Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
Looks like we got the band back together on this one. Cheers, Martin On Sunday, June 19, 2016, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list < meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > This has strayed wy off the topic of meteorites... > > > > Sent using the mail.com mail app > > On 6/19/16 at 6:38 PM, MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list wrote: > > > Captain Blood wrote: > > > > "Hi all, Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over > > 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases. > > The original phrase in this instance is > > "Pot calling the kettle black." > > > > = > > You are a cunning anthropologist Michael, but I disagree. The context is > not at all my affair, so I only comment on the use of Adam's original > aphorism or proverb he intended. Though there are even older proverbs > capturing his thought, I think he might have preferred to use the Sufi > proverb from the middle ages, hundreds of years before the pot/kettle > abomination existed: > > > > "Many of the faults you see in others, dear reader, > > are your own nature reflected in them." (Rumi ca. AD 1250) > > > > The pot and kettle saying is so butchered from its origin and barely > resembles it, and yours is not the original. It is fair game to use as he > did, since there is no authority on such idioms and the interpretation is > supported, whether it sounds good to everyone's ear or only to some. I have > traced the origin of the pot/kettle proverb undisputedly to the ancient > Greek, "Snake and the Crab" and it intended hypocrisy, whereas the > reflection/coloring suggests that the accused reserves the right to be pure > and without fault, a different concept. Pot calling the kettle black is a > late-comer, and already a poor corruption of a 3000 year old proverb that > diminishes the original, so that is why I feel the writer can appropriate > it as they feel convenient and not be beholden to any higher authority on > its use due to the selection of an arbitrary point in time, and Adam has > referenced his with a less common modern variant. English is always > evolving, and this is a living example of how it ha > pp > > ens. > > > > Kindest wishes > > Doug > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Michael Blood via Meteorite-list < > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > To: Paul Gessler >; Met. Adam Hupe < > raremeteori...@centurylink.net >; Meteorite List < > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 7:56 pm > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black > > > > Hi all, > > Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over > > 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases. > > The original phrase in this instance is > > "Pot calling the kettle black." > > Michael Blood > > > > > > On 6/16/16 8:11 PM, "Meteorite List" < > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > wrote: > > > > > Pot Coloring The Kettle Black > > > > > > __ > > > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and > the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ > > > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and > the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
This has strayed wy off the topic of meteorites... Sent using the mail.com mail app On 6/19/16 at 6:38 PM, MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list wrote: > Captain Blood wrote: > > "Hi all, Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over > 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases. > The original phrase in this instance is > "Pot calling the kettle black." > > = > You are a cunning anthropologist Michael, but I disagree. The context is not > at all my affair, so I only comment on the use of Adam's original aphorism or > proverb he intended. Though there are even older proverbs capturing his > thought, I think he might have preferred to use the Sufi proverb from the > middle ages, hundreds of years before the pot/kettle abomination existed: > > "Many of the faults you see in others, dear reader, > are your own nature reflected in them." (Rumi ca. AD 1250) > > The pot and kettle saying is so butchered from its origin and barely > resembles it, and yours is not the original. It is fair game to use as he > did, since there is no authority on such idioms and the interpretation is > supported, whether it sounds good to everyone's ear or only to some. I have > traced the origin of the pot/kettle proverb undisputedly to the ancient > Greek, "Snake and the Crab" and it intended hypocrisy, whereas the > reflection/coloring suggests that the accused reserves the right to be pure > and without fault, a different concept. Pot calling the kettle black is a > late-comer, and already a poor corruption of a 3000 year old proverb that > diminishes the original, so that is why I feel the writer can appropriate it > as they feel convenient and not be beholden to any higher authority on its > use due to the selection of an arbitrary point in time, and Adam has > referenced his with a less common modern variant. English is always evolving, > and this is a living example of how it ha pp > ens. > > Kindest wishes > Doug > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Blood via Meteorite-list > To: Paul Gessler ; Met. Adam Hupe > ; Meteorite List > > Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 7:56 pm > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black > > Hi all, > Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over > 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases. > The original phrase in this instance is > "Pot calling the kettle black." > Michael Blood > > > On 6/16/16 8:11 PM, "Meteorite List" > wrote: > > > Pot Coloring The Kettle Black > > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
Captain Blood wrote: "Hi all, Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases. The original phrase in this instance is "Pot calling the kettle black." = You are a cunning anthropologist Michael, but I disagree. The context is not at all my affair, so I only comment on the use of Adam's original aphorism or proverb he intended. Though there are even older proverbs capturing his thought, I think he might have preferred to use the Sufi proverb from the middle ages, hundreds of years before the pot/kettle abomination existed: "Many of the faults you see in others, dear reader, are your own nature reflected in them." (Rumi ca. AD 1250) The pot and kettle saying is so butchered from its origin and barely resembles it, and yours is not the original. It is fair game to use as he did, since there is no authority on such idioms and the interpretation is supported, whether it sounds good to everyone's ear or only to some. I have traced the origin of the pot/kettle proverb undisputedly to the ancient Greek, "Snake and the Crab" and it intended hypocrisy, whereas the reflection/coloring suggests that the accused reserves the right to be pure and without fault, a different concept. Pot calling the kettle black is a late-comer, and already a poor corruption of a 3000 year old proverb that diminishes the original, so that is why I feel the writer can appropriate it as they feel convenient and not be beholden to any higher authority on its use due to the selection of an arbitrary point in time, and Adam has referenced his with a less common modern variant. English is always evolving, and this is a living example of how it happ ens. Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Michael Blood via Meteorite-list To: Paul Gessler ; Met. Adam Hupe ; Meteorite List Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 7:56 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black Hi all, Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases. The original phrase in this instance is "Pot calling the kettle black." Michael Blood On 6/16/16 8:11 PM, "Meteorite List" wrote: > Pot Coloring The Kettle Black __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
A perfect example of how short-term memories can be, Sue the Dinosaur's formal designation is "FMNH PR 2081" not "FMMH PR 2081" as I was just reminded. I am also a perfectionist when it comes to details so please forgive me for this error. Time to go to brunch, Happy Fathers Day, Adam - Original Message - From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" To: Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black Anthropology is interesting from a cultural standpoint. In the meteorite world, some outsiders look in and see self-congratulatory websites and posts and ask what do they have to do with promoting meteorites instead of egos? I tell them that some are attempting to sell the story along with the meteorite. In some cases, the true story improves the value but in other cases, it detracts. Who remembers the finder of "Sue the Dinosaur" or the "Bahia Emerald?" In a single generation, the people involved have been forgotten. Nobody will remember "FMMH PR 2081" , "Sue the Dinosaur's" formal designation. It is customary for realtors to post a single image of themselves in advertising so their clients get a feel for what the person looks like. Michael Blood, similarly accomplishes the same thing with the Meteorite Friends page. Happy Fathers Day, I am heading out to brunch to enjoy the occasion with my wife and family here in very hot Laughlin, NV. It is going to be getting into the 120's later this week so I do not see any field time forthcoming anytime soon. Adam - Original Message - From: "Michael Blood" To: "Paul Gessler" ; "Met. Adam Hupe" ; "Meteorite List" Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black Hi all, Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases. The original phrase in this instance is "Pot calling the kettle black." Michael Blood On 6/16/16 8:11 PM, "Meteorite List" wrote: Pot Coloring The Kettle Black __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
Anthropology is interesting from a cultural standpoint. In the meteorite world, some outsiders look in and see self-congratulatory websites and posts and ask what do they have to do with promoting meteorites instead of egos? I tell them that some are attempting to sell the story along with the meteorite. In some cases, the true story improves the value but in other cases, it detracts. Who remembers the finder of "Sue the Dinosaur" or the "Bahia Emerald?" In a single generation, the people involved have been forgotten. Nobody will remember "FMMH PR 2081" , "Sue the Dinosaur's" formal designation. It is customary for realtors to post a single image of themselves in advertising so their clients get a feel for what the person looks like. Michael Blood, similarly accomplishes the same thing with the Meteorite Friends page. Happy Fathers Day, I am heading out to brunch to enjoy the occasion with my wife and family here in very hot Laughlin, NV. It is going to be getting into the 120's later this week so I do not see any field time forthcoming anytime soon. Adam - Original Message - From: "Michael Blood" To: "Paul Gessler" ; "Met. Adam Hupe" ; "Meteorite List" Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black Hi all, Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases. The original phrase in this instance is "Pot calling the kettle black." Michael Blood On 6/16/16 8:11 PM, "Meteorite List" wrote: Pot Coloring The Kettle Black __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 8409 TS Contributed by: Anne Black http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=06/19/2016 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list