[meteorite-list] OT: Looking for Mark Earnst, urgent
Mark, where art thou? Don't you want to earn money? A client with a big order is urgently and desperately looking for you. Please contact me immediately (or take a look in your email-inbox). [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WG: Global Warming - Scientifically proven or a farce- human Hammer-
Forwarded from Andi Gren, who doesn't come through neither (well Andi, at least I would pay a good price for that L6, if it will hit a certain person in Illinois...just a joke): Hi Tim , List , all involved in this interesting treat, Your suggestion about the Asteroid wiping out half of the planet and then be sold on e bay brings me back to Meteorites. When I have seen the first time a picture from the Lady hit by the Sylacauga Meteorite, I was happy to know it's not reported a Meteorite ever kills a person. It makes our hobby in some way more peaceful. But I always asking my self what would happen if a Meteorite would kill a person? The Hammers and Cow killers are well paid and I know Sylacauga was very very well paid at a meteorite auction this year at the Tucson show. So would the Meteorite be the most expensive L6 ever been sold? Ore would nobody like to own a slice of a human killer hammer? Ok, I'm sure everybody would agree an impact kit is out of respect, but what's about the Meteorite, who would like to own a human killer Hammer? best greetings Andi We are a society that starves our grandchildren to feed our children. All the signs are there to prove that Mother Earth cannot take anymore of the pollution and the destruction we throw at her. We are seeing increasing numbers of Tsunami's, Volcanic eruptions and Earthquakes even here in England we are experiencing this. One really sad thing I see is one day an Asteroid comes and hits us and wipes out half the planet I see unfortunately some humans would try and drag the remnants of it away and attempt to sell it on Ebay because cash is all that is worshipped. Mike, Look at the positive side of this for our hobby and business... With Global Warming (that some doubt) the Arctic will have less ice, and our grass and farmlands lands will become deserts. Just imagine all the new meteorites that will become exposed and available to us collectors. And the prices will go down, too. But all of these benefits will be far outweighed by the economic impact of Global Warming that the Republican Bushites doubt. A natural cycle, some say, but look at the ice in the Arctic that environmental scientists are coring. It certainly shows a vastly greater increase in carbon dioxide emissions over the last 150 years that corresponds directly to human activity during our Industrial Revolution. The greatest increase in 900,000 years. And just think, 600,000 years ago Yellowstone caldera supervolcano erupted, a brief yet catastrophic event for the entire earth. It's overall impact was small compared to what we are doing now. But back to meteorites... The prices will drop as more are found due to the melting of Arctic ice, desertfication of our grass and farmlands... But the question is... Who will buy them once the economic crunch of Global Warming hits our pocket books? Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 -- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, not likely in our lifetimes, the money that could have been spent going back to the moon, building a permant base, then going to Mars, all of it could have been done with the money we have pissed away in Iraq. But hey, look at it this way, Haliburton moved to Dubai to be closer to the money, they are taking good care of it for us, the taxpayers. Enough of things that do not pertain to meteorites though, we have all had our say and I will leave this topic since I have a meteorite show to attend and then meteorites to dig up in the Arctic. Michael Farmer --- Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So true Mike Farmer. That is the problem with our age. We want everything never taking into consideration what we leave those that follow us after we are dead and gone. They will curse us or thank us for what we do now. But to do nothing about global warming now, which is a scientifically proven fact, pretty much leaves them with a ruined world and a curse for us. (Maybe by then they will have left this planet to terraform Mars, and mine asteroids (parent bodies of the meteorites we love) for their resources, all the while looking out into space or up into a Martian sky at a bright star that was the world we ruined.) Steve Schoner. #4470 [meteorite-list] Global Warming - Scientifically proven or a farce Michael Farmer meteoriteguy at yahoo.com Sun Jun 10 13:25:59 EDT 2007 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] Global Warming - Scientifically proven or a farce * Next message: [meteorite-list] Global Warming - Scientifically proven or a farce * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Paul, ok, lest say you are the proud winner of that bet! Bush got his way, America refused to do it's part and the oceans only raise 4 feet in the next 10 years. I guess you had better go to Florida/New York City/Boston, most of the Gulf Coast, and well, most of the Island nations in the Pacific. They will be gone,
Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Global Warming - Scientifically proven or a farce- human Hammer-
Not I was asking the question, Andi was - I was only forwarding on his behalf. ...I could organize some cow-brain, if you want to frame it in a riker with your Valera... If I had a hammer lalalala lala la laah. Other question, would somebody buy impact pits? I remember, that the finders of Neuschwanstein-2, dug around and under the impact pit, and transported the whole pit in a piece of ground down from the mountains, My English is leaving me...how to describe the excavation of a hole I mean the hole existed, the dug and extracted the hole Arrrgh, I better stop. martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Mark Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Juni 2007 00:01 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Global Warming - Scientifically proven or a farce- human Hammer- Do you really need to ask the question? There's no question that it would be bought, sold, and that the provenance would increase the value. Would I want to own a sample? I'm not sure*. I'd like to think not, but I suspect I'd start asking questions like can you guarantee that /this fragment/ wasn't the one which did the damage? I imagine others would ask for a guarantee that it /did/ do the damage (I think Michael just proved that point between me starting and sending this note!) :-) Mark *I'm lying. Of course I would. But I'd still want an 'innocent' fragment... Martin Altmann wrote: But I always asking my self what would happen if a Meteorite would kill a person? So would the Meteorite be the most expensive L6 ever been sold? Ore would nobody like to own a slice of a human killer hammer? Ok, I'm sure everybody would agree an impact kit is out of respect, but what's about the Meteorite, who would like to own a human killer Hammer? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Global Warming - Scientifically proven or afarce
Hi Sterling, 1, There is no unequivocal evidence that the Earth is warming, but it may be. I don't know, whether an academic armchair discussion is really consolatory for those people, whose existence is depending on weather. Because they already have to realign and are realigning for the new reality they are facing. I'm talking e.g about farmers. And in that point whether a warming could be observed, I honestly trust them more, than any statistician, because they give a on modelling theories and their assertions (also regarding the long time records) do have for me a higher significance than from those, who are arguing about the right interpretation of measured data or the methods of measuring. And there we have simply the fact, that e.g. here in middle Europe since 10-15 years, the vegetation period start 4-6 weeks earlier in spring, so that the farmers are forced, to cultivate other kinds of crops, fruits ect. than those, which they cultivated traditionally for decades and centuries. Another especially traditionally field of agriculture is the viniculture, there the winegrowers due to the higher temperatures, the drier summers ect. change over to grape varieties normally growing only in South Europe, because those ones cultivated over centuries don't tolerate the new weather and/or those varieties, which couldn't be grown in past, because it was to cold and wet bring more profit. (And meanwhile it's no utopia anymore to grow wine in England...). Remarkable furthermore is the unseen frequency of severe droughts in springs and summers, - gosh, I'm often on the Baragan in Romania, settled for 100 years as granary for the whole country. In the recent decade there was almost no normal summer anymore, the crop died, the small farmers all are ruined, don't sow anymore, because it's hopeless and sold their land (now it's Monsanto country). And because our beloved dog died there last year from a parasitic disease, where the only sporadic cases in that region were reported 100 years ago and which else occurs only in the tropics (no treatment was available, because of the high number of cases, medication was sold out), I could take that scientific assertion, that there might be no indications of a warming as an affront... Additionally in the recent years - also a so far quite unusual phenomenon there - one can observe each year now tornados there. In alpine tourism industry there you can find helpless attempts - there they started now to cover the glaciers with awnings, because the pace of deglaciation accelerated so dramatically, that they fear soon to have no slopes there and due to the higher temperatures they have to invest a lot in snowguns, as the classic ski resorts don't have enough snow anylonger and got simply to warm. Additionally more money has to be spent for arrangements against mountain slides, because more often those mountains, where the rocks are glued together by ice, come down now. Due to the high stress of reduced average rainfall, the long dry periods and due to the deadwood caused by more and more storm extremes, the wood industries in central Europe had more than mere years. And seen the records, I'd have to look, but 8 out of the last 10 summers here were simply to hot. Such occurences, that you can cross Rhine and Danube by foot, well that didn't happen that often in the last 500 years - and such occurrences would be of course noted in the chronicles. And with all respect for studied scientist, each idiot, which hasn't Alzheimer and has eyes to see in his head, can see in his daily life the indications of a warming compared to the 70ies and 80ies. Tell me Sterling, why do I see now in winter in my garden bird species, whereabout I can read in books from the 80ies, that they are migratory birds - and which I couldn't observe in the winters 20-10 years ago? I remember back as pupil - the happy events, called Hitzefrei - hot weather, school off. When in forenoon the temperature was higher than 28°C, the pupils were sent home. Was introduced in 1892. Nowadays several federal states in Germany eliminate that rule, simply because meanwhile because of the warming to many lessons would have to be cancelled. And I remember well back, as a Bavarian, what a sensation it was once in the 80ies, when there were 4 days in April, when you could sit in the evening outside in the beer gardens. That happens now every year. Last April had an average temperature, which was 5.6 °C higher than the long term average for April (already included the Aprils of the recent years)- hence it was like an average September. Other effects are the accumulation of weather extremes. Storms and extreme rainfalls - causing remarkable inundations. Sterling, try nowadays to buy in Germany an insurance policy against flooding for your house, lying near a river or in a valley. They will laugh at your face at the insurance company offices. I could go on with hundred examples. Important is, that these private people
Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of Russians bearing Seimchan
It is supposed that the offenders have been inspired by a recent TV program, which discussed the high value of meteorite pieces on Russia's black market. Interesting, if it's true, then one can see, which effects can be yielded by the often so hopelessly exaggerated figures about the value of meteorites the laypeople in media or even some scientists from time to time are hawking. If the thieves would have known, that such a piece would cost let's say 3000$ only, then maybe they would thought twice, whether it would be worth to break into that museum. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Darren Garrison Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Juni 2007 17:09 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Beware of Russians bearing Seimchan http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=81664 Chunk of Meteorite Stolen from Russian Museum 9 June 2007, Saturday A chunk of a meteorite weighing over 7 kilograms has been stolen from a museum in the remote Magadan Region in Russia's Far East on Saturday. A local Interior Ministry spokesperson explained the thieves broke into a history museum in the village of Seimchan at night and stole a part of the meteorite named after the residential place. It is supposed that the offenders have been inspired by a recent TV program, which discussed the high value of meteorite pieces on Russia's black market. The Seimchan meteorite was found in 1967 near the Seimchan gold mine in the Magadan Region. The local police authorities are still investigating the case. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dhofar 908 3-lithology photo
Hi Dave and Norbert, than we should contibute also that dual-lithology pictures from one of our lunars: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/olivine-gabbro.jpg http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/olivinegabbro-3.771g.jpg Great, aren't they? Chladni's Heirs. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Norbert Classen Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Juni 2007 01:29 An: 'Dave Schultz'; 'Meteorite List' Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Dhofar 908 3-lithology photo Hi Dave, and All, No need to be sorry - NWA is another great example of a lunar with three lithologies, and it's also kind of a missing link between other paired stones: http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/NWA-2.092g.jpg If you just had a stone displaying the ol-phyric basaltic lithology only, such as NWA 3160... http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/NWA3160-1.050g.jpg ...and another stone that consisted entirely of olivine-gabbro, such as NWA 2977... http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/NWA2977-2.890g.jpg ...you would hardly notice that you are dealing with potentially paired stones if it wasn't for these multi-lithology samples such as NWA 2727: http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/NWA2727-3.36g.jpg For more detailed information please visit Randy Korotev's great page at: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa0773.htm Enjoy! Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Sorry to intrude on your discussion once again on Dho 908 and also changing the subject a bit, but I think one of my favorite lunar slices has to be NWA that Norbert has on his web site. Seems to me from my uneducated eye, that this particular lunar slice has more than one lithologies, but I`m probably wrong. Can we get an explanation on this one to extend this fascinating subject a while longer and possibly a photo for everyone to see? Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Presenting NWA 4766 - the best-preserved Shergottite from hot deserts
Dear friends, we have to announce our newly classified Martian meteorites to the collector's delight as they belong to the most aesthetic and freshest shergottites, which ever were made available: NWA 4766 (provisional) Several stones were acquired in 2007 with a total weight of 225 grams. Most probably NWA 4766 is paired to NWA 2975 and NWA 2986. With our NWA 4776 we think, that we're able to go even one better regarding the quality and also the prices - but judge by your own: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/special.html Have a nice Sunday! Yours Chladni's Heirs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Webb and Larry
Great list rule suitable for a l l parties from King James Version. Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Back to stones, please! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the gao meteorite
Let me guess, Michael, a Gao-Guenie-Coffee-Mug !!! Or a Gao Calendar! A chunk of Gao on the sill with snowy garden for January A chunk of Gao on the sill with snowy garden for February A chunk of Gao on the sill with snowy garden for March A chunk of Gao on the sill with snowy garden for August A chunk of Gao without crust as centerfold Gao-lingerie, Eau de Gao perfume, puffy Gao beanbag, Car stickers: Gao on board...Back off naysayers Marchpane Gaos do already exist, Steve! http://www.frischmann-marzipan.com/images/3431.jpg -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Michael L Blood Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007 19:14 An: steve arnold; Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] the gao meteorite Steve, I think I write for us all in saying we await your next pronouncement with bated breath!!! Best wishes, Michael!!! on 5/23/07 6:56 AM, steve arnold at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is simply amazing this 1960 witness fall,H5 ordinary stone chondrite.I just got another 500 grams of beautiful fully crusted individuals.The amazing part is the high metal content.All the pieces have alot of metal just oozing out.I have one in perticual that is very oriented and has 2 large metal flecks just jetting out.I just seem not to be able to get enuff of these beauty;s.I am considering a small gao sale to give back to on my good fortune.Stay tune! Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! chicagometeorites.net.Specializing in Gao Meteorites! Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ __ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite lossin its Value
I heard, Eucrites are believed to originate from Vesta. You know, Vesta is a large asteroid. I heard, that it doesn't come closer to us than 1,3 millions of miles. If you have a very dark night in Veneto in the countryside and you know, where to look - you can see it as a tiny spot of light like the faintest star. And I heard more! People of Earth want to know more about that spot! So they sat together and decided, we have to send a vehicle there, only to make a picture of the rocks to found there and to smell a little bit on them. So every man and woman on Earth, doter and suckling, grasped in their money-saving-sock under their mattresses (if they were happy enough to have one) and gave Seven 1cent-pieces to make this adventure come true. Matteo, sometimes we feel so silly, when we read, whether a stone from so far away should cost a buck or five Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von M come Meteorite Meteorites Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2007 06:25 An: azrou mohamed; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite lossin its Value for the moroccans eucrites, the same material for kilos, I have seen some moroccans ask $6-10/gr., when normaly they ask for this material $2/gr. months ago, and is the same material, not new eucrite I give you good price oh yes sure...I want seen at few days in a mineral show here how much they ask for this material Matteo - Original Message - Da : azrou mohamed [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : [meteorite-list] meteorite lossin its Value Data : Mon, 21 May 2007 10:18:20 + Hi list Its so sad to have nice stone with good price and no one wanna buy it. I think Eucrite is going to lose its value in future, that what its seems to me. But i want to know how stone will be less value. is it fot its low price or quantity we have or what else. thats seemsstrange to me no one still interested in buying Eucrite even with good price. Mohamed Ait Ouzrou __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite lossin its Value
Ooopsie, so many zeroes, must bee 130 millions of miles... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin Altmann Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2007 13:19 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite lossin its Value I heard, Eucrites are believed to originate from Vesta. You know, Vesta is a large asteroid. I heard, that it doesn't come closer to us than 1,3 millions of miles. If you have a very dark night in Veneto in the countryside and you know, where to look - you can see it as a tiny spot of light like the faintest star. And I heard more! People of Earth want to know more about that spot! So they sat together and decided, we have to send a vehicle there, only to make a picture of the rocks to found there and to smell a little bit on them. So every man and woman on Earth, doter and suckling, grasped in their money-saving-sock under their mattresses (if they were happy enough to have one) and gave Seven 1cent-pieces to make this adventure come true. Matteo, sometimes we feel so silly, when we read, whether a stone from so far away should cost a buck or five Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von M come Meteorite Meteorites Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2007 06:25 An: azrou mohamed; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite lossin its Value for the moroccans eucrites, the same material for kilos, I have seen some moroccans ask $6-10/gr., when normaly they ask for this material $2/gr. months ago, and is the same material, not new eucrite I give you good price oh yes sure...I want seen at few days in a mineral show here how much they ask for this material Matteo - Original Message - Da : azrou mohamed [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : [meteorite-list] meteorite lossin its Value Data : Mon, 21 May 2007 10:18:20 + Hi list Its so sad to have nice stone with good price and no one wanna buy it. I think Eucrite is going to lose its value in future, that what its seems to me. But i want to know how stone will be less value. is it fot its low price or quantity we have or what else. thats seemsstrange to me no one still interested in buying Eucrite even with good price. Mohamed Ait Ouzrou __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Reward: Looking for Brachinites- and K-chondrites photos!
Dear listees, we're looking for good pictures - the higher the resolution, the better of BRACHINITES, as there are: Brachina Eagles Nest Hughes 026 NWA 525 NWA 3151 Nova 003 Reid 013 Reid 027 Elephant Moraine 99402 Elephant Moraine 99407 Lewis Cliff 88763 And K-Chondrites: Kangari Lea County 002 Lewis Cliff 87232 As a Thank You for your help, we'll raffle one of our wellknown Moon boxes (NWA 4483) among all submitters. Many Thanks! MartinStefan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions (chondrules and minerals)
.some more... Chladniite http://www.mindat.org/search.php?minname=chladni Brezinaite http://www.mindat.org/min-768.html Daubreélite http://www.mindat.org/min-1230.html Barringerite http://www.mindat.org/min-537.html Krinovite http://www.mindat.org/min-2276.html Heideite http://www.mindat.org/min-1845.html Hapkeite http://www.mindat.org/min-26419.html (Maskelynite http://www.mindat.org/min-7765.html) Haxonite http://www.mindat.org/min-1836.html Well a Nortonite, Weirite ect still has to be discovered... Buckleboo! (Na,Ca)11Ca4(Si,S,B)14B2O40F2·4H2O Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Piper R.W. Hollier Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Mai 2007 10:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Questions (chondrules and minerals) Hi Greg, Mike, Sterling, and list, At 21:48 17/05/07, Greg wrote: 1. Has any rock formed on Earth been found containing Chondrules in it? If so, what kind of rock and where was it found? Sterling has a fascinating ability to describe complex processes lucidly and accurately in layman's terms, so I have nothing to add to his wonderful explanation except to recommend three good books that describe in some detail the geologic processing that has turned the chondritic precursors of terrestrial materials into the rocks and minerals that we find today on Earth: Harry J. McSween, Stardust to Planets, St. Martin's Press, 1993, ISBN 0-312-09394-2 Harry J. McSween, Meteorites and Their Parent Planets, Cambridge University Press, 1987, ISBN 0-521-32431-9 Robert T. Dodd, Thunderstones and Shooting Stars, Harvard University Press, 1986, ISBN 0-674-89137-6 2. Are there any minerals found in Meteorites that are NOT found (or formed) on earth. Of the one hundred or so minerals found in meteorites, about twenty-five are found only in meteorites. Here are some of them; someone who is more of a mineralogist than I am can hopefully add to this list: chromite: pure chromite, Fe(2+)Cr2O4, has been found only in meteorites. Chromite has the general formula (Mg,Fe2+)(Cr,Al,Fe3+)2O4 http://www.answers.com/topic/chromite clinoferrosillite: FeSi2O6, a high temperature polymorph of ferrosillite found only in meteorites http://www.minerals.net/mineral/silicate/ino/pyroxene/enstatit/ferrosil.htm djerfisherite: K3CuFe12S14 http://www.answers.com/topic/djerfisherite kamacite: nickel-iron (low nickel), body-centered cubic alpha-Fe,Ni, a nickel-iron alloy with up to 7.5 percent nickel http://www.amonline.net.au/geoscience/meteors/types.htm http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~ingrid/dictionary.html merrillite: Ca3(PO4)2, colorless phosphate mineral found only in meteorites http://www.answers.com/topic/merrillite nierite: silicon nitride, Si3N4 http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1995Metic..30..387L niningerite: (Mg,Fe,Mn)S, mineral found only in meteorites http://www.answers.com/topic/niningerite osbornite: titanium nitride, TiN http://www.galleries.com/minerals/elements/osbornit/osbornit.htm rhabdite: synonym for schreibersite (see below) schreibersite: iron-nickel-cobalt phosphide, (Fe, Ni, Co)3P http://www.amonline.net.au/geoscience/meteors/types.htm silicon carbide, SiC http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2004AM/finalprogram/abstract_78326.htm taenite: nickel-iron (high nickel), face-centered cubic alpha-Fe,Ni with varying Ni content (~ 27% to 65%) http://www.amonline.net.au/geoscience/meteors/types.htm http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~ingrid/dictionary.html ureyite: a sodium chromium pyroxene, NaCrSi2O6, found as rare emerald green grains in the iron meteorites Coahuila, Toluca, and Hex River Mountains http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/149/3685/742 One could make a second list of minerals that are very common in meteorites and very rare on Earth (for example: troilite, FeS) . Best wishes, Piper __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Is this real?
Humm, I found this more shocking than any giveaway from S.A. in Illinois. http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/Asteroids2.html I'm a little bit scared Buckleboo! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mbale Video
While browsing I found a nice video about the Mbale recovery: http://www.uni-koeln.de/math-nat-fak/nukchem/meteor2.htm Takes a little time to load and until it starts. Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] European pallasites
It depends on what Europe is for you - Brahin, Belorus - Mineo, Italy - Finmarken, Norway - Marburg, Germany - Barcis, Italy - Hambleton, England ( - Krasjonarsk, - Omolon, -Seymchan, -Pallasovka, all Russia, are quite Asian). Privjet! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Harris Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2007 20:29 An: metlist Betreff: [meteorite-list] European pallasites Hi Folks, Anyone out there let me know how many European pallasites there are? thanks! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mbale Video
Yep Al, On that page you'll find the young gentleman to the left holding the corpus delicti: http://www.xs4all.nl/~dmsweb/meteorites/mbale/mbale.html Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von AL Mitterling Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2007 20:21 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Mbale Video Hi Martin and all, I remember when that fell and buying my first specimens a few months after. There was a good article about the fall in Sky and Telescope with good photos. I believe there were several specimens that hit objects like building tops and so forth along with a small meteorite hitting a young boy on the head. He recovered. Best! --AL Mitterling Martin Altmann wrote: While browsing I found a nice video about the Mbale recovery: http://www.uni-koeln.de/math-nat-fak/nukchem/meteor2.htm Takes a little time to load and until it starts. Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?
Come on folks, to much spare time? Mark: I can honestly say that it's certainly not an open and welcoming community. - Wrong. Most hobbies try to encourage beginners - proponents want to share their knowledge, wonder and passion about their interests. - true and with this list, you found exactly the right place. Check the archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/ Here on the list you'll find more infotmation about meteorites than in any other place on web and you are invitated to address to the list, whenever you have a meteoritical question. Ken: Maybe the seller isn't intentionally fraudulent? That Prof. Ameri seems to be a real person, although he seems to have some idiosyncratic theories, if one tries to interpret that sketch: http://www.radiochaco.com.ar/meteorito.htm A Berlin Astronomical Center does exist in Berlin Potsdam at the Urania-Planetarium: http://www.radiochaco.com.ar/meteorito.htm The Astronomische Zentrum Bruno H. Buergel, named after an astronomer and author of popular astronomy books. Certainly not the first address in Berlin for meteorites, that would be the Humboldt-University. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Jason Utas Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2007 01:11 An: Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspect Seller? Hello Ken, Bill, Mark, All, Ken's message just informed 600+ people that there was a fraudulent seller on ebay. Ben's post told 600+ people that *he* was fed up with reading other peoples' posts about fraudulent sellers. This is one of those cases where I would have to say that, without a doubt, Ken had every right to post his message, and you had no right to tell him off, Bill. Even if you don't care to read posts about suspicious/fraudulent sellers, posts such as Ken's obey all list rules, and perform a service to novices who may be lurking on the list (or scanning list archives on google), hoping to find information on what and what not to buy. If you don't like reading them, delete them, and if you get fed up with a single person's posts, by all means, block them or filter out there posts through selective email scanning (most email services have this sort of feature) - but don't post personal attacks to the list like you just did, because posts such as that are actually in direct violation of list policies. All talk must be meteorite-related and non-combative, at least with regard to pointed statements such as Are you bored to death? It's simply uncalled for. If you don't like posts such as this, and feel a need to respond, please do so privately (and, I hope, politely in the future). Bill, the person you mentioned in your message, Matteo, came onto the list while I was here and has come and gone a few times since then. He was blocked a few times for posting private messages to the list and using...inappropriate language. People may have gotten onto his case for posting ebay warnings, but I believe that they actually did so because of his warnings pertaining to the classic 'Nigerian scam' postings that everyone seems to get (They're so easy to recognize in general, that people get annoyed when warned of such things.) ...That, and he's an easy target - people on this list seem to get into a frenzy when someone who's not too eloquent or perhaps not a native English speaker comes on and posts...it's sad, but even true meteorite enthusiasts with good intentions get beaten up on here; it's just a fact that hasn't changed in, well, the nine years I've been on here. Sorry this goes out to the list, but I do think it has something to do with list policy in general - perhaps attacks could become a little less...prolific. Regards, Jason On 5/15/07, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark, This list is for everyone. I don't comment all that often. When I do it's for a good reason. Ken knows what I'm getting at. All the points you made are accurate. I think the mix of personalities here makes for an interesting forum. I hope I didn't offend you but if I did, change things. Incapable of grandstanding, Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:37:48 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspect Seller? Hey Bill, What is it with some of the people on this distribution? According to the met-list About, this is... ...with over 600 members, the best place to get information on rocks from space! I'm old on astronomy, and newish on meteorites. I joined thinking I'd get information on rocks from space. As for Ken's post (I don't know the man) - it's useful to get a feel for the kind of scams that are around. I'm not stupid, but I can be misled. What's the primary purpose of this group, nowadays, in reality? Is it for dealers? Mainly dealers, with collector/lurkers hoping to get an inside tip? Or just a place for the Old Boys to ignore or beat up
Re: [meteorite-list] Where have all the meteorites gone?
Well, Dean, perhaps one should express it less pessimistic and alleviate apprehensions : The market will normalize again. The segment of the classical finds and falls, never wasn't affected by the desert-price-crash to that extend, only some mass locales, which appeared in large quantities - but that's also normal, that old locales disappear, new are coming up. Regarding the desert finds, you're certainly right, though meteorites shouldn't be regarded solely as ventures. (To own a valuable specimen and to transmute it into cash, is quite another cup of tea.) But what we, at least I believe, could meanwhile recommend with a clear conscience is, that the collector shouldn't wait any longer, whether the desert finds will get even more cheap than nowadays. I reckon that of course the rare types will raise in price, with one type you already observed it during the last months and last year. With ordinary weathered chondrites, which are by far the bulk of all finds (although they weren't visible on web in the right ratios to the rare types during the last years) the development will be slower, but on the long run, when the overhang will be mined down, also they will get more expensive. (Good crusted or oriented are already much higher paid than the years before). So if one e.g. plans a project to build up a complete systematical collection by type, he should think about to start to realize it within the next very few years. Just my opinion, Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von dean bessey Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Mai 2007 21:37 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Where have all the meteorites gone? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There used to be a good selection of pallasites and decent-sized irons rolling through ebay but it seemed to dry up a few months ago. It's downright pathetic lately. What's going on? I know that many people think that dealers have been making it up for the last 3 years but meteorites are running out. In any other industry, stamp collecting, gemstones ect, people look to dealers for a guage of how the market goes and for information. But meteorite people all figure dealers are lying in an effort to drive prices up. Bizzaar. A couple weeks ago somebody even commented that NWA869 was really common. It hasnt been common in 2 years. I remember about 3 years ago in Tucson somebody had a 4 foot pile of the ugliest NWA869 that I had ever seen. I commented at the time that it looks like somebody went over the strewnfield with magnetic equipment and dug the highly weathered ones out of the ground and that this probably means that the strewnfield has been hunted out. It appears that I was right has no large piles have come out since. The next year in quartzite some dealers who werent with it were dumping quantities of small NWA869s at 2 to 3 cents a gram and people were still saying that prices will keep going down forever. Smart money was buying. You never get offered container loads of chinese tektites or Nantens like you were regularly being offered 4 years ago. Gibeon seems done. NWAs are much harder to buy nowadays and the amount of rare classification stuff is few and far between nowadays. About two years ago two large strewnfields (Several tons or more each) of really low grade stuff was found. This all flooded the market all at once and this (along with the rejects of other strewnfields) started getting dumped on ebay my many dealers (Including myself) for under 5 cents a gram. Many people believed that this drop in price was evidence that prices were still falling and will do so forever. Knowledgable investigation revealed that the quality had gone down. I know that 5 yaers ago I could get 500 kilos of nice meteorites in in 3 weeks flat. Now it takes me 6 months to buy that amount. I will let you in on another secret. Meteorite hunters still go to Oman. They dont make a big specticle of it anymore so somebody who dont like competation can pay off the police to set them up and have them arrested but they still go. But they rarely go because they dont find meetorites. The biggest attraction is the lunar strewnfields. Two years ago the russians told me that they still find meteorites but only small ones. So where will future meteorites come from? The atacama is volcanic and the desert is not old. It will never bring out huge amounts of meteorites. There is lots of areas in the middle east becides Oman. But much is militarized or full of landmines. And its not as virgin picking as you might think. Its been searched and I know of a few nomads from morocco (Most of whom are unemployed since eastern morocco has something like a 80% unemployment rate) who uses their religious requirement to go to mecca (Moslems who can afford it are supposed to go to mecca once in their lives) to get on a camel and go on the 11 month trek to mecca from morocco in the hopes of making the trip
[meteorite-list] (AD) Martian Venus Stone is sold
The oriented Mars is gone. Thanks for your attention and participation. Stefan Martin Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (AD) Sensation: Best oriented Martian after Lafayette offered for sale
Dear Collectors, the Heirs continue to celebrate the 250th anniversaire of the ancestral father of meteoritics, Ernst Florens Friedrich Chladni, in making available a truly unequaled specimen, which in principle needs no words to be advertised or described. Judge by your own. http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/oriented-mars.html Despite of the explosion of the Mars prices of the recent 6 months, we'll accept for that Martian Venus stone of 9.16grams all offers starting at 8000$. Enjoy! Stefan Martin Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Gliese's Roadmap for the Lightmobile
Anybody got a lightmobile? (I'll chip in for the gas.) Sterling K. Webb Hi Sterling, unfortunately mine was lost in the car-wash plant, but I can contribute the roadmap, that we won't get astray: Wilhelm Gliese: Catalogue of Nearby Stars, Edition 1969 Veröffentlichungen der Astronomischen Rechen-Institutes Heidelberg Nr.22, Karlsruhe 1969. It's Gliese's second - and the more famous edition - of his Catalogue, also referred to as the CNS2, (1st ed.was in 1957). Contains the data for 915 stars next to our sun: Number, name, HD number, RADec (1950.0), proper motion, radial velocity, spectral type, luminosity class, apparent magnitude, colour, trigonometic parallax, trigonometrically determined absolute magnitude, spectral spectroscopic parallax, resulting parallax, resulting absolute magnitude, space velocity components. 4°, paperback, 120pp., in English. It's a very fine copy, clean, no dog-ears, I guess I could call it Mint Condition. And, it still has the so often missing loose inlaid sheet with the Errata of 1971. Certainly a milestone in the history of special star catalogues and a covetable collectible for the bibliophilic astronomers and stargazers among the list members. (for the non-collectors of the history of astronomy among them, who nevertheless want to start now to hunt for our nearest neighbours, you'll find all data online here: http://www.ari.uni-heidelberg.de/aricns/gliese.htm ). The price - well, honestly, I have no idea. I forgot, what I paid for and this Catalogue appears to be so extremely rare, that I wasn't able over the last years in sporadically checking the antiquarian search engines (abebooks, zvab, bookfinder, ilab...) to identify a reference price, cause it wasn't offered else, than as a Xerox copy (at approx 20$). So just make me offers, until I'll get weak and will let it go. I guess a trade versus a stone (with name) would be possible too.. Clear Skies! Martin Chladni's Heirs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Iron Contest
IAB-ungrouped ! With almost 10% Ni. Yess. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. April 2007 22:22 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] New Iron Contest Anne's guess: Anomalous Ungrouped Iron Ingo's guess: IIICD iron Bernd's guess: Silicate-bearing IIE-ungrouped; artificially reheated Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!)
But Alex, why are you so surprised? You as all-time collector haven't you noticed, that one dealer after the other disappears? To little appreciation or money for the hard work. Look who had quit, is going to quit or turns at present to other business fields: - New - Nikicher - Carion - Kroth - Labennes - Zeitschel - Sinclair - Cisneros - Sprich - Eisler senior - Pittman - Burkhard - Kempton - Stehlin - Cintron - Killgore - McCall - Bühler - Franco - Wampfler - Matteo - Fectay - Pellison - Cahill - Bessey (- Does that Farrell still exist?) Now Elliott. With the fading out of the desert supply additionally all those who grew with the desert will disappear too. In a few years you won't find almost no professional meteorite dealers anymore. Only a small oligopoly. And a few collectors, selling here and there a piece. Will be boring times for the Armandos of the world. But Chladni's star will shine! Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Alexander Seidel Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. April 2007 17:43 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) A dear meteorite friend of mine just suggested sort of an April 1st joke to me, regarding this message. But look for yourself. Then again this could be some internet piracy - or is it indeed true? Who knows..?? Well, Rob will know! :-) Alex Berlin/Germany Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:26:19 +0200 Von: Alexander Seidel [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) This is what looks to be hot news somehow... I just stumbled upon a short note on Rob Elliott´s (Fernlea) website, which I was occasionally surfing to. Has anyone any more detail on this? Alex Berlin/Germany citation from Rob´s website:--- Hi folks! My entire meteorite collection/inventory has just been sold to a collector, wishing to own a World class meteorite collection of their own. After 10 years as a full-time, professional meteorite dealer, I'm pleased to announce that I'm now retiring as a seller. I won't be leaving meteorites completely, although from now on, my emphasis will be on hunting, rather than dealing in meteorites. I will of course be honouring all part-paid sales on-hold deals that were agreed before today. I'll leave my sales pages online for the pictures information, but I can't sell you anything! :-). My thanks to all my customers, past and present...not only for their business, but also for their enthusiasm in the World's greatest hobby. Rob Elliott __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!)
Oh? So maybe I got the wrong impression from the last shows, where you reduced the meteorite assortment in favour of old china, artifacts, fossils. Thus I was thinking you were turning now more away from the meteorites to other business fields. So welcome to the oligopoly of the meteorite future!! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: The Earth's Memory [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. April 2007 18:41 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) Hello Martin and list members, well Martin, we are absolutly not quitting this business !!! First of all we love meteorites and the knowledge they bring to us. Secondly with the 2.4 tons officially exported from Morocco and legaly imported in ECC we would be crazy to give up such a good market especially now that many new big collectors are coming to the meteorite world ! you will all have to count with us and www.meteorite.fr by the way if anybody is looking for rare types or pristine historical, our incredibly large inventory is waiting for you !! Cheers from France, Bruno Carine Fectay La Memoire de la Terre Sarl The Earth's Memory LLC France www.meteorite.fr www.fossile.fr - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) But Alex, why are you so surprised? You as all-time collector haven't you noticed, that one dealer after the other disappears? To little appreciation or money for the hard work. Look who had quit, is going to quit or turns at present to other business fields: - New - Nikicher - Carion - Kroth - Labennes - Zeitschel - Sinclair - Cisneros - Sprich - Eisler senior - Pittman - Burkhard - Kempton - Stehlin - Cintron - Killgore - McCall - Bühler - Franco - Wampfler - Matteo - Fectay - Pellison - Cahill - Bessey (- Does that Farrell still exist?) Now Elliott. With the fading out of the desert supply additionally all those who grew with the desert will disappear too. In a few years you won't find almost no professional meteorite dealers anymore. Only a small oligopoly. And a few collectors, selling here and there a piece. Will be boring times for the Armandos of the world. But Chladni's star will shine! Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Alexander Seidel Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. April 2007 17:43 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) A dear meteorite friend of mine just suggested sort of an April 1st joke to me, regarding this message. But look for yourself. Then again this could be some internet piracy - or is it indeed true? Who knows..?? Well, Rob will know! :-) Alex Berlin/Germany Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:26:19 +0200 Von: Alexander Seidel [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) This is what looks to be hot news somehow... I just stumbled upon a short note on Rob Elliott´s (Fernlea) website, which I was occasionally surfing to. Has anyone any more detail on this? Alex Berlin/Germany citation from Rob´s website:--- Hi folks! My entire meteorite collection/inventory has just been sold to a collector, wishing to own a World class meteorite collection of their own. After 10 years as a full-time, professional meteorite dealer, I'm pleased to announce that I'm now retiring as a seller. I won't be leaving meteorites completely, although from now on, my emphasis will be on hunting, rather than dealing in meteorites. I will of course be honouring all part-paid sales on-hold deals that were agreed before today. I'll leave my sales pages online for the pictures information, but I can't sell you anything! :-). My thanks to all my customers, past and present...not only for their business, but also for their enthusiasm in the World's greatest hobby. Rob Elliott __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 03/04/2007 12:48 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!)
O.k Greg, I have no time to argue with you, take a look into the archives in January, where you promoted in your weekly ads, trying to rush the collectors into buying, that first there would be the last 3 slices of your NWA 4472 available and in one of the next ads, you stated, that you would have only 2 slices left. Go and look. Availability is a main factor of pricing btw. So I repeated in my reply to that post nothing else than the obviously wrong information you supplied to my and to the list and where we were all relying on. Now you came out - self promoting - when a client shared his enthentusiasm about his NWA 4485 specimen on the list on the occasion of the event of the publishing of NWA 4485 in the Bulletin preview and in the database, with a Whole Bunch of slices more. Well, if that is a better strategy of promoting, I doubt. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Greg Hupe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. April 2007 19:19 An: Martin Altmann; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) Hello Michael, Martin and List, These replies from Martin the last couple weeks are starting to look like shameless self promotion. This week his group will be the only dealers out there, real soon. Last week he stated I was sold out of a particular lunar meteorite and went on to promote his own, even though I was not sold out. Interesting strategy Martin! What else do you have up your sleeve ;-) Best regards, Greg P.S. I will still be around for quite some time, too many goodies to share that have not been announced yet! Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) Oh? So maybe I got the wrong impression from the last shows, where you reduced the meteorite assortment in favour of old china, artifacts, fossils. Thus I was thinking you were turning now more away from the meteorites to other business fields. So welcome to the oligopoly of the meteorite future!! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: The Earth's Memory [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. April 2007 18:41 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) Hello Martin and list members, well Martin, we are absolutly not quitting this business !!! First of all we love meteorites and the knowledge they bring to us. Secondly with the 2.4 tons officially exported from Morocco and legaly imported in ECC we would be crazy to give up such a good market especially now that many new big collectors are coming to the meteorite world ! you will all have to count with us and www.meteorite.fr by the way if anybody is looking for rare types or pristine historical, our incredibly large inventory is waiting for you !! Cheers from France, Bruno Carine Fectay La Memoire de la Terre Sarl The Earth's Memory LLC France www.meteorite.fr www.fossile.fr - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) But Alex, why are you so surprised? You as all-time collector haven't you noticed, that one dealer after the other disappears? To little appreciation or money for the hard work. Look who had quit, is going to quit or turns at present to other business fields: - New - Nikicher - Carion - Kroth - Labennes - Zeitschel - Sinclair - Cisneros - Sprich - Eisler senior - Pittman - Burkhard - Kempton - Stehlin - Cintron - Killgore - McCall - Bühler - Franco - Wampfler - Matteo - Fectay - Pellison - Cahill - Bessey (- Does that Farrell still exist?) Now Elliott. With the fading out of the desert supply additionally all those who grew with the desert will disappear too. In a few years you won't find almost no professional meteorite dealers anymore. Only a small oligopoly. And a few collectors, selling here and there a piece. Will be boring times for the Armandos of the world. But Chladni's star will shine! Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Alexander Seidel Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. April 2007 17:43 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) A dear meteorite friend of mine just suggested sort of an April 1st joke to me, regarding this message. But look for yourself. Then again this could be some internet piracy - or is it indeed true? Who knows..?? Well, Rob will know! :-) Alex Berlin
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!)
Great! I hope you didn't take it as a personal offense, it wasn't meant so. I personally and most of the long-time collectors feel, that it is a real pity and a deplorable development, that so many good names, thus with their variety especially in the classic sector, excellent sources, left meteorites. Elliott was also one of the top supplier with his often difficult to obtain historic fall and finds. Perhaps we are lucky and some more from that mentioned dealers will raise the finger and will shout: Who? Me? I'm there! Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: The Earth's Memory [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. April 2007 20:01 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) Martin, just for your personal informations, we are in the fossils and antiquities business in Morocco since 1992 (do you want to see our passeports ?) Paleontology and Archeology is our first hobby and we are still active even in publication with many scientists. Our exhibition on shows have always been roughly 40% meteorites and 30% each fossils and antiquities... Best from France to all of you ! B C - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) Oh? So maybe I got the wrong impression from the last shows, where you reduced the meteorite assortment in favour of old china, artifacts, fossils. Thus I was thinking you were turning now more away from the meteorites to other business fields. So welcome to the oligopoly of the meteorite future!! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: The Earth's Memory [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. April 2007 18:41 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) Hello Martin and list members, well Martin, we are absolutly not quitting this business !!! First of all we love meteorites and the knowledge they bring to us. Secondly with the 2.4 tons officially exported from Morocco and legaly imported in ECC we would be crazy to give up such a good market especially now that many new big collectors are coming to the meteorite world ! you will all have to count with us and www.meteorite.fr by the way if anybody is looking for rare types or pristine historical, our incredibly large inventory is waiting for you !! Cheers from France, Bruno Carine Fectay La Memoire de la Terre Sarl The Earth's Memory LLC France www.meteorite.fr www.fossile.fr - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) But Alex, why are you so surprised? You as all-time collector haven't you noticed, that one dealer after the other disappears? To little appreciation or money for the hard work. Look who had quit, is going to quit or turns at present to other business fields: - New - Nikicher - Carion - Kroth - Labennes - Zeitschel - Sinclair - Cisneros - Sprich - Eisler senior - Pittman - Burkhard - Kempton - Stehlin - Cintron - Killgore - McCall - Bühler - Franco - Wampfler - Matteo - Fectay - Pellison - Cahill - Bessey (- Does that Farrell still exist?) Now Elliott. With the fading out of the desert supply additionally all those who grew with the desert will disappear too. In a few years you won't find almost no professional meteorite dealers anymore. Only a small oligopoly. And a few collectors, selling here and there a piece. Will be boring times for the Armandos of the world. But Chladni's star will shine! Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Alexander Seidel Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. April 2007 17:43 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) A dear meteorite friend of mine just suggested sort of an April 1st joke to me, regarding this message. But look for yourself. Then again this could be some internet piracy - or is it indeed true? Who knows..?? Well, Rob will know! :-) Alex Berlin/Germany Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:26:19 +0200 Von: Alexander Seidel [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) This is what looks to be hot news somehow... I just stumbled upon a short note on Rob Elliott´s (Fernlea) website, which I was occasionally surfing to. Has anyone any more detail on this? Alex Berlin/Germany citation from Rob´s website:--- Hi folks! My entire meteorite collection/inventory has just been sold to a collector, wishing to own a World
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!)
See how often we promote here on the list and if I remember Dave Harris was speaking about NWA 4485, not 4472 in that thread, which you used to promote immediately your 4472. So you are mixing up the protagonists. Both stones were coming out at the same time. (4485 is the main mass of that find, so we gladly accept you acknowledgement of our hard work too.) But, you'll understand, that for such a kind of immature discussions, we won't be at disposal. (That we leave to other experts). Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Greg Hupe Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. April 2007 20:34 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) Yes Martin, Regarding NWA 4472, yes, at first there were 3 last complete slices, then 2. After no one wanted the complete slices after many offerings, I broke one of them down into part slices for those who only wanted or could afford smaller specimens. End of that story. As you know, sometimes collectors like to trade-up specimens, thus leaving the first round back to other collectors. This was similar in what happened with NWA 4527, an unpaired Martian I introduced recently. I offered the largest stone (small ~10 grams) to try and preserve it whole. There were no takers but plenty who asked that if I ever cut it, to let them know so they could trade-up in size or get one for those who were not able to get one of the few slices from the first round. Once cut and offered to those who emailed, the trade-in pieces came back and were re-offered. This did not change the TKW, just the fact that the first round was re-sold. You are right, an argument is not worth my, yours and especially the List's time. For future reference, do not use my name to promote yourself and we will be just fine. I work too hard to have this kind of strategy done by others. If someone uses my hard work to promote sales or otherwise of their own material, you can rest assured that I will make all that I have available known so collectors can have a choice. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) O.k Greg, I have no time to argue with you, take a look into the archives in January, where you promoted in your weekly ads, trying to rush the collectors into buying, that first there would be the last 3 slices of your NWA 4472 available and in one of the next ads, you stated, that you would have only 2 slices left. Go and look. Availability is a main factor of pricing btw. So I repeated in my reply to that post nothing else than the obviously wrong information you supplied to my and to the list and where we were all relying on. Now you came out - self promoting - when a client shared his enthentusiasm about his NWA 4485 specimen on the list on the occasion of the event of the publishing of NWA 4485 in the Bulletin preview and in the database, with a Whole Bunch of slices more. Well, if that is a better strategy of promoting, I doubt. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Greg Hupe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. April 2007 19:19 An: Martin Altmann; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) Hello Michael, Martin and List, These replies from Martin the last couple weeks are starting to look like shameless self promotion. This week his group will be the only dealers out there, real soon. Last week he stated I was sold out of a particular lunar meteorite and went on to promote his own, even though I was not sold out. Interesting strategy Martin! What else do you have up your sleeve ;-) Best regards, Greg P.S. I will still be around for quite some time, too many goodies to share that have not been announced yet! Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Rob Elliott retiring as seller (?!) Oh? So maybe I got the wrong impression from the last shows, where you reduced the meteorite assortment in favour of old china, artifacts, fossils. Thus I was thinking you were turning now more away from the meteorites to other business fields. So welcome to the oligopoly of the meteorite future!! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: The Earth's Memory [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. April 2007 18:41
[meteorite-list] The Brave Tin Soldier
Once upon a time Folks! You know what made my day last weekend! A romantic sentimental story There! http://kuerzer.de/crownjewel Guess what this little guy is? It's nothing else, than the second meteorite specimen I purchased in life! Must have been in 1982, when little Martin bought it at the Munich show from mighty Walter Zeitschel (and I'm very pleased with that little boy, who had already a remarkable good taste even as rookie - small but big enough to display the pattern, a fullslice and important for Mundrabilla, a troilite...). Was also one of the very first specimens I sold. Now last Sunday, when I jabbed my fork into the belly of the carp... No, I got it one stage earlier and tore it out from the gutter, which is called ebay. Dull it got its his long journey. I'll give it to The Sorcerer, who will craft again a jewel out of the slice, perhaps he'll carve some Reichenbach lamellae.. and then I'll never will let it go again for the rest of my life! Lore: Meteorites, once found, never get lost. Buckleboo! Martin PS: On Friday Rumpelstiltskin Martin will go on a ride into the forests for 2 weeks. Meanwhile the wise and benign King Ralew will concede audiences to be addressed with all your hardships desires: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matteo's Hatred SPAM
Matteo IS the translator. It was developed by the Machine Addicted Text Translation Engine Organisation. Unfortunately the coders lost the control over that machine and it developed a kind of artificial intelligence to a certain degree. Fritz vs. Kasparov .. Wow Babelfish vs. Matteo that would be a poetry slam! Martin Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Samstag, 31. März 2007 17:33 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Matteo's Hatred SPAM I''ve been on this list for only a couple of months and I was wondering if anyone has a Matteo-translator. Paul - Original Messages - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:52 AM Subject: Re: Matteo's Hatred SPAM and I am a bit broken of idiots type Mike Farmer every time, if you not are of the same idea, start to insult, offence etc... and say he are the unique have reason...sorry but similar people I do not support them. I have say for 300 times to farmer to block my email, and he continue to broken me why read my messages, for not speack of the nicest private emails he send to me. Just you Greg say of the attacks to Farmer when for months you and Farmer have quarreled in this list, promising sparks when you found yourselves in Tucson and after nothing happened...please.. Matteo I hate only determinated americans, type those that they claim to know all their even if in wrong or the super men's that they think to do all their, one of this you are and other few persons, for the remainder I have buy for 10 years meteorites in USA without any problem. The unique, I repeat, I hate its person type you only good to speack for nothing without any experiences only why the others they believe your words its the uniquebig mistake.. Matteo ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime
Armando, I don't know whether it's to indiscreet, but allow me a question: What's your age? Each collector, each museum, each lab can acquire from the meteorite dealers partslices, fullslices, endcuts, whole stones and in most cases also the main masses of those stones, where also micromounts are sold. So where is your problem? You don't want to buy small pieces, you don't want to buy large pieces, therefore you obviously don't know, what you want else than to complain. That's a behaviour of an uneducated child. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Armando Afonso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Samstag, 31. März 2007 13:46 An: Michael Farmer; Martin Altmann; 'Thaddeus Besedin'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime Sorry Mike. I am back OK, but in compensation, you are here all the time. I forget all the time how sensitive you are... Yes, it is ridiculous to make coins, frogs and Mickey mouses from meteorites. This materials deserve a bit more respect than that. Ridiculous too, is to reduce interesting meteorites to dust, only to be abble of selling them (in little bags of 1mg) to children. A piece of Mars, wow! I dont think that this is a service to science. To collect this things is acceptable, but the specimen value should be preserved. This are rocks, so the texture and structural features should be visible in the smallest specimens, or their pedagogic value is reduced to zero. The chemical composition should be preserved. Engine oil, acrylic resin substituting olivine do not comply with my definition of cosmic material. If the concern is the conservation of the meteorites, they should be de-hidrated and stored in inert gases, maybe in nice glass containers, why not? Please excuse me again. Warm regards. AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Thaddeus Besedin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime Armando is back, I knew it would not take long for him to start calling people names again. Michael Farmer --- Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Martin. You are nearly to be erradicated from the list, acused of beeing a comunist... Each time I spoke against this and others scientific uses of meteorites I was insulted by the pirates. I warned you. AA - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Thaddeus Besedin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime Hi Thaddeus, what are your suggestions to improve those circumstances? For me personally, it would be interesting, how many of the list members opine, that meteorites shouldn't be objects of commerce. Can somebody set up a poll? Martin Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thaddeus Besedin Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. März 2007 07:38 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes of time List, Do we need Franklin Mint-esque coins to hype the insuperable wonder of actual meteoritic material free of made-to-order home shopping network (no trademark) gimmick? These rank amongst the greatest achievements of Mike Farmer, capitalist of little self-control and imagination. Give us rocks, and that's it: you sell rocks. Collectors can become humorously obsessive when all reference to our target interests are accepted. Coins will distract from oxidation, reduction, recrystallization, and chondrules. -Thaddeus Besedin It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 4472 KREEP-rich
Yep, and those, who missed the opportunity to take advantage from Greg's sales of NWA 4472, which is sold out, (isn't it?) as it was a 64g-stone only (not that bad, if you remember that Apollo 12 brought back only a single 88g KREEP first) has now the opportunity to acquire a slice from its bigger KREEPy brother NWA 4485. All 3 KREEPs had together a total tkw of 564grams, making it to the rarest type of all. Exciting material (also historically seen, as Kreep helped a lot to understand how the Moon once formed). All the Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Greg Hupe Gesendet: Samstag, 31. März 2007 15:39 An: Dave Harris Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA 4472 KREEP-rich Hi Dave and List Yes, NWA 4472 is great KREEP-rich Lunar material and if you ever want first-hand classification information on anything we have, feel free to contact me or the NomCom-approved scientist's for anything we have brought to the meteorite community. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:41 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 4485 boast Hi, Just a word to boast that I am the very proud owner of a 0.315g slice of the new KREEP-rich lunar thanks to Martin Altmann and Stefan Ralew of Chladni's Heirs! This is an astonishingly rare lunar (TKW 188g) - paired with Greg and Adam s find - incredible under the 'scope and it has really helped me to research and understand some of the complexities of Lunar evolution. I am grateful for the opportunity to acquire this material at a VERY acceptable price and I am amazed at my own reaction and sense of wonderment of this rock. I really need to know more about what I am seeing! Good call, Chladni folk! best! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins - speaking with myself...
in finding meteorites and also some important ones. And other institutions made also some field trips, o.k. maybe not so successful, but learning by doing (and like this each private hunter achieved his abilities), they could learn. And take the great Antarctic Campains, since more than 30 years different institutions from different nations are in the field and have recovered the lion share of meteorites. The Antarctic hunt, Armando, is ways more expensive as if they would simply buy the meteorites from dealers and private hunters. E.g. for that amount of money they spend for having only 3 weeks a team on the blue-ice, they could buy our fat granulitic Moon of 600grams or the entire KREEP stone and in 30 years of Antarctic hunt, no KREEP was found, or Dean Bessey, the pirate, would deliver them for that amount 7tons of chondrites right to the door (that would be much more than he traded in life). That are the proportions, you have to keep in mind, Armando. So all in all one could get the impression, that science seems not to see any necessity to rescue the commercialized meteorites and that they are content with the stones they already do have. I write could... Again, the costs of buying them is lower than those mentioned programs costs, seen to the annual expenses in quite all other disciplines the costs would be ridiculous, especially compared to the other methods of space exploration. And the meteoritcists, if they feel like you, would simply have to advertise their research subject in a better way to get more funds. I mean, Armando, many of those dealers and hunters, you're permanently attacking can work only, because they had or do have sponsors (or paying their passion from other jobs)- so you really can't tell me, that if those small private people are able to find sponsors, universities shouldn't be able too?? Well, remember Killgore, he tried with his SW-meteorite lab. Hence Armando, you have to address not to the dealers, but to the scientists, if you aren't content with the situation. I really hope that you got it now and you won't carry on with posting always the same rubbish to the list. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin Altmann Gesendet: Samstag, 31. März 2007 14:29 An: 'Armando Afonso'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastesoftime Armando, I don't know whether it's to indiscreet, but allow me a question: What's your age? Each collector, each museum, each lab can acquire from the meteorite dealers partslices, fullslices, endcuts, whole stones and in most cases also the main masses of those stones, where also micromounts are sold. So where is your problem? You don't want to buy small pieces, you don't want to buy large pieces, therefore you obviously don't know, what you want else than to complain. That's a behaviour of an uneducated child. Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] KREEP and SAU 169
Almost correct, the small Dho 925/960/961 grouplet was revaluated in January to be also Kreep-bearing, see Korotev's fine scheme: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alumina.htm The rough parent location could be the Mare Imbrium/Oceanus Procellarum region, as - aside in ejecta from a few craters, the lunar prospector probe located KREEP only there, in mapping the whole surface. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Harris Gesendet: Samstag, 31. März 2007 19:02 An: metlist Betreff: [meteorite-list] KREEP and SAU 169 So, in the process of googling around I see that the only other KREEP rock (other than the Hupe's and Chladni's paired specimens) is SAU 169 - which, as far as I can tell has not been distributed into any private hands (correct me, of course!) The thing is about SAU 169 is that they have a pretty good idea which crater the bugger was finally launched to Earth from, by careful and I think clever analysis of the petrological history of the rock ( see http://tinyurl com/ytufj6 ) they have managed to confidently predict which crater launched it into the orbit that finally hit the Earth. So, any ideas regarding the paired KREEP rocks and their 'parent' location? ciao! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes of time
Hi Thaddeus, what are your suggestions to improve those circumstances? For me personally, it would be interesting, how many of the list members opine, that meteorites shouldnt be objects of commerce. Can somebody set up a poll? Martin Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thaddeus Besedin Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. März 2007 07:38 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes of time List, Do we need Franklin Mint-esque coins to hype the insuperable wonder of actual meteoritic material free of made-to-order home shopping network (no trademark) gimmick? These rank amongst the greatest achievements of Mike Farmer, capitalist of little self-control and imagination. Give us rocks, and that's it: you sell rocks. Collectors can become humorously obsessive when all reference to our target interests are accepted. Coins will distract from oxidation, reduction, recrystallization, and chondrules. -Thaddeus Besedin It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] blue crystals as desiccants
Here in Germany the dessicants with the cobalt-indicator is more and more replaced by the orange dessicants, as the cobalt-stuff was rated in 2000 to be weakly carcinogenic. I read, that the orange stuff uses that as indicator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenolphthalein Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls
Hi Doug, and you forgot to mention, that the Turkmen-people had wished, that the 1ton stone would have hammered that Nyjazov right on the head, as he was an especially idiotic example of the meanwhile rarer species, called megalomaniac dictator. Nyjazov wrote a pseudo-religious book, an incredible rubbish. That book he made to the main subject in all schools and no university diploma without the examinee being able to recite the content word by word. He let build monuments for this book, in TV-shows the people danced arounf that book (and he wasn't pleased, that most national libraries all around the world, refused to accept the copies he presented them). In the capital he let errect a golden statue of himself, motor-operated to turn around for the sun always shining in his face. He officially redefined the names of the months, one is named now after his mother. Frequently he arranged song contests, with the requirement that all lyrics had to praise his splendour, glory and wisdom. Those were after a while even for him so boring, that he didn't attend the spectacles anymore. In the capital he started a project, that on each intersection underpasses were built, and by law the pedestrian had to use them, although there are almost no private cars in town, only for not disturbing him, when he is going by car. He bleed his people dry, destroyed the medicare, which is now worse than in Africa, he cited the people to hard labours, arbitrary imprisonments torture were the orders of each day. Thanks God he wasn't so militaristic like e.g. Kim Jong-il, but in the row of dictators a Lukashenko is a choir boy in comparision. That man was mentally insane. I've some hundred grams of his Sapamurat Turkmenbashi H5 left. Small rusty fragments. But I will store them a few years, as they are still suffering from the Russian disease and underrated. Yep it has 1ton tkw, but 1ton of that 1ton is a single stone. No supply anymore. Happy those, who bought in time! Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von MexicoDoug Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. März 2007 04:31 An: Meteorite Mailing List Betreff: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls Dear Listees, I just noticed Mike offered up for sale a meteorite from Turkmenistan, beautiful! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170095403910 DASHOGUZ (H5) fall, 1998. This would appear to be the fresh good stuff recovered by Kakabay Annaniyazov around the rim of the crater as everything in the crater was apparently terribly oxidized officially with a total of only 7kg. While NAU only has 21 grams for classification the rest seems to be in the hands of an anonymous private collector. Check out this little gem that coincidentally came into my inbox (embellished only slightly): On June 20, 1998, the eve of the anniversary of the democratic authoritarian head of state of Turkmenistan was to celebrate the anniversary of his rise to power on June 21 (Summer Solstice). By decree, a meteorite fell on his country on that day to herald in the celebration - weighing well over a metric ton! A diehard meteorite devotee, the kingly leader thought, ... This one has my name all over it. He then decreed that the meteorite would be named His Excellency, World Leader of Turkmens and President Saparmurat Atayevich Niyazov, after himself. We better know this meteorite as KUNYA-URGENCH (H5), as the Nomenclature Committee did not respect his wishes with official status. It was then decreed in some circles underground, that members of said committee would have their tongues cut out if they ever set foot in Turkmenistan looking for meteorites. The King emphasized this point by commanding a repeat occurrence for collectors. Sure enough, on September 5, 1998, two and a half months later, another H5 fell which was named DASHOGUZ, just 50 kilometers away from the original. The British Museum then was rumored to diplomatically motion for the tongues of its colleagues by making Turkmenbashy (=Great Leader of the Turkmens) a synonym in the style of Alexander the Great, using his first name: also known as: Saparmurat Turkmenbashy (Saparmurat the Great Leader of the Turkmens). And that official synonym, given the nod by Turkmen scientists for the original Turkmenbashy fall, continues today. His Excellency, Great Leader of Turkmens and President Saparmurat Atayevich Niyazov unfortunately joined the stars from whence he came officially around the Winter Solstice (December 21, 2006). It is an interesting footnote that those are the only two witnessed falls ever recorded for Turkmenistan :-) The new President of Turkmenistan is: Gurbanguly Mälikgulyýewiç Berdimuhammedow soon maybe to add Turkmenbashy. The grapevine has it he may also command a meteorite fall in his name to consolidate rule in this challenging resource rich country - and his is rumored to be the son of Turkmenbashy. Best Health and Best Wishes, Doug
[meteorite-list] OT: Mars cases lots - who?
Sorry for abusing the list. I've a little email-mess. Those, who still wanted additional lots of the Mars boxes, please contact me. To those, who already had ordered - all lots were shipped today. To those, who ordered larger sizes than XS, they will be shipped within a few days. Sorry for the delay! Martin Stefan. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion crusts on stony meteorites
Hah Dave, I disagree :-) Moni Waiblinger is also an excellent hunter in USA! She showed us some of her finds in Tucson, among them a really perfect oriented stone! Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Freeman mjwy Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. März 2007 01:56 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion crusts on stony meteorites Well Dear Ladies; I find my personal friend, and buddy, Maria Haas from Michigan to be far superior a meteorite hunter than any of the other ladies on the list and especially from Michigan. Her large and excellent karma helps her find many meteoritesjust not in Michigan. Very best, Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RICHLAND, Final
Well, Dave, at least they could have made it a little bit more interesting for the new list members, illustrating the thread with nice pictures. Photo-duty for fighting-posts! So that the other members wouldn't have asked themselves: Errr.Farmer has a piece of that iron, Wasson has a piece of it, Schoner has one, (only Jason not), where is their problem? And while these were arguing about, whether the iron was bought after 11 months, 1 year or 13 months, they could have enjoyed in each email of you're a liar, I'm a liar, I apologize for this, but not for that a fine picture of Fredericksburg and Richland. The main masses, pieces on museum's displays, fullslices, and so on. Cause Fredericksburg is a real fine hexahedrite! Displays excellent Neumann lines, has tiny strange schreibersites, looking like alien character, rhabdites - though that guy is a little bit problematic to preserve. Iron-God Pilski once prepared me some. Jewels! For them I'd abandon each North Chile! Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Freeman mjwy Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. März 2007 05:20 An: Jason Utas Cc: Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] RICHLAND, Final PLEASE TAKE THIS OFF THE LIST, WE DO NOT CARE AT THIS POINT...THE BATTLE DOES NOT INVOLVED THE LIST AT THIS POINT. PLEASE, FOR THE SAKE OF THE NEW LIST MEMBERS THAT ARE ALSO SICK OF THE BICKER MATCH. Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Saint Patrick's Day Bonanza ! SALE
As long as Doug isn't singing by his own Just turn off the speakers of your computer. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Howard Steffic Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. März 2007 12:26 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Saint Patrick's Day Bonanza ! SALE Does anyone else instantly leave a website as soon as the music starts? http://www.diogenite.com/t1.htm I find websites with music anoying. They are even showing up on ebay for crying out loud. A word to sellers: If I want to listen to music, I will turn on the radio. Music on a website = NO SALE to me. Howard Steffic From: MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Saint Patrick's Day Bonanza ! SALE Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:54:16 -0600 Dear Listees, http://www.diogenite.com/t1.htm GREEN STAR METEORITES (a.k.a., Verda Stelo Meteoritoj) This is the BIGGER IS BETTER festive occasion. And yes, mine is bigger! The Luck of the Irish! True achondrite green Mg-Fe colored Orthopyroxene space crystals, some with nice cleavage. INTRODUCING...drum roll please ... (may I try one, can you tell I'm new at this?) kindly see what's on the website and have fun, I'm inviting you see diogenites that make my dreams, and which I am now convinced do not grow on trees :-) OK, I'll calm down and man the shop. It is with great pleasure that I kneel before you, for the first time ever, to offer some premium meteorites to the list. You will see there is pot of green at the end of this rainbow! Green for you (so you don't get a pinch), and green for me, to get out of a pinch. I'll probably have a follow-up offering with different specimens, as I expect to consolidate this over the next week. Sorry I have not built a serious web site in many years for this sort of thing, so if it doesn't display properly on some browsers, please forgive me and if you could let me know privately that would be exceedingly appreciated. Best Health and May the mischievous Leprechaun come your way... (and the trolls stay under the bridge) Diogenite Doug http://www.diogenite.com (see sale link above, it is not accessible from the main page) P.S. just email me about any details if you are interested in acquiring a specimen. The site will be significantly updated with all kinds of relevant info; I am having fun building it, though I'd rather be out dining with the diogenites, so I hope you enjoy them with me. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ 5.5%* 30 year fixed mortgage rate. Good credit refinance. Up to 5 free quotes - *Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=10035url=%2fst.jsptm=ysearch =mortgage_text_links_88_h2a5ds=4056p=5117disc=yvers=910 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Saint Patrick's Day Bonanza ! SALE
Hehe, http://www.meteoritemusic.com/ http://www.media.mit.edu/hyperins/meteor/music.html Look: There exists also a meteorite opera! Tunguska Guska http://www.sibir.de/?Tunguska_Guska Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Howard Steffic Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. März 2007 12:26 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Saint Patrick's Day Bonanza ! SALE Does anyone else instantly leave a website as soon as the music starts? http://www.diogenite.com/t1.htm I find websites with music anoying. They are even showing up on ebay for crying out loud. A word to sellers: If I want to listen to music, I will turn on the radio. Music on a website = NO SALE to me. Howard Steffic From: MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Saint Patrick's Day Bonanza ! SALE Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:54:16 -0600 Dear Listees, http://www.diogenite.com/t1.htm GREEN STAR METEORITES (a.k.a., Verda Stelo Meteoritoj) This is the BIGGER IS BETTER festive occasion. And yes, mine is bigger! The Luck of the Irish! True achondrite green Mg-Fe colored Orthopyroxene space crystals, some with nice cleavage. INTRODUCING...drum roll please ... (may I try one, can you tell I'm new at this?) kindly see what's on the website and have fun, I'm inviting you see diogenites that make my dreams, and which I am now convinced do not grow on trees :-) OK, I'll calm down and man the shop. It is with great pleasure that I kneel before you, for the first time ever, to offer some premium meteorites to the list. You will see there is pot of green at the end of this rainbow! Green for you (so you don't get a pinch), and green for me, to get out of a pinch. I'll probably have a follow-up offering with different specimens, as I expect to consolidate this over the next week. Sorry I have not built a serious web site in many years for this sort of thing, so if it doesn't display properly on some browsers, please forgive me and if you could let me know privately that would be exceedingly appreciated. Best Health and May the mischievous Leprechaun come your way... (and the trolls stay under the bridge) Diogenite Doug http://www.diogenite.com (see sale link above, it is not accessible from the main page) P.S. just email me about any details if you are interested in acquiring a specimen. The site will be significantly updated with all kinds of relevant info; I am having fun building it, though I'd rather be out dining with the diogenites, so I hope you enjoy them with me. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ 5.5%* 30 year fixed mortgage rate. Good credit refinance. Up to 5 free quotes - *Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=10035url=%2fst.jsptm=ysearch =mortgage_text_links_88_h2a5ds=4056p=5117disc=yvers=910 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] View points
to the list! I don't know why Armando posted it (mistake, I think) and it's also not very important for me! I stand to that, I have written in the mail. But I have seen Martin, that you never have understand, what my point was and still is really. The goal of this list is (in my understanding) to let knowledge about meteorites and related things growth. It's not the place for personal fights or blaming. I hate, for example, the game between Mike and Matteo and also the lot of mails, which follow them, where others say, that they hate it. Same was the game with Steve a while ago. For me such fights in a public forum are childish, nothing more. So if I had to say something to this subject: I posted it directly to these persons, but not to the list. This sort of post, was it, that I send to Armando to say him, that I think in a way like he, but that a personal attack is not the way. Martin, you have attacked my view of meteorites and meteorite business directly, but you show very clearly for me, that you have absolutely missed my point: I don't have problems with the cutting of a meteorite generally. How one should make research without cutting? How to discover strange inclusions or uncommon minerals in them, without cutting? Simply not possible! I also don't have problems with the fact, that you and others (and yes, me too) make money with them, while one cut them. I have two view points on meteorites you have mixed up: 1. Personally collection view point: I like individuals and full slices more than fragments and part slices. I like slices with crust more than these without and I like fresh material more than weathered. Bigger is also better! You maybe have realized that viewpoint as you offered me an individual for my resell last year, which I didn't wanted, cause I had to cut it there for. I don't like meteorite spheres, carvings and so on. 2. Generally (or lets say more scientific) viewpoint Meteorites are rocks, so they not only have a typical mineral composition, for each class, they have a typical structure, also!! If you have two rocks with the same mineral composition, but different structures, you have two different rocks. My problems with some dealers start exactly on that point: If they begin to cut meteorites under that size, and that only for a little bit more money. As a small example lets take a lunar meteorite (lunar material is still the material, which becomes cut in very small slices, micros or what ever, caused by a very high price per gram and a big publicity, so one can make good money): Let's take DAG 400 as a classic lunar sample: DAG 400 is classified as anorthositic breccia, containing granulitic fragments, intergranularly recrystallized anorthosites and mineral fragments. How can a micro slice represent all these components? It can't! Sometimes it can be hard to cut a slice under 1 gram, which even shows completely matrix surrounded anorthositic clasts. So in smaller slices (mm size or micros) all the expressiveness (in a petrologic way) is lost. This is not the interest of science and it should surely not be the interest of a collector also. The second thing here is the cut lose, for smaller slices much more higher, so more of the material is lost for ever In this way I don't like (most of) the Chladni Cases (especially not the S sized ones)! We all know that it can happen, that a slice breaks and you get micros, but a special production of these is a different thing. Martin, you see it's not the IF you make money with meteorites, is more the HOW you make it. That's my opinion, nothing more and nothing less! Not better than yours, but surely not lesser worth than yours also! By the way, Martin! I don't know, what you mean with this: And I saw you in past of course selling small slices and cuts, also from your Moroccan exotic stones too, which you cut down. The only material from meteorites, which I have classified and sold by Ebay were OCs not very exotic! ;) The exotic stuff and also all main masses (OC or not) will remain in my collection! Hope we will have a good discussion one day, while sitting somewhere with a beer or wine!!! Best Wishes Ingo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin Altmann Gesendet: Freitag, 16. März 2007 13:30 An: 'Armando Afonso'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: all List members MikereThreatsfromMr Gregory Hi Armando, but with your view we would have to throw Founder Chladni, Schreibers (father of modern meteoritics), Brezina, Daubree, Maskelyne, Reichenbach, Ward, Fletcher, Cohen, Nininger et al. out of the pantheon of meteoritics, cause they were all such immoral looters or bought from such unethical predators, you're complaining about. Not a single one of the top 20 institutional collections of the world, wasn't built up with meteorites, acquired in that way, which you condemn to be highly unethical! (Huh, I almost
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: all List members Mike reThreatsfromMr Gregory
Hi Armando, but with your view we would have to throw Founder Chladni, Schreibers (father of modern meteoritics), Brezina, Daubree, Maskelyne, Reichenbach, Ward, Fletcher, Cohen, Nininger et al. out of the pantheon of meteoritics, cause they were all such immoral looters or bought from such unethical predators, you're complaining about. Not a single one of the top 20 institutional collections of the world, wasn't built up with meteorites, acquired in that way, which you condemn to be highly unethical! (Huh, I almost was tempted to ride the horse, what for immense treasures are assembled in the large museums of Portugal due to its colonial history). And Armando, how do you think that today science or art museums, universities, institutions are getting their stuff? They are simply buying it! Aside from a few donations (and be sure, that several meteorite dealers do donate too). Why should it be different with meteorites? The past showed, that those institutions weren't comparably successful in hunting meteorites as private expeditions were or that if they were successful the monetary expenses were much higher, than if they would have simply bought the stones either from the hunters, which are working on their own financial risk and expenses or in Morocco. The find quotas, the delivery of free material mandatory, if one wants to get a stone recognised, the expenses Antarctica or Space Flight versus buying prices, I don't have to itinerate here, as we had it a hundred times on the list here. And take the initial reason, why you are so furious about commercial dealers, which obviously was the circumstance, that Farmer bought Ourique. He's sitting on another continent, the seller was a private person, so why the heck couldn't have bought any Portuguese institution the stone from the finder? Why Farmer was able to recover months after the fall still fragments, which were scattered in windweather since Xmas around the pit in the dirt road?? Do you think, it would be of concern to the owner of the stones, to whom he sells his stone? You could have travelled also there to rescue the stones for science. What do you think would be the best solution? National laws, which declare all meteorites being property of the respective state? Would that be fair to those laypeople, who discover the stones of new falls, would that be ethical against the land owners on whose properties old and new finds were made? Who would then go on the hunt? Nobody anymore and you simply could forget continuing the situation that hundreds and thousands of new and sometimes scientifically important meteorites would be retrieved. And why the heck, do you think, that j u s t the meteorite dealers and hunters should be so moral, to enforce laws to prohibit their work? Is it their job? And if you personally feel such ethical obligations, what keeps you away from raising funds to acquire meteorites to donate them to institutions, to rescue them for science. There are big collectors, who buy from time to time nice specimens to donate them to museums ect. So get started, Armando! And Ingo please: I think like you in a way! Many dealers, who are part of this list, do look at meteorites only in a profit oriented way. They are not really interested in the material and its scientific importance. The list is only a big publicity place for them, nothing more. Stop it, we can't hear it anymore!!! My experience with those apostles blaming the dealers to destroy their stones driven by greed is, that whenever you offer to exactly those accusants an entire stone or a substantial specimen, they will answer: Who, me? Why me? Oh no no, I'm much to poor...the others should... and so on. - or, if they have the budget to buy large pieces, they ward off such more moral offers in suggesting prices below the costs of the dealers and far below the costs, they would have to pay by themselves, if they would have organized the material (but in most cases they wouldn't have been able to do so at all). Do you think the dealers wouldn't like to spare time and work in selling their treasures as complete stones? It would by so comfortable for them! And honestly, you personally are no exception to that rule. (And I saw you in past of course selling small slices and cuts, also from your Moroccan exotic stones too, which you cut down). And not to forget Ingo Armando, if there wouldn't exist those persons, who you are trying to criminalize, NOT a single piece of meteorite would be in your collections. Buckleboo. Martin PS: Armando, how are the results with the experiment with your butcher, baker...? Hi Ingo, You are right, the message was perhaps too strong. I probably would take one or two words from it, now. Patience. But I still remember the insults that I received when the discussion was with me. Many of this so-called meteorite hunters are not far from criminals (at least from a moral perspective), simply taking advantage of the absence of specific
Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Just How ...?
Hiho, one important possibility for the veterans of pre-internet times is missing :-) 12. Fairs Shows. I got my first meteorite in 1981 on the Munich show as a boy. A schoolmate's father was paleo-biologist at the Bavarian states collections, so we got free tickets. As I was highly interested in astronomy, I really was wonderstruck, that meteorites weren't locked away in scientists' labs, but that indeed one could buy them! Of course I took one. 3 weeks later I was somewhat disappointed, cause I found out, that the stone which was sold to me, was only a tektite. S I couldn't await next years' show, there I bought of course a real one! A 50gram individual of Mundrabilla from famous Walter Zeitschel, to whome I send again here my best wishes to hospital! The tektite I still have. Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Armando's yearly anti-dealer/collector rant.
I believe that most of the historical meteorites of USA were confiscated by the government, not payed for, by the way. Armando, you're misbelieving. Take e.g. Henry Ward, he made his living in 19.th century in selling artifacts and objects from the domain of science to museums (hence a classic predator according your definition), also meteorites. His personal collection was on display in the museum in New York, after his death they ,couldn't decide to take it over there, thus the Chicago museum bought it and it was the cadre for the nowadays famous meteorite collection of the Field museum. Nininger, that man, who recovered as a result of his work the most US-meteorites and bought them from the finders, was nothing else than a meteorite hunter and dealing, trying to make his day with meteorites. He had some sponsors, but he was selling his meteorites too. And guess where the largest part of his collection went to? I guess many list members here could enlighten you better about the historical acquisitions in USA. Huh, was it Brezina or Tschermak, who was almost fired from his job as curator of the Vienna collection, cause he spend to much funds in acquiring new meteorites? Take the price compilation from Cohen from the end of 19th century, take the lists from Ward. Take the Institute of polar research in Tokyo, they don't have only Antarctic meteorites, but purchased Walter Zeitschel's collection. Meteorites were always sold and bought before too. What a pity, that I didn't hear any answers fromyou on my recent mails. Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GAO's
Anyone guesses about the tkw of Gao? I learned that Carion, the master, alone brought 500kgs of Gao during the decades together. Hehe, I have also a Gao(c) oder (d) or (e), in a batch of dusty Gaos from Carion, there was one, which turned out after cutting not to be a Gao, but a different ordinary chondrite, rather an L than a H. Unfortunately it had only 10g, so it still lays around here unclassified. Btw. I personally don't like, if the crust from the more weathered and later finds are pimped to look black again. Uuuuh I saw some early Gaos, they are stunners! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Peter Marmet Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. März 2007 20:11 An: Meteoritenliste Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] GAO's Hello Bernd, Zelimir and All, don't forget Marcin Cimala's great GAO site: http://www.gao-guenie.com/ Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bonjour, Salut, Hello, Zelimir wrote: I bet you also got one Here's what I got - Please enjoy (reading about them)! Gao-ishly, Bernd 1. Gao-Guenie (H5 or H4-5): - thin section: shows fusion crust and shock veins - several (radiating) pyroxene chondrules - pyroxenes outnumber olivines. - crusted individual, two perfect chondrule pits (chondrules missing) - 2.65 g - lenticular dome-shaped frothy vesicular oriented individual, distinct rollover lip - 4.1 g - cut slice / brownish matrix / abundant metal / crust / brecciated - 8.5 g - triangular crusted individual with window showing several chondrules, one side warty - 23.26 g - showpiece purchased from Michael Cottingham: a fully crusted individual, shallow regmaglypts on one side and flight marks - 194 grams 2. Gao-Guenie (imb): Trapezoidal endcut. FeNi flakes close to stream channels preferred orientation. Delicate black veinlets traverse the melt flow. On one side there are remnants of ordinary Gao matrix texture. A few small troilite patches visible - 2.18 grams 3. Gao-Guenie (CR): Oval fragment with large chondrule that contains intrachondrule aggregates - 0.2 gram __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] all List members Mike re ThreatsfromMr Gregory
...for this guys is the potential profit, nothing else. Apart from his predator attitude... Hi Armando, Please do me a favour. I want you to today to tell this phrase into the face of your baker, your butcher, your doctor, your dentist, your barber, your newspaperman, your greengrocer... Tomorrow you can practise at the post office, at the bank and in the supermarket. I have no idea, where you take the chutzpah from, to call in from a meteorite dealer much higher ethical and moral standards, than from all retailers and service providers, from whose you get your products and services day by day (who often have a ways more easier job than a meteorite dealer or hunter). And please be so kind to report your experiences here to the list! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Armando Afonso Gesendet: Samstag, 10. März 2007 23:12 An: Michael L Blood; Michael Farmer; Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] all List members Mike re ThreatsfromMr Gregory Dear friends, From time to time, I take the time and patience to read what is happening in this list. Invariably, Mike Farmer is exchanging insults with someone... If this list was something near neutrality, this gentleman would have been banned long, long ago... Anyway, from a certain distance, this fights can be very amusing, too. Pitty that the only interest of the meteorites for this guys is the potential profit, nothing else. Apart from his predator attitude, arrogance, irritability and scientific ignorance, what are his atributes? AA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected Meteorite Hits Illinois Home
Shhht. Martin, the clairevoyant has a vision: I see 51.8ppm. Ga, 161ppm. Ge, 0.029ppm. Ir But my crystal ball got opaque, before I could read thee ebay-ID of the neighbour Martin Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Jason Utas Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. März 2007 23:54 An: Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected Meteorite Hits Illinois Home Hello Ken, All, That looks nothing like a fresh iron meteorite. Fusion crust? That looks more like rust, and nevermind those shallow indentations that are being called regmaglypts - if you want to see what a fresh iron looks like, take out a Sikhote or Taza - or draw up some pics of any other falls around in museums. The jagged edges as well...come on - you'd only get those with a multiple-fall, and in order for one of those, you'd need a sizable fireball to accompany its entry. This one looks like a rusty piece of crap - much worse than the NJ object, and that one was complete rubbish to start out with. Regards, Jason __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Could Venus Watch For Earth-Bound Asteroids?
But the space telescope is estimated to cost $1.1 billion for 15 years of operation Hmm, what does cost a F-22 and a B2 Spirit? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Ron Baalke Gesendet: Freitag, 9. März 2007 22:50 An: Meteorite Mailing List Betreff: [meteorite-list] Could Venus Watch For Earth-Bound Asteroids? http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn11356-could-venus-watch-for-earthbou nd-asteroids.html Could Venus watch for Earth-bound asteroids? David L Chandler New Scientist 09 March 2007 A dedicated space-based telescope is needed to achieve a congressionally mandated goal of discovering 90% of all near-Earth asteroids down to a size of 140 metres by the year 2020, says a report NASA sent to the US Congress on Thursday. Asteroids of that size are large enough to destroy a major city or region if they strike the planet - but NASA says it does not have the money to pay for the project. The study says Venus is the best place for the telescope. That is because space rocks within Earth's orbit - where Venus lies - are most likely to be lost in the Sun's glare, potentially catching astronomers off guard. The telescope could be placed either behind or ahead of Venus in its orbit by about 60° - the stable Lagrange points, known as L4 or L5, where the gravity of the Sun and Venus are in balance. There are quite a few [objects] that are interior to Earth's orbit, NASA's Lindley Johnson told New Scientist. Those are really hard to detect [from Earth]; the opportunities to see them are very limited. From the orbit of Venus, however, you're always looking away from the Sun, always looking out, he says. And, of course, you can observe 24 hours a day - you don't have to worry about night and day. Even from Earth orbit, a telescope's view of any given part of the sky is blocked about half the time by the Earth itself. In addition, because Venus orbits the Sun in about two-thirds the time the Earth does, a telescope in that orbit would catch up with any near-Earth asteroids in their orbits more frequently than Earth does, offering more opportunities for discovery. You're able to sample that population more rapidly in the same amount of time, Johnson says. Missed deadline An infrared telescope would be more effective than one that studies visible light, because asteroids reflect sunlight more strongly at infrared wavelengths. The background sky is also much less bright in the infrared, providing better contrast for discovering even small, faint asteroids. With the Venus-orbit IR telescope, NASA could exceed its goal by three years, finding 90% of the most dangerous space rocks by 2017. But the space telescope is estimated to cost $1.1 billion for 15 years of operation, and NASA says there is currently no money in its budget to pursue any of the search proposals it studied. That means it would take until at least 2026 to achieve its goal - and that is assuming a large telescope in Chile called the LSST (Large Synoptic Survey Telescope) is completed. But the LSST, which would be funded through the National Science Foundation, itself has not had final approval (see Unique wide-field telescope will make 'sky movies' http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn9200-unique-widefield-telescope-wil l-make-sky-movies.html). Without the LSST, as well, the goal would slip beyond 2030. Former Apollo astronaut Rusty Schweickart says NASA's analysis was a good examination of the options, and showed that the space option ... is most effective in dealing with the danger of an unexpected impact. But Schweickart says NASA failed to deliver on an additional analysis that Congress had asked for, which included an examination of the relative merits of different proposals for deflecting an asteroid found to be on a collision course with Earth. [NASA] did nothing, they declined to respond. That's pretty disappointing, Schweickart told New Scientist. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Pallasites/Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - March 9, 2007
Imilac ist he best. Bought an untreated slice from Zeitschel (carry on sending him wishes to hospital!) as a boy, had it 20 years open in the shelf, no box, nor case, no desiccants, no coating or varnish, no oil. - and we have humid and sweltry summers with large and sudden variations of temperature (and I had a high humidity there, many indoor plants) No rust at all, not even a duller spot visible with magnifier. Another Imilac-slice I had with Huss number, unrestored and it was not only looking perfectly like on the day, when Huss painted his number on the edge, but it was looking like polished yesterday. And Imilac is on average 40% cheaper than Esquel. No, this is no AD, I haven't any for sale. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von ensoramanda Gesendet: Freitag, 9. März 2007 12:33 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Pallasites/Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - March 9, 2007 Hi Esquel...still probably the most beautiful of them all! Great picture. Whilst at the Tucson show and looking at various special pieces to trade for my collection I discussed pallasites with many dealers and visitors but nearly always got slightly conflicting views as to the stability of those available...and so still did not get that elusive 'star' to bring back to the UK. The damp climate here is not very good for meteorites as you are all aware...and I know to my cost that some meteorites will rust even when looked after (my Brahin is just a pile of rust and olivine now)...you learn as you go along. Some say they have found ways of treating the rusters so that they are stable...others say that they still rust. Lots of varying info on the list over the years too...is Esquel still the best? What seems to be the groing rate/g for the better pallasites (I know I could find out by scouring all the websites, but feeling lazy I thought someone in the know might have the info at hand) I am looking for a spectacular centrepiece, that will stand up to the British climate and will stand handling/being permanently on show. Any advice most welcome. Graham Ensor, Nr Barwell UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.spacerocksinc.com/March_9.html BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Pallasites/Rocks FromSpacePicture of the Day - March 9, 2007
How can we judge the long-term stability of Seymchan, if it's available not longer than 2-3 years? (When the Russian Hunter Tzars brought it first to market? Denver 2005 or 2004?). Imilac is as stable as wood. I love it! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Ingo Herkstroeter Gesendet: Freitag, 9. März 2007 14:08 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Pallasites/Rocks FromSpacePicture of the Day - March 9, 2007 Graham, Mike and List! Seymchan is very stable. I bought a piece last year on ebay and sliced it. The material doesn't rust, although it isn't oiled or lacquer sealed and the northern part of Germany isn't a good place for meteorites too. For me Seymchan has the same quality as classic pallasites like Imilac or Esquel (some times it also looks better, caused by a lot of nice features) and is much more cheaper. Happy (Ebay)hunting! Ingo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von tett Gesendet: Freitag, 9. März 2007 13:11 An: ensoramanda; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Pallasites/Rocks From SpacePicture of the Day - March 9, 2007 Graham, I doubt you could go wrong with Esquel except the price is really high. Imilac slices are also I won't touch Brahin any more as I have had too many bad experiences. I have heard of bad things about Brenham as well but the new finds from Steve Arnold may be different. What I have heard is that Seymchan is stable. There is a variety of slices on the market some look good and others look poorer in quality. I just picked up a slice on eBay from Ataxite (not sure if this person is a list member) and I am thrilled. Low cost and more beautiful than I expected. Fantastic finish with transparent olivine. Much of the olivine is a beautiful yellow with some green. looks perfectly stable with no signs of rust. All the metal is polished to a mirror finish. I don't know what it will look like a year from now but I am confident it will remain beautiful. For cost and reputation I believe Seymchan is the way to go. Just take your time to find one of the higher quality pieces. Cheers Mike Tettenborn From frigid Ontario Canada. Yesterday it was -26C - Original Message - From: ensoramanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Pallasites/Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - March 9, 2007 Hi Esquel...still probably the most beautiful of them all! Great picture. Whilst at the Tucson show and looking at various special pieces to trade for my collection I discussed pallasites with many dealers and visitors but nearly always got slightly conflicting views as to the stability of those available...and so still did not get that elusive 'star' to bring back to the UK. The damp climate here is not very good for meteorites as you are all aware...and I know to my cost that some meteorites will rust even when looked after (my Brahin is just a pile of rust and olivine now)...you learn as you go along. Some say they have found ways of treating the rusters so that they are stable...others say that they still rust. Lots of varying info on the list over the years too...is Esquel still the best? What seems to be the groing rate/g for the better pallasites (I know I could find out by scouring all the websites, but feeling lazy I thought someone in the know might have the info at hand) I am looking for a spectacular centrepiece, that will stand up to the British climate and will stand handling/being permanently on show. Any advice most welcome. Graham Ensor, Nr Barwell UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.spacerocksinc.com/March_9.html BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected Meteorite Hits Illinois Home
Hmm, I'm not convinced Looks like a Sikhote-shrapnel. It is always suspicious with such stories, that there are falling always iron meteorites. Those happy home owners, also in NJ, should have taken the time to look around on dealers and informational websites about the ratio stone- vs iron-falls and not solely getting their ideas from ebay. The meteorites, which felt most often must be Campo and Sikhote, simply because they are the cheapest to acquire. I'm waiting for the first Mekong-River-Iron-househitter... Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Darren Garrison Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. März 2007 02:04 An: Meteorite Mailing List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected Meteorite Hits Illinois Home On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:04:19 -0600, you wrote: (Where'd you find the additional pictures?) Here's the photo gallery http://www.pantagraph.com/shared-content/gallery/?galleryid=4gallery_page=0 album_page=0albumid=71mediaid=1601 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Exciting Desert Delicacies - pictures
Dear List, We would like to share a few photos of interesting desert finds with you, which we acquired during the last months in Morocco, and which are worth being looked at in our opinion. Unfortunately, we hadn't time yet to prepare the pieces for the classification, but we'll send samples of these pieces as soon as possible to the lab. Enjoy the pictures. A very strange meteorite of only about 25g which is probably a carbonaceous chondrite. But at the moment we have no idea which exact type of a c-chondrite it might be. Because of the very dark colouring and the relative softness, it could be a CM or maybe a metamorphosed c-chondrite. Only on a polished surface one can see a few, very small round objects (chondrules?) which are as dark as the surrounding matrix. By the way this meteorite was offered as a possible CI chondrite in Morocco, and in spite of the high price we couldn't resist to buy it. This meteorite is perhaps a very interesting study material. http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/carbonaceous.jpg This achondrite looks very similar to the Agoult eucrite at the first view. But it was a little surprise to see the interior after cutting. Beside the Agoult-typical matrix is a different lithology found, which is more coarser grained. http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/achondrite2.jpg The following meteorite is very nicely oriented and has a typical button shape. The interior explodes of tiniest metal flakes, but chondrules are completely absent and if it won't turn out to be an enstatite chondrite of a high grade, then it will be certainly a very uncommon type of high interest. http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/iron-rich.jpg Last but not least for those, who hadn't the opportunity to visit our room in Tucson, here another picture of the 606g lunaite, which - without wanting to anticipate the classification - seems to be a piece of the fresh graulitic impactite NWA 3163/4483. It isn't a new find, the existence of that piece was known since end of 2005. But for several reasons it was very difficult to get. http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/lunar-606g.jpg Best wishes, Chladni's Heirs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Not Proud of Tom
I, personally, found the Meteorite Blog a sewer and was highly offended that someone was making obscene posts to it using my name. I immediately stopped going there - this was about 2 hrs into its existence. For all I know it is still going strong. I don't know - I don't care. But this blog you could visit, From the Blue Ice by ANSMET: http://www.humanedgetech.com/expedition/ansmet2/ Another Antarctic blog: http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/antarctica/ Australian meteorite hunt blog: http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/meteorite-blog/?p=108 Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hmmers
Take rather these hammer products http://www.impaktstrukturen.de/origi/120.jpg (soon we'll have longer and nicer ones). Shocked fossils from the Ries impact. If you do so, I promise to try my best to chuck a Kilabo on the roof of my hut... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Michael L Blood Gesendet: Montag, 5. März 2007 23:03 An: Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hmmers Greetings all, I have come across many falls (such as Kilabo) where a fall is reported to occur throughout a villiage, with many stones recovered, yet none are reported to hit a hut, shed, house, or the like. (In the instance of Kilabo, it is reported to have fallen in 5 different villages). There MUST be a hammer or two whenever there are dozens of recoveries in a village. For instance, I have nine different hammers from Park Forest. Does anyone know how it can be that entire villages are pelted and not one hammer is included in the report? Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Walter Zeitschel - bad news
Dear list members, I have to report some bad news concerning Walter Zeitschel. A few days ago he had an accident, felt down and broke his leg, the neck of femur. The surgery went well, additionally he received a hip prosthesis, but it's not sure if he will recover his mobility again, which was limited already before. For those, who don't know him in person: Walter Zeitschel was one of the greatest collector personages of the 20th century, owning once the largest private meteorite collection of the world. - once I had his copy of the Hays-catalogue and it was unbelievable to see, behind which and behind how many locales he marked with a dot, that they are found in his collection. Bernd got his first meteorite from him, me too - and I guess you won't find any pre-internet collector in Europe, who hasn't Zeitschel-specimens in his collection. All of us cherish Walter for his humour and as inexhaustible source of meteorite stories. As he has no internet access at hospital and his wife Niki doesn't know so well to use a computer and really is stricken by other sorrow now, you can't contact Walter by email for the next 2 months. So please send your get-well wishes to Michael Hofmann: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He will print them out and will deliver them to Walter, when he will visit him in hospital these days. And to avoid this post getting a style of an obituary: Walter with his energy feels already - despite the pains - very bored in hospital. Thus send him meteoritical news, scoops, articles via the given address! Martin Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List rules re ads
Humm. I think the once-per-week-rule is a gentlemen's agreement. Well, and some are gentlemen, some less... Time for a Buckleboo Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Art
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[meteorite-list] more art
http://www.guenter-pilger.de/media/XXL/oeffner.htm?GK34 http://kuerzer.de/Thomas_Stricker http://www.rolfbergmeier.de/oelah/oelah_f2.html http://egc.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/meteorit_5.jpg http://www.brunner-petzold.de/?p=meteorit08 http://www.europosparkas.lt/English/pedvale_im.htm http://cruisediva.net/glory_pic_37.JPG http://www.sculpture.org/sculpture_pics/1001776.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/billpaid/97200817/ http://www.a2of.com/Bruce_Butler/images/flaming_meteorite250.jpg http://ymages.com/galerie/Pierre/image/meteorite_9814.jpg www.aejv.com/sno-meteorite.htm http://www.kaapeli.fi/krohn/pereat/pics/meteorit.jpg www.seiler-pianos.de/eng/customized/meteorit.htm http://www.berlinerkunstsalon.de/kunstsalon2006/observatorium/meteorit.jpg http://www.lhconklin.com/images/publications/sowerby/sowerby.jpg www.hmag.gla.ac.uk/john/huntmin/hposs.htm http://kuerzer.de/bbb www.charlottestreet.org/.../2006/wrinkle10.html www.vanessabriggs.com/black-painting.php http://www.willbryson.co.uk/images/drawings/scanpainting16.jpg http://www.mirandasbeach.com/paintings/etchings/imagepages/meteorite1.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW LUNAR monzogabbro meteorite looks like aShergottite
Hi Rob,
.. Meteorites have, at least the potential to come from
deeper than the long weathered surface materials
brought back by the Apollo crews. This all makes sense
to me, if it is a confirmed discovery.
You're right Rob,
For example the pairing group around Dho 310-breccias has some spinel,
indicating that those parts of the breccia stem from the deeper lunar crust
(20km), see here:
http://www.meteorites.ru/menu/publication-e/demidova-ms2003-e.pdf
Or take the fresher granulite NWA 3163/4483, which is suggested to be a
crustal rock, practically not sampled by the Apollo missions:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2006/pdf/1365.pdf
Best
Martin
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Rob
McCafferty
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007 23:10
An: gipometeorites; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NEW LUNAR monzogabbro meteorite looks like
aShergottite
I am not going to claim any authority in the area of
geology but I will claim a good experience of
Anorthosite, a principle constituent of the lunar
surface. The Isle of Harris, the next island down from
me [is actually connected to my island, Lewis, by a
land bridge] has an entire mountain made from the
stuff, despite it's rare nature and I've collected
plenty of it to decorate my garden.
It weathers by ice and abrasion to the same gorgeous
white colour of the genesis rock brought back by the
Apollo 15 crew. This is not surprising since their
rock was weathered on the outside too, but that stone
was impact weathered only.
Inside the rocks from harris they are remarkably
crystaline, quite grey in appearance and U took the
liberty of borrowing a lathe[?] to polish a small
section of a chunk i rather brutally chipped off with
a chisel. Apart from the colour, it looks very like a
piece of SAU008/005, a shergottite.
In all honesty and with hindsight, it does not
surprise me that a lunar meteorite may well look like
a martian one.
Anorthosite I believe, is a plutonic rock and since
most of the white part of the moon is made from it,
the only surpise to me, after thinking about it, is
that one that looks like a shergottite has not been
discovered before.
I suggest that aeons of impacts on the moon do not
leave big enough chunks near the surface to preserve
the structure of the rock and that is why we haven't
seen one before. Having said that, we've only really
been looking for a few years.
Meteorites have, at least the potential to come from
deeper than the long weathered surface materials
brought back by the Apollo crews. This all makes sense
to me, if it is a confirmed discovery.
In a differentiated body the size of the moon and
mars, I think, in retrospect, we should not be
surprised at all.
Obviously, if this turns out to be a hoax, I absolve
myself of all I have said here on the grounds that I
have never heard of monzogabbro before. Gabbro is just
a feldspar with less than 60% or is it 40%[?]
anorthosite. What the frip does monzo mean? I thought
he was a character in the muppet show.
Rob McC
{the man with a million tons of fake moon rock}
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Re: [meteorite-list] updates and clarifications on trade
Hi Steve, your collection has such a quick throughput and speed-of-light-fluctuation, wouldn't it be more suitable just to buy a season ticket of the Field museum? It has the 7th largest meteorite collection. Here you can download their catalogue: http://www.fieldmuseum.org/research_Collections/geology/meteor_col.pdf Would be easier for your wallet, the nerves of your wife (and, I guess, some list members too). Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von steve arnold Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007 12:25 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] updates and clarifications on trade Hi list.It seems some people have the wrong notions which I am asking in trades.Nothing on my main collection page is forsale or trade.It is on my primary collection.Where the pics are.The only things that will not be traded,like I said,are a few items.They are,NWA 1766,TITOLAR, and EL AROUSS.Everthing else on there is for trade for GAO Individuals.And please refrain form making fun of my typing practices.I know it is not always the best.None of you are perfect.You can view under CHICAGOMETEORITES.NET.Thanks for looking and pleae get me to me off-list. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendlywarning tohunters
The robbed that smiles steals something from the thief, He robs himself that spends a bootless grief. Humm. Go to ebay. Search for baseball card*. Sort by Price: highest first. There I learn, that my wisdom is much to small, to create a real hype with our boxes Also all the best for you! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bill Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2007 01:56 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendlywarning tohunters Martin, Thanks for pointing that out. I'm happy that my comment allowed you yet another opportunity to boast of your wealth and display your wisdom. I appreciate the offer of lunar material. Is that a special offer just for me :)? I expect a hefty discount especially on the KREEP as it's been suggested that I have been pre-approved. How many Mars face cards come with this KREEPy offer? Wishing you health to go with all your other fine attributes, Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] BoldHefty: ALH84001 from NASA offered on ebay....
Friend Lutz found just that auction on ebay: http://kuerzer.de/gosh good ol' collectors cube __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters
Yep, sometimes it might be better not to destroy illusions. How to act e.g. in that case here? http://www.thailandguru.com/leisure-day-nakhon-phanom-chedi.html Well, if you click on the photo-link on that part of the description of that shrine - well, the pictured stones aren't looking very promising. There were some large iron meteorites associated with the chedi. Since I know meteorites well from my professional work in the U.S. space program, I can confirm that yes, those are in fact large iron meteorites on display in the museum. (photo) It's also been said that meteorite iron was used to make some artifacts. (Actually, iron meteors consist of an iron-nickel-cobalt alloy, and are not pure iron http://www.thailandguru.com/phanom-chedi-meteorites.jpg Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bill Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2007 08:56 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:50:30 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters Martin, I read the thread completely. The fellow is new and only overreacted after being scoffed at repeatedly. The met-list shouldn't be a place for a selected few. Imagine how much information is lost when meek people sign up prepared to contribute and leave in terror upon seeing these witch hunts. I have personally dealt with people like this. People who came here but were too intimidated to speak up. Imagine! They actually preferred to talk to me than the self proclaimed heirs. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:08:41 +0100 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters Yah, Bill, they tickle him a bit, to provoke an unfriendly warning (which would be interesting to read). Impressive! http://www.well.com/~dreyer/All_htmpix/htm21_35/Img22.html from there stems that one: http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/photos/tambo.jpg Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bill Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2007 06:46 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters What the hell is wrong with you people, list members? Enough already. Are you all so full of yourselves that you have to pursue a new witch hunt on a regular basis? I don't see this guy spamming after he was threatened with his life by Mike. C'mon. How freaking ignorant was that? Uncalled for Mike. No excuses for that one. If those that need a goat are so bored as to jump this man, they need to get off their asses and find another interest. Let it go. Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ONE-CLICK WEBMAIL ACCESS - Easily monitor access your email accounts! Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters
And that one, well, I leave it to Pierre-Marie Pelé... http://www.sens-de-la-vie.com/meteorite/story.htm -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bill Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2007 08:56 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:50:30 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters Martin, I read the thread completely. The fellow is new and only overreacted after being scoffed at repeatedly. The met-list shouldn't be a place for a selected few. Imagine how much information is lost when meek people sign up prepared to contribute and leave in terror upon seeing these witch hunts. I have personally dealt with people like this. People who came here but were too intimidated to speak up. Imagine! They actually preferred to talk to me than the self proclaimed heirs. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:08:41 +0100 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters Yah, Bill, they tickle him a bit, to provoke an unfriendly warning (which would be interesting to read). Impressive! http://www.well.com/~dreyer/All_htmpix/htm21_35/Img22.html from there stems that one: http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/photos/tambo.jpg Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bill Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2007 06:46 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters What the hell is wrong with you people, list members? Enough already. Are you all so full of yourselves that you have to pursue a new witch hunt on a regular basis? I don't see this guy spamming after he was threatened with his life by Mike. C'mon. How freaking ignorant was that? Uncalled for Mike. No excuses for that one. If those that need a goat are so bored as to jump this man, they need to get off their asses and find another interest. Let it go. Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ONE-CLICK WEBMAIL ACCESS - Easily monitor access your email accounts! Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters
In as far, as you recommended that the list members shouldn't dispirit people, who plead with great enthusiasm for recoveries, which most probably aren't that meteoritic as they suppose. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bill Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2007 09:57 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters Someone please explain how this relates to my initial comment! Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:33:00 +0100 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters And that one, well, I leave it to Pierre-Marie Pelé... http://www.sens-de-la-vie.com/meteorite/story.htm -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bill Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2007 08:56 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:50:30 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters Martin, I read the thread completely. The fellow is new and only overreacted after being scoffed at repeatedly. The met-list shouldn't be a place for a selected few. Imagine how much information is lost when meek people sign up prepared to contribute and leave in terror upon seeing these witch hunts. I have personally dealt with people like this. People who came here but were too intimidated to speak up. Imagine! They actually preferred to talk to me than the self proclaimed heirs. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:08:41 +0100 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters Yah, Bill, they tickle him a bit, to provoke an unfriendly warning (which would be interesting to read). Impressive! http://www.well.com/~dreyer/All_htmpix/htm21_35/Img22.html from there stems that one: http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/photos/tambo.jpg Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bill Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2007 06:46 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters What the hell is wrong with you people, list members? Enough already. Are you all so full of yourselves that you have to pursue a new witch hunt on a regular basis? I don't see this guy spamming after he was threatened with his life by Mike. C'mon. How freaking ignorant was that? Uncalled for Mike. No excuses for that one. If those that need a goat are so bored as to jump this man, they need to get off their asses and find another interest. Let it go. Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ONE-CLICK WEBMAIL ACCESS - Easily monitor access your email accounts! Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters
Yep, I'll do so. But they are different from the good ol' Bessey specks (and more affordable). They do have a weight and into that hole in the inlay cards fit thin slices up to 0.2g. Of course the MoonMars cases aren't satisfying for you, but especially for you, we hold in readiness a complete stone of NWA 4483 with some nice melt bulges on the exterior, has 42 grams and if that one wouldn't be sufficient for the usual weight range of your collection's specimen, we have one more paired stone, to be classified soon, of 600g. If this type of Moon is to common for your requirements, there we could help you with the main mass of the largest KREEP in private hands and we are glad to hear your offers and to come to terms with you. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2007 09:51 An: Martin Altmann Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters Yep, Don't forget to seperate illusions from delusions or is that what was attempted. I'd like to think that the list has a better heart than was demonstrated recently. Sell your plastic Mars cases, hyped up versions of Bessey specks. In the mean time, please stop and consider the common folk that read here. After all, these are a good part of the market you are trying to cultivate. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:23:29 +0100 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters Yep, sometimes it might be better not to destroy illusions. How to act e.g. in that case here? http://www.thailandguru.com/leisure-day-nakhon-phanom-chedi.html Well, if you click on the photo-link on that part of the description of that shrine - well, the pictured stones aren't looking very promising. There were some large iron meteorites associated with the chedi. Since I know meteorites well from my professional work in the U.S. space program, I can confirm that yes, those are in fact large iron meteorites on display in the museum. (photo) It's also been said that meteorite iron was used to make some artifacts. (Actually, iron meteors consist of an iron-nickel-cobalt alloy, and are not pure iron http://www.thailandguru.com/phanom-chedi-meteorites.jpg Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bill Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2007 08:56 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:50:30 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters Martin, I read the thread completely. The fellow is new and only overreacted after being scoffed at repeatedly. The met-list shouldn't be a place for a selected few. Imagine how much information is lost when meek people sign up prepared to contribute and leave in terror upon seeing these witch hunts. I have personally dealt with people like this. People who came here but were too intimidated to speak up. Imagine! They actually preferred to talk to me than the self proclaimed heirs. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:08:41 +0100 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters Yah, Bill, they tickle him a bit, to provoke an unfriendly warning (which would be interesting to read). Impressive! http://www.well.com/~dreyer/All_htmpix/htm21_35/Img22.html from there stems that one: http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/photos/tambo.jpg Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bill Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2007 06:46 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters What the hell is wrong with you people, list members? Enough already. Are you all so full of yourselves that you have to pursue a new witch hunt on a regular basis? I don't see this guy spamming after he was threatened with his life by Mike. C'mon. How freaking ignorant was that? Uncalled for Mike. No excuses for that one. If those that need a goat are so bored as to jump this man, they need to get off their asses and find another interest. Let it go. Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters
Yah, Bill, they tickle him a bit, to provoke an unfriendly warning (which would be interesting to read). Impressive! http://www.well.com/~dreyer/All_htmpix/htm21_35/Img22.html from there stems that one: http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/photos/tambo.jpg Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bill Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2007 06:46 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters What the hell is wrong with you people, list members? Enough already. Are you all so full of yourselves that you have to pursue a new witch hunt on a regular basis? I don't see this guy spamming after he was threatened with his life by Mike. C'mon. How freaking ignorant was that? Uncalled for Mike. No excuses for that one. If those that need a goat are so bored as to jump this man, they need to get off their asses and find another interest. Let it go. Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hambleton Pallasite - reprise
Yep only 5 emails about that sensational find in the archives -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Harris Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Februar 2007 18:22 An: metlist Betreff: [meteorite-list] Hambleton Pallasite - reprise Folks ...just an observation a couple of weeks ago I mentioned a very significant find in the UK by Rob Elliott re the Hambleton Pallasite - d'you know I had 2, maybe 3 emails on the subject? One to diss it and the other to buy some. No thread, no discussion, nada, bupkiss,nowt... You guys have been going on about Holbrook as if it was the most important thing in the world and also on and on about this speculative Peru fall - isn t this all a bit parochial? Is the Hambleton pallasite really that boring? Maybe you all know about it already and I'm just slow to get on the boat - that is quite possible too. We seem to get stuck in a rut and go on and on and on about it - and important finds, if they occur outside the US are of no interest whatsoever unless someone can get to the location and make a buck out of it. Are you really not interested in what is probably the most important meteorite find/fall in the UK by one of the world's top dealers? Seems this list is only interested if it anything to do with a USA fall/find - even if it is a common place L6. That is my perspective and opinion - and possibly incorrect - but I have seen days and days of stuff on Holbrook, Venus meteorites and so on. Sorry if this seems a bit of a rant, it's not meant to be, just an observation, but from here in little itty-bitty UK (51st state of America), I am surprised that no one had any real questions regarding this fantastic find. Thanks for your attention - please refrain from flaming me! ciao! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Finally 1st Chladni MARS Case - get theveryfirst box crafted. Soon a historical collectible!
Hi Ed, I don't think that this Chladni chip will end up on some child's bureau, but one never knows... We will see, if you check the prices of toys from the meanwhile classic brands, you'll be astonished, how expensive they are meanwhile or what for disappointing small items you'll get for the price of a Moon case. Parents will confirm... Here the market leaders (note than the theme space isn't en vogue anymore. If I remember 20, 30 years back - all those brands had thematic series with Moon, astronauts etc. - if I would be the NASA marketing boss, I'd know, where to spend some bucks...): www.mattel.com (Barbie, Fisher Price...) www.lego.com/en-US/default.aspx www.playmobil.com/index.html Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von E.P. Grondine Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Februar 2007 04:29 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Finally 1st Chladni MARS Case - get theveryfirst box crafted. Soon a historical collectible! Hi Martin - I am really enjoying the Chladni Chip of the moon which I bought from you in Tucson. Thank you very much! A warning to whoever gets this one - I was showing the chip at a nearby bar the other evening, and an acquaintanc opened the casket before I could stop him. Luckily the he didn't loose the chip, but instead put it back in the box after touching it and looking at it very closely. Whew! I don't think that this Chladni chip will end up on some child's bureau, but one never knows... good hunting, Ed --- Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Super marketing ploy, Martin, Super salesmanship! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Finally 1st Chladni MARS Case - get the veryfirst box crafted. Soon a historical collectible! Good day list! Amazing news. While Chladni's Moon cases began their triumphant success around the globe, and the house was brought down, when we introduced them in Tucson, a lot of collectors and retailers expressed their badly needs to get this high quality presentation for Martian material. Here you are: We started to issue now series of Chladni Cases with the classical shergottite Dag 735. This ebay-auction now is somewhat special: You'll obtain nothing else than the very first example of our Martian Cases and all Mars series, which will be produced in future. It is the Chladni Mars Case N°1 - and you'll receive a certificate, that this case is the ancestral case of all which will have followed, hence a collectible for its own. Find it here: http://kuerzer.de/1stMarscase (Item number: 230095652582) Shipping is 3$. Good luck! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Finally 1st Chladni MARS Case - get thevery first box crafted. Soon a historical collectible!
Hi Mark, be ensured, that the used samples are more than specks or cutting dust. We offer them in 4 different specimen sizes: XS, S, M, L. Really almost all enclosed pieces aren't just fragments or crumbs, but show cut surfaces, hence they are, if you want, true partslices. And often, if I look at the Moons, one is able to see with unaided eye some details like e.g. a shock veinlet. So they aren't just unidentifiable gimmicks. Additional we offer for those, who felt in love with the presentation, boxed slices by weight, where the size limit is given by the diameter of the spare hole in the inlay card. As you see, it's the democratization of the Moon, as now also the small collector has the possibility to choose a significant sample from a variety of sizes to that extend, which his budget will allow. And of course it goes without saying, that for advanced collectors like you (although several of the veterans felt in love with our cases), we hold ready partslices smaller and larger than 1 gram up to fullslices reaching the largest possible diameter of the main mass stone. So feel free to ask for such a specimen and, if we will find a similar case in a suitable dimension, we will craft you a giant Chladni Case with a nice fullslice! Martin PS: I haven't sold in ebay for years - I have no idea, why our Chladni case does not appear among the newly listed auctions in the meteorite category, why no result is found, if searched after any word from the title! But if I search for a word from the title and mark additionally search title description - than it appears. Also if I enter the item number. But not, if I search for the seller - pardelmops - then no items for sale are shown. HELP! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: mark ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Februar 2007 09:52 An: Martin Altmann; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] AD: Finally 1st Chladni MARS Case - get thevery first box crafted. Soon a historical collectible! I think it's a great idea, this is what is missing in a lot of meteorite collections these days - good presentation, a good mount or display can make a dull sometimes worthless speck into something to really inspire people!, that is a GOOD THING. Best, Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Finally 1st Chladni MARS Case - get the very first box crafted. Soon a historical collectible!
Good day list! Amazing news. While Chladnis Moon cases began their triumphant success around the globe, and the house was brought down, when we introduced them in Tucson, a lot of collectors and retailers expressed their badly needs to get this high quality presentation for Martian material. Here you are: We started to issue now series of Chladni Cases with the classical shergottite Dag 735. This ebay-auction now is somewhat special: Youll obtain nothing else than the very first example of our Martian Cases and all Mars series, which will be produced in future. It is the Chladni Mars Case N°1 and youll receive a certificate, that this case is the ancestral case of all which will have followed, hence a collectible for its own. Find it here: http://kuerzer.de/1stMarscase (Item number: 230095652582) Shipping is 3$. Good luck! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Finally 1st Chladni MARS Case - get the very first box crafted. Soon a historical collectible!
Be sure, that there will (and already are) Mars cases with other pictures. Here 2 more examples: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/chladnicase-mars1.jpg http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/chladnicase-mars3.jpg As always Stefan demonstrated his great abilities as designer. I remember, for Tucson we tinkered extra-patriotic ones - astronaut on Moon with huge Stars-n-Stripes-flag, those went best, but are not helpful for selling to Middle East... Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Februar 2007 04:36 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] AD: Finally 1st Chladni MARS Case - get the very first box crafted. Soon a historical collectible! I'm not a fan of marketing gimmicks and this one is particularly offensive. The dressed up image of the face on Mars is nothing short of ignorant misinformation. Bad idea. Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] real men meteorites
http://www.goldprospectors.org/magazine/archive_images/meteorite.jpg :-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites
But there it would be to cold, to expose my belly Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Sterling K. Webb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Februar 2007 20:36 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites Hi, Martin, List, If you dream about dragging away big meteorites through a frosty landscape, take a look at this video (despite the low quality): http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent/meteorites/media/real/capeyork.ram (It requires the use of Real Player exclusively.) Hauling off AHNIGHITO The Tent (as well as The Dog and The Woman. Now, THAT'S a piece of heavy lifting! Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:31 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites http://www.goldprospectors.org/magazine/archive_images/meteorite.jpg :-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites
Old Woman, California 2753kg IIB -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Februar 2007 23:04 An: Martin Altmann Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites Martin, Which meteorite is that in the real men and meteorites photo? Thanks, Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:57:48 +0100 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites But there it would be to cold, to expose my belly Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites
Old Woman. Here a small article, where I stole the pic http://www.goldprospectors.org/magazine/subsection.asp?article=3SID=1 Best Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Februar 2007 23:04 An: Martin Altmann Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites Martin, Which meteorite is that in the real men and meteorites photo? Thanks, Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:57:48 +0100 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites But there it would be to cold, to expose my belly Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
But how did that Canyon Diablo found its way to Oregon?? Buckleboo! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Norm Lehrman Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Februar 2007 23:11 An: Mike Fowler; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Mike Fowler Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay Mike all, That did look like a winner, but too bad about the crumby documentation. The seller didn't seem very interested in providing anything but platitudes. The caliche crusts were right for eastern Oregon. Cheers, Norm --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, Did any of you see this meteorite on ebay? 23 oz sold for $1026 to peterutas. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200077988565 I bid, but not that much. Mike Fowler Chicago ebay--starsandrocks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Clepto Convention at TUCSON...
Well Zep, although Im lying in bed in Tucson with the Uruquay-Influenza (Hans, Ill gona be famous to have it brought to Europe), I really want to miss my 1st-Tucson-experience. It IS indeed the Mekka of stones, 40 different shows going on parallely, if then some not yet cleared circumstances at one single event will keep you from visiting Tucson nobody can help you. Not only that its most probably the most important event to catch sight of novelties concerning desert material and not to forget the real show- and masterpieces of historical specimens, which you wont find to such an extend at the Old-World-Shows, but it is the people, collectors, hunters, dealers likewise - the meteorite community which makes that event to an extraordinary highlight in the meteorite calendar! I want to express my warmest thanks to all of them, who made my first visit to an extraordinary experience, to list you all by name would be to long. He, Zep, aside from the fact, that we all want our specimens for free, I guess you missed a lot of legal steals, not only from our room and Zep, if you prefer a more cosy show, contact immediately Zel, See you in Ensisheim! Martin Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von rob szep Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Februar 2007 21:59 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Clepto Convention at TUCSON... More show-and-tell and steal sell... Sounds to me like there was a CLEPTOMANIAC Convention happening at Tucson at the same as the Rock Show... Glad I missed the ''show... seems more and more like a giant get-together of two-faced, double-crossin', backstabbin' rock-floggers and rock-snatchers. Looking forward to missing next year's too. Zep, over out... - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, 8 February, 2007 8:41:30 PM Subject: Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 39, Issue 30 Send Meteorite-list mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Meteorite-list digest... Today's Topics: 1. macovich to come out of semi-retirement? (Darryl Pitt) 2. Re: Fraud or Stolen meteorites in Tucson ??? (JKGwilliam) 3. Re: Lang proxy bid? (JKGwilliam) 4. Re: a few other auction surprises (Eric Twelker) 5. Lang Auction (Bob Evans) 6. Re: Lang Auction (Michael Farmer) 7. Lang Auction (David Weir) 8. Re: Update on Walter (Jose Campos) 9. a few other auction surprises (Mike Fowler) 10. Lang Auction (Bob Evans) 11. Re: a few other auction surprises (Peter Marmet) 12. French Meteorite Hunters Article (Gary K. Foote) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:12:58 -0500 From: Darryl Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] macovich to come out of semi-retirement? To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed the macovich auction---where there was always staff to accommodate immediate payment property pick-up---is returning to tucson next year. On Feb 8, 2007, at 3:54 PM, Jim Strope wrote: I did NOT volunteer to offer my services for $100- to be your check out person but I am sure you can find some intelligent college student at the U of A that would be happy to do the service for a Hundred Bucks and free beer. (Beer to be consumed after the auction, of course). Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi All, Just got back from the big one. Haven't come close to reading all my 473 emails, but I am more convinced than ever that the lack of an additional check out person at my auction is, indeed, a situation in need of correcting. My plan for this year fell through at the last minute but I am now more determined than ever to correct this problem once and for all. Imagine my delight in hearing Jim Strope is willing to perform that duty for only $100! Yippie! You're hired, Jim! Please, everyone, let Jim know how
[meteorite-list] WG: Clepto Convention at TUCSON...
Ooops, seems not have it made through yesterday Well Zep, although Im lying in bed in Tucson with the Uruquay-Influenza (Hans, Ill gona be famous to have it brought to Europe), I really want to miss my 1st-Tucson-experience. It IS indeed the Mekka of stones, 40 different shows going on parallely, if then some not yet cleared circumstances at one single event will keep you from visiting Tucson nobody can help you. Not only that its most probably the most important event to catch sight of novelties concerning desert material and not to forget the real show- and masterpieces of historical specimens, which you wont find to such an extend at the Old-World-Shows, but it is the people, collectors, hunters, dealers likewise - the meteorite community which makes that event to an extraordinary highlight in the meteorite calendar! I want to express my warmest thanks to all of them, who made my first visit to an extraordinary experience, to list you all by name would be to long. He, Zep, aside from the fact, that we all want our specimens for free, I guess you missed a lot of legal steals, not only from our room and Zep, if you prefer a more cosy show, contact immediately Zel, See you in Ensisheim! Martin Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von rob szep Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Februar 2007 21:59 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Clepto Convention at TUCSON... More show-and-tell and steal sell... Sounds to me like there was a CLEPTOMANIAC Convention happening at Tucson at the same as the Rock Show... Glad I missed the ''show... seems more and more like a giant get-together of two-faced, double-crossin', backstabbin' rock-floggers and rock-snatchers. Looking forward to missing next year's too. Zep, over out... - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, 8 February, 2007 8:41:30 PM Subject: Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 39, Issue 30 Send Meteorite-list mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Meteorite-list digest... Today's Topics: 1. macovich to come out of semi-retirement? (Darryl Pitt) 2. Re: Fraud or Stolen meteorites in Tucson ??? (JKGwilliam) 3. Re: Lang proxy bid? (JKGwilliam) 4. Re: a few other auction surprises (Eric Twelker) 5. Lang Auction (Bob Evans) 6. Re: Lang Auction (Michael Farmer) 7. Lang Auction (David Weir) 8. Re: Update on Walter (Jose Campos) 9. a few other auction surprises (Mike Fowler) 10. Lang Auction (Bob Evans) 11. Re: a few other auction surprises (Peter Marmet) 12. French Meteorite Hunters Article (Gary K. Foote) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:12:58 -0500 From: Darryl Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] macovich to come out of semi-retirement? To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed the macovich auction---where there was always staff to accommodate immediate payment property pick-up---is returning to tucson next year. On Feb 8, 2007, at 3:54 PM, Jim Strope wrote: I did NOT volunteer to offer my services for $100- to be your check out person but I am sure you can find some intelligent college student at the U of A that would be happy to do the service for a Hundred Bucks and free beer. (Beer to be consumed after the auction, of course). Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi All, Just got back from the big one. Haven't come close to reading all my 473 emails, but I am more convinced than ever that the lack of an additional check out person at my auction is, indeed, a situation in need of correcting. My plan for this year fell through at the last minute but I am now more determined than ever to correct this problem once and for all. Imagine my delight in hearing Jim Strope is willing to perform that duty for only $100! Yippie! You're
Re: [meteorite-list] Sharing a positive
Right! Here my Tucson-Pic: Check-Out after the Lang Auction http://www.follow-me-now.de/assets/images/Metropolis-Aufstand.jpg (what about letting him arrive home first?). Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Norm Lehrman Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Februar 2007 05:49 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Sharing a positive List, Just a brief note to temper recent topics. I made a deal a while back to trade for a tektite from a deep jungle location. My contact had never attempted an international shipment before, so I agreed to send my part of the trade first. Both of us were nervous whether it would make it through the mail. Finally, it did. Today I received the following: Im very happy right now because the meteorite and meteoritic glasses have been arrived this saturday. I will send the tektite and some unknown material that chapadmalal-like material. Im in hurry to send the items to you this day.. Thanks 'cause made me happy! (name) This note made me happy too, so I thought I'd pass it along. Newbies might wonder about some of the negative emotions visible on the list from time to time, but there's some heart-warming good stuff that more than makes up for it. Along that line, part of the fun of Tucson is shaking hands with people we know from the list but are meeting face to face for the first time. This is a very unique community! Thanks to all! Cheers, Norm (http://TektiteSource.com) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lang Auction Results
Hi list, speculations are fun, but why don't we wait for that, what Lang has to state to clear the mist? The auction results all in all were enormously, in my eyes on average much more expensive than regular dealer's prices, many pieces went at such crazy results, that several dealers were standing there with open mouths, asking themselves, what they had done wrong all the years before. So I guess that Lang was more than content with that auction and even smiled... and therefore I'd suppose that one maybe could exclude, that later he intentionally sold some of the minor pieces at a higher rate to third persons. Martin, In Tucson. Slowly packing the trunks. Hey, we're so close to Mexico, should I really wrap in the Aldama(b) stones from our table? Of course they are weathered, but nicely sized and if I say 3.5$/g or maybe 3$ for the largest, who could complain at such a low tkw? Would have to look in the Catalogue, I guess it's below 1kg there, but all in all it will be 2kg. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von drtanuki Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Februar 2007 06:02 An: Mike Bandli; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Lang Auction Results Dear Mike and List, Does anyone know about Arizona auction laws and licenses? I have found some information on the Web, but not specifically for Tucson. It seems Arizona has a licensing procedure for auctions and auction houses. Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- Mike Bandli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The auction was a bit of a mess and frustrating for some. This is just speculation, but I have a feeling that some of the absentee bids were not taken into account during the live bidding. It seemed there was a lot of confusion here. Also, we do not know the hammer price on lots with multiple absentee bids that were higher than the in-person bids because Lang wanted to complete those lots after the auction (in order to speed things up). Either way, I do remember Achim 'winning' those lots and believe he should get them... Kind regards, Mike Bandli __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hair of Steve Arnold, Brenham
But Gary, for sure you can imagine, that it got radial flight marks, when he discovered the big Brenham main mass! But remember, that you have to keep it oiled. So hurry up, don't hesitate, I throw in a first bid of 50 bucks. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Gary K. Foote Gesendet: Sonntag, 4. Februar 2007 14:16 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hair of Steve Arnold, Brenham Is it oriented? Rich with olivines? Enquiring minds want to know. Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com On 4 Feb 2007 at 1:52, mccartney wrote: Hi all from sunny Tucson! Finally it warmed up, here. The Yearly Birthday Bash was a BLAST! Pity to all those who missed it. It was so packed the building security had to limit admitance and locked the doors. About 15 people were stuck outside. But back to HAIR. Oh do I have a treat for you! I was able to get Steve Arnold, of Brenham fame into selling a lock of his oh-so-sexy WORLD FAMOUS METEORITE HUNTER's hair. And for a good cause... We're talking, PREMO uber rare Carbonaceous hair! With PROVINANCE! Comes with a signed and dated document to the removal of said Carbonaceous slice off of his swollen cranium. Imagine this glorious specimen for your collection! With Specimin card! Truely, a piece worthy as the centerpiece of any collection. This lock of hair will be put on eBay upon my return to Austin. The proceeds of this auction will be donated to the Walter Branch cause via Maria. Is this not a worthy cause? So to one and all... don't pass up this opportunity to get a piece of Steve Arnold, Brenham! -mt IMCA 2760 Sent via the WebMail system at blackbearddata.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Green MOON OVER TUCSON-photo
Hi Matteo, if the museum is urgently willing to acquire that Moon for their collection, there should be no obstacle, that they could acquire it from us and you can tell them to contact us and you'll have saved your face. Best. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von M come Meteorite Meteorites Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 07:30 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Green MOON OVER TUCSON-photo Another confirm of how many is few honest the moroccans, I was in negotiation with a italian museum for buy this lunar meteorite, the moroccan have say: yes yes no problem is on hold for youoh yes, I have seennow what I say to the museum? For sure I never buy any other meteorite from moroccans Matteo --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Please enjoy the follow photo from Tucson today at this link - but there is no substitute for seeing in up and close in person: http://www.diogenite.com/luna606.jpg M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Vinci i biglietti per FIFA World Cup in Germania! yahoo.it/concorso_messenger __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Etching Iron Meteorites
What's the likelihood of fake meteorites being made that way? Zero. You have to fake at least pallasites for the fraud becoming profitable q.e.d. Would be nice to have a photo of the described products, if they show any similarity to Widmathompsopatures. (Cast irons display dendritic patterns). Martin, Frozen in Tucson. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Sterling K. Webb Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 00:43 An: Drake; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Etching Iron Meteorites Hi, Drake, ...Widmanstatten patterns are unique to meteorites. That's not true. I'll bite. In what other materials can they be found? Long considered definitive hereabouts. I quote one source: Widmanstatten pattern or Thompson structure: This pattern does not appear in terrestrial iron ores. Its presence is diagnostic in the identification of a meteorite. Looking for a definition, I found that they form when steels are cooled at a critical rate from extremely high temperatures. It consists of ferrite and pearlite and has a cross-hatched appearance due to the ferrite having formed along certain crystallographic planes. What's the likelihood of fake meteorites being made that way? Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Etching Iron Meteorites That was I, and thank you. The Nital I was using was what I use for standard metallographic sample preparation at 2% to 5%. I see now I need a much higher concentration. I did find one metallurgical error in that it states that Widmanstatten patterns are unique to meteorites. That's not true. Drake Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes Drake Doc Dameräu President, NEPRA NAR Section 614 L3CC member TRA 9934 L3 www.nepra.com www.rocketmaterials.org http://home.sprynet.com/~monel/home.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:meteorite-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary K. Foote Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:21 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Etching Iron Meteorites Hello List, I forget who was asking this morning, but Ruben Garcia has graciously allowed me to publish his in-depth article on cutting, etching and preserving iron meteorites to my site. For those interested the URL is; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/etchingandpreservation.html Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Etching Iron Meteorites
Here a link with micropics of diverse etched steels ect. http://www.georgesbasement.com/Microstructures/Unknowns/Iron-Based/Specimen0 1.htm Just click on go to your analysis of Specimen n, to get more. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Drake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 01:54 An: 'Martin Altmann'; 'Sterling K. Webb'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Etching Iron Meteorites I agree, Zero. You could make nice Widmanstatten patterns in some stainless steel alloys like 303, the giant crystals I've seen would be virtually impossible and very expensive. The dendrites seen in cast irons are the crystals growing along the crystallographic planes as the metal solidifies. This is basically the same property in metals that also form the Widmanstatten patterns. It's also why snowflakes, and gemstones have their unique shapes; they are all growing crystals taking on the shape of their crystallographic planes, or atomic arrangement. (ie, salt is always a cube and an amethyst is always a tetrahedron.) Drake Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes Drake Doc Dameräu President, NEPRA NAR Section 614 L3CC member TRA 9934 L3 www.nepra.com www.rocketmaterials.org http://home.sprynet.com/~monel/home.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:meteorite-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:21 PM To: 'Sterling K. Webb'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Etching Iron Meteorites What's the likelihood of fake meteorites being made that way? Zero. You have to fake at least pallasites for the fraud becoming profitable q.e.d. Would be nice to have a photo of the described products, if they show any similarity to Widmathompsopatures. (Cast irons display dendritic patterns). Martin, Frozen in Tucson. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Sterling K. Webb Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 00:43 An: Drake; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Etching Iron Meteorites Hi, Drake, ...Widmanstatten patterns are unique to meteorites. That's not true. I'll bite. In what other materials can they be found? Long considered definitive hereabouts. I quote one source: Widmanstatten pattern or Thompson structure: This pattern does not appear in terrestrial iron ores. Its presence is diagnostic in the identification of a meteorite. Looking for a definition, I found that they form when steels are cooled at a critical rate from extremely high temperatures. It consists of ferrite and pearlite and has a cross-hatched appearance due to the ferrite having formed along certain crystallographic planes. What's the likelihood of fake meteorites being made that way? Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Etching Iron Meteorites That was I, and thank you. The Nital I was using was what I use for standard metallographic sample preparation at 2% to 5%. I see now I need a much higher concentration. I did find one metallurgical error in that it states that Widmanstatten patterns are unique to meteorites. That's not true. Drake Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes Drake Doc Dameräu President, NEPRA NAR Section 614 L3CC member TRA 9934 L3 www.nepra.com www.rocketmaterials.org http://home.sprynet.com/~monel/home.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:meteorite-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary K. Foote Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:21 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Etching Iron Meteorites Hello List, I forget who was asking this morning, but Ruben Garcia has graciously allowed me to publish his in-depth article on cutting, etching and preserving iron meteorites to my site. For those interested the URL is; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/etchingandpreservation.html Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman
[meteorite-list] Stefan's Kreep - and a new 606 g lunar in Tucson
Hola, the woodpecker is working in the palm, sun is shining and finally even Chladni's Heirs managed to set up their tables. We have also to announce to the buyers of Stefan's NWA 4485, that it was rated now to be a KREEP-rich basalt. Well, it's a pairing to NWA 4472 - with its 188g NWA 4485 is the largest KREEP in private hands (humm there aren't that many..). As Greg already gave the proper and detailed information about this extremely rare matter, we refer to his last post: http://kuerzer.de/Kreep We brought some slices with us (Innsuites R 334 335). The other fine surprise, we have on display, is a whopping, partially regmaglypted stone, of which we are sure, that it is another part of the greenfresh Moon, the granulitic impactite NWA 3163/4483. Has 606 grams. Sooo, if you have nothing better to do and you're in Tucson, perhaps you'll take a glimpse... (we refilled the fridge with beer. Corona, haven't found Bavarian beer here yet..). Best! The Heirs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show
Hi Bob, yeah, we are in Tucson. Weather is impressing. But why the heck there are only 24 bottles in a box of Corona? We brought some kreep of the mentioned pairing, 1 day more and the tables are set. Prominent meteorite people all around here. S you! Chladni's Heirs -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bob Evans Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Januar 2007 04:13 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show Can we get some feedback from you guys who are already set up at the show? Any photos ? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] hit a tree, MORE
Ries/Steinheim! Has blown away a part of Bavaria and maybe also some trees... Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Michel FRANCO Gesendet: Montag, 22. Januar 2007 08:10 An: Bob WALKER; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] hit a tree, MORE M'Bale, tree plus kid. L'Aigle, many trees, fell in a small forest. my 2 cents Michel FRANCO www.caillou-noir.com Listoids awgh - a helping hand for u tree huggers bath furnace chernyi bor grzempach hyderabad kenton county mhow moravka novellara peckelsheim rich mountain tourinnes la grosse vitimsky warrenton cmon smarties I must have forgotten some cheers __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 20/01/2007 . __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs Tucson information
Hola list, and Chladni's Heirs too are preparing to head for Tucson. You'll find us in the well-known InnSuites, rooms R 334 335, building C (the same, where Bruno Carine Fectay and Eduardo will have there rooms too) from Jan 24 to Feb 12. We will bring along two surprising surprises, later more... (else they wouldn't be a surprise any longer). Looking forward to see you all! Stefan, Martin Andi __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cleaning Chondrites
A toothbrush And some good movies on TV. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Gary K. Foote Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Januar 2007 20:21 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cleaning Chondrites Sounds expensive. Any other choices? Gary On 20 Jan 2007 at 19:48, PolandMET wrote: ultrasonig cleaner is best st __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] north europe hurrycane emergency
Everything alright here in Munich, No severe devastations, though a casualty. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von gipometeorites Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Januar 2007 13:01 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] north europe hurrycane emergency Hi Leandro, yes the storm was terrible. I don't have heard of Belgium and Poland, i guess it was most heavy in Germany and England, in Germany we have 11 dead people and England 10, as far as i know. There is much water now in the street i live and many damaged roofs around, broken trees and so on. Nature is going mad... Best greetings, Carsten. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Novo-Urei eaten - reference?
Hi Kevin, that's no new idea. Last year in Ensisheim Bruno Fectay had some bottles of Biere de Mars. Biere de Mars usually is a special beer, somewhat stronger than normal beer, brewed in March (--Mars) in Belgium, France and Germany. Bruno mixed some dust of Mars into ist... Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Kevin Forbes Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Januar 2007 07:33 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Novo-Urei eaten - reference? Hey, what about getting in touch with a small brewery and getting them to mix a bag of meteorite dust in with a batch of stout. You could label it 'Star Beer, A special dietary supplement for aliens living on Earth.' Now wouldn't that send the conspiracists into a spin. 'Contains (measured as a % of solid matter in suspension) chondrite 85%, achondrite 10%, Lunar and other 3%, Iron, Nickel and trace elements 2%.' Each bottle contains a minimum of 100 mg of extraterrestrial matter. 7 fl Oz contains 50% of the minimum weekly requirements of these elements for normal alien biological functions. Manufactured on Earth for Off World Catering Services, a division of Greater Galactic. Greater Galactic. Paris, New York, Sydney, Alpha Centauri, Bellatrix. Who here would but a bottle of Star Beer? I reckon it might be good to drink if you had the runs. Hoo roo. Kevin, VK3UKF. Hi, Here's the few websites with references to eating Novo Urei that Google could find: http://www.meteorites.tv/contents/en-us/d74.html The Labennes http://www.meteorite.fr/en/classification/PAC-group.htm Bruno and Carine http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:v1f79uyArJ0J:six.pairlist.net/pipermail /meteorite-list/2004-August/163642.html+novo+urei+eatenhl=engl=usct=clnk cd=3 Novo Urei fall sept 4, 1886 (the Ureilite class name giving meteorite ) was eaten the indigeneous after the fall. The some Dag 489 Shergottite was eaten by its finder. ( he likes to tell that story ) I ate recently some fragments of my new diogenite that dropped on my bench after trimming. Not bad ! www.caillou-noir.com/Molay.htm It is the one that tastes so good. I will recommand to former meteorite eaters to focus on achondrites, the ones where there is less Ni. Shall I propose to our local brewery ( Micro Basserie de Chamonix, Canadian owner, just a good place to drink.) to make a try with some Dio powder from a future sawing ? --- Michel Franco I find it interesting that all the references on the eating Novo Urei were written by individuals of that nation with the reputation for the greatest of gustatory sophistication: La Belle Patrie -- France! Perhaps they have recipes to share? (Michel Franco has already suggested what to drink with your meteorite.) And Kim Stanley Robinson, author of the Mars Trilogy (Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars), ate a piece of Zagami after he mailed the final manuscript to his publisher, while sitting on his roof, then wrote a poem about Eating Mars. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Trace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novo-Urei eaten - reference? I remember reading the story about the meteorites being eaten for their 'magical' properties. I thought I saw it on a website. Though, I can't seem to find it now. Trace - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mark Grossman' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novo-Urei eaten - reference? Hi Mark, I don't know the original reference fort the story, that the locals ate some stones of Novo-Urei, We have to ask, Biblio-Bernd or Seguej Vassiliev. So I will send this question to the list. ...and Novo-Urei really looks tasty! http://www.geokhi.ru/~meteorit/opis/novo-urei-e.html Martin -Urspr|ngliche Nachricht- Von: Mark Grossman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Januar 2007 02:37 An: Martin Altmann Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen NWA 869 Martin, Thanks so much for the response! Do you have a reference for this? I thought I read something in Burke? Thanks! Mark - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen NWA 869 And Novo-Urei, a fall in 1886 in Russiam was eaten... -Urspr|ngliche Nachricht- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite
Re: [meteorite-list] AML Price List
To get to inflation corrected values, multiply with factor 6. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Matt Morgan Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Januar 2007 23:24 An: Meteorite List Betreff: [meteorite-list] AML Price List A friend just emailed me and told me he came across a 1965 price list from Glenn Huss. Read on, but do not crap your pants:) 76 lb. Odessa etched end piece w/ troilite and graphite nodules for $15/lb. , Arcadia, Nebraska (achondrite) for $.44/gram, a 461 g DeNova, Colo for $184.00, a 298 gram individual Fleming, CO for $476, a 14.5 g individual Holbrook collected in the 1930's for $7.35, a 10.5 g Norton County for $10.50, a 1.6 g Pasamonte frag for $3.00, and a 1,086 g individual Plainview for $157 -- === Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA http://www.mhmeteorites.com ebay id: mhmeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AML Price List
Inflation calculator gives a factor x 11.3 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Michael Farmer Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2007 01:16 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AML Price List I have some old WARDS catalogs from the 1920s and 1930s, if you think those prices are low, you should see these! for example, from a July, 1921 price list: Ballinoo Australia, 2,278 grams $150.00 Canyon City Colorado, 321 grams $50.00 Seelasgen Germany, 809 grams $100.00 Steinbach Germany, 198 grams $67.50. Crab Orchard mesosiderite 1023 grams $110.00 Morristown mesosiderite 307 grams $60.00 Cumberland Falls, complete stone, 135 grams $55.00 Holbrook 495 grams $30.00 Junvinas eucrite with crust 45 grams $24.00 Lundsgard Sweden, 94 gram complete stone $94.00 Mocs, complete stone 179 grams $20.00 Richardton complete stone 2943 grams $265.00 Trenzano Italy, 18 grams with crust $12.00 Now those were the good old days, of course, a new car back then cost like $1000.00! Michael Farmer --- Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To get to inflation corrected values, multiply with factor 6. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Matt Morgan Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Januar 2007 23:24 An: Meteorite List Betreff: [meteorite-list] AML Price List A friend just emailed me and told me he came across a 1965 price list from Glenn Huss. Read on, but do not crap your pants:) 76 lb. Odessa etched end piece w/ troilite and graphite nodules for $15/lb. , Arcadia, Nebraska (achondrite) for $.44/gram, a 461 g DeNova, Colo for $184.00, a 298 gram individual Fleming, CO for $476, a 14.5 g individual Holbrook collected in the 1930's for $7.35, a 10.5 g Norton County for $10.50, a 1.6 g Pasamonte frag for $3.00, and a 1,086 g individual Plainview for $157 -- === Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA http://www.mhmeteorites.com ebay id: mhmeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AML Price List
I remember Cohen's price compilations from 1880-1890 were more expensive. (I lost my notes..) Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: David Weir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2007 01:20 An: Michael Farmer Cc: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AML Price List Michael Farmer wrote: I have some old WARDS catalogs from the 1920s and 1930s, if you think those prices are low, you should see these! During the depression wasn't a loaf of bread like a penny? If you could find a job to earn one! Who was buying space rocks I can't imagine. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen NWA 869
And Novo-Urei, a fall in 1886 in Russiam was eaten... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Gary K. Foote Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Januar 2007 01:02 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen NWA 869 Welcome to the list Mark. You'll find us chatty, bitchy, informative and generally a bit off-center - as all good groups of 'space-geeks' should be :) Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com On 16 Jan 2007 at 18:16, Mark Grossman wrote: Hello to everyone. I am a new collector and subscriber to the list. When I join a new list, I usually just observe for awhile before I put my foot in the water (to avoid putting my foot in my mouth!). But I am particularly interested in the history of meteorites, and I noted the comment about the meteorite looking like chocolate. I seem to remember reading somewhere that peasants used to grind up meteorites hundreds of years ago and eat them for their magical properties. I checked Burke's history of meteorites very quickly, but couldn't find the reference. Is there anyone out there that read the same thing? And I do apologize in advance if I am saying something that everyone knows already - remember, this is my first post. Thanks, now I'll go back and just watch the list postings. Glad to be a subscriber, and a great hobby! Mark Grossman PS - Regarding the lost meteorite, I am not at all inferring that anyone's friends are peasants! - Original Message - From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen NWA 869 Now THAT is the best theory yet! :) Gary On 16 Jan 2007 at 11:52, Moni Waiblinger-Seabridge wrote: maybe someone ate it, it does look like a piece of chocolate! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Novo-Urei eaten - reference?
Hi Mark, I don't know the original reference fort the story, that the locals ate some stones of Novo-Urei, We have to ask, Biblio-Bernd or Seguej Vassiliev. So I will send this question to the list. ...and Novo-Urei really looks tasty! http://www.geokhi.ru/~meteorit/opis/novo-urei-e.html Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Mark Grossman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Januar 2007 02:37 An: Martin Altmann Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen NWA 869 Martin, Thanks so much for the response! Do you have a reference for this? I thought I read something in Burke? Thanks! Mark - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen NWA 869 And Novo-Urei, a fall in 1886 in Russiam was eaten... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mark Twain, a Eurochallenger, and Perihelia
No idea, I've never read BrinBenford. Huh! My Doug, listen! She that would gain a faithful lover Must at a distance keep the slave; Not by a look her heart discover, Men should but guess the thoughts we have. Whilst they're in doubt their flame increases, And all attendance they will pay; When once confess'd their ardour ceases, And vows like smoke soon fly away. Then, fond Aurelia, cease complaining, All thy reproaches useless prove; Beauties may conquer whilst disdaining, But lose their value when they love. So when a comet does appear, Men do with trembling view the blaze; The sun too common none does fear, Nor on his beams with wonder gaze. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von MexicoDoug Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Januar 2007 10:00 An: Meteorite Mailing List Betreff: [meteorite-list] Mark Twain, a Eurochallenger, and Perihelia Martin teased the R.O.W. about some obscure Jünger fellow and hove out a who said (with clairvoyance) to cater to a more American style of literature: ...came in with Halley's comet (1835) go out with it (1910) ... Jerry quipped: Mark Twain! As my Favorite Martin wonders how Mark Twain (Was he from Florida or Cairo?) honed his halleycious hillbilly humor...here's a quote from that lovable Clemens' creation Huck: (From The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn: Huck relates his musings at night with Jim, an, an escaped slave in the antebellum U.S. South, while they lay on their backs pondering the origin of the myrid of stars visible (ROFL) from their raft floating down the Mississippi): Jim said the moon could'a laid them, well, that looked kind of reasonable, so I didn't say nothing against it, because I've seen a frog lay most as many, so of course, it could be done. We used to watch the stars that fell, too, and see them streak down. Jim allowed they'd got spoiled and was hove out of the nest. OK, enough on Mark Twain, Here's an encore Who Said? for the European contingent, as we comfortably sit back and watch the SOHO and STEREO images rolling in for Comet McNaught, after we've suffered meeting the precision timing viewing requirements in the northern hemisphere over recent days: I will have two minutes on four different orbits to photograph Halley's comet in both the visible and UV spectrum. The objective is get this data as the comet approaches perihelion, which is just as it goes around behind the sun and starts to head back out. It's a regime where we do not have any data at the present time so I've also been told we will probably be the only human beings to see it at that time. Note: Halley's Comet last was at perihelion on February 9, 1986. Pioneer 12, orbiting Venus at the time on the opposite side of the Sun, made some of the UV observations which were interpreted to mean that the rate of water loss of the 6-km diameter comet ramped up from about 10 tons to 40 tons per second at perihelion and shortly thereafter as it was primed, reached as high as 70 tons loss per second. At that rate, Halley's comet will be around for up to 50,000 years before it vanishes (hypothetically, of course assuming a bit too much for comfort regarding composition and evaporation), assuming no unforeseen changes in orbit. This would mean an average at each pass of 8 meters in diameter was hove out ... Pioneer 12 ended its mission 6 1/2 years later in 1992 as a fireball perhaps dropping Earth meteorites on Venus' surface - where meteorites don't last very long at all:-( And just a few hours later, the Peekskill meteorite from the asteroid belt was hove into the trunk of a red 1980 Chevy Malibu belonging to a pretty 17 year old girl named Michelle. Comet McNaught reaches perihelion ... later today, January 12. Let the show begin! (I believe we will all get another chace to view the comet during daylight, though it practically out of sight for everyone now... Best wishes, Good health, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
