Re: [meteorite-list] ‘Space junk’ crashes into Florida home from International Space Station, NASA says

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

   What's the latest on that space junk that OSIRIS-REx brought back?

> On 04/16/2024 7:14 PM EDT Michael Gilmer via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
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> 
> Sales of all space debris are hereby suspended until further notice.
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024, Michael Murray via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
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> > We need another sign: Just Say NO to “ The Rods From God”. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] ‘Space junk’ crashes into Florida home from International Space Station, NASA says

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

uh, watch that decimal point. Correction: how bout 1,763,680 Lbs.
   
> On 04/16/2024 1:38 PM EDT John Lutzon via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> And, there is still 17 million Lbs. just waiting for a delivery address. Duck 
> and cover!
> JL
> 
> > On 04/16/2024 1:20 PM EDT Ben Fisler via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >  
> > At least it wasn’t “the Rods of God….”
> > Ben Fisler
> > 
> > 
> > > On Apr 16, 2024, at 8:36 AM, Michael Murray via Meteorite-list 
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> > > Long time referred to as “looming”, now we need signs out that say 
> > > “delivery imminent”.  
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Re: [meteorite-list] ‘Space junk’ crashes into Florida home from International Space Station, NASA says

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

And, there is still 17 million Lbs. just waiting for a delivery address. 
Duck and cover!
JL

> On 04/16/2024 1:20 PM EDT Ben Fisler via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> At least it wasn’t “the Rods of God….”
> Ben Fisler
> 
> 
> > On Apr 16, 2024, at 8:36 AM, Michael Murray via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
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> > Long time referred to as “looming”, now we need signs out that say 
> > “delivery imminent”.  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Easter thoughts and meteorites

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Yes, that's the one.. And, thank you for the Meteorite-Times article.
 My reference to MG was in name only- 'Peace River' --the one in Florida;
 which is mined to this day, but not so much for meteorites though.
My best,
John 

> On 03/31/2024 11:08 AM EDT Swan Valley Bushcraft  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://www.meteorite-times.com/disturbing-the-peace-river-meteorite/
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 9:06 AM Frank Cressy via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> > 
> >  There is also Peace River, fell March 31, 1963, L6
> >  
> >  Happy Easter,
> >  
> >  Frank
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 08:01:23 PM PDT, John Lutzon via 
> > Meteorite-list  wrote: 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  To all reading, my best,
> >  
> >  At this March 31, Easter Sunday, I wish my best to everyone for a 
> > wonderful day!!!.
> >  
> >  For some reason, I wondered if any meteorites are attributed to March 31 
> >  and found these: As printed on the Met-Bul
> >  Avec - 1908 - IIAB
> >  Kasamatsu - 1938 - Chondrite
> >  Revestoke - 1965 - CI-1
> >  Zsadany - 1875 - H-5
> >  Intentionally, left one out which may be close to Mr. MG ?
> >  
> >  Happy Easter, John
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[meteorite-list] Easter thoughts and meteorites

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

   To all reading, my best,

  At this March 31, Easter Sunday, I wish my best to everyone for a wonderful 
day!!!.

   For some reason, I wondered if any meteorites are attributed to March 31 
and found these: As printed on the Met-Bul
  Avec - 1908 - IIAB
  Kasamatsu - 1938 - Chondrite
  Revestoke - 1965 - CI-1
  Zsadany - 1875 - H-5
Intentionally, left one out which may be close to Mr. MG ?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15

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  Shannon,

  And?   Don't tease us---who had more fun?--you or the kids?
Which pallasite?
   Best, John 

> On 03/23/2024 10:32 PM EDT Hotmail  wrote:
> 
>  
> All,
> 
> I have been a member for around bit over a year— ever since I bought my first 
> meteorite, an end chunk of Pallasite.  I took that meteorite to my daughter’s 
> eight grade class and presented to the entire class, passing it around.  It 
> was a really enjoyable experience for me.
> 
> Anyway I just wanted to say that I learned a ton from that email chain over 
> the past few days!!
> 
> Shannon
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Mar 23, 2024, at 22:00, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Anne,
> > 
> >  In most cases, I Agree. In this case, both parties were respectful but had 
> > different views of
> > several implications of information divulgence. I enjoyed their points and 
> > the results.  
> > 
> >  Meteorite related aspects and meteorite discussions on a Meteorite-List, 
> > Brilliant!!
> > John Lutzon
> > 
> >> On 03/23/2024 2:19 PM EDT Anne Black via Meteorite-list 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Hey Everybody,
> >> 
> >> When you have a disagreement with somebody, did you ever consider 
> >> resolving it PRIVATELY?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Anne Black
> >> IMPACTIKA.com
> >> impact...@aol.com
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 08:27:09 PM MDT, Mendy Ouzillou via 
> >> Meteorite-list  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I’m not getting in the middle of these discussions. I will simply make the 
> >> following 3 statements + 1 opinion:
> >>  1. Here is Mohamed’s exact statement: “Hi all members liste , I have a 
> >> nice carbonaceous Nwa 15758 CK6 paired ,if anyone interested please 
> >> contacte me.” Notice that he used the word “paired” making no claim it was 
> >> part of the TKW of NWA 15758.
> >>  2. This discussion about “pairing” has been going on for forever. The 
> >> Global Meteorite Association has a policy to guide transparency: 
> >> https://gmeta.org/standards/descriptive-terms/pair-pairings. Mohamed could 
> >> have use better terminology to clarify the type of pairing, but I 
> >> personally did not see his description as problematic and applauded his 
> >> transparency.
> >>  3. On a related note, when a north African (or any seller) offers 
> >> material for sale that is unclassified, there is NO issue with doing so. 
> >> They are under no obligation to get material classified before trying to 
> >> sell. As long as both parties are transparent, and they agree to the terms 
> >> of the transaction, there is no injury to either party.
> >> 
> >> My opinion is that our community is sufficiently large that we cannot know 
> >> every seller, much less their intent. Most of us do repeat business with 
> >> sellers we trust, but that in no way means that all other sellers have ill 
> >> intent. Like anything transaction in life – caveat emptor.
> >> 
> >> My regards to the community,
> >> 
> >> Mendy
> >> 
> >> From:Meteorite-list  On 
> >> Behalf OfMark Lyon via Meteorite-list
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 9:50 PM
> >> To: humboldt bay jay 
> >> Cc: Meteorite-list 
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15
> >> 
> >> Jason Humboldt,
> >> 
> >> You just have to learn to tune out Jason utas. He has been doing this for 
> >> years. He isnt going to change. You should have seen some of the messages 
> >> he sent me before i blocked him. The first time I met him he went in my 
> >> display room in tucson and started complaining about me selling taza (nwa 
> >> 859) because it was his dad's classification. Then he claimed he was just 
> >> using it as an example because he thought he overheard me attacking dustin 
> >> Dickens (a friend of mine) for pairing meteorites. More recently, he made 
> >> damaging accusations about omolon specimens actually being brahin. Not 
> >> caring how it affected a Russian group who had just spent months 
> >> travelling and collecting the materials. He always thinks he is right, and 
> >> he very seldom is. For the record, you did not attack a Moroccan seller. 
> >> You politely told him not to use your classification, which was probably a 
> >> single person classification with low tot

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

  Ha, ha,
 Mark, do not feel honored, she talks about me too. ;-)
  I'm sure, on other social meteorite platforms things are very busy, busy, and 
great for business. 
  For some not in the groove, but here, it would be great for anyone to throw 
up anything meteorite
  and we'll see where the meteorites fall. I sometime reply in an unusual 
manner--
  and then just blame it on Anne.
JL 

> On 03/23/2024 10:09 PM EDT Mark Lyon  wrote:
> 
> 
> She could be talking about me. I was being very disrespectful.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 7:00 PM John Lutzon via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> > Hello Anne,
> >  
> >  In most cases, I Agree. In this case, both parties were respectful but had 
> > different views of
> >  several implications of information divulgence. I enjoyed their points and 
> > the results. 
> >  
> >  Meteorite related aspects and meteorite discussions on a Meteorite-List, 
> > Brilliant!!
> >  John Lutzon 
> >  
> >  > On 03/23/2024 2:19 PM EDT Anne Black via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
> >  > 
> >  > 
> >  > Hey Everybody,
> >  > 
> >  > When you have a disagreement with somebody, did you ever consider 
> > resolving it PRIVATELY?
> >  > 
> >  > 
> >  > Anne Black
> >  > IMPACTIKA.com
> >  > impact...@aol.com
> >  > 
> >  > 
> >  > On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 08:27:09 PM MDT, Mendy Ouzillou via 
> > Meteorite-list  wrote:
> >  > 
> >  > 
> >  > I’m not getting in the middle of these discussions. I will simply make 
> > the following 3 statements + 1 opinion:
> >  > 1. Here is Mohamed’s exact statement: “Hi all members liste , I have a 
> > nice carbonaceous Nwa 15758 CK6 paired ,if anyone interested please 
> > contacte me.” Notice that he used the word “paired” making no claim it was 
> > part of the TKW of NWA 15758.
> >  > 2. This discussion about “pairing” has been going on for forever. The 
> > Global Meteorite Association has a policy to guide transparency: 
> > https://gmeta.org/standards/descriptive-terms/pair-pairings. Mohamed could 
> > have use better terminology to clarify the type of pairing, but I 
> > personally did not see his description as problematic and applauded his 
> > transparency.
> >  > 3. On a related note, when a north African (or any seller) offers 
> > material for sale that is unclassified, there is NO issue with doing so. 
> > They are under no obligation to get material classified before trying to 
> > sell. As long as both parties are transparent, and they agree to the terms 
> > of the transaction, there is no injury to either party.
> >  > 
> >  > My opinion is that our community is sufficiently large that we cannot 
> > know every seller, much less their intent. Most of us do repeat business 
> > with sellers we trust, but that in no way means that all other sellers have 
> > ill intent. Like anything transaction in life – caveat emptor.
> >  > 
> >  > My regards to the community,
> >  > 
> >  > Mendy
> >  > 
> >  > From:Meteorite-list  On 
> > Behalf OfMark Lyon via Meteorite-list
> >  > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 9:50 PM
> >  > To: humboldt bay jay 
> >  > Cc: Meteorite-list 
> >  > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15
> >  > 
> >  > Jason Humboldt,
> >  > 
> >  > You just have to learn to tune out Jason utas. He has been doing this 
> > for years. He isnt going to change. You should have seen some of the 
> > messages he sent me before i blocked him. The first time I met him he went 
> > in my display room in tucson and started complaining about me selling taza 
> > (nwa 859) because it was his dad's classification. Then he claimed he was 
> > just using it as an example because he thought he overheard me attacking 
> > dustin Dickens (a friend of mine) for pairing meteorites. More recently, he 
> > made damaging accusations about omolon specimens actually being brahin. Not 
> > caring how it affected a Russian group who had just spent months travelling 
> > and collecting the materials. He always thinks he is right, and he very 
> > seldom is. For the record, you did not attack a Moroccan seller. You 
> > politely told him not to use your classification, which was probably a 
> > single person classification with low total known weight. Anyone with 
> > common sense can see that this is different from huge finds like hah346 and 
> > jikhara 001 and erg chech and whatever else he compl

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hello Anne,

  In most cases, I Agree. In this case, both parties were respectful but had 
different views of
 several implications of information divulgence. I enjoyed their points and the 
results.  
  
  Meteorite related aspects and meteorite discussions on a Meteorite-List, 
Brilliant!!
John Lutzon

> On 03/23/2024 2:19 PM EDT Anne Black via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey Everybody,
> 
> When you have a disagreement with somebody, did you ever consider resolving 
> it PRIVATELY?
> 
> 
> Anne Black
> IMPACTIKA.com
> impact...@aol.com
> 
> 
> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 08:27:09 PM MDT, Mendy Ouzillou via 
> Meteorite-list  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m not getting in the middle of these discussions. I will simply make the 
> following 3 statements + 1 opinion:
>   1. Here is Mohamed’s exact statement: “Hi all members liste , I have a nice 
> carbonaceous Nwa 15758 CK6 paired ,if anyone interested please contacte me.” 
> Notice that he used the word “paired” making no claim it was part of the TKW 
> of NWA 15758.
>   2. This discussion about “pairing” has been going on for forever. The 
> Global Meteorite Association has a policy to guide transparency: 
> https://gmeta.org/standards/descriptive-terms/pair-pairings. Mohamed could 
> have use better terminology to clarify the type of pairing, but I personally 
> did not see his description as problematic and applauded his transparency.
>   3. On a related note, when a north African (or any seller) offers material 
> for sale that is unclassified, there is NO issue with doing so. They are 
> under no obligation to get material classified before trying to sell. As long 
> as both parties are transparent, and they agree to the terms of the 
> transaction, there is no injury to either party.
> 
> My opinion is that our community is sufficiently large that we cannot know 
> every seller, much less their intent. Most of us do repeat business with 
> sellers we trust, but that in no way means that all other sellers have ill 
> intent. Like anything transaction in life – caveat emptor.
> 
> My regards to the community,
> 
> Mendy
> 
> From:Meteorite-list  On Behalf 
> OfMark Lyon via Meteorite-list
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 9:50 PM
> To: humboldt bay jay 
> Cc: Meteorite-list 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15
> 
> Jason Humboldt,
> 
> You just have to learn to tune out Jason utas. He has been doing this for 
> years. He isnt going to change. You should have seen some of the messages he 
> sent me before i blocked him. The first time I met him he went in my display 
> room in tucson and started complaining about me selling taza (nwa 859) 
> because it was his dad's classification. Then he claimed he was just using it 
> as an example because he thought he overheard me attacking dustin Dickens (a 
> friend of mine) for pairing meteorites. More recently, he made damaging 
> accusations about omolon specimens actually being brahin. Not caring how it 
> affected a Russian group who had just spent months travelling and collecting 
> the materials. He always thinks he is right, and he very seldom is. For the 
> record, you did not attack a Moroccan seller. You politely told him not to 
> use your classification, which was probably a single person classification 
> with low total known weight. Anyone with common sense can see that this is 
> different from huge finds like hah346 and jikhara 001 and erg chech and 
> whatever else he complained about. I didn't read his whole message because I 
> have heard it all before. Collectors want to know they are getting these, and 
> not another meteorite. People are not using these names to be dishonest but 
> to accurately describe what they are selling. It would be doing the community 
> a disservice not to use these names.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 9:04 AM humboldt bay jay via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> > I appreciate the immense amount of time I anticipated you would spend on 
> > your reply.
> > 
> > Thinking extensively about this, I wondered why you tried to shame me as a 
> > hypocrite, even when you have witness to me striving for best practices. 
> > Having autism I often struggle to understand people's intention. Many times 
> > I have gone wrong assuming the worst in people's actions. So one of my 
> > strategies is to try to think of the best possible intention that someone 
> > could have. I admit sometimes it is difficult with your approach (and 
> > attempt to shame me) but since your critique was not sound I came to reason 
> > that you saw an injustice that I perpetrated against Benzaki Mohamed and 
> > you felt the need to "punch the bully in his face". A fierce sense of 
> > justice that sometimes leads me to act foolish is also part of my condition 
> > so I was able to have sympathy with this realization. Now that you have 
> > responded I can more clearly see your intention. So here is my considered 
> > response.
> > 
> > To the community: I am happy 

Re: [meteorite-list] New Zealand's 10th meteorite discovered

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Excellent! Thank you. And, thanks to All of the eyes in the skies!
  J.


> On 03/22/2024 11:42 PM EDT Paul via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> New Zealand's 10th meteorite discovered by
> couple sitting in Queenstown spa
> by Juliet Speedy, NewsHub, March 22, 2024
> https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/03/new-zealand-s-10th-meteorite-discovered-by-couple-sitting-in-queenstown-spa.html
> 
> Newshub video
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM92Hij6gx0
> 
> Meteorite falls and finds in New Zealand
> https://teara.govt.nz/en/table/4694/meteorite-falls-and-finds-in-new-zealand
> 
> Aotearoa's 10th meteorite discovered
> RNZ, March 21, 2024
> https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/512328/we-found-the-bastard-aotearoa-s-10th-meteorite-discovered
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] The March Issue of Meteorite Times is now up.

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

 Thanks once Again Guys!
   And again, Mr. Kashuba's scope work amazes me.
  John Lutzon
  

> On 03/16/2024 2:03 PM EDT Paul Harris via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> The March issue of Meteorite Times is now up.
> 
> A huge thank you to all of our contributors who made this issue possible!
> 
> https://www.meteorite-times.com/
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Paul and Jim
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[meteorite-list] 3 TON ISS battery pallet entry

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

  Hello All,

 Is there any video of the expected "colorful" fireball from the re-entry 
of the discarded batteries from the Space Station?
   Trajectory, and unlikely fragments, is projected over Germany.

  John L
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Re: [meteorite-list] VERMONT METEOR SHOOK WINDOWS WITH BOOM

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

 FYI, did receive Both, Sir. Thanks. 

> On 02/28/2024 11:07 AM EST drtanuki via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> LIST,
> 
> https://www.aol.com/meteor-over-vermont-exploded-violently-150632492.html
> 
> METEORRATS ALERT-- BE READY TO SCURRY.
> 
> DIRK ROSS...TOKYO
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Re: [meteorite-list] Pakepake 005

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

  What's happening here, folks. I'm not endorsing this finder, in any way, but 
all of these maybe's, assume, could, possibles can be detrimental to Anyone's 
reputation. If anyone has what it takes to Prove it is misrepresented--Do So. 
I've heard of several sellers that sold meteorites that turned out to be the 
wrong classification, this was not by intent==instead it was misrepresented to 
them. Know anyone that got duped or sold some? 
   What's next; bind it to a chair and throw it in a river to see if it floats 
or sinks.
 Assuming conclusions is a Horrible path for the entire meteorite community.
John   

> On 02/20/2024 5:12 PM EST Korotev, Randy via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> See the field photo at the bottom of the MetBull writeup:
>   https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=81448
> 
> Yes, I suppose it could be faked.
> 
> There are two ordinary chondrites reported from nearby, 6 km and 13 km away.
> 
> Randy Korotev
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Re: [meteorite-list] Integrity of meteorites

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Anne,
Of course! 100%! But, again, before such analyses are completed to prove 
such, it's premature to assume foul play. Click "Recent Comments" on MPOD.

 John

> On 02/20/2024 3:08 PM EST Anne Black  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes John,
> 
> But if it turns out to be true that this lunar never was in the Taklamakan 
> desert, it should be made public, just like Shirokovsky and others. So the 
> records and the Met.Bulletin can be corrected.
> 
> Anne Black
> IMPACTIKA.com
> impact...@aol.com
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 03:01:48 AM MST, John Lutzon via 
> Meteorite-list  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hello, my best..
> 
> Meteorite-list is a avenue for people to discuss meteorite related 
> topics--right?
> Recently, (2/20/24), a Lunar (frag, breccia), Pakepake 005, from China was 
> picture posted online. The comments regarding the circumstances of this find 
> appeared to question its find location and the finders integrity without 
> foundation. 
> 
> I fully agree with the comment to OUT the scammers. But, before computer 
> keyboard destroying a finder/seller's reputation --- say How/Why.
> 
> As said, product misrepresentation in any business is old hat. Caveat Emptor.
> Should someone have information regarding this finder, I would be interested, 
> (Privately). 
> 
> Regards, John Lutzon
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[meteorite-list] Integrity of meteorites

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   Hello, my best..

Meteorite-list is a avenue for people to discuss meteorite related 
topics--right?
Recently, (2/20/24), a Lunar (frag, breccia), Pakepake 005, from China was 
picture posted online. The comments regarding the circumstances of this find 
appeared to question its find location and the finders integrity without 
foundation. 

I fully agree with the comment to OUT the scammers. But, before computer 
keyboard destroying a finder/seller's reputation --- say How/Why.

 As said, product misrepresentation in any business is old hat. Caveat Emptor.
Should someone have information regarding this finder, I would be interested, 
(Privately). 

Regards, John Lutzon
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites from 2024 BX1

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Mr. Kereszty, Matson,

 From a couch collector to the "eyes in the skies and boots on the grounds" 
--- I am amazed at your skillful efforts and big thanks to all of you do'ers!
   Kudos all way 'round. Bravo
John

> On 02/01/2024 1:31 PM EST Matson, Rob D. [US-US] via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> Congratulations on your finds, Zsolt! A little back-story from my end. I 
> followed 2024 BX1 from the moment of its discovery (having been fortunate 
> enough to be at my computer when I got the first JPL/SCOUT alerts).  After 
> the first 7 observations, the minor planet community knew it was going to be 
> an impactor in northern Germany in less than a couple hours (21 Jan 2024 
> 00:32:45 UT). As the # of telescopic observations grew from 7 to 20 to 50 to 
> over 100, I kept adjusting the impact trajectory, ultimately constraining the 
> terminal path to about 100-meter uncertainty. Meanwhile, I grabbed the 
> radiosonde upper atmospheric wind data launched from Lindenberg (only 110 km 
> away from the future fall location) and ran dark flight predictions. This is 
> the first fall where I was able to generate a map of predicted mass locations 
> ... BEFORE the meteoroid even hit the atmosphere!   I passed this map and 
> kmz file on to Peter Jenniskens who was flying out the next day. (Also a few 
> others who had expressed interest in searching for fragments of this Apollo 
> asteroid.)
> 
> As Zsolt knows, this was no run-of-the-mill fall. In a fresh fall (such as 
> the one that occurred north of Quartzsite, AZ at the end of December), the 
> stones are almost always covered in black fusion crust -- usually a matte 
> black for chondrites, or a shiny, glassy black for many types of achondrites. 
> Not so for this new fall north of Brandenberg! If I had been over their 
> searching, I could easily have walked right past these newly arrived rocks 
> from space that to the casual eye look like terrestrial stones. Hats off to 
> (I believe) the Polish team that made the first 3 or 4 finds, recognizing 
> them for what they were!
> 
> 2024 BX1 was not a large meteoroid: between 0.8 and 1.4 meters in size, 
> depending on its albedo. The orbit is (or rather was) well established, with 
> an aphelion that pretty much ruled out a (low albedo) carbonaceous chondrite. 
> So the size was most likely around a meter or slightly less. The entry 
> velocity was relatively slow (15.2 km/sec), but the entry angle was quite 
> steep (only 15 degrees from vertical). The former favored meteorites on the 
> ground, while the latter still meant the total recovered mass would be low.
> 
> Anyway, kudos again on your rare finds, Zsolt! And a big shout out to 
> Hungarian astronomer Krisztian Sarneczky for finding and rapidly reporting 
> 2024 BX1! This was not Krisztian's first rodeo -- he has the unique 
> distinction of having discovered not just one Earth impactor, but now THREE! 
> (Less than a year ago he discovered 2023 CX1 -- the asteroid that entered 
> over Normandy and was also successfully found by meteorite hunters.) Clearly 
> he is doing something right with his setup and operational plan!
> 
> Cheers,
> Rob
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Meteorite-list  On Behalf 
> Of Zsolt Kereszty via Meteorite-list
> Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 6:08 AM
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: EXTERNAL: [meteorite-list] For sale 9.6 gr complete piece of new 
> 2024 BX1 prediction fall asteroid - very nee found Germany
> 
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Leidos. Be cautious when 
> clicking or opening content.
> 
> Dear List Members!
> 
> Just I now finished my expedition in Germany, cmosed to Berlin at Ribbeck. It 
> took for 6 days and 100 km long.
> So I have ONLY one piece what I can sell, I keep my other piece. I have found 
> it today.
> 
> I have in-situ photos, GPS coordinates, found time, soil sample from under 
> the piece, plants, today local newspaper, german choclste :-) Thats a fully 
> documented piece.
> 
> If I have measured it well in the field its 9.6 gr with cracked crazy 
> translucent fusion crust. I didnt see ever such unique crust! Its an aubrite !
> 
> So the price with the additional things is 18000€
> 
> If I know well there is largest for sale piece of 2024BX1 recently.
> 
> If you interest contact me and I send you the images.
> 
> Best Regards!
> 
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> IMCA, GMA, MetSoc
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Re: [meteorite-list] Your Tucson Sales List

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

   Shirley you jest

Possibly, it is these classic meteorite, mineral and gem shows that give same 
interested people a festive venue to see what's new, talk, trade and possibly 
buy their First meteorite and start their own collection, etc., etc.. 

> On 01/31/2024 3:33 PM EST Jeff Tougint via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> If you or her love everything about meteorites, why are all those meteorites 
> for sale?
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 12:21 PM Matthias Bärmann via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> > 
> >  Wish all of you meteorite-fools a great time together in Tuscon.
> >  
> >  Matthias
> >  
> >  Am 31.01.2024 um 02:46 schrieb Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list:
> >  > Thank you Mike,
> >  >
> >  > Beverly is a good friend of mine. She works for NASA and loves all
> >  > things meteorite related.
> >  >
> >  > We'll stop by on Saturday and I'll introduce you to her.
> >  >
> >  > Thanks,
> >  >
> >  > Ruben Garcia
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > On Tue, Jan 30, 2024, 1:01 PM Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list
> >  >  wrote:
> >  >> Com To Tucson, go to the rooms and see the dealers. We don’t have sales 
> > lists. We have thousands of meteorites on display.
> >  >>
> >  >> Mineral City Buildijg E room E16
> >  >> Michael Farmer
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> >  >>
> >  >> On Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 1:29 AM, beverly girten via 
> > Meteorite-list  wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >> I am interested in your Tucson sales list. I will be in Tucson from 
> > Feb. 2-9. Will you still be there? Hope to see you if you are.
> >  >>
> >  >> Thanks, Bev
> >  >>
> >  >> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [meteorite-list] January 2024 Issue of Meteorite Times Now Up

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

With Paul and Jim at the front of that "extra big thank you".
 Another Great read 

> On 01/08/2024 4:59 PM EST Paul Harris via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,
> 
> The January issue of Meteorite Times is now up.
> 
> https://www.meteorite-times.com/
> 
> An extra big thank you to all of our contributors who make this possible!
> 
> Enjoy!
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[meteorite-list] OT: Ron Metchis

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

   Hello and Happy New Year.

  Does anyone have an avenue contact to Ron Metchis? My query is regarding his 
great Topherspin's hangouts tutorials on reverse Electrolysis. I have a 
question and a reference for him.
 
  I'm not on the usual social platforms, so this is pretty much it.
Thank you, John L
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Happy New Year with Cats

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

   I like their look when they drop a fresh fallen Meteorite at your feet.

 Good holidays..   

> On 12/26/2023 8:22 PM EST Paul via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> In my last post, there was one broken URL. The correct one is below.
> 
> Cats have nearly 300 facial expressions,
> including a 'play face' they share with humans
> By Jennifer Nalewicki, Live Science, October 30, 2023
> https://www.livescience.com/animals/cats/cats-have-nearly-300-facial-expressions-including-a-play-face-they-share-with-humans
>  
> 
> 
> Sorry about that.
> 
> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
> 
> Paul
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Card to Everyone on Earth

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Thank you's for your kind and gracious replies. 
   May the new year bring to us what is happiness to each of us.

  Thank you, and best to All



> On 12/24/2023 9:55 PM EST John Lutzon  wrote:
> 
>  
> Greetings, 
> 
>  I wanted to send a Good Cheer card to everyone and realized that I do 
> not have enough stamps and would most likely die of glue poisoning. So, I 
> decided to send just two cards, one to Earth and the other to the Heavens for 
> its well being and continuing to send us small gifts all year long. Nice 
> concept... 
> 
>  My best, worldwide, to People, Families, Friends and the Critters.
>   
> Enjoy to the World !
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[meteorite-list] A Card to Everyone on Earth

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 Greetings, 

 I wanted to send a Good Cheer card to everyone and realized that I do not 
have enough stamps and would most likely die of glue poisoning. So, I decided 
to send just two cards, one to Earth and the other to the Heavens for its well 
being and continuing to send us small gifts all year long. Nice concept... 

 My best, worldwide, to People, Families, Friends and the Critters.
  
Enjoy to the World !
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[meteorite-list] Gobble, gobble

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 To all who celebrate: Have a wonderful day with Family and Friends.
JL
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hunting Moldavites and some rare insights

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

   Mr. Gessler, thank you. I cringed every time those picks hit fresh dirt. 
Would love to have that tossed away mica flake for the scope. 
   My wife originates from Praha and remembers people finding moldavite along 
the banks of the Vltava. Perfect vicarious field trip. Well done.
 John L.

> On 11/06/2023 10:16 PM EST Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
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>  
> A fellow rockhound who is from BC who owns a great shop in Vancouver just 
> posted a surprisingly insightful video of him digging for moldavites.
> I think you all might enjoy this.
> 
> -Paul Gessler
> 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ID6wLzQ92c 
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[meteorite-list] Looking for El Ali

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  Hello folks,
 
I hope emails are running smoother.
  Does anyone have a source for the meteorite El Ali?
 
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[meteorite-list] Looking for El Ali

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 Hello folks,
 
I hope emails are running smoother.
  Does anyone have a source for the meteorite El Ali?
 
  Best, John -- trying a different setting - 11:44
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[meteorite-list] Post and Posted test 2

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   Many folks are scratching their heads with emails these days.
  My first "TEST" post was sent at 4:22pm-10/9/23. This post was sent 
  at 6:02. We'll see when or if either one shows up. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA asteroid sample lands safely in Utah before being whisked away by helicopter

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

  Paul,

  Thank you. I'm now waiting for what information Ms. D. Hill may have 
to share, as she becomes aware.

 GREAT Job everyone!!!

   Best, John


On 9/24/2023 10:13 PM, Paul via Meteorite-list wrote:
NASA asteroid sample lands safely in Utah before being whisked away by 
helicopter

Nell Greenfieldboyce, All Things Considered, September 24, 2023
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/24/1201386042/watch-live-nasa-sends-an-asteroid-sample-back-to-earth 



Nasa hails 'awesome' rescue mission as asteroid sample reaches 
military base

Rebecca Morelle and Jonathan Amos, BBC News, September 24, 2023
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/science-environment-66881285

Yours,

Paul H.

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Re: [meteorite-list] TODAY: Meteorite lecture at UA-Lunar & Planetary Lab

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

   Ms. Hill,

    Thank you!!. Excellent. Looking forward to a smooth landing and the 
analyses of findings in a future "Noticed" webinar.
  Again, perfect; history, progress, procedural processes and now just 
waiting for the unknown.


 John


On 9/13/2023 11:14 AM, Hill, Dolores - (dhill1) via Meteorite-list wrote:


**Hello Meteorite friends,


I apologize for the short notice. Here is a lecture of interest for 
in-person or zoom. (One in-person attendee may win a really great door 
prize). See below.


Best regards,

Dolores Hill



*LPL Evening Lecture*

Wednesday, Sept. 13, 2023

7:00p.m.

Kuiper 308 or Zoom webinar 

*Dr. Tom Zega*

Professor, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory


  *Relics of a Time Long Past: Deciphering the Origins of Our
  Planetary System Through Analysis of Returned Samples*

Our solar system formed from a spinning cloud of gas and dust some 4.5 
billion years ago. Our understanding of this early solar nebula has 
largely been developed through the decades-long study of meteorites, 
rocks from asteroids that hurtled through space before eventually 
arriving on Earth. Asteroids are remnants of the earliest days of our 
solar system, representing our most primitive solar system building 
blocks. However, we lack an understanding of which asteroids 
meteorites derive from, meaning we lose important context for 
deciphering the origins of our solar system. This September, NASA 
will, for the first time in its history, return a piece of an 
asteroid. Led by the University of Arizona’s Lunar and Planetary 
Laboratory, the OSIRIS-REx mission will return ≥60 g of carbonaceous 
asteroid Bennu. In my public evening lecture, I will provide an 
overview of meteorites and what they tell us about the solar system as 
well as an overview of this transformative mission, the plan for 
sample analysis, and what we hope to learn about our origins by 
measuring the returned samples.




/This event is free and open to the public./

/All lectures will take place in the University of Arizona/*/ Kuiper 
Space Sciences Lecture Hall room 308 and livestream via Zoom 
./*/ The building is located at 
/*/1629 E. University Blvd/*/. Doors open at 6:30 p.m. Parking in 
university surface parking lots is free after 5 p.m. Please be careful 
not to park in service or reserved spaces. Parking in the Cherry 
Avenue Garage is available after 5 p.m. at a cost of $1.00 per hour./


*Register for Zoom webinar.* 

Learn more about *Professor Tom Zega* 
.


For more information, visit the *LPL Evening Lecture Series * 
page.




Dolores Hill
Sr. Research Specialist
Lunar & Planetary Laboratory
Kuiper Space Sciences Bldg. #92
The University of Arizona
1629 E. University Blvd.
Tucson, AZ 85721
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/

LPL Laboratory Safety Officer
Meteorite Collection Manager
LPL Outreach Coordinator
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Re: [meteorite-list] September Issue of Meteorite Times Now Up

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On 9/12/2023 1:46 PM, John Lutzon wrote:


 Again, many thanks Paul and Jim,

   Always great stuff... Still working on Alan Keese's trek.

  Best, John lutzon


On 9/11/2023 5:30 PM, Paul Harris via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hello Everyone,

The September issue of Meteorite Times is now up.

As always, a huge thank you to all of our contributors who make this 
possible!


https://www.meteorite-times.com/

Enjoy!

Paul and Jim

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Re: [meteorite-list] Missing links to MPOD

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  Same scenario here-hit & miss.
  J.


On 8/15/2023 11:31 AM, Yahoo via Meteorite-list wrote:

Over the last week or so, only 1 or 2 links
were attached for me to see. So some days it work for me,  but other days it 
doesn’t. And it appears that it works for others everyday, but not at all 
(recently) for others. Hope it somehow gets resolved for everyone…. as I know 
everyone enjoys the posts.   :-)

Robert Woolard
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Re: [meteorite-list] Debris de-orbit

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   Thank you Dr. for your eyes in the skies updates.


On 4/27/2023 11:32 AM, Fries, Marc D. (JSC-XI211) via Meteorite-list wrote:


A SpaceX Dragon trunk re-entered over AZ, NM, CO last night.  Radar 
indicates large pieces reached the ground in CO and perhaps 
elsewhere.  I’ll have an update on NASA Meteorite Falls later today.


Cheers,

Marc Fries


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Re: [meteorite-list] Leonard David FYI: damage hand magnets used by amateurs do to meteorites

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

And the other studies, yet to be conceived, to differentiate between the 
object's original magnetism state


until the moment when it was influenced by our planet's magnetic field. 
Easy solution, go to where they


normally habitat and do such studies in situ. Otherwise, go and find all 
you can.



John Lutzon


On 4/12/2023 9:47 AM, Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list wrote:
Re the destruction of magnetic data in meteorites by hand magnets, I 
wonder whether the thousands of professionally collected fresh Falls, 
and professionally collected Antarctic Finds, aren't sufficient for 
all the paleomagnetism research that will ever get done? At some point 
the relatively small number of such researchers must get saturated 
with all the diverse samples they have time to study.


And magnets are mainly used on older finds which, I imagine, must be 
less relevant to planetary studies anyway, as they've been on Earth a 
long time, exposed to the Earth's magnetic field, and the influence of 
nearby lightning strikes, etc., hardly sources of reliable data 
anymore. So the worries about this might just be a tempest in a teapot.


On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 15:24, AL Mitterling via Meteorite-list 
> wrote:


Greetings,

I have said for a long time that using magnets to test possible
meteorites or use to show laymen that they attract a magnet isn't
such a good idea as the magnetic field is wiped out.

Scientific studies are and will be deterred. Information we might
have gleaned on parent bodies will have to be determined by other
means if at all possible.

I think there are even webpages that suggest using a magnet to see
if a possible sample is attracted and a form of identification.

We need to change our methods.

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 1:44 PM Leonard David via Meteorite-list
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Leonard David FYI:

Testing the damage hand magnets used by amateurs do to meteorites

https://phys.org/news/2023-04-magnets-amateurs-meteorites.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] New study uses Tardigrades to locate and recover Micrometeorites

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Sorry to hear of that study group's unsuccessful results. My personal 
convention of vacuum
sealed Kleiner Wasserbar's have been successful in the collection of full sized 
meteorites
worldwide by mastering online ordering and draining my bank account. 
Occasionally, they also employ the services of Dromedarys and Macaques 
to do the
desert hauling and plundering (when possible), respectively.

April 1st. is 365 days for me -- no apology.
I enjoy meteorites with levity.
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From: "Michael Gilmer via Meteorite-list" 
To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2023 11:53 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] New study uses Tardigrades to locate and recover 
Micrometeorites


A new University of Portwenn study has demonstrated the viability of
using tiny organisms to recover micrometeorites from small puddles of
water.

Scientists claim the most difficult part of the process was training
the tardigrades to discriminate between micrometeorites and
micrometeorwrongs. Dr. Bamford revealed that stubborn tardigrades kept
bringing back grains of magnetite hoping for a reward...

Link to paper : comon, you knew this was an APRIL FOOL.

Begging forgiveness in advance
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Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid the size of 33 armadillos - yes, you read that correctly

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

   Ah ha, as only Armadillos can transmit Leprosy to humans, maybe that 
explains the cause of
  meteorite leprosy  Caliche.   {:>)

JL
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- Original Message - 
From: "Matthias Bärmann via Meteorite-list" 

To: "Michael Gilmer" ; "Meteorite List" 

Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid the size of 33 armadillos - yes, you 
read that correctly



Michael - depends on how hungry they are after their voyage through
space and time.

Am 28.03.2023 um 16:43 schrieb Michael Gilmer via Meteorite-list:
> Apparently, armadillos are valid units of measurement in the planetary 
> sciences.
>
> I wonder how many armadillos would represent an extinction-level event?
>
> Link - https://m.jpost.com/science/article-735473
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Re: [meteorite-list] ET Question

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  Ha, no big deal..Just no spelling bee's for him. It's the thought that 
counts.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Sean T. Murray" 
To: "Paul Kurimsky" ; "John Lutzon" 
Cc: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ET Question


Agree with JR?

I think you missed a "." :-)

Sean

-Original Message- 
From: Paul Kurimsky via Meteorite-list
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 6:55 PM
To: John Lutzon
Cc: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ET Question

.-  - -.  .-.  .  ..- -  ..  -  ….   .- - -   .-. !!!

Paul Kurimsky
Sent from my iPhone
kd...@flash.net


> On Mar 24, 2023, at 1:55 PM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>
> 
>  Hello,
>
>   Little green men, I think not. Spending 7 figures to Possibly find
> another fall/classification over a mile underwater seems
> to
>   be a waste of resources. It took 22 years to recover a large, known
> location object -- Liberty Bell 7.
>
>  So, to ET:
>  If Voyager, which is presently 14+ billion miles out,
> somehow crashed where it too was observed & recovered
> would
> it be considered ET. Same with the remnants of the DART
> probe. To me, it seems like a bunch of semantics with the
> added waste of time and someone else's money. If it shows
> up here from out there it Is ET
> I'm still waiting for a large chunk of a room temperature
> superconductor to land in my mailbox  mailbox will be for
> sale.
>
>JL
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[meteorite-list] ET Question

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

  Hello,

   Little green men, I think not. Spending 7 figures to Possibly find 
another fall/classification over a mile underwater seems 
to
   be a waste of resources. It took 22 years to recover a large, known location 
object -- Liberty Bell 7.

  So, to ET:
  If Voyager, which is presently 14+ billion miles out, 
somehow crashed where it too was observed & recovered 
would
 it be considered ET. Same with the remnants of the DART probe. 
To me, it seems like a bunch of semantics with the
 added waste of time and someone else's money. If it shows up 
here from out there it Is ET
 I'm still waiting for a large chunk of a room temperature 
superconductor to land in my mailbox  mailbox will be for 
sale.

JL
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: My new book - 50 State Unofficial Meteorites

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

   Thank you Yinan!,

   Arrived today. Well done, informative and Great pictures. !!!

My best, John 
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- Original Message - 
From: "Yinan Wang via Meteorite-list" 
To: "METEORITE LIST" 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2023 4:29 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: My new book - 50 State Unofficial Meteorites


Hi list,

Recently I published a new meteorite book, aimed toward kids but great
for all ages, it's "50 State Unofficial Meteorites!"

I've previously written 50 State Fossils and 50 State Gems and
Minerals, which cover official US state symbols that are fossils,
gems, or minerals. The current book is about meteorites in each state
(or at least those that have documented meteorites) and tells stories
of the noteworthy specimens from those states which could be nominated
to be official state symbols. Also has plenty of easy-to-digest
science and history about meteorites!

The book has plenty of pictures, some from me but most are from the
meteorite community (and I thank everyone who contributed and helped!)

You can get the book on Amazon here or from you local bookstore:
https://www.amazon.com/State-Unofficial-Meteorites-Guidebook-Meteoriticists/dp/0764365088

Or if you want a signed copy email me at devoniande...@gmail.com and
we can make arrangements ($23, shipping included within the US)

Also here's a review from Martin Horejsi:
https://www.meteorite-times.com/the-50-state-unofficial-meteorites-a-guidebook-for-aspiring-meteoriticists/

Thank you and take care!
Yinan
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Re: [meteorite-list] Small, earth-impacting asteroid/meteoroid videos now showing up online

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

  Ah, to have such knowledge & contacts. Thanks Everyone for keeping us in 
the loop.
  JL
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  From: Rob Matson via Meteorite-list 
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 12:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small, earth-impacting asteroid/meteoroid 
videos now showing up online


  Flight direction was azimuth 102, entry angle about 41 degrees from vertical, 
slow entry velocity (~14 km/sec). There are certainly meteorites on the ground 
as this was a 1-1.5 meter, non-cometary body. The altitude was 42 km when it 
crossed the Normandy coastline, and the terminal burst had not yet occurred. 
I’ve already done dark flight modeling of this fall using radiosonde data from 
Herstmonceaux (balloon launched three hours before the fall from about 60 miles 
to the north in the southern UK).   --Rob

   

  Sent from Mail for Windows

   

  From: Chris Peterson via Meteorite-list
  Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 7:55 AM
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small,earth-impacting asteroid/meteoroid videos 
now showing up online

   

  It was heading generally eastward over the Channel and was still burning 

  when it crossed the French shoreline. It is likely to have dropped 

  meteorites on land.

   

  Chris

   

  ***

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  Cloudbait Observatory

  https://www.cloudbait.com

   

  On 2/14/2023 3:29 AM, Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list wrote:

  > It was heading from France and terminated it seems just as it reached the

  > channel so likely everything is in the sea if it did drop anything. Not

  > seen any predictions that it made landfall in France or the UK. So close

  > and yet so far.

  > 

  > Graham

  > 

  > On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 11:27 PM Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list <

  > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

  > 

  >> 

  >> 

  >> Nice!   :-)

  >> 

  >> On Feb 12, 2023, at 11:10 PM, Matson, Rob D. [US-US] via Meteorite-list <

  >> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

  >> 

  >> A small (~1-meter) asteroid that astronomers have been tracking for

  >> several hours earlier today crossed over the English Channel one hour ago

  >> (3:00 UT 13 February) and broke up over the coast of Normandy. Many videos

  >> of it are already appearing on the web. Here’s one taken from Brighton, UK

  >> (south coast of England) looking across the channel toward France:

  >> 

  >> https://twitter.com/KadeFlowers/status/1624967147708420103

  >> 

  >> Should be numerous meteorites on the ground – the meteoroid was at about

  >> 40-km altitude at the point it crossed the French coastline north of

  >> Saint-Martin-aux-Buneaux, so nearly all of it should be over land.  --Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] Picric acid

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

   Appreciated information and insight,

 Thank you Mark, Sang, etc. Good site information! 
 Will re-calculate, evaluate.

  Many thanks, 
 John   
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  From: Mark Hammergren 
  To: John Lutzon 
  Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 1:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Picric acid


  Metallic picrate salts are notoriously sensitive explosives, particularly 
anhydrous nickel. Unless that is your desired end product, there are far better 
choices for meteorite etchants.


  On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 12:52 PM John Lutzon via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:


 Hello,

  Anyone with experience with Picric acid as a meteorite etchant?

  Thanks, John 

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[meteorite-list] Picric acid

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 Hello,

  Anyone with experience with Picric acid as a meteorite etchant?

  Thanks, John 
  
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[meteorite-list] New Falls

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Am I to assume that new falls immediately convey their whereabouts to their 
Dad?
  The Most - IMMITW.

John L
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Re: [meteorite-list] Researchers discover two new minerals on meteorite grounded in Somalia

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

 Did someone say; it was sold to china?
As they are already lab created, is there an application for either of them? 
John
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  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 7:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Researchers discover two new minerals on 
meteorite grounded in Somalia


  Yes, Leonard, 


  And another collector provided me with this link to another article on the 
subject:
  https://phys.org/news/2022-11-minerals-massive-meteorite-reveal-clues.html  




  Anne Black
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  Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2022 12:27 pm
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Researchers discover two new minerals on meteorite 
grounded in Somalia


  Leonard David FYI:


  Researchers discover two new minerals on meteorite grounded in Somalia


  
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/nov/29/researchers-discover-two-new-minerals-on-meteorite-grounded-in-somalia
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Re: [meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

John,

Bingo...

  The fact is, the only specimen of a meteorite that can be said to be 
Authentic is that actual specimen that is tested in that 
laboratory.
Every other specimen from said main mass or similar stones from a strewn field 
are technically "knockoffs", therein lies the trust 
of provenance,
certificates, labels, laboratory, seller. And yes, occasionally, even the most 
esteemed classifiers have had to Update certain 
previous classifications.
Provenance, trust & knowledge is the real ticket. Yep, pretty much a non-issue.

Things were much more trustworthy (BeB) - before eBay.

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From: "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list" 
To: "metlist" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY


Thought I'd chime in...

In my humble opinion, this is a non-issue.

In the world of collectibles such as meteorites determining the authenticity of 
a specimen occurs in one of three ways:
1) You know enough about a specimen yourself to decide on your own that it is 
what someone says it is.
2) You know enough about the person (or company) you are buying from to trust 
that it is what someone says it is.
3) You trade with a noted institution and get exactly what they say it is.

Whether or not there is a larger organization that is "authorized" to give 
certifications on a specimen is meaningless.
a) Not every specimen can be certified by that organization. Nor should they 
be. They would be overwhelmed with specimens, and as 
we all know the definitive methods of testing are nearly all destructive in 
nature.
b) Even when such organizations do exist, they are frequently fallible, 
sometimes corrupt, and often disagree with one another if 
there is more than one organization issuing certifications.

Some prime examples of this are from the world of genuine Japanese sword 
collecting, also called Nihonto collecting.
i) The most highly respected shinsa (judgement of authenticity for a sword) 
organization in Japan is called the NBTHK. They went 
through a significant scandal in the 1970's when antique swords with gimei 
(fake) signatures, where certified as zaimei (genuine) 
signatures. This occurred for various reasons, the most crucial of which was 
bribery. All swords certified during that era had to 
subsequently be re-certified under the new leadership and scholarship of the 
organization, and a huge number of those swords were 
found to have fake signatures.
ii) Another respected organization that performs shinsa is called the NTHK. I 
have personally submitted a sword for NTHK shinsa and 
had it approved as zaimei, only to submit it again to the NBTHK and see them 
call the signature gimei. In other words, not even the 
most respected scholars in a field of study always agree.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295



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On 7/27/22 at 2:52 AM, Maurizio Eltri via Meteorite-list wrote:

>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> I am thinking that perhaps there are
> interpretative rules that may vary from country
> to country. At least here in Italy and a little
> more generally in Europe, a certificate is an
> important document and as such its value can only
> be given if it is drawn up by a person or body
> legally responsible for doing so. If everyone
> could draw up any certificate on their own, it
> certainly would no longer have the same value.
> In the specific case you write "In this case the
> seller is" certifying "the" authenticity "of the
> meteorite he is selling." In this case the
> document cannot define a certificate but rather a
> self-certification or rather a self-declaration,
> which are very different things.
>
>
>
> At 17:34 26/07/2022, you wrote:
> >I guess I am just not understanding how the word
> >"certificate' is misrepresenting anything.  I
> >am not sure where the text you copied came from
> >or how it relates, but the word certificate is
> >appropriate when a specific entity is formallyÂ
> >stating something.  In this case, the seller is
> >"certifying" the "authenticity" of the meteorite
> >they are selling.  It is correct usage.   The
> >cards I use don't actually say "certificate of
> >authenticity" on them  but when customers ask
> >about a "COA" I know what they are talking about
> >and don't see anything wrong with the
> >term.  They clearly know that it is the seller,
> >and not some other entity, making the claim that
> >the item is authentic, so there is no problem of
> >confusion of what it means.  Regarding the
> >issue of a "lack of seriousness" of the seller,
> >times change.  It could be that at one point
> >people might have found the term weird, but for
> >new collectors a COA is just an assumed part of
> >a purchase.  If they asked for one and you said
> >"I don't provide those, but I have a label" that
> >would indicate to them a lack of
> >seriousness.  The difference is that the term
> >"label" doesn't imply that the seller 

[meteorite-list] (OT) - C/2017 K2

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hello,

Does anyone know if the above subject Comet will be visible to the naked eye
anytime soon. 

   Thank you, John
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD; Indochinites- Tektites 2021 OCT

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Excellent question, Mike

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To: 
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 10:20 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD; Indochinites- Tektites 2021 OCT


Hi Dirk,
 Glad to see you are still posting on the Met-List. Is there someone out there 
that you trust to tell whether on not a suspect 
Indochinite is actually such our not?
All the Best,
Mike
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[meteorite-list] Breja--- Subject Closed

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These are previous Posts that never posted.?

This subject is closed for me. 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Breja

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  - Original Message - 
  From: John Lutzon 
  To: Anne Black ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 09, 2021 4:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Breja



  Hi Anne,

 Here is what I have found:  Observed fall on May 1, 2010 - Southern 
Moroccan/Algerian borders
  after giant bolide sighting. Sold as Taousz and Breja.  <15Kg   ???



John


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To: j...@lutzon.com 
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2021 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Breja


I don't remember that Fall. 
When? where?  
Maybe it was classified under another name??? 


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Sent: Fri, Jul 9, 2021 11:14 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Breja




Hello,



Does anyone have thoughts on why meteorite "Breja" hasn't been classified

despite its apparent witnessed fall, etc.?



John

#1896



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Re: [meteorite-list] Breja

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hi Anne,

   Here is what I have found:  Observed fall on May 1, 2010 - Southern 
Moroccan/Algerian borders
after giant bolide sighting. Sold as Taousz and Breja.  <15Kg   ???



  John
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Anne Black 
  To: j...@lutzon.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 09, 2021 4:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Breja


  I don't remember that Fall. 
  When? where?  
  Maybe it was classified under another name??? 


  Anne Black
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  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Fri, Jul 9, 2021 11:14 am
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Breja




  Hello,



  Does anyone have thoughts on why meteorite "Breja" hasn't been classified

  despite its apparent witnessed fall, etc.?



  John

  #1896



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[meteorite-list] Explanation? -- Breja

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Here is a excerpt from an in depth publication on Moroccan falls.

Although acknowledged, it appears there isn't enough Precise info for 
confirmation.

Thanks everyone for your input.
John



2. 3. Meteors The falls of Breja, Nzala and Taouz (Fig. 1) by opposition to the 
other witnessed falls, raises a problem in the
exactness of the statements which relate to it. In spite of eyewitnesses' 
presence, it always misses in the declaration of this
fall the essential elements as the exact coordinates and even the precise day 
of the fall. As the meteors observations are not
precise, the research is not always successful and they can spend weeks and 
months in the field without recovering the meteorite.
While there will always be an element of luck involved in meteorite fall 
recovery, a nighttime fireball, after all, will be visible
over a much larger geographical region than that in which the meteorite 
physically falls.

1- Breja. (2010, LL6 ordinary chondrite),
May 1st at 3:00 GMT in the area of Breja, 35km north of Tindouf and east of 
Zag, many people witnessed a very bright bolide
accompanied by a sonic boom and fragmentation event. Nomads recovered the 
meteoritic material in the border to Morocco.

2- Nzala.(2009, Ordinary chondrite),
November 13th at 21:00 GMT, many people from Erfoud, Errachidia and Errich 
(Morocco) observed the
meteor and heard three sonic booms. Meteorite hunters searched for weeks but no 
sample has been found except one report from a
dealer about nomads who found two pieces of about 100 and 700 grams.

3- Taouz. (2010, no sample has been recovered so far),
May 19th at 4:00 GMT. In Taouz area, a few eyewitnesses reported the high
brightness meteor and a sound like many rocks fall.

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[meteorite-list] Breja - 2010 Falls

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

It seems that it was observed ??

Jan 18, 2010 - Lorton (L6 chondrite) : Virginia USA (Hammer)
Feb 28, 2010 - Kosice (H5 chondrite) : Slovakia
Apr 13, 2010 - Mason Gully (H5 chondrite) : Australia
Apr 14, 2010 - Mifflin (L5 chondrite) : Wisconsin USA (Hammer)
May 01, 2010 - "Breja/Taouz" (unofficial) (LL6 chondrite?) : Morocco/Algeria 
--- ///--
Jun 19, 2010 - Varre-Sai (L5 chondrite) : Brazil
Jul 04, 2010 - Trapeang Ronoas (H4 chondrite) : Cambodia
Jul 13, 2010 - Huaxi (H5 chondrite) : China



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Re: [meteorite-list] Breja - Limited info

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Here is what I have found: Observed fall on May 1, 2010 - Southern 
Moroccan/Algerian borders
after giant bolide sighting. Sold as Taousz and Breja. <15Kg ???

Seems to be forgotten for some reason...
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[meteorite-list] Breja

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hello,

Does anyone have thoughts on why meteorite "Breja" hasn't been classified
despite its apparent witnessed fall, etc.?

John
#1896

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Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Exactly what That idiocy embraces
I never thought that "hard science" had Any ambiguity

- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Wegmann" 
To: "John Lutzon" 
Cc: "bill k" ; 
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE 
SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS


Oh, come on...they're just trying to be "inclusive".  "Woke" idiocy
now invades the hard sciences.  We're doomed...

On 5/22/21, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
>
> And let's not forget the - could be, possible, maybe, perhaps witnessed fall
> category.
> Not too ambiguous for any commitee i'm sure.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list"
> 
> To: "bill k" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE
> SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
>
>
> LOL! I guess you know better than the whole nomenclature committee! ROFL!
>
> Cheers,
> John A. Shea, MD
> IMCA 3295
> www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
>
>
>
> On 5/22/21 at 2:22 PM, bill k wrote:
>
>>
>> As usual you miss the point. How can a find be a doubtful fall. It's just
>> as ridiculous as the term "witnessed find" as I
>> suggested. If the darn thing has been found it had to have fell at some
>> point. Shsh Most of these terms are absurd.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>>
>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>> On Friday, May 21, 2021 7:51 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > In my estimation, Bur-Arbor likely rests in the category of "Find -
>> > Doubtful Fall" or "Find" as defined below. The degree of
>> > weathering seen on the mass is unlikely to be from an event in 1997,
>> > though an earlier event in the region may be on record
>> > somewhere, and thus be loosely connected to the mass.
>> > The below is quoted from Michael's link. Very helpful...
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > John A. Shea, MD
>> > IMCA 3295
>> > www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
>> >
>> > "The New Categorization System for Falls and Finds:
>> >
>> > In December, 2014, the NomCom adopted a new system for categorizing
>> > falls and finds. Instead of a binary system, the new one
>> > has five categories, which can be arranged in order of confidence that a
>> > meteorite is an observed fall.
>> >
>> > The top two categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines
>> > to be falls, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules
>> > for falls:
>> >
>> > A “Confirmed fall” is a meteorite determined to be a fall beyond
>> > reasonable doubt. There was a well-documented fall event,
>> > witnessed either visually or with instruments, and collection occurred
>> > soon after the event. Physical evidence is consistent
>> > with a fresh fall, or, when collection did not occur immediately,
>> > convincingly points to a fall at the time of the event.
>> >
>> > A “Probable fall” is a meteorite found to be a fall by the weight of the
>> > evidence, but there remains some degree of doubt.
>> > There were observations of an event considered likely to have produced
>> > meteorites, but there remains some doubt about whether
>> > the collected meteorite is related to the event, or about the nature of
>> > the event itself.
>> >
>> > The bottom three categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom
>> > determines to be finds, and are subject to the nomenclatural
>> > rules for finds, including application of DCA numbering sequences.
>> >
>> > A “Find, possible fall” is a meteorite that was submitted with
>> > information that may connect it to a fall event, but the
>> > evidence was found to be insufficient to accept this claim. There was an
>> > observation that seems consistent with a fall event,
>> > but there is significant doubt, either about whether the meteorite is
>> > connected to the event or about the observations of the
>> > event itself.
>> >
>> > A “Find, doubtful fall” is also a meteorite submitted with information
>> > that may connect it to a fall event, but there is a high
>> > degree of doubt about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or
>> > about the observations of the event itself.
>> >
>> > A “Find” is a meteorite for which no evidence, or no credible evidence,
&

Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

And let's not forget the - could be, possible, maybe, perhaps witnessed fall 
category.
Not too ambiguous for any commitee i'm sure.


- Original Message - 
From: "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list" 
To: "bill k" 
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE 
SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS


LOL! I guess you know better than the whole nomenclature committee! ROFL!

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
www.bigjohnmeteorites.com



On 5/22/21 at 2:22 PM, bill k wrote:

>
> As usual you miss the point. How can a find be a doubtful fall. It's just as 
> ridiculous as the term "witnessed find" as I 
> suggested. If the darn thing has been found it had to have fell at some 
> point. Shsh Most of these terms are absurd.
>
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Friday, May 21, 2021 7:51 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
>
> > In my estimation, Bur-Arbor likely rests in the category of "Find - 
> > Doubtful Fall" or "Find" as defined below. The degree of 
> > weathering seen on the mass is unlikely to be from an event in 1997, though 
> > an earlier event in the region may be on record 
> > somewhere, and thus be loosely connected to the mass.
> > The below is quoted from Michael's link. Very helpful...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > John A. Shea, MD
> > IMCA 3295
> > www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
> >
> > "The New Categorization System for Falls and Finds:
> >
> > In December, 2014, the NomCom adopted a new system for categorizing falls 
> > and finds. Instead of a binary system, the new one 
> > has five categories, which can be arranged in order of confidence that a 
> > meteorite is an observed fall.
> >
> > The top two categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines to 
> > be falls, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules 
> > for falls:
> >
> > A “Confirmed fall” is a meteorite determined to be a fall beyond reasonable 
> > doubt. There was a well-documented fall event, 
> > witnessed either visually or with instruments, and collection occurred soon 
> > after the event. Physical evidence is consistent 
> > with a fresh fall, or, when collection did not occur immediately, 
> > convincingly points to a fall at the time of the event.
> >
> > A “Probable fall” is a meteorite found to be a fall by the weight of the 
> > evidence, but there remains some degree of doubt. 
> > There were observations of an event considered likely to have produced 
> > meteorites, but there remains some doubt about whether 
> > the collected meteorite is related to the event, or about the nature of the 
> > event itself.
> >
> > The bottom three categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines 
> > to be finds, and are subject to the nomenclatural 
> > rules for finds, including application of DCA numbering sequences.
> >
> > A “Find, possible fall” is a meteorite that was submitted with information 
> > that may connect it to a fall event, but the 
> > evidence was found to be insufficient to accept this claim. There was an 
> > observation that seems consistent with a fall event, 
> > but there is significant doubt, either about whether the meteorite is 
> > connected to the event or about the observations of the 
> > event itself.
> >
> > A “Find, doubtful fall” is also a meteorite submitted with information that 
> > may connect it to a fall event, but there is a high 
> > degree of doubt about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or 
> > about the observations of the event itself.
> >
> > A “Find” is a meteorite for which no evidence, or no credible evidence, was 
> > submitted concerning the fall circumstances."
> >
> > On 5/21/21 at 7:29 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:
> >
> > From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list" 
> > 
> > Date: May 21, 2021
> > To: "bill k" 
> > Cc: "Darryl Pitt" ,
> > "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE 
> > SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
> > Bill, please see Microsoft Word - falls and finds - accepted 2-24-2015.docx 
> > (usra.edu) for an answer to your question. The 
> > Nomenclature Committee of the Meteoritical Society maintains these 
> > definitions.
> >
> > -Michael in so. Cal.
> >
> > Virus-free. www.avg.com
> >
> > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:44 PM bill k via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > "Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such 
> > > designation exists.
> > >
> > > Is there an "official" designation for "witnessed find"? I mean it is 
> > > implied and should go without saying... but is it an 
> > > officially recognized term?
> > >
> > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > >
> > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 6:45 AM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list 
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Elizabeth,
> > > >
> > > > Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such 
> > > > 

Re: [meteorite-list] Announcement : First American Lunar Meteorite Found!

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Yep, I bit brought a smile too.. well done 


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Murray via Meteorite-list" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2021 2:49 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcement : First American Lunar Meteorite Found!


Good one.  Nicely done too I might add. 
Mike Murray
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Re: [meteorite-list] A fireball, a driveway and a priceless meteorite - Gloucestershire, UK

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Should happen to you, or you, or better me
Thanks Paul 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul via Meteorite-list 
  To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2021 5:23 PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] A fireball, a driveway and a priceless meteorite - 
Gloucestershire, UK


  on TwitterA fireball, a driveway and a priceless meteorite

  Jonathan Amos, BBC News, March 9, 2021
  https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-56337876


  Yours


  Paul H.













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[meteorite-list] Definition

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hello All,

Will someone please define what a "competing organization" means
with regard to the GMA?

John L 
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[meteorite-list] Searching

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hi All,

Is there anyone out there that might have saved a workable, emailable link to 
a screensaver that Meteorite Times posted about 2010. It is of Tom Phillips' 
thin section pictures. Paul previously said that he doesn't seem to have saved
that post. It is beautiful and it would be nice to share with others. Thanks 
for any help.
John
  

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

It's been fixed Anne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Anne Black via Meteorite-list 
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; valpar...@aol.com ; 
graham.en...@gmail.com 
  Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 4:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day


  Odd. 
  It comes up just fine for me. 
  What browser are you using?  I moved to Chrome a few weeks ago, a whole lot 
less problems. 


  Anne Black
  IMPACTIKA.com
  impact...@aol.com




  -Original Message-
  From: Stelvino Vincent via Meteorite-list 

  To: Paul Swartz ; Graham Ensor 
  Cc: meteorite list 
  Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2020 10:29 am
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day


  Yes, it’s the same for me.  

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  De : Meteorite-list  de la part 
de Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list 
  Envoyé : 19 décembre 2020 05:56
  À : Paul Swartz 
  Cc : meteorite list 
  Objet : Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day 

  Anyone else finding that the picture of the day does not load up?



  On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 9:10 AM Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

Today''s Meteorite Picture of the Day: Toluca

Contributed by: Tomasz Jakubowski

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=12/19/2020
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

What am I missing?

- Original Message - 
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To: "Audrey Pfeifer" ; 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites


I'm speechless!  Utterly speechless!

-Original Message-
>From: Audrey Pfeifer via Meteorite-list 
>Sent: Nov 22, 2020 12:12 AM
>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites
>
>Here are a few meteorites from my collection. The topmost and middle ones are, 
>I
>believe lunar, which weigh 9 and 12 pounds respectively. The other, below, I 
>believe is
>Martian and it weighs 31.6 lbs. As you can see, it is yellow and red though 
>the colors
>are dulled probably from it’s long earthly sojourn. I have quite a few other 
>meteorites
>most of which were found on my property in Sebastopol, California (sold now), 
>and
>in the Sierra Nevada foothills.  I have many smaller meteorites.  I have been 
>collecting
>these rocks for more than 40 years and am now very old. So I want to sell most 
>of them
>and need help in deciding how to go about it. I know they will need to be 
>classified,
>but how do I get that done. I have no way to cut pieces off of them and there 
>doesn’t
>seem to be any meteorite collectors anywhere near Modesto who would have such
>equipment. Can anyone on the list help me?
>Thank You,
>Audrey
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] So, uh, is there a black hole at the center of the Earth? - One of Five Retracted Papers

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

I was waiting for that ---  ha,ha

- Original Message - 
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Cc: ; ; 

Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] So, uh, is there a black hole at the center of 
the Earth? - One of Five Retracted Papers


Sales of all sock-eating black holes is hereby suspended until further notice.


On 10/16/20, Anne Black via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Exactly!It could be the answer to so many mysteries!
>
> Anne blackimpactika.comimpact...@aol.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mattias Bärmann via Meteorite-list
> 
> To: Svend Buhl 
> Cc: Paul ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2020 6:08 am
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] So, uh, is there a black hole at the center of
> the Earth? - One of Five Retracted Papers
>
>
>   Yeah, man. Billions of left socks safe at home. The myriads of
> counterparts: caught in the hole. Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz called it
> "pre-stabilized harmony".
>   Am 15.10.2020 um 14:01 schrieb Svend Buhl:
>
>
>
>
>  And don’t forget the mystery of the missing socks! Billions have been lost
> since the dawn of time, but only ever one, never a pair ...
>
> Am 15.10.2020 um 13:16 schrieb Mattias Bärmann via Meteorite-list
> :
>
>
>
>  
>
>   My suspect since decades. The car keys - vanished. My spectacles - lost.
> The Euros - no shows. And Elvis? The Bernsteinzimmer? The Bermuda Triangle?
>
>   Am 14.10.2020 um 21:36 schrieb Paul via Meteorite-list:
>
> 13 Scientists Say in a Real Journal There's a Black
>  Hole at the Center of Earth, Caroline Delbert, Sept. 28, 2020
> https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a34166354/black-hole-center-of-earth-fake-study/
>
>
>  Retraction: A Black Hole at the Center of Earth Plays the
>  Role of the Biggest System of Telecommunication for
>  Connecting DNAs, Dark DNAs and Molecules of Water
>  on 4+N- Dimensional Manifold
>  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6910781/
>
>  Retraction: Five papers from Open Access Maced
>  J Med Sci. Vol. 7 No. 18 (2019): Sep 30 (Global Dermatology)
>  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6910781/citedby/
>
>  Yours,
>
>  Paul H.
>
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite thin section viewing

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hello folks,

With regard to Steve Britteham's MPOD of 8/18/20 where he stated that with some 
simple parts and some innovation,
anyone is able to enjoy the amazing kaleidoscope (type) images of a meteorite 
thin section. His illustrated
microscope setup is probably too intense for a casual collector. I do 
understand his methods and goals. Again,
too much for most. However, for simple home viewing of thin sections under XPOL 
(cross polarized lighting) which
shows the beautiful colors that, we know, we all love to see, this type of 
viewing can be accomplished quite simply.
If I remember correctly, Steve Schoner (bless him-super guy) offered a hand 
held viewer. The only important parts
needed are Two ordinary polarized camera lenses (camera shop "goody box"--$2/3 
apiece) and Any light source.
Of course any microscope would improve the expierience. I hope Marissa had her 
oooh & aaah moment. I was on
a personal mission to rival Kashuba's expert work and s#it happened in 2012 for 
me, now I just watch others build
their own systems. My favorites to view are achondrites - just ask Anne.

Many others have tried to get a Met-List or IMCA list going on this subject 
with limited results. It is Not complicated
to achieve astounding personal results. A few comments from the knowledgeable 
geared towards a collector
that's sitting home and saying "how do I even get started". Help them get 
started and they'll go from there.
Guaranteed they will.
Big thanks to thin section producers.

Every one of them is Beautiful in XPOL.
Thank you Steve.

J  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : Erg Chech 002 Ungrouped Achondrite and 9 other desert finds

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Thank you Mike,

>From all of us lazy people (oh yes, don't deny it).
Congrats to TWINK!

- Original Message - 
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To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 6:36 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : Erg Chech 002 Ungrouped 
Achondrite and 9 other desert finds


Hi Listees,

There is a new Met Bull update with 10 desert finds, including the new
ungrouped achondrite Erg Chech 002 -
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea==names=contains=50=ge==All=name=All=All1=Normal%20table==0



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[meteorite-list] Good Thoughts

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

My Best wishes to everyone worldwide
Still going in southern Florida...
Stay safe...

John
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Re: [meteorite-list] More Rare Meteorite falls for sale! USA, Mexico, Canada, Russia, etc...

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Thank you Ruben,

I'm not in the market at this time, however,
You have presented a super wonderful list of collectibles.
I also thank you for your diligence towards the meteoritic realm.
Do you and Mike Farmer work together?

My best, John
- Original Message - 
From: "Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 6:19 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] More Rare Meteorite falls for sale! USA, Mexico, 
Canada, Russia, etc...


Hi all,

Everything listed below is a witnessed fall. Some are so rare that
most of us have never even heard of them.  Please take a look and if
you like something I can send pics.
I have many more that are not listed so If you're looking for
something (except for US falls all I have left is listed here) email
me.

Possible discount if you purchase multiple items.

If you think I have priced something a little high make an offer, all
I can say is no.


747 gram - Gao Guenie - Berkino Faso - H5 - Nice Large Crusted Individual - $750

0.930 gram  - Wessley – Czech Republic – H5 -$200

2.272 gram – Berlanguillas - Spain– L6 -$400

0.64 gram – Blansko - Czech Republic – H5 -$400

2.55 gram – Braunschweig – Germany – L6 -$600

1.776 gram – Butsura - Czech Republic – H5 - $400

0.182 gram – Utzenstorf – Switzerland -  H5 - $600

2.530 gram – Utrecht – Netherlands – L6 - $800

0.743 gram – Valdinizza – Italy – L6 - $225

1.412 gram – Girgenti -  - Italy – L6 - $150

1.58 gram – Tieschitz - Czech Republic – H/L3.6 - $450

2.234 gram – Tourinnes- la-Grosse – Belgium L6 - $500

0.952 gram – Neuschwanstein – Germany – EL6 - $450

0.730 gram – Tromoy – Norway – H - $500

1.536 gram – Trenzano – Italy – H3/4 - $450

1.662 gram – Tysnes Island – Norway – H4 - $400

0.87 gram – Erxleben – 1812 Germany – H6 - $600

2.520 gram – Alfianello -  1883 Italy – L6 - $150

0.084 gram – Cabezo de Mayo – 1870 spain – L/LL6 - $50

5.727 gram – Lowicz – 1935 Poland – Meso - $300

4.366 gram – Hvittis – 1901 Finland – EL6 - $300

0.632 gram – Almahata Sitta – 2008 Sudan – Urelite - $1100

1.625 gram – Vigarano – 1910 Italy – CV3 - $700

5.3 gram – Pultusk – 1868 Poland – H5 - $100

0.95 gram – Jajh deh Kot Lalu – 1926 Pakistan – EL6 - $400

2.466 gram – Veramin – 1880 Iran – Meso - $300

2.901 gram – Khairpur – 1873 Pakistan -   EL6 - $300

2.90 gram – Bishopville – 1843 South Carolina – Aubrite - $1200

0.706 gram – Chervony Kut – 1939 Ukraine – Euc - $400

1.04 gram – Malvern – 1933 South Africa – Euc - $500

0.206 gram – Mukundpura – 2017 India – CM2 - $250

0.44 gram – Mukundpura – 2017 India – CM2 - $450

0.122 gram – Nawapali – 1890 India – CM2 - $280

0.214 gram – Piplia Kalan – 1996 India – Euc - $225

0.236 gram – Shalka – 1850 India – Diogenite - $75

0.380 gram – Santa Cruz – 1939 Mexico – CM2 - $500TKW 60 grams!

2.13 gram – Efremovka – 1962 Kazakhstan – CV3 -$200

0.990 gram – Yurtuk – 1936 Ukraine – Howardite - $300

2.74 gram – Tatahouine – 1931 Tunisia – Diogenite - $50

3.51 gram – Smara – 2000 Western Sahara – Euc - $100

2.06 gram – Hassi Jekna – 1890 Algeria – Iron - $250

0.50 gram – Ouzina – 1999 Morocco – R4 - $150

0.66 gram – Bali – 1907 Central African Rep - CV3 - $300

3.01 gram – Bereba – 1924 Burkina Faso – Euc - $450

1.10 gram – Agoult – 2000 Morocco – Euc - $200

1.119 gram – Tissint – 2011 Morocco – Martian Shergottite - $600

2.922 gram – Carancas – 2007 Peru – H4-5 - $300

1.20 gram – Ceniceros – 1988 Mexico – L3.7 - $250

0.020 gram – Nogoya – 1879 Argentina – CM2 - $50

22.5 gram -  Stalldalen -  1876 fall, Sweden (H5) $800

5.3 gram - Serra Pelada -  2017 fall, Brazil (Eucrite) $400

.90 gram -  Ibbenburen  - 1870 fall – Germany (Diogenite) $900

8.36 gram – La Criola – 1985 fall – Argentina (L6) $170

1.42 gram – Misshof – 1890 fall – Latvia (H5) $365

0.91 gram – Cherokee Springs – 1933 fall – South Carolina USA (LL6)  $265

2.15 gram – Thika – 2011 fall – Kenya (L6) $120

14.6 gram – Norton County – 1948 fall – Kansas, USA (Aubrite) nice frag $600

0.91 gram – Cherokee Springs – 1933 fall -  South Carolina, USA (LL6)
Slice $280

0.68 gram – Troup – 1917 fall – Texas, USA – (L6) slice $130

2.170 gram – Woolgorong – 1960 fall – Australia (L6) nice slice $200

0.236 gram – Binda – 1912 fall – Australia (Howardite) crusted frag $200

5.266 gram – Wiluna – 1967 fall – Australia (H5) nice slice $150

1.93 gram – Benton – 1949 fall – Canada (LL6) slice $750

6.216 gram – Bruderheim - 1960 fall – Canada (L6) crusted slice $250

4.184 gram – Berduc – 2008 fall – Argentina (L6) nice slice $95

2.7 gram – Berduc – 2008 fall – Argentina (L6) end cut $55

43.2 gram – Berduc – 2008 fall – Argentina (L6) awesome complete stone  $395

0.362 gram  - Kuznetzovo – 1932 fall – Russia (L6) slice $175

0.478 gram – Tarbagatai – Fall – Russia (L5) Slice  $ 500

3.124 gram – Kainsaz – Fall – Russia (CO3) Slice $150

0.256 gram –   Krasnyi- Klyuch   – fall -  Russia (H5) Slice  $200

0.77 gram – Khmelevka  - fall – Russia (L5) Slice $200

0.196 gram – Zavetnoe – 

Re: [meteorite-list] Group hunt Willcox Playa dry lake near Tucson Feb 3rd/5th

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hi folks,

Ok, ok --- most that know me know that most of me lives on this planet, the 
leftover(s) may be "out" there.
So, I propose what Will be a collectable picture. 
Someone with the resourses, time & gumption to:
Take a swamp airboat with a 3X4 foot magnetometer or some variation(s) thereof 
slowly towed behind it. 
In situ pics will most likely be impossible. Bring waders & a fun spirit.
Kinda like going fishing and gettin some snapper, dolphin, grouper etc. and 
after a great fun day fishing you
realize that that cleaned fish cost you 'bout $60 a pound (y'all what know what 
i'm saying). Same thing.

So with waders & a shovel holding a chunk of whatever with a big smile. 
Stupid-yes, do able-yes.
First meteorite recovered from underwater on a dry lake bed? If I had the money 
- i'm in.

I know there's someone out there saying "i'll do it". That picture will be a 
classic.

Well, i've had my fun for today.

John 


- Original Message - 
  From: Gmail via Meteorite-list 
  To: CARL ESPARZA 
  Cc: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list ; Michael Farmer ; Raymond Borges 
  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 7:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Group hunt Willcox Playa dry lake near Tucson 
Feb 3rd/5th


  We just drove through today. Still a lake.


  Mendy Ouzillou

  On Jan 31, 2020, at 3:11 PM, CARL ESPARZA via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:


  The last time I drove by there, it looked like a real lake. I don't know how 
to check that now without driving there. Lots of Cranes hanging out there in 
the water. 
https://tucson.com/news/local/as-many-as-sandhill-cranes-roosting-near-willcox/article_0195a014-702a-5052-9eaf-757989b7dc77.html


  Carl Esparza


On January 31, 2020 at 2:10 PM Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
 wrote: 

Do you know what one inch of rain does in the desert ?  


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 


On Friday, January 31, 2020, 12:08 PM, Raymond Borges 
 wrote:

  I've tracked the precipitation for NOAA since December in Willcox Playa 
and it has been less than 1 inch this month.
  There is currently no rain or snow predicted for Willcox AZ that week 
according to the Weather Channel and weather underground.
  On some sites, they say the probability is 10 to 30% at the highest.


  
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  | Willcox, AZ 10 Day Weather |||| 
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  | 11:52 am MST   |||| 
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  | Print  |||| 
   |  | 
  
++++++--+
 
  | DAY| DESCRIPTION| HIGH / LOW | PRECIP | 
WIND   | HUMIDITY | 
  
++++++--+
 
  | TODAY  | Sunny  | 59°30° | 0% | 
NE 7 mph   | 25%  | 
  
++++++--+
 
  | 31-Jan |||| 
   |  | 
  
++++++--+
 
  | SAT| Sunny  | 63°32° | 0% | 
NE 9 mph   | 35%  | 
  
++++++--+
 
  | 1-Feb  |||| 
   |  | 
  
++++++--+
 
  | SUN| Mostly Sunny   | 69°39° | 0% | 
SSE 11 mph | 33%  | 
  
++++++--+
 
  | 2-Feb  |||| 
   |  | 
  
++++++--+
 
  | MON| Partly Cloudy/Wind | 59°29° | 20%| 
SW 29 mph  | 50%  | 
  
++++++--+
 
  | 3-Feb  |||| 
   |  | 
  
++++++--+
 
  | TUE| Partly Cloudy  | 

[meteorite-list] Paul Swartz -- MPOD

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hello All,

And, another Paul who should be thanked for the dialy MPOD.

And to you Paul Swartz -- 365 Thanks (each year)

My best, John
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Re: [meteorite-list] End-Permian (252 Mya) deforestation, wildfires and flooding (open access paper)

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hello Paul,

For quite some time now, i've been meaning to ask you what you do
for time off relaxation -- well, I think I figured it out

You hunt down studies regarding our planet which many people
may never have considered looking up, as i'm prone to. 

So, I again thank you for forwarding Great informationable studies
to those with an inclined interest.

All best, John

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul via Meteorite-list" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 9:08 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] End-Permian (252 Mya) deforestation, wildfires and 
flooding (open access paper)


Below is a very interesting open access paper.

Vajda, V., McLoughlin, S., Mays, C., Frank, T.D., Fielding, C.R., 
Tevyaw, A.,
Lehsten, V., Bocking, M. and Nicoll, R.S., 2020. End-Permian (252 Mya)
deforestation, wildfires and flooding???An ancient biotic crisis with lessons
for the present. Earth and Planetary Science Letters, 529, p.115875.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012821X19305679

Yours,

Paul H.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Haag Meteorites 2020 my entire collection is for sale 2mm

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Bob, 

Best of luck in your future endeavor(s).

My best, John

  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert Haag via Meteorite-list 
  To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 9:05 AM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Haag Meteorites 2020 my entire collection is for 
sale 2mm


  Hello friends and colleagues.,collectors.researchers and investors.
  I am tapping out.Exit strategy


  Looks like I have a buyer…its in the works now.
  ..just letting you all know 




  NO MORE CUTTING . Sold the diamond wire saw to Marvin Killgore
  Hes gonna need it with Fukang..believe me..


  40 years. Of 100% focus on trying to be the best meteoritefan,er meteoriteman 
I could be. !


  It has to go somewhere  this can be the national collection  of   (.Its that 
good.)
  pick your country..Its got to go.INTACT.


  Its time to get my meteorite collection out of my basement vault house and 
into the world


  Email me if you are serious about this and I will mail a 12 page color 
catalog.
  Its mostly up on Instagram now and will be fully up on my website 
meteorites.com in a few days


  I love 
  you guys. Thank you.
  Bob Haag







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Re: [meteorite-list] Thin Sections

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hello Steve,

Nice to hear from you. I will Always treasure the 30+ thin sections
that I recieved from you. For all others that have not had their eyes
on a meteorite thin section during cross polarization - you Will Not
believe what you are seeing - absolutely beautiful.

The current 3-D work and previous work by Kashuba and Phillips (and 
others--sorry)
is spectacular. But, to see it live only amplifies the beauty of it.

As Steve stated, with some innovation and very little cost it is possible
to get a very good rendition of what they have to offer as eye candy.

John L

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Schoner via Meteorite-list" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2019 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Thin Sections


Tracy,

If you can get those 3D poloroid glasses that are used for modern 3D movies, 
just pop out the plastic poloroids and cross them till 
they turn black. Staple or tape them together.  Place the slide between them 
and any microscope will show amazing details.

Not as good as a quality petrographic microscope, but for one that just wants 
to see some amazing detail in a thin section that 
will do just fine. One can also the two use it with a hand lens.


Steve Schoner
www.petroslides.com
IMCA 4470


Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 02:14:35 +
From: tracy latimer 
To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"

Subject: [meteorite-list] Thin sections
Message-ID:


Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I have a friend who likes to do microphotography; he can produce fascinating 
3-D images.? I've loaned him some of my meteorite 
specimens and he loves taking pictures of the crystal structures, especially if 
there are voids or vugs.? Last time i spoke with 
him, I mentioned thin sections and wondered if he would be interested in trying 
microphotographs of that.? Turns out he is VERY 
intrigued by the prospect.

Now comes the fun part.? I don't usually go in for thin sections, having none 
of the microscopes or polarizing filters to make them 
pop.? Does anyone have one or two they would be willing to part with 
inexpensively so I can let Gary have a crack at them?? They 
don't need to be anything rare or unusual for a first foray; if it turns out he 
likes them, I will have started him on a new bad 
habit :)

Best!
Tracy Latimer

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[meteorite-list] [OT] - Antikythera Mechanism

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hello All,

[OT]--- this amuses me as there are No other topics.

Looking for direction on the most recent information on
the Anitikythera Mechanism. I've followed this 2,000 y/o
device for many years and I am still amazed.

John Lutzon


Or, start a topic that does concern meteorites
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Re: [meteorite-list] Edscottite Found in Meteorite

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Thank you Paul,
Very interesting...
John L

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul via Meteorite-list" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 9:06 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Edscottite Found in Meteorite


Extraterrestrial Mineral Never Before Seen
on Earth Found Inside a Famous Meteorite
By Yasemin Saplakoglu, Live Science
https://www.livescience.com/new-extraterrestrial-mineral-edscottite-meteorite.html

Scientists Confirm The Discovery of a Mineral
Never Before Seen in Nature. Science Alert
https://www.sciencealert.com/mineral-never-seen-in-nature-found-buried-in-heart-of-mysterious-meteorite

This meteorite came from the core of another planet.
Inside it, a new mineral By Liam Mannix, The Age
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/this-meteorite-came-from-the-core-of-another-planet-inside-it-a-new-mineral-20190830-p52mhg.html

The paper is:

Ma, C. and Rubin, A.E., 2019. Edscottite, Fe5C2,
a new iron carbide mineral from the Ni-rich
Wedderburn IAB iron meteorite. American
Mineralogist, 104(9), pp.1351-1355.
https://www.degruyter.com/view/j/ammin.2019.104.issue-9/am-2019-7102/am-2019-7102.xml
https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/msa/ammin/article/104/9/1351/573345/edscottite-fe5c2-a-new-iron-carbide-mineral-from

Yours,

Paul H.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Will Breja ever be classified?

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

- Original Message - 
From: "John Lutzon" 
To: "Anne Black" 
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Will Breja ever be classified?


Hi All,

Mike, Anne -- been asking the same question since 2011. The main ? is Why Not

http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=2639

All best to All, John


- Original Message - 
From: "Anne Black via Meteorite-list" 
To: ; 
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Will Breja ever be classified?


Sorry Mike I don't know about Breja, but that reminded me..

If some of you have pieces of the NDrali meteorite, a very pretty one with melt 
veins, and wonder why it has not been classified, 
it has been, but under an other name: BARDAI. And it is an H3-5.

And yes of course, I have it, and I will soon have a few thin-sections.
Just so you know!

Anne Black
IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com




-Original Message-
From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list 

To: Meteorite List 
Sent: Sun, Sep 15, 2019 12:55 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Will Breja ever be classified?


Re : the so-called "Breja" fall of May 01, 2010 in Morocco.



I recall that a good bit of material from this fall appeared on the

market for a period of time after the fall, then it got forgotten as

newer and more interesting material surfaced later. It was a fresh OC

with a battleship-grey matrix with sparse metal fleck and shock

veining. Specimens had velvetly black crust.



A couple of years after the fall, I inquired about it to a few dealers

and somebody told me that a scientist at a leading institution said

that Breja would not be classified because it originated from Algeria

and there were legal/ethical issues surrounding it. I don't recall who

exactly said this and I think it was in a private email discussion.



Well, several more years have gone by, and I still wonder about this

old fall when I update my "Recent Falls" meteorite page. And it occurs

to me that there have been many new finds approved in the Met Bull

that come out of Algeria - it doesn't seem to be an issue recently. In

fact, the latest Met Bull update contains three different meteorites

out of Algeria.



So, is Breja not being classified because nobody is trying (nobody has

submitted a sample) or is it because no reputable institution will

touch it? And if the latter, then why not?



Best regards,



MikeG





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Re: [meteorite-list] Richardton Meteorite June 30th 1918

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hello Steve,

Yes, very nice to see you posting again. All Best!

John Lutzon

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Tettenborn via Meteorite-list" 
To: "Steve Schoner" 
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Richardton Meteorite June 30th 1918


Steve,

Welcome back!  Glad you are still involved.   Has it been since 2003?  If I 
remember correctly it was a spider bite that sidelined 
you.

Cheers,

Mike Tettenborn

> On Jun 8, 2019, at 10:04 AM, Steve Schoner via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
>
> The Rickardton Meteorite fall of June 30th, 1918
>
>  The Richardton Meteorite of North Dakota fell at 9:48 PM, and I wonder if 
> this fall could be related to the Beta Taurid meteor 
> shower, thought to be the source for the Tunguska event of June 30th 1908.  
> The Beta  Taurids are a daylight meteor shower 
> starting at sunrise here in the United States, lasting throughout the day and 
> then below the horizon at the end of the day. 
> Though improbable, could it be that the Richardton Meteorite is a member of 
> the Beta Taurid meteor stream?
>
>  Trajectory data on the Richardton meteorite could be telling if it came from 
> the south west direction.  And I have yet to find 
> any observers that stated the direction from which it came.
>
>  The Richardon meteorite, of which I have samples is very friable and even 
> though it fell a hundred and one years ago, it is the 
> subject of much study even today as it has isotopes that relate to having 
> been close to the Sun, such as what one would expect of 
> the parent body of the Beta Taurids Comet Encke.  At the end of this 
> month Earth will be in the Encke Beta Taurid meteor 
> stream and astronomers will be studying it to determine if it has masses 
> large enough to create a Tunguska event.  And if so, 
> there certainly will be smaller masses that could produce meteorites such as 
> Richardton which fell on June 30th 1918.  In fact 
> any meteorite that fell on or around June 30th coming from the south west 
> direction should be further examined to see if they 
> have isotopic properties that one would expect having been close to the Sun.
>
> BTW:
> I have not been on the meteoritelist in some time...In fact many years since 
> I became disabled in 2003, which pretty much 
> eliminated me from hunting meteorites.  So, currently I am involved in making 
> petrographic slides, mostly of meteorites 
> (Petroslides.com).  If anyone on this list wishes to have thin sections made 
> contact me at: s_scho...@msn.com .
>
> I would like to transition from this antiquated mybluelight e-mail to my 
> petroslides e-mail at the above e-mail address.
>
> Steve Schoner
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[meteorite-list] Open-mindedness vs closed negative thinking

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Sorry All,

Dear - you know who you are {(E.P.)}  who said that!

Most of everything in the universe is linked to positive
and negative conditions/consequences.
At 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc., etc. blush of reading your reviews
of well intended posts to this list---it now is apparent
to me that you were short changed when things were
being handed out and ultimately you wound up with
just the Negative polarity.

Anonymous, {[John Lutzon]}- who said that...
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Re: [meteorite-list] 15? New Falls in the year 2018 - an apparent bombardment

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hi Mike,

Sorry I did not mention You. You were the One that
this discussion to mind.

John
- Original Message - 
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 
To: "John Lutzon" 
Cc: "Marcin Cimala - POLANDMET" ; 

Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 15? New Falls in the year 2018 - an apparent 
bombardment


Hi Al, Marcin, John, and List,

Thank you Marcin for reminding me about the Libya fall. That inflates
2018's total to 16.

Increased awareness of meteorites, more widespread camera usage, more
sophisticated sky-camera technology, and better collection/analysis of
data seems to have improved the overall recovery rate in the last
handful of years. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in
the long term.

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On 4/28/19, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> As Mr. Mitorling posted, Our analyses for such a determination of meteorite
> falls, findings, observed falls
> does not (at this time) have a sufficient Control to "adequately" state what
> may be happening with meteorites
> that strike this planet.
>
> We, on this planet, judge observations/weather etc. in 100's of
> yearsnature and the cosmo's have a time frame of
> thousands and/or millions of years. You are correct Marcin---the last couple
> of years Have been plentiful.
> We're getting better. Lets hope we see/find the Big one before it's too
> late.
>
> Oh No said Henny-penny: The sky is falling.
>
> {:>))
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marcin Cimala - POLANDMET via Meteorite-list"
> 
> To: "Meteorite List" 
> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 6:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 15? New Falls in the year 2018 - an apparent
> bombardment
>
>
> Remember Libya
>
>> Jan 16, 2018 - Hamburg (H4 chondrite) : Michigan USA
>> Feb 16, 2018 - Ablaketka (H5 chondrite) : Kazakhstan
>> Mar 07, 2018 - "Grays Harbor" (unofficial) (unknown type) : Pacific
>> Ocean (Washington coast, USA)
>> Apr 19, 2018 - Aba Panu (L3-6 chondrite) : Nigeria
>> Jun 01, 2018 - Mangui (L6 chondrite) : China (Hammer)
>> Jun 02, 2018 - "Central Kalahari" (unofficial) (unknown type) : Botswana
>> Jun 21, 2018 - Ozerki (L6 chondrite) : Russia
>> Jul 10, 2018 - Renchen (L5-6 chondrite) : Germany
>> Jul 27, 2018 - "Glendale" (unofficial) (ordinary chondrite?) : Arizona
>> USA
>> July 27, 2018 - Benenitra (L6 chondrite) : Madagascar
>> Aug 12-17?, 2018 - "Bhakkar" (unofficial) (ordinary chondrite?) :
>> Pakistan
>> Aug 21, 2018 - Gueltat Zemmour (L4 chondrite) : Morocco
>
> Aug 26, 2018 - Libya L6 Chondrite
>
>> Sep 26, 2018 - Komaki (L6 chondrite) : Japan (Hammer)
>> Oct 28, 2018 - Ksar El Goraane (H5 chondrite) : Morocco
>> Dec 28, 2018 - Mhabes el Hamra (H4/5 chondrite) : Mauritania
>>
>> 21st Century Falls - http://galactic-stone.com/pages/falls
>>
>
> -[ MARCIN CIMALA ][ +48 793567667 ]-
> http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
> http://www.PolandMET.com   marcin(at)polandmet.com
> [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]
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Re: [meteorite-list] 15? New Falls in the year 2018 - an apparent bombardment

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hi All,

As Mr. Mitorling posted, Our analyses for such a determination of meteorite 
falls, findings, observed falls
does not (at this time) have a sufficient Control to "adequately" state what 
may be happening with meteorites
that strike this planet.

We, on this planet, judge observations/weather etc. in 100's of yearsnature 
and the cosmo's have a time frame of
thousands and/or millions of years. You are correct Marcin---the last couple of 
years Have been plentiful.
We're getting better. Lets hope we see/find the Big one before it's too late.

Oh No said Henny-penny: The sky is falling.

{:>))

 



  

- Original Message - 
From: "Marcin Cimala - POLANDMET via Meteorite-list" 

To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 15? New Falls in the year 2018 - an apparent 
bombardment


Remember Libya

> Jan 16, 2018 - Hamburg (H4 chondrite) : Michigan USA
> Feb 16, 2018 - Ablaketka (H5 chondrite) : Kazakhstan
> Mar 07, 2018 - "Grays Harbor" (unofficial) (unknown type) : Pacific
> Ocean (Washington coast, USA)
> Apr 19, 2018 - Aba Panu (L3-6 chondrite) : Nigeria
> Jun 01, 2018 - Mangui (L6 chondrite) : China (Hammer)
> Jun 02, 2018 - "Central Kalahari" (unofficial) (unknown type) : Botswana
> Jun 21, 2018 - Ozerki (L6 chondrite) : Russia
> Jul 10, 2018 - Renchen (L5-6 chondrite) : Germany
> Jul 27, 2018 - "Glendale" (unofficial) (ordinary chondrite?) : Arizona USA
> July 27, 2018 - Benenitra (L6 chondrite) : Madagascar
> Aug 12-17?, 2018 - "Bhakkar" (unofficial) (ordinary chondrite?) : Pakistan
> Aug 21, 2018 - Gueltat Zemmour (L4 chondrite) : Morocco

Aug 26, 2018 - Libya L6 Chondrite

> Sep 26, 2018 - Komaki (L6 chondrite) : Japan (Hammer)
> Oct 28, 2018 - Ksar El Goraane (H5 chondrite) : Morocco
> Dec 28, 2018 - Mhabes el Hamra (H4/5 chondrite) : Mauritania
>
> 21st Century Falls - http://galactic-stone.com/pages/falls
>

-[ MARCIN CIMALA ][ +48 793567667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com   marcin(at)polandmet.com
[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]



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Re: [meteorite-list] Benenitra meteorite fall is now official

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

And again, thanks Mike. You may be the cause of my laziness.

- Original Message - 
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list" 

To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 3:49 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Benenitra meteorite fall is now official


The Benenitra meteorite fall is now official.


23°26.786’S, 45°4.692’E

Toliara, Madagascar

Confirmed fall: 27 July 2018

Classification: Ordinary chondrite (L6)

History: Reports of a meteor that detonated in a loud explosion, and
stones falling from the sky into the town of Benenitra (pop. ~30,000)
on the evening of July 27, 2018, were received by a visiting
geologist, Timothy Marais, on July 30, 2018. He was shown photographs
and several small fragments, two of which he purchased, weighing 99
and 14 g. Roger Gibson and Lewis Ashwal in the School of Geosciences
at the University of the Witwatersrand confirmed a meteorite origin
for these specimens using petrographic analysis and EMPA. Confirmation
of the date and time of the fall was obtained independently when an
upper atmosphere infrasound event was identified on a bearing
south-southwest of the CTBTO station IS33 near Antananarivo,
Madagascar, at 17h16 GMT on July 27 by Dr. Andry Ramanantsoa
(Laboratory of Seismology and Infrasound, University of Antananrivo).
A weak ground tremor at approximately 17h17 GMT was identified in the
data from the seismograph at the Sakaraha (SKRH) station approximately
80 km northwest of Benenitra by Dr Ranto Raveloson (Wits), and was
interpreted to be related to the airburst. Magnetic susceptibility
measurements were performed by Prof. Susan Webb (Wits).

Physical characteristics: Two broken fragments containing small
remnants of bluish-black to brown-black fusion crust and weighing 14 g
and 82 g (after thin sectioning) consist of a light-gray matrix with
disseminated metal (<1 mm) and some visible chondrules (<5 mm). The
edge of the larger fragment, which contains a thin (<0.5 mm),
dark-gray melt vein, was sectioned. Photographs taken by local
residents show more than a dozen other fragments ranging in mass from
~100-1000 g; these show mostly intact fusion crusts with only limited
chipping of edges. Samples range from subangular to subrounded to
disc-shaped, with both sharp and rounded edges. Fusion crusts on these
samples are generally smooth, with a few shallow regmaglypts.

Petrography: (L.D. Ashwal and R.L. Gibson, Wits) Modal abundances: 50%
olivine, 25% low-Ca pyroxene, 5% high-Ca pyroxene, 10% feldspar, 7%
troilite, 2% kamacite, 1% taenite, and trace amounts of chromite and a
silica-rich phase. Recognizable chondrules range in size between 1 and
4.5 mm in diameter, and include porphyritic olivine and/or pyroxene,
barred olivine, radial pyroxene and cryptocrystalline types, although
their original textures have been variably modified by secondary
thermal effects. Feldspar is almost entirely crystalline, and occurs
as irregular grains up to 100 μm across, many of which display
twinning. Pyroxenes are untwinned, and most grains exhibit straight
extinction, although minor undulatory extinction is present in some
grains. Low-Ca pyroxene shows parallel extinction with respect to
cleavage traces. High-Ca pyroxene occurs as irregular grains up to 20
μm across; exsolution lamellae were observed in a few grains. Shock
features include planar and irregular fractures in olivine, undulatory
extinction in feldspar and pyroxenes, and anastomosing opaque shock
veins up to 75 μm thick.

Geochemistry: Mineral compositions: (L.D. Ashwal and A. Ziegler)
Olivine (Fa24.0±0.8), low-Ca pyroxene (Fs20.4±0.9Wo1.4±0.4), high-Ca
pyroxene (Fs8.0± 0.8Wo42.4±1.0), feldspar
(Ab79.1±3.1An13.3±1.9Or7.6±1.5), troilite (Fe = 63.3±0.2, S =
36.5±0.3), kamacite (Ni = 5.7±0.7; Co = 0.85±0.05), taenite (Ni =
27.8±1.0).

Classification: Ordinary chondrite (L6), Shock level S3, Weathering level W0.

Specimens: 82 g (R.L. Gibson, Wits), 25.8 g at TCU (donated by Rob
Wesel), reports of one or more pieces with masses of up to 15 kg are
unconfirmed.

Link - https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=69345

All 21st Century Witnessed Falls - http://galactic-stone.com/pages/falls

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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : Major Update, Many New Achondrites, Vinales Cuba Fall is Official.

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Always, Thanks Mike for your updates

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From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list" 

To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 9:24 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : Major Update, Many New 
Achondrites, Vinales Cuba Fall is Official.


Hi Friends and Listees,

There was a major Meteoritical Bulletin update today.

The recent Vinales Cuba meteorite fall has been approved :
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=69213

There are a total of 35 new approvals today, including planetaries and
achondrites : 
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=%2A=names=contains=50=ge==All=name=All=All7=Normal%20table==0

Note, I have small micromounts of the Vinales Cuba fall available at -
https://galactic-stone.com/new-vinales-meteorite-fall-feb-01-2019-micromount/

List of all Witnessed Falls since the year 2000 :
https://galactic-stone.com/pages/falls

Best regards and happy huntings,

MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] Viñales meteorite fall report

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hi Mike,

Reads like you need to find a more interesting line of interests. Boring, 
boring...{:-))   

Great, Great rendition of a meteorite fall and eyes on the ground. 

My personal Best, John 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
  To: Meteorite Mailing List 
  Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 6:07 PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Viñales meteorite fall report





  I just spent a week in Viñales.

  The stories about the fall are incredible. 

  I’d like to share a few things regarding the fall.




  I speak fluent Spanish so getting the information was easy.




  One farmer was in his yard feeding chickens when he saw the bright flash for 
a couple of seconds he said brighter than the sun. Hard to see because the sun 
was also in the same direction.  It then he saw the smoke trail overhead 
expanding once it passed over. A couple minutes later the sonic booms and 
shockwave hit. he said it was like being punched. Then a minute or more after 
the shockwave hit, stones started falling all around him. 

  He heard individual pieces screaming in making whistling sounds and hitting 
the ground. One hit his garden about 50 feet away.  Another landed in the pond 
about 100 feet away, making a large water splash. Another hit in the coffee 
plants behind his house. He said stones were falling for over a minute or two. 
Hitting at different times. They didn’t all come down at once. 

  He and his family found 4 near his house. One he heard hit in thick brush and 
it hasn’t yet been found. One hit a yucca plant nearly Cutting the trunk in 
half. He found that stone 5 days later embedded in the soil at the base of the 
plant.




  His wife found another across the street of almost 1 kilogram. It was 
embedded in the soil and only the top surface was showing.




  One boy on a bicycle was riding home rapidly afraid from the explosions. He 
thought it was an American missile attack. A large 250 gram meteorite slammed 
into the asphalt road in front of him nearly hitting him. He saw it bounce into 
the ditch and he jumped off the bike and grabbed it, rapidly throwing it down 
because the stone was painfully cold.




  Another stone landed on the patio of the guesthouse Where I stayed in 
downtown Viñales town.

  I spoke to three other people who saw stones hit the ground and picked the up 
instantly, all said same thing, that they had to drop them because they were so 
cold.




  One stone penetrated a house roof in Viñales and smashed a laptop computer. I 
have not located the stone or computer to confirm. Possible the police 
confiscated it. I have people working on it. I know of at least 15 houses hit. 
All stones taken by the government. 




  I drove all over the Viñales Valley area, a massive area and no part was 
spared meteorites. They were everywhere. Heavily scattered and not well sorted.

  10 gram stones fell a few feet from 2.5 kilogram stones. 50 gram, 500 gram. 
All same place.




  Miles away in the town of La Majagua, thousands of small peas landed. Sadly 
few were collected. The area is dense jungle and forest. Some people reported 
picking up over 100 stones in a short time. Many thrown away or given to the 
government. People came from far away and took pieces. Miles up the road to the 
east is the El Salto lake. Many stones were found on the dam. It has been 
heavily searched and I spent a few hours there and didn’t find any. Some people 
reported going into the pine forest nearby and finding many small stones on the 
pine needles on the ground. 

  Sadly a massive heavy rain came last week only a couple days before my 
arrival washing away the roads and making finds much more difficult. With 
limited time I didn’t make any finds.




  Most stones that landed in the soft farm soil penetrated in and vanished 
under the soil. Before the rain people could see the impact holes and locate 
the stone below. Now after the rain they are impossible to locate. Stones are 
still being found in grassy pastures and fields. But ticks are a problem. 
Within moments of entering the grass you will be covered in tiny ticks. I’m 
still looking for them.




  Stones are reported as falling in Pilotos village as well. This is due to the 
high winds that curved the strewn field sharply to the east. Doubtless millions 
of stones fell. The energy was 1.5 kiloton and the mass was 350~ tons. If 99 % 
vaporized there would still be 3 tons on the ground.

  The problem is that the main part of the strewn field with larger pieces is 
all jungle, mountains and dense tropical forest. Not much chance of many large 
ones being recovered, and the largest masses made it to the ocean. 




  Hard to estimate what’s been recovered. I’d put it at 30-50 kilograms or more.




  I have a limited number of complete crusted stones from 10 grams up yo about 
50 grams. I was able to decide what to purchase so I only took the best pieces. 
Money is severely limited in Cuba due to no 

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite impact on moon during eclipse

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hi All,

Regarding Tracy's post--in a full Blood moon, an impact was observeable--
Good call Tracy...which may not have been seen on a "brighter" moon.

So, are there Any Moon observations that are being performed with different
filters. I believe impacts are occuring more often than we (see) know. ??

Does anyone have a guesstimate on the speed/size/origin/crater size
of this particular impact?

Nite, John


- Original Message - 
From: "tracy latimer via Meteorite-list" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 11:19 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite impact on moon during eclipse


We watched the lunar eclipse Sunday night, although in mid-Pacific we were only 
able to see it from totality on. As the Moon 
started to reemerge from shadow, one of our friends said, "Does anyone else see 
that reddish light on the moon by the terminator?" 
Squinting, we just caught the end of a very brief flare. I was hoping and 
wondering if we had spotted an impact, and lo!

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2191526-a-meteorite-hit-the-moon-during-yesterdays-total-lunar-eclipse/
A meteorite hit the moon during yesterday’s total lunar eclipse
Observers of yesterday’s lunar eclipse were blessed with the first known 
sighting of a meteorite impact during such an event. The 
so-called “super wolf blood moon” was eagerly watched by ...
www.newscientist.com

Another of our friends online caught the impact on video:
"At 1:23:04 you can see an 
impact flash occur on the moon at about the 8 
o'clock position near the edge! This matches with a variety of other videos of 
the eclipse which caught the same event. " ~~ 
Astromut

I was very lucky!

Best!
Tracy Latimer
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[meteorite-list] OT: Cloud formation

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hello All,

Did anyone happen to see or photograph a certain cloud formation over
south Florida around 6-7pm on Sun-20th. It was a continuous band about
5 degrees wide and spanned horizon to horizon from SW to NE at about
30 degrees? If so, please contact me hopefully with pic. Absolutely Amazing!

My best, John
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Re: [meteorite-list] The "Doorstop Meteorite" from Michigan has been classified as "Edmore"

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hi Mike,
Thanks once again. I'll assume Luc and Graham are
happy with your post as well.
John

- Original Message - 
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list" 

To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2019 11:07 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] The "Doorstop Meteorite" from Michigan has been 
classified as "Edmore"


Hi List,

Some of you likely recall a suspected meteorite that hit the news
recently. It was being used as a doorstop on a farm in Michigan and
the owner/media was attaching some astronomical values to it. Well, it
was finally classified as "Edmore" and it is indeed a legit iron
meteorite.

There were also several approvals today in the bulletin, including a
Labenne find from Chile (a pallasite) and some of Graham Ensor's OC's.

Edmore Met Bull link - https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=68667

Met Bull update link -
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=%2A=names=contains=50=ge==All=name=All=All7=Normal%20table==0

The 21st Century Witnessed Falls page has been updated -
https://galactic-stone.com/pages/falls

Best regards and Happy Huntings,

MikeG

PS - new Clearance Page deals (already marked down 10-30%, use the
"metlist" coupon code for total savings of 30-50% OFF -
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Re: [meteorite-list] National Geographic Explorer

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Very nice Mike, thoroughly enjoyed the whole show.
And, of course the Earth is flat--duh

John Lutzon
  - Original Message - 
  From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
  To: Mitch Noda 
  Cc: Meteorite Mailing List 
  Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2018 10:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] National Geographic Explorer


  Just note that the one hour show has 2-4 segments. I think mine is the last 
segment. Title is Space Race. 
  https://www.google.com/search?q=national%20geographic%20explorer


  Michael Farmer

  On Dec 9, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Mitch Noda  wrote:


Congratulations, Mike!


I will certainly watch it.


Happy Holidays to you and your family!


Warmest regards,


Mitch


On ‎Sunday‎, ‎December‎ ‎9‎, ‎2018‎ ‎06‎:‎59‎:‎33‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Michael 
Farmer via Meteorite-list  wrote: 






I want everyone to know that National Geographic Explorer airs tomorrow. 
Episode is about me and meteorites in Morocco. Filmed

Last October. One year in the making. Many of our Moroccan friends will be 
featured. 



Show : National Geographic Explorer. 

Airs  Monday Dec 10 tomorrow. 

Michael Farmer





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[meteorite-list] NWA -4522 question

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Can someone help me on this one- NWA-4522
I call him wormy guy--I believe I took these pics
at 800X--- I Never did find him again.
Either Met-Bull or EoM. 
http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=2639

What/how is/did this worm form...
The only thing I remember is that the "eyes"
never changed throughout the 360 degree
Xpol rotation. Everything else did - but not the
eyes nor mouth?

This may be a question that I should know the answer.
So, New Members never be ashamed to ask
a question.

Tell me about Wormy Guy.

John Lutzon





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[meteorite-list] Question--NWA-2798

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hello All,


Someone just asked me about one of my pictures on the Met-bul
& EoMregarding NWA 2798

Is the large condrule in my particular pic Completely Armored?.
I don't have mine in front of me -- is there anyone who may answer
this question?

NWA 2798 is absolutely beautiful...

Regards, John 

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Re: [meteorite-list] HUGE meteorite in France

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

This is outstanding news Anne !!
  Exceptionnel-- !!
Great work by the whole crew
and land owners.

- Original Message - 
From: "Anne Black via Meteorite-list" 
To: ; 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 3:40 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] HUGE meteorite in France


Hello,

A huge iron meteorite has been found in France. 477 kilos. And 55 000 years old.
It is the St Aubin and now it is the largest meteorite ever found in France, 
even bigger than Mon Dieu and La Caille.
And the strewn field has also been figured out.

Here, on behalf of Marc Chapelet who handles the Meteorites Division, are all 
the details (in English, below the French version) 
published by the Societe Astronomique de France, so it is a serious report. 
(not a journalistic fantasy).

https://saf-astronomie.fr/decouverte_de_la_plus_grosse_meteorite_francaise/

Enjoy!

More questions let me know, and I'll translate.

Anne Black
IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] Food for Thought

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

 With the best of my seven microscopes I did find remnants of a sesame seed 
in the bun--resulting in the following results...

The root contains appreciable levels of 
moisture (6.60 ± 4.39%), crude fibre (12.80 ± 8.53%) and total carbohydrate 
(67.90 ± 45.26%), whereas the whole plant, seeds and the 
leaves had the lowest moisture (4.22 ± 2.81%), crude fibre (6.60 ± 4.39%), and 
total carbohydrate (56.37 ± 37.59%). The protein content 
was highest (21.44 ± 14.29%) in the whole plant, followed by leaves (19.25 
±12.83%) but was lowest in the root (7.88 ± 5.25%). The 
various parts of the plant showed noticeable amount of ash content 
(9.62-4.82%), as well as lipids (38.54-4.54%). The seed exhibited 
highest value of food energy (662.30 ± 441.53%) and lipid (38.54 ± 25.69%). S. 
indicum was found to be a good source of calcium and 
potassium in various parts investigated. The percentage flavonoids, alkaloids 
and tannins of the samples were between the range of 16.20-
4.80, 10.04-1.96 and 3.32-1.18%, respectively.

 Their microwave may be out of specifications...





  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Fiedler via Meteorite-list 
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 2:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Food for Thought


  Bet it's extra crispy.

  Original Message-
  From: Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list 
  To: meteorite-list 
  Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2018 6:39 pm
  Subject: [meteorite-list] food for thought KFC meteorite

  This is so Beautiful 
  I can't wait to hear what you all think of it?

  https://bgr.com/2017/07/13/kfc-meteorite-zinger/

  Paul Gessler



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[meteorite-list] Pictures of thieves

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

And, so where are the pictures of Blaine's
meteorite thieves?

John
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Re: [meteorite-list] Was [IMCA List] Campaign ... NOW WTF???...((((rolling eyes)))))

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Elton,

Not sure what you mean by "Why do so many IMCA members insist on cross posting 
IMCA business on the Meteorite Central list".
In my 10 years I remember maybe? 3 times this has occured. It was Not/or ever 
intentionally done. So calm down before your eye 
socket
bearings burn up. Or lube them up with your faviorite beverage.



- Original Message - 
From: "MEM via Meteorite-list" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Was [IMCA List] Campaign ... NOW 
WTF???...rolling eyes)


I am rolling my eyes so hard I may have to go to the emergency room...IMCA 
content again and again AND again on a public list. You 
haven't learned to keep IMCA business private in 10 years-- never will-- so 
face the consequences-- it speaks for IMCA reputation 
in ways you never considered.  You wonder why IMCA membership is stagnant and 
lethargic (rolling eyes ouch.  Why do so many 
IMCA members insist on cross posting IMCA business on the Meteorite Central 
list--Especially knowing that the met-list has 
friends of Mr. Curry here?



There were some of us so disenfranchised with the IMCA past pettiness that they 
unsubscribed to their list. For those, please STOP 
bringing IMCA business here.  If you do have an irresistible urge to keep 
cross-posting after this--just info/CC Steve Curry 
directly,also freely use "Meteorite Noise-list@yahoo", Facebook, Twitter, 
Snapchat,etc.-- All especially good for eroding 
confidence and feeding the trolls.


Elton
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Campaign 2018

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hi All,
I agree as well Carlos. For 10 years iv'e seen the IMCA go
from quiet to non-existent. Someone needs to light the
fuse. If I were 15 years younger I would find a way to have
the IMCA site on the local/national news channel once a month.
Some people say it's do to FB--fine, do it--have your party--But someone/
somehow needs to figure the "algorithm" to get this Organization
into the main stream. I'm beginning to believe that some/most
members are content with just paying their annual dues to state that
they're a member of the IMCA. Hmmm?$$   B.S

I know that many members are doing Much work towards educating
others about meteoritic subjects. Great, lets hear about it and why not
call a local news organization about it -- they might pick it up.

We claim to be a International Meteorite Collectors Association--
yet our Home site is non-existent for 350 days of each year.
SOMEONE fix this.

John Lutzon
IMCA#1896

- Original Message - 
From: "John Cabassi via IMCA" 
To: "William O'hara" 
Cc: "IMCA-List" 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [IMCA List] Campaign 2018


G'Day Members
I agree with Bill.  Carlos has posted up an important issue that should be
addressed so that everyone has access to upcoming events. This definitely
would be helpful for those wishing to attend such events.

Thanks Carlos for bringing that up

Cheers
John Cabassi
IMCA #2125

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 7:05 PM, William O'hara via IMCA 
wrote:

> Hi Carlos!
> Welcome to IMCA!
>
> Thanks for making the suggestion!  I think it is a good one.  It would not
> be a difficult task for someone to commit to to doing possibly on a monthly
> basis.  Perhaps we could have a volunteer for each region or continent
> remind the community of upcoming shows that could provide opportunities for
> in-person interaction, just as Ann had suggested for me.
>
> Keep the ideas coming!
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018, 15:16 Carlos Muñecas Muñoz 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello all of you
> >
> > I am IMCA member just from a few days, I am from Spain and about business
> > matters I am in NY.
> >
> > I just read Anne mail about Denver mineral show, I would like to propose,
> > if it is possible, IMCA send fairs information. I didn’t know nothing
> about
> > Denver fair, but sure, if I had known before, I would have gone.
> >
> > It is only a recommendation
> >
> > Thank you and Best Regards
> >
> > Carlos Muñecas
> > I.M.C.A. #8187
> >
> > Carlos Muñecas
> > Un saludo
> >
> > Enviado desde mi iPhone
> >
> > > El 16 sept 2018, a las 12:27, Anne Black via IMCA 
> > escribió:
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > Since you are right here near Denver, why don't you come down to the
> > Mineral Show at the Denver Mart today, it is the last day of the Show but
> > you could still meet a few people.
> > >
> > > And I'd like to meet you too.
> > >
> > >
> > > Anne Black - Past President.
> > > IMPACTIKA.com
> > > impact...@aol.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: William O'hara via IMCA 
> > > To: IMCA-List 
> > > Sent: Sun, Sep 16, 2018 2:19 am
> > > Subject: [IMCA List] (no subject)
> > >
> > > Hello IMCA!
> > >
> > >
> > > My name is Bill O'Hara and I am running for a position on the IMCA
> board
> > of
> > > directors.
> > >
> > > I would like to introduce myself and provide some background.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > While I was listed as a living in Texas, I recently moved to Colorado
> to
> > > accept a position at the Sierra Nevada Corporation as a Principal
> > Engineer.
> > > Before I moved to Colorado I work at NASA's Johnson Space Center for
> > twenty
> > > years.  My specialty is human spaceflight habitats and systems.  I was
> a
> > > crew instructor and flight controller for the International Space
> Station
> > > in my early years before moving to advanced development work on the
> Orion
> > > spacecraft program for Lockheed Martin, and now work in SNC'S advanced
> > > development group.   I have a B.S. in Aerospace Engineering and an M.S.
> > in
> > > Geophysics.  I have four kids, including a four year old that is crazy
> > > about rocks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Meteorites are a hobby of mine.  I have purchased meteorites through a
> > > number of IMCA members and developed a sizable collection. This hobby
> > > allows me to apply my interest in geology and geophysics which I don't
> > get
> > > to use in my regular day job.  While I haven't had the opportunity to
> > > publish articles on meteorites, I did create a series of blog posts
> which
> > > you can read here: Part 1
> > > <
> > https://timeandspaceweb.wordpress.com/2016/07/16/meteoritical-me-part-1-
> beginnings/
> > >,
> > > Part 2
> > > <
> > https://timeandspaceweb.wordpress.com/2016/07/30/meteoritical-me-part-2-
> favorites/
> > >
> > > and Part 3
> > > <
> > https://timeandspaceweb.wordpress.com/2016/10/09/meteoritical-me-part-3-
> collecting/
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am excited to run for a director 

[meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Best regards List,

This thread teeters on several ideals.

The purest meteoritic may want to see Every
meteorite given to a museum or scientist to do the
same. I Agree. [Study and Preserve]

Finders, hunters, camel jockeys, girls in wheelchairs,
anyone who is lucky enough to make a Find--Kudos to you.
You will do what you wish with found meteorites.

Finders love what they're doing, dealers love it even more
and collectors love what they have (as I do).

But when someone tells me that They can "transform" a
4 Billion year old object into something that is now saleable
and if anyone disagrees with the shape or presentation it is
objectionable. I Disagree

To me it is clear- if you're going to whore it out- don't complain
if someone presents a meteorite it in a different way.

I think that Skull is an Eternal piece of art.
Hopfully it will find its way into a museum.

John Lutzon   
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Re: [meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Anne,
Quoted
" I accept that meteorites have to be cut to study the matrix, and re-cut so 
more experts can study it, and cut even smaller in 
thin-sections to be studied some more. And I accept that pieces go to 
collectors for safe keeping and preservation."

Okay I agree, so for study , safe keeping and preservation---why is everyone 
cutting them up and selling them as a profit maker?
Oh, and you have to cut it our way
- Original Message - 
From: "Anne Black" 
To: ; 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite


John,
I accept that meteorites have to be cut to study the matrix, and re-cut so more 
experts can study it, and cut even smaller in 
thin-sections to be studied some more. And I accept that pieces go to 
collectors for safe keeping and preservation. But I don’t 
like meteorites being sliced and diced and minced into tiny crumbs that are not 
even recognizable.
As for spheres, skulls, rings, ……and over knick-knacks, No. It is adding insult 
to injury.

Anne Black
IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com



-Original Message-----
From: John Lutzon via Meteorite-list 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2018 7:58 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite

What does this mean?-- "personally would prefer a good sculpted, well sized 
Gibeon individual in as found condition. Together with 
an etched endcut"So it is okay to have an individual of a meteorite and Slice 
into it for Your etched endcut. Think about it, ya'll 
are agreeing to to Cut it Your way--but noother. Still confused?- 
Original Message - From: Mattias Bärmann via 
Meteorite-listTo: Deborah Anne Martin ; Meteorite-listSent: Thursday, September 
13, 2018 5:43 PMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Skull 
Carved Out of an Iron MeteoriteLadies and Gentlemen,well, this is of course not 
a work of art. Amazing craftmanship - yes (if it's 
not a product of a 3 D printer, of course ^^)One might call this object 
obsessive, even idiotic. Nevertheless, the shape of the 
skull is a perfect sculpture of itself, and I don't hesitate finding it 
fascinating to follow the Widmanstaetten patterns and their 
transformations through the utmost complexe sculptural landscape of volumes, 
depressions ...I agree, the imagination of the wasted 
material makes depressive.Conclusion? I personally would prefer a good 
sculpted, well sized Gibeon individual in as found 
condition. Together with an etched endcut. (Would absolutely do to keep the pic 
in a virtual poison chest for 
contemplation.)RegardsMatthiasAm 13.09.2018 um 22:55 schrieb Deborah Anne 
Martin via Meteorite-list:So do 
I.AndreFrom: Meteorite-list 
[meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] on behalf of Anne 
Black via Meteorite-list [meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com]Sent: September 
12, 2018 4:18 PMTo: progetto.androm...@gmail.com; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; 
meteorite-list-request@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Skull 
Carved Out of 
an Iron MeteoriteI agree 1000%.Thank youAnne 
blackimpactika.comimpact...@aol.com-Original Message-From: PAOLO CONTE 
via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list 
; 
meteorite-list-request Sent: Wed, 
Sep 12, 2018 1:30 pmSubject: [meteorite-list] Skull 
Carved Out of an Iron MeteoriteAbout:  
https://www.neatorama.com/2018/09/06/Skull-Carved-Out-of-an-Iron-Meteorite/Only 
a mentally 
ill can do such a thing.Paolo ConteIMCA #6037Met. Soc. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

What does this mean?-- "personally would prefer a good sculpted, well sized 
Gibeon individual in as found condition. Together with 
an etched endcut"
So it is okay to have an individual of a meteorite and Slice into it for Your 
etched endcut. Think about it, ya'll are agreeing to 
to Cut it Your way--but no
other. Still confused?

- Original Message - 
From: Mattias Bärmann via Meteorite-list
To: Deborah Anne Martin ; Meteorite-list
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite




Ladies and Gentlemen,
well, this is of course not a work of art. Amazing craftmanship - yes (if it's 
not a product of a 3 D printer, of course ^^)
One might call this object obsessive, even idiotic. Nevertheless, the shape of 
the skull is a perfect sculpture of itself, and I 
don't hesitate finding it fascinating to follow the Widmanstaetten patterns and 
their transformations through the utmost complexe 
sculptural landscape of volumes, depressions ...
I agree, the imagination of the wasted material makes depressive.

Conclusion? I personally would prefer a good sculpted, well sized Gibeon 
individual in as found condition. Together with an etched 
endcut. (Would absolutely do to keep the pic in a virtual poison chest for 
contemplation.)
Regards
Matthias





Am 13.09.2018 um 22:55 schrieb Deborah Anne Martin via Meteorite-list:

So do I.

Andre

From: Meteorite-list [meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] on behalf of 
Anne Black via Meteorite-list 
[meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com]
Sent: September 12, 2018 4:18 PM
To: progetto.androm...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; 
meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite

I agree 1000%.
Thank you

Anne Black
IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


-Original Message-
From: PAOLO CONTE via Meteorite-list 
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite

About:  
https://www.neatorama.com/2018/09/06/Skull-Carved-Out-of-an-Iron-Meteorite/

Only a mentally ill can do such a thing.

Paolo Conte
IMCA #6037
Met. Soc. #6262


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Re: [meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

I really need Someone to explain to me why it is totally
acceptable for someone to cut/slice and/or bathe in acid every meteorite
they can get their hands on (some very rare) and then sell them
at a considerable profit and possibly make a living---but to shape it
into Any other shape is a shame. I hope I spelled Hypocrisy correctly.

Hopefully this skull will wind up in a museum and be preserved for hundreds
if not thousands of years---long after the average collector's specimens
are long gone.

Love ya Anne, John



  - Original Message - 
  From: Anne Black via Meteorite-list 
  To: progetto.androm...@gmail.com ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; 
meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 4:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite


  I agree 1000%.
  Thank you

  Anne Black
  IMPACTIKA.com
  impact...@aol.com



  -Original Message-
  From: PAOLO CONTE via Meteorite-list 
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  Subject: [meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite


  About:  
https://www.neatorama.com/2018/09/06/Skull-Carved-Out-of-an-Iron-Meteorite/ 


  Only a mentally ill can do such a thing. 



  Paolo Conte
  IMCA #6037
  Met. Soc. #6262




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Re: [meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

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  - Original Message - 
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  To: Anne Black ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 8:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite



  I really need Someone to explain to me why it is totally
  acceptable for someone to cut/slice and/or bathe in acid every meteorite
  they can get their hands on (some very rare) and then sell them
  at a considerable profit and possibly make a living---but to shape it
  into Any other shape is a shame. I hope I spelled Hypocrisy correctly.

  Hopefully this skull will wind up in a museum and be preserved for hundreds
  if not thousands of years---long after the average collector's specimens
  are long gone.

  Love ya Anne, John



- Original Message - 
From: Anne Black via Meteorite-list 
To: progetto.androm...@gmail.com ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; 
meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite


I agree 1000%.
Thank you

Anne Black
IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com



-Original Message-
From: PAOLO CONTE via Meteorite-list 
To: meteorite-list ; 
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Sent: Wed, Sep 12, 2018 1:30 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite


About:  
https://www.neatorama.com/2018/09/06/Skull-Carved-Out-of-an-Iron-Meteorite/ 


Only a mentally ill can do such a thing. 



Paolo Conte
IMCA #6037
Met. Soc. #6262




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Re: [meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Maybe this 3rd post will get posted.?

I really need Someone to explain to me why it is totally
acceptable for someone to cut/slice and/or bathe in acid every meteorite
they can get their hands on (some very rare) and then sell them
at a considerable profit and possibly make a living---but to shape it
into Any other shape is a shame. I hope I spelled Hypocrisy correctly.

Hopefully this skull will wind up in a museum and be preserved for hundreds
if not thousands of years---long after the average collector's specimens
are long gone.

Love ya Anne, John
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[meteorite-list] OT: Weather

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

I know, I know

To all on the Eastern seaboard, Hawaii, Texas..etc...
in fact everywhere on this marblebe careful---be safe!

However, may a "small" meteorite hit your house or backyard.

All best.
John
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Re: [meteorite-list] Galileo's "Sidereus Nuncius Martayan and Lan"

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Thanks paul - good get...
And thanks to Nick Wilding!!!
Also, thanks to all ebay watchers
who find the "f''n" scammers.
Kudos to all..
John

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul via Meteorite-list" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 3:44 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Galileo's "Sidereus Nuncius Martayan and Lan"


The story of the, at first, successful forgery of
Galileo's "Sidereus Nuncius Martayan and Lan" is quite
interesting. Below, there are an interesting lecture
about, which is initially overly academic, and an
open access book to read about the forgery. It is
interesting how the expectation of a "great discovery"
might have led expert to overlook some "red flags"
about its authenticity.

Some articles are:

A Very Rare Book
The mystery surrounding a copy of Galileo’s pivotal treatise.
By Nicholas Schmidl, The New Yorker, December 13, 2018
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/12/16/a-very-rare-book

How a Book Thief Forged a Rare Edition of Galileo’s Scientific
Work, and Almost Pulled it Off in Books | February 11th, 2014
http://www.openculture.com/2014/02/how-a-book-thief-forged-a-rare-edition-of-galileos-scientific-work-and-almost-pulled-it-off.html

Unmasking a Galileo Forgery
Albert Van Helden, First Published July 25, 2014
https://doi.org/10.1177/0021828614537950
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0021828614537950

An online lecture mostly about this forgery,

"Fake, Facsimile, Print: The Techniques and Technologies
of Textual Reproduction, 1450 To The Future.
CAS MillerComm 2015 Nick Wilding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqT_73XdaSY

The open-access book is:

A Galileo Forgery: Unmasking the New York Sidereus Nuncius
Horst Bredekamp,Irene Brückle & Paul Needham. Vol. iii of
Galileo’s O, edited by & Horst Bredekamp (Walter de Gruyter,
Berlin, 2014). Pp. 102. ISBN 978-3-11-035464-5.
https://www.degruyter.com/viewbooktoc/product/416084
https://www.degruyter.com/view/product/416084?format=EBOK

Yours,

Paul H.

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