polar night to form molecular oxygen (O_2) and ozone. The concentration of ozone gas at night is dependent upon the supply of oxygen and the rate of destruction due to hydrogen radicals. This ozone-forming process has no counterpart on the Earth, so Mars provides an example of how diverse and complex chemical processes can be in the atmospheres of terrestrial planets and how they may potentially operate on exoplanets. Despite SPICAM's coarser coverage of the northern polar region in autumn and winter, the scientists searched its data for evidence of a comparable layer of ozone in between 60 and 65 degrees North - but without success. At these latitudes, no polar ozone layer can definitively be identified from the SPICAM data, said Montmessin. This implies that atmospheric chemistry and/or
Re: [meteorite-list] Government Shutdown Puts MAVEN Launch Preparations On Hold
Come on Michael, only the very wealthy need medical treatment. Cast the poor aside. Science is only good when it helps the extremely rich. Exploring Mars and understanding meteorites is a waste of money...vote GOP! Fred Hall A the genius of the GOP. Gonna cost the USA billions and billions all for a temper tantrum. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 1, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov wrote: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/atlas/av038/131001shutdown/ Government shutdown puts MAVEN launch preps on hold BY STEPHEN CLARK SPACEFLIGHT NOW October 1, 2013 Without funding to pay for numerous programs and research, engineers began shutting down work on a $671 million Mars science orbiter at the Kennedy Space Center on Tuesday, halting critical preparations ahead of the mission's narrow interplanetary launch window in November. The launch window, which opens Nov. 18 and extends to Dec. 7, is restricted by the locations of Earth and Mars. Launch opportunities to the red planet only come once every 26 months. The Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution, or MAVEN, spacecraft was on schedule to launch from Florida on Nov. 18 aboard a United Launch Alliance Atlas 5 rocket. The launch will put MAVEN on a 10-month journey to Mars, with arrival in orbit at the red planet set for Sept. 22, 2014. But the launch date could be in jeopardy if the federal government's partial shutdown lasts more than a week. The shutdown began at midnight EDT Tuesday, at the beginning of a new fiscal year, because Congress failed to agree on a federal budget. NASA will continue operating missions in flight, such as the International Space Station, the Hubble Space Telescope and the Curiosity rover now on Mars, but the space agency, acting on orders from the Office of Management and Budget, halted development and testing of spacecraft still on Earth awaiting launch. MAVEN has not been classed as exempt from the shutdown, so our plan is to carry out an orderly shutdown, said Bruce Jakosky, MAVEN's principal investigator from the University of Colorado at Boulder's Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics. NASA and Lockheed Martin Corp., MAVEN's prime contractor, were preparing the spacecraft inside a clean room at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida. MAVEN carries a suite of instruments to study how gases escape from the upper atmosphere of Mars, which could tell scientists how the red planet evolved from a world hospitable for life to the barren planet of today. In an orderly shut down, the key thing is to ensure that all the hardware is in a safe and known state so that we can pick it up again when we resume, and that it is protected against environmental problems, Jakosky said. Uneasy with MAVEN's launch schedule following the government shutdown, officials said they are evaluating whether this fall's launch window could be extended a few days into mid-December to buy more time. If MAVEN missed this year's launch window, the next chance to launch the probe toward Mars would be in early 2016. Engineers made good progress on MAVEN since the orbiter arrived at KSC from its factory in Denver on Aug. 2, said Guy Beutelschies, Lockheed Martin's MAVEN program manager, in an interview Friday. Beutelschies said the MAVEN team was working with nine days of schedule margin to meet the Nov. 18 launch date. Technicians ensured all of MAVEN's systems still functioned after the cross-country flight from Denver, installed the satellite's flight batteries, put the spacecraft through mission simulations, tested its communications with NASA's network of tracking antennas, and unfurled its solar panels to check their deployment mechanisms, according to Beutelschies. The next steps were to finish up testing of MAVEN's propulsion system and put the cubical spacecraft on a spin table to check its mass properties. MAVEN's load of toxic hydrazine propellant was scheduled to be pumped into the orbiter's propellant tank in late October, and Lockheed Martin was planning to hand over the spacecraft to United Launch Alliance on Nov. 1 for attachment to the Atlas 5 rocket's payload adapter and encapsulation inside the launcher's four-meter-diameter payload fairing. The team, absolutely across the board, institutions and individuals alike, is totally committed to doing whatever it takes to launch on time, Jakosky said Monday. We're prepared to schedule double shifts and work seven days if necessary, ensuring, of course, that we do things safely and technically correctly. We'll have to wait and see what the feds do over the next one to several days. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown
My 10-minute rant since all of this government shutdown business is being postured about! As it stands now, well over half my income is paid in taxes meaning that for every dollar in profit I make on a meteorite, over 50 cents goes to taxes of one sort or another. I find this outrageous! I think it should be a flat 28% across the board with a one page return so that the 90,000 furloughed IRS agents can find something better to do than manage all of these new taxes hidden in a Healthcare Law that nobody voted on. Citizens in their right mind would have never voted for this massive tax increase in the middle of a great depression. Yes it is a depression, the food lines don't exist because half the population is quietly on food stamps or some other entitlement (handout) hiding the real issues and enslaving them to the government. Yes, under the current political leadership (if you can call it that), hard work will get you nothing after all of the new taxes that were forced on us are paid. I see in the future a single wide trailer and poor health care for those who completely depend on the government handouts or Social Security to take care of them when they retire. I looked at the insurance exchange and was appalled that no brand name insurance companies were listed on it. It seems the good companies don't want to offer private insurance anymore. 401K's, not the government, might pull you slightly ahead for retirement if all of the businesses haven't moved to China by the time you are ready to retire. Everybody I know is getting needed surgeries out of the way now, including myself, before this health care train-wreck hits. Casinos and big businesses here have already shifted most of their employees to part-time. Over half the people I know have lost their houses, down-sized their lifestyles and are in near poverty. What does all of this have to do with meteorites? Dealers have to pay these taxes and are getting squeezed from all sides. I have worked for myself since 1989 and this is the most hostile business environment imaginable. So much for the fake Green Energy program proposed by the current administration. This was one of the high points but turned out to be just more political posturing like everything else these days. I think all polititians should be required to take business courses, even Business 101 would be helpful! Most of them have fake degrees (purchased online) to begin with so I don't see them enrolling in any post graduate courses anytime soon. Adam . - Original Message - From: h...@meteorhall.com h...@meteorhall.com To: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown Come on MikeG, you know that is not true. Your odds of making money go way up with hard work, but hard work is no guarantee of becoming wealthy. An enjoyable book to read is LIFE THE ODDS (And How To Improve Them) by Gregory Baer. My life has been made more enjoyable by collecting and learning about meteorites. Someday, when I sell my collection, I may do well by it, IF I don't die first. No matter, it has been an enjoyable pastime, along with chess and mineral collecting and sports and women and my four children. Yes, meteorites and science are a wonderful slice of life. So is hard work, no matter the outcome. Fred Hall What ever happened to be rewarded for hard work? It's a myth that hasn't existed for at least 30-40 years. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 10/1/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: It is all political posturing for maximum effect. Our Commander With A Few Real Teeth is an expert at it as are most politicians, regardless of party, who forget that they are supposed to be working for the people. Perhaps we can all learn from this new style of governing. I will soon have to go completely to fixed pricing on eBay in order to pay for the 101% increase in my monthly health care insurance and all of the new taxes that are going into affect on January 1st. So much for affordable healthcare! Perhaps they should shut down 50% of the government permanently and use the funds to pay healthcare costs that politicians are exempt from. These new taxes hidden in a healthcare bill will have an effect on meteorites sales. What ever happened to be rewarded for hard work? Go figure, Adam From: Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org To: Meteorite Mailing
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown
We did vote on it, it was called the 2012 presidential election. The entire election was ran on Obamacare. Romney promised to kill it on day one. Romney lost decisively. We voted. The losers just haven't accepted the fact that they lost. The current shutdown is the result of a losing party throwing a temper tantrum. It won't end well for them. Let's just talk meteorites here, though the shutdown does affect meteorites in many ways. Facebook is the better place for politics. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: My 10-minute rant since all of this government shutdown business is being postured about! As it stands now, well over half my income is paid in taxes meaning that for every dollar in profit I make on a meteorite, over 50 cents goes to taxes of one sort or another. I find this outrageous! I think it should be a flat 28% across the board with a one page return so that the 90,000 furloughed IRS agents can find something better to do than manage all of these new taxes hidden in a Healthcare Law that nobody voted on. Citizens in their right mind would have never voted for this massive tax increase in the middle of a great depression. Yes it is a depression, the food lines don't exist because half the population is quietly on food stamps or some other entitlement (handout) hiding the real issues and enslaving them to the government. Yes, under the current political leadership (if you can call it that), hard work will get you nothing after all of the new taxes that were forced on us are paid. I see in the future a single wide trailer and poor health care for those who completely depend on the government handouts or Social Security to take care of them when they retire. I looked at the insurance exchange and was appalled that no brand name insurance companies were listed on it. It seems the good companies don't want to offer private insurance anymore. 401K's, not the government, might pull you slightly ahead for retirement if all of the businesses haven't moved to China by the time you are ready to retire. Everybody I know is getting needed surgeries out of the way now, including myself, before this health care train-wreck hits. Casinos and big businesses here have already shifted most of their employees to part-time. Over half the people I know have lost their houses, down-sized their lifestyles and are in near poverty. What does all of this have to do with meteorites? Dealers have to pay these taxes and are getting squeezed from all sides. I have worked for myself since 1989 and this is the most hostile business environment imaginable. So much for the fake Green Energy program proposed by the current administration. This was one of the high points but turned out to be just more political posturing like everything else these days. I think all polititians should be required to take business courses, even Business 101 would be helpful! Most of them have fake degrees (purchased online) to begin with so I don't see them enrolling in any post graduate courses anytime soon. Adam . - Original Message - From: h...@meteorhall.com h...@meteorhall.com To: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown Come on MikeG, you know that is not true. Your odds of making money go way up with hard work, but hard work is no guarantee of becoming wealthy. An enjoyable book to read is LIFE THE ODDS (And How To Improve Them) by Gregory Baer. My life has been made more enjoyable by collecting and learning about meteorites. Someday, when I sell my collection, I may do well by it, IF I don't die first. No matter, it has been an enjoyable pastime, along with chess and mineral collecting and sports and women and my four children. Yes, meteorites and science are a wonderful slice of life. So is hard work, no matter the outcome. Fred Hall What ever happened to be rewarded for hard work? It's a myth that hasn't existed for at least 30-40 years. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 10/1/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: It is all political posturing for maximum effect. Our Commander With A Few Real Teeth is an expert at it as are most politicians, regardless of party, who forget that they are supposed to be working for the people. Perhaps we can all learn from this new style
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown
No U.S. citizen voted directly on this horrible package (massive tax increase)! They were lied to thinking it was Affordable for some reason. The good companies are dropping policies like flies. A $10,000.00 deductible on $920.00/month health insurance that local doctors don't even recognize. Give me a break! How is this helping? As it stands now, every U.S. Citizen is forced to buy, in most cases, substandard insurance! If you are not a U.S. Citizen, then there is no need to purchase any insurance even while living in the U.S. Talk to my wife who's car was hit by a non-U.S. citizen with no insurance and ask how she feels. We had to pay for the repairs ourselves. How is this fair? It is a poorly thought out nightmare, a train-wreck in the making for sure. I think the price of meteorites will just have to go up. Stupid is as Stupid Does for sure, Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown We did vote on it, it was called the 2012 presidential election. The entire election was ran on Obamacare. Romney promised to kill it on day one. Romney lost decisively. We voted. The losers just haven't accepted the fact that they lost. The current shutdown is the result of a losing party throwing a temper tantrum. It won't end well for them. Let's just talk meteorites here, though the shutdown does affect meteorites in many ways. Facebook is the better place for politics. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: My 10-minute rant since all of this government shutdown business is being postured about! As it stands now, well over half my income is paid in taxes meaning that for every dollar in profit I make on a meteorite, over 50 cents goes to taxes of one sort or another. I find this outrageous! I think it should be a flat 28% across the board with a one page return so that the 90,000 furloughed IRS agents can find something better to do than manage all of these new taxes hidden in a Healthcare Law that nobody voted on. Citizens in their right mind would have never voted for this massive tax increase in the middle of a great depression. Yes it is a depression, the food lines don't exist because half the population is quietly on food stamps or some other entitlement (handout) hiding the real issues and enslaving them to the government. Yes, under the current political leadership (if you can call it that), hard work will get you nothing after all of the new taxes that were forced on us are paid. I see in the future a single wide trailer and poor health care for those who completely depend on the government handouts or Social Security to take care of them when they retire. I looked at the insurance exchange and was appalled that no brand name insurance companies were listed on it. It seems the good companies don't want to offer private insurance anymore. 401K's, not the government, might pull you slightly ahead for retirement if all of the businesses haven't moved to China by the time you are ready to retire. Everybody I know is getting needed surgeries out of the way now, including myself, before this health care train-wreck hits. Casinos and big businesses here have already shifted most of their employees to part-time. Over half the people I know have lost their houses, down-sized their lifestyles and are in near poverty. What does all of this have to do with meteorites? Dealers have to pay these taxes and are getting squeezed from all sides. I have worked for myself since 1989 and this is the most hostile business environment imaginable. So much for the fake Green Energy program proposed by the current administration. This was one of the high points but turned out to be just more political posturing like everything else these days. I think all polititians should be required to take business courses, even Business 101 would be helpful! Most of them have fake degrees (purchased online) to begin with so I don't see them enrolling in any post graduate courses anytime soon. Adam . - Original Message - From: h...@meteorhall.com h...@meteorhall.com To: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown Come on MikeG, you know that is not true. Your odds of making money go way up with hard work, but hard work is no guarantee of becoming wealthy. An enjoyable book to read is LIFE THE ODDS (And How To Improve Them) by Gregory Baer. My life has
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown
A foreigner hitting your car has nothing to do with Obama. Pretty sure it happens worldwide. $10,000 deductible on $900 month insurance, that is some crappy insurance. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: No U.S. citizen voted directly on this horrible package (massive tax increase)! They were lied to thinking it was Affordable for some reason. The good companies are dropping policies like flies. A $10,000.00 deductible on $920.00/month health insurance that local doctors don't even recognize. Give me a break! How is this helping? As it stands now, every U.S. Citizen is forced to buy, in most cases, substandard insurance! If you are not a U.S. Citizen, then there is no need to purchase any insurance even while living in the U.S. Talk to my wife who's car was hit by a non-U.S. citizen with no insurance and ask how she feels. We had to pay for the repairs ourselves. How is this fair? It is a poorly thought out nightmare, a train-wreck in the making for sure. I think the price of meteorites will just have to go up. Stupid is as Stupid Does for sure, Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown We did vote on it, it was called the 2012 presidential election. The entire election was ran on Obamacare. Romney promised to kill it on day one. Romney lost decisively. We voted. The losers just haven't accepted the fact that they lost. The current shutdown is the result of a losing party throwing a temper tantrum. It won't end well for them. Let's just talk meteorites here, though the shutdown does affect meteorites in many ways. Facebook is the better place for politics. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: My 10-minute rant since all of this government shutdown business is being postured about! As it stands now, well over half my income is paid in taxes meaning that for every dollar in profit I make on a meteorite, over 50 cents goes to taxes of one sort or another. I find this outrageous! I think it should be a flat 28% across the board with a one page return so that the 90,000 furloughed IRS agents can find something better to do than manage all of these new taxes hidden in a Healthcare Law that nobody voted on. Citizens in their right mind would have never voted for this massive tax increase in the middle of a great depression. Yes it is a depression, the food lines don't exist because half the population is quietly on food stamps or some other entitlement (handout) hiding the real issues and enslaving them to the government. Yes, under the current political leadership (if you can call it that), hard work will get you nothing after all of the new taxes that were forced on us are paid. I see in the future a single wide trailer and poor health care for those who completely depend on the government handouts or Social Security to take care of them when they retire. I looked at the insurance exchange and was appalled that no brand name insurance companies were listed on it. It seems the good companies don't want to offer private insurance anymore. 401K's, not the government, might pull you slightly ahead for retirement if all of the businesses haven't moved to China by the time you are ready to retire. Everybody I know is getting needed surgeries out of the way now, including myself, before this health care train-wreck hits. Casinos and big businesses here have already shifted most of their employees to part-time. Over half the people I know have lost their houses, down-sized their lifestyles and are in near poverty. What does all of this have to do with meteorites? Dealers have to pay these taxes and are getting squeezed from all sides. I have worked for myself since 1989 and this is the most hostile business environment imaginable. So much for the fake Green Energy program proposed by the current administration. This was one of the high points but turned out to be just more political posturing like everything else these days. I think all polititians should be required to take business courses, even Business 101 would be helpful! Most of them have fake degrees (purchased online) to begin with so I don't see them enrolling in any post graduate courses anytime soon. Adam . - Original Message - From: h...@meteorhall.com h...@meteorhall.com To: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 4:16 PM Subject:
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown
Yep, this is the kind of insurance offered on the Affordable Healthcare Act exchanges. Crap for sure! Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown A foreigner hitting your car has nothing to do with Obama. Pretty sure it happens worldwide. $10,000 deductible on $900 month insurance, that is some crappy insurance. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: No U.S. citizen voted directly on this horrible package (massive tax increase)! They were lied to thinking it was Affordable for some reason. The good companies are dropping policies like flies. A $10,000.00 deductible on $920.00/month health insurance that local doctors don't even recognize. Give me a break! How is this helping? As it stands now, every U.S. Citizen is forced to buy, in most cases, substandard insurance! If you are not a U.S. Citizen, then there is no need to purchase any insurance even while living in the U.S. Talk to my wife who's car was hit by a non-U.S. citizen with no insurance and ask how she feels. We had to pay for the repairs ourselves. How is this fair? It is a poorly thought out nightmare, a train-wreck in the making for sure. I think the price of meteorites will just have to go up. Stupid is as Stupid Does for sure, Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown We did vote on it, it was called the 2012 presidential election. The entire election was ran on Obamacare. Romney promised to kill it on day one. Romney lost decisively. We voted. The losers just haven't accepted the fact that they lost. The current shutdown is the result of a losing party throwing a temper tantrum. It won't end well for them. Let's just talk meteorites here, though the shutdown does affect meteorites in many ways. Facebook is the better place for politics. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: My 10-minute rant since all of this government shutdown business is being postured about! As it stands now, well over half my income is paid in taxes meaning that for every dollar in profit I make on a meteorite, over 50 cents goes to taxes of one sort or another. I find this outrageous! I think it should be a flat 28% across the board with a one page return so that the 90,000 furloughed IRS agents can find something better to do than manage all of these new taxes hidden in a Healthcare Law that nobody voted on. Citizens in their right mind would have never voted for this massive tax increase in the middle of a great depression. Yes it is a depression, the food lines don't exist because half the population is quietly on food stamps or some other entitlement (handout) hiding the real issues and enslaving them to the government. Yes, under the current political leadership (if you can call it that), hard work will get you nothing after all of the new taxes that were forced on us are paid. I see in the future a single wide trailer and poor health care for those who completely depend on the government handouts or Social Security to take care of them when they retire. I looked at the insurance exchange and was appalled that no brand name insurance companies were listed on it. It seems the good companies don't want to offer private insurance anymore. 401K's, not the government, might pull you slightly ahead for retirement if all of the businesses haven't moved to China by the time you are ready to retire. Everybody I know is getting needed surgeries out of the way now, including myself, before this health care train-wreck hits. Casinos and big businesses here have already shifted most of their employees to part-time. Over half the people I know have lost their houses, down-sized their lifestyles and are in near poverty. What does all of this have to do with meteorites? Dealers have to pay these taxes and are getting squeezed from all sides. I have worked for myself since 1989 and this is the most hostile business environment imaginable. So much for the fake Green Energy program proposed by the current administration. This was one of the high points but turned out to be just more political posturing like everything else these days. I think all polititians should be required to take business courses, even Business 101 would be helpful! Most of them have fake degrees (purchased
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown
Where, for who? Not on the Arizona exchanges, oh wait, are you a smoker? Well, that could be your problem. Insurance doesn't like smokers. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Yep, this is the kind of insurance offered on the Affordable Healthcare Act exchanges. Crap for sure! Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown A foreigner hitting your car has nothing to do with Obama. Pretty sure it happens worldwide. $10,000 deductible on $900 month insurance, that is some crappy insurance. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: No U.S. citizen voted directly on this horrible package (massive tax increase)! They were lied to thinking it was Affordable for some reason. The good companies are dropping policies like flies. A $10,000.00 deductible on $920.00/month health insurance that local doctors don't even recognize. Give me a break! How is this helping? As it stands now, every U.S. Citizen is forced to buy, in most cases, substandard insurance! If you are not a U.S. Citizen, then there is no need to purchase any insurance even while living in the U.S. Talk to my wife who's car was hit by a non-U.S. citizen with no insurance and ask how she feels. We had to pay for the repairs ourselves. How is this fair? It is a poorly thought out nightmare, a train-wreck in the making for sure. I think the price of meteorites will just have to go up. Stupid is as Stupid Does for sure, Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown We did vote on it, it was called the 2012 presidential election. The entire election was ran on Obamacare. Romney promised to kill it on day one. Romney lost decisively. We voted. The losers just haven't accepted the fact that they lost. The current shutdown is the result of a losing party throwing a temper tantrum. It won't end well for them. Let's just talk meteorites here, though the shutdown does affect meteorites in many ways. Facebook is the better place for politics. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: My 10-minute rant since all of this government shutdown business is being postured about! As it stands now, well over half my income is paid in taxes meaning that for every dollar in profit I make on a meteorite, over 50 cents goes to taxes of one sort or another. I find this outrageous! I think it should be a flat 28% across the board with a one page return so that the 90,000 furloughed IRS agents can find something better to do than manage all of these new taxes hidden in a Healthcare Law that nobody voted on. Citizens in their right mind would have never voted for this massive tax increase in the middle of a great depression. Yes it is a depression, the food lines don't exist because half the population is quietly on food stamps or some other entitlement (handout) hiding the real issues and enslaving them to the government. Yes, under the current political leadership (if you can call it that), hard work will get you nothing after all of the new taxes that were forced on us are paid. I see in the future a single wide trailer and poor health care for those who completely depend on the government handouts or Social Security to take care of them when they retire. I looked at the insurance exchange and was appalled that no brand name insurance companies were listed on it. It seems the good companies don't want to offer private insurance anymore. 401K's, not the government, might pull you slightly ahead for retirement if all of the businesses haven't moved to China by the time you are ready to retire. Everybody I know is getting needed surgeries out of the way now, including myself, before this health care train-wreck hits. Casinos and big businesses here have already shifted most of their employees to part-time. Over half the people I know have lost their houses, down-sized their lifestyles and are in near poverty. What does all of this have to do with meteorites? Dealers have to pay these taxes and are getting squeezed from all sides. I have worked for myself since 1989 and this is the most hostile business environment imaginable. So much for the fake Green Energy program proposed by the current administration.
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The insurance is for my wife who is very healthy and is a non-smoker. If you are over 50 and a woman, try finding affordable healthcare now that you will be grouped with people who have preexisting conditions. By the way, Obama is a smoker and is exempt from his own monstrosity, Adam . - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown Where, for who? Not on the Arizona exchanges, oh wait, are you a smoker? Well, that could be your problem. Insurance doesn't like smokers. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Yep, this is the kind of insurance offered on the Affordable Healthcare Act exchanges. Crap for sure! Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown A foreigner hitting your car has nothing to do with Obama. Pretty sure it happens worldwide. $10,000 deductible on $900 month insurance, that is some crappy insurance. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: No U.S. citizen voted directly on this horrible package (massive tax increase)! They were lied to thinking it was Affordable for some reason. The good companies are dropping policies like flies. A $10,000.00 deductible on $920.00/month health insurance that local doctors don't even recognize. Give me a break! How is this helping? As it stands now, every U.S. Citizen is forced to buy, in most cases, substandard insurance! If you are not a U.S. Citizen, then there is no need to purchase any insurance even while living in the U.S. Talk to my wife who's car was hit by a non-U.S. citizen with no insurance and ask how she feels. We had to pay for the repairs ourselves. How is this fair? It is a poorly thought out nightmare, a train-wreck in the making for sure. I think the price of meteorites will just have to go up. Stupid is as Stupid Does for sure, Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown We did vote on it, it was called the 2012 presidential election. The entire election was ran on Obamacare. Romney promised to kill it on day one. Romney lost decisively. We voted. The losers just haven't accepted the fact that they lost. The current shutdown is the result of a losing party throwing a temper tantrum. It won't end well for them. Let's just talk meteorites here, though the shutdown does affect meteorites in many ways. Facebook is the better place for politics. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: My 10-minute rant since all of this government shutdown business is being postured about! As it stands now, well over half my income is paid in taxes meaning that for every dollar in profit I make on a meteorite, over 50 cents goes to taxes of one sort or another. I find this outrageous! I think it should be a flat 28% across the board with a one page return so that the 90,000 furloughed IRS agents can find something better to do than manage all of these new taxes hidden in a Healthcare Law that nobody voted on. Citizens in their right mind would have never voted for this massive tax increase in the middle of a great depression. Yes it is a depression, the food lines don't exist because half the population is quietly on food stamps or some other entitlement (handout) hiding the real issues and enslaving them to the government. Yes, under the current political leadership (if you can call it that), hard work will get you nothing after all of the new taxes that were forced on us are paid. I see in the future a single wide trailer and poor health care for those who completely depend on the government handouts or Social Security to take care of them when they retire. I looked at the insurance exchange and was appalled that no brand name insurance companies were listed on it. It seems the good companies don't want to offer private insurance anymore. 401K's, not the government, might pull you slightly ahead for retirement if all of the businesses haven't moved to China by the time you are ready to retire. Everybody I know is getting needed surgeries out of the way now, including
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So Blue Cross and Blue Shields is not crappy insurance, and my friend just got a notice his premium is going from $270.00/mth to 740.00/mth on Jan 1. How is that helping?? I guess the non-GOP like taking it in the rear!! * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society CNPA #3622 NWS Cert. Adv. Storm Spotter IMCA #9052 Sirius Meteorites Node35 - Sentinel All Sky http://spacerocks.weebly.com * -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 9:08 PM To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Governmentshutdown A foreigner hitting your car has nothing to do with Obama. Pretty sure it happens worldwide. $10,000 deductible on $900 month insurance, that is some crappy insurance. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: No U.S. citizen voted directly on this horrible package (massive tax increase)! They were lied to thinking it was Affordable for some reason. The good companies are dropping policies like flies. A $10,000.00 deductible on $920.00/month health insurance that local doctors don't even recognize. Give me a break! How is this helping? As it stands now, every U.S. Citizen is forced to buy, in most cases, substandard insurance! If you are not a U.S. Citizen, then there is no need to purchase any insurance even while living in the U.S. Talk to my wife who's car was hit by a non-U.S. citizen with no insurance and ask how she feels. We had to pay for the repairs ourselves. How is this fair? It is a poorly thought out nightmare, a train-wreck in the making for sure. I think the price of meteorites will just have to go up. Stupid is as Stupid Does for sure, Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown We did vote on it, it was called the 2012 presidential election. The entire election was ran on Obamacare. Romney promised to kill it on day one. Romney lost decisively. We voted. The losers just haven't accepted the fact that they lost. The current shutdown is the result of a losing party throwing a temper tantrum. It won't end well for them. Let's just talk meteorites here, though the shutdown does affect meteorites in many ways. Facebook is the better place for politics. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: My 10-minute rant since all of this government shutdown business is being postured about! As it stands now, well over half my income is paid in taxes meaning that for every dollar in profit I make on a meteorite, over 50 cents goes to taxes of one sort or another. I find this outrageous! I think it should be a flat 28% across the board with a one page return so that the 90,000 furloughed IRS agents can find something better to do than manage all of these new taxes hidden in a Healthcare Law that nobody voted on. Citizens in their right mind would have never voted for this massive tax increase in the middle of a great depression. Yes it is a depression, the food lines don't exist because half the population is quietly on food stamps or some other entitlement (handout) hiding the real issues and enslaving them to the government. Yes, under the current political leadership (if you can call it that), hard work will get you nothing after all of the new taxes that were forced on us are paid. I see in the future a single wide trailer and poor health care for those who completely depend on the government handouts or Social Security to take care of them when they retire. I looked at the insurance exchange and was appalled that no brand name insurance companies were listed on it. It seems the good companies don't want to offer private insurance anymore. 401K's, not the government, might pull you slightly ahead for retirement if all of the businesses haven't moved to China by the time you are ready to retire. Everybody I know is getting needed surgeries out of the way now, including myself, before this health care train-wreck hits. Casinos and big businesses here have already shifted most of their employees to part-time. Over half the people I know have lost their houses, down-sized their lifestyles and are in near poverty. What does all of this have to do with meteorites? Dealers have to pay these taxes and are getting squeezed from all sides. I have worked for myself since 1989 and this is the most hostile business environment imaginable. So much for the fake Green Energy program proposed by the current administration. This was one of the high points but turned out to be just more political
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Stuart, perhaps that kind of comment is best served off list. Perhaps your friend should shop around for a better deal. Perhaps you should have won the election except your party put up the lamest most inept bunch of politicians ever seen on one stage, it was fun. You can always leave the country if you hate America so much. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:19 PM, Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com wrote: So Blue Cross and Blue Shields is not crappy insurance, and my friend just got a notice his premium is going from $270.00/mth to 740.00/mth on Jan 1. How is that helping?? I guess the non-GOP like taking it in the rear!! * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society CNPA #3622 NWS Cert. Adv. Storm Spotter IMCA #9052 Sirius Meteorites Node35 - Sentinel All Sky http://spacerocks.weebly.com * -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 9:08 PM To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Governmentshutdown A foreigner hitting your car has nothing to do with Obama. Pretty sure it happens worldwide. $10,000 deductible on $900 month insurance, that is some crappy insurance. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: No U.S. citizen voted directly on this horrible package (massive tax increase)! They were lied to thinking it was Affordable for some reason. The good companies are dropping policies like flies. A $10,000.00 deductible on $920.00/month health insurance that local doctors don't even recognize. Give me a break! How is this helping? As it stands now, every U.S. Citizen is forced to buy, in most cases, substandard insurance! If you are not a U.S. Citizen, then there is no need to purchase any insurance even while living in the U.S. Talk to my wife who's car was hit by a non-U.S. citizen with no insurance and ask how she feels. We had to pay for the repairs ourselves. How is this fair? It is a poorly thought out nightmare, a train-wreck in the making for sure. I think the price of meteorites will just have to go up. Stupid is as Stupid Does for sure, Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown We did vote on it, it was called the 2012 presidential election. The entire election was ran on Obamacare. Romney promised to kill it on day one. Romney lost decisively. We voted. The losers just haven't accepted the fact that they lost. The current shutdown is the result of a losing party throwing a temper tantrum. It won't end well for them. Let's just talk meteorites here, though the shutdown does affect meteorites in many ways. Facebook is the better place for politics. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: My 10-minute rant since all of this government shutdown business is being postured about! As it stands now, well over half my income is paid in taxes meaning that for every dollar in profit I make on a meteorite, over 50 cents goes to taxes of one sort or another. I find this outrageous! I think it should be a flat 28% across the board with a one page return so that the 90,000 furloughed IRS agents can find something better to do than manage all of these new taxes hidden in a Healthcare Law that nobody voted on. Citizens in their right mind would have never voted for this massive tax increase in the middle of a great depression. Yes it is a depression, the food lines don't exist because half the population is quietly on food stamps or some other entitlement (handout) hiding the real issues and enslaving them to the government. Yes, under the current political leadership (if you can call it that), hard work will get you nothing after all of the new taxes that were forced on us are paid. I see in the future a single wide trailer and poor health care for those who completely depend on the government handouts or Social Security to take care of them when they retire. I looked at the insurance exchange and was appalled that no brand name insurance companies were listed on it. It seems the good companies don't want to offer private insurance anymore. 401K's, not the government, might pull you slightly ahead for retirement if all of the businesses haven't moved to China by the time you are ready to retire. Everybody I know is getting needed surgeries out of the way now, including myself, before this health care train-wreck hits. Casinos and big businesses
