[meteorite-list] Clube and Napier

[E.P. Grondine via Meteorite-list]

Hi Paul - 

These new papers you fed us are somewhat besides the point:Clube and Napier's 
coherent catastrophism, and recent small cometary impact sutdies.As coherent 
catastrophism could not have been developed before isotopic dating,the 
historical studies are somewhat besides the point.Further , using the word 
"catastrophist", usually associated with Velikovsky's nonsense,really is an 
effort to belittle modern impact research.
IN today's other news, we learn that bad estimates of the asteroid population 
were fed to us,and that the problem is worse then previously estimated.

As I have stated before, if your own income was dependant on locating 
astroblemes 
from the 2 Holocene Start Impact Events, then your formidable talents would be 
more 
usefully employed.

In other news, NASA still hss not launched the NEOcam.

E.P.
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[meteorite-list] Hot on the trail of Antarctic meteorites

[Tommy via Meteorite-list]

https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/hot-trail-antarctic-meteorites

Regards!

Tom

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Re: [meteorite-list] Questions About NWA 7034, "Black Beauty" Pairing

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

I have bought from the seller in question numerous times. He is very reliable, 
after at least a dozen transactions...

As to whether or not people are willing to buy specimens that cost as much as 
Black Beauty under the advertisement of a probable pairing, it is entirely up 
to the buyer.

This is a topic that has been discussed to death. Probable pairings are simply 
that, “probable” based on the knowledge of the seller, and the extent to which 
the buyer trusts them. Labs have neither the time nor the manpower to verify 
every specimen of every meteorite that gets sold. As a result, the trust 
between buyer and seller is what is most important when buying probable 
pairings.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295





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On 3/12/18 at 10:08 AM, Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list wrote:

> List, Interesting Ebay  listing. The seller shows an IMCA number 5743 and 
> guarantees authenticity with a certificate. Is that OK with the IMCA if a lab 
> has not certified it? 
> Carl
> --
> Love & Life
> 
>  Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list  
> wrote: 
> > It looks like the Moroccans are letting out a little bit at time of this 
> one.  Let a small amount out, find out what it is and what it goes for 
> on the market, and then slowly release all of the pairings.  The only 
> exception is if multiple parties in Morocco get a hold of the same 
> material, at the same time; Then it is dumped as quickly as possible as 
> is the case with the new "lunar" with similar looking terrestrial 
> breccia mixed in for extra profit.  There is no crust so few collectors, 
> and some dealers for that matter, can't tell the difference.
> 
> A List member was kind enough to point out one example of many untested 
> fragments of "Black Beauty" being offered on eBay directly from Morocco. 
>   He claims he was offered the 3 Kilo piece over a year ago but they 
> refused to break it down into more affordable pieces at $100.00/gram. 
> They are content selling smaller untested pieces for 10 times this amount.
> 
> Rarest Old Basaltic Breccia Martian meteorite 0.31g http://r.ebay.com/ZgE79Q
> 
> I refuse to play games with them.  If a few dealers want to buy two 
> thirds of the big stone, I would be interested in the other third.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/9/2018 3:53 PM, Graham Ensor wrote:
> > I was told it is mythical.
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 6:06 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
> >  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Does anybody know the disposition of the 3 kilogram plus pairing to
> > NWA 7034, the Basaltic Martian Breccia sometimes referred to as
> > "Black Beauty?"  Has it been been cut yet?  Has a laboratory
> > analyzed it or is it just another self-paired stone? $300,000.00 or
> > $100.00/gram for the entire stone is a bit much but I would be
> > interested in a kilogram at this price if it has been confirmed in a
> > laboratory and is available.
> > 
> > I was hoping it would have shown up cut in Tucson but I did not hear
> > anything more about it so canceled any thoughts of going to the show
> > last month.
> > 
> > Any info would be greatly appreciated,
> > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Questions About NWA 7034, "Black Beauty" Pairing

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

List, Interesting Ebay  listing. The seller shows an IMCA number 5743 and 
guarantees authenticity with a certificate. Is that OK with the IMCA if a lab 
has not certified it? 
Carl
--
Love & Life

 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list  wrote: 
> It looks like the Moroccans are letting out a little bit at time of this 
one.  Let a small amount out, find out what it is and what it goes for 
on the market, and then slowly release all of the pairings.  The only 
exception is if multiple parties in Morocco get a hold of the same 
material, at the same time; Then it is dumped as quickly as possible as 
is the case with the new "lunar" with similar looking terrestrial 
breccia mixed in for extra profit.  There is no crust so few collectors, 
and some dealers for that matter, can't tell the difference.

A List member was kind enough to point out one example of many untested 
fragments of "Black Beauty" being offered on eBay directly from Morocco. 
  He claims he was offered the 3 Kilo piece over a year ago but they 
refused to break it down into more affordable pieces at $100.00/gram. 
They are content selling smaller untested pieces for 10 times this amount.

Rarest Old Basaltic Breccia Martian meteorite 0.31g http://r.ebay.com/ZgE79Q

I refuse to play games with them.  If a few dealers want to buy two 
thirds of the big stone, I would be interested in the other third.

Adam




On 3/9/2018 3:53 PM, Graham Ensor wrote:
> I was told it is mythical.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 6:06 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Does anybody know the disposition of the 3 kilogram plus pairing to
> NWA 7034, the Basaltic Martian Breccia sometimes referred to as
> "Black Beauty?"  Has it been been cut yet?  Has a laboratory
> analyzed it or is it just another self-paired stone? $300,000.00 or
> $100.00/gram for the entire stone is a bit much but I would be
> interested in a kilogram at this price if it has been confirmed in a
> laboratory and is available.
> 
> I was hoping it would have shown up cut in Tucson but I did not hear
> anything more about it so canceled any thoughts of going to the show
> last month.
> 
> Any info would be greatly appreciated,
> 
> Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Questions About NWA 7034, "Black Beauty" Pairing

[Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list]

It looks like the Moroccans are letting out a little bit at time of this 
one.  Let a small amount out, find out what it is and what it goes for 
on the market, and then slowly release all of the pairings.  The only 
exception is if multiple parties in Morocco get a hold of the same 
material, at the same time; Then it is dumped as quickly as possible as 
is the case with the new "lunar" with similar looking terrestrial 
breccia mixed in for extra profit.  There is no crust so few collectors, 
and some dealers for that matter, can't tell the difference.


A List member was kind enough to point out one example of many untested 
fragments of "Black Beauty" being offered on eBay directly from Morocco. 
 He claims he was offered the 3 Kilo piece over a year ago but they 
refused to break it down into more affordable pieces at $100.00/gram. 
They are content selling smaller untested pieces for 10 times this amount.


Rarest Old Basaltic Breccia Martian meteorite 0.31g http://r.ebay.com/ZgE79Q

I refuse to play games with them.  If a few dealers want to buy two 
thirds of the big stone, I would be interested in the other third.


Adam




On 3/9/2018 3:53 PM, Graham Ensor wrote:

I was told it is mythical.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 6:06 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
> wrote:


Does anybody know the disposition of the 3 kilogram plus pairing to
NWA 7034, the Basaltic Martian Breccia sometimes referred to as
"Black Beauty?"  Has it been been cut yet?  Has a laboratory
analyzed it or is it just another self-paired stone? $300,000.00 or
$100.00/gram for the entire stone is a bit much but I would be
interested in a kilogram at this price if it has been confirmed in a
laboratory and is available.

I was hoping it would have shown up cut in Tucson but I did not hear
anything more about it so canceled any thoughts of going to the show
last month.

Any info would be greatly appreciated,

Adam
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