[meteorite-list] Microscope images

2014-01-22 Thread cbo
Dear list!

I have made images with my microscope of the outer polished surface. Many area 
has got shiny metallic light and gray or gold color. Of course the part of the 
shale is brown.
In my opinion that this pice has content mainly shale material with some not 
full oxidized metal. Maybe this part closed to the metal core of the main Hoba.
Today I have tried upload the images fro my server and give you links to the 
images.

And the other way can be a laser-spot analisis for the metallic spots.

Thank you any expert information!

Iam sorry for a weight dimension because in Europe we use the ISO standard and 
the decimal sign in ISO the , and not .. Of course you can see the 1 cm 
scale cub in the images and the small part is not able to over 3 kg:) because 
in this case the scale cub should be much bigger.

And finally is true that Anne's list see that is a shale, but the in image 
looks metallic similar shine.

Best Regards!
Zsolt


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[meteorite-list] AD : part of meteorite collection !Sale!

2014-01-22 Thread Stephan Kambach

Hallo, members of the list

selling a part of my private meteorite collection.

Have a look at it;
it’s worth to see !!


please make use of internet explorer (with firefox, having problems to see 
the pdf on the file hoster’s portal)


and the link below, you will be forwarded to it.




Best regards,  Stephan Kambach


https://app.box.com/s/rvumbudtz7ig8p5ba69f



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Re: [meteorite-list] AD : part of meteorite collection !Sale!

2014-01-22 Thread Matthias Bärmann


More than worth to see, Stephan ... without any doubt a high-end offer. 
Gorblimey!


Regards
Matthias

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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:39 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : part of meteorite collection !Sale!



Hallo, members of the list

selling a part of my private meteorite collection.

Have a look at it;
it’s worth to see !!


please make use of internet explorer (with firefox, having problems to see 
the pdf on the file hoster’s portal)


and the link below, you will be forwarded to it.




Best regards,  Stephan Kambach


https://app.box.com/s/rvumbudtz7ig8p5ba69f



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Re: [meteorite-list] Hoba shale or not shale?

2014-01-22 Thread Frank Cressy
Shawn  listees;
 
Hoba is an ataxite so etched metal would not show a Widmanstatten pattern.  
Etched Hoba metal shows an oriented sheen on a large etched slice; a small 
part slice prpbably wouldn't show it.
 
Frank

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To: 1 2 meteoritem...@gmail.com; Meteorite Central 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hoba shale or not shale?


Hello Mike G  Listers

I would think if your able to make an etch, that part would be iron, but again, 
its in cased in
shale. I guess it would be both and whoever is buying or selling would have to
disclose that and the buyer would have to pay accordingly to what is the market 
price for shale/iron.
But at the end of the day, having Hoba in your collection is a feat to 
accomplish if its shale or not.

Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633  
ebay store 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html
http://meteoritefalls.com/


















Hi Folks, I have seen shale or oxide fragments that had unoxidized metal inside
them when cut.  From the outside, the pieces resembled shale, but the
interior was unoxidized iron or it had a core area with shiny metal
in it.
So, given such a specimen, is it still considered shale or oxide
if there is unoxidized metal inside it?  What litmus test is used to
determine this?  If the metal can be etched, is it considered iron
and not shale?  If so, a way to solve the mystery is to etch the
shiny portion and see if it yields a widmanstatten pattern. Best regards, MikeG 
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- On 1/21/14, Anne 
Black impact...@aol.com wrote:
 Very interesting Don, and thank you for posting this response from
 Zsolt.

 I will have to disagree with him on one thing, he wrote:   When I have
 bought this piece from Anne Black she didnt mentioned me that it is
 shale.  That is not correct, it is clearly listed as Shale on my
 website, on the Old Collection page (
 http://www.impactika.com/OldIRON.htm ), in fact it is still there, here
 is a copy of that listing:

 Hoba Namibia 1920 Ataxite C. Anger Slice-Shale 65.389 76 x 33 x 13
 $995.00

 I would guess that Zsolt, being very new at this, did not notice or did
 not know the difference.


 Anne M. Black
 http://www.impactika.com/
 impact...@aol.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com
 To: Zsolt Kereszty c...@t-online.hu; Meteorite-list
 Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com
 Sent: Tue, Jan 21, 2014 7:25 pm
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD : part of meteorite collection !Sale!

2014-01-22 Thread Richard Montgomery

Spectacular ride, seeing these!  Thanks Stephan!
Richard M


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From: Stephan Kambach stephan.kamb...@freenet.de

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:39 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : part of meteorite collection !Sale!



Hallo, members of the list

selling a part of my private meteorite collection.

Have a look at it;
it’s worth to see !!


please make use of internet explorer (with firefox, having problems to see 
the pdf on the file hoster’s portal)


and the link below, you will be forwarded to it.




Best regards,  Stephan Kambach


https://app.box.com/s/rvumbudtz7ig8p5ba69f



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Re: [meteorite-list] Hoba shale or not shale?

2014-01-22 Thread Richard Montgomery

Hi List,
This brings up a RELATED  question I've carried around with me for 15 years, 
having carried (rolled) a ~150lb mystery rock a mile to my truck way back 
then, suspecting something.  To this day, despite my familiarity with most 
classes of meteorites and a worthy collection, I still don't rule it out, 
wondering if the few small chipped-off outside pieces might actually be 
shale and hence inconclusive for meteorite diagnostic, unlike the interior 
(it has never been cut.)


Q:  Would a TS of the shale reveal anything potential about a TS of the 
interior;  would the shale itself have any residual diagnostics that rule 
in anything; and, does the Hoba shale look terrestrial?


I have a TS of the exterior chips, and it seems weird and I've never had 
anyone definitely conclude yes or no...Blaine shot a piece last year with 
his magic gun last year (a small 3gr exterior chip) at the show, and it 
fired off a ton of elements, shrugs all around.


It doesn't look like I'll make the show this year, but if anyone wants to 
see a picture of the whole thing, send me an email and I'll send photos.


Richard Montgomery



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dmerc...@rochester.rr.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hoba shale or not shale?


Hi Folks,

I have seen shale or oxide fragments that had unoxidized metal inside
them when cut.  From the outside, the pieces resembled shale, but the
interior was unoxidized iron or it had a core area with shiny metal
in it.

So, given such a specimen, is it still considered shale or oxide
if there is unoxidized metal inside it?  What litmus test is used to
determine this?  If the metal can be etched, is it considered iron
and not shale?  If so, a way to solve the mystery is to etch the
shiny portion and see if it yields a widmanstatten pattern.

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 1/21/14, Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote:

Very interesting Don, and thank you for posting this response from
Zsolt.

I will have to disagree with him on one thing, he wrote:   When I have
bought this piece from Anne Black she didnt mentioned me that it is
shale.  That is not correct, it is clearly listed as Shale on my
website, on the Old Collection page (
http://www.impactika.com/OldIRON.htm ), in fact it is still there, here
is a copy of that listing:

Hoba Namibia 1920 Ataxite C. Anger Slice-Shale 65.389 76 x 33 x 13
$995.00

I would guess that Zsolt, being very new at this, did not notice or did
not know the difference.


Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


-Original Message-
From: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com
To: Zsolt Kereszty c...@t-online.hu; Meteorite-list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 21, 2014 7:25 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hoba shale or not shale?



- Original Message -
From: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com
To: Zsolt Kereszty c...@t-online.hu
Cc: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Hoba shale or not shale?



Hi Zsolt. Reason I ask is that I know that trying to find some real

actual

Hoba cut from the meteorite is very hard to acquire and very very
expensive. Even today the shale alone is getting difficult to

acquire. I

acquired a 3+ gram polished piece many years ago from Rob Elliott and

the

shale had lots of nice metal inside (still in my collection and can

be

seen here: http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/meteorite_collection.html
*
But it is still shale and no where near the value of an actual piece

off

the Hoba meteorite (metal). It appears that yours resembles shale but

only

Anne Black who you purchased from can truly confirm this. The outside
appearance of your piece listed on eBay resembles mine from Rob

Elliott.

Again even the shale is hard to acquire...been quite a few years

since I

seen much available until your post. Here is a neat site to check out
about the Hoba and price.
http://www.fallsandfinds.com/page7.php
*
Hope this helps.
*
Sincerely
Don Merchant
Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
www.ctreasurescwonders.com
IMCA #0960
- Original Message -
From: Zsolt Kereszty
To: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:13 PM
Subject: Hoba shale or not shale?


Dear Don!

When I have bought this piece from Anne Black she didnt mentioned me

that

it is shale.

Very interesting thing, beceause when I have cutted it it looks like

me

metal shine inside after polishing.
Really was 

[meteorite-list] Herschel Telescope Detects Water on Dwarf Planet Ceres

2014-01-22 Thread Ron Baalke

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2014-020  

Herschel Telescope Detects Water on Dwarf Planet
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
January 22, 2014

Scientists using the Herschel space observatory have made the first
definitive detection of water vapor on the largest and roundest object
in the asteroid belt, Ceres.

Plumes of water vapor are thought to shoot up periodically from Ceres
when portions of its icy surface warm slightly. Ceres is classified as a
dwarf planet, a solar system body bigger than an asteroid and smaller
than a planet.

Herschel is a European Space Agency (ESA) mission with important NASA
contributions.

This is the first time water vapor has been unequivocally detected on
Ceres or any other object in the asteroid belt and provides proof that
Ceres has an icy surface and an atmosphere, said Michael Kuppers of ESA
in Spain, lead author of a paper in the journal Nature.

The results come at the right time for NASA's Dawn mission, which is on
its way to Ceres now after spending more than a year orbiting the large
asteroid Vesta. Dawn is scheduled to arrive at Ceres in the spring of
2015, where it will take the closest look ever at its surface.

We've got a spacecraft on the way to Ceres, so we don't have to wait
long before getting more context on this intriguing result, right from
the source itself, said Carol Raymond, the deputy principal
investigator for Dawn at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena,
Calif. Dawn will map the geology and chemistry of the surface in high
resolution, revealing the processes that drive the outgassing activity.

For the last century, Ceres was known as the largest asteroid in our
solar system. But in 2006, the International Astronomical Union, the
governing organization responsible for naming planetary objects,
reclassified Ceres as a dwarf planet because of its large size. It is
roughly 590 miles (950 kilometers) in diameter. When it first was
spotted in 1801, astronomers thought it was a planet orbiting between
Mars and Jupiter. Later, other cosmic bodies with similar orbits were
found, marking the discovery of our solar system's main belt of asteroids.

Scientists believe Ceres contains rock in its interior with a thick
mantle of ice that, if melted, would amount to more fresh water than is
present on all of Earth. The materials making up Ceres likely date from
the first few million years of our solar system's existence and
accumulated before the planets formed.

Until now, ice had been theorized to exist on Ceres but had not been
detected conclusively. It took Herschel's far-infrared vision to see,
finally, a clear spectral signature of the water vapor. But Herschel did
not see water vapor every time it looked. While the telescope spied
water vapor four different times, on one occasion there was no signature.

Here is what scientists think is happening: when Ceres swings through
the part of its orbit that is closer to the sun, a portion of its icy
surface becomes warm enough to cause water vapor to escape in plumes at
a rate of about 6 kilograms (13 pounds) per second. When Ceres is in the
colder part of its orbit, no water escapes.

The strength of the signal also varied over hours, weeks and months,
because of the water vapor plumes rotating in and out of Herschel's
views as the object spun on its axis. This enabled the scientists to
localize the source of water to two darker spots on the surface of
Ceres, previously seen by NASA's Hubble Space Telescope and ground-based
telescopes. The dark spots might be more likely to outgas because dark
material warms faster than light material. When the Dawn spacecraft
arrives at Ceres, it will be able to investigate these features.

The results are somewhat unexpected because comets, the icier cousins of
asteroids, are known typically to sprout jets and plumes, while objects
in the asteroid belt are not.

The lines are becoming more and more blurred between comets and
asteroids, said Seungwon Lee of JPL, who helped with the water vapor
models along with Paul von Allmen, also of JPL. We knew before about
main belt asteroids that show comet-like activity, but this is the first
detection of water vapor in an asteroid-like object.

The research is part of the Measurements of 11 Asteroids and Comets
Using Herschel (MACH-11) program, which used Herschel to look at small
bodies that have been or will be visited by spacecraft, including the
targets of NASA's previous Deep Impact mission and upcoming Origins
Spectral Interpretation Resource Identification Security Regolith
Explorer (OSIRIS-Rex). Laurence O' Rourke of the European Space Agency
is the principal investigator of the MACH-11 program.

Herschel is a European Space Agency mission, with science instruments
provided by consortia of European institutes and with important
participation by NASA. While the observatory stopped making science
observations in April 2013, after running out of liquid coolant, as
expected, scientists continue to analyze its 

[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images: January 22, 2014

2014-01-22 Thread Ron Baalke


MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
January 22, 2014

o Light-Toned Deposits along Coprates Chasma Slopes 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_034329_1670

  This region of Mars contains kilometers-thick light-toned 
  layered sedimentary deposits along many of its floors.

o Shapes and Spots on a Polar Sand Dune 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_034441_2565

  This observation shows numerous dark shapes and bright spots 
  on a sand dune in the Northern polar regions of Mars.

o Oxus Patera Collapse Feature  
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_034656_2195

  It's unknown how Oxus Patera formed, although some suggest it 
  represents an ancient caldera formed by collapse and explosive volcanism.

o Giant Gullies North of the Argyre Impact Basin
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_034829_1325

  Even by Martian standards, the gullies in this observation are quite large.

All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

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[meteorite-list] AD ** Pristine 100g Park Forest - Taking offers for three more days

2014-01-22 Thread bill kies
Hi all, 

I'll be accepting offers for three more days.

Very fresh Park Forest meteorite recovered hours after the fall. I can show you 
the spot where it was picked up within 10 to 20 feet using google maps. 

Lots of character: 

Patches of extra thick fusion crust. 
85% crusted overall. 
Area of fusion crust misted over by a spray of matrix material. 
Metal blebs melted into puddles on the surface, one of which is relatively 
large. 
Regmaglypts and more. I'm sure there are many features that I've missed or just 
don't recognize. 

I'm not the best photographer so I've tried to make up for the lack of high 
quality pics with quantity. The pictures don't do the specimen justice. The 
crust is a rich black color with the lighter matrix indicative of Park Forest's 
dual lithology. 

There aren't many, if any, PF specimens of this quality left in circulation and 
of course, satisfaction is unconditionally guaranteed.

Check it out here: 

http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/BillKies5/media/100g%20Park%20Forest%20Meteorite/11_zpsf8493cc6.jpg.html
 

http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/BillKies5/library/100g%20Park%20Forest%20Meteorite
 

http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/BillKies5/library/100g%20PF%202 

Thanks again, 

Bill  
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[meteorite-list] Meteorites for sale

2014-01-22 Thread Bill
 Hello list,

I am selling a couple of meteorites:

1) Tieschitz 5.66 grams $1200
2) 6.99kg Campo $950
3) Alfianello 3.994g $150

Send me an email if interested.

Thanks,
Bill
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[meteorite-list] AD- Meteorites for sale, thin sections and more!

2014-01-22 Thread Greg Catterton


Hi to all, I have some really nice meteorites for sale.
10% off listed prices! see some of the meteorites available here: 
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com or on my facebook page listed below.

Also available are several thin sections, all uncovered to allow full study.
Thin sections are best prices around and currently for sale are:
2 Katol thin sections
1 Tatahouine thin section
2 NWA 1465 ANOMALOUS CV3!
1 NWA 6550 LL3.7 HUGE surface area takes up most of the slide... 
NWA  thin section collection (3 included) for $75.00 


Thin sections are $35 each plus postage, good luck finding a better price!!!

Thanks for looking, hope everyone has a great day.


Greg Catterton 
https://www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com 
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wandering-Star-Meteorites/252302821456481 
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[meteorite-list] AD : part of meteorite collection !Sale!

2014-01-22 Thread Shawn Alan
Stephan

WOW those are some great pieces your selling and great images. I could see 
those images in meteorites 
books. Thank for sharing that on here, and man I wish I had some money to get 
that Sikote Alin , beautiful
thumb prints and crust, shes a beauty.
 
Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633 
ebay store
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

2014-01-22 Thread valparint
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: San Bernardino Wash

Contributed by: Bob Verish

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp
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[meteorite-list] Fwd: Ad: North American meteorite - San Bernardino Wash (L5)

2014-01-22 Thread Jason Utas
Helo Bob, All,

I agree, they definitely look different.

'Nuff said.  You could assume microclimates, but I wouldn't start
putting forth a hypothesis like that without something substantial
like argon data to tie the two stones together.  The Meteoritical
Bulletin is clear on pairing:

http://meteoriticalsociety.org/?page_id=59

a) Level of scrutiny. Sequential names comprising a prefix and numeric
suffix will be given to new meteorites without checking for possible
pairings, although a single (collective) name may be given in cases
where fragments fit together or similar-looking fragments are found
within a few meters of each other.

b) Pairing groups. Two or more newly discovered meteorites in dense
collection areas may be considered paired with each other or with
another formally named meteorite if there is overwhelming evidence,
including geographic data, that is consistent with the meteorites
being part of a single fall. The evidence must be evaluated by the
Committee. All approved members of a pairing group will be named with
a geographic prefix plus a number in the same way as are unpaired
meteorites; special type-specimen requirements will apply to newly
paired meteorites (section 7.1f). If two or more numbered meteorites
with formal names are subsequently determined to be paired, their
names should not be changed. Pairing groups may be referred to
collectively by the lowest specimen number, the most widely studied
mass number or the largest mass number (e.g., the EET 87711 pairing
group).

To emphasize the important part, a single (collective) name may be
given in cases where fragments fit together or similar-looking
fragments are found within a few meters of each other.

They look different and weren't found within meters; the necessary
evidence clearly isn't there.  Anything else is guesswork.

Regards,
Jason


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Yes Jason,
 I agree, they definitely look different.
 But what has me puzzled is something that is not all that apparent in our 
 images.  The exterior of our two stones.
 Your stone has a very well-preserved exterior (even though your interior is a 
 uniformly-colored W3), whereas,
 my exterior (which is not visible in the image) is gone, actually eroded. Yet 
 somehow, my stone's interior
 is less weathered than your stone (my stone was classified as W1).
 I wonder, if the interior of my stone were to weather to a W3, just how 
 much it would look like your stone?


 But, to directly answer your question, I would have to refer you to my latest 
 Meteorite-Times article:
 http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2014/jan14.htm
 for my description of how a cluster of obviously-paired fragments found at 
 SBW had such a variation in looks,
 that it prompted me to sample a number of them and to actually have two of 
 those fragments classified.
 For your convenience, I'll show them here:

 Pinto Mountains -- (L6 S3 W1 Fa23.8+/-0.3% n=16; low-Ca pyroxene 
 Fs20.3Wo1.5 n=17)-- 1955 stone
 San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S2 W3 Fa24.6+/-0.6% (n=7) -- (UCLA type-specimen) 
 -- 2010 stone
 San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S1 W3 Fa24.0+/-0.2% (n=24)
 -- 2012A fragment
 San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S2 W1 Fa23.8+/-0.4% (n=14)
 -- 2012B fragment


 This just might be a case of (very) micro-environments acting immediate to 
 where each fragment is found, that is causing all of these differences.

 I'm open to any and all other explanations,
 Bob V.





 On Monday, January 20, 2014 2:48 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Hello Bob, All,
Just home from a hunt, haven't had the opportunity to reply until now.
I don't have photos of the other stone/fragments, but I do have a few
photos of SBW#1 on hand:

http://meteoritegallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/DSCN7095.jpg

http://meteoritegallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/DSCN7101.jpg

http://meteoritegallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/comparison.jpg

Is there any evidence for pairing beyond equilibrated L?  As you can
see, that slice looks a bit different.
Regards,
Jason

www.fallsandfinds.com



On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote:
 For those collectors with an interest in North American meteorites,
 I would like to bring your attention to an eBay offering (ending soon) of a 
 classified find from the California Mojave Desert:
 San Bernardino Wash (L5)
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/221353605398


 This under-appreciated meteorite promises to become better-known now that
 additional field-work and research results are starting to appear on the 
 Internet:

 https://www.google.com/#q=San+Bernardino+Wash+L5+meteorite+strewn-field

 Although the study of this area is too early to determine the possible TKW 
 of this meteorite,
 it certainly will not rival Gold Basin (L4/6), but it promises to be the 
 next Trilby Wash.
 The specimens that I am offering are the remaining slices from the