Hi EMan and list,
So a strewnfield does not exist until proven, regardless of the fact that
little
or no effort has been made in the investigation of a given fall/find? I can see
that. Still, I'd like to believe they're there just as any cold find sets a
hunter in motion.
Bill
I don't remember any exceptions written into the one AD per week rule. It's
pretty simple and until Art says otherwise it should be respected. A lot of
dealers as well as dealers would bury us with mindless garbage and hype if
not for this basic guideline. 10 kilo lunar in your attic or not.
Creative use of waste materials. Very good. Scarcity of material will not allow
for mass production? Will each card have it's own classification #? How can
collectors be sure that your dust is pure cutting slop? Pure to each
designation made by you alone.
Garbage, hogwash and hype.
Bill
What is all this? Why is everyone wasting their breath? The man must be pretty
slick. Gary sure seems to be quite taken with him. Like any charleton he'll use
whatever means he has to achieve his ends. The sickest part is that it's in the
name of religion. I'm sure he doesn't give a hoot about
The man isn't interested in selling it. It's his ploy. A way to attract
attention. No amount of effort matters to him. He won't sell his lucky charm
now or in the future. Expect to see his ad for years to come unless ebay stops
him.
Bill
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Pete Pete,
Not to slight all the experts on the met-list, try http://www.meteorobs.org.
They are hardcore specialists.
Bill
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Hi, Sterling and Doug,
Thanks for your valued input.
Regarding the 2022
I have to add that to my collection of patent medicines and snake oil. Nice
looking bottle too.
Bill
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From: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Everyone save your cutting dust - there will eventually be a market for it!
(Hippies. Sheesh!)
That is an amazing pattern. It looks like a satellite image of an unplanned
urban area.
Bill
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From: Elton Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello Matt,
Your message was lost in cyberspace a while so my question is going back
a few weeks.
Two new California strewnfields! I'm excited. What are the coordinates?
Bill
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From: Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mike and List,
Many on this list seem to overlook the amazing
accomplishments of some, but it doesn't only apply to
As Martin said, Wonders of the universe.
Thanks for ALL the pics,
Bill
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http://www.spacerocksinc.com/May_22.html
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Welcome Ed,
In the long run, we will all remain newbies.
Best Wishes,
Bill
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From: Ed Deckert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
I'm quite new to the group, but thought that I have been lurking around
long enough and would like to introduce
I doubt your petty attitudes and opinions were severe enough to have earned you
a ban. This list responds best to messages sent in plain HTML text format, if I
remember correctly. Your paranoia is as severe as your common sense is lacking.
Mr. Jones is patient to a fault. He probably isn't even
Thank you for pointing out my redundancy Marco,
Bill
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From: Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This list responds best to messages sent in plain HTML text format
Plain HTML text??
That's similar to talking about a virgin
Also, Mr. Langbroek,
I've been reading and appreciating the benifit of your wisdom for over 3 years
now at meteorobs. I'm suprised you would bother to correct me in such a mean
way. Are you venting on the met-list exclusivly? I've never seen you behave
that way on meteorobs, amongst your
Doug, Herman, et al.,
So much for the olive branch. Time for the hickory switch.
Bill
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From: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
About the Zagami stone:
In the Mars meteorite compendium of 2003, it seams that Bob Haag toke 9Kg of
the
Martin,
Please stop these lectures. I will decide when to buy this or that. You're
beginning to sound like a meteorite dealer.
Bill
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From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all too,
but Ken, if all are using sniper programs and
I'm kind of surprised. You certainly gave him enough time to make things right.
Makes me wonder about all those Jones (Park Forest) micros.
Good luck,
Bill
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Mccarthy; I personally applaud you for your post to the
Adam and others,
If NWA is scarce why are you dumping all your garbage for a nickel a gram?
Could it be all the 1000s of kilos that are stashed are so much better? You
should be saving this precious hoard. Dean's right as usual.
Don't speak of the business of kings. I doubt you know their
How could Martian desert varnish survive ablation? This is crazy talk.
Bill
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From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.imperial.ac.uk/P7911.htm
Was there life on Mars? Shiny rock coating may hold the answer
Imperial College
Walter,
There is no subject that Doug isn't well versed in. Don't stir him up. He's not
a modest genius.
Bill
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From: Walter L. Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Doug
I will have to admit, you have a way with words. I have noticed that since
Michael,
I bet Walter has been familiarized with the rules by now. Are you an official
moderator? I know someone is bouncing my posts. I can't say that I blame that
authority. Walter did go on way too much about the feedback thing. Now he seems
to be focusing on the most important subject at
Hi Steve and all,
The deserts of the SW part of North America are very unforgiving in late July.
As a young man I spent a few years out there. Many list members from the world
over have posted valuable information concerning desert hunting. Read
everything you can before you venture into what
Hi all,
I've heard this issue addressed before but the answers are kind of vague. I
just bought a few PF's that were picked up the morning after the fall. They
were stored in baggies. They are very nice with thick rich crust but they are
starting to freckle. Doug offered this not long ago;
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/guitar-picks-from-space-meteoric-sound-astronomic-price-185611.php
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I think Mr. Stimpson should clean them all up and put together a much vaunted
puzzle stone.
Bill
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From: Jeff Kuyken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Another way to look at it is by past finds. How about Huckitta!? THE largest
pallasite. Actually, the
This auction is aggravating enough but has anyone checked the shipping and
handling charges for that worthless crumb? $89.05 to my Chicago burb.
Bill
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Hi Steve,
I appreciate your offer but what do you suppose anyone would do with .03g? It
isn't worth the postage stamp. .03 is maybe a typo?
Bill
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From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello list.I was wondering if there are any
Martin,
I recommend we wait and see what this beautiful iron is. Your posts are
becoming endless infomercials.
Bill
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From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Steve, list
price of $12,500 is a deal indeed. Even a 127 lb Sikhote
I know the intentions of the directors, and personally, I can guarantee you
that the sort of wanton buying of everything in sight that you so fear
won't
occur. If that's not good enough for you, I see no reason to continue this
argument, because you don't believe what I'm saying in the first
My first car was a 1964 Caliente :)
Bill
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From: Martin Horejsi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi All,
I was just wondering if anyone else out there drives a meteorite
vehicle. What I mean by that is that the name of your car/van/truck
etc. is
I'll make the safe bet with LL5 or LL6.
Bill
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From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Summary of Norwegian meteorite prognostications in the order posted:
Bjorn Sorheim: OC
Bernd Pauli: LL5 or LL6
Pat Brown: carbonaceous
Marcin
Nice ride. I forgot that one. It looks earlier than than the comet and
caliente. I had 2 comets and 1 caliente. I just looked at a red 64 convertible
on ebay and it was up to 7Gs. Lol! I can't use it, mine was yellow with a black
convertible top. Had the custom special order wood grain
Typical Adam reply. He heard out house and... well you read it. As I understand
they are referring to an out building as in a shed or pole barn. I have to
agree with the run on magnets. I hope everyone that has a look, finds one.
Grats to all the new meteorite enthusiasts that this new fall
Like The price is right. I guess 2345.68 grams. :P
Bill
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From: Martin Horejsi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 7/17/06, Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is a large area and I predict many stones will be found.
Great idea Mike whether
I hope the lyrics of this song prove to be inapplicable. It's a good choice
nonetheless.
Bill
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Hi Moni,
if they won't behave, like that European team from a country starting with
P trampling
Dean,
One meteor a minute is a pretty fine display! If you want the latest
information from the best observers in the world, subscribe to the meteorobs
mailing list.
Clear skies,
Bill
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From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I saw my first
These guitar picks have to rank high among the basest uses of meteorites.
http://starmediagroup.web.aplus.net/wwwmeteoriteguitarpickscom/index.html
Bill
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From: Dave Carothers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good evening all,
This is, without a doubt,
Hi all,
Priority shipping and combining purchases is a simple tool to motivate
customers to buy more in order to offset shipping costs. The frugal buyer feels
more comfortable with the shipping cost even though they may be buying material
they really didn't care much about. I'm sure all micro
Hi all,
I was watching golf on TV today. A commercial came on that portrayed Tiger
Woods missing a putt. He complained, in the commercial, that he forgot to
consider the rotation of the planet when he made that shot. I wonder if
anything so miniscule as a golf shot could be affected by
Used car
dealers, politicians, and snake oil salesmen and the imca for the most part
have to
be regulated by an informed consuming public, and we cannot legislate
society no how much (I) we would like to.
Bill
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From: Dave Freeman mjwy
Hey,
Every city has a Bozo. Don't blame it on Chicago. LA Bozo was more renowned
than Chi Bobozo.
Bill
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From: Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is the same old argument that has STAINED this list for the 6+ years I
have been on it. The guy in
Sorry,
It's very good practice to correct an improper ad. It doesn't matter if the
info is intentionally misleading or the result of incompetence. Newbies like me
need the help of well informed members to save us dollars and grief.
Bill
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That's the issue. How is a novice to know who is reputable? Pounding imca tags
down our throats is meaningless. It all boils down to patience, research and a
lot of common sense. Let's face it. Chi Steve and Matteo were imca members and
officially respectable for quite some time. It's not
The thing that gets me is the fact that this Moroccan dealer uses many names
and all the emails come from France. I was impressed by Joels recommendation of
course but Joel and that astrocomical research guy recommend this person by all
his names. What's the deal? Why can't he use one identity?
Stefan,
Are you questioning genius? Steve knows when to hold them or fold them. He
knows when to walk away too. He is the mysterious meteorite man. The Green
Giant with a cold shoulder ;). I quote his introduction exactly, I am an
important meteorite dealer.
Bill
-- Original
Please clarify this. Do you mean pail o'meteorite or pile o'meteorite? It could
be important.
Bail
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From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Take a Nantan, place it in the bathroom and in 1 months, you'll have a
paleometeorite.
I guess,
When I hear the word Paleo, this is what comes to mind.
http://www.archaeolink.com/paleoanthropology_index.htm
This discussion is heading in the same direction as the Pluto problem. Word
semantics overruling reality.
Bill
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From: Michael
Billions and billions of dollars...
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/shows/2006/09/13/PM200609135.html
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It's amazing you got it at all. Some postal workers chuck packages that are
found in the cracks so late. My most vintage delivery was a bit over 7 months.
It was from Los Angeles, lost in Utah, Ogden was the last postmark if I
remember correctly.
Congratulations on your new acquisition,
Bill
How about one of those old wrecking balls used to demolish buildings?
Bill
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George and all:
This ball was found only a foot or two under ground and dug up with a backhoe.
It is iron, 9 1/4 inch in diameter and
Rob,
We all get burned once in a while. We don't eliminate fire or passion. Your
students probably won't buy questionable junk since they are your students.
Offer a little buyer beware advice. It may be crass but every collector has to
deal with tantalizing choices and reason doesn't always
According to this, the BIG signal was an abandoned oil well.
Buster and I are in Kansas with other volunteers of the Houston museum
of Natural Science to unearth Brenham meteorites, (which have been
gathered for at least a hundred years, and previously thousands
of years ago by ancient Hopewell
Steve,
You're only 24 miles from Marengo and 107 miles from Woodbine.
Bill
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From: steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good morning list from very windy chicago.I do not
really know if this thread has ever been brought to
the list.How many
Hi all,
I've been wondering if after all the experienced hunters that have been
through this area, any meteoric material unrelated to the March fall has been
found. In my limited study I see that this occurs once in a while. How likely
are instances like this in similar parts of the U.S.?
Hi all,
I've been reading the archives like a devoted newbie should. I just can't get
over the negative threads about the people here on the South Side of Chicago.
I've been here since 1963. The stories written about encounters with
the locals are absolutely wild. Crazed women stalking the
Let's see. Cubes, quarters, a variety of fingers that look like something out
of the thansgiving parade, for micro's, various hand poses to compliment
size. All viable methods...
Ok, But when I am looking to buy a meteorite, and it is sitting next to a
meteorite on someone desk, why do we
What IS a reasonable price for Zagami anyway? 375 per gram? Don't we usually
pay less for larger specimens? How does an outfit with 1537 negative
feedbacks get hold of something like this and better yet expect
uncompromising confidence?
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I'm not sure I understand you. What do current values have to do with
previous ones?
At $350/gr. after the $1000/gr. or $2000/gr. request
time agonever people buy a similar piece.
Regards
Matteo
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What IS a reasonable price for Zagami anyway? 375
per
This reminds me of the old issue of first class versus air mail, a while
back... Eventually everything was sent airmail but the P.O. still charged
extra for airmail. USPS seems to be raising rates as internet traffic
increases. Shouldn't they be doing the opposite or at least mantaining rates?
Thank's for sparking my mind, Tom. I wish I could help with Gold Basin.
Sounds like a job for Lloyd Bridges of Sea hunt fame. In the same frame
though, I would very much appreciate any info. about an updated Park Forest
strewn field map.
Bill Kieskowski
Hello List, I would like a topo map
When I'm out, especially in wooded areas where enough light is penetrating
the canopy, I'm pretty much encouraged by the fact that I can see seeds in
droppings and debris that have been around for a long time, years. An old
soda bottle covered with moss still in situ on the forest floor
Gold Basin, Park Forest Unique situations, both. Rooting around the last
pristine areas, the woods herenapalm is not an option.
Bill Kieskowski
You could always burn the forest down and wait for the rain to wash the
black soot off the rocks to make the black crusted meteorites stand
Hi Marcia,
Property varies so much from one juristiction to another. Public domain has
been outlined by the Supreme Court in cases of lost or discarded artifacts.
The FBI felt the need to set these precidents so they could dig through trash
on parkways for evidence in court. I read an old
David,
Your ethics are beyond reproach but in an one hour old strewn field it would
be such a waste to delay recovery waiting for permission to look in a K-Mart
parking lot. I know I would never get a reply. This is a pretty unique
situation. I doubt if anyone walked away from a fresh rock
Tom,
This is the suburbs. There is no land to manage other than the average front
lawn. There are a lot of dogs that I might take issue with though...
Bill
Hello List, This is related to meteorites only in getting permission of land
owners for use of their property. This is just a lesson in
The federal court says that anything found on a parkway, the strip of land
between the sidewalk and the curb, the sidewalk itself, the street and any
public property designated as such by the village will be the legal possesion
of the one who has taken it. If the contents of a household are
Mark,
The police make plenty of bad decisions. That's why we have a system of
checks and balance. The police can only get away with things if they go
unchallenged.I've found that it's sometimes best to let them have their way,
as much as it urks me. It's always a choice made from a financial
Wow! That guy looks like I feel after a hard day dodging gangsters and wild
dogs. Must be rough prospecting those BLM lands, dodging claim jumpers and
all. Is it true he's only 53 years old?
Bill Kieskowski
Hey list, This looks like an actual meteorite to me! Maybe a new Utah
meteorite!
Hi Steve and all,
I find his negative feedback more offensive than anything else and yes, why
would the owner of such an important piece turn it over for sale to anyone
other than the most credible dealer/dealers? Maybe it's because credible
dealers explained a more reasonable way to deal with
What's the fee for starting an item at 450,000 anyway? I must be honest and
admit I'm too lazy to go through all the red tape to research it myself.
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The best thing I remember are the prices some of the last specimens sold for.
They were very inexpensive.
Bill Kieskowski
List members,
For those who do not know what the BL meteorite discussion is about. You
would have to go back about two years ago when Dean went into one of his
I
Adam,
Some of the things you said seemed a bit rude. Maybe I read too many old
threads. Maybe I still had my hackles up about your PF story. I've never met
you so I realize I have no right to pick at a few off color remarks or make
my own. Based on my few simple dealings with you, I do know
Mark and all,
I'll share one story about an ebay listing. A gentleman listed, METEORITES
FROM A RECENT CRASH, no picture and no description. I noticed that he lived
in a town about 2 miles away from me so I contacted him and drove over to his
home. He sold me over 600g of pristine pf at a
Hi all,
I just can't see how anyone could deny a person that gets there first and is
ready to dive into raw sewage some credit. Anyone here ever rod their own
sewer in a crawl space??
Bill Kieskowski
Randy and others,
Is it a competition to get to a fall first?...you bet it is!!!...while
Yeah right. Russia has the same policy
Bill Kieskowski
The Indian government has a publication (a copy of which I obtained from
Mike Farmer) on that country's archive of meteorites for research. In it
they state the gvt. policy that all meteorites found in that country are
property of
Matteo,
I may think you are the most sour grape in Italy. I would have commented in
your pigeon english but I can't figure it out. I don't speak a word of
Italian but it seems you intentionaly used mumbo jumbo talk for some vested
reason. Tell me that I'm wrong.
Bill Kieskowski
There is not
Superlatives are fine. I appreciate the exact weight of the specimen included
in the title as well though. Sure saves time.
Bill Kieskowski
Last time I went to school a $144.00 item which was priced at $1.00 a
gram usually means that the weight is 144 grams.And Welcome again
to the
We do have a standard for that. It's called a guarantee. We all have
different levels of experience and expertee's, not to mention eyesight.
Feedback and research help but they can be misleading as well. Nothing can
replace an established reputation of honesty and quality. Labels and
For the record. The first experience I ever had with a meteorite dealer was
only months ago. I placed a few adds on free ad sites asking for PF
meteorites. I figured what the heck. The second person I heard from was
Matteo. He badgered me to buy pf from him for $40g. I told him I was buying
Stu is so right. Don't get distracted by anything. If you have a beef, take
it up when you get home!
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You incredible idiot!! The only piece I've sold so far was a 40g piece on
ebay with no reserve.
Bill Kieskowski
hahhahaha nice history, now for how much you find PF
from you? Ask to others for how much give you, if ask
under $30/gr. or $40/gr.
Matteo
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I only speak for myself. I see that whenever there is a new fall, many get
agitated. This recent situation stirred up a lot of guts. 2 falls in a week
or so? This sort of thing is what we think of all the time so when it happens
and we can't all be involved we, or i should say I, get a bit
Sir,
When I hear squat like that I wish I had a small device as portayed in the
Simpsons cartoon that has a button to press saying, go to hell, go to hell.
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Michel,
Forgive my naivity. On what criteria and upon what schedule do you suppose
your L3.8 will be properly classified?
Bill Kieskowski
Dear list
I sold the stone to Marcin under the tempory name SWA 01003.
He asked me what could be the definte name. I said to him that I was in
I agree so much!
Being new I am empathic to that. More new members opinions would be a great
pleasure to hear. Something I could relate to a bit more. It's a priveledge
to listen to the sum total of the knowlege of so many
brilliant minds! As so many have said though, many of us newbies are
I wonder what a thin section of a low sugar oat
meal cookie would look like
Dear Tom, and List;
It must be Mars proximity, the war, season's change, the world series.
All crabby-appleton's, don't be such a bunch of shut in's and give the
list and your emotions a break. Go for a walk even.
Tom,
I've noticed that as well. I havn't graphed it yet but I'd say that at least
75% of all newbie questions, asked of the list, get blown off. But talk about
a muddy rock on ebay goes on for days! Where is the real concern? Genuine
sharing is not always forthcoming for many obvious reasons.
Another thing that everyone I'm sure has noticed are ridiculous prices that
seem to be pretty consistent on dealer websites. It's a spider/fly mentality.
Oh...Geee...This meteorite on ebay is worth how much? I'll just go check all
the dealer sites...Oh! NWAXXX sells for 200.00g and its only
Mr. Blood,
I have read a lot of what you say and believe it or not I understand your
views. Sometimes it's a lot more difficult to realize your views than it is
to verbalize them.
Bill Kieskowski
Hi All,
I must say I am a bit shocked that my most recent installment
of my 4 part
My old dead mother-in-law from Sweetwater Texas always said, Don't go
digging up dead snakes. I heard that echoing as I went through the archives.
She was a tough old woman! I respected her a lot! I think that anyone that
thinks they are beyond improvement in any way shape or form are of the
Wow. I just now saw the story on BBC about the Chinese launch. Forgive me for
being superfluous but I have a large collection of space related newspapers.
Headlines going back before Sputnik. Does anyone have access to a copy of a
major Chinese publication with the headline in the Chinese
Matteo,
I havn't decided whether to pity you or dislike you.
Bill Kieskowski
And I REPEAT I am under waith write in pubblic all
this informations ofIt has been extremely well
documented that in addition to being a cheat, you are,
clearly, without question, a liar.come on I am
under
Matteo,
You are a man of class and distinction. Buy it and tell us all about it
afterwards.
Bill Kieskowski
Hello
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2196957976category=3239
for me is many many many similar to Taza
individuals
regards
Matteo
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M come
I very simply see the pattern of human nature. It's just the way we are.
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Don't forget Clutch Cargo, Spinner and Paddlefoot and of course the real
hero, Swampy. Yum Yum Golubkies. Baron Barracuda might disagree but he was
generally disagreeable anyway. Triggerfish can attest to that! god i'm old!
no wonder I respect meteorites so much. I guess Ding Dong school is
Matteo,
We all see you have a few screws loose. Tone it down or at least let your
caregivers help you translate your emotions into a believable, rational
representation of the honest person you claim to be.
Bill
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From: M come
GOD, darren,
Don't you just love words like opinion, theory, conjecture. I'm humbled by the
process. Accept the fact that we are too primitive to comprehend the workings
of the universe and go with the flow.
Bill
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From: Darren Garrison
On the contrary,
I think the insistence of superiority driven by human ego is way out of
control. I could tell you what I think but there is no doubt in my mind that
you have already considered all these issues. I consider all things that I am
able to understand. Was that a redundant
Hey! I know that man. He's my monkeys' uncle.
Bill
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Wow, I just found a direct link between the Kansas ID debate and meteorite
collecting. In reading a
transcript of arguments from the public in
Greg,
Are you implying that Adam has a future?
Bill
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Hello everyone,
Not that I would love to see a ...total collapse... but if it does, or the
market is in ruin, than I say, Buy all you can while
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