[meteorite-list] Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest

[Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list]

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From: Dennis miller >
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 9:15 PM
To: 
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Subject: Fw: Questions about the SF National Forest



Hi, Folks!  This land use gets so discombobulated that no one knows what is or 
isn't

permissible in National forests.  As for the collectors, little guys that don't 
do this for

a living, simple apply what is on the books.  This is a copy of a letter that I 
received from

State Office in Santa Fe.  It was pretty clear what I could do and couldn't.  I 
carried a

copy of this in my pocket.  I also carry a copy of Title 43 Part 8360 Subpart 
8365, "Rules

of Conduct" for Federal land, to show the unknowing ranger what I can and can't 
do.

The generally walk away saying "Have a Great day".   If I'm missing something,  
I would

like better information than I have.  Oh, the letter went to the USGA state 
supervisor.

Thanks!  Dennis

P.S. Sally Jewell, the new Secretary of Interior, from Denver, is a

outdoorsy, rock collecting, geologist.  I'm hoping she will keep our

lands open for our "Hobby".  Her e-mail is: 
secretary-jew...@ios.doi.gov



Subject: Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest



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From: "Szopinski, Joshua - FS" 
>
Date: April 21, 2016 at 8:16:22 AM MDT
To: Dennis miller >
Subject: RE: Questions about the SF National Forest

Hello,

Currently, there are no entrance restrictions on the Santa Fe National Forest. 
There are some roads that are closed but I don't recall any near Glorieta.
>From the Santa Fe National Forest website: Metal Detecting is allowed 
>throughout the forest except in significant archaeological or historical 
>sites.  It is the responsibility of the person using the metal detector to not 
>remove any item protected by law.  Please read question and answers 
> before 
>embarking on a detecting mission.
No permit or notification is required for collecting if the following applies:
* Collecting of samples is on the surface (no digging with hand tools 
or mechanized equipment).  A small sluice may be used.
* Collection is for personal use and esthetic values (cannot be sold or 
bartered).
For the following activities, please contact the Santa Fe National Forest to 
discuss permitting or authorization:
* Activity that does involve digging with hand tools or mechanized 
earth-moving equipment, including bobcats, suction dredges, 'high banking' or 
dry washing equipment.
* Commercial activities including collecting mineral or fossil 
specimens for re-sale.
* Removal of more than insignificant amounts of landscape rock.
The following items may not be collected or removed by casual collectors:
* Vertebrate fossils (dinosaurs bones, fish, - anything with a 
backbone), and shark teeth.
* Archeological resources 
 including 
any material remains of prehistoric or historic human life or activities, which 
are at least 50 years old, and includes the physical site, location, or context 
in which they are found including items such as old coins, metal implements, or 
utensils. (36 CFR 261.2)
The collection of projectile points, pottery, or any other archeological 
resource or artifact is not allowed (36 CFR 261.9 (h) without a permit. 
Projectile points include 'arrowheads' and any prehistoric human-modified stone.


Some forest roads do travel through private land and the owner of the land can 
lock the gate on the road at anytime. Going onto private property will need 
authorization from the land owner before you enter their land.

Hope that helped.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Natiional Forest Rules

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Adam is right about National Forest rules not permitting meteorite collecting.  
And, 
I'm not surprised that many of their forest service rangers are unaware of that 
fact and, 
more importantly, among the rangers that I have spoken with, most don't really 
know 
why it isn't permitted.  It's weird, when I tell them the reason "why", they 
actually argue 
with me saying that I "must be wrong, because that reason is insane."
Well, enough about that insanity. 

I just wanted to point that while Adam is right, that most dry-lakes are on 
public lands, 
not all are.  There are many on other kinds of properties.  And those on 
military bases 
are obviously out of the jurisdiction of the BLM.  Rest assured that if they 
can't make 
any money off of the meteorite find, they could care less.  So, if you have the 
rare opportunity 
to acquire a meteorite from a dry-lake located on a military base, you can 
forget about 
all this generalization about dry-lakes.  None of the rules relating to public 
lands and the 
BLM applies to these other dry-lakes. 

Bob V. 


On Fri, 6/3/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

 Subject: [meteorite-list] Natiional Forest Rules
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Friday, June 3, 2016, 12:47 PM
 
I had a List member comment that a forest service ranger told him it was ok 
to collect meteorites.  I double-checked to see if the rules have changed 
and the answer seems to still be, NO.  This also means that most meteorites 
found of dry lake beds are off-limits to be sold since most are on federal 
land which now has very limited use by the public due to so many new 
regulations.



 
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[meteorite-list] Natiional Forest Rules

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

I had a List member comment that a forest service ranger told him it was ok 
to collect meteorites.  I double-checked to see if the rules have changed 
and the answer seems to still be, NO.  This also means that most meteorites 
found of dry lake beds are off-limits to be sold since most are on federal 
land which now has very limited use by the public due to so many new 
regulations.






The below questions and answers came directly from the BLM website:



"Can meteorites be casually collected from other Federal lands, such as the 
National Forests or the National Parks?




No. This policy only applies to public lands administered by the BLM under 
its agency authorities. Casual collecting is not allowed on  lands 
administered and controlled by the National Park Service, Bureau of 
Reclamation, and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service."




"Can meteorites casually collected from public lands be bartered or sold?



Casual collection of meteorites from public lands is only for an 
individual's personal use. Sale or barter is considered commercial use. A 
permit must be issued for commercial activities and fees will be collected, 
including a purchase price based on a unit price or the percentage of fair 
market value, and a reclamation fee, if required."





Information from BLM Frequently asked questions about meteorites PDF.



http://www.blm.gov/style/medialib/blm/wo/Information_Resources_Management/policy/im_attachments/2012.Par.65264.File.dat/IM2012-182_att1.pdf



Happy Hunting, I think I will go take a dip in a pool or head to the 
Colorado River to cool down,



Adam





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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunters gear up after earlymorningfireball

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

Another concern is the weather.  The Saturday forecast calls for it to get 
up to 118 Degrees Fahrenheit here in Laughlin, Nevada.  The suspected 
strewn-field is only a couple hours drive south from here so it will 
probably be hot.  I have a racecar driver's cooling vest that has been 
adapted to field use that circulates iced water through tubes.  The battery 
last eight hours but the ice cartridges only last about four hours so 
hunting time is very limited in this kind of heat.


Be Careful!  People, who are not acclimatized to the heat,  have been found 
dead out here by simply changing a flat tire.


Adam 



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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunters gear up after early morningfireball

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

Hopefully, it did not fall in the Tonto National Forest or the Apache 
Reservation.  Both are completely off-limits.  It is doubtful the proud 
Apache Nation will allow hunters on their sovereign land since they have 
huge respect for Mother Earth.  National forests on the other hand, are 
completely out of the question as far as collecting anything goes.  The best 
one could ask for is that the strew-field is contained to private property 
with friendly landowners.


Adam


- Original Message - 
From: "Tommy via Meteorite-list" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 5:46 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunters gear up after early 
morningfireball




Bob's on the case!

http://www.kvoa.com/story/32128655/meteorite-hunters-gear-up-after-early-morning-fireball

Regards!

Tom
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite hunters gear up after early morningfireball

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

Hopefully, it did not fall in the Tonto National Forest or the Apache 
Reservation.  Both are completely off-limits.  It is doubtful the proud 
Apache Nation will allow hunters on their sovereign land since they have 
huge respect for Mother Earth.  National forests on the other hand, are 
completely out of the question as far as collecting anything goes.  The best
one could ask for is that the strew-field is contained to private property 
with friendly landowners.


Adam



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[meteorite-list] Meteorite hunters gear up after early morning fireball

[Tommy via Meteorite-list]

Bob's on the case!

http://www.kvoa.com/story/32128655/meteorite-hunters-gear-up-after-early-morning-fireball

Regards!

Tom
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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Canyon Diablo

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