[meteorite-list] BOLIDE EVENT IN VA
There are audio clips, GOES-16 EAST imagery, and one fireball report to AMS to support a probable bolide event at approximately 1023 this morning in the vicinity of Front Royal - Luray - Buckingham County Virginia. Cloudy weather hampered additional sightings. Awaiting response from FAA as to radar track data. I am sure there are rocks on the surface/in the ocean somewhere. Sky Guy Greg Greg Redfern Author *"Astrophotography Is Easy! Basics for Beginners:, available via Springer Astronomy <https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9783030459420>* *"Cruise Ship Astronomy and Astrophotography", available via Springer Astronomy <https://www.springer.com/us/book/9783030009571#aboutAuthors>* NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm> Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> WTOP <https://wtop.com/author/greg-redfern/> __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Blast crater in Nigeria: meteor or truck explosion?
https://www.thecable.ng/akure-incident-was-caused-by-explosives-mining-society-counters-oau-prof Greg Redfern Author, *"Cruise Ship Astronomy and Astrophotography", available via Springer Astronomy <https://www.springer.com/us/book/9783030009571#aboutAuthors>* NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm> Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> WTOP <https://wtop.com/author/greg-redfern/> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 11:15 AM Jack N via Meteorite-list < meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > Thanks for posting. “foreign rocks and strange metallic objects” sounds > very promising > > On 1/4/20 11:10 pm, Yinan Wang via Meteorite-list wrote: > > Thought I'd post this here since I haven't heard much about it: > > > > https://www.nairaland.com/5763081/akure-explosion-impact-meteors-not > > __ > > > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and > the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Costa Rica Fall Blog Piece
All, *Enjoywhat a FALL* <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com/2019/05/look-at-this-meteorite-never-seen.html> ! The spectra of AGUAS ZARCAS (interim title pre-classification) MATCHES *MURCHISON <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/murchison-meteorite/>*! WOW OH WOW! What treasures will be found in the interior of this very probable (99.9+% certain) CM fall AND the probable determination of its orbit due to all of volcano camera footage that exists. This will be one to watch and BUY if you can. Mike Farmer may have some left and reportedly Robert Ward is sold out, but check. Sky Guy Greg Greg Redfern Author, *"Cruise Ship Astronomy and Astrophotography", available via Springer Astronomy <https://www.springer.com/us/book/9783030009571#aboutAuthors>* NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm> Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> WTOP <https://wtop.com/author/greg-redfern/> __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Costa Rica Fall Blog Piece
*PLEASE DELETE MY LAST EMAIL ON *Costa Rica Fall Blog Piece Greg Redfern Author, *"Cruise Ship Astronomy and Astrophotography", available via Springer Astronomy <https://www.springer.com/us/book/9783030009571#aboutAuthors>* NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm> Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> WTOP <https://wtop.com/author/greg-redfern/> On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 8:03 AM Greg Redfern wrote: > All, > > *Enjoywhat a FALL* > <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com/2019/05/look-at-this-meteorite-never-seen.html> > ! > > The spectra of AGUAS ZARCAS (interim title pre-classification) MATCHES > *MURCHISON > <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/murchison-meteorite/>*! > > WOW OH WOW! > > What treasures will be found in the interior of this very probable (99.9+% > certain) CM fall AND the probable determination of its orbit due to all of > volcano camera footage that exists. > > This will be one to watch and BUY if you can. > > Mike Farmer may have some left and reportedly Robert Ward is sold out, but > check. > > Sky Guy Greg > > Greg Redfern > Author, *"Cruise Ship Astronomy and Astrophotography", available via > Springer Astronomy > <https://www.springer.com/us/book/9783030009571#aboutAuthors>* > NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador > <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm> > Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> > Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> > WTOP <https://wtop.com/author/greg-redfern/> > > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Interesting Article
*https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/earth-hit-by-17-meteors-a-day <https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/earth-hit-by-17-meteors-a-day>* Greg Redfern Author, *"Cruise Ship Astronomy and Astrophotography", available via Springer Astronomy <https://www.springer.com/us/book/9783030009571#aboutAuthors>* NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm> Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> WTOP <https://wtop.com/author/greg-redfern/> __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] lunar meteorite-related: new Apollo 11 film
All, Apollo 11 the Movie is a MUST SEE. I saw it at Udvar Hazy IMAX and it was the next best thing to being there Sky Guy Greg Greg Redfern Author, *"Cruise Ship Astronomy and Astrophotography", available via Springer Astronomy <https://www.springer.com/us/book/9783030009571#aboutAuthors>* NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm> Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> WTOP <https://wtop.com/author/greg-redfern/> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 9:06 AM Dolores Hill via Meteorite-list < meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > Greetings Meteorite-List friends and lunar meteorite admirers, > > Before we identified lunar meteorites that collided with Earth, the only > samples of the moon for research came from the Apollo and Luna missions. > > *We invite you to enjoy **Apollo 11*, a new film premiering this Friday > at The Loft Cinema in Tucson, Arizona. It contains never-before-seen > footage from this historic mission to the moon. Watch it on the biggest > screen in southern Arizona (perhaps all of Arizona?) and feel the adventure > as you ride along with Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, and Michael Collins. > (Be sure to select "screen 1" showtimes). See here for more information: > https://loftcinema.org/film/apollo-11/ > > Staff from the Lunar and Planetary Laboratory will greet you before the > evening showings on Friday and display moon maps made by Gerard Kuiper's > team that helped determine landing sites and assisted astronauts with > crater identification. We will also display modern moon globes and a disk > from the University of Arizona's Bicentennial Moon Tree whose seeds > traveled to the moon and back on Apollo 14. > > > In addition, for LPL's *Apollo50 Celebration on July 20, 2019*, we are > looking for those who worked on some aspect of the Apollo missions. We want > to hear your story! Contact Maria Schuchardt at mari...@lpl.arizona.edu > if you would like to share your contribution or a family member's > contribution. > > Best regards, > Dolores Hill > > -- > Dolores H. Hill > Sr. Research Specialist > Lunar & Planetary Laboratory > Kuiper Space Sciences Bldg. #92 > The University of Arizona > 1629 E. University Blvd. > Tucson, AZ 85721http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/ > > OSIRIS-REx Asteroid Sample Return Mission Communication & Public Engagement > Team > Lead OSIRIS-REx Ambassadors program > Co-lead OSIRIS-REx Target Asteroids! citizen science program > Co-coordinator Target NEOs! observing program of the Astronomical League > Association of Lunar & Planetary Observers - Meteorite Section > http://osiris-rex.lpl.arizona.edu/http://osiris-rex.lpl.arizona.edu/?q=target_asteroidshttp://www.astroleague.org/files/u3/NEO_HomePage.pdf > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: 1/17/18 Bolide-Seismic Event
Dear List, Thought I would share this info from Dr. Larry Ruff, University of Michigan. Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm> Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> WTOP <http://wtop.com/section/tech/the-space-place-tech/> Dear Greg, I'll try to provide some quick responses to your questions: "Is that due to the proximity of the bolide to the seismic monitoring station(s) or some other factor? How many have you seen?" Yes, it is the combination of proximity & event size that makes the largest wave amplitudes. Over the years, this is the ONLY clear meteor-generated waves that I've seen at Ann Arbor. IN the past I have looked for waves at Ann Arbor from 2 large sonic booms (one over Lake Michigan, the other over Ohio), but did not found any waves above noise level. "Also, is there any way to correlate the USGS Magnitude 2.0 assessment to the amount of kinetic energy released in the form of the acoustic waves from this bolide event?" Very difficult and tricky. The magnitude scale was developed for seismic waves from earthquakes, and the wave characteristics are quite different from an atmospheric event. Previous scientific work shows that there is fairly weak coupling from air waves to seismic waves, so any energy connection is poorly determined. "Finally, is U-M mounting an information campaign to educate the public on what to look for in terms of new meteorites." As I far as I know, there is no public educational campaign today, but there are a few faculty who want to go find some meteorites if they can get a more precise location for the debris. regards, Larry Ruff On 1/17/18, Greg Redfern <gredfern...@gmail.com> wrote: > Good Morning Dr. Ruff, > > I am the space reporter for WTOP (see my links below) and have a few > questions regarding this amazing event, if you don't mind. > > In the U-M Press Release they quoted you as saying, "This is the strongest > signal—the best seismogram—of all the ones I've seen over the years at the > Ann Arbor station." > > Is that due to the proximity of the bolide to the seismic monitoring > station(s) or some other factor? How many have you seen? > > Also, is there anyway to correlate the USGS Magnitude 2.0 assessmen > <https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us2000ck7p#executive>t > to the amount of kinetic energy released in the form of the acoustic waves > from this bolide event? > > Finally, is U-M mounting an information campaign to educate the public on > what to look for in terms of new meteorites. > > Thank you so much and good luck on finding new space rocks! > > Greg Redfern > NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm > > Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> > Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> > WTOP <http://wtop.com/section/tech/the-space-place-tech/> > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Seismic Event w/ Bolide?
List, Has there been other bolide events that have had a seismic correlation? It is being reported that USGS recorded a 2.0 magnitude seismic event with this morning's Michigan et al bolide event. I would think that would have to equate to enough kinetic energy upon impact of the main body to create a crater of some size. Thoughts from experts like Mr. Matson ;-) Thanks. Sky Guy Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm> Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> WTOP <http://wtop.com/section/tech/the-space-place-tech/> __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: SSA - Solar System Ambassadors Program Accepting Applications
FYI. Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm> Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> WTOP <http://wtop.com/section/tech/the-space-place-tech/> -- Forwarded message -- From: ambassad <ambas...@jpl.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 7:07 PM Subject: SSA - Solar System Ambassadors Program Accepting Applications To: The annual application period for Solar System Ambassadors has begun and will run through the end of the month. Please share the following opportunity announcement with anyone you know who is interested in joining us. Thanks very much. Kay Ferrari *Solar System Ambassadors Program Accepting Applications* The NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Solar System Ambassadors Program, a nationwide network of space enthusiast volunteers, will be accepting applications from *Sept. 1 through 30, 2016*. Highly motivated individuals will be given the opportunity to represent NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory as volunteer SSAs to the public for a one-year, renewable term beginning Jan. 1, 2017. While applications are being sought nationwide, interested parties from the following areas are especially encouraged to apply: Alaska, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Mississippi, Nebraska, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, the District of Columbia and U.S. territories. SSA hopes to add 100 new volunteers to the program in 2017. To learn more about the SSA Program and to apply online, visit https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm. The Announcement of Opportunity and application form will be available through September 30. If you have questions about this opportunity, contact Kay Ferrari, SSA Coordinator, by email at ambas...@jpl.nasa.gov. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dirk Ross Please Email Me Off List - Thanks
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Re: [meteorite-list] Dodging death in the Czech Republic
Looks like slag & I love the "it felt warm when I touched it"...dead give away. We had a -10 bolide last Friday night that fragmentedneed to make my report to AMS but have been busy w/ the Night Sky Festival at Shenandoah National Park. Somebody got meteorites out of that one in WVA or father W. All the best Sky Guy Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm> Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> WTOP <http://wtop.com/section/tech/the-space-place-tech/> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list < meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > As the Count said, far too light. End of story. But it's good that he put > it inside a plastic bag to > protect himself from radiation. Next time I'm getting x-rays at the > dentist, I'll tell her she > can forgo the lead apron -- a plastic sheet will work just fine. ;-) --Rob > > -Original Message- > From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] > On Behalf Of Tommy via Meteorite-list > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 8:49 AM > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Lucky teen inches from death as METEORITE crash > lands next to him > > > Rght. > > > http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/534338/Lucky-teen-inches-death-METEORITE-crash-lands-next-him > > > Regards! > > > Tom > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] DMV FIREBALL ALERT
A BRIGHT (-8+ magnitude) greenish-white fireball was seen in the SE from Central VA at 8:55 pm EDT. There w two terminal bursts (no sound) at the end of flight that probably resulted in meteorites on the ground or in the Atlantic. The fireball passed below Mars and was heading in a diagonal downward direction to the horizon.I'll gather more details for my official report. Please tell anyone who saw it to report their observations to American Meteor Society. <http://www.amsmeteors.org/fireballs/> I'd appreciate any reports as well. Sky Guy Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm> Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> WTOP <http://wtop.com/section/tech/the-space-place-tech/> __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5000 Goes Ivy League - NEW Display at Yale!
Absolutely beautiful Greg.. Congratulations! Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm> Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> WTOP <http://wtop.com/section/tech/the-space-place-tech/> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 3:20 AM, Greg Hupe via Meteorite-list < meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > Dear Meteorite Friends, > > I am proud to announce the Grand Opening of a very special display in the > Peabody Museum at Yale University! My loan of the main mass of lunar > meteorite Northwest Africa 5000 (NWA 5000), combined with an ancient clay > tablet from the Yale Babylonian Collection (MLC 1880 - 'Velocity of the > Moon'), is sure to amaze and thrill the public throughout the year. In > addition to these authentic specimens, there is a full size painted replica > of NWA 5000 to compliment the display and offer a glimpse of what the uncut > mass looked like before sharing samples with the world. > > I would like to thank everyone involved who helped make this special > occasion possible. Without the dedication and enthusiasm from these > professionals I would not have been able to share such a marvel of nature! > > The display is scheduled to run through November 30, 2016. Please share in > my excitement by viewing a few images I present here: > > NWA 5000 display with Babylonian clay table 'Velocity of the Moon': > http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/NWA5000/NWA5000-PeabodyMuseum1.jpg > > NWA 5000 Main Mass: > http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/NWA5000/NWA5000-PeabodyMuseum2.jpg > > Babylonian clay tablet 'Velocity of the Moon': > http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/NWA5000/NWA5000-PeabodyMuseum3.jpg > > NWA 5000 replica (actual size before cutting of mass): > http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/NWA5000/NWA5000-PeabodyMuseum4.jpg > > Best Regards, > Greg > > > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > gmh...@centurylink.net > www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog & Reference Site) > www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) > NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest & eBay) > http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault > http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault > IMCA 3163 > > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ISS Meteor Mission
Dear List, Check out this upcoming Meteor Mission <http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/experiments/1323.html> to the ISS. The results of this two year on orbit mission should be very interesting. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm> Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> WTOP <http://wtop.com/section/tech/the-space-place-tech/> __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Very Very cool Meteor video
AGREED. Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm> Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> WTOP <http://wtop.com/section/tech/the-space-place-tech/> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 2:40 AM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list < meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > My god what an awful fake. > > Michael Farmer > > > On Feb 21, 2016, at 10:35 PM, ian macleod via Meteorite-list < > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all checkout this awesome video, that isnt no satellite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.msn.com/en-au/video/downtime/extremely-close-meteor-strike-caught-on-film/vi-BBpJilu?ocid=mailsignout > > > > > > This man was out testing his new camera mount when he happened to catch > a meteor entering the atmosphere. Not only is the bright light amazing, but > the sonic boom is ... > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Ian Macleod > > > > __ > > > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and > the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] {MPML} Re: Meteorite death?
A dynamite detonation is far more plausible than the information/images in the media that claim it was a meteorite. The local law enforcement officials should be conducting a full fledged death investigation to include autopsy of the victim, medical examination of those injured, forensic examination of the shattered windows, crater and any other visible damage. Witness interviews apparently have been obtained. If done properly this will put this episode of meteorite blame to rest. Best to all, Greg Redfern Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm> Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> WTOP <http://wtop.com/section/tech/the-space-place-tech/> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Bob King via Meteorite-list < meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > Hi Thomas and Marco, > Maybe you already know, but the story circulating now is that the police > determined it was a dynamite explosion caused by a small fire. Please see > my blog on the topic (go to the update at the end of the blog) at: > http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2016/02/08/did-a-meteorite-kill-a-bus-driver-in-india/ > > Best always, > Bob > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Thomas Dorman drygulch...@yahoo.com > [mpml] <mpml-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> I spoke to a good friend last night about this event. This person travels >> the world recovering meteorites for research and museums and he is telling >> me it's non-sense but with the caveat of do not be surprise that the final >> analysis from India will be it's meteorites but the rock analyzed will >> not be the rock claimed recovered from the site and shown in photos.. For >> what it's worth. >> Regards >> Thomas >> >> __._,_.___ >> -- >> Posted by: Thomas Dorman <drygulch...@yahoo.com> >> -- >> Reply via web post >> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mpml/conversations/messages/31794;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMmhmcm4xBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4MDY1OTEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDgyODA1BG1zZ0lkAzMxNzk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTQ1NTAzMDAxNg--?act=reply=31794> >> • Reply to sender >> <drygulch...@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Meteorite%20death%3F> • Reply to >> group <m...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Meteorite%20death%3F> • Start >> a New Topic >> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mpml/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJlYzdndDRnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4MDY1OTEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDgyODA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQ1NTAzMDAxNg--> >> • Messages in this topic >> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mpml/conversations/topics/31781;_ylc=X3oDMTM2Z2Y3NTliBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4MDY1OTEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDgyODA1BG1zZ0lkAzMxNzk0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQ1NTAzMDAxNgR0cGNJZAMzMTc4MQ--> >> (10) >> >> >> Posts to this list or information found within may be freely used, with >> the stipulation that MPML and the originating author are cited as the >> source of the information. >> Visit Your Group >> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mpml/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJla3NyNHZxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4MDY1OTEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDgyODA1BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTQ1NTAzMDAxNg--> >> >>- New Members >> >> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mpml/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMG0zcWF0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4MDY1OTEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDgyODA1BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzE0NTUwMzAwMTY-> >>2 >> >> [image: Yahoo! Groups] >> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMTJjbXNyBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzE4MDY1OTEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDgyODA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNDU1MDMwMDE2> >> • Privacy <https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html> >> • Unsubscribe <mpml-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> • Terms >> of Use <https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/> >> >> . >> >> __,_._,___ >> > > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Many updates - Tamil Nadu, India - One Killed Three Injured by Meteorite Fall Report India Police
Doesn't add up Mike. For the amount of damage and injuries reported it would have been quite the sky show. I would like to know the proximity of the injured to the alleged victim and damage to the buses. Sounds much more like a bomb blast or explosion than an impact. All the best. Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador <http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/ssa/home.cfm> Daily Blog <http://www.whatsupthespaceplace.com> Twitter <https://twitter.com/SkyGuyinVA> WTOP <http://wtop.com/section/tech/the-space-place-tech/> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list < meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > This must be the stupidest meteorite story I've ever seen. Ludicrous > > Michael Farmer > > > On Feb 8, 2016, at 12:41 AM, drtanuki via Meteorite-list < > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > > > List, > > > > Many updates -Tamil Nadu, India - One Killed Three Injured by Meteorite > Fall Report India Police > > > > > http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2016/02/tamil-nadu-india-bus-driver-killed.html > > Dirk Ross...Tokyo The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News > http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ > > __ > > > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and > the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Strikes Down Thief During Armed Robbery
From a forensics POV it is hard to believe that the meteorite would have had sufficient velocity/energy remaining after impacting and going through the roof to cause the injuries described……very hard to believe. All the best, Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador Daily Blog Twitter WTOP On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Frank Carroll via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Going 15 feet below ground does it for me! Frank Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Source is sketchy, story is sketchy, I call shenanigans. Michael in so. Cal. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Hello Listers. I am glad its the weekend :) Have a good read and enjoy:) SA Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html Website http://meteoritefalls.com Meteorite Strikes Down Thief During Armed Robbery A burglary ended in a very sudden and unexpected way yesterday, in Orange County, when a gang member was killed by a falling meteorite debris while he was holding three people at gunpoint in a Santa Ana residence. The criminal, Juan Pedro Sancho Jiménez, had just broken into a house in the Eastside area of Santa Ana, when a meteorite fragment weighting almost ½ pound pierced through the roof of the residence and hit him on the top of the head. The well-known gang member who had already spent eleven years in jail for sexual assault and armed robbery, was killed almost instantly as the meteorite passed through his skull, destroyed his spine and continued its way through many of his vital organs. Officers from the Orange County Sheriff Department arrived on the site only a few minutes after the incident, but the assailant was already dead. source:http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/meteorite-strikes-down-thief-during-armed-robbery/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Top 10 Biggest Meteor Strikes in History
All, CBIC has an asterisk next to it on that database as to its size. USGS still reports the size as ~53 miles or near the size of Popigai which MAY be related to the CBIC impact as their ages are geologically similar. Best, Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador Daily Blog Twitter WTOP On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Hi, My go to source for impact craters is the Earth Impact Database: http://www.passc.net/EarthImpactDatabase/ Here are the top 10 largest craters on Earth. Their diameters are given in kilometers. Tookoonooka 55 Beaverhead 60 Kara65 Morokweng 70 Manicouagan 85 Acraman 90 Popigai 90 Sudbury 130 Chicxulub 150 Vredefort 160 Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of David Pensenstadler via Meteorite-list Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 6:36 PM To: Matthias Bärmann Cc: Shawn Alan; Meteorite Central Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Top 10 Biggest Meteor Strikes in History And.. how about Upheaval Dome in Utah? Regards, Dave On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Matthias Bärmann meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Ladies Gentlemen, the Nördlinger Ries Crater measures 22 x 24 km, the impactor was about 1 km in diameter - should be a candidat too. Best regards Matthias Am 26.01.2015 um 21:22 schrieb Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list: Hello Listers Enjoy Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html Website http://meteoritefalls.com Top 10 Biggest Meteor Strikes in History Top 10 Biggest Meteor Strikes in History Our beloved blue planet gets pelted with debris from space all the time but, since most of it burns up or break apart in the atmosphere, it's usually not a problem. Even when one does make it to the ground, they are rarely much larger than a small rock, minimizing the damage they're capable of inflicting. Then, of course, there is that once-in-an-eon occasion where something very very large makes it through intact, and this can really do some damage. Fortunately, such hits are extremely rare, but they are worth noting, if only to serve as reminders of the power of the stars to undo the normal routine here on Earth, with little more than a few minutes' warning. So where — and when — did these monsters hit? Let's take a look at the geological records, and see. source:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUnDwn0fN3g Coming up: 10. Barringer Crater, Arizona, USA 9. Lake Bosumtwi Crater, Ghana 8. Mistastin Lake, Labrador, Canada 7. Gosses Bluff, Northern Territory, Australia 6. Clearwater Lakes, Quebec, Canada 5. The Tunguska Explosion, Siberia, Russia 4. Manicouagan Crater, Canada 3. Sudbury Basin, Ontario, Canada 2. Chicxulub Crater, Mexico 1. Vredefort Dome, South Africa Source/Other reading: http://www.flickr.com/photos/afagen/1... afagen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_C... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Bos... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistasti... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosses_B... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearwat... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manicoua... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudbury_... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulu... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vredefor... http://www.ourcuriousworld.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Top 10 Biggest Meteor Strikes in History
This Top Ten Meteor Strikes (BAD NAME) list fails to include the ~53 mile wide Chesapeake Bay Impact Crater which is far larger than some listed. Best to all, Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador Daily Blog Twitter WTOP On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Hello Listers Enjoy Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html Website http://meteoritefalls.com Top 10 Biggest Meteor Strikes in History Top 10 Biggest Meteor Strikes in History Our beloved blue planet gets pelted with debris from space all the time but, since most of it burns up or break apart in the atmosphere, it's usually not a problem. Even when one does make it to the ground, they are rarely much larger than a small rock, minimizing the damage they're capable of inflicting. Then, of course, there is that once-in-an-eon occasion where something very very large makes it through intact, and this can really do some damage. Fortunately, such hits are extremely rare, but they are worth noting, if only to serve as reminders of the power of the stars to undo the normal routine here on Earth, with little more than a few minutes' warning. So where — and when — did these monsters hit? Let's take a look at the geological records, and see. source:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUnDwn0fN3g Coming up: 10. Barringer Crater, Arizona, USA 9. Lake Bosumtwi Crater, Ghana 8. Mistastin Lake, Labrador, Canada 7. Gosses Bluff, Northern Territory, Australia 6. Clearwater Lakes, Quebec, Canada 5. The Tunguska Explosion, Siberia, Russia 4. Manicouagan Crater, Canada 3. Sudbury Basin, Ontario, Canada 2. Chicxulub Crater, Mexico 1. Vredefort Dome, South Africa Source/Other reading: http://www.flickr.com/photos/afagen/1... afagen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_C... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Bos... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistasti... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosses_B... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearwat... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manicoua... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudbury_... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulu... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vredefor... http://www.ourcuriousworld.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WWBT
All, With record rainfall the ground cover in VA is VERY heavy. Be very difficult to search w/o a detector. Look forward to seeing what everyone comes up with as to position. May be able to go looking myself. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador Daily Blog Twitter WTOP On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Rob Matson via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: I'm on it -- will let you know if anything shakes out on radar... --Rob -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 8:31 AM To: J Sinclair Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WWBT We'll have to wait for Mark Fries or Rob Matson to give us an X on the map - we need a new fall in the US. Why should Northwest Africa get all the fun? On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 8:04 AM, J Sinclair via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Possible meteorites on the ground. Lots of reports here in North Carolina. I'm also reading reports of a sonic boom and the ground shaking in Virginia. Great video from a dash cam. John On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: http://m.nbc12.com/#!/newsDetail/26050632 Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia http://www.MrMeteorite.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ohio man: Meteorite broke my Buick - CORRECT LINK
Interesting story - and interesting description of what driver said happened. Greg Redfern On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Art Jones via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Sorry, should have tested the link! http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/national/kettering-man-meteorite-broke-my-buick/nf7qN/ -Art -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Art Jones via Meteorite-list Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:52 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Ohio man: Meteorite broke my Buick In the news from this am: An Ohio man believes a meteorite hit his car early Sunday morning. Joe Massa of Kettering, Ohio, said he was driving home in the center lane on I-75 North when his Buick was struck by something around 2 a.m... http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/national/kettering-man-meteorite-broke-my-buick -Art __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ancient Earth Hammered by Double Space Impact
Popagi CBIC?? Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador Daily Blog Twitter WTOP On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov wrote: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-26172181 Ancient Earth hammered by double space impact By Paul Rincon BBC News 18 March 2014 We've all seen the films where an asteroid hurtles towards our planet, threatening civilisation. What's less well known is that menacing space rocks sometimes come in twos. Researchers have outlined some of the best evidence yet for a double space impact, where an asteroid and its moon apparently struck Earth in tandem. Using tiny, plankton-like fossils, they established that neighbouring craters in Sweden are the same age - 458 million years old. Details of the work were presented at the 45th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in The Woodlands, Texas, and the findings are to be published in the Meteoritics and Planetary Science journal. However, other scientists cautioned that seemingly contemporary craters could have landed weeks, months or even years apart. A handful of possible double impacts (or doublets) are already known on Earth, but Dr Jens Ormo says there are disputes over the precision of dates assigned to these craters. Double impact craters must be of the same age, otherwise they could just be two craters right next to each other, the researcher from the Centre for Astrobiology in Madrid, Spain, told BBC News. Dr Ormo and his colleagues studied two craters called Lockne and Malingen, which lie about 16km apart in northern Sweden. Measuring about 7.5km wide, Lockne is the bigger of the two structures; Malingen, which lies to the south-west, is about 10 times smaller. Binary asteroids are thought to form when a so-called rubble pile asteroid begins to spin so fast under the influence of sunlight that loose rock is thrown out from the object's equator to form a small moon. Telescope observations suggest that about 15% of near-Earth asteroids are binaries, but the percentage of impact craters on Earth is likely to be smaller. Only a fraction of the binaries that strike the Earth will have the necessary separation between the asteroid and its moon to produce separate craters (those that are very close together will carve out overlapping structures). Calculations suggest around 3% of impact craters on Earth should be doublets - a figure that agrees with the number of candidates already identified by researchers. The unusual geological characteristics of both Lockne and Malingen have been recognised since the first half of the 20th Century. But it took until the mid-1990s for Lockne to be formalised as a terrestrial impact crater. In the last few years, Dr Ormo has drilled about 145m down into the Malingen structure, through the sediment that fills it, down to crushed rocks known as breccias and deeper, reaching the intact basement rock. Lab analysis of the breccias revealed the presence of shocked quartz, a form of the quartz mineral that is created under intense pressures and is associated with asteroid strikes. This area was covered by a shallow sea at the time of the Lockne impact, so marine sediments would have begun to fill in any impact craters immediately after they were created. One-two punch Dr Ormo's team set out to date the Malingen structure using tiny fossilised sea creatures called chitinozoans, which are found in sedimentary rocks at the site. Their method, known as biostratigraphy, allows geologists to assign relative ages to rocks based on the types of fossil creatures found within them. The results revealed the Malingen structure to be the same age as Lockne - about 458 million years old. This seems to confirm that the area was rocked by a double asteroid strike during the Ordovician Period. Dr Gareth Collins, who studies impact cratering at Imperial College London, and was not involved with the research, told BBC News: Short of witnessing the impacts, it is impossible to prove that two closely separated craters were formed simultaneously. But the evidence in this case is very compelling. Their proximity in space and consistent age estimates makes a binary-impact cause likely. Simulations suggest the asteroid that created Lockne was some 600m in diameter, while the one that carved out Malingen was about 250m. These measurements are somewhat larger than might be suggested by their craters because of the mechanics of impacts into marine environments. Dr Ormo added that Malingen and Lockne were just the right distance apart to have been created by a binary. As mentioned, if two space rocks are too close, their craters will overlap. But to qualify as a doublet, the craters can't be too far apart, because they will exceed the maximum distance at which an asteroid and its moon can stay bound by gravitational forces. The Lockne impactor was big enough to generate what's known
Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball lights up East Coast skies
Art, List, This was a wide spread event seen over 7 states and VERY bright. Links above give all the info. Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador Daily Blog Twitter WTOP On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Art Jones art.jo...@iscs.com wrote: From Dirk: Breaking News VA NC PA fireball 27FEB2014 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2014/02/breaking-news-va-nc-pa-fireball-meteor.html From CNN: A dazzling meteor lit up skies Thursday night in at least 10 states, from Ohio to Maryland and all the way down to South Carolina. http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/28/us/east-coast-fireball/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 From Inside NoVa: An apparent fireball streaked through the skies over the Washington area Thursday evening, prompting dozens of reports to the American Meteor Society. http://www.insidenova.com/news/local/northernva/fireball-streaks-through-the-skies-over-northern-virginia/article_734854ea-a016-11e3-abb3-0019bb2963f4.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] LADEE LAUNCH VIDEO
ENJOY List! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVz9uW8-86A Greg NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Perseid Meteor Showers News, Barnyard Edition
List - I hope you get and out and see the Perseid Meteor Shower. Learn about how to see the shower and what causes it here: http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/23091333/ask-tony-and-tucker-skyguy-greg-redfern-perseid-meteor-shower#axzz2bTgABwuF Clear Skies! Sky Guy Greg __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] organics in Muchison.....
My pristine Jim Strope 80g Murchison is kept under a bell jar. I LOVE the smell of all the aromatic compounds. Smells like a fine cognac. This meteorite is a joy to behold both visually and by inhaling ;-) Greg -Original Message- From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Sent: Feb 16, 2010 6:01 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] organics in Muchison. I have to agree, this has been an awesome discussion. Murchison is one of my favorite samples in my collection. When information comes out like this, it always adds something even more special to it. Not an ad for me but, if anyone following this does not currently have a sample, Gary has some really nice samples at very good prices on ebay: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfujmonQQhtZ-1 Its a must have for collectors, and this recent news just goes to show that the study of this is ongoing. Any other links to information on this meteorite would be great! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de wrote: From: Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] organics in Muchison. To: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 4:39 PM Hello Zelimir Murchisionados, highly interesting indeed: thanks so much for informing us about your and your colleagues scientific work and giving us so the feeling of being privileged enough to sit in the very first row. If I understand your approach correct, your non-targeted focus of investigation leads directly to a highly diverse pattern. The last sentence of the abstract reads: This molecular complexity, which provides hints on heteroatoms chronological assembly, suggests that the extraterrestrial chemodiversity is high compared to terrestrial relevant biological- and biogeochemical-driven chemical space. The high level of extraterrestrial chemodiversity vs. the less diverse terrestrial chemical space - could that mean that development of life could depend on a kind of reduction of diversity? Caused by selection (= targetting?)? Life would be essentially linked to a process of picking up elements out of the construction kit? But than it begins to play by combining them? Wouldn't that point to the necessity to make a strong distinction between diversity and complexity? Could that mean that the complexity of terrestrial biological and biochemical space is a result of reduction of (initial) diversity? Perhaps six (crazy) questions too much from a non-natural scientist ... Best regards, Matthias B. - Original Message - From: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] organics in Muchison. Darren, list, The media info Darren is speaking about refers to the research we (a group of scientists) are being conducting since several months on Murchison, namely a non targeted analysis of its extraterrestrial organic contents. In a post I sent by end of last September, I had notified the list of that work by just mentioning the keywords Murchison and organic contant. The paper, that was submitted for publication in due time (right in time for the 40th anniversary of Murchison fall), was just anounced released out of press a couple of hours ago. Here is the reference: PNAS, 107 (7), 2763 -2768 (2010). Abstract can be read here: http://www.pnas.org/content/107/7/2763 More discussions are available through various media press comments (easily found by Googling with keys: Murchison, Phillippe Schmitt-Kopplin). May I just insist that the incredible number of molecules we had found originated from the fact that the screening was not targeted. Also we never claimed that any of the hundreds of thousands of molecules we detected had a pre-biotic origin, something that seems to provoke debate in the media. Our work just shows there's no shortage of molecules on meteorites in general, and in Murchison, taken as reference in particular, that origin-of-life researchers could investigate... Those familtar with Ensisheim shows might remember that Philippe (Phil) was our new enthroned Ensisheim meteorite guardian in 2008. Phil is the head of the lab in Neuherberg (Munich) where all the measurements (combined FTICR-MS,NMR GC) were run. We all, co-authors, are deeply indebted to him for his discern and faith in initiating that challenging research and for his expertise that caused its success beyond any of our initial expectations. So far we have recorded tons of other data on many more other meteorites. More exciting and weird results are coming continuously; thay will be published in the months to come. My best wishes,
Re: [meteorite-list] organics in Muchison.....
A.another Murchison connoisseur! Thanks Gary! Greg -Original Message- From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com Sent: Feb 16, 2010 9:38 PM To: Greg Redfern gredf...@earthlink.net Cc: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] organics in Muchison. Ha ha! I concur, and must confess that I too love the smell of Murchison in the morning. Sent from Gary's iPhone On Feb 16, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Greg Redfern gredf...@earthlink.net wrote: My pristine Jim Strope 80g Murchison is kept under a bell jar. I LOVE the smell of all the aromatic compounds. Smells like a fine cognac. This meteorite is a joy to behold both visually and by inhaling ;-) Greg -Original Message- From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Sent: Feb 16, 2010 6:01 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] organics in Muchison. I have to agree, this has been an awesome discussion. Murchison is one of my favorite samples in my collection. When information comes out like this, it always adds something even more special to it. Not an ad for me but, if anyone following this does not currently have a sample, Gary has some really nice samples at very good prices on ebay: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfujmonQQhtZ-1 Its a must have for collectors, and this recent news just goes to show that the study of this is ongoing. Any other links to information on this meteorite would be great! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de wrote: From: Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] organics in Muchison. To: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 4:39 PM Hello Zelimir Murchisionados, highly interesting indeed: thanks so much for informing us about your and your colleagues scientific work and giving us so the feeling of being privileged enough to sit in the very first row. If I understand your approach correct, your non-targeted focus of investigation leads directly to a highly diverse pattern. The last sentence of the abstract reads: This molecular complexity, which provides hints on heteroatoms chronological assembly, suggests that the extraterrestrial chemodiversity is high compared to terrestrial relevant biological- and biogeochemical-driven chemical space. The high level of extraterrestrial chemodiversity vs. the less diverse terrestrial chemical space - could that mean that development of life could depend on a kind of reduction of diversity? Caused by selection (= targetting?)? Life would be essentially linked to a process of picking up elements out of the construction kit? But than it begins to play by combining them? Wouldn't that point to the necessity to make a strong distinction between diversity and complexity? Could that mean that the complexity of terrestrial biological and biochemical space is a result of reduction of (initial) diversity? Perhaps six (crazy) questions too much from a non-natural scientist ... Best regards, Matthias B. - Original Message - From: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] organics in Muchison. Darren, list, The media info Darren is speaking about refers to the research we (a group of scientists) are being conducting since several months on Murchison, namely a non targeted analysis of its extraterrestrial organic contents. In a post I sent by end of last September, I had notified the list of that work by just mentioning the keywords Murchison and organic contant. The paper, that was submitted for publication in due time (right in time for the 40th anniversary of Murchison fall), was just anounced released out of press a couple of hours ago. Here is the reference: PNAS, 107 (7), 2763 -2768 (2010). Abstract can be read here: http://www.pnas.org/content/107/7/2763 More discussions are available through various media press comments (easily found by Googling with keys: Murchison, Phillippe Schmitt-Kopplin). May I just insist that the incredible number of molecules we had found originated from the fact that the screening was not targeted. Also we never claimed that any of the hundreds of thousands of molecules we detected had a pre-biotic origin, something that seems to provoke debate in the media. Our work just shows there's no shortage of molecules on meteorites in general, and in Murchison, taken as reference in particular, that origin-of-life researchers could investigate... Those familtar with Ensisheim shows might remember that Philippe (Phil) was our new enthroned
[meteorite-list] Astrocast.tv Episode 15
All, Please enjoy another great episode. ASTROCAST http://astrocast.tv/ All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 ASTROCAST http://astrocast.tv/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton
What a loss to all of us and the world at large. Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 ASTROCAST http://astrocast.tv/ -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of impact...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:57 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; carionminer...@wanadoo.fr Subject: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton Hello List-Members, Late last night I received a very sad email from Dorothy Norton. Richard Norton passed away last week, after a long illness. I had known fot quite some time that Richard was in poor health, still the news of his death came as a shock. Last time I called Dorothy, I heard piano playing in the background, Chopin and very good, I thought it was a CD playing or the radio, but Dorothy told me it was Richard, and we stopped a moment to listen, it was beautiful, I had no idea Richard was such a virtuoso. I had met Richard and Dorothy several years ago in Tucson, Thanks to Twink. I was very much a new comer then , and I found Richard to be bright, friendly, funny and so approchable. I still remember showing him a slice of Tafassasset, he looked at it with his loupe for quite a while, then told me that this meteorite left him speechless. Dorothy laughed, apparently Richard was rarely speechless. And now there is that great big hole in the middle of the Meteorite Community. Please read the obituary written by Dorothy and Joel Schiff: http://www.impactika.com/rnorton.doc I do know that Dorothy reads the List, so feel free to send her a message this way. Or, if you prefer, I'll be glad to relay your private message to her. Thank you. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ **Dinner Made Easy Newsletter - Simple Meal Ideas for Your Family. Sign Up Now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221991367x1201443283/aol?redir =http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225819%3B37274678%3Bs% 3Fhttp:%2F%2Frecipes.dinnermadeeasy.com%2F%3FESRC%3D622) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sky Telescope, June 2009 and Greg Redfern
Thank you, Bernd. LRO and LCROSS are now set to launch no earlier than 17 June 2009. I hope you and the List enjoyed the article. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 ASTROCAST http://astrocast.tv/ -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 6:21 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Sky Telescope, June 2009 and Greg Redfern Hello Folks, Just a heads-up: There is an article about NASA's Return to the Moon / Lunar Fireworks written by list member Greg Redfern. So get your copy at the newsstand if you're not subscribed to S T!. In the News Notes section you'll find a short article + photo about the stolen meteorite that was found and given back 41 years later! .. and much, much more that is worth reading! Best wishes, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Astrocast.tv Episode 14
All, Please enjoy what I think is our best episode yet. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 ASTROCAST http://astrocast.tv/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chesapeake
Hi Rob, The USAF is saying that the object WAS NOT man made! Check out the link:http://wtop.com/?nid=600sid=1636442 I am pretty sure that the object was out over the ocean when it terminated. Mystery, mystery! All the best, everybody. Greg -Original Message- From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com Sent: Mar 30, 2009 5:35 PM To: Greg Redfern gredf...@earthlink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Chesapeake bolide = Soyuz SL-4 rocket body (#34670) Hi Greg, I concur with the reentering booster explanation. It was definitely USSPACECOM catalog #34670, international designation 2009-015B, the Soyuz SL-4 upper stage. As seen from Virginia Beach, VA, the reentry track would have been highest in the northeast and heading toward the southeast horizon. (The rocket body was on a descending node.) The reentry path went right over Washington, D.C., the Chesapeake Bay and the southern DelMarVa peninsula. --Rob (Feel free to forward to the Met List) -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Redfern Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:42 AM To: meteorh...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fireballs From The Sky: Bombarded The VA-MD sighting is now being classified as the spent Russian Expedition 19 booster: http://wtop.com/?nid=25sid=1636442. All the best, Greg __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fireballs From The Sky: Bombarded
The VA-MD sighting is now being classified as the spent Russian Expedition 19 booster: http://wtop.com/?nid=25sid=1636442. All the best, Greg -Original Message- From: meteorh...@aol.com Sent: Mar 30, 2009 12:32 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fireballs From The Sky: Bombarded Hello List, Here is my take on the recent falls in North America. While there actually may be more now, as it seems like we had a long drought since Park Forest, I am wandering if much of this can be traced back to Buzzard Coulee. The Canadian event gained strong media attention shortly after it fell, and then the drama provided some great follow up stories as meteorites were actually found. Remember, Park Forest happened a couple weeks into our invasion into Iraq, and as such did not get anything near what it should have in media coverage. Monahans fell a couple of days after the Oklahoma City Bombings. Other falls just didn't get much coverage either. I remember in late 2005 (maybe very early 2006) a photographer for the Wichita Eagle came back to take photos for a follow up Brenham story a month or so after the release of the Main Mass find. He told me that the first story about the Main Mass got more hits on the newspaper's web site than any other story in the history of the paper! And I checked back after each story and it seemed each of the 4 or so follow up meteorite stories in the Wichita paper were getting the top number of hits in the given month the stories ran. Who would have ever thought meteorites were that interesting? All of a sudden the Canadian meteor(ite) story gets great coverage, as do the follow up stories, so editors everywhere now know that local fireball sightings are good news stories. Not only that, the might even lead to even bigger stories where meteorites are recovered. All in all, I think this is a case that meteorites are rising in stature in the pop culture. Maybe before, there were just as many fireballs, just fewer people may have reported them, and even fewer editors found them newsworthy. I am just hoping for a 1933 rate of local falls with recoveries to hit the U.S. again! Then again, someone up there might be mad at us and is throwing rocks at us! Steve Arnold Arkansas **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Episode 12 of Astrocast is Online
Hello, Please tune in to the latest episode of Astrocast.tv: http://astrocast.tv All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 ASTROCAST http://astrocast.tv/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Episode 11 of Astrocast.tv
Hi All, Please tune in to Episode 11 of http://astrocast.tv/ All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 ASTROCAST http://astrocast.tv/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Merry Christmas, Thanks, and 40 Years Ago Today
Of course I do Robert! The Moon was 5 days old, 30% illuminated and high in the SW skies of Southern California. Venus was also in the same section of sky as it is now. I used my 6 f/8 Edmund Scientific Newtonian to observe the Moon while Apollo 8 was in lunar orbitprobably why I am such a lunatic observer AND collector of 21 lunar meteorites including some of the best in the world made possible by you. Happy Holidays to all and may we live in an age where the 1.5 second transmission delay of astronauts on the Moon occurs again! Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 ASTROCAST http://astrocast.tv/ -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Robert Woolard Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:47 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Merry Christmas, Thanks, and 40 Years Ago Today Hello List, Just snuck away from the family celebrations to quickly say Merry Christmas to everyone on The List--- especially to Art for providing it for us all. Also, I'm sure every one knows already, but it was 40 years ago today, Christmas Eve 1968, when Apollo 8 became the first manned craft to orbit the Moon. Wow. Forty years ago today. Do all you guys who were alive then remember that night like I do? (I KNOW you do, Greg (LUNAtic) Redfern! ;-) Best wishes to all, Robert Woolard __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] It's Episode 5 of Astrocast.tv!
Hello, Please tune in to the latest episode of Astrocast.tv: http://astrocast.tv/ Thanks, Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 ASTROCAST http://astrocast.tv/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Astrocast.tv Episode 4
Hi Everyone, I hope you enjoy this episode of Astrocast.tv. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 ASTROCAST http://astrocast.tv/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Call for Articles for the November issue ofMeteorite magazine
Hi Larry, Yes I am. I am supporting both missions as an SSA and I have already written a feature article for Sky Telescope Magazine that will be in their November issue. I have enough research material and pics to write another original LRO/LCROSS story for Meteorite if you so desire. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 ASTROCAST http://astrocast.tv/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:01 PM To: Greg Redfern Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Call for Articles for the November issue ofMeteorite magazine Hi Greg: LRO and/or LCROSS I think would be of interest to the readership. Are you offering to write something? Thanks for astrocast, etc. Larry On Mon, June 23, 2008 3:59 pm, Greg Redfern wrote: A bit off topicLRO/LCROSS mission to the Moon??? Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 ASTROCAST http://astrocast.tv/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Call for Articles for the November issue ofMeteorite magazine Hello Everyone: Happy Summer Solstice! We hope that you enjoyed the May issue of Meteorite. We have just finished editing the August issue. The articles that are in the queue are all very interesting and I am sure you will enjoy them. Some articles are from long-time authors and others are from first or second time authors. Now, guess what? Yes, it is that time again! It is time to start thinking about writing an article for the November issue of Meteorite. The next deadline is August 18. Just in time to tell us about your summer meteorite hunts, your summer reading (a book review), etc. There are a number of you who put off submitting articles, so I will be getting back to you very soon. Articles can be anywhere from about 1,000 words up to 2,500 words (or a little longer) with 4 or 5 pictures. A good picture might even make it to the cover! We also welcome book reviews and letters to the editors. Please consider writing an article. If you are not sure, contact us! We hope to hear from you soon. Larry and Nancy Lebofsky Editors, Meteorite magazine __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Astrocast.tv Episode 2
Hi All, I hope you will enjoy viewing episode 2 of http://astrocast.tv/ . All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 ASTROCAST http://astrocast.tv/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How Do You Know It's A Meteorite?
Hello All, My answer is very simple - we don't know until a reputable lab says so. If the questioner has need for further response I am glad to do so by using some of the techniques described by our esteemed colleagues on this list. If the individual(s) is rational and not in a lather about how it is a meteorite regardless and the wealth and fame that is to follow, this works pretty well. All the best. Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AL Mitterling Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 3:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Thomas Webb Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How Do You Know It's A Meteorite? Hi Thomas, A response you could give in a friendly way is, why is it that you don't think it is a meteorite? Then go on with many of the tests that show that it is, (because they probably won't truly know what a meteorite is), tests positive for nickel (certain classes), has fusion or weathered fusion crust, has metal in it (again most classes and most specimens found), is irregular in shape, has rounded edges from ablation through the atmosphere, looks different from the local rocks, interiors are gray to dark brown in color, should or may attract a magnet, are usually heavier than terrestrial rock (some basalts are about as heavy as chondrites, tend to oxidize if they have been exposed to weather for very long, usually don't have bubble like cavities (only rare specimens), on a grounded edge will sometimes show little round spheroids called chondrules (if an ordinary chondrite or carbonaceous), meet most of the criteria above but not necessarily all of it. Such a question is a common laymen's question and it is a good one but they are questioning how you know. We know because we have had much more experience with specimens and identifying them. The average person doesn't know because they are not yet educated on how to know. Showing many examples of meteorites (I keep it basic because you can confuse them with too much variety) and showing them examples of most common meteorwrongs is a good start with helping them to know the difference. I've found that it takes a lot of practice (months or even a year or more) before someone new can begin to identify specimens and you always have to keep your eyes open for something totally off the wall that may be new!! I.D. comes with some responsibility. If in question send a small sample off to a qualified lab that will get back to you when they are done. Best! --AL Mitterling Thomas Webb wrote: Dear List Member, I would like to hear your most convincing response to the layman's question, How do you know it's a meteorite? My best, Thomas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Crater Found?
All, Does anyone know what field work and follow on scientific analysis was done to confirm the crater as being an impact crater? Without collection of geological data and samples from the alleged impact site followed by scientific analysis of same, it CANNOT be confirmed as an impact crater. This is analogous as to the scientific classification process that alleged meteorites must undergo in order to CONFRIM their origin. All the best. Greg Redfern -Original Message- From: Eric Wichman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 19, 2008 2:31 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New Crater Found? Hi All, Ok, not NEW in geological terms, but new to us maybe... Just received an email that and Australian geologist accidentally discovered a meteorite crater in western Australia. Dr. Hickman, from the Geological Survey of Western Australia sent the Google Earth picture to a colleague who was able to confirm that it was an undiscovered meteorite crater. The crater is now named Hickman crater. The crater is believed to be between 10,000 and 100,000 years old and is 885 feet across. SOURCE: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/03/18/google-earth-leads-geologist-to-meteor-crater You can also read more here: http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2008/03/australian_geologist_accidentally_d.html I also found another link from that article. This is probably old news but I thought I'd share: A Huge 19 mile wide Crater in the Sahara: http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2006/03/huge_crater_dis.html And Here: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060303_big_crater.html Cool stuff! Eric MW __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] History Channel - Sikhote Alin
Rhonda it is not SA, but the 6-30-08 Tunguska event. All the best, Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rhonda Rose Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] History Channel - Sikhote Alin Hi Everyone: I don't know if it's a repeat but the History Channel is doing an hour program on the Sikhote Alin right now, 8PM Eastern time zone. Rhonda Rose Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Geminids 2007 ?
From 8:04 pm to 1:30 am (Dec 13-14) saw over 150 in Greene County, VA. Saw several instances of multiple meteors at oncebest stretch was 10 in 30 seconds. Best Geminid shower ever for me. Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 12:48 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Geminids 2007 ? HelloList, Was out about 1/2 hour here in Long Island, NY tonight (12-12:30 friday) and only counted about 10. Sky was fairly clear and the weather wasn't to bad. Ron Hello List, Anyone have any reports concerning their Geminid observation this year? After several days of clouds and rain, the sky cleared up here in Little Rock just in time for a decent show. My son and I took on the just-above-freezing temp long enough to count an even 100 meteors, which took just under 1 1/2 hrs, from just after midnight to almost 1:30 am. Many were quite nice. Hope many of you had a chance to catch the show, if you were interested in doing so. Merry Christmas to all, Robert Woolard Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Comet Holmes, always the same........
Happy Thanksgiving to our American colleagues - and holiday blessing to our international colleagues. Do not forget that Murchison is thought by some in the community to be a leading candidate as a dead comet due to its 98 known amino acids and 13% water by volume. I for one love the smell of my Murchison that I keep under a bell jar - it truly smells like a cognac. All the best, Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Peterson Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 11:23 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Comet Holmes, always the same All periodic comets eventually lose their volatiles. The result is an extinct comet, although nobody knows exactly what that means... an asteroid? a loose clump of rocky material? There are asteroids which are believed to be extinct comets (3200 Phaethon, for instance, the parent body of the Geminids). Holmes is a Jupiter class comet, which means it isn't in a particularly stable orbit. It's probably only been in the inner Solar System for a few thousand years, maybe less. It also doesn't seem particularly active in general- the two known outbursts excepted. But anytime it's at all active, it is losing material, and it can't do that forever. It could also be perturbed into an orbit keeping it far from the Sun, in which case it would never be active and therefore wouldn't lose more material, or much closer (or even into) to the Sun, in which case it would rapidly lose its volatiles. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Comet Holmes, always the same Hi, I saw the picture of Comet Holmes, listed as 1892. Does it, or will it ever dissipatate? Ron __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thanksgiving and Thank You
Ditto here as well! Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 1:07 PM To: Greg Hupe; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Thanksgiving and Thank You Ditto, Happy Thanksgiving to all and to all a g'day! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Thanksgiving and Thank You Dear List Members, I would like to offer a very Happy Thanksgiving to all of our American collectors. Thanksgiving may be an American holiday, but I would like to extend to all of my friends and clients throughout the world a hearty Thanks for all of your past , present and future business with me. I truly appreciate it! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: My Blog on In the Shadow of the Moon
Hi All, You HAVE to go see this movie. I hope you enjoy my review. Here is the original link: http://community.myfoxdc.com/blogs/SkyGuy/2007/09/14/In_the_Shadow_of_th e_Moon_A_Review In the Shadow of the Moon - A Review Sep 14, 2007 | 6:06 PM Category: Weather Report This Post This post has been selected for display on the Community Pages what's this? Featured On: MyFoxDC Hi Fellow Fox 5'ers! Well, I saw In the Shadow of the Moon today and I hope all of you go see it. You do not have to be a lunatic or space nut to enjoy and appreciate this excellent examination of a pivotal, if not the most important, moment in history. The film tells us the personal story of 10 men who went to the Moon from 1969 to 1972. There are gems in their stories that I have never heard before - like Buzz Aldrin, Apollo 11, the 2nd man on the Moon - confiding to us that he partially filled a urine bag while on the last rung of the lunar module. He follows up by saying, we all had our own firsts on the Moon. The music is wonderful as are the close ups of these men, especially when seen contrasted to how they looked so long ago. To a man their eyes are still sharp and their memories of being at the Moon are vivid, as they should be. Each of them expresses how their lunar flight changed them forever. The film is done in synchronization with what was going in the U.S. at the time - assassinations, the Vietnam war, racial issues and the opening of America to the new age. The film deals with the tragedy of the Apollo 1 fire, muses on what President Kennedy would have thought about it all if he had lived, and shows us the speech as read by President Nixon that was to be delivered if Apollo 11 failed and the two on the Moon were doomed. For Mountaineerfan Shadow deals with the conspiracy nuts who contend the lunar landing never happened - but I will not give that part away. Hint, hint Mountaineerfan. Almost all of these men of the Moon had a common theme - the fragility, the uniqueness, the oasis beauty of our planet. Many of them experienced a spiritual awakening from having gone to the Moona sense of the Universe and how we are all so very, very lucky to be alive on this planet of life. There is much for the human spirit to contemplate and enjoy in this nostalgic look at the best thing humanity has accomplished so far. Wars, religions, fads and the evil we do will not be remembered in the time to hopefully come for mankind. Our first steps onto another world, however, will be. We are entering a new lunar age fellow Fox 5'ers. Some of us were around for Apollo and some weren't. Japan has launched a new mission to the Moon and others are to follow from India, China and the U.S. NASA is preparing for a manned return to the Moon by 2020 and this time I hope we stay. Seeing the lunar landscape from orbit and as the astronauts moved about its' surface while watching the film brought me to think about all the times I have looked at the Moon in the sky, through my telescopes and held a piece of it in my hand. It is my favorite place in the Universe and I can never get enough of it. You will be glad you see this film - http://www.intheshadowofthemoon.com/ All the best, SKyGuy I look forward to our return to Luna. Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New KT asteroid injection theory PART ONE
Sterling, As always, nice write up. Looking forward to part 2. I would like our colleagues to consider the Murchison fall as a meteorite that could very well be the missing link between an active and dead comet. With its' high % of water (13%) by volume and the scores of amino acids it contains - I'm sure Bernd could give us the exact water % and AA count to date and which I believe is 98 - Murchison is quite extraordinary. Each of the NASA and ESA missions to comets and asteroids are helping us to fill in the gaps of our knowledge. But one has to wonder what is left when a comet has sublimated all of its' volatiles into space? Nothing but a meteoroid stream? Or is there a central solid body or rubble pile that acted as a gravitational anchor to collect and hold all of the comet's original volatile material? Maybe the analysis of the STARDUST comet material will help us gain some knowledge. I for one INTUITIVELY believe that an asteroid can be a dead comet as it is a logical end state following countless orbits around the Sun. All the best, Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sterling K. Webb Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 5:21 PM To: E.P. Grondine; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New KT asteroid injection theory PART ONE Hi, EP, Paul, List, A problem here is that Bottke draws on this SAME evidence to prove it's an asteroid, just as EP points to that evidence to prove it's a comet! The Chicxulub found fragment is carbonaceous, so a carbonaceous asteroid is an obvious choice! But since the difference between a comet and an asteroid seems to be chiefly a matter of its degree of hydration along a continuum of formation, it could mean a comet, too. (The lack of comet samples to match the asteroid samples that we do have makes this an argument without evidence.) The Nemesis hypothesis is not Morrison's but Richard Muller's: http://muller.lbl.gov/pages/lbl-nem.htm , published in Nature (Davis, Hut, Muller (v. 308, pp 715-717, 1984)). The so-called Nemesis hypothesis is usually badly misunderstood. Everybody looked at the proposed 26my eccentric orbit and blew it off as unstable on the short timescale of less than a billion years, which it is. Because, sooner or later a passing star would (will? has?) perturbed its orbit badly, altering in a major way, or setting it free of the Sun to wander on its own. It IS unstable over the NEXT billion years, but that's because, at solar formation, its life expectancy was about 5.0 to 5.5 billion years. 4.5 down, and a only little while to go... What they missed is that THAT has become the chief strong (rather than weak) point in Muller's theory: http://muller.lbl.gov/papers/Lunar_impacts_Nemesis.pdf , where (2002) he revises his original 1984 hypothesis, to reflect new data. And, the conclusions of his 2002 paper on impacts have since been verified by other (non-aligned) studies. Impacts are UP lately (lately meaning the last half billion years). Here's how Nemesis goes now. Imagine that the Sun has a nice little red dwarf star companion that you'd hardly notice in a stable and not-too-eccentric orbit for billions of years, causing no harm, doing no damage, tossing no comets, because it never comes close to its big brother star and its private herd of comets. THEN, about 0.5 to 0.8 billion years ago, a passing star perturbs that stable not-too-eccentric orbit into the 26my long elipse that clips through the Oort Cloud and sets loose the comets to fall into the inner system. (There are nice diagrams in that paper cited above, on Lunar Impacts. I love a good diagram...) And as long as we're arguing about the attribution of strong but unproven hypotheses, the rain of comets to the inner solar system by a big perturbation of the Oort Cloud was first suggested by Hills in 1981, NOT by Napier and Clube. They refined it slightly and pushed it, but it's not their baby, well, OK, adopted... Its chief disadvantage of Nemesis is that it is a totally ad hoc hypotheses and virtually impossible to prove or disprove, UNLESS you find the star. IF there is a Nemesis, it will be found by the current super-surveys (like Pan Starrs or LSST) or future even more powerful All Sky Surveys, one of many thousand dim little stars that are loitering in the neighborhood and trying to look harmless. Just you wait thirty years or so... Muller is assuming that Nemmy is a little red dwarf, but it could also be an even smaller star, one of the newly discovered but numerous L-Class dwarves. Their distribution is such that, given that our star is typical, there should be a 50-50 chance of an L dwarf within 0.75 light year, closer than the original Nemesis star proposed distance
Re: [meteorite-list] New KT asteroid injection theory PART ONE
EP, All, More info on CONTOUR: http://discovery.nasa.gov/contour.html All the best, Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E.P. Grondine Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 6:06 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New KT asteroid injection theory PART ONE Hi Greg, all - Viverka and Yeomans would have had the answer for this one with CONTOUR, if Thiokol had not delivered that cracked Star 30 motor to NASA. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas as alway, contact me off list for the list members special --- Greg Redfern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sterling, As always, nice write up. Looking forward to part 2. I would like our colleagues to consider the Murchison fall as a meteorite that could very well be the missing link between an active and dead comet. With its' high % of water (13%) by volume and the scores of amino acids it contains - I'm sure Bernd could give us the exact water % and AA count to date and which I believe is 98 - Murchison is quite extraordinary. Each of the NASA and ESA missions to comets and asteroids are helping us to fill in the gaps of our knowledge. But one has to wonder what is left when a comet has sublimated all of its' volatiles into space? Nothing but a meteoroid stream? Or is there a central solid body or rubble pile that acted as a gravitational anchor to collect and hold all of the comet's original volatile material? Maybe the analysis of the STARDUST comet material will help us gain some knowledge. I for one INTUITIVELY believe that an asteroid can be a dead comet as it is a logical end state following countless orbits around the Sun. All the best, Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sterling K. Webb Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 5:21 PM To: E.P. Grondine; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New KT asteroid injection theory PART ONE Hi, EP, Paul, List, A problem here is that Bottke draws on this SAME evidence to prove it's an asteroid, just as EP points to that evidence to prove it's a comet! The Chicxulub found fragment is carbonaceous, so a carbonaceous asteroid is an obvious choice! But since the difference between a comet and an asteroid seems to be chiefly a matter of its degree of hydration along a continuum of formation, it could mean a comet, too. (The lack of comet samples to match the asteroid samples that we do have makes this an argument without evidence.) The Nemesis hypothesis is not Morrison's but Richard Muller's: http://muller.lbl.gov/pages/lbl-nem.htm , published in Nature (Davis, Hut, Muller (v. 308, pp 715-717, 1984)). The so-called Nemesis hypothesis is usually badly misunderstood. Everybody looked at the proposed 26my eccentric orbit and blew it off as unstable on the short timescale of less than a billion years, which it is. Because, sooner or later a passing star would (will? has?) perturbed its orbit badly, altering in a major way, or setting it free of the Sun to wander on its own. It IS unstable over the NEXT billion years, but that's because, at solar formation, its life expectancy was about 5.0 to 5.5 billion years. 4.5 down, and a only little while to go... What they missed is that THAT has become the chief strong (rather than weak) point in Muller's theory: http://muller.lbl.gov/papers/Lunar_impacts_Nemesis.pdf , where (2002) he revises his original 1984 hypothesis, to reflect new data. And, the conclusions of his 2002 paper on impacts have since been verified by other (non-aligned) studies. Impacts are UP lately (lately meaning the last half billion years). Here's how Nemesis goes now. Imagine that the Sun has a nice little red dwarf star companion that you'd hardly notice in a stable and not-too-eccentric orbit for billions of years, causing no harm, doing no damage, tossing no comets, because it never comes close to its big brother star and its private herd of comets. THEN, about 0.5 to 0.8 billion years ago, a passing star perturbs that stable not-too-eccentric orbit into the 26my long elipse that clips through the Oort Cloud and sets loose the comets to fall into the inner system. (There are nice diagrams in that paper cited above, on Lunar Impacts. I love a good diagram...) And as long as we're arguing about the attribution of strong but unproven hypotheses, the rain of comets to the inner solar system by a big
Re: [meteorite-list] Weston - TKW (in collections)
I have 6.0 GRAM piece from Russ Kempton - anyone know about Russ's whereabouts? All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:07 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Weston - TKW (in collections) George wrote: I can account for about 2.5 grams in several pieces. Hello Westoners and Listoners, .. and I can account for 1.11 + 0.34 gr in two partially crusted pieces purchased on EBay from Michael Cottingham! They have the telltale rusty look of the matrix - see also Martin Horejsi's and Mark Bostick's pieces in the Met.Bull. database! Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 1st Panoramic Moon Pic
All, If you get the chance, please click on the link (make sure you enlarge) and share with me my FIRST panoramic Moon shot taken through my new telescope. I shot three Moonscapes to put this together. My hope is that they will only get better but I wanted to share First Picture with you. http://media.bonnint.net/wtop/8/821/82128.jpg We are returning to the Moon with Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter in October 2008 and will see lunar pictures like we have never have before. I for one can hardly wait. Thanks for sharing your time. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Many United States Geological Survey PublicationsNow Online
And do not forget the USGS pubs regarding the Chesapeake Bay Impact Crater. http://pubs.usgs.gov/prof/p1612/ All the best, Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:33 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Many United States Geological Survey PublicationsNow Online Many Unites States Geological Survey Publications are now online as DJVU files. Advanced Search for these publications is at: http://pubs.er.usgs.gov/usgspubs/index.jsp For example, meteorite related USGS publications, which can be viewed and downloaded are: 1. Cosmochemistry; Part 1, Meteorites, Professional Paper 440-B-1, by B. Mason at: http://pubs.er.usgs.gov/usgspubs/pp/pp440B1 and 2. The disintegration of the Wolf Creek meteorite and the formation of pecoraite, the nickel analog of clinochrysotile, Professional Paper 384-C, by Faust, George T.; Fahey, J. J.; Mason, B. H.; and Dwornik, E. J. http://pubs.er.usgs.gov/usgspubs/pp/pp384C Yours, Paul H. Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: SSA - Announcement of Opportunity: STS-118 Downlinks
Hello List, Would you be so kind as to pass this on to schools in your area? This is a significant opportunity for our kids to partake in history. Thank you. Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 -Original Message- From: Solar System Ambassador Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:41 PM To: Recipient list suppressed Subject: SSA - Announcement of Opportunity: STS-118 Downlinks Importance: High Please share this information with anyone you know who may be interested in the opportunity... NASA is seeking formal and informal education institutions and organizations individually or working together, to host live, in-flight education downlinks during STS-118, the first flight of an Educator Astronaut, Barbara Morgan. The launch is scheduled for no earlier than June 28, 2007. The deadline to submit an application for STS-118 downlinks is March 9, 2007. The Announcement of Opportunity is available on the NASA Education website http://education.nasa.gov/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite collection sale
Mrs. McCoy, Do you have any pictures or documentation from Virginia Tech regarding these specimens? Thank you, Greg Redfern -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:24 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite collection sale My husband has about 30 meteorites ranging from 10-100 pounds. The largest has been verified by Virginia Tech. University . All meteorites were found at the same site in Pulaski County, Virginia. We would like for any interested person to come to our home to see them.We would appreciate any advice concerning this sale. Thank You. Bonnie McCoy-Appomattox, Va. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] DELETE ME FROM THE LIST
Please delete me from the list Greg Redfern __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Murchison - A smelly Rock
All, Being the proud owner of an incredible fusion crusted 80g oriented Murchison from Jim Strope, I can attest to the smell described. I keep this specimen, along with a 1.5g specimen, under a clean glass bell jar. When I clean the jar I smell its' interior and there is a wonderful aroma that is almost bourbon-like in nature. The jar did not have this aroma when I bought it and it sits on a glass shelf. My guess is that the 92+ amino acids with the 13% water by content make for a meteoritic mixer. All the best and Happy Holidays to everyone. Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.ht ml WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:18 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Murchison - A smelly Rock HAAG ROBERT (1997) Field Guide of Meteorites (10th + 12th Anniversary Editions, 1991 + 1997, p. 36): Betty Maslin, a Murchison, Australia resident, displays the smelly rocks that landed on the outskirts of town one Sunday morning in September, 1969. Detonations and hissing noises were heard when the fireball exploded and smoke rings were seen hanging in the air. Some 700 kilos of stones rained out of the sky, covering 33 square kilometers, and stinking up the town with the smell of methylated spirits. (Betty and her father found the two largest pieces by the road.) The jar Mrs. Maslin is holding had been sealed for ten years, and when I opened it, the smell of alcohol and ether was still strong enough to nearly put me under. Hello List, For those list members who don't have these field guides, I'm going to send the picture from Bob's Field Guide to Jeff Kuyken who can then upload it for everyone to have a look. Thanks in advance, Jeff! Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Magazine
Good Evening List, If you are as fortunate as I am to have had personal and meteoritical dealings with Robert, it should come as no surprise as to the quality and readability of his excellent article on Allende hunting in the current issue of Meteorite. WHAT did come as a surprise, and further attests to his modesty, is the NUMBER of specimens that he has found - 2,000! Further, his donation of a large portion of these finds to a public institution - his local planetarium - shows how fortunate our community is to have a human being of his caliber amongst us. Sorry your run of expedition finds (3 for 4 now) was broken Robert but I am grateful you and Jerry returned safely. I look forward to reading about your next adventure/find. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Woolard Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Magazine Gary, Congrats on your article. Sounds like you and CJ did a GREAT job on your presentations. It's hard to tell who had the better time, tough---you or the kids! :-)Keep up the good work. Best wishes, Robert Woolard __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - July 26, 2006
Happy Birthday Robert! Great meteorite find for a great guy! All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.ht ml WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Woolard Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - July 26,2006 Hello Mike and List, Just a quick thank you to Mike for the great job he did on putting this page together, and for doing it on my birthday, no less. Appreciate it, man! Also thanks to those of you who sent nice words. (Especially you, Pat. ;-) I hope you all will forgive me for adding this, but finding that sucker was a thrill I'll NEVER forget! If anyone ever has the chance to hunt there, you outta go for it. No guarantees of course,- but you never know! Best wishes, Robert Woolard --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.spacerocksinc.com/July_26.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Odour of meteorites
Good Evening List, I have an 80 gram Murchison specimen that I keep under a bell jar. When I lift the jar it contains the aroma of a fine whisky. With 98 identified amino acids and 13% water by volume perhaps this explains this wonderful smell. I never tire of it. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.ht ml WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:01 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Odour of meteorites Hi, I have a piece of the famous bubble-gum smelling meteorite NWA 096, which to me smelled more like perfume. That was a few years ago; sadly the smell is gone. Irons, especially if they are rusting, have a pungent, acidic odor. Chondrites generally smell dusty to me with a shades of earthiness like rocks under hot sun. Occasionally you can smell the metal in them too, again especially if there is significant rusting. A slice of Allende I got from Bob Haag years back still smells like a strange mix of gunpowder and car exhaust. My two nosefuls (yuck, sorry ;-) Bob mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: Remember Our Fallen Space Heroes
-Original Message- From: Greg Redfern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:44 PM Subject: Remember Our Fallen Space Heroes All, If you have time, read my What's Up: The Space Place Column - use the link below - about our fallen astronauts and cosmonauts. Today is the 39th anniversary of the Apollo 1 fire, tomorrow is 20 years since Challenger, and Feb 1 is 3 years since Columbia. Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Harvey Awards - New Catagory
Ditto here. Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Woolard Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Harvey Awards - New Catagory Greg, Yes to all. Great ideas. Robert Woolard __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] MERRY CHRISTMAS
Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and a joyous New Year to all!! Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roman Jirasek Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 11:31 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MERRY CHRISTMAS Hey Dean, all It's around +2C in Milton, ON now and the snow is melting, but that won't stop Santa man. Merry Christmas! Cheers, the screwdrivers are going down nicely. Roman - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MERRY CHRISTMAS While it just dont seem like christmas at 28 degrees and without snow Merry christmas to all from your transplanted new kiwi Canadian down under. I am sure that santa can still find a way to drive his sleigh in the grass. Cheers DEAN --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Merry Christmas to all list members and meteorite enthusiast.Thanks to all collectors and dealers that have made this hobby so rewarding.I wish you all prosperity in the coming year and good health for many years to come MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: CBIC 4
All, The last segment of the story can be found by clicking on the What's Up link below. Happy Holidays to you and yours. Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] CBIC Part 3
Dear List, Part 3 of the Chesapeake Bay Crater is at WTOPNEWS under the What's Up link below my name. I hope you find it of interest. Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Deepest Core Samples Yet Pulled From ChesapeakeBay Crater
Hello List, Part 2 of my series on the CBIC is at the WTOPNEWS link under my name. Part 3 will be posted next Monday and discuss the drilling ops and science being done there. I had the privilege of spending a few days at the site seeing the cores as they came out of the ground. I hope you fond it interesting. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gerald Flaherty Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:44 PM To: Ron Baalke; Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Deepest Core Samples Yet Pulled From ChesapeakeBay Crater Magnificent! Thanks Ron. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:51 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Deepest Core Samples Yet Pulled From Chesapeake Bay Crater http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=96415ran=187009 Deepest core samples yet pulled from Bay crater By DIANE TENNANT The Virginian-Pilot December 5, 2005 An attempt to drill more than a mile into an ancient impact crater under the Chesapeake Bay ended Sunday morning, a little short of the goal. Rock samples from 5,795 feet below ground were pulled from the ground at about 7:45 a.m. Scientists from the U.S. Geological Survey endured gusting winds and rain to collect the last of the boxes of core samples - tubes of rock and sediment - that will be studied in labs around the world. I think it's a clear success, said Greg Gohn of the USGS, one of four principal investigators . The drilling project, in the soybean fields of a privately owned farm north of Cape Charles, was the deepest look ever taken into the Chesapeake Bay impact crater, which was created 35 million years ago, when an asteroid or comet traveling between 15 and 40 miles per second slammed into a shallow sea that covered much of the East Coast. The resulting crater is at least a mile deep and about 56 miles across. The center lies under Cape Charles, and the edges lie under parts of Norfolk and Virginia Beach, the Peninsula and the Middle Peninsula. Studies on the crater have focused largely on groundwater. The crater disrupts the normal layers of freshwater aquifers in the region, either trapping saltwater or allowing it to penetrate farther inland than would be expected. Eight holes had already been drilled into outer parts of the crater to collect core samples. The deepest of those was 2,699 feet, less than half of the latest effort, which had aimed for 7,218 feet. Seven science teams and 118 scientists from around the world are involved in the project. The teams plan to examine such things as immediate environmental effects of the impact, long-term effects and geophysics such as temperature and density of rocks. Biologists also are searching for microbes that can survive extreme conditions. It is believed that when the crater formed, tsunamis topped the Appalachian Mountains and bounced off Europe, wildfires raged along the East Coast and sand was melted into glass beads that were carried thousands of miles away by the wind. Drilling began in mid-September and ran 24 hours a day for nearly three months. When it ended, it was 1,423 feet short of the goal. Several hundred feet of granite slowed the drillers. Still, scientists were pleased with the results. The crater is buried beneath more than 1,000 feet of sediment at that location. Samples were taken of those sediments as well as rock that was melted by the heat of the impact, found at more than 4,000 feet under ground. The last core brought to the surface contained pegmatite, a rock that is similar to granite but full of large crystals of quartz, garnet and other minerals. The deep drilling project was funded in part by the International Continental Scientific Drilling Program, a consortium of science agencies in 13 countries, including China, Canada, Germany and South Africa. In the United States, the National Science Foundation is the funding partner. Analysis of the samples is expected to take months . The first results will probably be published in scientific journals 12 to 18 months from now. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chesapeake Bay Impact Crater (CBIC)
Good Evening List, If you have an interest in CBIC you may want to click the link below to my What's Up column as I am doing a multi-part story on the crater. Part 1 of A Cosmic Detective Story was posted last Monday and Part 2 will be up next Monday. This may be a three part story - I'll know when I return from the current crater coring site this weekend. All the best to you and yours and Happy Holidays, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FIREBALL OVER NORTHERN VIRGINIA
All, Reports are coming in that a large orange blue very bright fireball seen in Northern Virginia. Observers saw it track to the north while others saw it to the south which means it passed overhead in our geographical vicinity. One observer heard a hissing sound - no detonations were reported. Any other reports? Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] STEVE'S ADS -- ONLY ONE
I got six Greg Redfern -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:59 PM To: Sterling K. Webb; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STEVE'S ADS -- ONLY ONE I got 6 copies. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] STEVE'S ADS -- ONLY ONE Hi, List, I have no idea why a few people are receiving six copies of Steve's ad, but I can tell you that I received only one. If he had SENT six copies, we ALL would have gotten six copies, or no copies, if things were screwed up. So before we have a 31-message thread on The Six Copies, I'm pretty sure he didn't send six copies to the List, OK? It does happen spontaneously sometimes. There is a particular virus that does this, but it been so long since I was infested with it that I forget its name. I would receive multiple copies of an email and message the sender, why are you sending all these copies? and discover that they weren't! In my case, the virus was in my machine, that is, the computer receiving the multiple copies, so those who are receiving multiple copies might want to check their perimeter defenses, so to speak... If you're foolish enough to use Outlook Express, it won't do any good, but you should check anyway. Sterling Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
In Roman mythology, Pluto (Greek: Hades) is the god of the underworld. The planet received this name (after many other suggestions) perhaps because it's so far from the Sun that it is in perpetual darkness and perhaps because PL are the initials of Percival Lowell. Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AL Mitterling Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet Hi Tom and all, In Reality Pluto wasn't named after the cartoon character, rather it was a name picked out by the discover (and staff at Lowell) and having something to do with the afterlife. I'm not sure if the Dog Pluto was well know or even around at that time in 1930. This is a misconception by many. --AL Tom Knudson wrote: Hi list, I think they should name all those outer planet want-to-be's after carton characters, heck we already have Pluto, we can add Mickey and Mini, Daffy, Donald, bugs, porky, Sylvester and tweety! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] NASA grounds future shuttle flights
All, Follow the wtopnews link to get the latest on Discovery. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AL Mitterling Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:06 PM To: Tom Knudson Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA grounds future shuttle flights Hi Tom and all, The tiles aren't sprayed on but manufactured and each has a number and fits at an exact place on the Space Shuttles. The Shuttle is contoured and so each Tile is a bit different from other tiles and why they are carefully numbered and placed. They use an adhesive glue (type) to secure the tiles. Certain tiles can take more atmospheric heat than other tiles. (black more heat, white less heat) It is not uncommon for tiles to be replaced during flights. A certain amount of damage has always occurred to some degree but not to the extent that doomed the Columbia. Also they use to paint the ET (external tank) white. They saved money (from weight and paint) by eliminating that step but perhaps the paint would work to secure the foam better on the ET. The reason for the foam is to insulate the cold fluids that are the propellants for the main engines on the inside of the ET. It also acts to keep the build up of ice (from humidity outside) to a minimum so it doesn't fall off and damage tiles or other sensitive area on the Shuttle. I think that the news media is making more out of this than needs to be done. However damaged tiles under and around the shuttle that protect it from re-entery is a concern along with thousands of other items that can be catastrophic in the event problems in those areas occur. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] What will they find?
Hi Dana, I will be following VERY CLOSELY (in person) the CBIC Big Dig project. It will be my privilege to keep the List up to date. This is exciting stuff and Meteortics from a different angle. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dana Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 10:41 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] What will they find? http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-te.crater18jul18,1,3086071.story ?coll=bal-local-headlines Just sharing an interesting read with ya'll. Please don't attack me for doing so Steve. Thank you. Dana Hawn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: July 11-15, 2005
Hello List, Any ideas as to what went on here? Check #60 - one of the MOST unusual crater formations I have ever seen. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 o THEMIS Images as Art #60 (Released 15 July 2005) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20050715A.html All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in collaboration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. To remove yourself from all mailings from NASA Jet Propulsion Labratory, please go to http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?ID=M69947285956903916642665 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] FW: Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: July 11-15, 2005
My OWN guess (SWAGS are allowed/encouraged here!) is a dual impact at the exact same time with the impactors closely aligned - perhaps even touching or loosely bound. Ejecta is squeezed out and a wall is formed at the intersection of the two craters' point of outer wall intersection . Messier A B on the moon are thought to be dual impactors but they are spread apart a bit. Fascinating as Spock would say. Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Redfern Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 10:33 AM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: July 11-15, 2005 Hello List, Any ideas as to what went on here? Check #60 - one of the MOST unusual crater formations I have ever seen. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 o THEMIS Images as Art #60 (Released 15 July 2005) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20050715A.html All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in collaboration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. To remove yourself from all mailings from NASA Jet Propulsion Labratory, please go to http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?ID=M69947285956903916642665 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] FW: Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: July 11-15, 2005
Hi Pete, THEMIS images are taken in the infrared portion of the spectrum see the link at the bottom for more information on THEMIS and Mars Odyssey. Your guess is similar to mine - I hope the List's best and brightest give it a whirl too. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dippl Family Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 10:42 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Fw: [meteorite-list] FW: Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: July 11-15, 2005 Is this a negative image? If so it could be two(or a split) impacting bodies striking at the same time close together with the resulting ejecta plumes from the interference boundary zone between them. Cheers Pete Dippl - Original Message - From: Greg Redfern [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: July 11-15, 2005 Hello List, Any ideas as to what went on here? Check #60 - one of the MOST unusual crater formations I have ever seen. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 o THEMIS Images as Art #60 (Released 15 July 2005) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20050715A.html All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in collaboration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. To remove yourself from all mailings from NASA Jet Propulsion Labratory, please go to http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?ID=M69947285956903916642665 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] FW: Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: July 11-15, 2005
Hi Goran, My SWAG is similar to yours and Pete's. What is really interesting is the alignment and constraint of the ejecta along one axis. It would seem that the ejecta was confined to this alignment due to the intersecting ejecta plumes and not allowed to spread. Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Göran Axelsson Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 10:56 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: July 11-15, 2005 Just a guess but... Twin impact, a meteorite that broke in two parts during impact or short ahead. Maybe it was two loosely attached bodies that fell or a broken body. Anyhow, they should have been really close in mass to create such a perfect twin crater and the two plumes of ejecta. The nice rim in the middle and the plumes could only be formed if the two craters were formed at the same time. If this could form, then there should be a whole range of twin craters with different size craters and the ejecta plumes in different angles. /Göran Greg Redfern wrote: Hello List, Any ideas as to what went on here? Check #60 - one of the MOST unusual crater formations I have ever seen. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 o THEMIS Images as Art #60 (Released 15 July 2005) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20050715A.html All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] FW: Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: July 11-15, 2005
My thanks to everyone for some great SWAGGING on the list = this is what it is for. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sterling K. Webb Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:35 PM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: July 11-15, 2005 Hi, Everybody seems to agree on twin impactors. Twin impactors are no mystery. Many binary asteroids have been identified. There are large asteroids with much smaller moons of their own (like Ida and Dactyl) and asteroids where the two bodies are very similar in size size, including very close binaries, even ones where it is possible that the two bodies are actually touching each other as they revolve around each other. Contact binaries, they're called. They are a small minority of asteroids, of course, but there have been a good number identified. I would think a contact binary would be a good candidate for the origin of these two similarly sized joint craters. I was impressed at how clean and fresh these craters look, the one on the right particularly. They cannot be very ancient, despite the signs of a few small impacts on their inner walls.. They retain their deep conical shape, the shape of the blast cone, a characteristic mark of a fresh crater. There is little debris accumulated on their floors, and their inner walls are remarkably uneroded and uniform. I see no reference as to their size on the page, but I get the impression that they are bigger than, for example, Arizona's Meteor Crater, perhaps 1 to 3 miles in diameter (each). The left impactor seems to have been the smaller of the two, and the triangular shadow in the left crater seems to indicate that the left rim of that crater is elevated to a peak at the far side. Binaries, no doubt. Sterling K. Webb - Marc Fries wrote: I didn't see what everyone else said, but to me it has to be the result of the simultaneous impact of two impactors. The material thrown out perpendicular to a line between the centers of the two craters would be due to the overlapping/disrupting shock waves. If the two craters formed at different times then the ejecta from one would just overlay the older crater. Great pic! Cheers, MDF Hello List, Any ideas as to what went on here? Check #60 - one of the MOST unusual crater formations I have ever seen. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 o THEMIS Images as Art #60 (Released 15 July 2005) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20050715A.html All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in collaboration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. To remove yourself from all mailings from NASA Jet Propulsion Labratory, please go to http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?ID=M69947285956903916642665 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Marc Fries Postdoctoral Research Associate Carnegie Institution of Washington Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Rd. NW Washington, DC 20015 PH: 202 478 7970 FAX: 202 478 8901 - I urge you to show your support to American servicemen and servicewomen currently serving in harm's way by donating items they personally request at: http://www.anysoldier.com (This is not an endorsement by the Geophysical Laboratory or the Carnegie Institution.) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http
RE: [meteorite-list] NASA's Deep Impact Spacecraft Preps forJuly4Fireworks
All, Please refer to the WTOPNEWS.com link below for the latest and greatest on Deep Impact. NASA TV will be carrying live coverage as will Kitt Peak. Enjoy the show. All the best, Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Gerald Flaherty Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 4:58 PM To: Chris Monrad; Ron Baalke; Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA's Deep Impact Spacecraft Preps forJuly4Fireworks Boy that would be SUPER!!if true. Jerry - Original Message - From: Chris Monrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 5:10 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] NASA's Deep Impact Spacecraft Preps for July4Fireworks Will there be live television coverage of this like the Shoemaker-Levy 9 impact had? Regards, Chris Monrad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Baalke Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 12:59 PM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA's Deep Impact Spacecraft Preps for July 4Fireworks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo nomenclature...
Dear List, Jeff may have this volume in his literature but I thought it might be worth mentioning. Coon Mountain Controversies by Hoyt published by University of Arizona is THE reference volume on Meteor Crater. I also think it is worth mentioning that Dr. Shoemaker's USGS paper on Impact Mechanics at Meteor Crater, Arizona is the reference Mark spoke of. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:02 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo nomenclature... Here's what I could learn in a brief review of literature I have. Others know much more about this than I do. GK Gilbert published a paper in Science, The Origin of Hypotheses, Illustrated by the Discussion of a Topographic Problem, Science, Vol. 3, No. 53. (Jan. 3, 1896), pp. 1-13. This was the text of his presidential address to the Geological Society of Washington in 1895 (I hope my presidential address to GSW last year better stands the test of time). In this paper, he tests his own hypothesis that the crater formed by the impact of a star. After a two weeks of field work involving topographic measurements and magnetic surveys, he could not find evidence to support his hypothesis, which he thought predicted there would be a large, buried, magnetic mass beneath the crater: there was no large magnetic anomaly, and the volume of ejecta perfectly matched to volume of the hole, leaving no room for a 1500-foot diameter buried spherical object. (He does leave open the possibility that the crater could still have been formed by a plum-pudding object with iron masses embedded in stone, which is really interesting because that's now one of the prevailing ideas about how IAB irons really did form!). Anyway, at this point, he abandoned his intuition and went looking for alternative ideas, which turned out not to be very good. Although Gilbert couldn't find the evidence to support his hypothesis, the impact idea was his. In 1905, Barringer and Tilghman published back to back papers in the Proc. Acad. Nat. Sci. Phila., refuting Gilbert's fall-back explanation that the crater was due to a steam explosion. They made lots of good observations consistent with impact, but both of them still accepted Gilbert's idea that there had to be a buried meteorite if it was an impact crater. They just weren't willing to overlook all the other evidence that pointed to impact, as Gilbert did. It wasn't until 1907 that Herman Fairchild published (GSA Bull. 18, 493-504, a paper read before the Society on 12/29/1906) the idea that the projectile might be travelling very fast and therefore only had to be a few 100 feet across. This made it less likely that a buried mass would be found, and so took care of Gilbert's big objection. Fairchild also talked about renaming the crater Meteor Crater. Interestingly, he notes that for some time the U. S. Post Office located near Mr Holsinger's camp [near the crater rim] with the name Meteor, Arizona, gives an official standing to the word [meteor]. So somebody was using this name before Fairchild. jeff At 07:37 AM 5/13/2005, MARK BOSTICK wrote: Hello Ron and list, Ron noted, The name Meteor Crater was first formally proposed...on December 29, 1906 Barringer was calling it Coon Mountain at this time, so the reference appears to be accurate. My question was however when was the crater officially scientifically recognized as a meteorite crater. But I guess there isn't a clear answer. The USGS was claiming the crater to be a steam blowout in 1906. For locals, it was pre-1901, when written reference of the crater starts. Does anyone know if the USGS wrote any crater origin papers on the structure before Shoemaker? Clear Skies, Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Stunning New Lunar! ! - Ad
Dear List, As an owner of one of these new lunars I have to emphatically state that this is one you want to get a piece of. Besides a GREAT unpaired lunar specimen that contains highlands AND mare material (provisional reporting), you can take comfort in knowing that you are dealing with two of the most trusted names in the business. It may be awhile until another one like this comes along. All the best, Greg Redfern -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Woolard Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 7:26 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Stunning New Lunar! ! - Ad Hello List, We are happy to announce the availability of a limited number of complete and partial slices of a GORGEOUS and scientifically interesting new Lunar meteorite. Dhofar 1180 is currently being studied by several groups of scientists. The final reports are not yet ready, but the preliminary results are quite exciting. It appears that this is a unique, unpaired Lunaite, composed of both highland and mare components, a regolith breccia containing virtually every type of known lunar material in each slice. You can read all about the story of its discovery in the current issue of Meteorite magazine. As you can see in the photos on the following websites, the slices are packed full of colorful and interesting-looking inclusions and clasts. This truly is one BEAUTIFUL lunar meteorite! See them and judge them for yourselves at : http://www.portalesvalleymeteorites.com/Lunar.htm or: http://www.meteoriteguy.com/dhofar-1180.htm See them, and then reach for your own piece of the Moon. Mike Farmer Robert Woolard Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Franconia sliced, metal and chondrules
Tom, What a gorgeous specimen - my heartiest (and envious ;-) ) congratulations! All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Knudson Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 2:34 PM To: met list Subject: [meteorite-list] Franconia sliced, metal and chondrules Hello everyone, here is what my Franconia looks like sliced. The slice http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1116.jpg The chondrules http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1117.jpg the metal blob. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1118.jpg Thanks, Tom peregrineflier http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Got Astronomy?
Hello List, If any of you are interested in astronomy space exploration, I would be honored if you would use my new weekly column at WTOPNEWS.com as a resource. If any of your kids are space oriented, this is a GREAT resource for them and their teachers. The link is under my name. If you have a topic - you can bet meteorites will be a topic - let me know of your interests. Space Day is May 5th and is celebrated around the world. I will be at the National Air Space Museum's Udvar-Hazy Facility with NASA/JPL if any of you are in the Northern VA area. We will have a Space Day Family Night for the first time and I am hoping for a big turn out. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] crusing for a brusing
Mark, List One correction to my original postP/Tempel 1's magnitude will go from 9 to 6, not 6 to 3. My apologies. Greg Greg Redfern JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html International Meteorite Collectors Association #5781 http://www.imca.cc Member Meteoritical Society http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Redfern Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:38 PM To: 'mark ford'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] crusing for a brusing Dear Mark List, I have had the pleasure of interviewing some of the Deep Impact (DI) Mission scientists, including the Principal Investigator, Dr. Michael A'Hearn, at the University of Maryland UMD). I also co-authored with Elizabeth Warner, UMD DI Team Member and Director of the UMD Observatory a cover story on DI for the June 2005 issue of Sky Telescope Magazine. Finally, I give presentations to the public on DI in my capacity as a NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador. The comments that follow are my own and not attributable to the DI Team, UMD or NASA. They are based on the results of my interviews and research. There is very little chance of Comet P/Tempel 1 being completely shattered because this is a very large body that will experience the equivalence of 4.8 tons of TNT upon impact. The resultant crater is expected to be the size of a football stadium and perhaps 100 feet deep. Of course this will be dependant upon the density, porosity and tensile strength of the comet. This is precisely why DI was conceived, authorized, built and launched - to conduct an experiment designed to determine these physical parameters. DI will give us data to determine these physical characteristics PLUS see inside a cometary body for the first time in history. We have seen the nuclei of several comets but never an interior. We will also be able to observe the results of the impact - will a new release of pristine cometary material occur, will there be a new jet formed? DI has a professional and amateur observation program in place to help observe P/Tempel 1 before, during, and after impact. These programs will provide valuable data and are an integral part of the DI mission. The comet is expected to go from magnitude 6 to 3, and your geographical location determines whether you will see the comet at impact. Hawaii has the best US view while in the majority of the US the comet will have set. If you have more questions please feel free to email me and check out the DI website: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html International Meteorite Collectors Association #5781 http://www.imca.cc Member Meteoritical Society http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark ford Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:00 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] crusing for a brusing Hi, I heard a rumour, that some of the mission scientists who devised the Deep impact's copper projectile (that will impact the comet), may have completely misinterpreted the mean density of the comet, and there is a very real possibility that it may actually completely shatter the comet into several pieces!! Apparently they made quite a few educated guesses since not a great deal is known about the physical structure of the material. The other interesting thing is that the change in the dust trail from the comet should be quite pronounced, so amateurs may be able to actually observe the impact using telescopes! Should be fun! Best Mark Ford -Original Message- From: Darren Garrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:50 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] crusing for a brusing Or crusing TO a brusing, if you will. http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2005/mar/HQ_05086_deep_impact.html Dolores Beasley Headquarters, Washington (Phone: 202/358-1753) D.C. Agle Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. (Phone: 818/ 393-9011) March 25, 2005 RELEASE: 05-086 NASA Releases Deep Impact Mission Status Report NASA's Deep Impact spacecraft completed the commissioning phase of the mission and has moved into the cruise phase. Deep Impact mission planners have separated the spacecraft's flight operations into five mission phases. Cruise phase will continue until about 60 days before the encounter with comet Tempel 1 on July 4, 2005. Soon after launch on Jan. 12, 2005, Deep Impact entered the commissioning phase. During that phase, the mission team verified the basic state of health of all subsystems and tested the operation of science instruments. The spacecraft's autonomous navigation system was activated and tested using the moon and Jupiter
RE: [meteorite-list] crusing for a brusing
Hi Darren, List, The DI Team is investigating the cause, potential fixes and impact (no pun intended) on the mission as a result of the current inability to achieve perfect focus in the High Resolution Instrument. With the Medium Resolution Instruments (MRI) as well as the current spatial resolution of the HRI, it is expected that we will still receive the most detailed images to date of a comet. The good news is that this in no way keeps DI from impacting the comet which is the heart of the mission. With the MRI and the battery of ground and space based telescopes we will get good data. Keep checking the DI website for updates. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html International Meteorite Collectors Association #5781 http://www.imca.cc Member Meteoritical Society http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Garrison Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:06 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] crusing for a brusing On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:38:16 -0500, Greg Redfern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DI will give us data to determine these physical characteristics PLUS see inside a cometary body for the first time in history. We have seen the At least, you hope: http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20050328/deepimpact.html Comet Smasher Has Cloudy Vision By Irene Mona Klotz, Discovery News March 28, 2005 - Engineers are considering options to restore or work around a problem with a high-resolution telescope on NASA's comet-smashing Deep Impact probe. The spacecraft, which was launched Jan. 12, is on track to encounter its target, Comet Tempel 1, on July 4. Deep Impact, as its name implies, will release a copper-tipped projectile into the path of the comet. Flying through space at 23,000 mph, the comet is expected to strike the coffee-table sized impactor with the force of 4 1/2 tons of dynamite, in the process carving out a hole in its body that could be as large as a stadium. Scientists are eager to study the inside of a comet for more clues about how our solar system formed. Comets not only contain original materials from the birth of the solar system 4.5 billion years ago; they also are believed to have played a vital role in nurturing Earth by delivering water and organic matter. On Friday, however, the space agency had more immediate concerns. An investigative team has been named to try to come up with options for restoring Deep Impact's High Resolution Imager to perfect focus. For weeks, spacecraft operators have been trying to bake out residual moisture from the telescope's barrel, but those attempts have not worked. We are very early in the process of examining the data from all the instruments, said Deep Impact lead scientist Michael A'Hearn, with the University of Maryland in College Park. Even if the spatial resolution of the High Resolution Imager remains at present levels, we still expect to obtain the best, most detailed pictures of a comet ever taken. Added project manager Rick Grammier, with NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., This in no way will affect our ability to impact the comet. Engineers believe the moisture seeped into the telescope during the final hours before launch from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida and during the rocket ride through the atmosphere. After allowing the telescope to heat up, the Deep Impact team took test pictures, but the images indicate the instrument has not reached perfect focus, NASA said in a statement. The High Resolution Instrument includes both a camera and an infrared spectrometer. The spacecraft also has a Medium Resolution Instrument and a duplicate camera on the impactor, which will record and radio data until it is run over by the comet. Both the Medium Resolution Instrument and the sensors on the impactor are working as expected, NASA said. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] crusing for a brusing
Dear Mark List, I have had the pleasure of interviewing some of the Deep Impact (DI) Mission scientists, including the Principal Investigator, Dr. Michael A'Hearn, at the University of Maryland UMD). I also co-authored with Elizabeth Warner, UMD DI Team Member and Director of the UMD Observatory a cover story on DI for the June 2005 issue of Sky Telescope Magazine. Finally, I give presentations to the public on DI in my capacity as a NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador. The comments that follow are my own and not attributable to the DI Team, UMD or NASA. They are based on the results of my interviews and research. There is very little chance of Comet P/Tempel 1 being completely shattered because this is a very large body that will experience the equivalence of 4.8 tons of TNT upon impact. The resultant crater is expected to be the size of a football stadium and perhaps 100 feet deep. Of course this will be dependant upon the density, porosity and tensile strength of the comet. This is precisely why DI was conceived, authorized, built and launched - to conduct an experiment designed to determine these physical parameters. DI will give us data to determine these physical characteristics PLUS see inside a cometary body for the first time in history. We have seen the nuclei of several comets but never an interior. We will also be able to observe the results of the impact - will a new release of pristine cometary material occur, will there be a new jet formed? DI has a professional and amateur observation program in place to help observe P/Tempel 1 before, during, and after impact. These programs will provide valuable data and are an integral part of the DI mission. The comet is expected to go from magnitude 6 to 3, and your geographical location determines whether you will see the comet at impact. Hawaii has the best US view while in the majority of the US the comet will have set. If you have more questions please feel free to email me and check out the DI website: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html International Meteorite Collectors Association #5781 http://www.imca.cc Member Meteoritical Society http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark ford Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:00 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] crusing for a brusing Hi, I heard a rumour, that some of the mission scientists who devised the Deep impact's copper projectile (that will impact the comet), may have completely misinterpreted the mean density of the comet, and there is a very real possibility that it may actually completely shatter the comet into several pieces!! Apparently they made quite a few educated guesses since not a great deal is known about the physical structure of the material. The other interesting thing is that the change in the dust trail from the comet should be quite pronounced, so amateurs may be able to actually observe the impact using telescopes! Should be fun! Best Mark Ford -Original Message- From: Darren Garrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:50 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] crusing for a brusing Or crusing TO a brusing, if you will. http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2005/mar/HQ_05086_deep_impact.html Dolores Beasley Headquarters, Washington (Phone: 202/358-1753) D.C. Agle Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. (Phone: 818/ 393-9011) March 25, 2005 RELEASE: 05-086 NASA Releases Deep Impact Mission Status Report NASA's Deep Impact spacecraft completed the commissioning phase of the mission and has moved into the cruise phase. Deep Impact mission planners have separated the spacecraft's flight operations into five mission phases. Cruise phase will continue until about 60 days before the encounter with comet Tempel 1 on July 4, 2005. Soon after launch on Jan. 12, 2005, Deep Impact entered the commissioning phase. During that phase, the mission team verified the basic state of health of all subsystems and tested the operation of science instruments. The spacecraft's autonomous navigation system was activated and tested using the moon and Jupiter as targets. The spacecraft's high gain antenna, which will relay images and data of the cometary collision, was activated and is operating properly. A trajectory correction maneuver was performed, refining the spacecraft's flight path to comet Tempel 1. The maneuver was so successful that a second one planned for March 31 was cancelled. Another event during commissioning phase was the bake-out heating of the spacecraft's High Resolution Instrument (HRI) to remove normal residual moisture from its barrel. The moisture was a result of absorption into the structure of the instrument during the vehicle's last
RE: [meteorite-list] new computer
AMEN, John Dave, AMEN! Greg Redfern -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DNAndrews Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 11:35 PM To: JKGwilliam Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new computer Please delete now for the faint of heart or who like a lot of hot airI wasn't even going to post this, but after considerable thought, I felt I had to. Sorry in advance. No apology necessary here Johnny G! I also get tired of the Big-Windy-Steve braggingsnew cameranew ultimate PCnew meteoritecash onlyno credit cards...Haag not for saleI brought you Park Forest...my main-mass Dhofars rule and your NWA's suck...what a bunch of blow-hard-self-ego-pumping-banter. What if we all posted when we purchased a new PC, a new digital camera, a new DVD recorder, a new DV camcorder, a new meteorite...I'm out of townmy cell phone number is...BobHaag is HOT!...blahblah. It would be the Ego-Techie List...not a meteorite list. I'm not talking about ONE post here. He's been spewing the new PC for several posts. Remember a while back, it was his NEW State-of-the-Art digital camera which wasn't so State of the Art, so he got another one. How many posts about the two of them did we have to delete or read? Why? To look like a BIG DOG! Certainly something that I am not, and don't pretend to be. On and on and on. Who gives a rat's rear? Why do you have to have a new PC to post pictures? It certainly hasn't curtailed your ability to pummel us with emails about all your glorious acquisitions that you will certainly never part with. Why do you post stuff like that? What if everyone that attended Tucson posted what they bought at the show? What if I posted everytime I (or someone I know) found a bunny-turd Holbrook, Franconia, or Gold Basin meteorite? We used to post our joint Holbrook and other hunts as a story, but it became bandwidth dribble so we stopped. Who cares? Absolutely no one! C'mon Steve! You're a nice guy and everything, but we don't need to know your everyday activities and purchases. Give us a break please. Sure I can use the delete key, but I have to admit I find it kind of entertaining in a curious-perverted way what's going to come out of your mouth next. Absolutely amazing to say the least.. I too apologiize for my tirade and if I deserve flaming, so be it. Maybe I'll get back to meteorites too and post a pic of a Holbrook I found with flow lines or something. (Not to be a big blow hard braggart though) Other than that, if you can stick to meteorite related posts, and no bragging Steve, I'll go back to lurking. It's a promise. Maybe you can all nominate me for the Jackass award next year instead of Sugar Ray D. and the Soggy-Bottom Boys. Sorry all in advance again, Dave JKGwilliam wrote: Meteorite List, First of all, I apologize to the List for the following: I don't know about the rest of you, but I've finally reached my limit of Steve Arnold's (Big Windy) non-stop bragging and blathering. So, get angry with me if you want or send me emails condemning my behavior, but I've had enough and I have to vent a little here. steve,steve,steve,steve,steveI don't know what Dell catalog you ordered from, but since the Gwilliams are a Dell only family( we have five Dells), I can clear up any confusion you might be experiencing. The Dell Dimension 3000 is an entry level machine and can't be called state of the art by any stretch of the imagination. Dell describes the 3000 as the Ultimate Value Desktop and is second from the bottom of the line of eleven (11) desktop machines. The person you ordered your computer from must have given you some incorrect information. Here at our house, my eleven year old daughter has a Dimension 4700 with dual hard drives, extra SDRAM, a Pioneer DVD-R burner, etc. It's two steps up from you machine and it isn't even close to being state of the art. Best, John Gwilliam Oh...one more thing. Nancy (my wife) remembers meeting BH about 10 years ago and she said that the way she would describe him could be translated to BH is one hot dude! if she were still thirty years old, but for a fifty year old guy to say that is welldisgusting and very embarrassing. Faux pas! Best, John Gwilliam At 03:08 PM 2/16/2005, Matt Morgan wrote: What does this post have to do with meteorites? I've gotten a few new computers over the last two years as well. Anyone else?? New cameras, camcorders, VCRs, DVDs? LOL Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com PO Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA ebay id: mhmeteorites - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] new computer Hi
Re: [meteorite-list] A.J. Ehlmann
Bravo Bernd, Bravo! On a separate note - who did the classification of BCC's specimens? Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 16, 2005 11:30 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] A.J. Ehlmann Mike Farmer wrote: Dr Ehlmann ... knows meteorites better than you can imagine, he has curated one of the world's finest collections for decades. EHLMANN A.J. et al. (1985) Classification of eight ordinary chondrites from Texas (Meteoritics 20, 1985, 219-227). T.J. McCOY, A.J. EHLMANN, and K. KEIL (1995) The Travis County, Texas, meteorites (Meteoritics 30-3, 1995, 348-351) EHLMANN A.J. et al. (1987) Classification of a second group of ordinary chondrites from Texas (Meteoritics 22-1, 1987, pp. 17-23). EHLMANN A.J. et al. (1987) Origin of fragmental and regolith meteorite breccias - Evidence from the Kendleton L chondrite breccia (Proc.Lun. Plan.Sci. Conf. 18th, 545-554). EHLMANN A.J. et al. (1988) Classification of Six Ordinary Chondrites from Texas (Meteoritics 23-4, 1988, 361-364). EHLMANN A.J. et al. (1992) Classification of 4 ordinary chondrites from the Monnig Meteorite Collection (Meteoritics 27-4, 1992, 470-472). EHLMANN A.J. and KEIL K. (1994) Further Classification of Ordinary Chondrites from the Monnig Collection: Round Top(a) L5 S3 - Round Top(b) H4 S3 - Wray(b) L5 S2 - Hassayampa H4 S3 (Meteoritics 29-1, 1994, pp. 71-73). Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson 05 Retrospective
Mike, I am sure all of us on the List will be very eager to hear what the Dean of TCU's Geology Dept has to say. I am sure he would want to see a copy of the email posted to the Internet by Mr. DeRusse that describes him by title affiliation attribution regarding Dr. Ehlmann. Inquiring minds surely will want to know. All the best, Greg -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 16, 2005 12:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson 05 Retrospective Mr DeRusse, I just found a Lunar meteorite, I am not sure how things could get much better, my chin is up, my spirits high, and I highly doubt the Dean of TCU could ever say anything like that about Dr Ehlmann. In fact, I do believe I will contact the dean today, to see whether what you say is true. Department of Geology Texas Christian University TCU Box 298830 Fort Worth, Texas 76129 Phone: (817) 257-7270 Fax: (817) 257-7789 Dr. Richard Hanson, Chair Above is the information for the Dean of Geology at TCU. Perhaps we shoudl all contact him and see it mr fake meteorite is telling the truth? My money is on lying. - Original Message - From: S. Ray DeRusse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson 05 Retrospective Now Now Now Mr. Farmer; There is no need for name calling. You seem to have quite a bit of anger derived from being confronted with unsavory facts. We're just reporting what was conveyed to us from the TCU geology department dean. We did not say Mr. Ehlmann was not a nice person to you. In fact we do not agree with much of what the dean said to us about him, but the dean has a different opinion obviously from experience. Our experience is related and somewhat different, well documented, and verifiable. Your anger has quite a grip on you but unfortunately this is not enough to change the facts. Keep your chin up Mr. Farmer things will get better eventually. Cordially, S. Ray DeRusse www.bccmeteorites.com Michael Farmer wrote: Now I know that you are a bitter piece of filth who doesn't have a meteorite and it lashing out at the world for it. Dr Ehlmann is the nicest man in the world, and knows meteorites better than you can imagine, he has curated one of the worlds finest collections for decades. Why don't you just fade away, and lock yourself and your meteorites in a cave for a while? Bitterness and hatefulness (and lawsuits) will not turn your crappy rocks into meteorites, no matter how much you wish. Sincerely Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: S. Ray DeRusse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson 05 Retrospective Greetings List; Well, imagine our surprise when we read the thread below. I had a personal conversation with the Dean of the TCU geology department in which he informed me that among other things, Dr. Ehlmann was barely a geologist and not a very good one at that. He also called him, an old man just waiting to retire, just a menial curator of a meteorite collection doing no real research. He said more but I don't necessarily agree with everything he Dean said. But it matters not much since in my view this award has very little meaning attached to it because of the group handing it out. Was there some sort of election or nomination procedure involved or posted somewhere? How does this little favoritism scheme and showering of affection work for a group who even his colleague has bad mouthed him this way. Did you include the Dean's viewpoint ? Or did you gather together willy nilly to keep misconduct and racism a fertile nesting ground in planetary science? Cordially, S. Ray DeRusse and Bill Cutler www.bccmeteorites.com Notkin wrote: Dear Friends and Listees: I've come up for air after a long and sometimes exhausting Tucson show. This was my first show as a legal resident of the great state of Arizona and it was a very different experience for me. I had a house full of overnight guests, hosted the big birthday bash, met with clients, acted as Allan Lang's auctioneer, bought and traded for a few collection pieces, and generally ran around like a lunatic taking care of a million things for nearly three weeks. I think it was more fun when I used come out here for a vacation each February . . . but then I had to go back to New York afterwards, and that part wasn't so fun : ) I'd like to sincerely thank all of
Re: [meteorite-list] A.J. Ehlmann
Hi Dave, OK, then, MYSTERY SOLVED (DOH!) I am sure Mr. Simpson had NOT overly partaken of ...BEERR when the analysis was done. And come to think of it, isn't Mr. Simpson affiliated with the same broadcasting medium that put forth the special on Were the Moon Landings a Hoax??? Remember that one??? Maybe some of the lunar specimens used for the alleged fake lunar surface have made their way into who knows where? All the best, Greg -Original Message- From: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 16, 2005 12:55 PM To: Greg Redfern [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A.J. Ehlmann Dear Greg; Funny you should ask, why none other than Homer Simpson! Dave f. Greg Redfern wrote: Bravo Bernd, Bravo! On a separate note - who did the classification of BCC's specimens? Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 16, 2005 11:30 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] A.J. Ehlmann Mike Farmer wrote: Dr Ehlmann ... knows meteorites better than you can imagine, he has curated one of the world's finest collections for decades. EHLMANN A.J. et al. (1985) Classification of eight ordinary chondrites from Texas (Meteoritics 20, 1985, 219-227). T.J. McCOY, A.J. EHLMANN, and K. KEIL (1995) The Travis County, Texas, meteorites (Meteoritics 30-3, 1995, 348-351) EHLMANN A.J. et al. (1987) Classification of a second group of ordinary chondrites from Texas (Meteoritics 22-1, 1987, pp. 17-23). EHLMANN A.J. et al. (1987) Origin of fragmental and regolith meteorite breccias - Evidence from the Kendleton L chondrite breccia (Proc.Lun. Plan.Sci. Conf. 18th, 545-554). EHLMANN A.J. et al. (1988) Classification of Six Ordinary Chondrites from Texas (Meteoritics 23-4, 1988, 361-364). EHLMANN A.J. et al. (1992) Classification of 4 ordinary chondrites from the Monnig Meteorite Collection (Meteoritics 27-4, 1992, 470-472). EHLMANN A.J. and KEIL K. (1994) Further Classification of Ordinary Chondrites from the Monnig Collection: Round Top(a) L5 S3 - Round Top(b) H4 S3 - Wray(b) L5 S2 - Hassayampa H4 S3 (Meteoritics 29-1, 1994, pp. 71-73). Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Kevin's new book..
Good Day List, I received #53 today it is a winner!! Well done Kevin - a marvelous work indeed. Greg Redfern -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Randall - KB2SMS Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 4:25 PM To: Meteorite list - Post; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Kevin's new book.. Hi all, Received Kevin's new book The Art of collecting Meteorites today and it's a winner! Well worth the price. Very well done. Thanks Kevin! Tom Randall __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Farmer Lunar find!
Mike, Congratulations! You go into the meteorite history books amongst a VERY, VERY SELECT FEW - finders of a lunar meteorite All the best, Greg Greg Redfern JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html International Meteorite Collectors Association #5781 http://www.imca.cc Member Meteoritical Society http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Morgan Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 5:04 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Farmer Lunar find! Congrast Mike! Cant wait to see it!! Matt Morgan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matson, Robert Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:32 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Farmer Lunar find! That is HUGE news, Mike! Heartfelt congratulations from an envious fellow hunter! Wish I could have made it to Tucson this year to high-five you in person... Best wishes, Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:22 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Metal in Mike's new find from Oman Hello All, I just got this message from an overjoyed Mike Farmer. Overjoyed and freaking out because of the following message. Sincerest congrats, you lucky one !!! Bernd, I am at the tucson show and from this hotel no posts go out to the list. Can you please post that I have just received confirmation on my find from Oman, it is a LUNAR, highlands microbreccia full of impact melted clasts of both mare and highlands componants! It is likely to be a uniqe lunar, certainly not paired with any Oman finds! Oh my god Bernd, I am just freaking out that I found my own moon rock with my own eyes and hands! Thanks, Mike __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Novaspace Galleries in Tucson
All, THERE IS NONE BETTER THAN KIM SALLY POOR'S NOVASPACE - NONE. Take advantage of seeing space art like you have never seen it before. Enjoy Tucson, see you there some year. All the best, Greg Redfern -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Branch Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 11:47 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Novaspace Galleries in Tucson Hello Everyone, Twink Monrad has aksed me to forward the message noted below. I would also add that for those attending the Tucson show, if you have any interest in space art, you must stop by the Novaspace Galleries. The owner Kim Poor and his staff are super to work with and the selection of space art is second to none, including some prints that meteorite enthusiasts would be interested in. -Walter Hi Walter, In the past year I have tried to post to the list twice and could not, so just wondered if you want to let all who are in Tucson for the show that the gallery is very nice and open to the public. Novaspace Galleries 140 W. Fort Lowell Rd. not far east of Oracle Road. 10-5 Mon through Sat 888-2424 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Blue Bits in NWA 1584 Chondrules
Hi List, I have a few blue specks in my slice of Portales Valley. They are nestled in along some of the metallic veins - very strange. Waiting for snow ice in Northern VA. Greg Redfern JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html International Meteorite Collectors Association #5781 http://www.imca.cc Member Meteoritical Society http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lars Pedersen Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 9:58 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Blue Bits in NWA 1584 Chondrules Hello I have seen blue halite crystal in ZAG. They can give it an overall bluish look. :-) Lars -- Meteoriteforum: http://www.worldofmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Ad - A New Meteorite Book
Greg Redfern JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html International Meteorite Collectors Association #5781 http://www.imca.cc Member Meteoritical Society http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/ Please visit the website. Order your copy now! _I DID can hardly wait to read it and add it to my book collection. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Titan Interview with Greg Redfern
Bernd, You are far too kind with your comments - thank you. I really wanted to send you the file because I knew you would appreciate it and perhaps it may be of some use to you as an educator. You are a cherished resource to the List and your students Bernd, and we are all better off for it. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 2:50 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Titan Interview with Greg Redfern Hello All, I just had the honor and the pleasure to listen to an audio file that our list member Greg Redfern (JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador) sent me a few minutes ago. It was quite an experience for at least three reasons: 1. Greg's competent information and enthusiasm about the mission and its spectacular results, 2. Greg's excellent English that is easy to understand even if English is not your mother tongue, 3. It was a thrill to listen to and hear someone talk whom you have only known through emails so far. Very exciting! Thank you, Greg, for sending it, Very much appreciated, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Titan Interview with Greg Redfern
Peter, As you requested: http://audio.wtopnews.com/jan2005/0115_redfern.ram All the best, Greg Greg Redfern JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html International Meteorite Collectors Association #5781 http://www.imca.cc Member Meteoritical Society http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Marmet Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 3:15 PM To: list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Titan Interview with Greg Redfern Hi Greg and Bernd, hello list, a link to Greg's audio file would be very much appreciated:-)! Peter Marmet Bernd wrote: I just had the honor and the pleasure to listen to an audio file that our list member Greg Redfern (JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador) sent me a few minutes ago. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] OT- Signal aquired from Huygens
Hi Sterling, List. The lander's batteries were designed for 30 minutes What a SPECTACULAR mission milestonethe first landing on a planetary moon other than our own. Greg Redfern JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html International Meteorite Collectors Association #5781 http://www.imca.cc Member Meteoritical Society http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sterling K. Webb Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 3:13 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT- Signal aquired from Huygens Hi, First image of Titan's surface shown from ESA via JPL and NASA shows a dendritic network (a pattern of fluid drainage) running down to what a appears to be a sea. Image taken at 16,000 meters. Large numbers of images received (100's). Probe continued to send images for a very long time after landing. Blokes who designed the batteries get a medal; they were only supposed to last for a few minutes. In fact, medals all around! Under all that atmospheric blur, complexity! Nothing like a New World! Sterling K. Webb - mark ford wrote: If the Huygens mission is a success, this bloke deserves a medal in my book! http://www.esa.int/spacecraftops/ESOC-Article-fullArticle_par-40_1103125 842574.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] [OT] Huricane
Lars, As a veteran of 7 typhoons I know what you have been throughglad you are safe. Greg Greg Redfern JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html International Meteorite Collectors Association #5781 http://www.imca.cc Member Meteoritical Society http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lars Pedersen Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 2:58 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] [OT] Huricane Hello list Just got the power back This is the worst I have been thrue so far. A huricaen just pased over Denmark. Roofs ar flying around, trees are faling (big ones- 300 year old oaks !!!)everywhere. I am ok, but so far 4 have been reported killed by the police Hurricane s are very very rare up here, so we are deeply chaken But stil alive Lars __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] A Call For A New Meteorite List
Jim I totally agree with your commentsfix what we have NOW. If we went to a new list w/o enforcement of the rules it would end up migrating to what we have here far too frequently. Happy New Year and all the best, Greg Redfern International Meteorite Collectors Association #5781 http://www.imca.cc Member Meteoritical Society http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Strope Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:29 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Call For A New Meteorite List Al.. While I certainly agree that the flame wars etc. make this list virtually a joke, I do not think a new list would catch on to the point where it would replace this list. It has just been around too long. I think the answer is to fix what we have. This list should be a comfortable place where we can send new collectors. But...it is not. For the last couple of years I have NEVER EVER recommended this list to a new collector. And I never will until the BS stops. This is a sad commentary on the present condition of this meteorite list. New collectors are usually pretty happy with their new hobby until they stumble upon this mailing list. Just ask Blaine Reed the feedback he gets from his mailorder collectors once they get on line and discover this forum. I belong to another mailing list which is backpacking related and I tell you this..the crap that goes on here would never be tolerated. Offenders are warned once and then banished for life. THIS LIST NEEDS RULES WITH TEETH!!! Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] A Call For A New Meteorite List List, There has been talk about starting a new meteorite list. One that will be monitored to make sure that topics stay on meteorites, that offensive posts will be removed and the offenders given time off or removed for good. None of the past posts by Bernd and others have been taken seriously and the list continues to spiral down to the lowest denominator of human kind. As mentioned before list brawls hurt collecting. We're all guilty at one time or another of posting off topic. Rather than learning from our mistakes we seem to get better at fighting chasing away potential collectors. How many out there would welcome such a list? I for one am ready for a change. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] RE: Happy New Year y'all
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!! Greg Redfern JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html International Meteorite Collectors Association #5781 http://www.imca.cc Member Meteoritical Society http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JKGwilliam Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 6:58 PM To: Christian Anger; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RE: Happy New Year y'all I'm off to the Fiesta Bowl Block Party with my wife, three daughters and 200,000 other people of questionable intelligence. My daughters are excited, someone called Smashmouth is playing on stage #1. I'm looking forward to getting back home! I hope you all have a safe and Happy New Year. Hopefully this next year will be filled with many new meteorites and more adventures. Best, John Gwilliam At 04:44 PM 12/31/2004, Christian Anger wrote: Hello y'all, we already have 2005 here ! Happy New Year from Austria too ! Christian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Hupe Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:20 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy New Year y'all Hello y'all (me practicing southern talk), Plain and simple, Happy New Year! :-) Greg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
