Re: [meteorite-list] Michigan meteorite

[Steve Dunklee via Meteorite-list]

 I have no Idea what happened to it , but my Grandfather had a doorstop with a 
widmanstatten pattern on it similar to gibeon. shaped like a half sphere with a 
hole drilled through the center to attach an eye ring, The story went, My great 
great uncle John Voith used it to tether his horse. while on the road, since 
there were areas with a lot of grassland and no tree or bush to tie a horse to. 
It must have weighed at least 30 lbs  and about the size of a half  bowling 
ball. I remember asking him why they put a pattern on it? He said it must have 
just been for decoration. I think I will ask one of my cousins what happened to 
it.
On Saturday, October 6, 2018, 6:38:34 PM CDT, Swan Valley Bushcraft via 
Meteorite-list  wrote:  
 
 Hello All,
The story of this Michigan meteorite does fit the generic narrative of a 
farm-raised meteorite. A noisy arrival. Warm to the touch. Life as a doorstop. 
All perfectly reasonable, and in fact, expected.
The degree of external weathering is possible depending on the iron chemical 
composition and the storage environment. I'll admit, I wondered about it too, 
but there are plenty of rusty blobs of Sikhote-Alin around that fell perhaps 10 
or more years after this alleged event.
https://www.meteorite-times.com/accretion-desk/a-lost-can-of-pristine-sikhote-alin-meteorites/

Either way, it looks like this is a real iron meteorite. And Occam and I would 
believe the initial story over a transplanted previously known iron. The 
Roundup, Montana has a similar story but without the fall excitement.
Best,
Martin


On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 2:35 AM Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

I saw this as a headline on CNN homepage
It even had billing over Elon Musk and Kavanaugh when I saw it.

After reading the report on its being excavated in 1930 or thereabouts from 
a crater after a loud crash and being warm to the touch etc.
I had to laugh!
Now if you had collected a freshly fallen Siderite moments after impact 
would it look like it has been weathered for 10,000 years !
No it wouldn't

I have no doubt about its authenticity but the story is far fetched


Paul Gessler



-Original Message- 
From: Jack Newport via Meteorite-list
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 1:00 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Michigan meteorite

Hey list,

> A 22-pound rock that has been propping open a door in Michigan for decades 
> turns out to be a meteorite valued at $100,000, according to Central 
> Michigan University.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/04/us/meteorite-doorstop-michigan-trnd/index.html?no-st=1538726141

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Re: [meteorite-list] STICKY TAPES

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 Try 
thishttps://www.amazon.com/PYB16400-Inc-Adhesive-Tape-Remover/dp/B00YWJSBQU/ref=sr_1_4_a_it?ie=UTF8=1531294737=8-4=sticky+tape+remover

CheersSteve
On Monday, July 9, 2018, 10:52:27 AM CDT, Anne Black via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:  
 
 Thank you Sterling.
Wise suggestion, it beats all the others I have seen.

Anne Black
IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com



-Original Message-
From: Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list 
To: meteorite-list 
Cc: 'Anne Black' 
Sent: Sun, Jul 8, 2018 10:45 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] STICKY TAPES

Anne, List,

The absolute worst sticky tape 
to remove is Scotch No. 800 and 
similarly formulated varieties 
of clear packing tapes. 

Years ago, when my family ran 
a drugstore, we used Scotch No. 
800 to wrap the label onto your 
pill bottles because you never 
want that kind of label to come 
off... ever.

The only two solvents that 
would work on that stuff was 
petroleum-distillate-based 
cigarette-lighter fluid or 
acetone, neither of which 
is pleasant to work with 
and will require a well-
ventilated area.

There is a good but even more 
primitive solution to holding 
a plastic box shut, but one that 
is very effective. 

Go to an office supply store 
and buy a box of 1/4" (wide) 
rubber bands of the right 
length to be stretched tight 
in one or two wraps around 
your packaging. No residue 
at all.


Sterling K. Webb



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Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite wanted

[Steve Dunklee via Meteorite-list]

why the interest? I have some.  seems a lot of interest lately.

  From: mineral via Meteorite-list 
 To: Meteoritelist  
 Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:30 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite wanted
   
Does anybody have a real piece of Mifflin meteorite that they want to sell.  
I'm trying to get a piece for a friend.  Not interested if the piece comes from 
John Brian Scarborough. 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Hot vs Cold again...wasmMeteorite Crashes Through Thailand House Roof

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Some day we may have thermal imaging of a meteorite falls of both iron and 
stony meteorites, and actually be able to get a reading if somone can catch one 
soon enough to take temperature readings, until then its just educated 
guessing. There may actually be some rocks out there that passed closer to the 
sun, and with space acting like a vacume bottle they would loose the heat 
slowly. to fall to earth as a hot meteorite. unlikely but still possible. or 
one that orbits the earths van allen belt fora few times before falling and 
picking up some heat along the way. or one that was knocked off a larger body 
creating heat that is retained during the fall. If the rock is already hot, a 
60 seconds of cold flight amy not be enough to cool it off. Or what about tidal 
pressures causing heat in a cluster of loose rock as they roll around at super 
sonic speed?
Just some of my thoughts and not substantiated.
Cheers
Steve



From: Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list 
To: MEM  
Cc: "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hot vs Cold again...wasmMeteorite Crashes Through 
Thailand House Roof



Elton...I agree with most of thatbut the cooling starts straight after hot 
flight miles up where the air temperature is around -30 -50 deg...surely any 
heat in the fusion crust would dissipate very quickly up there and then the 
interior temperature would then equalize to bring it down to well below 
freezing as it free-falls with minimum friction to change thatso my 
thinking is that even the fusion crust would also be very cold on landing 
unless somehow the friction from punching the hole heats the surface 
briefly...but I doubt that it would last more than a fraction of a second.


Graham



On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:04 AM, MEM via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:


>
>This was looked into several times in the list history. I am recalling details 
>from those discussions/my research.
>
>Any body arriving from space is at least -60°c and closer to -120°c to -180°c 
>based on some black body studies of asteroids-- IIRC
>
>
>The temperature at the air-meteoroid boundary of entry exceeds the melting 
>point of both iron and olivine. Most of that heat is carried off as an 
>iron/silicate mist.  Each mili-second of incandescent flight an entirely new 
>surface is formed. Inward traveling heat is being stripped away almost as fast 
>as it is penetrating in low thermo-conducivity but much faster in high 
>conductivity bodies (e.g iron).  The radiative cooling during dark flight is 
>probably calculable and a missing factor in estimating the state of heat 
>content upon landing.
>
>
>One of the Weston CT meteorites formed a frost rind shortly after falling 
>after sufficient time for all reentry heat to dissipate. I do not recall any 
>other comments.  This was discovered by a fireman under the dining table.  I 
>do not recall which other meteorite it was but, another was noted to have a 
>frost rind after a few minutes. Other falls such as Sylacaga are silent as to 
>the temperature.
>
>
>Conclusions:
>
>An immediately-recovered, newly-fallen silicate/stony meteorite is 
>usually--but briefly "hot/uncomfortably warm" to the touch. The rind is very 
>hot but lacks much heat reservoir. Heat penetration--based on measuring heated 
>rims-- is somewhere between 2mm but not more than 6mm.  Beyond 6mm does not 
>get above 140° F proven by the domain reset of magnetite orientation in 
>Martian Meteorites.  Be it remembered that an empty .50 cal brass case "feels" 
>like it would burn you if it goes down one's shirt but lacks the heat content 
>to cause burns.
>
>
>Specific characterizations of hot/warm are hidden among the various accounts 
>of some well known falls nearby humans. Monahans, Mbale, Allende, Murchison 
>etc..  If you disagree-- don't start some silly list fight--Do your own weeks 
>of research reach your own conclusions!
>
>
>Iron meteorites owing to a high coefficient of therm-conductivity are likely 
>very hot to the touch and warm throughout. It is probably much like a piece of 
>metal cut by a welding torch--no sign of bluing but very hot on the opposite 
>end of the cut.
>
>
>
>Elton
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[meteorite-list] Interesting article on life origin

[Steve Dunklee via Meteorite-list]

I thought this was interesting I hope you enjoy it also.

http://www.kurzweilai.net/universes-first-life-might-have-been-born-on-diamond-planets?utm_source=KurzweilAI+Weekly+Newsletter_campaign=c69631c655-UA-946742-1_medium=email_term=0_147a5a48c1-c69631c655-282191077

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Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid Is Earth's Constant Companion (2016 HO3)

[Steve Dunklee via Meteorite-list]

Cool! This asteroid could be our best defence against a larger object. as we 
could change its orbit to intercept and deflect  a larger one.CheersSteve

  From: Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list 
 To: Meteorite Mailing List  
 Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:48 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid Is Earth's Constant Companion (2016 
HO3)
   

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=6537

Small Asteroid Is Earth's Constant Companion 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
June 15, 2016

A small asteroid has been discovered in an orbit around the sun that keeps 
it as a constant companion of Earth, and it will remain so for centuries 
to come.

As it orbits the sun, this new asteroid, designated 2016 HO3, appears 
to circle around Earth as well. It is too distant to be considered a true 
satellite of our planet, but it is the best and most stable example to 
date of a near-Earth companion, or "quasi-satellite."

"Since 2016 HO3 loops around our planet, but never ventures very far away 
as we both go around the sun, we refer to it as a quasi-satellite of Earth," 
said Paul Chodas, manager of NASA's Center for Near-Earth Object (NEO) 
Studies at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. "One 
other asteroid -- 2003 YN107 -- followed a similar orbital pattern for 
a while over 10 years ago, but it has since departed our vicinity. This 
new asteroid is much more locked onto us. Our calculations indicate 2016 
HO3 has been a stable quasi-satellite of Earth for almost a century, and 
it will continue to follow this pattern as Earth's companion for centuries 
to come." 

In its yearly trek around the sun, asteroid 2016 HO3 spends about half 
of the time closer to the sun than Earth and passes ahead of our planet, 
and about half of the time farther away, causing it to fall behind. Its 
orbit is also tilted a little, causing it to bob up and then down once 
each year through Earth's orbital plane. In effect, this small asteroid 
is caught in a game of leap frog with Earth that will last for hundreds 
of years.

The asteroid's orbit also undergoes a slow, back-and-forth twist over 
multiple decades. "The asteroid's loops around Earth drift a little ahead 
or behind from year to year, but when they drift too far forward or backward, 
Earth's gravity is just strong enough to reverse the drift and hold onto 
the asteroid so that it never wanders farther away than about 100 times 
the distance of the moon," said Chodas. "The same effect also prevents 
the asteroid from approaching much closer than about 38 times the distance 
of the moon. In effect, this small asteroid is caught in a little dance 
with Earth."

Asteroid 2016 HO3 was first spotted on April 27, 2016, by the Pan-STARRS 
1 asteroid survey telescope on Haleakala, Hawaii, operated by the University 
of Hawaii's Institute for Astronomy and funded by NASA's Planetary Defense 
Coordination Office. The size of this object has not yet been firmly 
established, 
but it is likely larger than 120 feet (40 meters) and smaller than 300 
feet (100 meters).

The Center for NEO Studies website has a complete list of recent and upcoming 
close approaches, as well as all other data on the orbits of known NEOs, 
so scientists and members of the media and public can track information 
on known objects.

For asteroid news and updates, follow AsteroidWatch on Twitter:

http://www.twitter.com/AsteroidWatch

News Media Contact
DC Agle
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
818-393-9011
a...@jpl.nasa.gov 

Dwayne Brown / Laurie Cantillo
NASA Headquarters, Washington
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Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive watches of the year -Meteoritewatch priced over 4M.

[Steve Dunklee via Meteorite-list]

Hi all:
Adam have you ever applied for a design patent for your Idea? they arent very 
expensive for an individual. Here is a link to the patent office. Photos 
automatically have a copyright for the person who took the photo without any 
application needed. if the design was taken from a photo it could be copyright 
infringement. but things like that are usualy settled out of court for pennies 
on the dollar.
Cheers
http://www.uspto.gov/patents/resources/types/designapp.jsp



Steve



From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive watches of the year
-Meteoritewatch priced over 4M.


Yes, I have witnessed or heard first-hand of this type of greed and lack of 
respect for others honest work for decades. It only seems to be getting 
worse accelerated by a poor economy.  This watch company is just an example 
on the high-end of the spectrum.  One of my friends, who was working on a 
survey vessel, witnessed a seaplane wreck on Lake Washington and rerouted it 
to the rescue.  Inside the wreckage was none other than John Nordstrom who 
was more concerned with salvaging his briefcase than rescuing his wife.  I 
will not let my wife buy her shoes or boots from Nordstrom's knowing how 
unsavory they are.

On the other end, I have given people the opportunity to make an honest 
dollar several times but it never ceases to amaze me how quickly they burn 
out from a little bit of hard work and try to find shortcuts (entitlements 
and outright stealing).  Plagiarism and theft are one and the same as far as 
I am concerned.   In the once fine,avocation of meteorite collecting, 
piggy-backing, plagiarism, lack of honoring commitments, material swapping 
and theft have become all too common for my tastes.

I could write a book on the subject but feel it would be better to focus on 
other pursuits.

Adam




- Original Message - 
From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net
To: Raremeteorites raremeteori...@centurylink.net; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive watches of the 
year -Meteoritewatch priced over 4M.




I can confirm what Adam has related. The Ambassador slice encased in it's 
cutting edge engineered, airtight portal was, for a short time, the most 
extraordinary object entrusted to me, The piece was perfect in every 
presentation. He who designed the portal was a genius and what was presented 
and contained within was the most intensely recognizable, inspiriring slice 
of the Moon I will ever see in my life. To hold it in my arms and gaze at 
this enormoous, unblemished, priceless, celestial object was akin to having 
a sexual experience.

The idiots who didn't have the education, intellect, or sensitivity to 
realize what they were trying to steal from Adam will remain just 
thatidiots.

Seasons Greetings to all,

Count Deiro
Imca 3536 MetCom

-Original Message-
From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Dec 22, 2014 8:31 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive watches of the year - 
Meteoritewatch priced over 4M.

Yes, I proposed the idea to Louis Moinet about a watch with a lunar face
using NWA 5000 which actually looks like the Moon.  They copied my Jules
Verne portal design and name after I provided them with images of the first
slice of NWA 5000. The first complete slice of NW 5000 was mounted in a
custom machined case which looked like a portal.  I renamed the piece from
the Jules Verne Slice to the Ambassador Slice after being plagiarized 
by
this watch company.  They named their first lunar watch the Jules Verne
and even had a mini-portal in the side of it to view a tiny cheap piece of 
a
Dhofar lunar meteorite.

Dhofar lunar specimens were the least expensive at the time and yet they
want millions of dollars for the watches.

How original?

Adam





- Original Message - 
From: Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:43 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Most expensive watches of the year -
Meteoritewatch priced over 4M.


 Hello Listers

 For those of you looking for the must have item for Xmas, look no
 further (:

 Enjoy

 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633
 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
 Website http://meteoritefalls.com


 Most expensive watches of the year

 THERE’S NOTHING that conveys your financial status more than what you
 wear on your wrist. The world of luxurious timepieces has expanded in
 recent times as technology, innovation and ornamentation combine to
 produce watches that are truly unique and spell class and elegance apart
 from money. Notably, the brand that features the 

Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2014 UR116, A 400-meter Sized Near-Earth Asteroid, Represents No Threat to the Earth Hype.

[Steve Dunklee via Meteorite-list]

and heres the hype.
http://news.yahoo.com/russian-scientist-spies-mountain-sized-asteroid-heading-way-170022867.html

cheers
Steve
  
 
Russian scientist spies mountain-sized asteroid heading ...
A Russian astrophysicist says his team has located a huge, mountain-sized 
asteroid whose orbit crosses the Earth's every three years.  
View on news.yahoo.com Preview by Yahoo  
  




From: Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 6:57 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2014 UR116,A 400-meter Sized Near-Earth 
Asteroid,Represents No Threat to the Earth



http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news187.html

Asteroid 2014 UR116, A 400-meter Sized Near-Earth Asteroid, Represents 
No Threat to the Earth

NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
December 8, 2014

Some recent press reports have suggested that an asteroid designated 2014 
UR116, found on October 27, 2014, at the MASTER-II observatory in Kislovodsk, 
Russia, represents an impact threat to the Earth. While this approximately 
400-meter sized asteroid has a three year orbital period around the sun 
and returns to the Earth's neighborhood periodically, it does not represent 
a threat because it's orbital path does not pass sufficiently close to 
the Earth's orbit.

Furthermore, Tim Spahr, Director of the Minor Planet Center in Cambridge 
Massachusetts, has also re-computed this object's orbit after noticing 
that it was the same as an object observed six years ago. Using both sets 
of observations, the future motion of this asteroid was carried further 
forward in time using the automatic computations made by the Sentry system 
at NASA's Near-Earth Object Program Office at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. 
These computations rule out this object as an impact threat to Earth (or 
any other planet) for at least the next 150 years.

Any statements about risk for impact of discovered asteroids and comets 
should be verified by scientists and the media by accessing NASA' Near 
Earth Object (NEO) Program web site at

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/

or the European equivalent, the NEO Dynamic Site at

http://newton.dm.unipi.it/neodys/index.php?pc=4.1 . 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Research Offers Explanation for Titan Dune Puzzle

[Steve Dunklee via Meteorite-list]

Hmm Anyone else here ever see dunes created liquids rather than water? saw them 
all the time on the bottom of shallow lakes and you can recreate them by 
putting a thin layer of sand at the bottom of a dish and just starting some 
wave motion.
Cheers
Steve


- Original Message -
From: Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 7:11 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Research Offers Explanation for Titan Dune Puzzle



http://tntoday.utk.edu/2014/12/08/ut-research-offers-explanation-titan-dune-puzzle/

UT Research Offers Explanation for Titan Dune Puzzle
University of Tennessee
December 8, 2014

Titan, Saturn's largest moon, is a peculiar place. Unlike any other moon, 
it has a dense atmosphere. It has rivers and lakes made up of components 
of natural gas, such as ethane and methane. It also has windswept dunes 
that are hundreds of yards high, more than a mile wide and hundreds of 
miles long - despite data suggesting the body to have only light breezes.

[Photo]
Sediment inside the Titan wind tunnel for testing.

Research led by Devon Burr, an associate professor in UT's Earth and Planetary 
Sciences Department, shows that winds on Titan must blow faster than previously 
thought to move sand. The discovery may explain how the dunes were formed.

The findings are published in the current edition of the academic journal 
Nature.

A decade ago, Burr and other scientists were amazed by the Cassini spacecraft's 
pictures of Titan that showed never-before-seen dunes created by particles 
previously not known to have existed.

It was surprising that Titan had particles the size of grains of sand 
- we still don't understand their source - and that it had winds strong 
enough to move them, said Burr. Before seeing the images, we thought 
that the winds were likely too light to accomplish this movement.

The biggest mystery, however, was the shape of the dunes. The Cassini 
data showed that the predominant winds that shaped the dunes blew from 
east to west. However, the streamlined appearance of the dunes around 
obstacles like mountains and craters indicated they were created by winds 
moving in exactly the opposite direction.

[Photo]
Cassini radar sees sand dunes on Saturn's giant moon Titan (upper photo) 
that are sculpted like Namibian sand dunes on Earth (lower photo). The 
bright features in the upper radar photo are not clouds but topographic 
features among the dunes. Credit: NASA

To get to the bottom of this conundrum, Burr dedicated six years to 
refurbishing 
a defunct NASA high-pressure wind tunnel to recreate Titan's surface 
conditions. 
She and her team then turned up the tunnel's pressure to simulate Titan's 
dense atmosphere, turned on the wind tunnel fan, and studied how the 
experimental 
sand behaved. Because of uncertainties in the properties of sand on Titan, 
they used 23 different varieties of sand in the wind tunnel to capture 
the possible sand behavior on Titan.

After two years of many models and recalibrations, the team discovered 
that the minimum wind on Titan has to be about 50 percent faster than 
previously thought to move the sand.

Our models started with previous wind speed models but we had to keep 
tweaking them to match the wind tunnel data, said Burr. We discovered 
that movement of sand on Titan's surface needed a wind speed that was 
higher than what previous models suggested.

The reason for the needed tweaking was the dense atmosphere. So this finding 
also validates the use of the older models for bodies with thin atmospheres, 
like comets and asteroids.

The discovery of the higher threshold wind offers an explanation for the 
shape of the dunes, too.

If the predominant winds are light and blow east to west, then they are 
not strong enough to move sand, said Burr. But a rare event may cause 
the winds to reverse momentarily and strengthen.

According to atmospheric models, the wind reverses twice during a Saturn 
year which is equal to about thirty Earth years. This reversal happens 
when the sun crosses over the equator, causing the atmosphere - and 
subsequently 
the winds - to shift. Burr theorizes that it is only during this brief 
time of fast winds blowing from the west that the dunes are shaped.

The high wind speed might have gone undetected by Cassini because it 
happens so infrequently.

This research was supported by grants from NASA's Planetary Geology and 
Geophysics Program and the Outer Planets Research Program. A new grant 
will allow Burr and her colleagues to examine Titan's winds during different 
climates on Titan as well as the effect of electrostatic forces on the 
sand movement.

Burr's team included UT Earth and Planetary Sciences Assistant Professor 
Josh Emery as well as colleagues from the Johns Hopkins University Applied 
Physics Laboratory, SETI Institute, Arizona State University, and the 
University of 

[meteorite-list] Fossils found in meteorites?

[Steve Dunklee via Meteorite-list]

has anyone else read this? what are your opinions? I would like to see some 
testing by other scientists.


http://www.examiner.com/article/new-scientific-study-claims-extraterrestrial-fossil-found-sri-lanka-meteor

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Re: [meteorite-list] Fossils found in meteorites?

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I figured it was a bunch of bunk, but was really kind of hoping there was some 
truth in it, I know ther are some geologists out there that might be able to 
explain what I found on some NASA rover photos that resembles crinoid fossils. 
The original photos had the time stamps clearly on them but since I uploaded 
them they have been blured out. Take a look.You have to use your browser zoom 
to get a good look.
http://www.marsroverblog.com/discuss-212878-fossils-on-sol-605.html#comment-621936

cheers
Steve




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Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 4:22 PM
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Hi Steve,

I would have more trust in the article if it was published in the Journal of
Cosmetology rather than the Journal of Cosmology.

Thanks,

Peter


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has anyone else read this? what are your opinions? I would like to see some
testing by other scientists.


http://www.examiner.com/article/new-scientific-study-claims-extraterrestrial
-fossil-found-sri-lanka-meteor

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[meteorite-list] unusual geology on mars

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This photo coms from the rover and shows some circles that look almost like 
crinoids
https://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=6hg8rdseopdc0#9407374505
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wrong link
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10351229_718677584858531_7841236522203934426_n.jpg



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Subject: unusual geology on mars

This photo coms from the rover and shows some circles that look almost like 
crinoids
https://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=6hg8rdseopdc0#9407374505
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Re: [meteorite-list] Pebbly Rocks Testify to Old Streambed on Mars (MSL)

[Steve Dunklee]

  what looks like river beds, canyons and lakes.
 all without any water
  needed.
  Cheers
  Steve
 
  --- On Fri, 5/31/13, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pebbly Rocks
 Testify to Old Streambed on
  Mars (MSL)
  To: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu
  Cc: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com,
 Meteorite Mailing
 List
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,
 Ron Baalke
  baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov
  Date: Friday, May 31, 2013, 11:39 PM
  Hi Larry, that's exactly the word I
  was trying to look
  for...sublimates...just could not bring
 it to mind. (any
  was being
  too lazy to look it up)  So my
 thoughts were
  rightvery unlikely
  for there ever to be any liquid CO2 on
 Mars.
 
  G
 
  On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 6:32 PM, 
 lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu
  wrote:
   Hi Graham and Steve:
  
   Technically, you are wrong--CO2
 sublimates (turns from
  solid to gas) and
   does not evaporate (turns from liquid
 to gas). The
  triple point (where
   solid, liquid, and gas exist)of CO2 is
 5.1 atmospheres.
  Since the sea
   level pressure on Mars is about 0.006
 atmospheres, the
  atmospheric
   pressure on Mars would have had to
 have been 1000 times
  greater than it is
   now. Not very likely. To have liquid
 water (enough for
  flowing rivers) the
   pressure would have to be about 0.006
 atmospheres at 0
  degrees C. In fact,
   I think that this is how they
 originally defined the
  mean surface of Mars.
   The only problem is that Mars is
 generally too cold at
  this pressure for
   there to be liquid water, so you would
 need a warmer
  Mars (by a about 60
   degrees centigrade for the average
 temperature) in
  order to get water
   flowing on Mars. This is much more
 likely than a
  1000-fold increase in
   surface pressure.
  
   In fact, there is evidence for liquid
 water on Mars,
  but not in great
   amounts (gullies, for example).
  
   Larry
  
   Hi Steve,
  
   Liquid CO2 cannot exsist as a
 liquid at atmospheric
  pressure. It must
   be pressurized above 60.4 psi to
 remain as a
  liquidso would it
   have ever flowed on Mars at all?
 Solid CO2
  evaporates to gas on Earth
   and I would say it does the same
 on
  Marssomebody correct me there
   if I am wrong?
  
   Interesting thought about bog
 iron.we would
  have hopes on Mars
   which would be the reverse of our
 hopes on Earth.
  Many pieces of bog
   iron have got folks excited on
 Earth because they
  were thought to be
   meteorites but are meteorwrongs.
 On Mars we would
  be hoping that a
   meteorite was bog iron as that
 would indicate a bog
  and thus peat and
   plantlife. As far as I know bog
 iron is associated
  with pea bogs and
   cannot form just with water...now
 a layer of old
  peat bog/coal would
   be an exciting find on Mars.
  
   Graham
  
   On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:41 AM,
 Steve Dunklee
  steve.dunk...@yahoo.com
   wrote:
   What is the composition of the
 pebbles? and
  other deposits? if there are
   not carbonates or other water
 soluable
  constiuentes then we may have to
   accept the flow of carbon
 dioxide as the cause
  of the water like erosion
   caused by the heating and
 cooling  on
  mars. where is the bog iron and
   limestone or other
 precipitates which would be
  formed by water? As much
   as I would wish for life and
 water on mars I
  see nothing to convince me
   yet.
   Cheers
   Steve Dunklee
   --- On Thu, 5/30/13, Ron
 Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov
  wrote:
  
   From: Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov
   Subject: [meteorite-list]
 Pebbly Rocks
  Testify to Old Streambed on Mars
   (MSL)
   To: Meteorite Mailing
 List
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Date: Thursday, May 30,
 2013, 7:01 PM
  
   http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-181
  
  
   Pebbly Rocks Testify to
 Old Streambed on
  Mars
   Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   May 30, 2013
  
   PASADENA, Calif. -
 Detailed analysis and
  review have borne
   out
   researchers' initial
 interpretation of
  pebble-containing
   slabs that
   NASA's Mars rover
 Curiosity investigated
  last year: They are
   part of an
   ancient streambed.
  
   The rocks are the first
 ever found on Mars
  that contain
   streambed
   gravels. The sizes and
 shapes of the
  gravels embedded in
   these
   conglomerate rocks -- from
 the size of sand
  particles to the
   size of
   golf balls -- enabled
 researchers to
  calculate the depth and
   speed of
   the water that once flowed
 at this
  location.
  
   We completed more
 rigorous quantification
  of the outcrops
   to
   characterize the size
 distribution and
  roundness of the
   pebbles and sand
   that make up these
 conglomerates, said
  Rebecca Williams of
   the
   Planetary Science
 Institute, Tucson, Ariz.,
  lead author of a
   report
   about them in the journal
 Science this
  week. We ended up
   with a
   calculation in the same
 range as our
  initial estimate last

Re: [meteorite-list] Pebbly Rocks Testify to Old Streambed on Mars (MSL)

[Steve Dunklee]

I believe  I did not describe properly what I was trying to say. The video link 
I sent clearly showed co2 gas being poured from a beaker. During the cold mars 
night a thin layer of co2 frost can form on a hillside. when daylight returns 
and thaws the frost, the recently sublimated co2 being colder than the 
surrounding atmosphere is going to flow down hill. Millions of years of colder 
denser gas flowing down hill is going to cause erosion that simulates the flow 
of water.
Mars has an 100 thousand year polar freeze thaw cycle. When billions of 
tons of co2 sublimate from the poles its going to flow out from the poles and 
cause erosion as it does so. Millions of years of this repeated cycle of the 
colder gas flowing down hill is going to carve what looks like river beds, 
canyons and lakes. all without any water needed.
Cheers
Steve

--- On Fri, 5/31/13, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pebbly Rocks Testify to Old Streambed on Mars 
 (MSL)
 To: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu
 Cc: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com, Meteorite Mailing List 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Ron Baalke 
 baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov
 Date: Friday, May 31, 2013, 11:39 PM
 Hi Larry, that's exactly the word I
 was trying to look
 for...sublimates...just could not bring it to mind. (any
 was being
 too lazy to look it up)  So my thoughts were
 rightvery unlikely
 for there ever to be any liquid CO2 on Mars.
 
 G
 
 On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 6:32 PM,  lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu
 wrote:
  Hi Graham and Steve:
 
  Technically, you are wrong--CO2 sublimates (turns from
 solid to gas) and
  does not evaporate (turns from liquid to gas). The
 triple point (where
  solid, liquid, and gas exist)of CO2 is 5.1 atmospheres.
 Since the sea
  level pressure on Mars is about 0.006 atmospheres, the
 atmospheric
  pressure on Mars would have had to have been 1000 times
 greater than it is
  now. Not very likely. To have liquid water (enough for
 flowing rivers) the
  pressure would have to be about 0.006 atmospheres at 0
 degrees C. In fact,
  I think that this is how they originally defined the
 mean surface of Mars.
  The only problem is that Mars is generally too cold at
 this pressure for
  there to be liquid water, so you would need a warmer
 Mars (by a about 60
  degrees centigrade for the average temperature) in
 order to get water
  flowing on Mars. This is much more likely than a
 1000-fold increase in
  surface pressure.
 
  In fact, there is evidence for liquid water on Mars,
 but not in great
  amounts (gullies, for example).
 
  Larry
 
  Hi Steve,
 
  Liquid CO2 cannot exsist as a liquid at atmospheric
 pressure. It must
  be pressurized above 60.4 psi to remain as a
 liquidso would it
  have ever flowed on Mars at all? Solid CO2
 evaporates to gas on Earth
  and I would say it does the same on
 Marssomebody correct me there
  if I am wrong?
 
  Interesting thought about bog iron.we would
 have hopes on Mars
  which would be the reverse of our hopes on Earth.
 Many pieces of bog
  iron have got folks excited on Earth because they
 were thought to be
  meteorites but are meteorwrongs. On Mars we would
 be hoping that a
  meteorite was bog iron as that would indicate a bog
 and thus peat and
  plantlife. As far as I know bog iron is associated
 with pea bogs and
  cannot form just with water...now a layer of old
 peat bog/coal would
  be an exciting find on Mars.
 
  Graham
 
  On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Steve Dunklee
 steve.dunk...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
  What is the composition of the pebbles? and
 other deposits? if there are
  not carbonates or other water soluable
 constiuentes then we may have to
  accept the flow of carbon dioxide as the cause
 of the water like erosion
  caused by the heating and cooling  on
 mars. where is the bog iron and
  limestone or other precipitates which would be
 formed by water? As much
  as I would wish for life and water on mars I
 see nothing to convince me
  yet.
  Cheers
  Steve Dunklee
  --- On Thu, 5/30/13, Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov
 wrote:
 
  From: Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Pebbly Rocks
 Testify to Old Streambed on Mars
  (MSL)
  To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Thursday, May 30, 2013, 7:01 PM
 
  http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-181
 
 
  Pebbly Rocks Testify to Old Streambed on
 Mars
  Jet Propulsion Laboratory
  May 30, 2013
 
  PASADENA, Calif. - Detailed analysis and
 review have borne
  out
  researchers' initial interpretation of
 pebble-containing
  slabs that
  NASA's Mars rover Curiosity investigated
 last year: They are
  part of an
  ancient streambed.
 
  The rocks are the first ever found on Mars
 that contain
  streambed
  gravels. The sizes and shapes of the
 gravels embedded in
  these
  conglomerate rocks -- from the size of sand
 particles to the
  size

Re: [meteorite-list] Pebbly Rocks Testify to Old Streambed on Mars (MSL)

[Steve Dunklee]

What is the composition of the pebbles? and other deposits? if there are not 
carbonates or other water soluable constiuentes then we may have to accept the 
flow of carbon dioxide as the cause of the water like erosion caused by the 
heating and cooling  on mars. where is the bog iron and limestone or other 
precipitates which would be formed by water? As much as I would wish for life 
and water on mars I see nothing to convince me yet.
Cheers 
Steve Dunklee
--- On Thu, 5/30/13, Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov wrote:

 From: Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Pebbly Rocks Testify to Old Streambed on Mars (MSL)
 To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, May 30, 2013, 7:01 PM
 
 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-181 
 
 
 Pebbly Rocks Testify to Old Streambed on Mars
 Jet Propulsion Laboratory
 May 30, 2013
 
 PASADENA, Calif. - Detailed analysis and review have borne
 out
 researchers' initial interpretation of pebble-containing
 slabs that
 NASA's Mars rover Curiosity investigated last year: They are
 part of an
 ancient streambed.
 
 The rocks are the first ever found on Mars that contain
 streambed
 gravels. The sizes and shapes of the gravels embedded in
 these
 conglomerate rocks -- from the size of sand particles to the
 size of
 golf balls -- enabled researchers to calculate the depth and
 speed of
 the water that once flowed at this location.
 
 We completed more rigorous quantification of the outcrops
 to
 characterize the size distribution and roundness of the
 pebbles and sand
 that make up these conglomerates, said Rebecca Williams of
 the
 Planetary Science Institute, Tucson, Ariz., lead author of a
 report
 about them in the journal Science this week. We ended up
 with a
 calculation in the same range as our initial estimate last
 fall. At a
 minimum, the stream was flowing at a speed equivalent to a
 walking pace
 -- a meter, or three feet, per second -- and it was
 ankle-deep to
 hip-deep.
 
 Three pavement-like rocks examined with the telephoto
 capability of
 Curiosity's Mast Camera (Mastcam) during the rover's first
 40 days on
 Mars are the basis for the new report. One, Goulburn, is
 immediately
 adjacent to the rover's Bradbury Landing touchdown site.
 The other
 two, Link and Hottah, are about 165 and 330 feet (50 and
 100 meters)
 to the southeast. Researchers also used the rover's
 laser-shooting
 Chemistry and Camera (ChemCam) instrument to investigate the
 Link rock.
 
 These conglomerates look amazingly like streambed deposits
 on Earth,
 Williams said. Most people are familiar with rounded river
 pebbles.
 Maybe you've picked up a smoothed, round rock to skip across
 the water.
 Seeing something so familiar on another world is exciting
 and also
 gratifying.
 
 The larger pebbles are not distributed evenly in the
 conglomerate rocks.
 In Hottah, researchers detected alternating pebble-rich
 layers and sand
 layers. This is common in streambed deposits on Earth and
 provides
 additional evidence for stream flow on Mars. In addition,
 many of the
 pebbles are touching each other, a sign that they rolled
 along the bed
 of a stream.
 
 Our analysis of the amount of rounding of the pebbles
 provided further
 information, said Sanjeev Gupta of Imperial College,
 London, a
 co-author of the new report. The rounding indicates
 sustained flow. It
 occurs as pebbles hit each other multiple times. This wasn't
 a one-off
 flow. It was sustained, certainly more than weeks or months,
 though we
 can't say exactly how long.
 
 The stream carried the gravels at least a few miles, or
 kilometers, the
 researchers estimated.
 
 The atmosphere of modern Mars is too thin to make a
 sustained stream
 flow of water possible, though the planet holds large
 quantities of
 water ice. Several types of evidence have indicated that
 ancient Mars
 had diverse environments with liquid water. However, none
 but these
 rocks found by Curiosity could provide the type of stream
 flow
 information published this week. Curiosity's images of
 conglomerate
 rocks indicate that atmospheric conditions at Gale Crater
 once enabled
 the flow of liquid water on the Martian surface.
 
 During a two-year prime mission, researchers are using
 Curiosity's 10
 science instruments to assess the environmental history in
 Gale Crater
 on Mars, where the rover has found evidence of ancient
 environmental
 conditions favorable for microbial life.
 
 More information about Curiosity is online at:
 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/msl , http://www.nasa.gov/msl and
 http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/ .
 
 You can follow the mission on Facebook at:
 http://www.facebook.com/marscuriosity and
 on Twitter at
 http://www.twitter.com/marscuriosity .
 
 Guy Webster 818-354-6278
 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
 guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov
 
 2013-181
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Pebbly Rocks Testify to Old Streambed on Mars (MSL)

[Steve Dunklee]

I should add several billion years  of carbon dioxide flow could cause a lot of 
erosion.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XMVa_1C5EM

Cheers 
Steve

--- On Fri, 5/31/13, Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pebbly Rocks Testify to Old Streambed on Mars 
 (MSL)
 To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Ron 
 Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov
 Date: Friday, May 31, 2013, 8:41 AM
 What is the composition of the
 pebbles? and other deposits? if there are not carbonates or
 other water soluable constiuentes then we may have to accept
 the flow of carbon dioxide as the cause of the water like
 erosion caused by the heating and cooling  on mars.
 where is the bog iron and limestone or other precipitates
 which would be formed by water? As much as I would wish for
 life and water on mars I see nothing to convince me yet.
 Cheers 
 Steve Dunklee
 --- On Thu, 5/30/13, Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov
 wrote:
 
  From: Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Pebbly Rocks Testify to Old
 Streambed on Mars (MSL)
  To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Thursday, May 30, 2013, 7:01 PM
  
  http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-181 
  
  
  Pebbly Rocks Testify to Old Streambed on Mars
  Jet Propulsion Laboratory
  May 30, 2013
  
  PASADENA, Calif. - Detailed analysis and review have
 borne
  out
  researchers' initial interpretation of
 pebble-containing
  slabs that
  NASA's Mars rover Curiosity investigated last year:
 They are
  part of an
  ancient streambed.
  
  The rocks are the first ever found on Mars that
 contain
  streambed
  gravels. The sizes and shapes of the gravels embedded
 in
  these
  conglomerate rocks -- from the size of sand particles
 to the
  size of
  golf balls -- enabled researchers to calculate the
 depth and
  speed of
  the water that once flowed at this location.
  
  We completed more rigorous quantification of the
 outcrops
  to
  characterize the size distribution and roundness of
 the
  pebbles and sand
  that make up these conglomerates, said Rebecca
 Williams of
  the
  Planetary Science Institute, Tucson, Ariz., lead author
 of a
  report
  about them in the journal Science this week. We ended
 up
  with a
  calculation in the same range as our initial estimate
 last
  fall. At a
  minimum, the stream was flowing at a speed equivalent
 to a
  walking pace
  -- a meter, or three feet, per second -- and it was
  ankle-deep to
  hip-deep.
  
  Three pavement-like rocks examined with the telephoto
  capability of
  Curiosity's Mast Camera (Mastcam) during the rover's
 first
  40 days on
  Mars are the basis for the new report. One, Goulburn,
 is
  immediately
  adjacent to the rover's Bradbury Landing touchdown
 site.
  The other
  two, Link and Hottah, are about 165 and 330 feet
 (50 and
  100 meters)
  to the southeast. Researchers also used the rover's
  laser-shooting
  Chemistry and Camera (ChemCam) instrument to
 investigate the
  Link rock.
  
  These conglomerates look amazingly like streambed
 deposits
  on Earth,
  Williams said. Most people are familiar with rounded
 river
  pebbles.
  Maybe you've picked up a smoothed, round rock to skip
 across
  the water.
  Seeing something so familiar on another world is
 exciting
  and also
  gratifying.
  
  The larger pebbles are not distributed evenly in the
  conglomerate rocks.
  In Hottah, researchers detected alternating
 pebble-rich
  layers and sand
  layers. This is common in streambed deposits on Earth
 and
  provides
  additional evidence for stream flow on Mars. In
 addition,
  many of the
  pebbles are touching each other, a sign that they
 rolled
  along the bed
  of a stream.
  
  Our analysis of the amount of rounding of the pebbles
  provided further
  information, said Sanjeev Gupta of Imperial College,
  London, a
  co-author of the new report. The rounding indicates
  sustained flow. It
  occurs as pebbles hit each other multiple times. This
 wasn't
  a one-off
  flow. It was sustained, certainly more than weeks or
 months,
  though we
  can't say exactly how long.
  
  The stream carried the gravels at least a few miles,
 or
  kilometers, the
  researchers estimated.
  
  The atmosphere of modern Mars is too thin to make a
  sustained stream
  flow of water possible, though the planet holds large
  quantities of
  water ice. Several types of evidence have indicated
 that
  ancient Mars
  had diverse environments with liquid water. However,
 none
  but these
  rocks found by Curiosity could provide the type of
 stream
  flow
  information published this week. Curiosity's images of
  conglomerate
  rocks indicate that atmospheric conditions at Gale
 Crater
  once enabled
  the flow of liquid water on the Martian surface.
  
  During a two-year prime mission, researchers are using
  Curiosity's 10
  science instruments to assess

[meteorite-list] Ebays new shipping policy

[Steve Dunklee]

under the new overseas shipping policy you send your package to a shipping 
service, which then sends and tracks your package to the customer. The customer 
will no longer be able to claim they did not get the package. 
an improvement over previous policy.
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[meteorite-list] virus protection

[Steve Dunklee]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Execution_Prevention

dtata execution prevention prevents most virus programs

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Re: [meteorite-list] Terminal burst altitude vs. entry angle

[Steve Dunklee]

the only way for a low detonation of a small meteorite would  be if it fell at 
a low angle like less than6 degrees so it could survive to penetrate deeper. a 
larger piece it wouldnt make any difference.
cheers
Steve


--- On Tue, 3/26/13, Larry Atkins thetop...@aol.com wrote:

 From: Larry Atkins thetop...@aol.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Terminal burst altitude vs. entry angle
 To: robert.d.mat...@saic.com, jkellybea...@comcast.net, 
 c...@alumni.caltech.edu, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, March 26, 2013, 3:38 AM
 Hi Rob, All,
 
 I've always been fascinated with the Carancas event. Wasn't
 that a rewrite the books, rule breaker? What might the
 results have been had the Russian meteor acted in the same
 manner and hit a large city dead center? I doubt the locals
 would be running around picking up meteorites!
 
 
 Sincerely,
 Larry Atkins
  
 IMCA # 1941
 Ebay alienrockfarm
  
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com
 To: Kelly Beatty jkellybea...@comcast.net;
 Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu;
 meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:19 pm
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Terminal burst altitude vs. entry
 angle
 
 
 Hi Kelly,
 
  ... what Mike Farmer says agrees with Boslough's
 assessment: had the
  impactor come in more vertically, its terminal burst
 would have been
  lower ...
 
 Since the dynamic pressure on the bolide is a function of
 the square
 of its velocity and the atmospheric density, it seems to me
 that a
 steeper entry angle must cause the body to break up at a
 higher
 altitude, not lower. A shallower entry angle allows the
 meteoroid
 more time to bleed off cosmic velocity in the thin upper
 atmosphere.
 With that lower velocity, the dynamic pressure that will
 cause breakup
 of the meteoroid does not occur until a lower altitude is
 reached
 where the atmospheric density is correspondingly higher.
 
 I *did*, however, fail to take into consideration the
 projected area
 aspect of the problem. In the more vertical case, the
 shockwave is
 projected into a smaller area; in essence, there is less
 volume
 available to absorb all that energy. That may be more than
 enough to
 outweigh the slightly higher breakup altitude.  --Rob
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Scientists Find Crater inMeteorite-Hit Lake

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Duh? As I have been saying all along the impact from behind of a second object 
caused the detonation and also deflected the main mass causing it to fall 10 
meters or 16.5 degrees away from its expected trajectory. Meteorites unless 
deflected will land falling nearly perpendicular to the earths surface. The 1.9 
ton main mass of Jilin made a hole in the ground perpendicular to the earths 
surface. The second object of Cherbukul  also split the vapor trail as it 
caught up to and impacted the main mass at mach7

Cheers
Steve



--- On Fri, 3/22/13, Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de wrote:

 From: Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Scientists Find Crater inMeteorite-Hit 
 Lake
 To: Murray Paulson murray.paul...@gmail.com, Bernd V. Pauli 
 bernd.pa...@paulinet.de, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Friday, March 22, 2013, 8:36 AM
 
 Murray, the lake is about 15 meters deep, with a thick layer
 of mud on the ground.
 
 Dirk: happy birthday, very best wishes to Tokyo :-)
 
 Best
 Matthias
 
 - Original Message - From: Murray Paulson murray.paul...@gmail.com
 To: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de;
 Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Scientists Find Crater
 inMeteorite-Hit Lake
 
 
 Hi:
 
 Do we know how deep this lake is? 10 meters may or may not
 be much of
 an issue. A second thing is the possibility that the ice
 shifted since
 the impact.
 
 Murray
 
 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
 wrote:
  Popov said the crater is not located directly beneath
 the
   hole in the ice, but is some 10 meters to one
 side of it.
  
  = the bolide's flight path had a slope of 16½°
 [?!]
  
  Cheers, Bernd
  
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Scientists Find Crater inMeteorite-Hit Lake

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oops almost forgot! If the frontal pressure exceeds tensile strength it causes 
the entire object to vaporise. meaning there would be nothing less than dust 
left of the meteorite. and nothing left to make a hole in the ice.
Cheers 
Steve

--- On Fri, 3/22/13, Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Scientists Find Crater inMeteorite-Hit 
 Lake
 To: Murray Paulson murray.paul...@gmail.com, Bernd V. Pauli 
 bernd.pa...@paulinet.de, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Matthias 
 Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de
 Date: Friday, March 22, 2013, 10:27 AM
 Duh? As I have been saying all along
 the impact from behind of a second object caused the
 detonation and also deflected the main mass causing it to
 fall 10 meters or 16.5 degrees away from its expected
 trajectory. Meteorites unless deflected will land falling
 nearly perpendicular to the earths surface. The 1.9 ton main
 mass of Jilin made a hole in the ground perpendicular to the
 earths surface. The second object of Cherbukul  also
 split the vapor trail as it caught up to and impacted the
 main mass at mach7
 
 Cheers
 Steve
 
 
 
 --- On Fri, 3/22/13, Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de
 wrote:
 
  From: Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Scientists Find
 Crater inMeteorite-Hit Lake
  To: Murray Paulson murray.paul...@gmail.com,
 Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de,
 Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Friday, March 22, 2013, 8:36 AM
  
  Murray, the lake is about 15 meters deep, with a thick
 layer
  of mud on the ground.
  
  Dirk: happy birthday, very best wishes to Tokyo :-)
  
  Best
  Matthias
  
  - Original Message - From: Murray Paulson
 murray.paul...@gmail.com
  To: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de;
  Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Scientists Find
 Crater
  inMeteorite-Hit Lake
  
  
  Hi:
  
  Do we know how deep this lake is? 10 meters may or may
 not
  be much of
  an issue. A second thing is the possibility that the
 ice
  shifted since
  the impact.
  
  Murray
  
  On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
  wrote:
   Popov said the crater is not located directly
 beneath
  the
    hole in the ice, but is some 10 meters to one
  side of it.
   
   = the bolide's flight path had a slope of
 16½°
  [?!]
   
   Cheers, Bernd
   
   
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[meteorite-list] Vortex simulation, heavy reading for smoke trail study

[Steve Dunklee]

Enjoy
http://www.unix.eng.ua.edu/~japalmore/papers/discrete_vortex_sim-RChen.pdf
Cheers
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Re: [meteorite-list] How much will your meteorites be worth in the FUTURE?

[Steve Dunklee]

The dry rocket fuels use chlorinated hydrocarbons which punch a hole in the 
ozone. this spreads out to cover an area of 2500 miles after two weeks. There 
is not much chlorine in most meteorites. the weather effects were not published 
as public knowlege  but were severe enough for congress to enact legistlation 
banning NASA from launching anything over the continental US that alters the 
weather. All launches since 1986 have been over the Atlantic, Pacific, or Gulf 
but not directly over the US.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061213204549AA7MhIG

I know you will like this link it says the ozone depletion is false  but every 
time a shuttle launched in the 1980s we had strange weather in Michigan Within 
two weeks. and the repeated introduction of chlorinated hydrocarbons  as in 
hundreds of thousands of tons by rockets will effect our climate.

http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=6835

Cheers Steve

--- On Sun, 3/10/13, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote:

 From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How much will your meteorites be worth in the 
 FUTURE?
 To: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com, Shawn Alan 
 photoph...@yahoo.com, h...@meteorhall.com
 Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sunday, March 10, 2013, 9:05 AM
 Hey Steve!
 
 Man, there must be a helluva rip in the ozone layer along
 the entry path of that Chelyabinsk fall in the Urals. It's
 been a couple of weeks, so what do you think we..uh, rather
 they... should be watching out for?
 
 I don't know what your smoking, but I'd like to get some.
 Contact me off List.
 
 Guido     
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com
 Sent: Mar 9, 2013 11:58 PM
 To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com,
 h...@meteorhall.com
 Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How much will your
 meteorites be worth in the    FUTURE?
 
 I believe the site forgot to mention the primary value
 of astroids will be as material we do not have to launch
 into space. The metals and anything with water will have a
 great value for use in space construction, but the
 achondrites that lack metal with have little value in space
 construction. The cost of bringing anything back to earth
 from space will preserve metorite prices, with the possible
 exception of achondrites ans lunars. Bringing samples back
 from mars would in most cases increase the price as we would
 have to build a facility to launch vehicals from mars which
 is why most reasonable proposed mars missions are a one way
 trip with no return. A space elevator would would lower
 costs  some but the biggest Problem of sending stuff
 into space is the large hole it makes in the ozone layer
 every time we send up a rocket. Launches of the shuttle over
 the US in the 1980s caused disruptions in the weather which
 included a rare tornado in december in
  michigan. and most Hurricanes have been exactly two
 weeks after a major launch of a rocket over the area of the
 hurricane.
 Cheers
 Steve Dunklee
 
 --- On Sun, 3/10/13, h...@meteorhall.com
 h...@meteorhall.com
 wrote:
 
  From: h...@meteorhall.com
 h...@meteorhall.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How much will your
 meteorites be worth in the FUTURE?
  To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com
  Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Sunday, March 10, 2013, 6:53 AM
  Looking into the crystal pallasite
  ball, in the year 2025, I see
  achondrite fragments at $1.00 per gram! However,
 they will
  lack the
  beautiful fusion crust of our meteorites. Besides,
 due to
  the UN Universal
  Museum Convention of 2035, all of our meteorites
 will be
  confiscated as
  historical and/or cultural artifacts...JUST
 KIDDING! Just
  fooling. That
  doesn't happen until 2075. :-)
  Fred
  
  
   Hello Listers
  
   Ever wonder how much an asteroid would yield
 in profit,
  gold, platinum,
   o2, hydrogen? Well a website called http://www.asterank.com/ has done
   that.
  
   There are over 600,000 asteroids and counting
 that are
  listed on the
   website, where one can categorize in value,
 profit, or
  accessibility.
  
   Germania is value at $100 trillion with
 estimated value
  return to be
   around $97 trillion. However, Germania is
 located 3.3
  AU, so the distance
  
   can be a factor, but once technology
 improves,
  asteroids will have endless
   supplies of natural resources. Lastly,
  
   There has been talks that by 2014, there will
 be
  asteroid hunting space
   crafts in orbit.
  
  
   Now in 20 to 30 year, will meteors coming into
 Earths
  atmosphere and
   impacting with the Earth be the thing of the
 past?
  
   What will that do to meteorite collecting and
 will
  prices increase or
   decrease because the average joe can go to
 the
  
   local Walmart and pick up a rock kit with over
 5 pounds
  of rock from
   space? Or will it make the meteorite a rare

[meteorite-list] Hurricanes and rockets

[Steve Dunklee]

Spacex launched October 7th 2012 over the Pacific from Florida using mostly 
solid fuel propellant. two weeks later on October 29th we have hurricane Sandy.
http://www.space.com/17942-spacex-dragon-space-cargo-launch-pictures.html

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hurricanes/archives/2012/h2012_Sandy.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] How much will your meteorites be worth in the FUTURE?

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I believe the site forgot to mention the primary value of astroids will be as 
material we do not have to launch into space. The metals and anything with 
water will have a great value for use in space construction, but the 
achondrites that lack metal with have little value in space construction. The 
cost of bringing anything back to earth from space will preserve metorite 
prices, with the possible exception of achondrites ans lunars. Bringing samples 
back from mars would in most cases increase the price as we would have to build 
a facility to launch vehicals from mars which is why most reasonable proposed 
mars missions are a one way trip with no return. A space elevator would would 
lower costs  some but the biggest Problem of sending stuff into space is the 
large hole it makes in the ozone layer every time we send up a rocket. Launches 
of the shuttle over the US in the 1980s caused disruptions in the weather which 
included a rare tornado in december in
 michigan. and most Hurricanes have been exactly two weeks after a major launch 
of a rocket over the area of the hurricane.
Cheers
Steve Dunklee

--- On Sun, 3/10/13, h...@meteorhall.com h...@meteorhall.com wrote:

 From: h...@meteorhall.com h...@meteorhall.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How much will your meteorites be worth in the 
 FUTURE?
 To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com
 Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sunday, March 10, 2013, 6:53 AM
 Looking into the crystal pallasite
 ball, in the year 2025, I see
 achondrite fragments at $1.00 per gram! However, they will
 lack the
 beautiful fusion crust of our meteorites. Besides, due to
 the UN Universal
 Museum Convention of 2035, all of our meteorites will be
 confiscated as
 historical and/or cultural artifacts...JUST KIDDING! Just
 fooling. That
 doesn't happen until 2075. :-)
 Fred
 
 
  Hello Listers
 
  Ever wonder how much an asteroid would yield in profit,
 gold, platinum,
  o2, hydrogen? Well a website called http://www.asterank.com/ has done
  that.
 
  There are over 600,000 asteroids and counting that are
 listed on the
  website, where one can categorize in value, profit, or
 accessibility.
 
  Germania is value at $100 trillion with estimated value
 return to be
  around $97 trillion. However, Germania is located 3.3
 AU, so the distance
 
  can be a factor, but once technology improves,
 asteroids will have endless
  supplies of natural resources. Lastly,
 
  There has been talks that by 2014, there will be
 asteroid hunting space
  crafts in orbit.
 
 
  Now in 20 to 30 year, will meteors coming into Earths
 atmosphere and
  impacting with the Earth be the thing of the past?
 
  What will that do to meteorite collecting and will
 prices increase or
  decrease because the average joe can go to the
 
  local Walmart and pick up a rock kit with over 5 pounds
 of rock from
  space? Or will it make the meteorite a rare
 
  commodified object, more or less a reminder of what
 once was a common
  occurrence but now is story left told in
 
  the history books, and meteorites will be view a relics
 and controlled 
  artifact? Only time will tell :)
 
  But til then, check out http://www.asterank.com/  and plan your next
  expedition to an asteroid :)
 
 
  Shawn Alan
  IMCA 1633
  ebay store
  http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
  http://meteoritefalls.com/   
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Re: [meteorite-list] Is this oriented?

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I have been collecting meteorites with wings. realy hard to find they  are. the 
meteorite has to be spinning very fast to ablate a wing. they usualy end up 
looking like a bent up boat propeller.
Cheers
Steve

--- On Tue, 3/5/13, Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote:

 From: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this oriented?
 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2013, 8:19 AM
 Hi Don and List,
 
 Some years ago someone (I think it was Jim Strope) coined
 the word
 flight-marked as opposed to flight oriented and you might
 thus call
 your specimen flight-marked if it fits into that
 category unless it
 meets all the requirements Mike Farmer mentioned in his
 post!
 
 Cheers,
 
 Bernd
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Is this oriented?

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actually after looking at them again. both nwa 869 samples i have are wing 
shaped.
http://encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/test/31890_2529_244.jpg

http://encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/test/31890_2528_244.jpg
cheers
steve



--- On Tue, 3/5/13, Paul Gessler cetu...@shaw.ca wrote:

 From: Paul Gessler cetu...@shaw.ca
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this oriented?
 To: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com
 Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2013, 11:03 AM
 Can you share some pictures of your
 wing shapes?
 Very interested,
 
 Paul Gessler
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: Steve Dunklee
 Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 2:54 AM
 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 ; Bernd V. Pauli
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this oriented?
 
 I have been collecting meteorites with wings. realy hard to
 find they  are. 
 the meteorite has to be spinning very fast to ablate a wing.
 they usualy end 
 up looking like a bent up boat propeller.
 Cheers
 Steve
 
 --- On Tue, 3/5/13, Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
 wrote:
 
  From: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this oriented?
  To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2013, 8:19 AM
  Hi Don and List,
 
  Some years ago someone (I think it was Jim Strope)
 coined
  the word
  flight-marked as opposed to flight oriented and you
 might
  thus call
  your specimen flight-marked if it fits into that
  category unless it
  meets all the requirements Mike Farmer mentioned in
 his
  post!
 
  Cheers,
 
  Bernd
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] CTBTO COMPREHENSIVE TEST BAN TREATY ORG

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--- On Thu, 2/28/13, Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] CTBTO
 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, February 28, 2013, 7:23 AM
 http://www.space.com/19860-russia-meteor-explosion-largest-detected.html
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[meteorite-list] CTBTO

[Steve Dunklee]

http://www.space.com/19860-russia-meteor-explosion-largest-detected.html
enjoy
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoroid/Asteroid Electro-Magnetic Disruption and Charge Properties?

[Steve Dunklee]

Ouch!
 Imagine the extra energy released if the detonation occured inside a 
thunderhead? I had a physics instructor who thought small amounts of nuclear 
reactions were caused by lightning as in nitrogen converted to ozone. He said 
keep your eyes open. Just because something is improbable it doesnt make it 
impossible. Some detonations happen when pressures get to high as stated by 
Chris Peterson but others happen when the forward pressure suddenly drops 
causing expasion or instability.  most are the result of some kind of forward 
pressure change be it up or down.
cheers
Steve

--- On Thu, 2/28/13, James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 From: James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoroid/Asteroid Electro-Magnetic Disruption 
 and Charge Properties?
 To: Garry Stewart xe...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, 
 steve.dunk...@yahoo.com, drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com
 Date: Thursday, February 28, 2013, 4:52 AM
 Hi Dirk, 
 
 A very small amount of equivalent energy is involved with
 free electron release.  Perhaps the moving electrons
 cause localized magnetic fields, but far lower than those
 needed to have large-scale charge separation. 
 
 I can see the electron clouds on the radar because free
 electrons are conductive.  But energy exchange is kept
 pretty locally.
 
 Now, posing in intriguing situation - lets say a
 russian-like event occurs over a supercell
 thunderstorm.  It could skim across the anvil. 
 The line of conducting plasma would short circuit the
 heavily charge separated areas (Charges migrate due to the
 supercooled freezing process).  I think you would get a
 nice lightshow.  
 
 Kind of interesting...  CC meteortites, low
 pressure.  Volatile amino acids, carbon, and
 lightning,  Would be a nice situation for early life
 forms.
   
 
 --- On Wed, 2/27/13, drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 From: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoroid/Asteroid
 Electro-Magnetic Disruption and Charge Properties?
 To: Garry Stewart xe...@yahoo.com,
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,
 steve.dunk...@yahoo.com
 Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 2:15 AM
 
 Garry and Steve,  Most excellent posts and information; 
 thank you.
 
   Further to my original question.  Would/should we expect
 that there may be ground-to-air electro-stactic response
 (lightning) prior to the arrival of the physical body to
 physical contact with the earth; and has this been simulated
 or captured on video?  
 Dirk Ross...Tokyo
 
 --- On Wed, 2/27/13, Garry Stewart xe...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Garry Stewart xe...@yahoo.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoroid/Asteroid
 Electro-Magnetic Disruption and Charge Properties?
  To: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com
  Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 4:33 PM
  Hi Dirk and List,
  This link http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/atomic/nukeffct/enw77b1.html
  explains the propagation of atomic shockwaves with
  interesting pictures of shockwave propagation.  It
 can
  explain the effects on meteoric 
  explosions at high altitude.  Interesting read but
 very
  long article and detailed.
  
  
  
  
  - Original Message -
   From: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com
   To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Cc: 
   Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:59 AM
   Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoroid/Asteroid
  Electro-Magnetic Disruption and Charge Properties?
   
   Dear List,
   If there is anyone willing to discuss the how and
 why
  meteoroids/asteroids 
   detonate please explain for the list and
 myself.  I
  am interested 
   learning more about the
 electrical/mechanical/physical
  forces that these bodies 
   undergo as they reach the earth such as in the
 latest
  Russian event. Thank you.
   Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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[meteorite-list] Russian crater source of diamonds.

[Steve Dunklee]

http://www.delivermediamonds.com/will-russian-astroid-diamond-source-ruin-the-market/
cheers
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Re: [meteorite-list] two fireballs

[Steve Dunklee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenv=dBvotWfR3j4NR=1
26 seconds in on this video you clearly see two fireballs with the second one 
catching up to and impacting the first one.
The first one makes a shockwave and area behind it with less air pressure. 
the shock wave at over 10k mph is like a brick wall and acts like a funnel. 
Like following an 18 wheel semi truck too close to save gas. when the truck 
hits its brakes the suv behind it impacts. and kaboom. Meteors donT HAVE BRAKES 
AND CANT CHANGE VECTORS. So when the first piece is slowed down the following 
ones catch up.
Cheers
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Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk 1.8 kg mass found - 105 year period?

[Steve Dunklee]

2118? Did you have to mention Aphophis?
Cheers
Steve Dunklee


--- On Tue, 2/26/13, Robin Whittle r...@firstpr.com.au wrote:

 From: Robin Whittle r...@firstpr.com.au
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk 1.8 kg mass found - 105 year period?
 To: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 12:58 AM
 Hi Martin,
 
 Thanks for this link:
 
  source: http://rt.com/news/meteorite-rush-biggest-fragment-404/
 
 in which someone commented:
 
   Every 105 years? 1803 L'Aigle, 1908 Tungusta, 2013
 Chelyabinsk, 2118?
 
 Being a meteorite newbie I didn't recognise the first
 reference, but found:
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Aigle_%28meteorite%29
 
     In the early afternoon of 26 April 1803 a
 meteorite shower of
     more than 3000 fragments fell upon the town of
 L'Aigle in Normandy
     (France).
 
     . . .
 
     The L'Aigle event was a real milestone in the
 understanding of
     meteorites and their origins because at that
 time the mere
     existence of meteorites was harshly debated,
 if they were
     recognised their origin was controversial,
 with most commentators
     agreeing with Aristotle that they were
 terrestrial, and witnessed
     meteorite falls were treated with great
 skepticism.
 
     It is a L6 type ordinary chondrite.
 
 
  - Robin
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] two fireballs

[Steve Dunklee]

HI Yall
  I have a problem with this paragraph.


The following is my disassembly of that video with strictly the
relevant frames.  No post-processing has been done, simply brought
the original MP4 container down, decompressed the 1920x1080p/20fps
transport into raw 8bit 4:2:0 YUV frames [the native frames], and
mapped them into lossless 24bit PNGs.

Most dash cams are 15fps  and 640x280 not 1080p hd high resolution. especially 
considering the highest resolution youtube uses is 720p.
Nice snow job. was pmg not mp4
Cheers Steve


--- On Tue, 2/26/13, Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org wrote:

 From: Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] two fireballs
 To: Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 1:51 AM
 [Note: frame references refer to my
 attached disassembly]
 
 Hello Chris and all,
 
 I agree: I don't see any impact event, certainly no
 shockwave is visible in
 the bright frames.
 
 I see the object of interest traveling away from the camera
 on a
 steep angle and, between blooming and DCT errors, obscuring
 itself.
 The digital iris tries its darndest to figure out what to do
 with
 itself, and actually makes some pretty good decisions around
 frame 63
 giving us some pretty nice images.
 
 There certainly does appear, however, to be more than one
 parallel
 path suggesting more than one component of the mass by frame
 65/66.  There's also some
 pretty good sized component being shed earlier.
 
 Chris, have a look at frames 64-80 in this disassembly to
 see if you
 concur.
 
 The following is my disassembly of that video with strictly
 the
 relevant frames.  No post-processing has been done,
 simply brought
 the original MP4 container down, decompressed the
 1920x1080p/20fps
 transport into raw 8bit 4:2:0 YUV frames [the native
 frames], and
 mapped them into lossless 24bit PNGs.
 
 The video as I pulled it is an MPEG 4.2 container with AVC,
 High L4.0 Profile, VBR @
 4.714-9.011Mbps, 20fps constant, progressive 4:2:0 YUV 16:9
 encoding.
 
 One reframe, GOP M=1,N=40.
 
 The original timecode is branded: UTC 2013-02-14 04:06:50,
 but
 there's no way of knowing how accurately the DVRs clock was
 maintained.
 
 
 105 frames contained, ~102MB here:
 
 http://www.spaceballoon.org/chelyabinsk-meteor-frames-from-dash.zip
 
 Fair Use is assumed, and all rights are retained by their
 original
 holder.
 
 Best Regards,
 
 --- Jodie
 
 Monday, February 25, 2013, 5:05:46 PM, you wrote:
 
  You are confusing optical aberrations for what is
 happening physically.
  Not only are there no components of the fireball
 colliding with other 
  components, but no shock wave structures are apparent,
 either.
 
  Analyzing very bright point sources in video is
 difficult, as there are
  lens reflections, lens distortion, and various sensor
 artifacts. It's 
  hard to actually locate the center of the meteor from
 such data.
 
  Chris
 
  ***
  Chris L Peterson
  Cloudbait Observatory
  http://www.cloudbait.com
 
  On 2/25/2013 5:56 PM, Steve Dunklee wrote:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenv=dBvotWfR3j4NR=1
  26 seconds in on this video you clearly see two
 fireballs with the second one catching up to and impacting
 the first one.
       The first one makes a shockwave
 and area behind it with less air pressure. the shock wave at
 over 10k mph is like a brick wall and acts like a funnel.
 Like following an 18 wheel semi truck too close to save gas.
 when the truck hits its brakes the suv behind it impacts.
 and kaboom. Meteors donT HAVE BRAKES AND CANT CHANGE
 VECTORS. So when the first piece is slowed down the
 following ones catch up.
  Cheers
  Steve Dunklee
 
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[meteorite-list] The Dunklee effect

[Steve Dunklee]

Some people are claiming the meteorite was shot down. I described what happend 
several years a go after watching a meteorite that fell over Colorado . As the 
meteorite approaches the earth it breaks up  from earths gravity into several 
pieces traveling the same path. as the leading piece is slowed down by the 
atmosphere, its wake creates a vacume that allows the trailing pieces to catch 
up an impact the leading piece, and if the trailing pieces are big enough they 
impact hard enough to make everything blow up.
There are several utube videos that show this happening. heres one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LizHgQ44ShI

Have a great day
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mistaken for one of the Meteorite Men :-)

[Steve Dunklee]

I Dont think he was confused. You have been selling meteorites for years and 
have now recieved celebrity status! He wants a signed photo of the person who 
sold him his meteorite. Kind of like having an author sign a book. Wouldnt you 
like a signed photo of Nininger?
Cheers
Steve

--- On Sat, 12/1/12, Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mistaken for one of the Meteorite Men :-)
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Saturday, December 1, 2012, 8:09 AM
 Hi all,
 
 I was recently written to by a purchaser of an item sold on
 eBay who
 lives in China. He started his email 'Hi Meteorite Man' and
 requested
 a signed photo of me to be sent along with his purchase
 :-)  Now
 although I am happy to oblige with a signed photo of me I
 feel that he
 may be a tad disappointed when he receives it!  ;-)
 
 What to do?! ;-)
 
 Geoff,  Steve,  what do you suggest?  Maybe
 you could send him a
 signed photo as I am sure he would be much happier with
 that.
 
 Of course he may genuinely just want a signed photo of me, I
 mean who
 wouldn't! On that note, any list members that would like a
 signed
 photo just let me know and I will be happy to oblige ;-)
 
 Cheers all
 
 Martin (not the meteorite man)
 -- 
 Martin Goff
 www.msg-meteorites.co.uk
 IMCA #3387
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Re: [meteorite-list] Glass from the desert.

[Steve Dunklee]

Bill and all:
 The area he found it in is desert with a population density less than 1 per 
square mile for thousands of years. I was thinking of going there to look for 
meteorites, as it would be similar to looking in the arctic regions.
cheers
Steve

--- On Mon, 11/26/12, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote:

 From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glass from the desert.
 To: alph...@rambler.ru
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Monday, November 26, 2012, 8:39 PM
 
 Cinder material, volcanic and industrial, has been
 transported and used for thousands of years. You can find it
 in mortar, road beds and farm fields. I remember picking it
 up all the time as a kid while walking along railroad lines.
 Railroad track beds were built on it.
 
  
  From: alph...@rambler.ru
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:37:24 +0400
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Glass from the desert.
  
  
  Hi all! 
  I found a glass rock in the desert of Uzbekistan.
 Similar to the volcanic pumice, but we have no volcanoes. I
 ask all who are interested to see and comment on the
 findings: 
  http://www.meteoritics.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=733 
  Thank you in advance for your answers!
  
  (Paste this link into Google translator from Russian to
 English) 
  
  Yours faithfully.
  Aleksandr.
  Navoi сity.
  Uzbekistan.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Water cutting question

[Steve Dunklee]

Floride which is added to tap water in some areas is more reactive than 
chlorine. Adam has been cutting meteorites for years. Hard to find any fault 
with experience like his.
Cheers
Steve

--- On Wed, 11/28/12, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Water cutting question
 To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 2:32 AM
 I am more concerned with the
 chemicals added to and the metals contained within our
 drinking water than the pH level so long as it is
 somewhere near a pH level of 7.0.  If I wouldn't dream of
 drinking the tap water, I certainly wouldn't want to
 jump-start chemical reactions within meteorites by using it
 as a coolant.
 
 By the way, the TDS and pH levels change throughout the day
 here.  The incoming tap water TDS levels are much higher in
 the morning than the afternoon.   I use Potassium Hydrogen
 Phthalate which has pH level of 4.00 and Mixed Phosphate
 with a pH level of 6.86 to occasionally calibrate my
 meters.
 
 I do not like the idea of adding anything to the cutting
 coolant and have produced some very stable pieces using
 self-filtered and sometimes distilled water.
 
 I have seen meteorites ooze some pretty nasty greenish brown
 juice like Gubura and Brenham within a few months after
 being cut with tap water.  Who knows what started the
 reaction, perhaps chlorine?
 
 
 Kindest Regards,
 
 Adam
 
 
 Adam
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net
 To: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com;
 Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com;
 Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Water cutting question
 
 Adam and List...(curious me, and although I'm not cutting
 yet, will soon.)
 
 The question: given any local water's TDS and variable
 ambient pH in all of our waters vs. using distilled
 water...why not use a commercial standard buffer 7.0?
 
 -Richard M
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com
 To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com;
 Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Water cutting question
 
 
  Great Info Adam!
  Sincerely
  Don Merchant
  - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
  To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Water cutting question
  
  
  I remeasured the PH and TDS levels of my incoming tap
 water and again after being filtered.
  
  Before filtering After Charcoal and RO Filtering
  
  TDS: 515 PPM 31 PPM
  PH: 7.7 7.1
  
  
  It looks like 7 stage RO filtering made the water move
 towards PH neutral from being on the basic side. A reading
 of 7 would be considered perfect neutral so I am happy with
 a PH reading of 7.1. I would rather have it lean towards
 basic than acidic which is the case here. On the other hand,
 the TDS level of the incoming tap water exceeds EPA
 standards! I wouldn't dare drink the tap water here. Might
 end up with a case of kidney stones!
  
  I don't think meteorites would be happy with the tap
 water here. I will do chemical testing in a few weeks. I
 hope there is no chloramine in our system as is the case in
 California.
  
  Kind Regards,
  
  Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Water cutting question

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boiling tap water and adding baking soda like a teaspoon a gallon after 
boiling, should remove all the nasty corosive stuff. a good non corosive 
cutting fluid with good ccooling can be made with corn oil, pine sol or spic n 
span, and water. flouride or chlorine are realy not good to have in any cutting 
solution if you want rust prevention. the boiling should remove both. Plus if 
you have to do a lot of cutting, the corn oil solution is not considered a 
hazardous waste and is less likely to kill you if you dont use an air mask.
Cheers
Steve Dunklee

--- On Wed, 11/21/12, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Water cutting question
 To: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com, Ed Deckert 
 edeck...@triad.rr.com, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com
 Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 9:02 AM
 Hello Mendy, Mike, Ed, and All, 
 
 I've been told that chloramine doesn't out-gas like
 chlorine does.  
 We in California have to cognizant of this additive to our
 drinking water. 
 
 http://www.purewaterproducts.com/articles/removing-chloramines
 
 http://www.chloramine.org/chloraminefacts.htm
 
 This Subject comes up every so often on this List, and the
 oft-repeated disclaimer is that readers new to the List
 should run a search in the List-Archives on this subject
 for a review of past comments and observations. 
 
 Bob V.
 
 --- On Tue, 11/20/12, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Water cutting question
  To: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com,
 Ed Deckert edeck...@triad.rr.com
  Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 3:58 PM
  Seems to me that if you recirculate
  the water, all that out-gassing is for naught as the
 blade
  will re-aerate the water.
  
  
  Mendy
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com
  To: Ed Deckert edeck...@triad.rr.com
  
  Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  
  Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Water cutting
  question
   
  Ed and list,
  
  I do not know of an exact way to calculate, but
 a
  few minutes at
  around 29 inches Hg of vacuum (sea level),
  especially on a hot plate
  and with a little aggitation, will remove about
 all
  of the dissolved
  gasses.
  
  Michael in so. Cal.
  
  On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Ed Deckert
 edeck...@triad.rr.com
  wrote:
  
   Hi Michael,
  
   Is there a method to calculate how long
 to
  leave a specific volume of water
   at a specific vacuum (inches Hg) to ensure
 that
  it is degassed?
  
   Thanks,
   Ed
  
   - Original Message - From:
 Michael
  Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com
   To: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com
   Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:08 PM
   Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Water
 cutting
  question
  
  
   Pete and list,
  
   Unfortunately the method you use does
 not
  effectively de-gas water, as
   exposure to the atmosphere will allow
  atmospheric gasses to continue
   to dissolve into solution; it is the
  atmospheric gasses that cause
   water to be corrosive.  To de-gas
 water
  you can:
  
   - Boil it
   - Sonicate under vacuum
   - Use a vacuum degasser
   - Bubble He through it
   - Etc.
  
   But unless you store your degassed
 water in
  an
  air-tight container
   gasses will begin to dissolve back
 into
  solution almost immediately.
  
   Michael in so. Cal.
  
   On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Pete
 Pete
  rsvp...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
  
  
   I do!
  
   I fill all my old distilled four
 litre
  jugs with tap water and let them
   sit with the caps off for about
 seven
  days.
   A chemist buddy of mine said it
 takes
  about 24 hours for any chlorine and
   other gasses to dissipate, but
 with the
  narrow neck and relatively small cap
   opening, to be prudent, after a
 couple
  of days I give it each jug a shake
   and leave it again for a few
 more.
  
   Cheers,
   Pete
  
  
  From: mikest...@gmail.com
   Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012
 11:17:37
  -0800
   To: raremeteori...@yahoo.com
   CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
 Water
  cutting question
  
   Adam, Mike, Carl, and list:
  
  
   The main constituents in
 pure
  water that cause corrosion are
   dissolved gasses. Does anyone
  de-gas their cutting water?
  
   Michael in so. Cal.
  
   On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:43
 AM,
  Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
   wrote:
   
   
Who knows what chemicals
 lurk
  in tap water? By purifying it, you are 
removing the unknowns. I
 have
seen, for lack of a
 better
  term, Lawrencite disease creep up, 
especially with tap water
 that
  contains

Re: [meteorite-list] Spiders from Mars

[Steve Dunklee]

When I look at google earth  where I live, The trees make shadows looking 
similar to the dark spiders. I would be guessing here but the dark shapes do 
look like the shape of a shadow caused by a gyser. It would also explain the 
orientation of them being similar as the shadows are all in the same direct

--- On Fri, 10/5/12, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Spiders from Mars
 To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Friday, October 5, 2012, 4:36 PM
 They look like common creosote bushes
 to me.  I would worry about about a Mars Desert Rattler
 hiding under one of them.
 
 Of course, I am just kidding, but maybe
 
 Adam
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: i...@moonmarsrocks.com
 i...@moonmarsrocks.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 
 Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 9:08 AM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Spiders from Mars
 
 Fascinating new photos from Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter that
 show
 strange black spidery objects. 
 Oooh yeah, Ziggy played guitar...
 
 http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/spidery-black-objects-mars-surface-raise-speculation-184239849.html
 
 Daniel Noyes
 Genuine Moon  Mars Meteorite Rocks
 www.moonmarsrocks.com
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Roadside Hunting and Ownership

[Steve Dunklee]

All of this really depends on the state you live in and the state laws. It is 
up to each individual to research this for the area they plan to search.
Typically in Arkansas counties, the land owner owns the property to the 
center of the roadway, or as described in the deed where cities have claimed 
ownership.
In most cases you own the property to the center of the road so the acreage 
can still be taxed. Yet the county or state retains right of way.
If you have a road on your property and buy all the land on both sides of 
the road . you can have the road closed if you own the entire length of the 
road.
   It may be that in BLM lands, the BLM still owns the land of the road yet 
maintains a right of way to the state.
   Cheers
Steve Dunklee

--- On Wed, 10/3/12, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote:

 From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Roadside Hunting and Ownership
 To: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com, Meteorite List 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2012, 8:15 PM
 Hey Michael and List,
 
 All you have to do..is what I have done. Call, or Email, the
 source at BLM that I posted and propose the question. Why
 are we doubting each other on the LIST? You want the truth
 as much as I do.
 
 Guido
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com
 Sent: Oct 3, 2012 10:47 AM
 To: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net,
 Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Roadside Hunting and
 Ownership
 
 Count Deiro and list,
 
 Really?  Well I guess I learned my new thing for
 the day and I can go home!  :)
 
 I've never come across anything like the Count described
 before, I am
 assuming it's only practiced in remote rural
 locations?  Now my
 curiosity have been sparked, as state departments of
 transportaion are
 typically VERY protective of their right-of-ways, a case
 can be made
 for them being more stringent than the BLM in several
 regards.  Even
 my boss, who had double my years of experience, had
 never heard of
 this.  I would love to see a specific example, time
 to do some
 research!
 
 Best,
 Michael in so. Cal.
 
 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net
 wrote:
  Dear List,
 
  Michael has said that BLM does not manage any
 federal or state right of way
  systems. That information may be partially, or
 completely, incorrect. The
  BLM has co-operating land management agreements
 with federal, state and
  county right of way owners in most western states,
 Nevada, as an example and
  DOES manage the land under those right of ways and
 it's uses.
 
  My source is the BLM:
 
  Las Vegas Field Office
  4701 North Torrey Pines Drive
  Las Vegas, NV 89130
  Phone: 702-515-5000
  Fax: 702-515-5023
  Office hours: 7:30 am-4:30 pm, M-F
  Field Manager: Bob Ross
  Email: lvfo...@blm.gov
 
  Best regards,
 
  Count Deiro
 
  IMCA 3536
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
 From: Michael Mulgrew
 Sent: Oct 3, 2012 9:55 AM
 To: Meteorite List
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Roadside Hunting
 and Ownership
 
 Brian and List,
 
 I am a practicing Civil Engineer and have a lot
 of experience with
 road right-of-ways. Generally the right-of-way
 for Federal highways
 are owned by the State through which they pass.
 States acquire the
 right-of-way and build the highways and then can
 apply for the
 acceptance into the Federal system, but
 sometimes for cost and other
 reasons only part of a highway may be introduced
 into the Federal
 system (such as the recent extension of
 I-210/SR-210 in southern
 California). The rural road example you give
 would be one where an
 easement for access across private land has been
 granted for purposes
 of road construction, operation, and
 maintenance. In the case you
 cite the easement probably only extends from
 edge of pavement to edge
 of pavement, thus the ditch is considered
 private. Ownership of road
 rights-of-way should be discoverable at your
 local County offices.
 
 The BLM does not manage right-of-ways with the
 Federal or any of the
 State systems, so this new BLM policy would not
 apply to finds made
 there. Finds made there would technically belong
 to the people of the
 State in which it was found, and that State's
 individual rules should
 apply.
 
 Best,
 Michael in so. Cal.
 
 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Brian Burrer
 wrote:
 
  Greetings List,
 
  I have been following with interest the
 recent chatter concerning BLM
  regulations; questions arise in my mind
 concerning roadside
  recoveries.
  I would guess that ownership of the find
 could vary widely depending
  on what roadside it was found on.
  Rural county roads in Texas are typically
 privately owned; the land
  under the road is owned by individuals who
 pay taxes on it just like
  the rest of their land. The road is public
 but the bar-ditch is
  private; ownership clearly falls to the
 landowner.
  But what

Re: [meteorite-list] Critical Assessment of the Comet as Provider of Earth's Waters

[Steve Dunklee]

If the oceans were from comet impacts both the moon and mars would have similar 
amounts of water. Or shall we delve into the atmosphere of Venus? Things at the 
beginning of the system were most probably interesting. why not just accept it 
was  random bombardment and outgassing from solar radiation which caused a 
variety of  planets and planetismals.

--- On Wed, 10/3/12, MstrEman mstre...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: MstrEman mstre...@gmail.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Critical Assessment of the Comet as Provider of 
 Earth's Waters
 To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2012, 6:53 AM
  What do we know about the origin of
 the earth's oceans? Is it more
 likely that they derive from icy comets that struck the
 young earth or
 from material released from the earth's interior during
 volcanic
 activity?
 
 Full Article at
 http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=what-do-we-know-about-the
 
 Tobias C. Owen of the Institute for Astronomy in Honolulu,
 Hawaii,
 offers this overview:
 This is a very good question, because we do not yet have an
 answer
 that everyone accepts.
 
 The origin of the oceans goes back to the time of the
 earth's
 formation 4. 6 billion years ago, when our planet was
 forming through
 the accumulation of smaller objects, called planetesimals.
 There are
 basically three possible sources for the water. It could
 have (1)
 separated out from the rocks that make up the bulk of the
 earth; (2)
 arrived as part of a late-accreting veneer of water- rich
 meteorites,
 similar to the carbonaceous chondrites that we see today; or
 (3)
 arrived as part of a late-accreting veneer of icy
 planetesimals, that
 is, comets.
 
 The composition of the ocean offers some clues as to its
 origin. If
 all the comets contain the same kind of water ice that we
 have
 examined in Comets Halley and Hyakutake- -the only ones
 whose water
 molecules we've been able to study in detail-- then comets
 cannot have
 delivered all the water in the earth's oceans. We know this
 because
 the ice in the comets contains twice as many atoms of
 deuterium (a
 heavy isotope of hydrogen) to each atom of ordinary hydrogen
 as we
 find in seawater.
 
 At the same time, we know that the meteorites could not
 have
 delivered all of the water, because then the earth's
 atmosphere would
 contain nearly 10 times as much xenon (an inert gas) as it
 actually
 does. Meteorites all carry this excess xenon. Nobody has yet
 measured
 the concentration of xenon in comets, but recent laboratory
 experiments on the trapping of gases by ice forming at low
 temperatures suggest that comets do not contain high
 concentrations of
 the xenon. A mixture of meteoritic water and cometary water
 would not
 work either, because this combination would still contain a
 higher
 concentration of deuterium than is found in the oceans.
 
 Hence, the best model for the source of the oceans at the
 moment is a
 combination of water derived from comets and water that was
 caught up
 in the rocky body of the earth as it formed. This mixture
 satisfies
 the xenon problem. It also appears to solve the deuterium
 problem--but
 only if the rocky material out near the earth's present
 orbit picked
 up some local water from the solar nebula (the cloud of gas
 and dust
 surrounding the young sun) before they accreted to form the
 earth.
 Some new laboratory studies of the manner in which deuterium
 gets
 exchanged between hydrogen gas and water vapor have
 indicated that the
 water vapor in the local region of the solar nebula would
 have had
 about the right (low) proportion of deuterium to balance the
 excess
 deuterium seen in comets.
 
 The point to emphasize here is that this is a model, a
 working
 hypothesis that must be rigorously tested by many
 additional
 measurements. We need to study more comets. We also need to
 learn more
 about the water on Mars, where we have another chance to
 investigate
 the sources described above. On the earth, plate tectonics
 has caused
 oceanic water to mix considerably with material from the
 planet's
 interior; such contamination probably did not occur on Mars,
 where
 plate tectonics does not seem to occur. These investigations
 (and
 other related studies) are currently under way. This is an
 active area
 of research!
 
 James C. G. Walker of the University of Michigan confirms
 that
 conclusion, adding his perspective:
 
 The best current thinking is that volatiles (elements and
 compounds,
 including water, that vaporize at low temperatures) were
 released from
 the solid phase as the earth accreted. Thus, the earth and
 its oceans
 and atmosphere grew together.
 
 During accretion, the kinetic energy of the colliding
 planetesimals
 was converted into thermal energy, so the earth grew
 extremely hot as
 it came together. The material forming the earth was
 probably too hot
 for ice to have been a major carrier of water. Most of the
 water was
 probably present 

[meteorite-list] NEO LAST NIGHT

[Steve Dunklee]

Saw an near earth object last night @4:45am central time. First saw it just 
below polaris in the northern sky with a brightness like Venus at its 
brightest. where it started was obscured by a roof. It continued in an 
easternly direction passing the bottom of Cassiopea and faded out just to its 
left in i think the bottom of  ?Draco?
Found no postings on heavens above for an astroid passing by so if im first 
this ones name is Lesa2012.
Cheers
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Re: [meteorite-list] The bet - Sutter Mill

[Steve Dunklee]

the radar returns the little stuff that falls like rain. The main mass is 6 or 
more miles away in the french curve of the fall
Cheers
Steve

--- On Tue, 5/8/12, Jim Wooddell nf11...@npgcable.com wrote:

 From: Jim Wooddell nf11...@npgcable.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] The bet - Sutter Mill
 To: Meteorite-List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, May 8, 2012, 1:35 PM
 The other day at breakfast with Dr.
 Peter Jenniskens, I bet him a $1
 that this meteor went Puff during the explosion (three
 break ups???), blowing
 and burning it to less than dust where no big stones (Kilo
 sized) are going to be found.
 Nothing I can see in the strewn (on the ground) really even
 indicates a sizeable
 strewn field.
 While I hope I am wrong and I loose that bet, I think these
 stones are going to
 be really rare in collections and not everyone is going to
 get a chance of having these
 in not only institutional collections for research , but
 private collections as well.
 
 
 
 Jim
 
 
 
 
 Jim Wooddell
 http://k7wfr.us
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] NEO LAST NIGHT

[Steve Dunklee]

irridium flare? u got to be Fing kidding! It moved from the north star to out 
of site the same as every naked eye neo  posted on heavens above.

--- On Wed, 5/9/12, Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com wrote:

 From: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NEO LAST NIGHT
 To: c...@alumni.caltech.edu, meteoritelist meteoritelist 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 4:02 PM
 
  
 
  
 
 My first thought was an iridium flare. 
 
  
 
 Cheers,
 
 Pete
  
 
 
  Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 09:37:37 -0600
  From: c...@alumni.caltech.edu
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NEO LAST NIGHT
  
  There are no NEOs anywhere near that bright. The only
 orbiting object 
  that bright is the ISS. Most likely, this was a VERY
 near Earth object, 
  like an airplane or weather balloon.
  
  Chris
  
  ***
  Chris L Peterson
  Cloudbait Observatory
  http://www.cloudbait.com
  
  On 5/9/2012 9:15 AM, Steve Dunklee wrote:
   Saw an near earth object last night @4:45am
 central time. First saw it just below polaris in the
 northern sky with a brightness like Venus at its brightest.
 where it started was obscured by a roof. It continued in an
 easternly direction passing the bottom of Cassiopea and
 faded out just to its left in i think the bottom of ?Draco?
   Found no postings on heavens above for an astroid
 passing by so if im first this ones name is Lesa2012.
   Cheers
   Steve
  
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[meteorite-list] http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2012/04/26/meteorite-hunters-scour-hills-near-sutters-mill-site-of-the-california-gold-rush/

[Steve Dunklee]

http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2012/04/26/meteorite-hunters-scour-hills-near-sutters-mill-site-of-the-california-gold-rush/

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[meteorite-list] Give en ur two cents!

[Steve Dunklee]

Upset about high prices at the store and gas pump? Give em ur two cents! Buy 
two cents worth of gas at the pump and two cents worth of cheeze at the wal 
mart deli. and pay with your Debit or credit card. Congress authorized 14 cent 
fees per transaction with credit or debit cards, so for a change you will cost 
them money and if prices go down you will have more to spend on meteorites! The 
 new thin section of Sau 001  I got from Marmet Meteorites is awesome!
Cheers
Steve Dunklee
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Re: [meteorite-list] I don't know to start looking........

[Steve Dunklee]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_March_7,_1970

cheers
Steve

--- On Thu, 3/22/12, pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com 
pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com wrote:

 From: pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com 
 pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] I don't know to start looking
 To: The List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, March 22, 2012, 3:43 AM
 Hello list,
 I don't even know how to beguin this.
 Sometime between 1967 and 1972 while at an 
 Air Force radar site, there was a complete
 Solar eclipse that happened at the 
 Kotzebue AFB on the coast of Alaska.
 I vividly remember the teminator raceing 
 across the tundera toward me. 
 Dogs were barking, chickens squaking and all
 the animals started to bed down. Then there
 was the econd terminator, with all the animals
 going nuts all over again.
 It was the most thrilling site I've ever
 seen.
 Any one that could help me pin down the date and
 time?
 Thanls,
 Pete
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] I don't know to start looking........

[Steve Dunklee]

The link i gave listed all the total eclipses and the paths draw your own 
conclusions
Cheers
Steve

--- On Thu, 3/22/12, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I don't know to start looking
 To: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com, The List 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com
 Date: Thursday, March 22, 2012, 5:08 AM
 Steve, Pete,
 
 Kotzebue was on the very edge of the eclipse
 track. It wouldn't have bee noticeable from
 there. The pathe of totality never got closer
 to Kotzebue than Florida.
 
 
 Sterling K. Eebb
 
 - Original Message - From: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com
 To: The List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
 pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 11:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I don't know to start
 looking
 
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_March_7,_1970
  
  cheers
  Steve
  
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 pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com
 wrote:
  
  From: pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com
 pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com
  Subject: [meteorite-list] I don't know to start
 looking
  To: The List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Thursday, March 22, 2012, 3:43 AM
  Hello list,
  I don't even know how to beguin this.
  Sometime between 1967 and 1972 while at an
  Air Force radar site, there was a complete
  Solar eclipse that happened at the
  Kotzebue AFB on the coast of Alaska.
  I vividly remember the teminator raceing
  across the tundera toward me.
  Dogs were barking, chickens squaking and all
  the animals started to bed down. Then there
  was the econd terminator, with all the animals
  going nuts all over again.
  It was the most thrilling site I've ever
  seen.
  Any one that could help me pin down the date and
  time?
  Thanls,
  Pete
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components

[Steve Dunklee]

This has been a nice discussion withought negative bashing of peoples beliefs. 
Meteorites and cosmic dust is the closest we may come in our lives to setting 
on soil outside our solar system. Time will tell what the truth is. Just love 
everyone as best you can.
Cheers
Steve

--- On Mon, 3/12/12, e...@meteoritesusa.com e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote:

 From: e...@meteoritesusa.com e...@meteoritesusa.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's 
 Components
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Monday, March 12, 2012, 4:08 AM
 Good points Richard, Michael, (I will
 apologize in advance for the length of this post; I started
 writing a couldn't stop)
 
 Divine Creation vs Natural Formation. That is the question.
 That is a VERY large part of why I love meteorites so much.
 Meteorites have allowed me a look into the universe and
 answer some very important personal, spiritual, and
 scientific questions as to the origins of Earth, the
 planets, and ourselves. Meteorites are keys to unlocking our
 past, the formation of Earth, the solar system, stars,
 galaxies, and ultimately the universe itself.
 
 The problem with the divine creation (anthropomorphic
 creator) hypothesis is that it's an assumption of
 observance. In other words the watchmaker paradox. The
 universe exists, how did it come to be? Something must have
 created it. Right? Not necessarily. That my friends is an
 absolute assumption.
 
 And the argument should stop right there, but it doesn't.
 Believers will argue that something can't come from nothing
 and non-believers will argue that everything came from what
 we perceive as nothing. (The Big Bang) Science and
 non-believers go one step further and say We don't know
 what happened before the Big Bang. That is intellectual
 honesty and good science. And this might be offensive to
 some, and I'm sorry if offends, but speculating that an
 anthropomorphic deity started it, is pure speculation,
 because no one knows what happened before, in the beginning,
 and it creates the creator to explain the unexplained
 formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained stop
 and start at I don't know, lets find out. instead of god
 did it.?
 
 Evolution, Panspermia, Transpermia, Abiogenesis, Planetary
 Science, Astrobiology, Astronomy, Anthropology, Archeology,
 they all help explain the universe and world around us.
 
 Meteorites specifically are absolutely a vital clue to
 unlocking the secrets of the universe because they (the
 asteroids and comets that make them) not only are they the
 very material that formed our planet, every single planet,
 planetesimal, asteroid, comet, meteoroid, and spec of dust
 floating around our star was once part of another star
 before, as are we. It's a cycle, a system, a circular system
 of formation and destruction, somewhere in between life
 formed.
 
 Why create a creator to explain the unexplainable? Why not
 instead use science to determine origins rather than
 speculate on a divine supernatural beginning. Empirical
 evidenced fact outweighs speculative assumption every time.
 We are in fact part of nature, not separate from it. We need
 not transpose an anthropomorphic creatot to explain
 something we don't yet know.
 
 Regardless of whether there is a divine creator, or not, no
 one can prove it empirically either way. (yet) That's what
 science is for. If there is, science will find out, if there
 is not, science will find out. Either way, the truth will
 only be the truth when we prove it with evidence, not
 speculative assumption of the observable.
 
 Regards,
 Eric
 
 
 
 
 
 Quoting Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net:
 
  Hi Michael and List (a different Richard here!)
  
  Contrary to the often mis-conception that 'religion'
 and 'God' are
  interchangeable...and considering the 'dangerous'
 ground upon which a
  discussion of this sort may be inappropriate for the
 meteoritical
  discussion hereallow me this thought:
  
  A person of 'faith' may not rule out transpernmia in
 theory;  it simply
  expands the pie.  A 'religious' person tied
 tether-bound to a strick
  doctrine may reject such an 'outlandish' notion
 out-of-hand, as it
  disrupts the entire reality from which their foundation
 is built.
  
  In short, (in my small and insignificant yet human
 perspective), it
  should be rational to allow both transpermia and a
 perspective of God
  that trancends all current 'views' of even
 Christianity, allowing for
  all three to co-existjust a thought
  
  Richard Montgomery
  
  
  - Original Message - From: Michael Blood
 mlbl...@cox.net
  To: Dick Lipke richardli...@comcast.net;
 Meteorite List
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another
 Way to Make
  Life's Components
  
  
  Hi Richard,
  
        As an Anthropologist
 I can assure you all religions have NOT
  Viewed God as male - some 

[meteorite-list] Solar flares (ot) ? or are ions meteorites?

[Steve Dunklee]

What level of flare would cause death on earth from radiation and is it 
possible? like just the flare going in the wrong direction.
cheers
Steve
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[meteorite-list] Free meteorite ebooks

[Steve Dunklee]

http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/browse?type=lcsubckey=Meteorite%20craters

cheers
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fossilized Fruit or meteorite

[Steve Dunklee]

Take a look at this.
http://benedante.blogspot.com/2010/07/dinosaur-eggs.html
cheers
Steve

--- On Fri, 3/2/12, Larry Atkins thetop...@aol.com wrote:

 From: Larry Atkins 
 thetohttp://benedante.blogspot.com/2010/07/dinosaur-eggs.htmlp...@aol.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fossilized Fruit or meteorite
 To: meteoritem...@gmail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Friday, March 2, 2012, 7:08 PM
 Hi Mike, List,
 
 I'd like to see inside but but I've not yet windowed it. I'm
 in no 
 hurry to damage it, just in case it's special. I can say
 that in hand 
 you can see there are small chondrule like features and
 chunks of 
 darker rock. There are also some dark, metallic looking
 things. The 
 pictures do it no justice. The thing that cast's doubt in my
 mind is 
 the fact that there is no attraction whatsoever to the super
 magnet.
 
 It's probably petrified fruit or a dino egg, or a
 concretion, or any 
 one of the other things people have suggested. The odds of
 it being a 
 rare meteorite are infinitely small, this I'm well aware
 of.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Sincerely,
 Larry Atkins
  
 IMCA # 1941
 Ebay alienrockfarm
  
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
 To: Paul Gessler cetu...@shaw.ca
 Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Fri, Mar 2, 2012 11:53 am
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fossilized Fruit or meteorite
 
 
 Wow, Paul has a valid point. That is definitely not a
 meteorite, but
 it could be something very interesting nonetheless. :)
 
 Are you going to window it?
 
 --
 ---
 Galactic Stone  Ironworks - MikeG
 
 Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com
 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
 Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone
 RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
 eBay: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle
 ---
 
 
 On 3/2/12, Paul Gessler cetu...@shaw.ca
 wrote:
  Larry:
 
  I don’t think that is a meteorite. But the “flow”
 lines looked 
 puzzling
  until I remembered my experience with finding
 fossilized fruits
  on the Queen Charlotte Islands in BC. Canada
 
  I think it is a fossilized fruit of some sort.
 
  Spinifructus antiquus
 
  take a look here: sort of like a fig
 
  
 http://www.plantworlds.com/images/800px-Spinifructus_antiquus_fruits_01[1].jpg
 
  Still a cool find.
 
  Paul Gessler
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Larry Atkins
 
 
 
  
 http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/New%20Find%20March%201%202012/
 
  Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4846 -
 Release Date: 
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[meteorite-list] ad Viet Nam Tektites

[Steve Dunklee]

I have several hundred tektites for sale. from 10 to 90 grams. Email me off 
list if you are interested. I am asking 25 cents a gram plus shipping.
cheers
Steve Dunklee
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite shipment stopped in Argentine Customs. Probably Campos

[Steve Dunklee]

at the quoted prices i would be happy to sell my 655 gram campo!
cheers
Steve Dunklee

--- On Fri, 2/24/12, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote:

 From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite shipment stopped in Argentine 
 Customs. Probably Campos
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 5:11 PM
 We are talking large money here!
 
 Hmmm, Count, rather they talk large money...
 
 Sales value in USA 1.4 - 3.1 million USD.   
 
 2,395kg found...
 
 Would make a Campo-price per kilogram 
 
 of 
 
 585$ - 1295$  ayyy !!!
 
 
 Mike G, your turn: All sales of Campo
 
 Martin
 
 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]
 Im Auftrag von Count
 Deiro
 Gesendet: Freitag, 24. Februar 2012 17:35
 An: eduardo jawerbaum; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite shipment stopped in
 Argentine
 Customs. Probably Campos
 
 
 Listees,
 
 Anybody want to guess who set this shipment up? We are
 talking large money
 here! I expected to see a post by one of our resident
 inquisitors outing the
 dealer involved. Is the name too big?? Illegal activity on
 this scale
 doesn't do any of us any good.
 
 Count Deiro
 IMCA 3536  
 
 
 
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[meteorite-list] Steves unproven tektite theory by Steve lol!

[Steve Dunklee]

I believe the features on most tektites are produced during formation and not 
by etching. As the molten material reaches the upper atmosphere they reach a 
verry cold environment with low atmospheric pressure. The skin of the material 
is outgassing  while being exposed to sub zero temps. this outgassing while 
freezing causes the skin to crystalize in strange shapes. then they are 
smoothed off during re entry which reaches speeds over the speed of sound. when 
wet limestone mud freezes in winter it causes similar crystal formations. when 
you mash them down they look like the surface of tektites. the molten material 
travels up to 4 or 5 miles in a molten state where it is quenched by sub zero 
tempratures causing crystalization. then re heated during its fall back to 
earth. the deep sharp grooves made during cooling are rounded off during re 
melting. I have a teardrop with smooth glassy surface on one end with no 
etching. if the etching was terestrial the
 whole tektite would be etched.
Cheers
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Re: [meteorite-list] Bediasites agree with Steve's unproven tektite theory

[Steve Dunklee]

Imagine? outgasing causes a spike to form on the surface of a tektite as it 
cools 5 miles up. then as it falls the spike breaks off to form a ring at its 
base. half ring or u groove ect.
cheers Steve

--- On Fri, 2/24/12, brian burrer brim...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: brian burrer brim...@gmail.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Bediasites agree with Steve's unproven tektite 
 theory
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 9:49 PM
 Hi list,
 
 Bediasites are well known for, among other things, these two
 traits:
 
 1.Most Bediasites show ample evidence of abrasive transport
 and minor
 to severe smoothing of the surface.
 
 2.Bediasites are found in/on the basal portion of the
 Manning unit of
 the Jackson formation in Texas.  They are almost never
 encountered
 off formation.  The age of volcanic ash later/higher
 in the Manning
 is about one million years after Bediasite formation so the
 tektites
 were placed there rather soon after the event.
 
 The age of deposition of the Bediasites in the Manning would
 be about
 thirty five million years ago.  Despite the passing of
 an immense
 amount of time etching has failed to significantly alter the
 surfaces
 of the tektites.  U-grooves, V-grooves and navels all
 exist on stones
 with different amounts of ancient abrasion only slightly
 muting some
 and almost obliterating others.  If they were in an
 environment
 conducive to etching after burial Bediasites should all be
 similar to
 the Besednice hedgehog Moldavites.  The evidence
 suggests that little
 etching has occurred on most Bediasites after transport.
 
 These things taken together suggest that surface sculpture
 on
 Bediasites was a pre-existing condtion and was not developed
 by later
 etching.
 
 There is one small problem with this; the tektites did get
 some amount
 of time (less than one million years) to etch prior to their
 addition
 to the basal Manning sediments.  While it is possible
 they were
 heavily etched in their earliest years and then abrasively
 transported, it is certain they did not etch significantly
 once
 buried.
 
 
 
 Happy hunting,
 Brian
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Re: [meteorite-list] DFW event

[Steve Dunklee]

very good point! even smaller pieces may have become burried.
look for holes

--- On Fri, 2/10/12, Marc Fries mfri...@hotmail.com wrote:

 From: Marc Fries mfri...@hotmail.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] DFW event
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Friday, February 10, 2012, 7:53 PM
 
 Howdy all
 
 
 
     There has been a great deal of discussion and
 analysis on the 02 Feb
  event over the DFW metroplex. I just wanted to re-iterate a
 specific 
 point. There seems to be consensus that this event generated
 a very 
 small number of meteorites, probably to include a single
 mass of ~30-40 
 kg. I just want to point out for the sake of anyone on the
 ground that
  such a mass would have struck the ground moving at over 300
 mph. I'd be
  looking for a substantial impact pit rather than small
 meteorites 
 scattered on the ground.
 
     I'll link my blog post here, and it contains links to
 other 
 analyses. Bill Cooke's detailed analysis and strewn field
 estimation is 
 worth particular notice:
 
 
 
 http://radarmeteorites.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/tx-dfw-area-02-feb-2012-0157-utc/
 
 
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas

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The radar data is not off. It is just not understood by most people how the 
parabola of a fall can cause the actual landing area to be up to 12 miles away 
from the radar data. If you stick a french curve in an apple to represent the 
west to east fall. the termination point is north to northwest of the radar 
data.
Cheers
Steve Dunklee

--- On Tue, 2/7/12, Jim Wooddell nf11...@npgcable.com wrote:

 From: Jim Wooddell nf11...@npgcable.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas
 To: Dennis Miller astror...@hotmail.com, mccart...@blackbearddata.com, 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 4:29 PM
 Hi All!
 
 I thought it was determined the Radar data was off???
 
 And, it really is not a strewn filed until one is actually
 found!
 
 Cheers!
 
 Jim
 
 
 Jim Wooddell
 http://k7wfr.us
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Dennis Miller astror...@hotmail.com
 To: mccart...@blackbearddata.com;
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in
 Edgewood Texas
 
 
 
  Nice! I am so glad you didn't set the public price too
 high, like 
  Thousands
 
  for Ash Creek. :-) I do hope you are successful in your
 hunt. Keep us 
  posted.
 
  Missed you in Tucson! Again, Good Luck!
 
  Dennis Miller
 
 
 
  From: mccart...@blackbearddata.com
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:17:55 -0700
  Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from
 Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas
 
  Nothing has been found where the radar data said it
 might be. Torvald
  and Donavan have left the zone replaced by Stephen
 Thompson out of
  Fredricksburg TX who is an expert on Sonic Boom
 characteristics.
 
  I've been lucky enough to get some media attention
 to try to motivate
  the public to assist here is today's interview on
 TV. This is the 5 TV
  interview I've given since arriving.
 
  http://dfw.cbslocal.com/video/6713580-meteor-hunters-scouring-north-texas/
 
  We spent the day interviewing more witnesses 
 compiling and extending
  the range of sonic boom farther to the east to
 include Wills Point, and
  southern Lake Tawakanii.
 
  We'll do some field samplings tomorrow east of 19.
 
  Also as a warning. I've heard from a local that the
 landowner who owns
  the land in the north where the upper radar blip
 is, has gotten very
  hostile to all outsiders. The local warned me to
 tell everyone to stay
  off that property. He thinks the landowner may
 shoot to wound or maim.
  So I'd like everyone to take that threat to heart.
 
  At this point, we have two new important
 observations and think the
  strewnfield to be east of 19 now.
  At this point, there have been no Z sightings, but
 the Black Panther
  remains a constant threat. 5 dogs were killed.
 Also, the park rangers
  at the state park warned us that a mountain lion
 has been spotted in the
  area.
 
  Some sonic boom activity has been traced back to
 some individual using
  some kind of reactive explosive that detonates when
 shot by a bullet.
  The local police has informed us this has been a
 bit of a problem for
  weeks. Consequently, it really screws up our
 acoustical survey.
 
  and a mention and big hand to Dirk Ross, David
 Gonzales, and Marc Fries
  for giving us back support.
 
  -mccartney taylor  stephen thompson
  (meteorite hunter) (offical panther bait)
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas

[Steve Dunklee]

Might looking for ablation material with magnets be the best way to narrow down 
the fall area? The microscopic dust may be pushed by the wind, but it should be 
easier to find than the big stuff.
cheers
Steve Dunklee


--- On Tue, 2/7/12, Marc Fries mfri...@hotmail.com wrote:

 From: Marc Fries mfri...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 5:16 PM
 Rather quietly and behind the
 scenes, there has been a lot of work 
 developing the use of weather radar to detect meteorites, by
 Rob Matson, 
 Jake Schaefer, myself, my brother, and others.  It's
 been a tall 
 learning curve but I think we've made a lot of
 progress.  In my opinion, 
 the biggest unknown left at this point is to figure out
 what size of 
 meteorites and/or other debris actually show up best in
 radar data. The 
 radar reflections we see are not only reflections off of
 solid objects 
 but also from atmospheric turbulence. And we also have to
 unravel the 
 knot of reflections in the Mie scattering regime, where the
 reflected 
 signal strength varies widely - and nonlinearly - with the
 size of the 
 reflector. The upshot is that we are still working on
 sorting out what 
 radar reflection equates to what size of meteorite. If we
 see a radar 
 reflection, is it from search-worthy stones or just a cloud
 of ~1g 
 rocks, or even ablation spherules? A good part of that is
 just a matter 
 of timing, but not all of it.  Lorton, for example,
 produced a strong 
 radar signature in TDWR radar data but nothing was found
 beyond the 
 original doctors'-office-smasher, suggesting that we were
 looking at a 
 swarm of tiny rocks?  The same is true for the
 Jacksonville, IL event.
 
 This DFW fireball appears to come from a well-consolidated
 object that 
 survived a long burn time with little in the way of
 fragmentation. 
 West, TX, by comparison, fragmented extensively and produced
 a 
 beautiful, easy to follow set of radar signatures. My take
 on the DFW 
 fireball is that we're looking for a small number of large
 rocks that 
 reached the ground quickly, producing a short-lived radar
 signature that 
 requires some degree of luck to figure out.  ...or are
 we looking at 1g 
 stones that no one is going to find?  Just having that
 answer in hand 
 will tell us a lot about where to look.
 
 Still working on it...
 
 Cheers,
 Marc Fries
 
 On 2/7/12 8:46 AM, Steve Dunklee wrote:
  The radar data is not off. It is just not understood by
 most people how the parabola of a fall can cause the actual
 landing area to be up to 12 miles away from the radar data.
 If you stick a french curve in an apple to represent the
 west to east fall. the termination point is north to
 northwest of the radar data.
  Cheers
  Steve Dunklee
 
  --- On Tue, 2/7/12, Jim Wooddellnf11...@npgcable.com 
 wrote:
 
  From: Jim Wooddellnf11...@npgcable.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from
 Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas
  To: Dennis Millerastror...@hotmail.com,
 mccart...@blackbearddata.com,
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 4:29 PM
  Hi All!
 
  I thought it was determined the Radar data was
 off???
 
  And, it really is not a strewn filed until one is
 actually
  found!
 
  Cheers!
 
  Jim
 
 
  Jim Wooddell
  http://k7wfr.us
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Dennis Millerastror...@hotmail.com
  To:mccart...@blackbearddata.com;
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from
 Strewnfield in
  Edgewood Texas
 
 
  Nice! I am so glad you didn't set the public
 price too
  high, like
  Thousands
 
  for Ash Creek. :-) I do hope you are successful
 in your
  hunt. Keep us
  posted.
 
  Missed you in Tucson! Again, Good Luck!
 
  Dennis Miller
 
 
 
  From: mccart...@blackbearddata.com
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:17:55 -0700
  Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from
  Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas
  Nothing has been found where the radar data
 said it
  might be. Torvald
  and Donavan have left the zone replaced by
 Stephen
  Thompson out of
  Fredricksburg TX who is an expert on Sonic
 Boom
  characteristics.
  I've been lucky enough to get some media
 attention
  to try to motivate
  the public to assist here is today's
 interview on
  TV. This is the 5 TV
  interview I've given since arriving.
 
  http://dfw.cbslocal.com/video/6713580-meteor-hunters-scouring-north-texas/
 
  We spent the day interviewing more
 witnesses
  compiling and extending
  the range of sonic boom farther to the east
 to
  include Wills Point, and
  southern Lake Tawakanii.
 
  We'll do some field samplings tomorrow east
 of 19.
 
  Also as a warning. I've heard from a local
 that the
  landowner who owns
  the land in the north where the upper radar
 blip
  is, has gotten very
  hostile

Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas

[Steve Dunklee]

there were two radar returns and two sonic booms reported. both of the radar 
returns are in a northern direction almost parallel. this indicates the 
termination as north of the radar returns. northwest of the lake.
cheers
 Steve

--- On Tue, 2/7/12, Jim Wooddell nf11...@npgcable.com wrote:

 From: Jim Wooddell nf11...@npgcable.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas
 To: Marc Fries mfri...@hotmail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 6:50 PM
 Hi Marc and Steve and all,
 
 My comment that the radar information was off was because of
 an error in the camera location to begin searching the radar
 data?
 
 Garbage in = Garbage out.
 
 Rob figured that out and Jim Gamble confirmed Rob's
 findings.
 
 So, my statement seems to be true in at least one
 instance.  Not the fault of the radar and I felt the
 frustration!
 
 I think fine tuning on where the information to research
 comes from is key and it's improving all the time.
 
 Marc, do you have HAS numbers I could bum?  I am not
 actively searching this one, just want to see what you are
 seeing.
 
 It's a little surprising that this fireball was not clearly
 distinguished and Id'ed on radar in my mind.  Why do
 you think that is???
 
 
 As a point of information, at least on the Sky Sentinel
 network, the node operator can create a movie, regardless of
 the event capture timing.
 I can set the event capture to a very low time. 
 Because it is there to capture an event, all I need is the
 beginning time to then go back and make a movie that will
 see the entire event plus added time prior and after to
 determine any kind of flash, etc., many seconds after the
 event leaves my horizon.  It's easy and only takes a
 few minutes to do.  IOW's, the movie, is only dependent
 on the event capture to get a relative time to begin...and
 that's it.
 Knowing this, the radar guys (me included) can then call or
 email the node operator directly and get the correct
 information and datathe keyword being directly.
 Some operators, like me, may even order up the HAS data and
 have that being processed, so that order number can be
 shared as well, which can save some time as well when
 contacted!
 
 In regards to the sonic booms, that's great to hear all
 the  witnesses heard it.  However, have there been
 any time delays recorded?  I have not seen any posted.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 
 Jim
 
 
 Jim Wooddell
 https://k7wfr.us
 Parker Sentinel SkyCam
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Marc Fries mfri...@hotmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in
 Edgewood Texas
 
 
  Rather quietly and behind the scenes, there has been
 a lot of work developing the use of weather radar to detect
 meteorites, by Rob Matson, Jake Schaefer, myself, my
 brother, and others.  It's been a tall learning curve
 but I think we've made a lot of progress.  In my
 opinion, the biggest unknown left at this point is to
 figure out what size of meteorites and/or other debris
 actually show up best in radar data. The radar reflections
 we see are not only reflections off of solid objects but
 also from atmospheric turbulence. And we also have to
 unravel the knot of reflections in the Mie scattering
 regime, where the reflected signal strength varies widely -
 and nonlinearly - with the size of the reflector. The upshot
 is that we are still working on sorting out what radar
 reflection equates to what size of meteorite. If we see a
 radar reflection, is it from search-worthy stones or just a
 cloud of ~1g rocks, or even ablation spherules? A good part
 of that is just a matter of timing, but not all of it. 
 Lorton, for example, produced a strong radar signature in
 TDWR radar data but nothing was found beyond the original
 doctors'-office-smasher, suggesting that we were looking at
 a swarm of tiny rocks?  The same is true for the
 Jacksonville, IL event.
  
  This DFW fireball appears to come from a
 well-consolidated object that survived a long burn time
 with little in the way of fragmentation. West, TX, by
 comparison, fragmented extensively and produced a beautiful,
 easy to follow set of radar signatures. My take on the DFW
 fireball is that we're looking for a small number of large
 rocks that reached the ground quickly, producing a
 short-lived radar signature that requires some degree of
 luck to figure out.  ...or are we looking at 1g stones
 that no one is going to find?  Just having that answer
 in hand will tell us a lot about where to look.
  
  Still working on it...
  
  Cheers,
  Marc Fries
  
  On 2/7/12 8:46 AM, Steve Dunklee wrote:
  The radar data is not off. It is just not
 understood by most people how the parabola of a fall can
 cause the actual landing area to be up to 12 miles away from
 the radar data. If you stick a french curve in an apple to
 represent the west to east

Re: [meteorite-list] Panthers in Edgwood

[Steve Dunklee]

Yes there may be Mountain Lions or panthers in edgewood. till I followed one 
with my truck and made a plaster cast of paw prints The arkansas game and fish 
commisin denied there were panthers in Arkansas. after it killed one of my pigs 
and almost kiled some cattle theysaid please dont kill it.

--- On Tue, 2/7/12, Becky and Kirk ba...@chorus.net wrote:

 From: Becky and Kirk ba...@chorus.net
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas
 To: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net, dorifry 
 dori...@embarqmail.com, McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com, 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 10:33 PM
 Indeed---Mountain Lions have also
 been sighted and encountered in 
 South-Central Wisconsin.
 Wisconsin DNR trail cameras took pictures of at least one
 large male Cat in 
 the last year.
 
 He was encountered twice---with one time leaping over a man
 after the guy 
 entered an old barn after seeing the big cat go into the
 barn. He was also 
 seen in a tree, and his photo taken twice by trail cam.
 
 Kirk
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net
 To: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com;
 McCartney Taylor 
 mccart...@blackbearddata.com;
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in
 Edgewood Texas
 
 
  Yeah! Black panthers. We call the big desert colored
 cats we have here in 
  the Mohave..Mountain Lions. I know in certain parts
 of the North West 
  they refer to them as Panthers. In parts of Texas and
 New Mexico they 
  are Pumas and on the East Coast  Catamounts. But,
 whatever they are 
  called , they all have a light beige through brown
 coat.
 
  A neighbor found a young female asleep on his back door
 porch last year. 
  Unfortunately, she showed signs of domestication and
 was put down.
 
  Regards,
 
  Count Deiro
  IMCA 3536
 
 
  -Original Message-
 From:
 
 wm-confirm-1035168739+sub+hotbot_insite+other+CCJspark=earthlink.com-0ca38a11fbe0bc99956b0c8a17135...@lists.wired.com
 Sent: Feb 7, 2012 1:17 PM
 To: McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com,
 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from
 Strewnfield in Edgewood 
 Texas
 
 Just to clarify, there are no black panthers
 (Panthera) living in North
 America. Texas has lots of mountain lions from the
 Puma genus. Black 
 panther
 sightings are urban legends.
 
 http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/pwdpubs/media/pwd_br_w7000_0232.pdf
 
 
 Phil Whitmer
 Joshua Tree Earth  Space Museum
 - Original Message - 
 From: McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:17 AM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from
 Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas
 
 
  Nothing has been found where the radar data
 said it might be. Torvald
  and Donavan have left the zone replaced by
 Stephen Thompson out of
  Fredricksburg TX who is an expert on Sonic Boom
 characteristics.
 
  I've been lucky enough to get some media
 attention to try to motivate
  the public to assist here is today's interview
 on TV. This is the 5 TV
  interview I've given since arriving.
 
  http://dfw.cbslocal.com/video/6713580-meteor-hunters-scouring-north-texas/
 
  We spent the day interviewing more witnesses
   compiling and extending
  the range of sonic boom farther to the east to
 include Wills Point, and
  southern Lake Tawakanii.
 
  We'll do some field samplings tomorrow east of
 19.
 
  Also as a warning. I've heard from a local that
 the landowner who owns
  the land in the north where the upper radar
 blip is, has gotten very
  hostile to all outsiders. The local warned me
 to tell everyone to stay
  off that property. He thinks the landowner may
 shoot to wound or maim.
  So I'd like everyone to take that threat to
 heart.
 
  At this point, we have two new important
 observations and think the
  strewnfield to be east of 19 now.
  At this point, there have been no Z sightings,
 but the Black Panther
  remains a constant threat. 5 dogs were
 killed.  Also, the park rangers
  at the state park warned us that a mountain
 lion has been spotted in the
  area.
 
  Some sonic boom activity has been traced back
 to some individual using
  some kind of reactive explosive that detonates
 when shot by a bullet.
  The local police has informed us this has been
 a bit of a problem for
  weeks. Consequently, it really screws up our
 acoustical survey.
 
  and a mention and big hand to Dirk Ross, David
 Gonzales,  and Marc Fries
  for giving us back support.
 
  -mccartney taylor  stephen thompson
  (meteorite hunter)  (offical panther
 bait)
 
  __
 
  Visit the Archives at
  http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas

[Steve Dunklee]

always hunt in groups! the tweakers are a lot more dangerous than any wildlife. 
They will kill you for a spare tire or your shoes or coat.

--- On Tue, 2/7/12, Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com wrote:

 From: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas
 To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net, dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com, 
 McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com, 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 11:48 PM
 or the Chupacabra!
 
 
 Stuart McDaniel
 Lawndale, NC
 Secr.,
 Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
 - Original Message - 
 From: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net
 To: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com;
 McCartney Taylor 
 mccart...@blackbearddata.com;
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in
 Edgewood Texas
 
 
 Hey all,
 
 Exotic animals are a possibility all through North America,
 here is a simple
 example of how:
 http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2011/10/18/Wild-animals-loose-in-Muskingum-County.html
 
 The Everglades in Florida has many exotic animals due to
 careless or idiotic
 humans who do not cage them properly or release them into
 the wild,
 hurricanes sometimes damage buildings making it possible for
 animals to
 escape as well.
 
 To all hunting for the 'meteor' sighting in Texas, be
 careful and heed the
 warning of the legendary blank panther... I think I would be
 more concerned
 of the 2-legged meth animals out there! :)
 
 Best Regards,
 Greg
 
 
 Greg Hupé
 The Hupé Collection
 gmh...@centurylink.net
 www.LunarRock.com
 NaturesVault (eBay)
 IMCA 3163
 
 Click here for my current eBay auctions:
 http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
 
 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: dorifry
 Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:17 PM
 To: McCartney Taylor ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in
 Edgewood Texas
 
 Just to clarify, there are no black panthers (Panthera)
 living in North
 America. Texas has lots of mountain lions from the Puma
 genus. Black panther
 sightings are urban legends.
 
 http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/pwdpubs/media/pwd_br_w7000_0232.pdf
 
 
 Phil Whitmer
 Joshua Tree Earth  Space Museum
 - Original Message - 
 From: McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:17 AM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in
 Edgewood Texas
 
 
  Nothing has been found where the radar data said it
 might be. Torvald
  and Donavan have left the zone replaced by Stephen
 Thompson out of
  Fredricksburg TX who is an expert on Sonic Boom
 characteristics.
 
  I've been lucky enough to get some media attention to
 try to motivate
  the public to assist here is today's interview on TV.
 This is the 5 TV
  interview I've given since arriving.
 
  http://dfw.cbslocal.com/video/6713580-meteor-hunters-scouring-north-texas/
 
  We spent the day interviewing more witnesses
   compiling and extending
  the range of sonic boom farther to the east to include
 Wills Point, and
  southern Lake Tawakanii.
 
  We'll do some field samplings tomorrow east of 19.
 
  Also as a warning. I've heard from a local that the
 landowner who owns
  the land in the north where the upper radar blip is,
 has gotten very
  hostile to all outsiders. The local warned me to tell
 everyone to stay
  off that property. He thinks the landowner may shoot to
 wound or maim.
  So I'd like everyone to take that threat to heart.
 
  At this point, we have two new important observations
 and think the
  strewnfield to be east of 19 now.
  At this point, there have been no Z sightings, but the
 Black Panther
  remains a constant threat. 5 dogs were killed. 
 Also, the park rangers
  at the state park warned us that a mountain lion has
 been spotted in the
  area.
 
  Some sonic boom activity has been traced back to some
 individual using
  some kind of reactive explosive that detonates when
 shot by a bullet.
  The local police has informed us this has been a bit of
 a problem for
  weeks. Consequently, it really screws up our acoustical
 survey.
 
  and a mention and big hand to Dirk Ross, David
 Gonzales,  and Marc Fries
  for giving us back support.
 
  -mccartney taylor  stephen thompson
  (meteorite hunter)  (offical panther bait)
 
  __
 
  Visit the Archives at 
  http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
  Meteorite-list mailing list
  Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
 
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 http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
 Meteorite-list mailing list
 

Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas

[Steve Dunklee]

you can make meth in a coffee cup over a candle. From Oregon to Houston is the 
meth central. Dont carry any cash, wear old clothes preferably jeans and if 
confronted ask them where you can get a hit too. By being their friend? and 
taking them to get a buzz you can drop them off at the local police station. 
The young boy or girl with bad teeth and sores like scabies is a tweaker. they 
may even be over 50. if your not from Texas your an outsider and fair game.

--- On Wed, 2/8/12, Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas
 To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net, dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com, 
 McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com, 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Stuart McDaniel 
 actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
 Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 12:30 AM
 always hunt in groups! the tweakers
 are a lot more dangerous than any wildlife. They will kill
 you for a spare tire or your shoes or coat.
 
 --- On Tue, 2/7/12, Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from
 Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas
  To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net,
 dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com,
 McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com,
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 11:48 PM
  or the Chupacabra!
  
  
  Stuart McDaniel
  Lawndale, NC
  Secr.,
  Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
  - Original Message - 
  From: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net
  To: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com;
  McCartney Taylor 
  mccart...@blackbearddata.com;
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from
 Strewnfield in
  Edgewood Texas
  
  
  Hey all,
  
  Exotic animals are a possibility all through North
 America,
  here is a simple
  example of how:
  http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2011/10/18/Wild-animals-loose-in-Muskingum-County.html
  
  The Everglades in Florida has many exotic animals due
 to
  careless or idiotic
  humans who do not cage them properly or release them
 into
  the wild,
  hurricanes sometimes damage buildings making it
 possible for
  animals to
  escape as well.
  
  To all hunting for the 'meteor' sighting in Texas, be
  careful and heed the
  warning of the legendary blank panther... I think I
 would be
  more concerned
  of the 2-legged meth animals out there! :)
  
  Best Regards,
  Greg
  
  
  Greg Hupé
  The Hupé Collection
  gmh...@centurylink.net
  www.LunarRock.com
  NaturesVault (eBay)
  IMCA 3163
  
  Click here for my current eBay auctions:
  http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
  
  
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: dorifry
  Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:17 PM
  To: McCartney Taylor ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from
 Strewnfield in
  Edgewood Texas
  
  Just to clarify, there are no black panthers
 (Panthera)
  living in North
  America. Texas has lots of mountain lions from the
 Puma
  genus. Black panther
  sightings are urban legends.
  
  http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/pwdpubs/media/pwd_br_w7000_0232.pdf
  
  
  Phil Whitmer
  Joshua Tree Earth  Space Museum
  - Original Message - 
  From: McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:17 AM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield
 in
  Edgewood Texas
  
  
   Nothing has been found where the radar data said
 it
  might be. Torvald
   and Donavan have left the zone replaced by
 Stephen
  Thompson out of
   Fredricksburg TX who is an expert on Sonic Boom
  characteristics.
  
   I've been lucky enough to get some media attention
 to
  try to motivate
   the public to assist here is today's interview on
 TV.
  This is the 5 TV
   interview I've given since arriving.
  
   http://dfw.cbslocal.com/video/6713580-meteor-hunters-scouring-north-texas/
  
   We spent the day interviewing more witnesses
    compiling and extending
   the range of sonic boom farther to the east to
 include
  Wills Point, and
   southern Lake Tawakanii.
  
   We'll do some field samplings tomorrow east of
 19.
  
   Also as a warning. I've heard from a local that
 the
  landowner who owns
   the land in the north where the upper radar blip
 is,
  has gotten very
   hostile to all outsiders. The local warned me to
 tell
  everyone to stay
   off that property. He thinks the landowner may
 shoot to
  wound or maim.
   So I'd like everyone to take that threat to
 heart.
  
   At this point, we have two new important
 observations
  and think the
   strewnfield to be east of 19 now.
   At this point, there have been no Z sightings, but
 the
  Black Panther
   remains a constant

Re: [meteorite-list] Etching solution

[Steve Dunklee]

 hi! cheers!
Steve Dunklee
http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9925886








--- On Sat, 1/28/12, MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote:

 From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Etching solution
 To: mar...@westnet.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 12:46 AM
 Hi Mark,
 
 Would appreciate a reference for the nickel chloride being
 15 times
 more carcinogenic than soluble nickel nitrate.
 
 That's not what I wrote although it could be true I have no
 such reference to support the above.
 
 What I did write was:
 
 Only Nickel chloride (a result of ferric chloride etching)
 is carcinogenic at levels
 15 times lower than those produced from nitric acid
 etching.
 
 There is a huge difference between what you understood and
 what I actually wrote as threshhold toxicity levels don't
 necessarily equate to activity factors.  This is
 because the body has dozens of competing homeostatic
 (metabolic, immune/allergic, etc.) processes that relate to
 detoxification and an imbalance occurs when that one single
 straw to many put on the camel breaks its back.
 
 The reference should be any MSDS (Material Safety Data
 Sheet), just check whichever one you have access to or dig
 up first.
 
 Toxicology, especially when it comes to carcinogens is so
 complex that I don't think anyone understands it, or they
 would already gotten a billion buck grant from the NIH by
 now.  It just comes in many small pieces.  I share
 your opinion that we should reference and I'm sorry if I
 just dumped all this information for discussion, but it was
 more useful that keeping i to myself.  I've not found a
 reasonable layman's treatise anywhere on the subject so I
 figured the met list was as good as it gets without opening
 yet another research project to compete with the other ones
 I've got floundering.
 
 Anyway, the exposure limits I mention I believe are for lab
 rats approximating other mammals, like humans.  Again,
 the more you get into this the more it's hard to muzzle
 oneself becasue now we're getting further into it:
 
 so - must ask, can you breath it in (probably not in most
 cases, but definiely cover your mouth, eyes, and any other
 open oriface such as a wound when doing this.  That
 should be 'common knowledge' but really if doing it for the
 first time, maybe not.
 
 and - must ask, so how permeable is the skin to it ...
 becasue if one has a 15X lower threshhold but is 15x more
 difficult to uptake, then we'd have a wash.  Then there
 are solubility issues, but these both look like they are
 well soluble, just a glance at the MSDS will answer that.
 
 last here, but definitely not any closure, is; what's the
 significance of getting these things into ones local
 envoironment and the general environment (waters, soils,
 air, etc.).  We don't think about this but doing it out
 on the concrete patio outside of the kitchen and tossing the
 waste into the immediate area, it will dry and become
 particulate contaminants which over time the wind will
 distribute in the lungs of little boys playing there,
 through the kitchen window, etc.  Probably no big deal
 in most cases, but there is always that one case that
 something goes terribly wrong.  And getting back to the
 maximum 'permissible' exposure limit (sheesh, now to add
 residence time, cumulative properties in the body, it's head
 spinning).
 
 Which is why, in this case for a rat which is assumed to
 react as a human (but may not), at least we can point a
 finger at the threshold of toxicity, which itself is a a
 single point determined after half of the subjects have
 croaked, illustrating that half are just fine whereas it is
 toxic to half of them at even lower levels, or something
 along tose lines.
 
 As for your other reference of isopropyl vs. ethyl alcohols
 and explosion hazards, I'm sorry but perhaps someone else
 has more time to develop this properly vs. this informal
 discussion forum.  If I had time and a full lab, I
 would start by maing a ternary diagram of the two alcohols
 and nitric acid, and plot the flash point of the mixture for
 starters.  The information I saw was anecdotal and not
 rigorous nor very quantitative.  However I don't hacve
 time to spend on this subject any more due to personal
 circumstances and recommend that you try googling. 
 This is not a case of a proving beyond a reasonable doubt
 that it is more explosive.  However there are enough
 warnings out there thaty would seem to suggest more violent
 and higher incidence of isopropanol-HNO3 mixtures than the
 EtOH analog, since we are talking about personal
 safety.  Clearly Isopropyl alcohol is similar
 inproperties relating to etching that given the more
 widespread use in general metallurgy of EtOH, it's the devil
 we know better
 
 I'm convinced of the Isopropanol/ethanol issue all I need to
 be more vigilant.  But that doesn't mean I wouldn't use
 it if there was some reason to do that.  Rather than

Re: [meteorite-list] Etching solution

[Steve Dunklee]

http://multietch.com/
cheers


--- On Sat, 1/28/12, Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Etching solution
 To: mar...@westnet.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, MexicoDoug 
 mexicod...@aim.com
 Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 2:52 AM
  hi! cheers!
 Steve Dunklee
 http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9925886
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- On Sat, 1/28/12, MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com
 wrote:
 
  From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Etching solution
  To: mar...@westnet.com,
 Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 12:46 AM
  Hi Mark,
  
  Would appreciate a reference for the nickel chloride
 being
  15 times
  more carcinogenic than soluble nickel nitrate.
  
  That's not what I wrote although it could be true I
 have no
  such reference to support the above.
  
  What I did write was:
  
  Only Nickel chloride (a result of ferric chloride
 etching)
  is carcinogenic at levels
  15 times lower than those produced from nitric acid
  etching.
  
  There is a huge difference between what you understood
 and
  what I actually wrote as threshhold toxicity levels
 don't
  necessarily equate to activity factors.  This is
  because the body has dozens of competing homeostatic
  (metabolic, immune/allergic, etc.) processes that
 relate to
  detoxification and an imbalance occurs when that one
 single
  straw to many put on the camel breaks its back.
  
  The reference should be any MSDS (Material Safety Data
  Sheet), just check whichever one you have access to or
 dig
  up first.
  
  Toxicology, especially when it comes to carcinogens is
 so
  complex that I don't think anyone understands it, or
 they
  would already gotten a billion buck grant from the NIH
 by
  now.  It just comes in many small pieces.  I share
  your opinion that we should reference and I'm sorry if
 I
  just dumped all this information for discussion, but it
 was
  more useful that keeping i to myself.  I've not found
 a
  reasonable layman's treatise anywhere on the subject so
 I
  figured the met list was as good as it gets without
 opening
  yet another research project to compete with the other
 ones
  I've got floundering.
  
  Anyway, the exposure limits I mention I believe are for
 lab
  rats approximating other mammals, like humans. 
 Again,
  the more you get into this the more it's hard to
 muzzle
  oneself becasue now we're getting further into it:
  
  so - must ask, can you breath it in (probably not in
 most
  cases, but definiely cover your mouth, eyes, and any
 other
  open oriface such as a wound when doing this.  That
  should be 'common knowledge' but really if doing it for
 the
  first time, maybe not.
  
  and - must ask, so how permeable is the skin to it ...
  becasue if one has a 15X lower threshhold but is 15x
 more
  difficult to uptake, then we'd have a wash.  Then
 there
  are solubility issues, but these both look like they
 are
  well soluble, just a glance at the MSDS will answer
 that.
  
  last here, but definitely not any closure, is; what's
 the
  significance of getting these things into ones local
  envoironment and the general environment (waters,
 soils,
  air, etc.).  We don't think about this but doing it
 out
  on the concrete patio outside of the kitchen and
 tossing the
  waste into the immediate area, it will dry and become
  particulate contaminants which over time the wind will
  distribute in the lungs of little boys playing there,
  through the kitchen window, etc.  Probably no big
 deal
  in most cases, but there is always that one case that
  something goes terribly wrong.  And getting back to
 the
  maximum 'permissible' exposure limit (sheesh, now to
 add
  residence time, cumulative properties in the body, it's
 head
  spinning).
  
  Which is why, in this case for a rat which is assumed
 to
  react as a human (but may not), at least we can point
 a
  finger at the threshold of toxicity, which itself is a
 a
  single point determined after half of the subjects
 have
  croaked, illustrating that half are just fine whereas
 it is
  toxic to half of them at even lower levels, or
 something
  along tose lines.
  
  As for your other reference of isopropyl vs. ethyl
 alcohols
  and explosion hazards, I'm sorry but perhaps someone
 else
  has more time to develop this properly vs. this
 informal
  discussion forum.  If I had time and a full lab, I
  would start by maing a ternary diagram of the two
 alcohols
  and nitric acid, and plot the flash point of the
 mixture for
  starters.  The information I saw was anecdotal and
 not
  rigorous nor very quantitative.  However I don't
 hacve
  time to spend on this subject any more due to personal
  circumstances and recommend that you try googling. 
  This is not a case of a proving beyond a reasonable
 doubt
  that it is more explosive.  However there are enough
  warnings out there thaty would seem

Re: [meteorite-list] Etching solution msds ferric chloride

[Steve Dunklee]

http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9925886

also may cause laurancite disease in irons or uncontrolled rusting


cheers
steve







--- On Sat, 1/28/12, Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Etching solution
 To: mar...@westnet.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, MexicoDoug 
 mexicod...@aim.com
 Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 2:59 AM
 http://multietch.com/
 cheers
 
 
 --- On Sat, 1/28/12, Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Etching solution
  To: mar...@westnet.com,
 Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,
 MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com
  Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 2:52 AM
   hi! cheers!
  Steve Dunklee
  http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9925886
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  --- On Sat, 1/28/12, MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com
  wrote:
  
   From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com
   Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Etching solution
   To: mar...@westnet.com,
  Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 12:46 AM
   Hi Mark,
   
   Would appreciate a reference for the nickel
 chloride
  being
   15 times
   more carcinogenic than soluble nickel nitrate.
   
   That's not what I wrote although it could be true
 I
  have no
   such reference to support the above.
   
   What I did write was:
   
   Only Nickel chloride (a result of ferric
 chloride
  etching)
   is carcinogenic at levels
   15 times lower than those produced from nitric
 acid
   etching.
   
   There is a huge difference between what you
 understood
  and
   what I actually wrote as threshhold toxicity
 levels
  don't
   necessarily equate to activity factors.  This is
   because the body has dozens of competing
 homeostatic
   (metabolic, immune/allergic, etc.) processes that
  relate to
   detoxification and an imbalance occurs when that
 one
  single
   straw to many put on the camel breaks its back.
   
   The reference should be any MSDS (Material Safety
 Data
   Sheet), just check whichever one you have access
 to or
  dig
   up first.
   
   Toxicology, especially when it comes to
 carcinogens is
  so
   complex that I don't think anyone understands it,
 or
  they
   would already gotten a billion buck grant from the
 NIH
  by
   now.  It just comes in many small pieces.  I
 share
   your opinion that we should reference and I'm
 sorry if
  I
   just dumped all this information for discussion,
 but it
  was
   more useful that keeping i to myself.  I've not
 found
  a
   reasonable layman's treatise anywhere on the
 subject so
  I
   figured the met list was as good as it gets
 without
  opening
   yet another research project to compete with the
 other
  ones
   I've got floundering.
   
   Anyway, the exposure limits I mention I believe
 are for
  lab
   rats approximating other mammals, like humans. 
  Again,
   the more you get into this the more it's hard to
  muzzle
   oneself becasue now we're getting further into
 it:
   
   so - must ask, can you breath it in (probably not
 in
  most
   cases, but definiely cover your mouth, eyes, and
 any
  other
   open oriface such as a wound when doing this. 
 That
   should be 'common knowledge' but really if doing
 it for
  the
   first time, maybe not.
   
   and - must ask, so how permeable is the skin to it
 ...
   becasue if one has a 15X lower threshhold but is
 15x
  more
   difficult to uptake, then we'd have a wash. 
 Then
  there
   are solubility issues, but these both look like
 they
  are
   well soluble, just a glance at the MSDS will
 answer
  that.
   
   last here, but definitely not any closure, is;
 what's
  the
   significance of getting these things into ones
 local
   envoironment and the general environment (waters,
  soils,
   air, etc.).  We don't think about this but doing
 it
  out
   on the concrete patio outside of the kitchen and
  tossing the
   waste into the immediate area, it will dry and
 become
   particulate contaminants which over time the wind
 will
   distribute in the lungs of little boys playing
 there,
   through the kitchen window, etc.  Probably no
 big
  deal
   in most cases, but there is always that one case
 that
   something goes terribly wrong.  And getting back
 to
  the
   maximum 'permissible' exposure limit (sheesh, now
 to
  add
   residence time, cumulative properties in the body,
 it's
  head
   spinning).
   
   Which is why, in this case for a rat which is
 assumed
  to
   react as a human (but may not), at least we can
 point
  a
   finger at the threshold of toxicity, which itself
 is a
  a
   single point determined after half of the
 subjects
  have
   croaked, illustrating that half are just fine
 whereas
  it is
   toxic to half of them at even lower levels, or
  something
   along tose lines.
   
   As for your other reference of isopropyl vs.
 ethyl
  alcohols
   and explosion hazards, I'm sorry

Re: [meteorite-list] Provenance of Universities' Material

[Steve Dunklee]

They might ask what were we thinking but sure will be glad we saved them!
Cheers
Steve

--- On Wed, 1/18/12, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Provenance of Universities' Material
 To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 3:28 PM
 Hopefully the scientists and curators
 of the future will be more sample oriented.  A meteorite
 from the asteroid belt, Mars,the Moon or any other yet to be
 proven locations doesn't care where it lands.  A hundred
 years from now, future stewards of the stones may ask what
 the hell were they thinking back then?
 
 Best Regards,
 
 Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Distorted Neumann Bands . Heat effected zone

[Steve Dunklee]

you can get paper that looks like canvas at staples. then print it with a Kodak 
printer.
cheers
Steve Dunklee

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 From: Jim Wooddell nf11...@npgcable.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Distorted Neumann Bands . Heat effected zone
 To: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com
 Cc: Meteorite-List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 4:05 PM
 Hi Ruben and all!
 
 Pretty good for a UAW!
 
 It's an awesome sample!  I had a glossy 8x10 made of
 it last night and 
 bought a frame.  It's now hanging in my computer
 room.  That would look nice 
 in your room at Tucson!
 Wal-Mart has a sale going on their canvas prints.  I
 was going to have a few 
 of those made today but I just learned all their machines
 at the store here 
 are out of service.
 
 The distortion of the bands tend to make it not look flat,
 but it really is! 
 One of the better examples I've ever seen for both heat and
 distortion.
 
 I'd like to see a better exampleif there is one!!
 
 The research continues!
 
 Who's Kim?   ;)
 
 
 Jim
 
 
 Jim Wooddell
 http://k7wfr.us
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com
 To: Jim Wooddell nf11...@npgcable.com
 Cc: Meteorite-List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 8:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Distorted Neumann Bands .
 Heat effected zone
 
 
 Hi Kim,
 
 This is really cool. I saw it yesterday at ASU as I arrived
 while
 Laurence was studying the specimen. Pretty amazing that the
 heat rim
 is so pronounced.
 
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:32 AM, Jim Wooddell nf11...@npgcable.com
 wrote:
  Enjoy the picture! Makes for a really nice 8x10 for
 the wall!!
 
  http://k7wfr.us/J22.jpg
 
 
  Jim
 
 
 
 
  Jim Wooddell
  http://k7wfr.us
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Holey Iron -Has 6 Natural Holes

[Steve Dunklee]

too many vesicles that must not be a meteorite lol!

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 Subject: [meteorite-list] Holey Iron -Has 6 Natural Holes
 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 6:42 PM
 Just cleaned this 2 kilo iron
 today..  Has anyone ever seen a
 small-ish iron with more natural hoes than this?
 
 http://www.mrmeteorite.com/holeymeteorite.htm
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms faster-than-lightparticles gps accuracy

[Steve Dunklee]

My bad lol! The 14ns from gps to ground then back is 28ns multilpied by both 
sender and reciever detectors to 56ns  plus or minus 10 ns of error. It still 
seems a little large. a 60 ns difference in relativity could also be caused by 
a mass of around 6 solar masses entering our system but it would also change 
the dopplar shift on the sun. monitering the dopplar shift of the sun would be 
a pretty good way of detecting if we were nearing a dark star or other 
invisible mass. Is anyone measuring the suns shift monthly? I was of the 
understanding the newer gps units had an accuracy improved to 3ns to improve 
the accuracy of weapons from 960 feet down to 1 feet using ulf frequency 
modulation. But then CERN and Fermi may not have the use of the latest military 
tech.
Cheers
Steve Dunklee

--- On Sun, 11/20/11, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms 
 faster-than-lightparticles gps accuracy
 To: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com, 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, JoshuaTreeMuseum 
 joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com
 Date: Sunday, November 20, 2011, 10:48 PM
 Steve, List,
 
 An explanation of the experiment's relativistic error
 can be found here:
 
 van Elburg, R. A. J., 2011, Times of Flight between a
 Source and a Detector observed from a GPS satelite.
 arXiv:1110.2685v1 [physics.gen-ph]
 http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.2685
 
 PDF file at
 http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.2685v1
 
 The relativistic error is 32 ns each way, so the total
 error is 64 ns, which is exactly the time-beating pace
 of the faster-than-light neutrinos reported. It's a
 pretty straightforward error, using the baseline reference
 frame rather than the clock reference frame.
 
 
 Sterling K. Webb
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 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
 JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com
 Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 11:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms
 faster-than-lightparticles gps accuracy
 
 
 This article contains gps info and accuracy . It states it
 depends on the earths movement and other factors and gives
 an accuracy of 14 nanoseconds. A 60 nanosecond difference in
 measurements is way off the accuracy of the gps clocks.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_relativity_on_GPS#Relativity
 
 cheers
 Steve Dunklee
 
 --- On Sat, 11/19/11, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com
 wrote:
 
  From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Second experiment
 confirms faster-than-light particles
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Saturday, November 19, 2011, 2:07 AM
  
  - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert
 D.
  robert.d.mat...@saic.com
  To: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com;
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:44 PM
  Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Second experiment
 confirms
  faster-than-light particles
  
  
  Hi Phil,
  
  It was my understanding that the mystery of the CERN
  faster-than-
  light-speed neutrino result was solved over a month
 ago:
  failure
  to account for the relativistic motion of the GPS
 clocks
  used to
  time the neutrinos.
  
  GPS satellites orbit in planes inclined 55 degrees
 relative
  to
  the equator, coincidentally somewhat parallel to the
  neutrino
  flight path bearing on the ground. From the
 satellite's
  perspective,
  both the positions of the neutrino source and the
 neutrino
  detector
  are changing: in this particular case, from the
 perspective
  of the
  GPS clock, the detector is moving towards the
 neutrino
  source, and
  consequently the distance travelled by the particles
 -- as
  measured
  in the frame of the clock -- is shorter than the
 distance
  measured
  on the ground. As a result, the neutrinos should
 arrive
  about 32
  nanoseconds early: an amount that must be doubled
 because
  the same
  error occurs at each end of the experiment. So the
 total
  correction
  is 64 nanoseconds: almost exactly what the OPERA team
  observed.
  
  If they ran the experiment a second time and got the
 same
  result,
  it seems to me that it is only confirming a prediction
 of
  special relativity. --Rob
  
  -
  
  It seems unbelievable that the relativistic satellite
  motion has not been brought to their attention. I mean
 if
  you guys know about it, wouldn't they? I've also read
  elsewhere about this effect and how it could be
 skewing the
  results. I find it hard to believe they don't know
 about
  this and would not make the necessary corrections.
  
  Phil Whitmer
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms faster-than-light particles

[Steve Dunklee]

The relativistic effect of the satellites is only about 3 seconds a year. at 
36k seconds a year  its about 10 nano seconds a day. Me thinks 30 nano seconds 
might be a bit too large for the effect to be the error. It is more likely an 
error in the distance caused by the earths rotation and movement. They can use 
an phone line to see if electric signal gets there slower or faster than the 
neutrinos. or the proposed fiber optic line.

Cheers
Steve Dunklee

--- On Sat, 11/19/11, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms faster-than-light 
 particles
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Saturday, November 19, 2011, 2:07 AM
 
 - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert D.
 robert.d.mat...@saic.com
 To: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com;
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:44 PM
 Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms
 faster-than-light particles
 
 
 Hi Phil,
 
 It was my understanding that the mystery of the CERN
 faster-than-
 light-speed neutrino result was solved over a month ago:
 failure
 to account for the relativistic motion of the GPS clocks
 used to
 time the neutrinos.
 
 GPS satellites orbit in planes inclined 55 degrees relative
 to
 the equator, coincidentally somewhat parallel to the
 neutrino
 flight path bearing on the ground. From the satellite's
 perspective,
 both the positions of the neutrino source and the neutrino
 detector
 are changing: in this particular case, from the perspective
 of the
 GPS clock, the detector is moving towards the neutrino
 source, and
 consequently the distance travelled by the particles -- as
 measured
 in the frame of the clock -- is shorter than the distance
 measured
 on the ground. As a result, the neutrinos should arrive
 about 32
 nanoseconds early: an amount that must be doubled because
 the same
 error occurs at each end of the experiment. So the total
 correction
 is 64 nanoseconds: almost exactly what the OPERA team
 observed.
 
 If they ran the experiment a second time and got the same
 result,
 it seems to me that it is only confirming a prediction of
 special relativity.  --Rob
 
 -
 
 It seems unbelievable that the relativistic satellite
 motion has not been brought to their attention. I mean if
 you guys know about it, wouldn't they? I've also read
 elsewhere about this effect and how it could be skewing the
 results. I find it hard to believe they don't know about
 this and would not make the necessary corrections.
 
 Phil Whitmer
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms faster-than-light particles gps accuracy

[Steve Dunklee]

This article contains gps info and accuracy . It states it depends on the 
earths movement and other factors and gives an accuracy of 14 nanoseconds. A 60 
nanosecond difference in measurements is way off the accuracy of the gps clocks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_relativity_on_GPS#Relativity

cheers 
Steve Dunklee

--- On Sat, 11/19/11, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms faster-than-light 
 particles
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Saturday, November 19, 2011, 2:07 AM
 
 - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert D.
 robert.d.mat...@saic.com
 To: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com;
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:44 PM
 Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms
 faster-than-light particles
 
 
 Hi Phil,
 
 It was my understanding that the mystery of the CERN
 faster-than-
 light-speed neutrino result was solved over a month ago:
 failure
 to account for the relativistic motion of the GPS clocks
 used to
 time the neutrinos.
 
 GPS satellites orbit in planes inclined 55 degrees relative
 to
 the equator, coincidentally somewhat parallel to the
 neutrino
 flight path bearing on the ground. From the satellite's
 perspective,
 both the positions of the neutrino source and the neutrino
 detector
 are changing: in this particular case, from the perspective
 of the
 GPS clock, the detector is moving towards the neutrino
 source, and
 consequently the distance travelled by the particles -- as
 measured
 in the frame of the clock -- is shorter than the distance
 measured
 on the ground. As a result, the neutrinos should arrive
 about 32
 nanoseconds early: an amount that must be doubled because
 the same
 error occurs at each end of the experiment. So the total
 correction
 is 64 nanoseconds: almost exactly what the OPERA team
 observed.
 
 If they ran the experiment a second time and got the same
 result,
 it seems to me that it is only confirming a prediction of
 special relativity.  --Rob
 
 -
 
 It seems unbelievable that the relativistic satellite
 motion has not been brought to their attention. I mean if
 you guys know about it, wouldn't they? I've also read
 elsewhere about this effect and how it could be skewing the
 results. I find it hard to believe they don't know about
 this and would not make the necessary corrections.
 
 Phil Whitmer
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms faster-than-lightparticles

[Steve Dunklee]

Relativistic effect 10 nano seconds. clock error 3 to 4 nano seconds. still 
doesnt add up to the 60 nanosecond difference.
Cheers
Steve Dunklee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_relativity_on_GPS#Relativity


--- On Sun, 11/20/11, Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com wrote:

 From: Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms 
 faster-than-lightparticles
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sunday, November 20, 2011, 5:42 PM
 
 Hi, 
 I downloaded the experimenters' original paper where they
 discuss at great length all the corrections they applied and
 THAT correction is not mentioned nor acknowledged to be
 needed. So, we don't know if they were aware of it or not. 
 In this latest news piece, they do not address the
 relativistic analysis. They do address another criticism,
 that of too wide a packet length for the little neutral
 ones. 
 They suggest possibly running a fiber the 454 miles between
 the sites, to measure the light-time. It seems to me that
 if they had accounted for the relativistic effects
 beforehand (and neglected to mention it their paper), they
 would merely say so and have done with it. 
 I'm not putting any big money bets on really fast
 neutrinos, not in this frame of reference. 
 
 Sterling K. Webb 
 
 
 Sterling,
 
 Could you provide the link to the original paper?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Phil Whitmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms faster-than-lightparticles

[Steve Dunklee]

The dopplar and relativistic effect is directly dependent on the mass of the 
entire system. The measured difference in the neutrino speed might be from an 
increase in mass of our system. Light speed would not be affected as much as 
neutrinos which have mass. In short we may be nearing a large massive object 
which is bending space time and weather. We may be nearing a black hole. I 
surely hope I am wrong.
Cheers
Steve Dunklee

--- On Sun, 11/20/11, Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com wrote:

 From: Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms 
 faster-than-lightparticles
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sunday, November 20, 2011, 5:42 PM
 
 Hi, 
 I downloaded the experimenters' original paper where they
 discuss at great length all the corrections they applied and
 THAT correction is not mentioned nor acknowledged to be
 needed. So, we don't know if they were aware of it or not. 
 In this latest news piece, they do not address the
 relativistic analysis. They do address another criticism,
 that of too wide a packet length for the little neutral
 ones. 
 They suggest possibly running a fiber the 454 miles between
 the sites, to measure the light-time. It seems to me that
 if they had accounted for the relativistic effects
 beforehand (and neglected to mention it their paper), they
 would merely say so and have done with it. 
 I'm not putting any big money bets on really fast
 neutrinos, not in this frame of reference. 
 
 Sterling K. Webb 
 
 
 Sterling,
 
 Could you provide the link to the original paper?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Phil Whitmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Wet and Mild: Caltech Researchers Take the Temperature of Mars' Past (ALH84001)

[Steve Dunklee]

If the carbonates formed under the surface it may have taken years for them to 
form in a warm aquifer under the surface. At this time we still don't know 
enough to be certain. What I do know is the carbonates almost always form in 
the presence of water. At higher tempratures they tend to form soda lime glass. 
I'm not sure what happens over time at lower tempratures.
Cheers
Steve Dunklee

--- On Thu, 10/13/11, Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov wrote:

 From: Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Wet and Mild: Caltech Researchers Take the 
 Temperature of Mars' Past (ALH84001)
 To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 4:49 PM
 
 http://news.caltech.edu/press_releases/13462
 
 Wet and Mild: Caltech Researchers Take the Temperature of
 Mars' Past
 California Institute of Technology
 October 12, 2011
 
 PASADENA, Calif. - Researchers at the California Institute
 of Technology
 (Caltech) have directly determined the surface temperature
 of early Mars
 for the first time, providing evidence that's consistent
 with a warmer
 and wetter Martian past.
 
 By analyzing carbonate minerals in a four-billion-year-old
 meteorite
 that originated near the surface of Mars, the scientists
 determined that
 the minerals formed at about 18 degrees Celsius (64 degrees
 Fahrenheit).
 The thing that's really cool is that 18 degrees is not
 particularly
 cold nor particularly hot, says Woody Fischer, assistant
 professor of
 geobiology and coauthor of the paper, published online in
 the
 Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) on
 October 3.
 It's kind of a remarkable result.
 
 Knowing the temperature of Mars is crucial to understanding
 the planet's
 history - its past climate and whether it once had liquid
 water. The Mars
 rovers and orbiting spacecraft have found ancient deltas,
 rivers,
 lakebeds, and mineral deposits, suggesting that water did
 indeed flow.
 Because Mars now has an average temperature of -63 degrees
 Celsius, the
 existence of liquid water in the past means that the
 climate was much
 warmer then. But what's been lacking is data that directly
 points to
 such a history. There are all these ideas that have been
 developed
 about a warmer, wetter early Mars, Fischer says. But
 there's precious
 little data that actually bears on it. That is, until
 now.
 
 The finding is just one data point - but it's the first and
 only one to
 date. It's proof that early in the history of Mars, at
 least one place
 on the planet was capable of keeping an Earthlike climate
 for at least a
 few hours to a few days, says John Eiler, the Robert P.
 Sharp Professor
 of Geology and professor of geochemistry, and a coauthor of
 the paper.
 The first author is Itay Halevy, a former postdoctoral
 scholar who's now
 at the Weizmann Institute of Science in Israel.
 
 To make their measurement, the researchers analyzed one of
 the oldest
 known rocks in the world: ALH84001, a Martian meteorite
 discovered in
 1984 in the Allan Hills of Antarctica. The meteorite likely
 started out
 tens of meters below the Martian surface and was blown off
 when another
 meteorite struck the area, blasting the piece of Mars
 toward Earth. The
 potato-shaped rock made headlines in 1996 when scientists
 discovered
 tiny globules in it that looked like fossilized bacteria.
 But the claim
 that it was extraterrestrial life didn't hold up upon
 closer scrutiny.
 The origin of the globules, which contain carbonate
 minerals, remained a
 mystery.
 
 It's been devilishly difficult to work out the process
 that generated
 the carbonate minerals in the first place, Eiler says. But
 there have
 been countless hypotheses, he adds, and they all depend on
 the
 temperature in which the carbonates formed. Some scientists
 say the
 minerals formed when carbonate-rich magma cooled and
 crystallized.
 Others have suggested that the carbonates grew from
 chemical reactions
 in hydrothermal processes. Another idea is that the
 carbonates
 precipitated out of saline solutions. The temperatures
 required for all
 these processes range from above 700 degrees Celsius in the
 first case
 to below freezing in the last. All of these ideas have
 merit, Eiler says.
 
 Finding the temperature through independent means would
 therefore help
 narrow down just how the carbonate might have been formed.
 The
 researchers turned to clumped-isotope thermometry, a
 technique developed
 by Eiler and his colleagues that has been used for a
 variety of
 applications, including measuring the body temperatures of
 dinosaurs and
 determining Earth's climate history.
 
 In this case, the team measured concentrations of the rare
 isotopes
 oxygen-18 and carbon-13 contained in the carbonate samples.
 Carbonate is
 made out of carbon and oxygen, and as it forms, the two
 rare isotopes
 may bond to each other—clumping together, as Eiler
 calls it. The lower
 the temperature, the more

Re: [meteorite-list] Texas fireball sept4th 2011

[Steve Dunklee]

the reports from this fireball were viewed with it traveling north from 
Houston. From Corninth it was viewed to the south traveling east. From Irving 
it was viewed in the north traveling east with a sonic boom about a minute 
later. Plotting the reports and fitting in a parabolic curve for the fall It 
may have landed near Plano Texas. Would like the radar data checked northeast 
of Irving to see if we can narrow it down more!
Cheers
Steve Dunklee
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Re: [meteorite-list] New househitting meteorite some pics soon please?

[Steve Dunklee]

must be realy nice if you hesitate to cut it! 
Cheers
Steve Dunklee

--- On Thu, 9/1/11, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote:

 From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New househitting meteorite fall from Mexico
 To: James Baxter jbaxter...@pol.net
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011, 4:34 PM
 
 Yes, perfectly preserved, some scratchmarks where they used
 a key trying to scratch it, and they almost smashed it with
 a hammer to see inside, but the owner said each time he
 decided not to mess with it. Thankfully it is intact. Will
 cut an end off to classify, but not interested in chopping
 it up, needs to be preserved as intact as possible. 
 Michael Farmer
 
 
 
 --- On Thu, 9/1/11, James Baxter jbaxter...@pol.net
 wrote:
 
  From: James Baxter jbaxter...@pol.net
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New househitting
 meteorite fall from Mexico
  To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
  Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011, 10:28 AM
  Killer! Looks like the day it fell!
  
  Congratulations,
  Jim Baxter
  - Original Message -
  From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 8:37:36 AM GMT
 -08:00
  US/Canada Pacific
  Subject: [meteorite-list] New househitting meteorite
 fall
  from Mexico
  
  Hello all, one week after getting stones in Kenya
 last
  sunday I bought pieces of my househitter from Muguga
 which
  had been sent all night by bus from Mombassa, I flew
 to
  Mexico and this sunday bought another stone, a
 househitter
  from San Juan Ocotan, Zapopan, Guadalajara. 
  
  This meteorite 1,369 grams. This location is on the
 edge of
  the city, next to a massive air force base.
  
  It fell in September 2007, exact date unknown.  It
  fell at ~3:00 am and smashed through a very poor house
 which
  had a tile roof covered with a tarp and smashed into
 mud
  bricks. The stone still has marks of the blue tarp,
 and the
  tile and mud bricks embedded in the stone. It was used
 for
  two years to hold open a shop door by the homeowner
 and seen
  by another man who recognized it as something special
 and
  acquired it. He finally emailed me asking if it was a
  meteorite. 
  
  I flew to Guadalajara and bought it this weekend. It
 is in
  perfect condition, never damaged or cleaned
 thankfully, and
  while the owners family wanted to smash it to see
 inside, he
  never did!
  
   
  
  Quite a score, a Mexican hammerstone that appears to
 be a L
  or LL3! 
  
  Not for sale
  
   
  
   
  
  
  http://meteoriteguy.com/guadalajara
  
   
  
  http://meteoriteguy.com/mexicometeorite.JPG
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Plan To Place An Asteroid In Earth Orbit

[Steve Dunklee]

Greetings all:
A 10 meter astroid would be similar in size to the original size of the Ash 
Creek meteorite, or about the size but not mass of the International Space 
Station. Its most valuable use would be as  a projectile to to deflect an 100 
meter or larger NEO. If capture failed and it hit the earth it would most 
likely cause no more damage than the headlines preaching doom!
Being able to capture it and use it to deflect a larger NEO would be our 
best defence against a larger extinction event astroid. 
Cheers
Steve Dunklee


--- On Mon, 8/29/11, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Plan To Place An Asteroid In Earth Orbit
 To: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de, 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 11:01 PM
 Hi, Bernd, List,
 
 A mere 10-meter spherical asteroid? (To a physicist,
 everything is spherical at the first approximation...)
 That's 523.6 cu. meters. At a rock density of 2 to 3
 metric tons per cu. meter, that's somewhere between
 1047.2 and 1570.8 metric tons.
 
 As a disaster, it's on a par with dropping a grand piano
 on a cartoon coyote. It would be a slow approach and
 MIGHT drop 10 kilos of meteorites, but probably not
 unless it grazed the atmosphere at the correct angle.
 However, a 10-meter asteroid is a tiny playground.
 
 What if it were a 100-meter asteroid, ten times bigger,
 and lots of surface (and about 1,000,000 tons). If you
 accidentally dropped that object on the Earth, you'd
 have a 250-meter crater and 0.2 MegaTon blast.
 
 Too big to play with.
 
 A 33-meter asteroid? Airbursts at 14 kilometers and
 splatters a lot of fast fragments, but no craters. From
 this I conclude that the 10-meter asteroid grab is a
 Modest Proposal.
 
 Unless, of course, it's an iron...
 
 
 Sterling K. Webb
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 4:51 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] A Plan To Place An Asteroid In
 Earth Orbit
 
 
  Interesting idea. What could possibly go wrong?
 
  What if the nudge is a little bit too strong?
  What if the Moon interferes?
 
  What if this NEO is thus sent hurtling toward planet
 Earth?
 
  - utter devestation
  - millions of people killed
  - wildfires
  - tsunamis
  - earthquakes
  - tons and tons of material ejected into the
 atmosphere
  - etc., etc.
 
  Bernd
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] CONCEPTION JUNCTION, MISSOURI PALLASITE - AD/test

[Steve Dunklee]

Interesting composition! Might this hint the meteorite may be extra solar? a 
visitor from another star system? only time will tell!
Cheers
Steve Dunklee

--- On Sat, 8/27/11, Dave Gheesling d...@fallingrocks.com wrote:

 From: Dave Gheesling d...@fallingrocks.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CONCEPTION JUNCTION, MISSOURI PALLASITE - 
 AD/test
 To: 'Michael Fowler' mqfow...@mac.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 11:50 PM
 Michael  All,
 
 Dr. Wasson submitted his classification of the Conception
 Junction pallasite
 (PMG) to the Nomenclature Committee last month, and
 presumably it will be
 posted to the Meteorite Bulletin before long.  Since
 much of this
 information is not publicly available at the moment, please
 find below an
 excerpt from Dr. Wasson's contribution to the
 monograph.  He also complied
 an interesting chart for comparative analysis, but I'm not
 sure how to post
 that information with plain text.  Anyway, hope this
 helps answer some of
 the good questions that have been posted:
 
 The information I report here shows there is no main-group
 pallasite that
 is closely related to Conception Junction.  Conception
 Junction is unique.
 
 If I compare Conception Junction with other main group
 pallasites (PMG)
 with Au contents within 10% of that in Conception Junction
 (i.e. in the
 range 2.0 to 2.5 mg/g Au), only Seymchan and PCA 91004 have
 Ir
 concentrations within a factor of two of that in Conception
 Junction.
 
 If I sort on Ir, I find that there is no other PMG among
 the 40 that I have
 studied that has a closely similar Ir value.  The
 nearest are Pescora
 Escarpment 91004 (0.76 mg/g Ir), Seymchan (0.67 mg/g) and
 Barcis, a scarcely
 studied Russian PMG (0.32 mg/g Ir).
 
 The Co content of this sample is high (6.0 mg/g). If I
 sort my PMG data on
 the basis of Co, I find that there are three irons with
 higher Co, namely
 Krasnojarsk, Rawlinna 001 and one sample of Phillips
 County, and a couple
 more that are slightly lower, namely Springwater and
 Zaisho.
 
 The Ni content is also rather low, as is shown in the
 chart below comparing
 Conception Junction to PCA 91004, Seymchan, Barcis and
 Krasnojarsk.
 
 In summary, the composition of the metal in Conception
 Junction differs
 from all other known pallasites.
 
 All the best,
 
 Dave
 www.fallingrocks.com
 www.conceptionjunctionpallasite.com
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]
 On Behalf Of Michael
 Fowler
 Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:04 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc: Michael Fowler
 Subject: [meteorite-list] CONCEPTION JUNCTION, MISSOURI
 PALLASITE - AD/test
 
 
 
 Wasson's statement that: 
 
 .there is no main-group pallasite that is closely related
 to Conception
 Junction. Conception Junction is unique. 
 
 leaves open the question at to what is the
 classification?  Is it ungrouped,
 or perhaps, main group anomalous?
 
 I would be most interested to know the major and trace
 element analysis so I
 could form my own opinion.
 
 
 Sincerely, 
 
 Mike Fowler
 Chicago
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Issues Ohio Meteorite Alert

[Steve Dunklee]

I saw this fall at 2:22 central time which is 1:22 yankee time. I saw it out my 
west window and from my position. it must have fallen to the northwest of me in 
Missouri not Ohio. The angle it came down at I figured it should have been seen 
from Canada across ohio, Indianna, missouri Arkansas and Oklahoma. I know list 
members can check radar to narrow it down. The sonic boom sensors in north 
america should also be able to narrow down the fall location. From the time it 
fell and the direction it would have followed a paribolic path not a straight 
line. The report given assumes a straight line of travel. From my location of 
Salem Arkansas. using google maps the meteor went over the horizon in the 
direction Of Branson Missouri. or further north. at an angle about 45 degrees 
perpendicular to the horizon. with a parabolic entry it would have appeared 
first over Canada traveling in an southeasternly direction. then as it fell 
lower appeared to be traveling
 directly south over ohio and indianna. still following its parbola toward the 
center of mass it would travel west over eastern Missouri and finally fall as I 
saw it traveling northwest over western Missouri or Oklahoma. to understand 
this easier. take an old cd rom disc. draw a line on an apple to represent 
canton ohio to branson. then cram the disc in the apple at an angle of 45 
degrees. The outside edge of the cd is the meteorites path of entry as it is 
traveling so fast it will only fall out of its orbital path at the acceleration 
of gravity. from the time it first starts to glow from ablation till it cools 
is usually less than 30 seconds. its not going to make a right or left turn off 
its orbital plane which is represented by the cd disk. but it will be affected 
by 30 seconds more or less of gravity falling. Tracing the outside edge of the 
disk it appears to enter the ionisphere from the northwest. and stays on the 
edge of the cd disc till it hits
 the ground traveling in a northwesternly direction. with the exception of 
falling toward the center of mass by gravity. the meteorite cant leave its 
orbittal plane, because that would require a change in direction from its orbit 
, which is impossible.
Cheers
Steve Dunklee

--- On Thu, 8/18/11, dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 From: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Issues Ohio Meteorite Alert
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, August 18, 2011, 3:56 PM
 http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/08/18/fireball-leads-to-midwest-meteorite-alert-nasa-warns/
 
 
 
 Fireball Leads to Midwest Meteorite Alert, NASA Warns
 
 
 
 Ohio residents should be on the lookout for potential small
 meteorites that may have been created by a bright fireball
 that streaked over southern Ontario, Canada, last week, NASA
 said.
 The fireball was detected by all-sky cameras from the
 Southern Ontario Meteor Network at 1:22 a.m. EDT (0522 GMT)
 on Aug. 8.
 It was picked up over Lake Erie and proceeded
 south-southeast over Ohio, said Bill Cooke, head of NASA's
 Meteoroid Environments Office at the Marshall Space Flight
 Center in Huntsville, Ala.
 The meteor was last tracked north of Gustavus, Ohio, and
 the potential impact zone for meteorite fragments is a
 region east of Cleveland, Cooke told SPACE.com.
 When would-be meteors are traveling through space, they are
 known as meteoroids to astronomers. When they enter Earth's
 atmosphere to create fireballs, they are called meteors.
 Only fragments that actually reach Earth's surface are
 called meteorites.
 We look for ones that are moving low and slow, ones that
 penetrate deep into the atmosphere, Cooke said. Normally
 meteors burn up 40 to 50 miles (about 65 to 80 kilometers)
 over your head. This one got down to 38 km (24 miles) before
 we lost track of it, and we know it went lower.
 When a meteor penetrates low into the atmosphere and moves
 relatively slow, it can create meteorites that fall to the
 ground, Cooke explained. The fireball seen last week slowed
 to approximately 25,200 mph (40,555 kph).
 And while skywatchers around the world enjoyed spectacular
 views of the annual Perseid meteor shower last week, Cooke
 clarified that this fireball is definitely not a Perseid
 because it is moving too slowly.
 Based on the fireball's brightness and radar observations,
 the meteor's mass is estimated to be in the range of 22
 pounds (10 kilograms). This means that meteorite fragments
 will likely be pretty small, Cooke said.
 Something the size of your thumbnail, maybe a bit bigger,
 he said, estimating that any rocks found would probably be
 about three ounces (roughly 100 grams) and measure about one
 to two inches (2.5 to 5 cm) across.
 For meteorite hunters in the area, or for anyone who
 fortuitously stumbles across any pieces of space rock, Cooke
 wants to know about it, and people are encouraged to contact
 NASA's Meteoroid Environments Office if they find any
 fragments.
 But, the meteorite

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunts / Check these melons out!, more melons!

[Steve Dunklee]

they look like Cave City melons 
lol.http://www.areawidenews.com/story/1749513.html
happy meteorite hunting!
cheerrs
Steve

--- On Thu, 8/11/11, John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote:

 From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunts / Check these melons out!
 To: wahlpe...@aol.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, August 11, 2011, 4:01 AM
 G'Day Sonny
 You never cease to amaze me. You always think of others
 less fortunate.
 You truly are a meteorite hunter
 
 Cheers
 John Cabassi
 IMCA # 2125
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wahlpe...@aol.com
 [mailto:wahlpe...@aol.com]
 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:54 PM
 To: j...@cabassi.net;
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunts / Check these
 melons out!
 
 
 Hi John, Doug and All,
 
 I have plans on cutting one at work tomorrow and donating
 the second 
 one to the health care center down the street. I almost
 grabbed a third 
 melon but after carrying these two I wanted nothing to do
 with the 
 third melon!
 
 Sonny
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net
 To: wahlperry wahlpe...@aol.com;
 meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 11:46 am
 Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunts / Check these
 melons out!
 
 
 G'Day Sonny  and list130 LB of melon carried back to
 your truck WOW 
 mental note don't get onSonny's bad side :-)Cheers
 John-Original 
 Message-From: 
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 Wednesday, 
 August 10, 2011 10:40 AMTo: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject:
 
 [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunts / Check these melons
 out!Hi All,You 
 can't always find meteorites on every hunt, but you can
 have funalong 
 the way. Check out these melons that I found, one is 64 1/2
 lbsand the 
 other is 66 lbs. I just hope to find a couple meteorites
 this big one 
 day!http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Trip_Report_2.htmlS
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Re: [meteorite-list] Home, Home on La Grange!

[Steve Dunklee]

I was thinking about the lagrangian points and neo's as they fly by as easier  
methods of getting pristine material. With the Japanese probe not finding 
higher concentrations of dust I am now wondering if the observed patches might 
be caused by a higher concentration of light as it is bent by the earth like a 
lens and the 10 deg rotation caused by the moon as it revolves around earth? I 
also think using a rare earth magnet in the center of a probe covered with 
balistic jel might increase the chances of collecting dust and small meteroids. 
it would be cheaper sending out small probes inside a ballon that expands to 
several feet or even up to ten meters which collapse when punctured and return 
to earth orbit. all the electronics could be smaller than a jump drive. and 
thousands of them could be made for about 20 bucks each. and launched into 
orbits that would bring them back to earth. and they could all be powered with 
a few solar cells to keep the cell
 phone charged up. since we already have hand held radars we could put one of 
them in too. the whole probe when launched the size of a cell phone. expands to 
ten meters with a half gram of hydrogen. and calls home when punctured. waiting 
for small neos to come by earth and capturing them or getting a sample would 
still be cheaper than a moon mission. I also think sending a probe 
perpendicular to the earths orbit about 100 million miles up would be the most 
cost effective way to find possible neos. what we are doing now is like trying 
to look at the edge of a saw blade. or sitting next to a merry go round 
wondering when is that bully going to kick me in the face as he goes by. a 
camera obove the merry go round would see that boot sticking out a lot sooner 
than trying to see it sitting next to it.
have a great day
Steve

--- On Wed, 6/29/11, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Home, Home on La Grange!
 To: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com, MexicoDoug 
 mexicod...@aim.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 4:59 AM
 Doug,
 
 I believe Anaxagoras was referring to the Anti-Earth,
 a body thought possible (in either a geocentric or a
 heliocentric system) that was always behind the Sun
 from the viewpoint of Earth, hence never seen by us.
 It's an idea that doesn't go away (like it should):
 http://files.ncas.org/condon/text/appndx-e.htm
 
 But it was Pythogoras, the first to call the earth round
 and not the center of the universe, a word he invented,
 BTW: cosmos or universe. And he had that Theorem
 thingee, too. Yes, the Anti-Earth was his idea... So, he
 missed one.
 
 But, when I read your post, Doug, I thought you meant
 the Kordylewski clouds --- large concentrations of dust
 that may exist at the L4 and L5 Lagrangian points of the
 Earth-Moon system.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kordylewski_cloud
 
    The existence of a photometrically
 confirmable
 concentration of dust at the libration points was
 predicted by Professor J. Witkowski in 1951.
    The clouds were first seen by Kordylewski
 in
 1956. Between 6 March and 6 April, 1961 he
 succeeded in photographing two bright patches
 near the L5 libration point. During the observation
 time the patches hardly appeared to move relative
 to L5...
    In 1967, J. Wesley Simpson made
 observations
 of the clouds using the Kuiper Airborne Observatory.
    The existence of the Kordylewski clouds
 is still
 under dispute. The Japanese Hiten space probe,
 which passed through the libration points to detect
 trapped dust particles, did not find an obvious
 increase in dust levels above the density in
 surrounding space...
 
 The Kordylewski clouds are a very faint phenomenon,
 comparable to the brightness of the Gegenschein and,
 as the Lagrangian points are unstable, they may be a
 random and transient phenomenon. They are reported
 to have an angular diameter of up to 6 degrees and to
 orbit the Lagrangian points in elipses, when seen. L5
 clouds seem to be observed more than L4 coulds.
 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Lagrange_points_Earth_vs_Moon.jpg
 
 G! No dust!
 http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v224/n5219/abs/224571a0.html
 
 Anyone got Sky and Telescope, 22, 63 (1961)? There
 are Kordylewski's photos in there.
 
 http://www.google.com/url?sa=tsource=webcd=4sqi=2ved=0CDEQFjADurl=http%3A%2F%2Fspaceflight.esa.int%2Fstrategy%2Fpages%2FHome__Events__Why_the_moon__Posters__P12_Laufer.cfmrct=jq=kordylewski%20sky%20%26%20telescopeei=XJ8KTsSgGI2qsALIosGjAQusg=AFQjCNFOB0d25_NmBxPsAyX99MoNzDyWpgsig2=98jwIRBEppaJQdNioVXWdwcad=rja
 
 More Moons of the Earth:
 http://library.thinkquest.org/25401/data/discovery/text/hyp.html?tql-iframe#moon
    In October 1956, Kordylewski saw, for
 the first time, a
 fairly bright patch in one of the two positions. It was not
 small,
 subtending an angle of 2° (i.e. about 4 times larger than
 the

Re: [meteorite-list] pendulum waves

[Steve Dunklee]

might even be why we see something at the lagrange points? instead of moving 
randomly the small particles have a wave motion caused by gravity pulling the 
particles like a pendulum. causing observed reflections withought a higher 
density of particles. 
cheers
Steve

--- On Thu, 6/30/11, John Lutzon j...@hc.fdn.com wrote:

 From: John Lutzon j...@hc.fdn.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] pendulum waves
 To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net, 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 3:46 AM
 
 Richard,
 
 I'm from the 50's and my analytical term for the processes
 involved in the demonstration is quite simple---WOW !!
 
 John
 
 - Original Message - From: Richard Montgomery
 rickm...@earthlink.net
 To: 'Meteorite-list List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:32 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] pendulum waves
 
 
  
  Hello Listhere is something for you astronomical
 and physical mathematicians to explain in
 all-of-the-rest-of us termsanxious to see what you
 say, Richard K!
  
  
  
  http://wimp.com/pendulumwaves/
  
  
  It's a pretty grand visual!
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteorite recovery)

[Steve Dunklee]

I agree completely with Randy. I believe it would be almost useless and highly 
improbable to find an actual meteorite on the moon. Even at 3km a second the 
impact would destroy all of the meteorite. I also believe it doesnt take a 
large meteorite to knock material off the moon. A baseball sized rock impacting 
at 40km/s  would bore a hole several meters deep before it vaporized. Following 
the path of least resistance up to half the vaporized mass and some lunar 
material would be ejected back up the bore hole like a rifle, and at speeds up 
to 20km/s. It would be kind of like a bullet bouncing right back at you after 
hitting a steel plate. the best place to look for meteorites is right here on 
earth.
Cheers
Steve

--- On Tue, 6/28/11, Randy Korotev koro...@wustl.edu wrote:

 From: Randy Korotev koro...@wustl.edu
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteorite 
 recovery)
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 2:13 PM
 I have studied, literally, thousands
 of Apollo regolith 
 samples.  I've analyzed fines samples (1-mm
 grain-size fraction) 
 taken every half centimeter down several core tubes,
 including the 
 2-m long Apollo 16 deep drill core.  I've analyzed
 several thousand 
 individual rock fragments in the 0.05-4 mm size range from
 all 6 
 Apollo landing sites and 3 Luna landing sites.  These
 fragments were 
 sieved from bulk soil, so there's no astronaut bias. 
 More recently, 
 I and my colleagues have examined at least one stone of
 nearly every 
 lunar meteorite, most of which are regolith or fragmental
 breccias 
 that are loaded with rock clasts.
 
 There aren't any meteorites in the lunar regolith.
 
 OK, that's an overstatement, but it's a practical
 statement.  We see 
 the chemical signature of meteorites in nearly every
 sample.  In 
 fines samples, concentrations of Ni, Ir, and other
 siderophile 
 elements are usually in chondritic proportions and at
 absolute levels 
 corresponding to 1-4% chondritic material.  This stuff
 is largely 
 from micrometeorites but it must also include material
 vaporized and 
 recondensed from impacts of ordinary chondrites. 
 Impact glass and 
 crystallized impact melt is ubiquitous in the lunar
 regolith, and 
 that where the meteorites go. OK (again), there's Bench
 Crater and 
 Hadley Rille, but these are pretty insignificant rocks
 compared to 
 the mass of lunar regolith that has been examined. 
 One of my 
 colleagues recently spotted an olivine grain in a lunar
 meteorite 
 that he thinks might have been from a meteorite.  That
 was 
 exciting.  We find lots of fragments (globs in NWA
 5000) of 
 iron-nickel metal, but even these usually show the signs of
 having 
 melted and resolidified as impact melt cooled.
 
 Think about it.  If a rock hits the Moon at 20-40
 km/s, what's going 
 to happen to it?  The Moon isn't Mars.
 
 Randy Korotev
 
 
 
 At 09:06 PM 2011-06-27 Monday, you wrote:
 Hi James,
 
 Well taken, and I agree.  Part of their mission
 was to retrieve lunar
 samples, but how imagine meteorites could be found if a
 team was put
 on to the lunar surface with the primary focus of
 finding meteorites
 and ignoring native lunar materials.  :)
 
 Maybe Acme H3 Industries, Inc, will have the spare room
 in their
 underground base to lease out space to a meteorite
 hunting team, and
 the necessary scientific equipment to use for the
 mission (modified
 rovers, infrastructure, etc).
 
 Heck, the mining teams might unearth (unlune?) buried
 meteorites
 from under layers of regolith.
 
 Best regards,
 
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 On 6/27/11, James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net
 wrote:
The Apollo astronauts were not meteorite
 hunters, nor did they have any
   specific mission or training involving
 meteorites.
  
   Mike, I don't think that's quite correct. 
 The Apollo crews were 
  well versed
   in the expected geology, and were looking for
 quite a diverse lot of rocks.
    They spent many months training with
 geologists.  Certainly, Dr. Schmitt
   was no exception on Apollo 17.  From Earth
 to the Moon episode 10 was an
   excellent, even a bit romanticized focus on the
 geology focus.
   I think the focus was (and should have been) more
 anti-meteorite.  We had
   plenty of those.  But we didn't have
 verified lunar samples - to include
   cores and other different types.  We needed
 more of those to verify the
   origins of our companion, and very little time
 and resources on-hand to get
   

Re: [meteorite-list] The Apollo Moon Rock Collection

[Steve Dunklee]

Cheers! I agree completely with your post! Even if we went to the moon today 
and retrieved a ton of rocks. They would still not be Apollo moon rocks. When I 
first visited the space center in Houston I was upset there were no display of 
all the moon rocks. they have capsules, space suites,rockets,landers, and lots 
of other stuff. all very cool! But the rocks are what they went to the moon to 
bring back. I felt like ok I'm looking at a pot of paint used by picasso it 
doesnt paint the picture!
Cheers
Steve Dunklee

--- On Mon, 6/27/11, Carl Agee a...@unm.edu wrote:

 From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu
 Subject: [meteorite-list] The Apollo Moon Rock Collection
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 5:24 PM
 Having been in charge of the Apollo
 Collection as well as the other
 collections at NASA Johnson Space Center (JSC) from
 1998-2002, here is
 my take on this discussion. One of the main goals of
 curation at JSC
 is preserving the collection for posterity and for future
 study with
 instruments not yet imagined or by scientists not yet born.
 The Moon
 rocks are treated like a national treasure. As many of you
 may know,
 the curation protocols at JSC are the gold standard for
 extraterrestrial sample handling. For example, the
 collection is kept
 in high purity nitrogen, only materials restricted to of
 short list of
 aluminum, stainless steel, and Teflon are allow to touch
 the samples.
 The curation facility was built as a clean lab with
 positive air
 pressure, airlocks, and is operated by a highly trained
 staff. The
 Lunar Vault is built to withstand hurricanes, tornadoes,
 and floods --
 and just to be on the safe side NASA has placed 15% of the
 collection
 at White Sands Test Facility, a few miles outside Las
 Cruces, New
 Mexico, locked away for safe keeping just in case of a
 catastrophic
 loss of the Lunar Lab in Houston. When people think about
 what a Mars
 Sample Return Lab design might look like, the first place
 they start
 from is the Lunar Sample Lab.
 
 Clearly, JSC does a fabulous job of handling, curating, and
 keeping
 the lunar samples safe, there is no museum or private
 collector in the
 world that comes close to Lunar Lab quality. However, the
 one thing
 that I think is missing from this facility is an equally
 spectacular
 public outreach component. Sure, the public can look at a
 few Moon
 rocks at museum displays here and there nationwide, but
 very few
 people ever get the privilege of being a visitor at the
 Lunar Lab. It
 is NOT open to the public. I think NASA, and JSC in
 particular, could
 enhance its image and boost public excitement and support
 for
 astromaterials research by somehow giving better public
 access to view
 these crown jewels in their laboratory setting.
 
 You may have guessed already that I'm not a big proponent
 of selling
 off the Moon Rocks to fund NASA missions, as a few people
 on the list
 have proposed. Even if Americans thought this was a good
 idea, I am
 pretty sure we would come up a few billion dollars short to
 do
 anything like a decent robotic Mars Sample Return.
 Furthermore, I
 doubt if many Americans would be in favor of cutting up
 pieces of the
 Declaration of Indepence or chunks of the Liberty Bell to
 sell as high
 priced souvenirs, or sell off tracts of Yellowstone Park to
 reduce our
 nation's debt. But I do think the Lunar Collection could be
 opened up
 to the public in away that would be beneficial to everyone,
 not the
 least to NASA itself.
 
 Carl Agee
 
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 Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
 MSC03 2050
 University of New Mexico
 Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] No Meteorites on display!!!!

[Steve Dunklee]

Very good and well written response! I love art and am an artist myself. I love 
Monet manet Salvador Dali. Frederic Remington. ect. And I actually like some 
Andy Warhol. and not to mention Picasso and Rembrant. i have some Monet prints 
and an original on loan to a museum. as well as some other original paintings 
sculptures and pottery. The presentation of meteorites or mineral samples 
compared to a major exhibit would actually be low cost antdonly take up a small 
corner of space.  One of the museums here in arkansas did an Egyptian exhibit 
in 2008. they spent millions of dollars setting it up then the market crashed. 
tickets for an adult were around $40 and for students $22. they lost money big 
time! had the price been lower like $12 fror adults and $8 for students they 
would have had many more people viewing the exhibit and buying merchandise at 
the show. every ticket sale at any event nationwide has an average of $30 in 
ancillary sales. parking, food,
 prints, programs,tshirts, maps ect. so for a $12 ticket you would have at 
least 10 more people who would view and spend money as opposed to a $44 ticket. 
10 people spending $44 is $440. one person spending $44 for a ticket then 
spending an additional $30 is only $74. A small corner in a museum lets say 16 
feet long with meteorite men advertisement and Rocks from Space ads with 
unclassified real but weathered meteorites for sale next to the shark teeth 
would be a low cost and maintainance money maker for any museum.
Cheers
Steve

--- On Wed, 5/25/11, Peter Davidson p.david...@nms.ac.uk wrote:

 From: Peter Davidson p.david...@nms.ac.uk
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] No Meteorites on display
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 8:49 AM
 Good Morning everyone on the List
 
 I would like to thank Mike Antonelli for his e-mail drawing
 attention to the situation at The Carnegie Museum of Natural
 History in Pittsburgh. The lack of a meteorite display there
 highlights one of the problems many museums have around the
 World in deciding what to exhibit and what not.
 
 Can I first say that I have no particular insight into the
 museum's policies for exhibition, nor do I personally know
 any of the curators. However I know many, many curators from
 other museums around the World and I can draw on this
 knowledge to get a feel for the problems the Carnegie has.
 
 The notion that museums are somehow divorced from the
 everyday World and that curators exist in tax-payer funded
 ivory towers trying to devise as many ways as we can
 possibly think of to avoid putting our collection on display
 to the public is one that bears no resemblance to reality.
 Museums around the World are under increasing pressure from
 their funding bodies, whether that be National Governments,
 local governments or town councils, to cut costs and to
 justify their dwindling expenditure by housing exhibitions
 that have some kind of WOW factor. These blockbuster
 exhibitions may indeed, as Steve Dunklee rightly points out,
 have little to do with Natural History. But it is likely to
 attract big sponsorship and media attention and this may
 have a trickle down benefit to the museum through increased
 visitor numbers and heightened awareness. This inevitably
 leads to hard decisions about the best (or most profitable)
 use of the limited space museums have. If a museum director
 has to choose between a high profile Andy Warhol exhibition
 that will attract major corporate sponsorship and generate a
 good deal of media interest or a much more worthy display of
 objects from the museum's own collections that will bring in
 no income and little media attention, then I am afraid that
 in today's world Warhol wins!
 
 Other factors to consider here are that a museum's policies
 are largely decided by the Director (or equivalent - the
 Head Honcho in any case) who may not have any interest in
 meteorites, whether they have a good collection or not.
 Perhaps there is no dedicated meteorite curator to look
 after and promote the collection. This can be a serious
 problem for any collection. After all, I myself am a
 mineralogist who happens to have an interest in meteorites
 and have been active in promoting the collection whenever I
 can. Had I not had this interest, the collection would
 indeed be stored away and might never see the light of day.
 As it is we will have meteorites in our new galleries (not
 enough in my view) but this is something!
 
 There are other ways to promote the collection other than
 by display. Taking the collection into the community is a
 vital role museums can and do play. This can be done by
 organising temporary or touring exhibitions, by school
 visits or talks and lectures to people of all ages and
 experiences. 
 
 I agree with MikeG to some extent in that private
 collectors have a very important role in complementing the
 work that museums do. Most collectors I know have an
 enthusiasm, dedication

Re: [meteorite-list] No Meteorites on display!!!!

[Steve Dunklee]

A whole section of the museum is dedicated to Andy Warhol. What does he have to 
do with Natural History or minerals  other than using lead paint?and 
radioactive paint from the 60's and 70's exposing our children to possible 
contamination that would be removed from any other institution as an 
environmental hazard.
Cheers
Steve

--- On Tue, 5/24/11, Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] No Meteorites on display
 To: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com
 Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 3:37 PM
 Hi Mike, Darryl, Martin, and List,
 
 I agree with the opinions expressed here, and I'd like to
 add one thing.
 
 I think this situation only further reinforces the
 importance of
 private involvement in the realm of meteorite recovery,
 science, and
 collecting.
 
 Some institutions, like this one, have nice collections
 which are
 locked away from the public.  These meteorites
 languish in dark
 cabinets, out of sight and out of mind.  If they were
 publicly
 displayed, they could inspire others to take up the
 vocation of
 meteorites or meteoritics.  The  most modest
 private collection that
 is brought to a school or youth group can do more to help
 science (in
 the long term) than a world-class collection that only a
 select
 handful of people ever get to see.  If a public
 displays inspires only
 one child to pursue science as an adult, then that is a
 great victory
 for everyone involved.
 
 As collectors, dealers, and hunters, we must do our best to
 be
 ambassadors for the field.  And we should politely but
 firmly press
 these institutions to put these space rocks on display.
 
 Best regards,
 
 MikeG
 
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 On 5/24/11, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com
 wrote:
 
 
  Wow!
 
  Excellent/intriguing post.
 
  Maybe one agreed upon statement on a webpage with all
 of us as
  signatories---well, those who wish to be
 signatories---is the way to go.
  And once the number of signatures hits a critical
 mass, go to the Pittsburgh
  Post/Gazette.
 
  If this is not desired, this will only happen if the
 BOD signs-off, and
  they---and their chairman---should be the recipients
 of such correspondence.
 
 
  All best and thanks for bringing to everyone's
 attention.
 
 
  Darryl
 
 
 
  On May 24, 2011, at 10:22 AM, MIke Antonelli wrote:
 
  I payed a visit to our local museum here in
 Pittsburgh PA (The Carnegie
  Museum of Natural History) and much to my dismay,
 found that there was no
  display of meteorites. I know they have a nice
 collection, but was told by
  a director there that there just wasn't that much
 interest in them!
  Can you imagine? I started up a thread on Carnegie
 Museum of Natural
  History's FB page, and am in the process of
 writing letters to various
  personnel of the museum.  I think it would be
 a great idea if any of us
  who have a bit of spare time would bombard the FB
 thread on their wall
  communicating our displeasure at their lack of a
 display. Even though most
  of you are from other parts of the country or
 world, it would be in
  everyone's best interest to chime in. Check it
 out...Go to Facebook and
  search for The Carnegie Museum of Natural History
 page, find my post on
  their wall and let em' have it We naturally
 want to keep it clean and
  concise, but I think firm
  statements are warranted! Thanks!!! Go easy out
 there!!! Mike A.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...

[Steve Dunklee]

I have an extra piece of mifflin from  meteorite man Steve Arnold. .627 grams 
along with his card and provenance. Highest offer over $50 its yours. I would 
like a complete mifflin stone to complement my other slice but  dont think I 
will find it lol. Email off list if interested. Cheers Steve Dunklee

On Sun May 8th, 2011 10:20 PM EDT Stuart McDaniel wrote:

That is what I am seeing, but I think I will wait on Catterton to let me know 
what it I for sure before I make a decision unless someone wants to trade me a 
real Mifflin for it. LOL.



Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
Secr.,
Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
IMCA #9052
Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA
-Original Message- From: Thunder Stone
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 10:04 PM
To: steve ; Michael Cottingham ; greg c
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; jimsk...@aol.com
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...


Stuart:

I ended up with a piece as well and I have been looking at pics on the IMCA 
Encyclopedia and it looks like Chergach, an H5 that fell in 2007.

Greg S

 From: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
 To: mikew...@gilanet.com; star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
 Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 21:51:50 -0400
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; jimsk...@aol.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...
 
 I have a piece of the Mifflin in question and I for one want to commend Greg
 for his handling of this. He has always been more than a fair dealer to me.
 I have bought several from him and nothing but professional. I am in no
 hurry to get a refund. I would honestly like to know WHAT it is I got from
 him as a Mifflin, then we can work something out. I only have a small slice
 so we are not talking about something that will break the bank. My natural
 curiosity wants to know what it IS.  The fact that this has been outted does
 not concern me that Greg will not make it right. I am willing to wait to
 find out the mystery.
 
 
 Stuart McDaniel
 Lawndale, NC
 Secr.,
 Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
 IMCA #9052
 Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA
 -Original Message- From: michael cottingham
 Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 6:58 PM
 To: Greg Catterton
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; jimsk...@aol.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...
 
 Hello,
 
 Does, this mean you are not refunding customer's money now? It is clearly
 not Mifflin and it seems further tests is just a delay. If I am wrong in
 assuming this, then I apologize, but it would be best to buy these back now
 and get them to the trash can and out of collections.
 
 Best Wishes
 
 Michael Cottingham
 On May 8, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Greg Catterton wrote:
 
  The slice Jim has is the non Mifflin stone.
  Jim, sorry, I have tons of emails, just got to yours and sent you an  
  email
  as you must have been posting this.
  I am reclaiming the material and will be sending a sample soon to be
  tested to try to confirm when this fell and just what it is.
 
  Greg Catterton
  www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
  IMCA member 4682
  On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
  On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
 
 
  --- On Sun, 5/8/11, michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com wrote:
 
  From: michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin
  Photos...
  To: jimsk...@aol.com
  Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Sunday, May 8, 2011, 6:21 PM
  Hello,
 
  I think the one you mentioned...is really hard to tell.
  Catterton did a part trade/cash deal with me and some of the
  trade material was REAL Mifflin that I personally found,
  even though you purchased it from him it might be the real
  deal, at least on that piece. The time frame would have to
  be after July 10th, because he did not have my real Mifflin
  until after then.
 
  Best Wishes
 
  Michael
  On May 8, 2011, at 4:17 PM, jimsk...@aol.com
  wrote:
 
  Hi Michael and list,
 
  Not all of the Mifflin photo's on the Met. Bulletin
  (IMCA Encyclopedia of
  Meteorites) are of the real thing. I have three photos
  there. One is a
  slice from Joe's main mass, another is a complete
  individual that I  found
  during my five day hunt and the fake is the slice that
  I purchased  from Greg
  Catterton. I contacted Greg C this morning to get my
  refund and  have not
  received a response. I'll remove the photo later. If
  you have one that  looks
  like this, you've been duped.
 
  Best Wishes,
  Jim K
 
 
 
  In a message dated 5/8/2011 3:47:13 P.M. Central
  Daylight Time,
  mikew...@gilanet.com
  writes:
  Hello,
 
  Since Jason posted  his discovery, 2 more pieces
  of fake Mifflin have
  been recovered. Taking into  account cut loss, I
  think I am almost certain that
  I have recovered 95% of the  stone that I was
  duped into buying.  I will
  not be 100% certain until all  of the pieces are
  returned to me.  Even though

Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns

[Steve Dunklee]

I have recieved some meteorites from list members with just the name of the 
meteorite  hand written on a piece of paper and the weight .  I WILL not 
mention any names because this may cause some problems on the list. It may 
however cause problems shold I die and the only documentation is the notes on 
the sample bag or box. The inside of one envelope actually had alongwith the 
sample in a riker box. A bunch of dirt in the envelope. The Carancas sample in 
the box did stick to a magnet and if it wasnt from an IMCA member I would still 
wonder if I had been ripped off. Cheers Steve Dunklee

On Sun May 8th, 2011 10:39 PM EDT Walter Branch wrote:

Anne-

 Does that help?

No problem,  thus nothing to help.

 and Proof of provenance is not always all that easy

Which was the point of my post.

-Walter

- Original Message - From: impact...@aol.com
To: waltbra...@bellsouth.net; mlbl...@cox.net; 
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Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns


 Well, Walter,
 
 I cannot speak for Matt, but I have found that getting complete provenance
 and Proof of provenance is not always all that easy.
 I just discussed with a collector who has been collecting for many years,
 but has moved several times in his life; he could tell me exactly what each
 piece was and who he had bought it from (and some were from Matt) but he has
 lost most of the paperwork.
 And 2 years ago I bought a whole collection (some 200 pieces) that had been
 boxed and stored in a closet for at least ten years. Again, some of the
 labels and receipts were there but not all of them, some were missing, some 
 he
 just had little pieces of paper that he had handwritten and stuffed in the
 boxes. Since he had stopped collecting some ten years prior, much before
 meteorites got popular, I decided to take his word for it, but I had some of 
 the
 pieces verified. So I believe I have the right stuff, but you will have to
 take my word for it, and you will only get my label.
 In other words, it is the same old story: know your dealer, and deal only
 with dealers you trust.
 
 Does that help?
 
 Anne M. Black
 _www.IMPACTIKA.com_ (http://www.IMPACTIKA.com)
 _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com)
 President of IMCA
 _www.IMCA.cc_ (http://www.IMCA.cc)
 
 
 In a message dated 5/8/2011 6:27:18 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
 waltbra...@bellsouth.net writes:
 Hello Michael,
 
 It really is not that easy.  As this example illustrates, even honest
 dealers can be duped.  I purchase meteorites from a very small list of
 dealers.  Very small.  I have done business with some for 15 years; two I
 started buying from this year.  All have earned my complete trust.
 
 However...
 
 While I trust these dealer to not intentionally dupe me, how do I know they
 trust their sources and they have done their due diligence in the same way
 I
 have?
 
 As an example, I applaud Anne Black for setting the example of providing
 provenance for her meteorites but how am I assured the person who sold a
 given specimen it to Anne did what Anne and I would have done?  BTW, I
 trust
 Anne.
 
 I sold some meteorites recently.  I listed the dealers I purchased the
 meteorites from.  I sold one last week that I obtained from Matt Morgan. I
 told the purchaser I got it from Matt.  Did Matt vett his source, as I have
 done Matt?  I don't know.   Did the person before them?  I don't know.
 BTW,
 I trust Matt.
 
 Remember the, what was it, sandstone dinosaur egg incident?
 
 As we can see, the chain of custody can become quite complicated.
 
 I have been concerned for a long time now about this sort of thing
 happening.  The surprising thing to me is that it did not happen sooner.
 
 This whole incident is really getting to me. I have had it on my mind all
 day.
 
 -Walter Branch
 
 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Death by GPS in desert

[Steve Dunklee]

ouch! Yes heat is dangerous for us but to some extent it does help preserve 
meteorites. Try running a jack hammer in a 240 degree f rotary lime kiln for an 
hour or more to knock down an ash ring while your boots soles are melting into 
the floor. Or cleaning an aluminum furnace while its running and your face mask 
starts to warp from the 2000deg f while you are on an external air hose to keep 
the heat down so you can work longer.  KEEP COOL! Stay safe! Steve

On Thu Apr 14th, 2011 11:06 AM EDT Adam Hupe wrote:

Hi Jim and List,

You are about 60 miles away and you are right about it cooling down to only 
110 
degrees at night in the Summer.  A friend of mine sent me a meat thermometer 
since he could not find a temperature gauge that exceeded 120 degrees.

The National Weather Service shaves off 10 degree during the summer when 
reporting weather here in Laughlin.  I think the real temperatures would scare 
off most people.   They must have buried the Laughlin temperature gauge 20 
feet 
underground in order to report these kind of readings.  It is funny that the 
reported temperature here in Laughlin is sometimes 10 degree different from 
Bullhead City, Arizona when I can throw a rock from Laughlin, NV and hit 
Bullhead City, Arizona.  It is a joke around here that you will not see a 
single 
temperature gauge on the Nevada side of the Colorado River because it would be 
bad for tourism.

I can turn off the hot tap water in my house in the Summer since the cold 
water 
is hot enough to shave with.  It is not wise to store metal detectors and 
electronic equipment in your garage during the summer months.  All my LCDS 
were 
destroyed from the heat and anything that is glued will become delaminated.  I 
had to replace all of the fishing line on my poles since 50 lbs test could not 
even support 1lbs after being left in the garage for a few weeks.  


Be Careful,

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] ot?Was death by gps. Now cold kills too

[Steve Dunklee]

cold can also be deadly. We know many meteorites have been found at both poles. 
After spending two weeks on Mt Hood during a blizzard I wonder if there are 
other unexplored cold spots for meteorites? Your breath condenses around your 
mouth and nose. Your watery eyes from the wind cause tears to freeze on your 
cheeks and your vision keeps getting blury because your eyes keep frosting 
over. Its realy hard to breath because the air is so thin and you get oh so 
tired. You get disoriented  and cry for joy when the weather clears up enough 
for the dustoff to come carry you off to safety. IM ONE LUCKY SOB LOL.

On Thu Apr 14th, 2011 12:58 PM EDT Steve Dunklee wrote:

ouch! Yes heat is dangerous for us but to some extent it does help preserve 
meteorites. Try running a jack hammer in a 240 degree f rotary lime kiln for 
an hour or more to knock down an ash ring while your boots soles are melting 
into the floor. Or cleaning an aluminum furnace while its running and your 
face mask starts to warp from the 2000deg f while you are on an external air 
hose to keep the heat down so you can work longer.  KEEP COOL! Stay safe! Steve

On Thu Apr 14th, 2011 11:06 AM EDT Adam Hupe wrote:

Hi Jim and List,

You are about 60 miles away and you are right about it cooling down to only 
110 
degrees at night in the Summer.  A friend of mine sent me a meat thermometer 
since he could not find a temperature gauge that exceeded 120 degrees.

The National Weather Service shaves off 10 degree during the summer when 
reporting weather here in Laughlin.  I think the real temperatures would 
scare 
off most people.   They must have buried the Laughlin temperature gauge 20 
feet 
underground in order to report these kind of readings.  It is funny that the 
reported temperature here in Laughlin is sometimes 10 degree different from 
Bullhead City, Arizona when I can throw a rock from Laughlin, NV and hit 
Bullhead City, Arizona.  It is a joke around here that you will not see a 
single 
temperature gauge on the Nevada side of the Colorado River because it would 
be 
bad for tourism.

I can turn off the hot tap water in my house in the Summer since the cold 
water 
is hot enough to shave with.  It is not wise to store metal detectors and 
electronic equipment in your garage during the summer months.  All my LCDS 
were 
destroyed from the heat and anything that is glued will become delaminated.  
I 
had to replace all of the fishing line on my poles since 50 lbs test could 
not 
even support 1lbs after being left in the garage for a few weeks.  


Be Careful,

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] ot?Was death by gps. Now cold kills too

[Steve Dunklee]

I have to make a correction. Hard to breath is what it feels like but realy you 
are breathing faster and harder to get more oxygen. The faster you breath the 
more heat and water you loose. I remember covering my face under my parka hood 
and burrying it in the snow to thaw out the two inches of ice that had built up 
on my face mask and made my goggles useless. Snow is actually an amazing 
insulator. Cheers! STEVE

On Thu Apr 14th, 2011 1:25 PM EDT Steve Dunklee wrote:

cold can also be deadly. We know many meteorites have been found at both 
poles. After spending two weeks on Mt Hood during a blizzard I wonder if there 
are other unexplored cold spots for meteorites? Your breath condenses around 
your mouth and nose. Your watery eyes from the wind cause tears to freeze on 
your cheeks and your vision keeps getting blury because your eyes keep 
frosting over. Its realy hard to breath because the air is so thin and you get 
oh so tired. You get disoriented  and cry for joy when the weather clears up 
enough for the dustoff to come carry you off to safety. IM ONE LUCKY SOB LOL.

On Thu Apr 14th, 2011 12:58 PM EDT Steve Dunklee wrote:

ouch! Yes heat is dangerous for us but to some extent it does help preserve 
meteorites. Try running a jack hammer in a 240 degree f rotary lime kiln for 
an hour or more to knock down an ash ring while your boots soles are melting 
into the floor. Or cleaning an aluminum furnace while its running and your 
face mask starts to warp from the 2000deg f while you are on an external air 
hose to keep the heat down so you can work longer.  KEEP COOL! Stay safe! 
Steve

On Thu Apr 14th, 2011 11:06 AM EDT Adam Hupe wrote:

Hi Jim and List,

You are about 60 miles away and you are right about it cooling down to only 
110 
degrees at night in the Summer.  A friend of mine sent me a meat thermometer 
since he could not find a temperature gauge that exceeded 120 degrees.

The National Weather Service shaves off 10 degree during the summer when 
reporting weather here in Laughlin.  I think the real temperatures would 
scare 
off most people.   They must have buried the Laughlin temperature gauge 20 
feet 
underground in order to report these kind of readings.  It is funny that the 
reported temperature here in Laughlin is sometimes 10 degree different from 
Bullhead City, Arizona when I can throw a rock from Laughlin, NV and hit 
Bullhead City, Arizona.  It is a joke around here that you will not see a 
single 
temperature gauge on the Nevada side of the Colorado River because it would 
be 
bad for tourism.

I can turn off the hot tap water in my house in the Summer since the cold 
water 
is hot enough to shave with.  It is not wise to store metal detectors and 
electronic equipment in your garage during the summer months.  All my LCDS 
were 
destroyed from the heat and anything that is glued will become delaminated.  
I 
had to replace all of the fishing line on my poles since 50 lbs test could 
not 
even support 1lbs after being left in the garage for a few weeks.  


Be Careful,

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Death by GPS in desert

[Steve Dunklee]

heaven forbid they take away your guns!  Whats next? Meteorites? They have been 
known to kill cows and dogs! Over 30k people in the good ol USA were killed by 
infections like antibiotic resistant staff last year.and hiv aids is the 
leading cause of death for people under 40years. The CDC groups all accidents 
together to make hiv #2 . Death by being shot is like way under the top 10. Mor 
like no 30 yet the press keeps harping on gun deaths.the truth is hiv autos and 
suicide are the three major causes of death. And probably 20 per cent of the 
auto deaths are suicides. Like woman drives into lake and takes her kids with 
her.  So sad! Steve

On Thu Apr 14th, 2011 1:45 PM EDT Jim Wooddell wrote:

Yeah//being a volunteer is tough!! People come here from all over the
world to play for a few days and dream of living where I live
everyday.  It's a tough life.  Millions of Snowbirds flock here in the
winter to get away from where they live.yeah, it's tough out
herefairly clean air, 99% less idiots to deal with, freedom some
people have never known, you can actually see most all the stars at
night, And trust me some city slickers had never seen Polaris or a
satellite wiz by or a meteor.  Bugs (and lots of them) the size of
b-52 bombers (okay, that's not so good), I got a swimming pool that
goes from one end of the state to the other end, big enough for my
boat!  We carry guns...all sorts of tough stuff.  It really is a
terrible place.
Oh...and to keep in on topicright near some really fun meteorite
hunting areas!!
It's tough...but someone has to do it. :)

Jim


On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu 
wrote:
 And you choose, voluntarily, to live in such a place? H. g

 Chris

 ***
 Chris L Peterson
 Cloudbait Observatory
 http://www.cloudbait.com

 On 4/14/2011 9:06 AM, Adam Hupe wrote:

 Hi Jim and List,

 You are about 60 miles away and you are right about it cooling down to
 only 110
 degrees at night in the Summer.  A friend of mine sent me a meat
 thermometer
 since he could not find a temperature gauge that exceeded 120 degrees...

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Re: [meteorite-list] OT Radiation Dose Chart

[Steve Dunklee]

radiation dose is realy wierd. You can get more radiation from an hour in the 
sun getting a tan than from being scanned at the airport. A tanning bed or a 
few hours in front of a cathode ray tube. Then you can replace the lantern 
mantle on your camping lantern and breath in more radioactive material than you 
could ever get anywhere else. Its not so much what you get exposed to. Its how 
much gets in you. Like drinking water or eating food contaminated with 
radioactive iodine. Iodised salt does provide some protection and an ordinary 
dust mask also helps. One thing that is more damaging in most places is the 
latex rubber dust you breath in driving to work and back from your tires. 
Without the acid introduced into your lungs from second hand smoke there is 
nothing going to remove the rubber dust from your lungs. Cheers Steve


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Sedimentary Rocks: Where are they?

[Steve Dunklee]

sedimentary rocks be they cabonates or other oxides  when exposed to water 
after heating have an exothermic reaction. Thats why the same minerals are used 
to melt ice on roads. Any fusion crust exposed to ice or terestrial weathering 
would be gone in a few minutes or hours. Take a piece if bog iron or limestone 
and heat it to mak a crust. Then toss it in some snow. A few minutes later it 
has no crust. And most of it will dissolve to nothing after a few years. 
Sedimentary  rocks were made by and are disolved by water and weathering. 
Cheers Steve


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: 8.9 Quake in Japan, 10 meter Tsunami, Hope Dirk and others are ok

[Steve Dunklee]

A tektite? People who live in rock houses shouldnt throw glass stones? Lol

On Wed Mar 16th, 2011 8:59 PM EDT Richard Montgomery wrote:

Without question...Whitecourt.  Not much of a chance the opponent has one to 
throw back (at least not with an export permit...but that depends on where the 
throwing is happening.)  Imagine the internation incident:  cross-border 
throwing of.


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Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: 8.9 Quake in Japan, 10 meter Tsunami,Hope 
Dirk and others are ok


 
 
 Unless this argument is going to result in people throwing meteorites at
 each other, can we please take it offline?
 
 Maybe we can redirect this conversation back on topic by discussing the
 following question:
 
 If you were to get into a meteorite throwing argument, which type of
 meteorite would you throw at the other person and why? (taking into account
 the meteorite can be no heavier than 50g)
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER

[Steve Dunklee]

Nuclear power is the cleanest. Safest most reliable source of power we have. 
The radiation and polution given off by the use of coal. Over a ten year span 
results in somewhere around 10 to 20 thousand cancer deaths . Not to mention 
the increased birth defects from mercury poisoning. And large release of 
carbon. And radon gas during mining. Coal is the dirty power. Cheers Steve

On Thu Mar 17th, 2011 5:28 AM EDT Count Deiro wrote:

Excellent exposition, Sterling. I trust you will forgive me if I plagerize and 
use the data in an upcoming symposium. No profit to me and I will attribute.

I'm sure that your ear to the track picked up the release yesterday that the 
Surgeon General's actuarials have increased the life span for males in the 
United States to 78 years and females at 81. So, I can expect, if I stay 
straight, to see another four summers.

Speaking of the Surgeon General...she famously got it wrong during a national 
press conference yeaterday by stating  we could stock up on IODIDE crystals. 
Makes me shudder.

Kudos, 

Guido


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From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Mar 16, 2011 10:38 PM
To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER

List,

We are invariably abnormally impressed by the
sudden occurrence of a rare, high-risk event.
We do not appraise them in a strictly rational
manner when this happens.

The current application of fear caused by a very
rare event, as we see in Japan, is weighted heavily.
For those interested in the actual data, the human 
cost, in lives, of the various means of electric power 
production are listed below. 

Deaths are for the period 1970 through 1992, the 
only period for which data could be collected for all 
the means of production. 

All deaths are immediate deaths, and the figures 
are on a worldwide basis, which includes countries
with less stringent industrial safety requirements
than the U.S. This is the picture for the Planet.

Hydroelectric production accounted for roughly 4000 
deaths, of members of the public, or 883 deaths per 
terawatt-year. The vast majority of those deaths were
from the failure of dams and impoundments.

Coal power production produced  about 6400 deaths, 
all of workers, for a death rate of 342 deaths per 
terawatt-year. (Deaths from the mining of coal are
included in proportion to the use of coal in direct
power production.)

Natural Gas power production resulted in some 
1200 deaths, of both industry workers and the 
general public, for 85 deaths per terawatt-year.

Nuclear Power resulted in 31 deaths, all of workers, 
for a total of 8 deaths per terawatt-year, or 1%
of the deaths from safe environmentally friendly 
hydroelectric power.

The other fuel, petroleum, is rarely used for power 
production but largely for transportation. How deadly,
in these terms, is our transportation power use in
cars and trucks as compared to the cost in life of 
power production? 

The U.S. consumed 0.138 teragallons of gasoline
on 2009 (at 4.175 watt-years per gallon), with a
total energy content of a mere 0.576 terawatt-years.
Highway deaths in 2009 were 33,963, which yields 
58,943 deaths per terawatt-year of power consumed.

Clearly, the use of this power source for transport
is many orders of magnitude more dangerous than 
the production of electrical power, however it is 
accomplished. Our reaction to this horrendous
risk is to complain about how much it costs us to
fill'er up.

Humans are not rational animals.

The reduction in overall life expectancy in the 
U.S. due to nuclear power production is one-third 
of the reduction in life expectancy caused by eating 
8 ounces. of charcoal-broiled steak per week.

Make mine medium-rare, please.



Sterling K. Webb


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Re: [meteorite-list] 8.9 Quake in Japan ZIRCONIUM

[Steve Dunklee]

This would all have been a mute point had the reactors been designed to 
separate the fuel rods by gravity in case of power loss. With cooling water fed 
by gravity with enough stored to last several days. Most reactors it seems use 
the same bad design. The water has to be pumped in. However due to this 
disaster it will lead to newer and safer designs. Cheers Steve

On Wed Mar 16th, 2011 3:50 AM EDT Barrett wrote:

Hello Count, et al-
Just a quick comment here on something most people aren't aware of.

The facts are, as of a minute ago, that there has been no containment
vessel breach in any of the reactors. 
It is being reported that one of the containment vessels are cracked.


What has happened, is that some fuel rod assemblies have been damaged by
loss of coolant and resulting overtemp. They can melt into each other, but
they can't burn through the vessel, or start a fire, as there is no
graphite in the GE design. 

I don't know about THIS particular reactor, but. Almost ALL reactors use
ZIRCONIUM as the metal for the fuel rods and other various parts for the
reactors. ZIRCONIUM ignites easily and CAN NOT be put out by water. Water
just feeds it and produces hydrogen  oxygen (We already know about what
THAT does). I've been listen almost non-stop to FNN and CNN and I've yet to
hear anyone talking about this fact. While there are a few ways to put out a
zirconium fire, as long as the fuel rods themselves stay hot they really
don't stand a lot of chance of putting the fire out. Smothering a zirconium
metal fire with salt is one way to do it. The salt melts over the burning
zirconium and encapsulates it. Even with a relatively small amount of
zirconium, it takes a LONG time for it to smother and cool to safe levels.
Personally, I'd like to hear some of the nuclear engineers speak to this on
TV. FWIW- ZIRCONIUM is used by the Navy and Airforce in many incendiary
bombs. It burns so hot and furious that it burns right thru the steel on
heavily armored tanks and burns thru the cement used in bunkers. Zirconium
is the wildcard that everyone is overlooking here. If the zirconium catches
fire, it WILL melt and burn its way thru anything.

Try Googleing ZIRCONIUM METAL and WESTERN ZIRCONIUM in Ogden, UT and see for
yourself. It's nasty stuff when it ignites, but it's also the most corrosion
resistant metal known.
-Barrett


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