Re: [meteorite-list] Add: Beautiful large Gibeon for sale less than $1/gm

[John Kashuba via Meteorite-list]

Hey Jeff!

Just left Dave Mann and Toni an hour ago. First time we've met. Saw the lab and 
had lunch in White Rock. 

Do you still have the zap pit?  

- Kash

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On Tuesday, August 1, 2017, jeff hodges via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

I have a beautiful large Gibeon for sale at less than $1/gm. It was purchased 
from Michael Casper in 1999 and weighs 7.370 kg. (16 pounds 4 oz). It has a 
beautiful shape and very nice regmaglypts. Please email me for photos if 
interested. It is priced far below retail and would make an awesome addition to 
any collection.

Cheers,

Jeff Hodges

hod...@yahoo.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[John Kashuba via Meteorite-list]

Paul,

You do good work. 
Happy new year. 

- John and Dorothy



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On Saturday, December 31, 2016, Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list 
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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Twannberg

Contributed by: Andreas Koppelt

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=12/31/2016
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Many Collection Pieces for Sale - Lunars, witnessed falls, HED, achondrites, impactites, etc.

[John Kashuba via Meteorite-list]

Conner,

If the source location of this item is known I'd like to buy it if it is still 
available. Please quote me the full price including shipping and your PayPal 
address. 

14. Terrestrial lherzolite (1.61g part slice) - $7

I'm traveling right now so there's might be a few hours between times I check 
my email. 

Regards,

- John

John Kashuba
23028 Chisholm Trail
Bend, OR. 97702

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On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Connor Puritz via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Hello List,

As I get ready to head back to school, I will unfortunately be forced to sell 
off a large portion of my collection. Prices listed do not include shipping and 
are up for negotiation. Please contact me off list for any questions, picture 
requests, or orders. Most if not all meteorites come with IMCA/top dealer 
provenance.

1. ~ 1 kilo of unclassified stones (about 40 stones in total, ranging from <1g 
to >125g, can split the lot, most stones are windowed) - $125

2. UNWA whole stone, tiny window (583g) - $85

3. Al Haggounia (20.4g endcut) - $17

4. Apt L6 witnessed fall (micro mount) - $8

5. Barrachina/Rubielos de la Cerida impact breccia (0.845g lot)  - $6

6. Bensour LL6 (0.38g fragment) - $5

7. Campo del Cielo (17.1g lot) - $11

8. Dhofar 081 lunar (micromount) - $9

9. Imilac pallasite-PMG (0.376g fragment) -$6

10. Indochinite tektite (146g) - $30

11. Kem Kem 3 (pre 1970) (0.466g fragment) - $6

12. Nantan shale (70g lot) - $14

13. Norton Country aubrite (0.085g crusted fragment) - $6

14. Terrestrial lherzolite (1.61g part slice) - $7

15. Toluca IAB-sLL oxide (2.79g fragment) - $8

16. Wolf Creek IIIAB (0.862g fragment) - $7

17. NWA 267 H4 (33.6g lot of three stones) - $16

18. NWA 269 prov. (64.7g center cut) - $25

19. NWA 1879 mesosiderite-C (micromount) - $5

20. NWA 4528 H5 (14g lot) - $14

21. NWA 5020 H4 (0.08g fragment) - $4

22. NWA 5415 howardite (micromount) - $4

23. NWA 5316 H3.8 (1.76g part slice) - $6

24. NWA 6189 prov. CO3.3 (0.396g part slice) - $8

25. NWA 6551 H5 (1.04g part slice) - $6

26. NWA 6685 lodranite (4.7g cutting dust) - $16

27. NWA 6926 ungrouped achondrite (1.07g lot) - $12

28. NWA 7428 L-6 impact melt (2.55g end cut) - $12

29. NWA 7920 pallasite-PMG (1.38g fragment) - $6

30. NWA 8294 H6 (2.01g part slice) - $6

31. NWA 8295 H4 (2.09g part slice) - $6

32. NWA 8343 howardite (micromount) - $4

33. NWA 8345 CO3.2 (micromount) - $4

34. NWA 8545 ungrouped achondrite (micromount) - $5

35. NWA 8569 H6 (0.879g part slice) - $5

36. NWA 8570 LL6 (0.887g part slice) - $5

37. NWA 8571 H4 (1.90g part slice) - $6

38. NWA 8572 L6 (0.86g part slice) - $5

39. NWA 10216 LL6 (1.49g part slice) - $6

40. NWA 10056 LL4 (1.15g part slice) - $6

Again, please contact me with any questions.

Thanks,

Connor Puritz
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Many Collection Pieces for Sale - Lunars, witnessed falls, HED, achondrites, impactites, etc.

[John Kashuba via Meteorite-list]

Conner,

If the source location of this item is known I'd like to buy it if it is still 
available. Please quote me the full price including shipping and your PayPal 
address. 

14. Terrestrial lherzolite (1.61g part slice) - $7

I'm traveling right now so there's might be a few hours between times I check 
my email. 

Regards,

- John

John Kashuba
23028 Chisholm Trail
Bend, OR. 97702
USA

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On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Connor Puritz via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Hello List,

As I get ready to head back to school, I will unfortunately be forced to sell 
off a large portion of my collection. Prices listed do not include shipping and 
are up for negotiation. Please contact me off list for any questions, picture 
requests, or orders. Most if not all meteorites come with IMCA/top dealer 
provenance.

1. ~ 1 kilo of unclassified stones (about 40 stones in total, ranging from <1g 
to >125g, can split the lot, most stones are windowed) - $125

2. UNWA whole stone, tiny window (583g) - $85

3. Al Haggounia (20.4g endcut) - $17

4. Apt L6 witnessed fall (micro mount) - $8

5. Barrachina/Rubielos de la Cerida impact breccia (0.845g lot)  - $6

6. Bensour LL6 (0.38g fragment) - $5

7. Campo del Cielo (17.1g lot) - $11

8. Dhofar 081 lunar (micromount) - $9

9. Imilac pallasite-PMG (0.376g fragment) -$6

10. Indochinite tektite (146g) - $30

11. Kem Kem 3 (pre 1970) (0.466g fragment) - $6

12. Nantan shale (70g lot) - $14

13. Norton Country aubrite (0.085g crusted fragment) - $6

14. Terrestrial lherzolite (1.61g part slice) - $7

15. Toluca IAB-sLL oxide (2.79g fragment) - $8

16. Wolf Creek IIIAB (0.862g fragment) - $7

17. NWA 267 H4 (33.6g lot of three stones) - $16

18. NWA 269 prov. (64.7g center cut) - $25

19. NWA 1879 mesosiderite-C (micromount) - $5

20. NWA 4528 H5 (14g lot) - $14

21. NWA 5020 H4 (0.08g fragment) - $4

22. NWA 5415 howardite (micromount) - $4

23. NWA 5316 H3.8 (1.76g part slice) - $6

24. NWA 6189 prov. CO3.3 (0.396g part slice) - $8

25. NWA 6551 H5 (1.04g part slice) - $6

26. NWA 6685 lodranite (4.7g cutting dust) - $16

27. NWA 6926 ungrouped achondrite (1.07g lot) - $12

28. NWA 7428 L-6 impact melt (2.55g end cut) - $12

29. NWA 7920 pallasite-PMG (1.38g fragment) - $6

30. NWA 8294 H6 (2.01g part slice) - $6

31. NWA 8295 H4 (2.09g part slice) - $6

32. NWA 8343 howardite (micromount) - $4

33. NWA 8345 CO3.2 (micromount) - $4

34. NWA 8545 ungrouped achondrite (micromount) - $5

35. NWA 8569 H6 (0.879g part slice) - $5

36. NWA 8570 LL6 (0.887g part slice) - $5

37. NWA 8571 H4 (1.90g part slice) - $6

38. NWA 8572 L6 (0.86g part slice) - $5

39. NWA 10216 LL6 (1.49g part slice) - $6

40. NWA 10056 LL4 (1.15g part slice) - $6

Again, please contact me with any questions.

Thanks,

Connor Puritz
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Re: [meteorite-list] Very Bright Fireball Over Europe on Halloween Night

[kashuba via Meteorite-list]

Rob, Marco,

OK, so color isn't important.  But why the different colors?  Not green
can't mean no oxygen. Is the green overwhelmed by other colors?  Why?

- John

John Kashuba
Bend, Oregon 

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Behalf Of Rob Matson via Meteorite-list
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 12:54 AM
To: 'meteorite-list'
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Very Bright Fireball Over Europe on Halloween
Night

HI All,

Marco took the words out of my mouth. Getting tired of hearing that a green
meteor tells you anything about its composition. I know that it's natural
for
people to think the most important thing they can report about a meteor
is its color, but I wish various broadcast media would do the public a
service
and disabuse them of this notion. It would be far better if witnesses
could be trained to get in the habit of counting the duration accurately,
and noting the exact time of the meteor to the nearest minute. Seeing as
how almost everyone has a cell phone these days, and all cell phones have
accurate clocks, there really is no excuse to get the time wrong. Yet even
a casual browse of the AMS fireball site reveals that people clearly don't
think getting the time right is important. And even more obvious is that
most people have no business reporting anything about fireball starting
and ending bearings and elevation angles.  --Rob

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Behalf Of Marco Langbroek via Meteorite-list
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Very Bright Fireball Over Europe on Halloween
Night

> A lot of folks say it looked green to them, which means it may have been
> metallic;


It is a perpetuated misunderstanding that meteor colours are primarily due
to 
their composition. It's a science myth inspired by High School Bunsen burner

experiments that appears hard to kill.

While composition in some cases does have some influence on the colour, it
is 
actually the composition of the atmosphere that is usually dominant for our 
perception of meteor colours.

That certainly is true for green colours. Meteor spectra show that meteors 
usually are very strong at the "forbidden" Oxygen line at 5577 Angstrom
(557.7 
nm). This line is due to atmospheric Oxygen, the same atmospheric Oxygen 
exitation line also responsible for the green colours of Aurora.

So green meteor colours are likely atmospheric in origin and say little
about 
the meteoroids' composition.

- Marco

-
Dr Marco (asteroid 183294) Langbroek
Dutch Meteor Society (DMS)

e-mail: d...@marcolangbroek.nl
http://www.marcolangbroek.nl

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Re: [meteorite-list] AD - BRAND NEW LL3

[kashuba]

Aras,

Thank you for offering chondrites with shock values.  NWA 8330 LL3 is
beautiful and S1.  You'll see that I just bought a slice from your website.

- John

John Kashuba

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Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 5:43 AM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - BRAND NEW LL3


Good Morning List! 

I wanted to introduce a brand new LL3 which was just approved. It is FILLED
with tightly packed chondrules of all shapes and sizes. Many of the slices
have small carbonaceous inclusions, and a few even have a large chondrule
with some olivine crystals in it. I currently only have large slices
available but will be making some smaller part slices shortly. Offers are
welcome! See the slices here: www.AJmetcltr.com/nwa8330 


Also, for those interested, I have a nice large Taza showing orientation. If
interested you can find it here:
www.ajmetcltr.com/product/taza-864g-oriented-lipping/

Thanks for looking!
Aras
www.AJmetcltr.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] [AD]: NWA 8276 - the NOT SO ordinary chondrite L3.00/W1 (and the start of an interesting discussion?)

[kashuba]

Mendy, Adam, List,

Congratulations on discovering this special rock.  I saw it in Adam's room
in Tucson and we talked about it.  A 3.00 calls to every collector.  But
there was no shock rating so I was reluctant to buy.  There was another
valuable stone at another dealer that I passed on for the same reason.  

Maybe I'm stuck in tradition, but when I'm considering a shocked stone, I
like to know how shocked it is.  When I'm considering a pristine chondrite,
I want to know how pristine.  That includes the effects of thermal
metamorphism, aqueous alteration, terrestrial weathering and shock.  None of
these is necessarily a deal breaker, but each plays into my seat of the
pants cost-benefit deliberation.  

Semarkona is considered unshocked and unequilibrated.  It is spectacular in
thin section.  It's hard to know what NWA 8276 L3.00 W1 would look like.  

Sincerely,

John Kashuba
Bend, Oregon

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To: Met-List; Adam Bates
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD]: NWA 8276 - the NOT SO ordinary chondrite
L3.00/W1 (and the start of an interesting discussion?)



Hello everyone, The NWA desert continues to thrill us this with unique and
amazing specimens. NWA 8276 is just such a meteorite. It is the second L3.00
and is possibly paired to NWA 7731. NWA 8276 features a rich, black crust
and a yellowish matrix densely packed with chondrules. Extensive analysis by
Dr. Carl Agee and Karen Ziegler support the 3.00 classification - a
classification that indicates no heat or aqueous alteration of any kind (at
least as far as can be presently evaluated). In fact, this meteorite
represents material from the earliest history of our solar system. Older
than CAIs? Not sure, but maybe Dr. Agee can chime in.

The complete writeup may be found here:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=3.00sfor=typesants=falls=;
valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=All
mblist=Allrect=phot=snew=0pnt=Normal%20tablecode=59487

The
explanation how this meteorite was identified makes for a short but very
good read (from MetBull):
Adam Bates identified this meteorite from images he received as a possible
pairing to NWA 7731,even though they came from a different Moroccan
meteorite dealer. Both pieces were then purchased within a few weeks of each
other in October 2013.

Adam Bates and I partnered on half the stone and anxiously awaited for Dr.
Agee's results. It was not a given that this was in fact paired with NWA
7731, especially since the meteorite was bought from a completely different
dealer. There were visual differences in the stone that led Carl to
initially believe that 8276 may be different from 7731. In the end, the
classification came back as L3.00 but with enough differences to state that
NWA 8276 is possibly paired with NWA 7731. The terrestrial weathering is
also
quite low and only an W1.

Many people state meteorites as being rare, but some are certainly rarer
than others. The type 3.00 classification has only been given to 3
meteorites: Semarkona (LL3.00), NWA 7731 (L3.00) and now NWA 8276 (L3.00).
Here is an excerpt from Dr. Agee's FB discussion with David Weir on the 3.00
classification and the rarity of this material:
Grossman and Brearley (2005)define the subtypes less than 3.2 as 3.15,
3.10, 3.05, and 3.00. [This scale is] primarily based on the mean value and
standard deviation of Cr2O3 in coarse ferroan chondrule olivines. I'm not
saying that the Grossman and Brearley scheme is the ultimate, but it is
simply the standard currently. What will really improve the subtype 3
nomenclature (and understanding of unequilibrated OCs) are more samples like
NWA 7731 and NWA 8276. Up to now we have so few in the 3.15-3.00 range that
the statistics of small numbers makes it hard to have meaningful
subdivisions. I would gladly use an even finer scale (i.e. 3.01, 3.02, 3.03,
3.04 etc.) if it were actually established. The Grossman and Brearley (2005)
scale is the only one that exists with any sort of sampling to anchor it. We
just have too few samples to establish a finer scale. And when one starts
talking about all the possible subtle differences around 3.00, I'm not sure
if a
 numerical, linear scale would even make sense. The nice thing about
discovering more of these very low type 3s is that more  will hopefully be
available for research. Semarkona, because much of it  resides in India and
some at the Smithsonian (I believe), it is hard to get a hold of. For
example we only have a couple thin sections of Semarkona at UNM -- not even
a tiny fragment! 


The items for sale (and pricing) may be viewed at
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorites-for-sale-4/nwa-8276-l3-00-w1-a-remar
kable-and-scientifically-important-meteorite/ 


The photos have had no color manipulation and represent the true colors of
this meteorite

[meteorite-list] Zelimir Gabelica / Ensisheim Show 2012

[Kashuba]

List,

Here is our announcement of this year's Ensisheim show.

- John

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Dear list members,

I am sending this on behalf of Zelimir Gabelica who cannot be reached by
email at this moment. Sorry for all of you who have had no luck getting in
touch with him. Zelimir is currently in a rehabilitation center where he is
recovering from a pulmonary embolism after coronary artery bypasses.
Unfortunately there are no internet facilities in this hospital where he
will be staying for several more weeks.

As co-chair of the Ensisheim-Meteorite show with Zelimir and Jean-Marie
Blosser (Grand Maître of the Confraternity of the Ensisheim Meteorite
Guardians), let me take this opportunity to confirm to all of you that
Ensisheim 2012 is well scheduled for this June.

Below you will find a brief summary of the main features of this 13th
edition.

Show dates:

Saturday June 16 to Sunday June 17, 2012.

Friday June 15 is the usual dealer’s day devoted to table and booth set
up. The Regency Palace rooms are open exclusively to dealers (14:00 - 18:00)
and not to the public. Dealers may also continue to set up their booths on
Saturday morning (7:30 – 9:30) before the official show opening at 9:30.

The Regency Palace rooms close on Friday at 18:00 and the opening ceremonies
then start on the main square: inaugural address, enthroning ceremonies,
friendly drink… before the dinner party (more details in later emails).
 
Show theme: “Historical meteorites”

This year, we have three plenary lectures related to this theme:

1/ Dr. Ludovic FERRIERE, Curator of the rock collection at the Natural
History Museum in Vienna, Austria (Lecture's title to be communicated later)
2/ Mr Jean-Marie BLOSSER (The history of the Ensisheim meteorite)
3/ Dr. Alain CARION (The new French meteorite of Draveil)
 
Table reservation procedure

As every year, please write to Zelimir for table reservation at his usual
email address (zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr). Please, can all of you who already
reserved and those who are planning to make table reservation, confirm with
him again and/or write to him but only at the end of March, when he will be
able again to get in contact with all of you?

Sorry for this trouble but it will greatly facilitate this administrative
task when Zelimir will be home again! I thank you very much for your
understanding.
Needless to say, the fun and friendly show ambience is guaranteed again
simply by your presence for this 2012 Ensisheim-Meteorite!

More news later.
 
My best wishes to all,

Sabine




Dr Sabine Valange, Maître de Conférences
Université de Poitiers
Institut de Chimie, des Milieux et Matériaux de Poitiers (IC2MP, UMR CNRS
7285, ex-LACCO)
ENSIP, Bâtiment B1, 1 rue Marcel Doré, F-86022 Poitiers Cedex, FRANCE
Phone: +33 (0)5 49 45 40 48
Fax : +33 (0)5 49 45 33 49
E-mail : sabine.vala...@univ-poitiers.fr


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Re: [meteorite-list] Smallest Complete Meteorite?

[Kashuba]

List,

Five years ago Michel Franco  Fred Beroud ran a contest for smallest
oriented meteorite.  Irons and stones were judged separately.  They were
kind enough to leave the results posted.

- John


http://www.caillou-noir.com/Contestjuly2006.htm



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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 7, 2011

[Kashuba]

Philippe,

Great find!  Thank you for showing it to us.

Michael, again, thank you for hosting our pictures.

- John

John Kashuba

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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 7,
2011

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_7_2011.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 15, 2010

[Kashuba]

Bob,

Crazy cool complex chondrule!  Great shot.  Thanks!

- John

Ontario, California

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 15,
2010

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_15_2010.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Crater Shape and Entry Angle

[Kashuba]

Eric, Bernd, Sterling, List,

David Kring of LPL put together a great guidebook for the 2007 MetSoc tour
of the crater (150 pages).  He is Gene Shoemakers successor as advisor to
the Barringer family.  He and family members lead the tour.  Carolyn
Shoemaker was there too.  

Chapter 9. Trajectory begins and ends thusly:

The trajectory of the impacting asteroid is another issue of considerable
debate and still unresolved.
Historically, circular plan views of impact craters confounded many
investigators who assumed a circular
crater requires a vertical impact. They wondered why more craters are not
elliptical. Gilbert and
Barringer both realized that 45 degree impacts are the most probable
trajectories for meteoritic material.
Yet Gilbert, like many of his contemporaries, mistakenly thought a 45 degree
impact produces an oval
crater (Hoyt, 1987). Barringer, on the other hand, realized that a 45 degree
impact will produce a round
crater (Hoyt, 1987). Despite this insight, Barringer, like Gilbert,
initially assumed that the northern
Arizona impact had been vertical or nearly vertical and that the asteroid
was buried beneath the center of
the crater floor.

When extensive drilling did not locate a main mass beneath the crater floor
and instead only
produced traces of the projectile, Barringer began to consider other
options. He had already noted several
features that seem to have a directional symmetry.

- snip -

More recently, techniques similar to those of Sutton were applied by
Holliday et al. (2005) to the
Odessa impact site. They estimated the Odessa craters were produced
approximately 63,000 years ago.
Although the ages of Barringer and Odessa craters are still not precisely
known, these approximate ages
suggest Odessa formed earlier, with the caveat that the Barringer crater may
be older than 49,000 yrs.
(See discussion in Chapter 11). Thus, the two impact events may not be
directly related and may not have
any bearing on the issue of trajectory.

Nonetheless, several other potential indicators of trajectory survive (and
even the Odessa connection
might be revived). Unfortunately, these indicators cannot be reconciled at
the present time and I think it
fair to conclude that the trajectory of the impacting asteroid that produced
Barringer Crater remains
uncertain.

Chapter 9:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications/books/barringer_crater_guidebook/chapte
r_9.pdf

Whole guidebook:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications/books/barringer_crater_guidebook/index.
shtml


Regards,

- John

Ontario, California


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Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 3:26 AM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor Crater Shape and Entry Angle

Eric wrote:

The crater is not perfectly round as would be expected from an impactor 
coming in at a sharper angle. In fact the crater is more elliptical in
shape.

SHOEMAKER E.M. and KIEFFER S.W. (1974, 1979) Guidebook to the
Geology of Meteor Crater, Arizona (Publ. No. 17, Center for Meteorite
Studies, Arizona State University, Tempe, Arizona):

Regional jointing has controlled the shape of the crater, which is somewhat
squarish in outline; the diagonals of the square coincide with the trend
of the
two main sets of joints. The largest tears occur in the corners of the
crater.

Eric also inquired:

What would a relatively low impact angle be? 10 degrees, 20 degrees?

I tried to find more precise information on that but was unable to find
something
that might be of help here. Maybe someone else can shed more light on this!

Regards,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Crater Impactor?

[Kashuba]

List,

The little curved structures must be stock ponds - built to capture storm
runoff to water cattle on the range.  They are built in streams and have
training dikes.  

- John

Ontario, California

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Yinan Wang
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:12 AM
To: Meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Crater Impactor?

The mhcmagazine picture is seen from an angle in google earth. When
you look at it directly overhead, it looks like this:

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8ll=35.02599,-111.022038spn=0.021402,0.04527
6t=hz=15

Looks pretty round to me.

As for the little crater to the SSW, definitely man made, but not sure
for what use.

-Yinan

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com
wrote:
 Hi Sterling, Thanks for the answer, and links.

 Still have a question though. I'm more curious about the angle of descent.
 The paper mentions an angle of 45 degrees.

 This seems like a very safe guess. Are there any data, or information on
 the angle of descent other than in the paper you provided a link to.

 See this crater photo from Google Earth:
 http://www.mhcmagazine.com/images/crater.jpg

 The crater is not perfectly round as would be expected from an impactor
 coming in at a sharper angle.In fact the crater is more elliptical in
shape.
 It appears as if the impactor hit at an angle quite a bit shallower than
45
 degrees.

 Is it possible the impactor came in at a shallower angle?

 Regards,
 Eric


 On 9/10/2010 1:34 AM, Sterling K. Webb wrote:

 Eric, List,

 That is the conclusion of the 2005 paper in Nature by
 Melosh and Collins. Their computer models suggest it
 fragmented and came in as a swarm of pieces, much
 slowed by the atmosphere.

 Here's two popular articles:


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/03/0310_050310_meteorcrater.htm
l
 and
 http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=aid=2965

 Here's original paper:
 http://amcg.ese.ic.ac.uk/~gsc/publications/articles/download/article7.pdf

 Well, one page from Nature, Vol. 434, 10 March, 2005.



 Sterling K. Webb



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 Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 10:44 AM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor Crater Impactor?


 Hi List,

 Can someone tell me the proposed/accepted angle of descent of the
 asteroid which formed Meteor Crater in AZ?

 Wikipedia has the impactor at 50 meters across, and velocity at 12.8
 km/s. Is this accurate?

 Eric
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Re: [meteorite-list] Modest attempt ...

[Kashuba]

Taking a bit more license, 


Wanted:

I’m looking for a hound 
That won’t growl or nip
Ground glass would be its chow 
And diamonds it would . . .


- John

Ontario, California

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of a translation:

Annonce:

Ein Hündchen wird gesuchet, 
Das weder murrt noch beißt, 
Zerbrochene Gläser frißt 
Und Diamanten...


Advertisement:
 
Looking for a doggie
One that doesn't snarl nor bite
Broken glass I would feed
And diamonds it would sh...


Regards,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids 2010

[Kashuba]

Bernd,

Last year Mary and I both saw one at the radiant.  I thought there was some
slight lateral movement.  She said there was none.  Only later did I
vacillate between being scared that I (or she!) was a target and
disappointed that these things have to burn up.  

Still a bright, warm afternoon here in SoCal.  Another five or six hours
before we take a drive up to the hills a little bit away from the lights.

- John


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Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids 2010

Jan wrote:

How long is it driving to Germany

Exactly the same idea crossed my mind, only difference I was pondering
how long it would take me to drive to Holland ... have never been there
and my Pauline would like to see the tulips in spring there!

Well, as for watching the Perseids, do not look directly toward the shower
radiant but rather about 60° away from it. The closer you are to the radiant
the shorter the trails are!

Cygnus (the Swan) and Aquila (the Eagle) is always a promising place to
look!

Back into the garden for more Perseids (weather permitting - it's cloudy
again!)

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rosetta Flyby of Asteroid 21 Lutetia

[Kashuba]

Nice.  Thanks for the link.  

I wonder why the flyby video simulation had the closest approach be of a
fully sunlit face.  

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California



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Full resolution photos:

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Rosetta/SEM44DZOFBG_0.html

My favorite is the one with Saturn in the background-- you can make out just
a
hint of the rings.  If only there had been more megapixels to throw at the
shot.

It is a little more clear in negative:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1913/lutesat.jpg
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lest You Forget

[Kashuba]

Count, List,

The natural history museum in Vienna displays at least two irons with their
names on their etched faces.  Here are shots of them.  I believe that if the
Bella Roca is the main mass, the museum had acquired it by 1895.  To me it
looks like an etching resist was applied before the acid then removed.
There are collectors and dealers with ties to the museum who could look into
the history and mechanics of the process if enough of us were interested.  

http://johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Topics/ViennaIrons.htm

Regards,

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California


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Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 6:20 PM
To: Galactic Stone  Ironworks; JoshuaTreeMuseum
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lest You Forget

I don't know how that unattractive marking was put on that etched slab, but
I'll bet it will come off. Then you'd have a nice specimen at a pretty fair
price. I saw this piece, or another butchered up one for sale several months
back. These look like what you would find at a roadside tourist trap along
with the chain saw carved squirrels and t-shirts.

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lest You Forget

Hi Phil and List,

Now if he'd just put the weight, location found, and other pertinent
data on it, we'd have a really well labelled and documented piece.  ;)

Best regards,

MikeG


On 3/20/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote:
 Just in case you forget what kind of meteorite slab you bought..


http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-MUONIONALUSTA-ORIGINAL-POLISHED-SLAB-205-g_W0Q
QitemZ160317882630QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2553b0c106


 A little reminder.

 Phil Whitmer

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Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE

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Spears of God (Paperback) ~ Howard Hendrix


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To: Adam List
Subject: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE


Hi Everyone,

I'm attempting to create a comprehensive list of pop cultural  
references in recent years in which meteorites appear in a supporting  
or lead role.  I'm primarily looking at works of fiction but  
scientific references of the pop cultural ilk will be similarly  
welcome.   Looking for films, TV, books, etc.

Any input would be much appreciated.


Thanks so much, and wishing you a good weekend,

Darryl


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Re: [meteorite-list] Science page update / desert varnish on meteorites

[Kashuba]

Sonny,

That's cool.  Thanks.  What is the scale?  Is any of that dark area heat
affected meteorite?

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Science page update / desert varnish on meteorites

Hi List,

I have added a thin section picture of desert varnish on my web page. 
This picture was taken at ASU of a meteorite displaying desert varnish 
estimated to be on earth for 100,000 years.

Sonny


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/NEVADAMETEORITE_%26_SCIENCE
_Ralph_Sonny_Clary_2.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Lookup not working?

[Kashuba]

Mike,

It seems to have gone down yesterday about 2:30 PM Pacific.  

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California


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To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Lookup not working?

Hi List,

Is anyone else having problems loading the Met Bulletin lookup page?
I've been trying to access it since yesterday afternoon and it's not
loading.

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php

Best regards,

MikeG


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Re: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section

[Kashuba]

Mike, Bernd, List,

I don't know how much light I can shed on the matter.  I understand it takes
at least 750 watts. 

As usual Bernd has done some nicely directed research that might help key
this one out.  If Tom still has the slide he might spin it in his 'scope to
get a feel for how shocked it is.  Are those splotchy shadows in some of his
views evidence of mosaicism?  

Another tack would be to get thin sections of the pairing suspects for
comparison.  You might find common features like iron staining (or not),
broken chondrules and mineral grains (or not), odd clasts of one type or
another (or not) etc.  I don't have any of the three mentioned but Anne
Black might find a couple of them in the large collection she just received.
It probably would not be definitive, but it WOULD be fun and that's what
this is about!

Regards,

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Bandli
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 1:36 PM
To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin
Section

Thanks for the storm of ideas, Bernd. It looks like this one will take some
more time and expertise. I wonder if John Kashuba might shed some light on
(through) this TS? What are some other ideas for the notations on the bottom
label? 'Ct' could be an old abbreviation for county, which would point to
Homestead, though it is typically 'Co.' It would seem odd to abbreviate a
short word like city. Perhaps the '61' and 1861 are a coincidence and the 61
is simply the number assigned to that slide.

Fun stuff!

Thanks,

Mike Bandli
www.HistoricMeteorites.com
IMCA #5765

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section

A few ideas after brainstorming a bit

 ... what brain? :-)

Mike B. writes:

 Iowa has three official chondrites to its name prior to his passing.
Marion, 1847 (L6), Homestead, 1875 (L5) and Forest City, 1895 (H5)

*If* it's Marion, you might find veins because Marion is described as having
veins.

*If* it's Homestead, it should be brecciated and severely shocked (S4).

*If* it's Forest City, it should also show brecciation.

Hmm, Homestead and Forest City, ... both brecciated :-(

But: Measuring the diameters of the chondrules might help here as Forest
City
chondrules (H5) should be smaller than Homestead chondrules (L5).

By the way, just in case your thin section should contain copper, ...
Homestead
is described as containing copper.

Best wishes from
Germany,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section

[Kashuba]

Anne,

I say we get out of the smoke and heat and all go to Mikes place in
Washington.

- John

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin
Section

Good question, John.

I checked, and you are in luck, I have all three.
Well.it's not really luck, this collection is so huge, there is 
practically everything in there.
Much more about it when I am done sorting and cataloguing all of it.

Now, John, should I mail those three TS to you?  If Mike would mail his 
historical TS to you, you will be able to compare them. 

And it might take more than 750 watts with all the smoke you are getting 
right now.

Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
impact...@aol.com
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
http://www.imca.cc/


In a message dated 9/1/2009 4:11:51 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
mary.kash...@verizon.net writes:
Mike, Bernd, List,

I don't know how much light I can shed on the matter.  I understand it takes
at least 750 watts. 

As usual Bernd has done some nicely directed research that might help key
this one out.  If Tom still has the slide he might spin it in his 'scope to
get a feel for how shocked it is.  Are those splotchy shadows in some of his
views evidence of mosaicism?  

Another tack would be to get thin sections of the pairing suspects for
comparison.  You might find common features like iron staining (or not),
broken chondrules and mineral grains (or not), odd clasts of one type or
another (or not) etc.  I don't have any of the three mentioned but Anne
Black might find a couple of them in the large collection she just received.
It probably would not be definitive, but it WOULD be fun and that's what
this is about!

Regards,

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Bandli
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 1:36 PM
To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin
Section

Thanks for the storm of ideas, Bernd. It looks like this one will take some
more time and expertise. I wonder if John Kashuba might shed some light on
(through) this TS? What are some other ideas for the notations on the bottom
label? 'Ct' could be an old abbreviation for county, which would point to
Homestead, though it is typically 'Co.' It would seem odd to abbreviate a
short word like city. Perhaps the '61' and 1861 are a coincidence and the 61
is simply the number assigned to that slide.

Fun stuff!

Thanks,

Mike Bandli
www.HistoricMeteorites.com
IMCA #5765

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section

A few ideas after brainstorming a bit

... what brain? :-)

Mike B. writes:

 Iowa has three official chondrites to its name prior to his passing.
Marion, 1847 (L6), Homestead, 1875 (L5) and Forest City, 1895 (H5)

*If* it's Marion, you might find veins because Marion is described as having
veins.

*If* it's Homestead, it should be brecciated and severely shocked (S4).

*If* it's Forest City, it should also show brecciation.

Hmm, Homestead and Forest City, ... both brecciated :-(

But: Measuring the diameters of the chondrules might help here as Forest
City
chondrules (H5) should be smaller than Homestead chondrules (L5).

By the way, just in case your thin section should contain copper, ...
Homestead
is described as containing copper.

Best wishes from
Germany,

Bernd
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show

[Kashuba]

Michael,

I have your auction penciled in for 7:30 PM Saturday 6 February, 2010.  Just
tell us where it will be.

http://www.xpopress.com/Tucson-show-schedule.html

http://www.tgms.org/showinfo.htm

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Blood
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:35 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show

Well, 
It is the second day of temps over 100% in SD - and there isn't
Even a Santa Anna (wind reversal from the usual cooling breezes
Blowing from the ocean eastward to HOT winds blowing from the
Desert westward). 
Wonder how hot it is in Tucson right now?
Speaking of which, if we can take a break from the
non-meteoritic topic of aliens. Does anyone know the
Dates of the Tucson Show in 2010? The auction and the
Birthday Bash are always on the weekend after the technical
beginning weekend (when dealers are still straggling in)
And the weekend before the close of the show (when dealers start
To leave on Fri, Sat or Sun).
RSVP on list, please.
Thanks, Michael


On 8/28/09 11:24 AM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote:

 On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:07:32 -0400, you wrote:
 
 My basic point is, humans are too stupid to figure out how life got
started
 here on Earth.  
 
 Now that, is unmitigated BULLSHIT.  The fact that a question has not been
 fully
 answered yet does NOT necessiate that a question is unanserable.  More is
 becoming known about how life could have begun with each passing year--
and
 will
 likely have good, solid answers in time.  Science is still young-- the
wonder
 isn't that there are still questions for which answers have not been
found,
 but
 that so many answers HAVE been found in the past 2 or 3 centuries.  Maybe
YOU
 are too stupid to figure it out, but that doesn't mean that there aren't
 smarter
 people than you working on it.
 
 there is other life that spontaneously generated on some other planet
long
 ago and in a faraway galaxy.
 
 Are you denying that spontaneous generation happened on Earth?  Because it
 seems
 pretty clear that you are making religious arguments, not scientific ones.
 You
 seem to think that you are being rational and scientific, but you aren't.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay

[Kashuba]

Mark, List,

It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear
coated and is rusting.  Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around under
coatings.  Some Toluca have prominent troilite.  None is obvious in this
slice but it still could very well be a Toluca.  Maybe someone read a
description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanstätten pattern
and figured that is what the crossed lines are.  You might pick it up
cheap, refinish it and pray.  

Regards,

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on
ebay

Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across

on ebay.  According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector

in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the 
specimen.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=S
TRK:MEWAX:IT

Thanks.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Example of Lipping and direction stumper. TAKE 2

[Kashuba]

Martin, McCartney, List,

I suggest that The lines on mt's Allende and Martin's Tazas are not
radiating but converging.  I believe that the rim does not contain the flow
lines but, in a sense, produces them.  I see the lines as melt that has come
around the edge of the meteorite and frozen in paths toward lower pressure.
Oops!  Did a bit of metal slosh out of Martin's fine bowl at the five
o'clock position?  

Of course conditions have to be just right to produce this phenomenon.
Other possibilities are nothing, just a lip, spatter, a mass of froth and
maybe spikes.  

This Chergach is not as nice but it might help make my case.

http://johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/ChergachH5.htm

Kind regards,

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California




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Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Example of Lipping and direction stumper. TAKE
2

Hi MT,

Back in July of 2003, I posted a collection of pics of oriented irons
known then as Taza in my Accretion Desk article:

http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2003/July/Accretion_Desk.htm


I highlighted a couple of fully lipped individuals also wondering how
such a feature could form. I believe it was Jim Tobin who suggested
that the iron was spinning like a wheel parallel to the direction of
travel and the lipping produced a tire effect around the surface
interior which, as is especially viewable in the specimen I nicknamed
a bowl full of flowlines seemed to have no directional orientation
in the usual way, and in fact, has much in common with the Allende pic
you posted.

Best,

Martin




On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 4:00 PM, McCartney
Taylormccart...@blackbearddata.com wrote:
 http://outofabluesky.com/images/stories/stoneymeteorites/allende12-7.jpg

 This is an Allende. I'm not sure I understand the orientation signs I see.

 I see a star flow line pattern which indicates this side is windward. But
the lipping on the NW side hints the side is leeward. So I'm a bit confused.

 Any ideas on alternate interpretations?

 -mt



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Re: [meteorite-list] Lloydminster woman cashing in on meteorite sales

[Kashuba]

The one dollar coin has a loon on the reverse so it is called a Loonie.
The next denomination up is worth two dollars and called a Toonie.
It is a play on the animated cartoon series called Looney Tunes.

That's all, folks!

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:58 PM
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Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lloydminster woman cashing in on meteorite
sales

Hi,

I had the same question when I read it. A toonie is a Canadian $2
coin 28mm in diameter and weighing slightly over 7 grams.

Peter

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sales


Okay, but what's a toonie?
Anita



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Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:18:07 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lloydminster woman cashing in on meteorite sales

Meteorites sell, they really do...

They were like, 'Oh my gosh, you could sell these.'


Lloydminster woman cashing in on meteorite sales


Months after a fireball soared through western Canadian skies and crashed to
the ground, fragments from the meteor are red-hot sellers on the internet.

Tara Patmore, who lives in Lloydminster, a city on the Alberta-Saskatchewan
border, was among dozens of people out looking for space rocks after the
meteor scattered fragments around Buzzard Coulee, Sask., on Nov. 20.

Her father phoned her to say rocks had fallen where he lived, about 30
kilometres southeast of Lloydminster, and soon she and her family were on a
meteorite-hunting expedition.

It turned out a record number of meteor pieces had fallen on the area.

Just me, my husband and my kids, we found 21 pieces, she said.

It kind of almost looks like black coal. Some of them also have, like chips
broken off from falling to the earth, and on the inside they almost look
like concrete.

Patmore put pictures of her meteorites on a Facebook page, to the amazement
of her friends. They were like, 'Oh my gosh, you could sell these.'

So, she did, selling them online. Before long, the offers started coming.

One of the rocks was a little smaller than a toonie and we sold it for 800
bucks, she said. I couldn't believe that people would pay that much for a
rock... [but] If they're going to pay it, I'm going to take it.

Patmore's mother and father donated dozens of the space rocks to the
University of Calgary. More rocks will be donated to a university that's
still to be determined. Other rocks, the family will keep.

Patmore said that after the money is spent, she'll still have a lot of
memories of her adventures in the meteorite fields.

SOURCE:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2009/05/29/space-rocks-sales.htm
l

-

-- Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
http://www.meteoritesusa.com
904-236-5394

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Re: [meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite Axe ID

[Kashuba]

List,

This is not the shape of a tool made to hack, throw, push or pull.  The shape 
of the blade and the location of mass is wrong.  Further, a people that was 
short of iron would not have made an implement with a solid handle.

I suggest this is a bar scarffed to be joined by welding to a similarly 
scarffed bar to form a corner for some structural application.  It might even 
be part of such a joint that has failed and has been cut away from reusable 
stock.  

The nickel test should be enlightening.

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Peter Scherff
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:38 PM
To: cdtuc...@cox.net; 'meteoritelist'
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite Axe ID

Hi Carl,
When a meteorite is heated and worked any widmanstatten pattern is 
usually destroyed. So the lack of a pattern won’t prove anything. 
I am somewhat skeptical as to your objects origin. My skepticism arises 
out of the shape of the handle.  From the photos the handle portion appears to 
have a round cross section. That makes me think that the object was forged from 
an iron rod.

Thanks,

Peter

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:43 PM
To: Peter Scherff; meteoritelist
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite Axe ID

Peter,
I purchased this at an estate sale in Tucson and all the lady told me was that 
her late husband told her it was made of meteor and was a weapon from Egypt 
used for killing and not for kitchen use. ( good words to help sell? Maybe!)
I deal in antiques so, I know there is always a story but the story does not 
always match the facts. I did try to acid etch the polished end and it dulls 
evenly except is small circles where it stays very shiny. No Widmanstatten or 
Newman lines. It still has a decent edge as well.
I am being told that ASU has an AXE from Toluca so I am going to try and find a 
pic but I have not seen it yet. Thank you.
Carl

 Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com wrote: 
 Hi Carl,
   The photos of the iron object you posted are interesting. Perhaps we 
 could give you more information if you could tell us why you think that the 
 object is prehistoric, why it is meteoritic and why it is an ax?
 Thanks,
 Peter Scherff
 
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 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of 
 cdtuc...@cox.net
 Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:38 PM
 To: Jack Schrader; meteoritelist
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite Axe ID
 
 Thank you Jack,
 Does anyone have any photos of Toluca tools they could share? Any other 
 thoughts about Toluca as a sour se of this axe? If from Toluca would that 
 make this a possible Mayan or Aztec culture or would you simply say 
 Pre-Columbian artifact? Thank you. 
 
  Jack Schrader schrad...@rocketmail.com wrote: 
  
  Hello Carl.  My guess would be that it is a Toluca or Xiquipilco meteorite. 
   This meteorite is known by both names as it was discovered in the Toluca 
  Valley of Xiquipilco Mexico in 1776.  This meteoritic iron was well  known 
  to the early settlers in the area and they used the iron they found to make 
  many of their common everyday tools.  Nininger documented a number of tools 
  made from this same iron when he visited the area and began collecting the 
  meteorites from the locals.  Best wishes, Jack
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net
 To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:21:33 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite Axe ID
 
 List, 
 Please forgive me. I had some old photos I forgot to delete. What I am 
 looking for is the correct age and culture of this antique Axe  made of 
 meteorite iron. Thanks Carl
 
  List,
  Can anyone help me identify the age and origin of this meteorite Iron Axe. 
  Weighs 3.5 pounds. and is over 6 inches long. 
  Thank you. 
  
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/13030...@n07/?saved=1
  
  Carl Esparza
  IMCA 5829
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Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood

[Kashuba]

Eric, List,

I emailed this article to my brother who lives up there.  He responded
Cottonwood is in the flightline for the local airport.

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Wichman
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:07 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
Cottonwood

What?! A meteorite or space debris?

..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a 
Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying 
much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass...

http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroy
s-car-in/

The photos of the supposed meteorite look like debris of some sort. 
Not like any meteorite I've ever seen.

Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering 
$10K for the meteorite?

Hmm

Regards,
Eric Wichman
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Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood

[Kashuba]

Carl, List,

I'm not advocating ANY source of this object but:

1 - It might look EXACTLY like an airplane part to someone who knows air
planes.  (It might look like a satellite part to someone . . .)
2 - It might have gotten pretty messed up in, on or around whatever device
it came from before said device shed it.  It DOES look like it was really
moving when it hit.  

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:05 PM
To: Kashuba; meteoritelist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
Cottonwood

I have a question.
If this is simply something that fell off of an airplane then why is it so
unrecognizable?
I would think parts that fall off planes would be easy to recognize. Plus
the size of this piece pictured is about the size of a nickel. A nickel
weighs more like 5 grams not .07 grams. It seems to me this must be from
space? No? And if it is from space , why isn't it smooth? 
Carl Esparza
IMCa 5829

 Kashuba mary.kash...@verizon.net wrote: 
 Eric, List,
 
 I emailed this article to my brother who lives up there.  He responded
 Cottonwood is in the flightline for the local airport.
 
 - John
 
 John Kashuba
 Ontario, California
 
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 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Eric
 Wichman
 Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:07 AM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
 Cottonwood
 
 What?! A meteorite or space debris?
 
 ..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a 
 Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying 
 much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass...
 

http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroy

 s-car-in/
 
 The photos of the supposed meteorite look like debris of some sort. 
 Not like any meteorite I've ever seen.
 
 Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering 
 $10K for the meteorite?
 
 Hmm
 
 Regards,
 Eric Wichman
 Meteorites USA
 www.meteoritesusa.com
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD

[Kashuba]

Selling before or after official classification makes no difference to the
science of these stones.

It has already been examined by many on this list.  If it matters, two of
the first to find this material were astronomers from the University of
North Texas.  Further, Mexico Doug assures us a that classification sample
has already been provided.  There are hints that there are kilos of this
stuff and that it is not a rare classification.   

There is no earthly reason this material should be embargoed by government
or guilt.  Martin Altman's astute and articulate writings on this subject
apply. 


John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:42 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD



I don't know if I'm the only person who feels this or not.
I personally felt that the offering of this new material before it was
officially classified was distasteful. 

Collectors are constantly being branded as bounty hunters or treasure
seekers. Surely, all collectors can see that to obtain virgin material
before it can be officially classified or examined is against scientific
principles.

I realise that some collectors may have more money to hand than museums. I
also realise that the hunters have overheads to cover but the offering of
material to collectors before it is offered to science just seems wrong to
me.

My hobby is other peoples livelyhood and this action just does not sit well
with me and I'll wager it does not sit well with the general public, either.
How does this help us?

Rob McC



  
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Re: [meteorite-list] question for thin section collectors

[Kashuba]

Burnham Petrographics sells a box that looks the same as Wards' for $18.45.
http://burnhampetrographics.com/petropoxy/ppp.php
http://burnhampetrographics.com/pdfs/pricelists/ppp_prices.pdf

More pictures here plus a do-it-yourself wooden version.  The outside box
held silver flatware.  The top was fitted with a velvet pad that held the
slides still.  I don't use it anymore.  
http://johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Topics/Thinsectionstorage.htm


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DelRay
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Subject: [meteorite-list] question for thin section collectors



I was wondering if anyone could tell me the typical way that thin sections
are collected. I know that they are on microscope slides, but do people
typically keep those slides in an old microscope slide box, or  drawer of
some sort?
Is there a protective type case that is typical of thin section collectors?
My boyfriend is a custom woodworker, and it trying to figure out a way to
build a storage case for these.
Thanks in advance,
Leigh Anne DelRay


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] meteor shower

[Kashuba]

Larry,

Thanks for the extra info on the Quadrantids.  It's good hearing from the
asteroid expert.  

- John

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To: Larry  Twink Monrad
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteor shower

Hi Twink:

Yes, got beat out on the response that it was the Quadrantids (radiates
out from a now-defunct constellation, Quadrans Muralis; mural or wall
quandrant). It also appears to be related to a 2-km asteroid, 2003 EH1.
However, going back even further, there is a lost comet, C/1490 Y1 (seen
in 1490) that may now look less comet-like and more asteroid-like, i.e.
EH1 is really a defunct comet.

Larry






On Sat, January 3, 2009 7:56 am, Larry  Twink Monrad wrote:
 I was asked to post this to the list since the Bakers were unable to do
 so. Twink Monrad


 1/3/2009


 Does anyone on the list know if there is a current meteor shower?


 Jake and I were out walking the dogs at 5:45 this morning and saw 7 or 8
 meteors.

 There has been some activity every morning or evening for the last week
 or more. Our location is Show Low, Arizona, USA. Lat/Lon at our
 airport is


 34-15-55N / 110-00-20W




 The sightings have been almost over head, out of the NNE to NNW. The
 display is less than a second with a very flat arc.

 2009 is going to be a great year having seen so many meteors in the first
  three days.

 See you at Tucson.






 Thanks.




 Barb  Jake




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Re: [meteorite-list] Itqiy and Zaklodzie

[Kashuba]

Tracy, Zelimir, Bernd and all,

I put pictures of Itqiy and Zakłodzie slices side by side here:

http://johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/Zaklodzie%20Itqiy.ht
m

Maybe this helps a little.

Regards,

- John

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Zelimir
Gabelica
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:29 AM
To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Itqiy and Zaklodzie

Yes Bernd, you are perfectly right. Funny my misspelling the numbers. My 
fingers run too fast (actually my phone number starts with 2656...pfff!)

Thanks for the reference.
I just also received the PDF copy from David Weir and read the intro and 
the conclusions.
Very interesting...the Itqiy-Zaklodzie-NWA 2526 continues.

BTW, I have a pic of my Zaklodzie slice (14.1 g, 50x45x2 mm).
Not the best quality but I'll sent it to you in a separate mail.
If you feel it is informative for the list and if you can host it on your 
site, feel free to send the link.

Thanks again for comments.

Zelimir


A 17:40 13/12/2008 +, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de a écrit :
Hi Tracy, Zélimir and List,

Zélimir: I can tell you (qualitatively) that their textures are 
definitely different.
Tracy: Itqiy and Zaklodzie slices, do they actually look similar in
section?

No, they don't look similar at all! They have totally different grain 
sizes. Itqiy has
a grain size that ranges from 0.5-1.7 mm in my specimen, whereas crystals 
in my
tiny Zaklodzie slice have an average grain size of  0.5 mm.

Tracy: Zaklodzie, however,...don't show the texture very well

Zaklodzie is very hard to photograph. I've tried but without satisfactory 
results.
I've also put my two smallish slices of Zaklodzie and Itqiy under the 
microscope
and have taken pictures of them both side by side. Moderate result but one
can
clearly see the difference in texture.

While it was quite difficult to take pics of my Zaklodzie slice, it was 
relatively
easy to take pics of my Zaklodzie thin section in XP (cross-polarized)
light.

Zélimir: Itqiy is very similar to NWA 2656 (btw classified as E-achon 
in Met.
Bull.)

Huh?! NWA 2656 is classified as an acapulcoite! My itsy-bitsy 0.29-gram
slice of that acapulcoite is even harder to photograph than the Zaklodzie
:-(

Klaus Keil, Addi Bischoff (2008) NWA 2526: A partial melt residue
of enstatite chondrite parentage (MAPS 43-7, 2008, pp. 1233-1240):

Well, the meteorite Zélimir is referring to, that's NWA 2526
and in the last two sentences of the abstract you'll find this:

These similarities indicate that NWA 2526 and Itqiy may have formed on
the same parent body. This body was different from the EH, EL, Shallowater
and aubrite parent bodies, and NWA 2526 and Itqiy may represent samples
from yet another, fifth enstatite meteorite parent body.

Best,

Bernd



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Re: [meteorite-list] Itqiy and Zaklodzie

[Kashuba]

Jerry,

I resent it in Rich Text to avoid the broken link but it's not posting.
HTML is verboten. So let's try this:

http://tinyurl.com/6rkt8l

Thanks for the note!
  
- John

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Itqiy and Zaklodzie

John, try to resend that. The link doesn't seem to work
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Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Itqiy and Zaklodzie


Tracy, Zelimir, Bernd and all,

I put pictures of Itqiy and Zakłodzie slices side by side here:

http://johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/Zaklodzie%20Itqiy.ht
m


Maybe this helps a little.

Regards,

- John

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Zelimir
Gabelica
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:29 AM
To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Itqiy and Zaklodzie

Yes Bernd, you are perfectly right. Funny my misspelling the numbers. My
fingers run too fast (actually my phone number starts with 2656...pfff!)

Thanks for the reference.
I just also received the PDF copy from David Weir and read the intro and
the conclusions.
Very interesting...the Itqiy-Zaklodzie-NWA 2526 continues.

BTW, I have a pic of my Zaklodzie slice (14.1 g, 50x45x2 mm).
Not the best quality but I'll sent it to you in a separate mail.
If you feel it is informative for the list and if you can host it on your
site, feel free to send the link.

Thanks again for comments.

Zelimir


A 17:40 13/12/2008 +, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de a écrit :
Hi Tracy, Zélimir and List,

Zélimir: I can tell you (qualitatively) that their textures are
definitely different.
Tracy: Itqiy and Zaklodzie slices, do they actually look similar in
section?

No, they don't look similar at all! They have totally different grain
sizes. Itqiy has
a grain size that ranges from 0.5-1.7 mm in my specimen, whereas crystals
in my
tiny Zaklodzie slice have an average grain size of  0.5 mm.

Tracy: Zaklodzie, however,...don't show the texture very well

Zaklodzie is very hard to photograph. I've tried but without satisfactory
results.
I've also put my two smallish slices of Zaklodzie and Itqiy under the
microscope
and have taken pictures of them both side by side. Moderate result but one
can
clearly see the difference in texture.

While it was quite difficult to take pics of my Zaklodzie slice, it was
relatively
easy to take pics of my Zaklodzie thin section in XP (cross-polarized)
light.

Zélimir: Itqiy is very similar to NWA 2656 (btw classified as E-achon
in Met.
Bull.)

Huh?! NWA 2656 is classified as an acapulcoite! My itsy-bitsy 0.29-gram
slice of that acapulcoite is even harder to photograph than the Zaklodzie
:-(

Klaus Keil, Addi Bischoff (2008) NWA 2526: A partial melt residue
of enstatite chondrite parentage (MAPS 43-7, 2008, pp. 1233-1240):

Well, the meteorite Zélimir is referring to, that's NWA 2526
and in the last two sentences of the abstract you'll find this:

These similarities indicate that NWA 2526 and Itqiy may have formed on
the same parent body. This body was different from the EH, EL, Shallowater
and aubrite parent bodies, and NWA 2526 and Itqiy may represent samples
from yet another, fifth enstatite meteorite parent body.

Best,

Bernd



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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 11, 2008

[Kashuba]

This looks like a nice demonstration of a troilite nodule - being weaker
than metal - having been partially ablated during atmospheric passage.  Very
cool slice.  

- John

Ontario, California 

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2008

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/December_11_2008.html 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Souslovo

[Kashuba]

List,

For anyone interested - I've taken a half dozen thin section pictures of
Souslovo L4 and posted them here:

http://johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/SouslovoL4.htm

- John

John Kashuba
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Re: [meteorite-list] MARTIAN MOON NAMES... AGAIN

[Kashuba]

Sterling,

All these years my brain has recited Phobos-and-Deimos-fear-and-panic.  This
is since Saturn had three rings and Jupiter had twelve moons.  Demoting
Pluto was easy but now Deimos and Phobos, Fear and Flight?  Ouch.

Great research.  A Sterling job!

- John 

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Subject: [meteorite-list] MARTIAN MOON NAMES... AGAIN

Hi, Darren, John, Larry, List

This is so typical. I'm here to completely reverse my position
on the English meaning of the names of the Martian moons
that I posted yesterday. The IAU / USGS website with them:
http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/append7.html
is probably correct and the best resolution of the question.

I've continued to research the question. I have discovered that
I was wrong about some things (no big surprise there). I have
the habit of shooting off my mouth about what I think I know
and discovering it to be mistaken. I was sure Iliad xv, 119
had Phobos, Deimos in that order, and... yes, wrong again.

The Iliad, Chap 15, lines 113-120,
transliterated into Romanic characters:

hôs ephat', autar Arês thalerô peplêgeto mêrô
chersi kataprêness', olophuromenos d' epos êuda:
mê nun moi nemesêset' Olumpia dômat' echontes   115
tisasthai phonon huios iont' epi nêas Achaiôn,
ei per moi kai moira Dios plêgenti keraunôi
keisthai homou nekuessi meth' haimati kai koniêisin.
hôs phato, kai rh' hippous keleto Deimon te Phobon te
zeugnumen, autos d' ente' eduseto pamphanoônta.  120

If the characters don't come up right in the email,
just go to:
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0133
layout=loc=15.119
You can switch the display to the Greek characters
if you want to.

I was dead wrong. Homer gives Deimos, Phobos in that
order, which Bryant translated as Fear, Flight, in that
order, which Hall chose, in that order, to be the English
names of Deimus, Phobus, which he discovered, in that
order (despite the greater magnitude of Phobos).

SO, if the deciding criterion is the nominative intent of
the discoverer Hall, the English names on the IAU / USGS
website are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!

The question is not a definitive source, but a definitive or
deciding criterion. There are some choices:

1. The intent of the discoverer and the exercise of the
naming right in a case of a name of pre-IAU origin and
undisputed at the time. In this case, it would be what is
currently on the webpage.

2. The linguistic heritage of a loan-word or root in any
given language. There's no doubt English has accepted
the Greek phobos as a root for Fear, at this point in time.
This is unlikely to change, as we're likely to continue to
have phobias! On the other hand, deimos has not been
borrowed into English, so there is no obvious choice for it.
 The English phobia postdates Hall's naming. We didn't
have phobias until the psychiatric revolution of the early
twentieth century. If you didn't like standing on the edge
of a cliff or being locked in a closet, you were just a
scaredy-cat, not phobic. You were teased, not drugged,
enrolled in a support group, made special.

3. Accepted Usage is another possible criterion. But we
see that the usage of translators of Ancient Greek is all
over the map, all of the time. But there's also the
Accepted Professional Usage of astronomers who,
for almost a century have been writing textbooks, the
vast majority of which have translated Phobos as
Fear and Deimos as something else! Panic, Terror,
Dread, Flight, Rout... you name it, and occasionally
re-naming Phobos, too. Doesn't seem that any of these
astronomers ever objected to what the others were
doing in the name-translation game, either. It was
essentially a free-for-all.
The problem is that there's nothing settled here; in
both cases, the name translations can vary at will and
at any time. Nomenclature is not supposed to work
that way.

The three criteria all have advantages and disadvantages.
No. 2 is bad because it's indecisive about Deimos, so it
doesn't apply to the whole case. No. 3 is bad because
it is subject to change. In the case of adopting current
Ancient Greek-to-English translation preferences, it will
change constantly, or at least a three times a century.
In the case of professional usage, it is clear about
Phobos  and vague about Deimos, just like No. 2, so
it settles nothing. It was a partial free-for-all, and that
is problem. Astronomers didn't settle it. They had
their chance and didn't think it was important enough
to pin it down.

That leaves No. 1, which has a clear-cut rationale, based
on a clear-cut principle, and produces a result that is fixed.
If it is the criterion that applies, the matter of the meaning
of the names in English is done, over, permanent, will never
change, move along, there's nothing to see here

Re: [meteorite-list] Mars in 3D

[Kashuba]

Pete, Bernd, List,

I have bought 3D glasses from these folks:

http://www.berezin.com/3D/3dglasses.htm

There's nothing wrong with the cheap cardboard ones for occasional use.
They are also easy to stick into an envelope to send to friends so they can
see 3D pics you might produce and post.

Here are a few anaglyphs I've made myself.  My favorite is the small vug of
crystals in D'Orbigny Angrite.

http://johnkashuba.com/Anaglyph_Index.html

All the best,

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California



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I guess I'm outa luck as I only have 2D glasses.
Where do you find the 3D glasses? I should have
saved mine from when I was a kid back in prehistoric
times.
Pete

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Re: [meteorite-list] Mamemake mademade plutonpluton

[Kashuba]

Off the subject, but it looks like they have crossed up the meaning of the
names of the two Mars moons.  

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Mamemake mademade plutonpluton

http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/append7.html#DwarfPlanets
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Re: [meteorite-list] Another clue to the Mystery Fall Game

[Kashuba]

Paco,

Good catch!  I searched maps of Mendoza but didn't catch the terrain
pattern.  With your article it was easy to find the area shown on
McCartney's map.  Here is the map from Google and also McCartney's map.  The
braided stream is there and everything right on down to the little race
track near the bottom of the Google map that is near the notebook on the
other.

http://johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/General/Santa%20Luc%eda.htm


Congratulations Paco and McCartney!

- John 

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Yes, maybe Argentina.
 From Texas to Santa Lucía: 
 http://www.diariodecuyo.com.ar/home/new_noticia.php?noticia_id=268939

Paco Ocaña

Mike Bandli escribió:

One other possibility is The Santa Lucia meteorite of Argentina, which fell
in late January of this year:

http://www.diariodecuyo.com.ar/home/new_noticia.php?noticia_id=264208

Maybe not, though, as removing meteorites from Argentina is now unlawful
(as
of December 2007).

Mike Bandli
 
  




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Re: [meteorite-list] Another clue to the Mystery Fall Game

[Kashuba]

Yes, Jerry, that little race track, circuito, lies at about 68°28'34.00W,
31°30'0.00S.

- John

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Thanks John for the map comparison. Tha-tha-That's all Folks!!
Jerry Flaherty
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Paco,

Good catch!  I searched maps of Mendoza but didn't catch the terrain
pattern.  With your article it was easy to find the area shown on
McCartney's map.  Here is the map from Google and also McCartney's map.  The
braided stream is there and everything right on down to the little race
track near the bottom of the Google map that is near the notebook on the
other.

http://johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/General/Santa%20Luc%eda.htm


Congratulations Paco and McCartney!

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another clue to the Mystery Fall Game

Yes, maybe Argentina.
 From Texas to Santa Lucía:
 http://www.diariodecuyo.com.ar/home/new_noticia.php?noticia_id=268939

Paco Ocaña

Mike Bandli escribió:

One other possibility is The Santa Lucia meteorite of Argentina, which fell
in late January of this year:

http://www.diariodecuyo.com.ar/home/new_noticia.php?noticia_id=264208

Maybe not, though, as removing meteorites from Argentina is now unlawful
(as
of December 2007).

Mike Bandli






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Re: [meteorite-list] RFS Picture of the Day Jan. 8 / weirdproperties of NWA ...

[Kashuba]

Phil, List,

I put a couple slides of this material under the 'scope and found only very
small bits of metal in the blue lithology - and then, only in brownish areas
of it.  (Yeah, but the slice is from a distinctly blue sample.) The brown
lithology had small, but naked eye size blebs of metal.  It sounds like
brown, metal and magnetic are closely related.  And that the blue lithology
started out with very little metal.  

I just added three pictures to the bottom of this page:

http://johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/NWA2965EL3.htm#

Regards,

- John 

John Kashuba
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weirdproperties of NWA ...

I find it interesting that the blue material is usually mentioned as being 
less weathered but I've never seen any with visible metal but I have found 
shiny iron flecks in the brown material.

My small blue stone was encased in more of a rind than any of my brown 
stones if that fact is interesting at all.

Anybody have the blue material with visible metal?

Regards,
Phil 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments

[Kashuba]

Sterling, List,

Well, soot HAS been a problem for some people.  I believe the first
identified occupational cancer was scrotal cancer in young chimney sweeps.
Bucky Balls indeed!

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Hi, Jerry, List,

 Though many experts remain skeptical of the validity
 of the emerging science related to buckeye balls ...

At first, it was claimed that buckeyballs could only be
formed in extreme conditions, such as are found in a
major impact. Then we discovered that they can be
formed at low temperatures and pressures by different
means (they're in candle soot). They can still be formed
in extremes, though. On Earth, they can be formed by
lightning and are found in the mineral shungite.

However, the finding of Helium-3 inside a Bucky Ball
is a different matter. Helium (all isotopes) is not exactly
common on Earth, and the terrestrial atmospheric ratio of
He-3 to He-4 is one atom of He-3 to 1,380,000 atoms
of He-4. In mantle rocks, the ratio is 200 parts of He-3
to a million parts of He-4, or one to 5000. The extraterrestrial
or cosmic abundances of He-3 to He-4 is much higher than
any terrestrial ratios. In lunar regolith, the ratio is one
to 2800.

So, if you find a detectable amount of He-3 in a Bucky
Ball, that Bucky Ball was likely made from materials from
off-planet, not local stuff. BB + He3 = Rocks From Space,
or ice from space, or dust from space, pick your catastrophe.
(In defense, supernova debris should be rotten with every
kind of buckeyballs...)

A fullerene is a trivalent convex polyhedron with pentagonal
and hexagonal faces. The simplest Buckminsterfullerene is
Carbon-60, of which there are 1812 non-isomorphic varieties.
Other common Buckminsterfullerenes are Carbon-70 and 76
and 84, and even 100 is pretty common. There are also boron
Buckminsterfullerenes, and there's probably no reason other
tri-valent atoms can't have some fun, too.

A simple Carbon-60 Buckminsterfullerene is about 0.7 nanometers
across. Don't touch'em or breathe'em, as they can enter human
flesh easily but seem to have a heck of time trying to leave,
though. This has caused the tremulous to flap about health
hazards, but humanity has had a long-term exposure to materials
rich in fullerenes (soot was everywhere) and trouble would have
shown up long ago, if there were trouble...

And last, and certainly least, The Bucky Ball is the State Molecule
of Texas!



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Another NAME mentioned in the NG is geologist Allen West whose search for
telltale micrometeorites in Mamm. tusks led him to a warehouse outside of
Calgary, Canada Fossils. Ageing the tusks, after locating several with
multiple metal fragments and following this up with a similarly pelted giant
bison, radio carbon dating being as imprecise as IT is, something else
serendipitously intervened to nail down the time!
The bones of a Clovis era horse, packed with silt, were found IN the
Extinction layer[the level just below the Black Mats which mark the
ceiling of the of the NA Mega fauna extinction event [yet to be
confirmed]
Probing into this 13,000 year old silt at the atomic level, finding high
levels of, guess what, Iridium, spawned a continent wide search for similar
finding combing the suspected extinction layer for E.T. evidence.
As they had hoped, elevated levels of Iridium turned up at other sites
across the continent. Knowing that this one finding was inconclusive since
concentrations of this element are known to happen in more conventional
ways, the study was referred to Dr LuAnn Becker, a geochemist and an
authority on the cosmic chemistry of trace elements involved in these
cataclysmic events.
Looking for nano sized traces of star dust, she found fullerenes,  thought
to have formed in the explosion of rare carbon stars, with cosmic HE3
trapped inside. Becker is among a group who surmise that these have arrived
on earth by hitching rides on comets or asteroids. Though many experts
remain skeptical of the validity of the emerging science related to buckeye
balls another problem relates to the lack of a crater dating to that time.
ICE, however, makes a marvelous mask and might explain the absence of traces
of a 13,000 year old crater which, enormous if it were capable of wiping out
human and animal populations across a continent, remains too subtle

Re: [meteorite-list] Possible New BL Meteorite - Plus some other cutephotos

[Kashuba]

Dean,

It's too bad that we missed another chance to find out about those
fine-grained inclusions that are so prominent in the original BL, NWA
1658.  I see they aren't mentioned in the classifications of NWA 2826 or
2053 either.  

This week I will be sending several samples to Bathurst to try your new
classification service on behalf of several collectors.  One of these finds
contains the occasional dual lithology piece.  We will be providing an
excellent cut and polished sample so that the research facility will be sure
to include both in their classification. 

Regards,

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California 

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--- PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dean
 You have the same as my NWA 2826 LL5 (aka NWA 2053
 and many others)
 This is very good material, fresh, with many
 interesting inclusions, visible 
 chondrules (thats why it should be LL5 not LL6) and
 very very large 
 troilites (well visible on photos at rusty spots)
 
I think that you have just pointed out a problem in
general with classifying meteorites.
The piece that I sent in for classification wasnt
nearly as nice as the larger cut in my photo. I didnt
realize that it was so nice until yesterday when I
started cutting it up. If I had used a different
sample I would probably have gotten the different
classification.
Sincerely
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 2871: Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 5, 2007

[Kashuba]

Mexico Doug, Bernd and List,

Bernd has been leading a few of us, off list, in a discussion of
Acapulcoites v Lodranites.  Doug's fine list of references, including David
Weir's wonderfully up to date pages, shows the likelihood that a more
comprehensive classification system will evolve.  Grain size is an artifact
of metamorphism and correlates well but tells the story only incompletely
and imperfectly.  

A while back I put up a page with a few pictures of winonaites and
acapulcoites in thin section.  Now these classifications are clearly
distinguished with olivine and oxygen isotope composition.  Still, there are
pictures of one former and two current acapulcoites there where grain sizes
can be compared.  If anyone wants to check out another guy's picture of NWA
2871 for grain sizes I just posted a large version of one of mine.  Just
click on the last picture on that page for a new page or use the second link
below.  Do remember, though, that most grain portions we see in thin section
do not represent the full size of the grain since the plane of the section
will cut through the thickest portion of only a small percentage of the
grains it encounters.

http://johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Topics/Acapulcoites_and_Winon
aites.html

http://johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/NWA2871Acapulcoite.h
tm

Best regards,

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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November 5, 2007

Doug kindly wrote:

Just a click away and an interested person without the materials and 
microscope can vicariously participate with Bernd's clear and colorful 
image of his nice thin section of Lodranite/Acapulcoite material.


Thank you, Doug. Much appreciated! Yes, that's one of my best pics
that I've taken so far in cross-polarized light and still without a gadget
to firmly attach the camera to the microscope, camera only hand-held!

Doug: Bernd, could you kindly mention which of the grains were measured for
those 
of us who want to confirm our little fun with a tape measure on our computer
screens?

I could but I won't ;-) Let me explain my rudeness: You have the field of
view
in the upper right corner, so it's easy to figure out the rest - an easy
exercise!

Doug quoting from C. Floss: The simple bimodal classification of these
meteorites
based primarily on petrographic criteria, which has been used to date,
appears to be 
inadequate to describe this diverse group of samples, ...

Hence I wrote and also quoted on Friday, Oct 26:

-
But: It is not only grain size! ... and that's why this excerpt 
from an article in MAPS may be of interest in this context: 

TERRIBILINI D. et al. (2000) Evidence for common breakup events of the 
acapulcoites-lodranites and chondrites (MAPS 35-5, 2000, pp. 1043-1050). 

GRA 95209 is considered a lodranite based on petrography (McCoy and 
Carlson, 1998), but Mittlefehldt and Lindstrom (1998) find that the
bulk-rock 
composition is more similar to acapulcoites and quite different from that of

lodranites. Thus, a clear-cut classification is difficult.


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Best wishes,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about Polarizing Microscope Lomo Polam P-211

[Kashuba]

Is this the 'scope?  The link at the right is for a P-211M.

http://www.lomo.ru/site/catalog/view_main.cgi?l0=1l1=18cid=18

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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P-211

Hello Listees, 

OK this is a gloat. However, there is also a request
for assistance. 

I just scored a compound polarizing mineralogical
microscope that I am trying to learn some more about.
I am trying to find a users manual and a service
manual (preferably in english, but any language is
more than I have now). The good part is that I got
this microscope for $50. The down side is that the
eyepieces are replacements. The objectives are also
replacements and there are only 2 objectives. 

A through search of the web has turned up very little
information and no hint of a manual. 

Can any of you help me learn anything more about this
microscope? I contacted the good folks at Lomo USA and
they tell me that this microscope was never supported
in the US market and that they can offer no help or
support. I am appealing to the international members
of this list for any help they might be able to offer.


Thank You and Best Regards, 
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   Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites


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Re: [meteorite-list] Claxton Mailbox and Meteorite

[Kashuba]

In the event, the Crown Section did not sell, nor did the Brenham meteorite
found in 2005 near Greensburg, Kansas, which had an estimate price of up to
$700,000.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7066340.stm




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1. Mailbox set to fetch price that's sky high | ajc.com 
Hit by meteorite in '84, it could go for $80,000

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2007/10/27/meteorite_1028.htm
l and 

http://www.ajc.com/services/content/metro/stories/2007/10/27/meteorite_01.ht
ml

2. The world's most valuable mailbox, By Charles Leroux
Tribune, October 26, 2007 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/chi-1026mailboxoct26,1,4551901.story

3. The Claxton Meteorite and Mailbox

http://www.meteorlab.com/METEORLAB2001dev/labphoto/Claxton.htm

4. Macovich Collection of Meteorites

http://www.macovich.com/lots/lot15.html

Yours,

Paul H.




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Re: [meteorite-list] Microscope focus software

[Kashuba]

Darren, Bernd, and List,

I believe Matteo used Helicon Focus.  There are others, too.  Somewhere out
there there is a good comparison of several.

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Matteo should be able to answer that because it was him
who presented that program and proudly showed off his
results!

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] Microscope focus software

[Kashuba]

More links here:

http://www.mineralogie.uni-wuerzburg.de/links/tools/focus_stacking.html

- John

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Darren, Bernd, and List,

I believe Matteo used Helicon Focus.  There are others, too.  Somewhere out
there there is a good comparison of several.

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Matteo should be able to answer that because it was him
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show Dates Link

[Kashuba]

This site is more comprehensive.

http://www.tucsonshowguide.com/tsg/

John Kashuba
Ontario, California


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Tucson show Start Feb 5 2008, ends 14th
Here's a link

http://www.tucsongemshowguide.com/

Keith
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - October 2, 2007

[Kashuba]

Walter,

Thank you for the question.  You are familiar with a lot of this but let me
go over it once quickly.

A thin section is a slice of rock attached to a glass slide.  The sample is
ground and polished flat and to a uniform thickness.  The standard thickness
is 0.03mm.  Various optical and other tests may be done on it in this form.


Today's Picture of the Day is of a thin section of Andi Gren's The Needle
chondrite, named for the long stringers of metal in it.  The slide was
photographed under a microscope in cross polarized transmitted light.  That
is, light from below passed through a linear polarizing filter (these things
have orientation) then through the thin section then through another
polarizing filter set ninety degrees to the other, up through the microscope
and into the camera.

The picture is of a portion of a barred olivine chondrule.  Chondrules are
generally spherical meteorite components of debated origin.  When they were
formed they were partially or wholly molten.  Some show evidence of having
gone through multiple stages of accretion, melting, breaking, joining and
thermal and aqueous alteration.

Barred olivine chondrules are believed to have been fully molten and rapidly
cooled.  On cooling the olivine in simple BO chondrules, like this one,
formed a single large skeletal crystal inside the solidified spherical
droplet and included the shell of the chondrule.  The internal skeletal
crystal is a set of parallel plates, shaped rather like the flat tubing in
radiators that carry steam or water.  When we slice through one of these
spheres the cut plates appear as bars, the vertical pieces Walter mentions.
The material between the bars is material sequestered while the olivine
organized itself.  It is feldspathic in composition and begins in a glassy
state.  With heat it becomes cloudy and even crystalline as its atoms become
organized.

The color gradation from left to right is probably due to a very slight
change in thickness of the sample as Bernd and Marc say.  It wouldn't take
much.  Would anyone out there consider that it could be from a slight change
in the orientation of portions of the crystal across its width?  This is a
big ol' thing.  Just the portion pictured is probably over three millimeters
across.

All the best,

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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2, 2007

Thanks Michael,

And thank-you Andi and John.

Okay, I admit I know nothing about thin sections.  Someone educate me.

What are the vertical pieces that sort of remind me of mitochondria in a 
cell?

What does the horizontal color gradient indicate?

-Walter Branch

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Re: [meteorite-list] Dhofar 908 3-lithology photo

[Kashuba]

Norbert and List,

Here is my entry in the multi lithology photo sharing.  Another NWA 2727
slice and a portion of a thin section.

http://www.johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/NWA2727Lunar.htm

All the Best,

- John

John Kashuba
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Hi Dave, and All,

No need to be sorry - NWA  is another great example of a lunar with
three lithologies, and it's also kind of a missing link between other
paired stones:

http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/NWA-2.092g.jpg 

If you just had a stone displaying the ol-phyric basaltic lithology only,
such as NWA 3160...

http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/NWA3160-1.050g.jpg 

...and another stone that consisted entirely of olivine-gabbro, such as NWA
2977...

http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/NWA2977-2.890g.jpg 

...you would hardly notice that you are dealing with potentially paired
stones if it wasn't for these multi-lithology samples such as NWA 2727:

http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/NWA2727-3.36g.jpg 

For more detailed information please visit Randy Korotev's great page at:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa0773.htm 

Enjoy!
Norbert

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-

  Sorry to intrude on your discussion once again on
Dho 908 and also changing the subject a bit, but I
think one of my favorite lunar slices has to be NWA
 that Norbert has on his web site. Seems to me
from my uneducated eye, that this particular lunar
slice has more than one lithologies, but I`m probably
wrong. Can we get an explanation on this one to extend
this fascinating subject a while longer and possibly a
photo for everyone to see?
  Dave

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Re: [meteorite-list] Marcin's CH3 chondrite

[Kashuba]

Bernd, David, Marcin and List,

This IS a fun rock.  There is a lot to see and you KNOW that it has gone
through a lot of processing before it got into our hands.  Large chondrules
formed somewhere, got broken then mixed with small perfect chondrules.
Phyllosilicates were aqueously altered elsewhere then incorporated as dense
lumps in this otherwise dry blend. (But do I see just a little bleaching on
a couple RP/C chondrules?  Tell me if you see any.)  

I snapped a few pictures to show this meteorite's texture and variety. 

http://www.johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/NWA4781CH3.htm

Regards,

- John

John Kashuba
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Hello List,

I would like to direct your attention to Marcin's latest acquisition: NWA
4781,
a rare and unique addition to the exotic group of CH chondrites (see David
Weir's excellent website for more information on the CH-clan!). The NWA
number
is still provisional but will soon be official. This unique chondrite has
been
classified by two (!) different labs and both David and I had the pleasure
to
study pictures of this significant Hot Desert find before it was offered
to
the collecting community.

Right now there are only six CH chondrites worldwide:

Açfer 182 / 207 / 214 / 366 - Allan Hills 85085 and: NWA 4781

.. so I think that Marcin's $/gram price for such
an ultrarare meteorite is more than very attractive:

http://www.polandmet.com/_nwa4781.htm

I've taken pictures of my 1.184-gram endcut (magnification:16x and 32x)
just in case any potential buyers are interested in seeing its tiny
chondrules
(average mean diameter ca. 0.1 mm) up close.

Best wishes from the proud owner
of 1 + 1.184 grams of NWA 4781.

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Disappointing meteorite purchases

[Kashuba]

Alex, Jan and List,

The flow from Germany to me here on the US west coast has been good.  Today
I got a package from Carsten Gießler five days after he mailed it and a
couple weeks ago it was also five days for a package from Knut Metzler.
Life is good.

- John 

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Disappointing meteorite purchases

 Funny part is that since we are close neighbours to Germany we (I) never
 had any troubles in receiving mail from the U.S. It just takes about a
 week or so to arive.

It´s not the geographical neighbourhood from Germany to the Netherlands here
in ´ol Europe, where everything seems to be so closely together from a U.S.
perspective from the other side of the pond, Jan, in fact it´s just our very
own customs and bureaucracy! Though there seems to be no general rule to it.
I had recent global priority mail coming in here right on time, but then
again every now and then I experience week-long delays, while you are
waiting and waiting and waiting... and never ever hear a word from your
customs, where the specimen of your desire have most likely been set on
temporary arrest. No fun - neither for the seller nor for the customer, but
once you know these things can happen you should be aware of the situation,
and should not be too frustrated early on with ideas of specimen-loss, on
both sides of the line. They will (hopefully, and mostly do) finally arrive!
:-)

Alex
Berlin/Germany  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion crusts on stony meteorites

[Kashuba]

Michael, Darren, Jim and list,

I agree with Jim on this.  My slice of the same stone has fragments set in a
clearly bubbly melt.  I suggest that this accumulated on the back side of
the stone during oriented flight.  Check out my pictures:

http://www.johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/NWA2826LL5.htm


Regards,

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Hi Mike and Darren,

I probably would have had that response too without the benefit of turning
these over in my hands and looking at them in 3 dimensions. I'm 99% sure
that if you held these in your hands, and especially if you looked at them
under the microscope, you would conclude the black areas are crust. This
scan of reverse side of the 28 gram slide may be more convincing:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/NWA2826LL528gmMarcinCima
lareversecl.jpg

I also made an oblique photo of the other slice which shows the contiguity
of the area with the fragments(lower right hand corner of the top photo,
lower hand corner left of the lower photo) with the rest of the crust.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/NWA282648gmobliqueview-1
.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/NWA282648gmobliqueviewre
verse-1.jpg

However, I'm sure I have about a thousandth the expertise of either of you
so I could well be off base.

Best wishes,
Jim

 I agree, I dont think that it is fusion crust, more
 likely a brecciated section on the edge of the
 meteorite.
 Michael Farmer
 --- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:58:51 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:

 Hello Berndt et al.,
 
 I thought you and the list members might find
 interesting a phenomenon
 that was shown to me by Marcin Cimala. In cutting
 an LL5 he found areas
 where thick crust had built up and actually
 incorporated within the crust
 small angular fragments of relatively unaltered
 meteorite. Here are scans
 of a slice I obtained from Marcin:
 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/NWA2826LL528gmMarcinCi
mala.jpg
 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/NWA2826LL528gmMarcinCi
malacloseup.jpg
 
 I assume that these fragments were dislodged late
 in flight while the
 crust was still liquid but too late to be melted or
 thermally altered.

 I would think that is just a darker clast in the
 rock that happened to be only
 on the outer edge of that slice.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Just this morning I mailed David a check for an Estherville Mesosiderite 
thin section.

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:03 AM
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I wonder if there is anyone out there who has collected all those price 
lists that David New used to send to his customers via airmail - which 
happened in the pre-internet times, of course. I would have to dig in my old 
files to still find a few of them, but may be someone out there has a more 
complete collection of the lists, with David´s very unique description of 
his offered pieces, superb always being top choice! :-) Bernd, I know you 
have many, if not all of these in your archives, at least for as long as you 
collect meteorites... These lists, if they were scanned and somehow made 
available via the net, would be a great show example of how things were in 
the later second half of the last century - I would even call it sort of 
cultural heritage with respect to the meteorite business.

I loved to communicate with David over many years, until he somehow 
disappeared from the (active) dealer scene and even in more recent times on 
a more private basis, and I hope he is still around at good health together 
with his wife Margaret. In the early Ninetees I once visited him at his home 
in Anacortes, Washington. A real gentleman, and great guy! PS: btw he was 
the first one to offer meteoritic thin sections to a wider public, and I am 
proud that most of my 150+ specimens have gone through his hands.

Alex
Berlin/Germany

 Original-Nachricht 
Datum: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:41:13 +0100
Von: Zelimir Gabelica [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite

 Hello Bernd, Gary, list

 I completely agree with Bernd regarding the aesthetics of Forestburg (b).
 I was lucky enough to acquire a 315 g complete slice in the old good times
 (1995) when such beauties were available here and there and their gram
 prices quite affordable. David New was, at that time, such a person, one
 of
 the most expertized meteorite dealers, a man full of knowledge, fairness,
 kindness and respect towards collectors. Bernd should not contradict me.
 Regarding that slice of Forestburg (b), David told me one day something
 like Zelimir, if you are a true collector, you must take that one. It
 was
 not listed for sale but rather a specific offer from David for a
 beginner-collector and friend. And, believe me, he did not push the sale
 for some profit as David first wanted our satisfaction.
 In this case, mine was reached beyond all my expectations and I agreed to
 get it without even having a preliminary idea of its aspect, except a
 short
 description, because I just trusted my friend.

 I have no pictures on hand to show you but here is a summary of its
 characteristics.
 It is a 150 x 70 mm full slice, 15 mm thick. Both sides are neatly
 polished
 and show a black pattern, full of metal (Fe-Ni) spots, grains and islets,
 along with some schreibersite patches. It nicely contrasts with the thick
 red-brown crust well visible all around and carrying a painted number M
 148.1b (Monnig collection at TCU).
 I don't remember having noticed any greenish inclusion (as, e.g., in
 Belle
 Plaine or Lahoma, to cite 2 other meteorites that involve such
 inclusions ) but will check this later for sure.
 Needless to say this slice remains as one of my collection master pieces.

 The conclusion of this example is that sometimes one does not necessarily
 need some rare meteorite type to appreciate an odd pattern and that
 sometimes a simple L5 or H6 can offer some extraordinary fairy-like
 picture. I understand how Gary and Bernd did appreciate their acquisition
 of Forestburg (b).
 The other, and perhaps even more rewarding conclusion is that you can
 sometimes get the best of the best by just trusting a genuine friend and
 his expertise, if you are lucky enough to know such a person. And I am
 sure
 such people are certainly still numerous around us, within our
 listthey
 should recognize themselves...

 Best wishes,

 Zelimir


 A 21:46 07/01/2007 +, vous avez écrit :
 Hello Gary and List,
 
   I just received and photographed this very nice slice of Forestburg
 (b)
   from the Hupe Collection...and this one is just beautiful  Shock stage
   S5, weathering grade W1; the chondrite is shock blackened and contains
   impact melt clasts.
 
 If you want to take a look it is here:
 
 http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/forestburg2-6.html
 
 Congratulations, Gary! Excellent choice!
 
 Anyone who hasn't seen this beauty yet, should do so. Like Gary, I am one
 of the happy
 owners of a beautiful Forestburg (b) slice. Forestburg (b) is much more
 handsome than
 Forestburg

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

A timely cartoon - Frank  Ernest, January 6, 2007

http://www.dilbert.com/comics/franknernest/archive/


- John 

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Re: [meteorite-list] Some great thin section photos: Begga, Allende,Lance, Kapoeta, more

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Jeff, Jim, tett and List,

Thanks for sharing.  I particularly like the compound chondrules.  And, of 
course, the Kapoeta Howardite is great.  I took a few compound chondrule 
pictures and put them here - there are two pages:

http://www.johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Topics/CompoundChondrules.htm

And here's Great Sand Sea 010 Howardite.
http://www.johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/GreatSandSea010Howardite.html

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Some great thin section photos: Begga, 
Allende,Lance, Kapoeta, more




Hello All,

 Just thought I would share a few of my better thin
section photos with the list as well.  My photography
skills are getting a little better and some of these
photos are actually pretty good.  I am always looking
for fellow thin section freaks to correspond with.

 Begga
 Allende
 Lance
 Murchison
 Kapoeta  Special piece from King Collection  (look
and you will see why this is special)
 NWA 2976 with relic plagioclase grains
 more...


http://new.photos.yahoo.com/album?c=hodgjtaid=576460762333192206pid=wtok=0RJzde17qVEMJvNxYm1.dA--ts=1162483362.src=ph#page1

 Enjoy,

 Jeff

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Re: [meteorite-list] Who will be at Costa Mesa?

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Nick,



I expect it will be pretty lean, particularly since it's the weekend right 
after Munich.  The Carions used to come sometimes but I see that Alain, at 
least, will be in Paris presenting at a conference during Costa Mesa.  The 
Killgores' website mentions Denver but nothing else.




Bob Jackson (Riverside) and I will be there first thing Friday as usual, 
drinking coffee next door at McDonalds waiting for the show to open.




- John



John Kashuba

Ontario, California



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Subject: [meteorite-list] Who will be at Costa Mesa?



Does anyone know what meteorite dealers will be at Costa Mesa?
Sadly, it seems there are fewer and fewer every year...
I'll probably go down on Friday.
Nick

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Re: [meteorite-list] Encyclopedia of Meteorites : New features

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Pierre-Marie,

Why do you ask people to register to look at the information?

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Encyclopedia of Meteorites : New features



Hello to the List,

I'm happy to announce major improvements to the
Encyclopedia of Meteorite web :
- members can modify their account profile
- members can create a pseudonym so they can be
anonymous
- statistics of your collection
- statistics for each country

If you're not already a member, register now, it's
free !

Regards,

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[meteorite-list] Re: Encyclopedia of Meteorites : New features

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Pierre-Marie,

It's clear that registration is free.  And you ask for contributibutions, 
which is fine. And you need passwords for people to work on their accounts 
which is certainly necessary. What I'm wondering why you want information on 
people before you allow them to view the Encyclopedia.


- John
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Hello John,

I don't understand your question.

Registered members can modify their own account, edit
datas and create a pseudonym. It was not possible
before and was asked by several members.

For non members, I just wrote they can register as
it's free, to enjoy the Encyclopedia...

Registration is necessary in the website so that a
member can't modify or delete the information of
another member. It's always necessary when you program
a website with a database behind. Security is
important.  I don't sell the information if it's what
you think about ?

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Re: [meteorite-list] LUNAR THIN SECTIONS

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Well, he's got it laid out nicely.

- John

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Subject: [meteorite-list] LUNAR THIN SECTIONS



Hi, All,

   Fans of thin section photos may have already 
found this website, but if not, you should take

a look at:
http://www.union.edu/PUBLIC/GEODEPT/COURSES/petrology/moon_rocks/

   A very large number of Lunar thin sections, nicely
photographed by Kurt Hollocher of Union College in 
Schenectady, NY.


   Beautiful stuff.


Sterling K. Webb

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Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin 'Impact Pit' Pics

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Jason and List,

Thanks for sharing. I like 
craters. Here you may see a really 
small Franconia 
iron with nice craters that the finder was so kind to let me have:

http://www.johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Topics/FranconiaIronCratered.htm

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, 
California

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  From: 
  Jason 
  Utas 
  To: Meteorite-list 
  Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 8:43 PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin 
  'Impact Pit' Pics
  
  Hello All, 
  
  After a bit of work on his part, and no fewer than 
  thirty-seven emails that did or didn't get to wherever they were supposed to 
  go (we may never know what gets lost within the bowels of the internet...), 
  Jeff Kuyken was able to get a number of pics of cratered Sikhotes up onto his 
  site. 
  
  They're of seven Sikhote-Alins inour collection 
  (viz., my father's and my collection), which display pits on leading edges, 
  trailing edges, non-oriented irons, and in a fairly wide range of sizes. 
  
  Enjoy!
  
  
  
  7.9g
  Oriented.
  Crater on trailing edge.
  Diameter of crater is 3mm with a depth of 
  ~1.5mm.
  Upraised rim, and small bump visible in the bottom of 
  the pit itself.
  
  http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/sa1.jpg 
  
  
  
  
  
  54.6g
  Not oriented.
  Crater is approximately2.5mm across and about 
  2mm deep.Upraised rim.
  http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/sa5.jpg
  
  
  77.7g
  Not oriented.
  Craterhas a2mm diameter and a 1/2mm 
  depth.
  Clear upraised rim.
  Secondbest crater of the 
  lot.
  http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/sa3.jpghttp://www.meteorites.com.au/images/sa7.jpg
  
  
  17.9g
  Not oriented.
  Crater is 3mm in diameter and ~1.5-2mm 
  deep.
  Thinupraised rim.http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/sa4.jpg http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/sa6.jpg
  
  
  21.6g
  Not oriented.
  At least 5+mm in diameter and 4mm deep.
  Large rim, up to 1mm thick on one 
  side.http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/sa8.jpg
  
  
  47.4g
  Oriented
  Crater on the leading edge.
  The crater is 2.5mm in diameter and 1.5mm deep. 
  
  Big rim, by far the best crater of the 
  lot.http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/sa9.jpg http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/sa10.jpg 
  
  http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/sa12.jpg
  
  
  
  101.2g
  
  Oriented, crater just off dead-center on the leading 
  edge.
  
  Diameter = 4mm
  Depth = 2mm
  Upraised rim, small bump in the centerof the 
  floor of the crater, visible even in this wide-shot.http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/sa11.jpg
  
  And here's a picture of all of the Sikhotes together; 
  the order from left to right, back row to front. 
  3, 2, 1, 
  6, 5, 4,
  7
  http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/sa2.jpg
  
  Best Regards,
  Jason
  
  

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Re: Re-3: [meteorite-list] Best ALH84001 Meteorite Book

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

List,

More thin section pictures you (might have already seen) of NWA 998 
Nakhlite:

http://www.johnkashuba.com/Ach_NWA_998_Nakhlite.html

And d'Orbigney Angrite:
http://www.johnkashuba.com/Ach_D'Orbigny_Angrite.html

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California
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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:44 AM
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Hello list,

(Subliminal Message: I like thin sections)

Jim Strope noted: Why bother dreaming about ALH84001 when you can have 
the next best thing...NWA 998 ( http://www.nwa998.com/ ):


(Subliminal Message: Thin sections are fun to collect)

Bernd replied: It's a meteorite that will leave you breathless and the 
16x thin section picture I took under crossed polars rivals the colors you 
see when viewing ureilites, angrites, acapulcoites, and other achondritic 
beauties with polars crossed.


(Subliminal Message: I want to collect Thin sections.)

NWA 998 is one of my favorite meteorite thin sections. (It was my 
favorite, but now I think I like my D'Orbigney better.)  A few old and not 
that great photographs of the meteorite thin section can be seen here.


http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colnwa998.html

(Subliminal Message: I am going to buy Thin sections.)

Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick
www.meteoritearticles.com


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Re: [meteorite-list] Acapulcoites and NWA 725

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Bernd,



I don't mind at all.  I think I'm with you wishing I could lean over the 
'scope and think Ah, yes, heat and time makes crystals grow and chondrules 
disappear.  Metal migrates and other stuff does too.  And thereby progress 
in an orderly way from chondrites through these primitive achondrites. 
Unfortunately, it looks like there is more to it than that.  In 
Discrimination of Acapulcoites and Lodranites from Winonaites Rumble et al. 
state:




Combined petrological and oxygen isotopic analyses of five Northwest African 
primitive achondrites . . .  have clarified the relationships among 
acapulcoites, lodranites and winonaites. It would not be possible to 
properly classify some specimens in these groups using their mineral 
compositions alone . . .  .




http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2005/pdf/5138.pdf



To say nothing of mere appearances.



I don't know what to think about Marvin's NWA 1054 Winonaite.  Matteo points 
out that NWA 1054 is an acapulcoite.  Further, I don't see the abundant 120° 
triple junctions mentioned in the descriptions of NWA 1054.  To me it looks 
a lot like NWA 725 (Tissemoumine).




The differences I see under the microscope aren't very subtle.  Nor are they 
orderly.  Please see these examples.  The fields of view are all the same, 
three and a half millimeters from left to right.




http://www.johnkashuba.com/Ach%20Acapulcoites_and_Winonaites.html



Regards,



- John



John Kashuba

Ontario, California

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I'm must be missing something. What could one conclude by comparing thin
sections of NWA 725 and a known winonaite? I understand that 
distinguishing
among acapulcoites, lodranites and winonaites is not a textural exercise 
nor

can they be resolved by just their mineral composition.


Hello John and List,

I thought other list members might also be interested in this thread,
so I hope you don't mind me sending this mail to the List as well.

No, you are not missing anything. Hand samples of acapulcoites, lodranites 
and
winonaites look pretty much the same tan color (at least to me). Only the 
micro-
scope will reveal their subtle textural differences and only a thin 
section in
polarized light will show mineralogical differences or differences in 
grain size.


Unortunately I still don't have a thin section of an acapulcoite but the 
one pictured
in Marvin Killgore's Color Atlas of Meteorites in Thin Section on pages 
208-211
(Acapulco) surely looks different than the winonaite on pages 232-235 (NWA 
1054).


Something readily noticed is grain-size: The grains in winonaites are 
usually smaller
than in acapulcoites. I know, unfortunately their grain sizes overlap as a 
comparative
overview on p. 252 of Hutchison (Meteorites: A Petrologic, Chemical, and 
Isotopic Syn-
thesis ) shows. To make matters even worse: almost all cited properties 
overlap :-(


Maybe the amount of troilite in NWA 725 could help here. According to 
Hutchison,

acapulcoites have 3-6 vol% FeS whereas winoaites have 1-19 %.

The mineral composition of NWA 725 may also be useful in determining 
whether it
is a winonaite or an acapulcoite. Olivine Fo and orthopyroxene En have 
(slightly)

higher values in winonaites, and the same is valid for plagioclase An.

Unfortunately both acapulcoites and winonaites can have relict chondrules, 
so this
doesn't help either. But what may help is the fact that winonaites are 
more depleted
in 16-O and so plot closer to the terrestrial fractionation line than 
acapulcoites.


Well, you are right ... a thin section will not disclose such information 
so I can
only repeat what I already mentioned above: grain size and visual 
appearance of thin
sections of winonaites and acapulcoites - they just look different to me 
and Hutchison

also states:

The winonaites are texturally similar to acapulcoites, but the winonaites 
contain

coarser grains and abundant crosscutting metal-sulfide veins.

So, maybe, the grain size of NWA 725 visible under the microscope does 
hold a clue ...



Cheers,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Here are some quick thin section pictures of NWA 2871 Acapulcoite (NWA 2989, 
2656, 2714, 2866, 2699).


http://www.johnkashuba.com/Ach_NWA_2871_Acapulcoite.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Friends page photos

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

to boot  adv phr fr 1000s [fr Old English, as profit]

New Dictionary of American Slang - Robert L. Chapman, Ph.D.


John Kashuba
Ontario, California


- Original Message - 
From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Friends page photos



Greetings all,
   Another 10 photos and 2 upgrades are now up on the Meteorite
Friends page. This was quite a haul, with several hard to get and much
requested people finally showing up. A special thanks goes to Martin
Horejsi who, besides for submitting his own photo, was interacting in
person with Ron Baalke and managed to get permission for me by proxy
AND even took a completely current photo of Ron to boot (anyone know
the origin of to boot?).
   In addition, the ever elusive Mexico Doug who does not care for
that moniker by the way, can now be seen - complete with el cabesa
de un Vaca Muerta. Since he does not care for his list name (it is only
because of his email ID, which seamed better than something like
doug897) said nickname is not indicated, but you will have no trouble
finding him. 
   We also now have a good many European list members up. We are

a diverse, handsome and in some cases, beautiful group, so, if
you haven't visited in a while, you might want to go to:

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html
   
   I still try to look up some people posting to the list who haven't

sent in a  jpg yet, so, please don't keep us in suspense, send 'm in.
   Best wishes, Michael
   



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Re: AW: [meteorite-list] dong qinqin je and fukang

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Mark, Michael and List,

It was Lot 8084, 910 grams with an estimate of $18,000 to $22,000.

http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USAscreen=lotdetailsNoFlashiSaleItemNo=2651951iSaleNo=13327sServer=http://images2.bonhams.com/sPath=2005-10/10/7153424-48-1.jpg#

It does not show on the Sale Results page.

http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USAscreen=ResultsXMLiSaleNo=13327

Bob Jackson and I handled the slice at the preview.  It was very heavily 
coated.  On the back side at one edge there was a small area of 
discoloration that might have been rust creeping along under the clear coat. 
Do we know yet if this is a ruster?


John Kashuba
Ontario, California

- Original Message - 
From: Mark Rexburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] dong qinqin je and fukang


I wonder why it did not sell at Butterfields, where movie stars attend 
auctions?  If I remember correctly it was estimated to sell at $20 per 
gram. I wonder how high the highest bid was, since it did not meet reserve?


Mark



From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mark Rexburg 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] dong qinqin je and fukang
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:33:08 -0700

It did not sell. It was poorly prepared and overpriced.
Michael Farmer
- Original Message - From: Mark Rexburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: AW: [meteorite-list] dong qinqin je and fukang


How much did the piece that was in Butterfields auction earlier this 
month sell for?  I think it was about a Kilogram but I lost the link that 
was posted.


Mark



From: Andreas Gren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] dong qinqin je and fukang
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:26:33 +0100

Hi List, Hi Marcin,

there were slices at Eger Spacrocks and one Table with 8-12 pieces in 
the

500 to 1000 g range, don't remember the seller.

Regards
Andi

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von 
Marcin

Cimala
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Dezember 2005 12:31
An: M come Meteorite Meteorites; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] dong qinqin je and fukang

 where is this 900 kg. of this pallasite, for the
 moment I have seen only 3-4 slices for salein
 Munich many have say not have seen any piece of this
 pallasite.

 Matteo

this time I must agree with Matteo.
I not see any piece of Fukang in Munich. Some of people I know also 
first

time hear about this fact from this list emails. So or this pieces was
under table material not for our eyes or we should look for meteorites
also on non marrocan-tables.
But if there is 900kg and Tucson will be swamped with it so why Munich 
was

not swamped with it ?
So who saw any Fukang in Munich ? Any photos ? How much pieces was there 
?


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Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from here now! Thank you!

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

JK and List,

I LIKE the (legitimate) advertisements.  It's good to know when new material 
is available.  In the August number of Meteorite magazine Norbert Classen 
mentions how, late one night, an email on this list from John and Dawn 
Birdsell led him to one of the gems of his already fantastic collection.  I 
look forward to sales postings by Stefan Ralew, Sergey Vasiliev, Norm 
Lehrman, Anne Black, Lars Pedersen and others in addition to Bessey, Farmer 
and the Hupés, all of whom I buy from.


John Kashuba
Ontario, California

- Original Message - 
From: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from here now! 
Thank you!




Dave and List,
I know how you feel Dave. But, while I see Steve Arnold #2 as being a 
substantial problem on the List, he isn't the only problem.


A couple of weeks ago I sent a personal email to Art expressing some of my 
own frustrations and told him I was thinking about leaving the List. What 
I'd really like to see is for the Meteorite List to regain it's focus on 
meteorites and get rid of all of the AD posts including all of the 
reminders about Ebay auctions along with all of the other off topic 
posts.  I know I'm not the only one who is frustrated because I receive 
lots of commiserating private mail from people after I speak up like I did 
early today.  Maybe I should join ranks with my buddy Dave and take a 
stand towards cleaning up the Meteorite List.  Getting rid of a habitual 
offender would be a good start.


Does anyone else share my opinion or are you content to leave the list the 
way it is?


Regards,

JKGwilliam

At 09:35 PM 8/2/2005, DNAndrews wrote:
Art, please delete either I or Steve Arnold (Chicago) from this list. 
I will gladly be the sacrificial lamb in this case.  I haven't missed a 
Tucson show in 8 years, but I think I'll be skipping it from now on in the 
futurethanks to SSteve.  I have no desire to associate with this 
person there or anywhere else for that matter... either electronically or 
or in person.  He has done nothing but damage this great hobby of ours. 
If you choose me, I will be grateful as I won't have to open up and 
actually read all these messages that I delete day in, day out.  I will 
still continue on my meteorite hunting trips and my  true friends know how 
to get in touch me for those REAL meteorite hunts. To put it mildly, I'm 
sure some will be relieved to see me go.
But, since SSteve came around, Tucson just isn't the same anymore. Some 
newbie buffoon that sez he's been around since 1999yeah...right!

Count me out.  I mean it!

So, you choose ArtSSteve or meit won't really hurt me feelings if 
it is me.  Really!  (If I change my mind, I can just change my identity 
like Matteo anyways).

Dave

Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote:

Good evening list.This is the 3rd time I have tried to post on 
yahoogroups

for meteorites,and nothing.I wish I new what the problem is.Anyway I have
added more items to my meteorite sale and will extend the half off till
sunday the 7th.Just go to my website and look under the sale pages.Sorry
for this, but I would like to know why my posts do not go thru on
yahoogroups.

steve

Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120

Illinois Meteorites,Ltd!


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Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Chris and others,

Pluto has not been referred to as a planet for centuries .

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

- Original Message - 
From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet


Not at all. There is a difference between the public misusing something 
that already has a formal definition (meteor), and the scientific 
establishment adopting a new definition for a word that has been used in a 
certain way for centuries (planet)- a definition at odds with how the word 
is now used.


I say come up with a new word. Then the planets are, and always will be, 
what they are now- the nine bodies from Mercury to Pluto. And scientists 
won't have to spend the next 100 years qualifying what they mean by planet 
every time they talk with the lay public.


Chris

*
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


- Original Message - 
From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Dawn  Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet


On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:47:39 -0400, Dawn  Gerald Flaherty 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Yeah, by the same give up on defining a planet because a planet is what 
the general public says it
is logic, we might as well start calling meteorites meteors, because the 
general public tends to
call meteorites meteors.  Or we should accept that apes are monkeys, 
because the general public
calls them monkeys.  Or that pterasaurs are flying dinosaurs, because the 
general public calls them

flying dinosaurs.

I say come up with a reasonable definition, and if that disagrees with 
what the general public

thinks, then tell the general public to go sit on a bunsen burner.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - July 29, 2005

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Martin, Bernd and List,

Here is another portion of the molten sky.  I got it from Stefan Ralew in 
Berlin.


http://www.johnkashuba.com/NWA_2902_L_chondrite_impact_melt.html

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

- Original Message - 
From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - July 
29,2005




Hi Bernd,

my favourite metaphoric meteorite for the night sky is El Kachla,
myriads of metal flakes from the tiniest speck to large 1 mag blobs in a
bottomless black matrix.
Not randomly squirted, but in dynamic streams around silent islands

Quiet Doug, it's not an AD, I'm sold out. Perhaps me ask Uncle Twelker for
some more.
Here a not even find pic, which doesn't show the brilliance of this melt 
at

FectayBidaut (which should have still quite an amount):
http://www.meteorite.fr/en/images/forsale/ElKachla.jpg

Buckleboo!
Martin

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 9:35 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - July 29,
2005



http://www.spacerocksinc.com/July29.html

.. as if you were looking at our Milky Way under a perfectly
dark, absolutely pollution-free sky. Thanks for sharing it!

BTW, which  W e l l m a n  is it? Wellman (a, b, c, d, e)?

Best wishes,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - D'Orbigny thin sections

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

List,

I got one of these d'Orbigny thin sections from E.T. and I'm thrilled.  It 
is a generous size and super quality.  I took some pictures of it that you 
may view here:


http://www.johnkashuba.com/Ach_D'Orbigny_Angrite.html

Best Regards,

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

- Original Message - 
From: Edwin Thompson

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:17 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - D'Orbigny thin sections


Hi Folks, anyone searching for a large thin section of D'Orbigny please feel 
free to contact me privately. The specimen used for thin sectioning measured 
roughly 10 x 20mm. These are very fine thin sections, in fact the thin 
sections sold by Al Mitterling and David New came from me originally.

Cheers, Edwin



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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - April 15, 2005

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

That sure looks like the NWA 1648 Diogenite Polymict Breccia thin section I 
bought from Jeff Rowell last year.

http://www.johnkashuba.com/NWA%201648%20Diogenite%20-%20polymict%20breccia
John Kashuba
Ontario, California
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - April 15, 
2005


http://www.spacerocksinc.com/April15.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Gunlock Hype (???)

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

And there is Cocklebiddy, too.
John Kashuba
Ontario, California
- Original Message - 
From: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:34 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Gunlock Hype (???)


Just wondering what all the hype about Gunlock is for? It's limited 
availability to collectors, or because it has a cool name? However, 
Gunlock still doesn't beat Billy Goat Donga or Cockburn., or even Milly 
Milly or Millbillillie.

Ryan
-Original Message-
From: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Feb 14, 2005 8:53 PM
To: bob cucchiara [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad-Robert Haags collection pieces
Hey Bob,
You have one Ex-Haag piece I'm interested in.  Gunlockyou know...the
one that Windy Steve would never part with.
Let me know what you want for it.  I'm not kidding or poking fun at
anyone.  I'm serious.
Dave
bob cucchiara wrote:
I have 2 rare meteorite offerings from the collection of Bob Haag. I am
pleased to offer these to the Met list first and will be taking offers on
these pieces. The best offer received meeting my low reserve, which will 
not
be disclosed, will be awarded the piece. I will take offers for 7 days
ending on Sunday Feb. 20th at 6PM Pacific time. If the reserve is not met,
these pieces will either be offered on e bay or cut up. Both specimens 
will
come with an officially signed Robert Haag specimen card.


The 1st offering is a 618 gram rare quarter cut of Salla with 2 polished
faces and patches of fusion crust. This stone is strange as each of the
faces displays a completely different matrix. Salla was found in 1963.
L6-Low TKW of 5.833 Kg.  This piece comes from a Helsinki University trade
with what I believe to be a university # B5100 on it. This piece can be
viewed in the new Robert Haags Collection of Meteorites book on page 103 
or
his old field guide on page 45 as specimen #126.  Additional photos
available on request.


The 2nd offering is a 756 gram, fusion crusted, quarter cut end piece of 
the
rare Russian found Muslyumovo with 3 polished faces. H4-Low TKW of 10.58
Kg-Find 1964  This piece comes from a Russian academy of Sciences trade 
with
their cloth tag and specimen #J55I8.  This piece can be viewed in the new
Robert Haags Collection of Meteorites book on page 115 or is old field 
guide
on page 51 as specimen #154.  Additional photos available on request.


All offers or any further questions please e mail me off list..

Thank you
Bob Cucchiara
IMCA #1221
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Re: [meteorite-list] Provenance of NWA 773?

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Darren,
Contact Marvin Killgore:
http://www.meteorite-lab.com/
John Kashuba
Ontario, California
- Original Message - 
From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Provenance of NWA 773?

I meant 773, the new lunar, sorry.
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:24:54 -0500, Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Just wondering if it passed through the hands of anyone here, and if any of 
it will become available
for private collectors?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Let there be light, and let it be good!

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Dave,
I'd suggest that before buying or building anything fancy you experiment 
with a couple plain ol' incandescent or halogen table or desk lamps at the 
dining room table.  Set the camera for incandescent light and shoot.  You 
might find the results to be quite good.  Another point - flow lines and 
other surface features will usually show better if the light source is 
small, not large like a fluorescent bulb.

Just for fun, turn on your digital camera so the electronic viewing screen 
is operating.  Get your television remote controller, hold down one of the 
volume adjustment buttons and view the business end of the controller with 
the camera.  The camera sees the invisible infrared.

John Kashuba
Ontario, California
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To: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: John Gwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Let there be light, and let it be good!


David, there are plenty of bulbs out the that simulate natural day light.
Any photography supply store should have some. : )
Thanks, Tom
peregrineflier 
IMCA 6168
http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm
- Original Message -
From: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: John Gwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:42 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Let there be light, and let it be good!

Dear List;
It is basically winter here, and the best light I have is direct sun
light but alas, it is 0 outside with the wind chill, and it really gets
to be aggravating to run in and out with a rock and camera each time I
wish to click a picture/list a rock to sell.
We have had past discussions about lumens and the correct length of
light, and very expensive light bulbs.
I now have a Nikon Coolpix 3200 new digital whiz bang camera (and I
learned about it here, and highly recommend it to anyone).  It has a
setting for incandescent light, and fluorescent lighting.
Before I become a carpenter and get all excited (I do that you know),
would a pair of $10 fluorescent light tubes and a plywood box work for
indoor pictures until spring can get here?  Can I save a great deal of
agony by asking the oh-wise-multitude here before I get out the hammer
and saw?
My picture quality can be seen on eBay at mjwy user IDthe yellow
color is from the decreased direct sunlight coming in the window.
Thank you all for any thoughts...I need enlightened drastically!
Best,
Dave Freeman
mjwy with auctions running crazy.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rumurutite Kakangarite

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Dear List,
Here is a portion of my thin section of Ouzina R4.
http://www.johnkashuba.com/TS%20Ouzina%20R4.html
John Kashuba
Ontario, California
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Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:06 AM
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This meteorite (Nwa 3098) looks a lot like some material I have...NWA 
1774.

NWA 1774
R3.8 - 6  (not R5)
714 g TKW
Found 2002
I have some NWA 1774 and a thin section for sale if anyone is interested.
JD

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G'day Bernd  Francesco,
Ah yes. What a beauty NWA 3098 is! It is also this month's favourite at 
my
site. There is a pic of the meteorite at the below link. Very interesting
meteorite!

http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/favourite.html
Cheers,
Jeff Kuyken
I.M.C.A. #3085
www.meteorites.com.au

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Francesco wrote:
 Why on the classification page the R and K meteorite are
 Chondrite and just 6 pages after them become Achondrite?
 Maybe I misunderstood something?
Francesco, Rumurutiites and Kakangariites are clearly chondritic.
Let's take the LEW 87232 Kakangari-type Antarctic meteorite. The
thin section does show chondrules and chondrule fragments.
As for the R-chondrites, although the lower types have relatively
few chondrules, they do have them. Ouzina (R4) is even said to have
abundant barred olivine and porphyritic chondrules. I don't have any
Ouzina, so I can't tell.
My NWA 3098 slice from Stefan Ralew also shows several chondrules
even though it is an R5.
Best wishes,
Bernd
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Re: [meteorite-list] Dhofar 979 ureilite

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

David, Mike and List,
Here are a couple pictures of a part of a 1.5 gram part slice I got from 
Mike.

http://www.johnkashuba.com/Ach_Dhofar%20979%20Ureilite.html
John Kashuba
Ontario, California
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Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 12:14 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dhofar 979 ureilite


Hi Mike and list,
I for one am struck by the texture of this new ureilite, and I can't
really figure out what I'm seeing. Under a scope with incident light my
19mm x 14mm x 2mm, 2.03 gram part slice is composed of virtually 100%
clear to yellowish, translucent to glassy, sub-mm to mm-sized silicates,
which allow for an almost see-thru quality (how's that for a David
New-like description :) I don't observe any matrix or opaque veins that
are typical in most ureilites. This appearance is very weird for a
ureilite, at least to the inexperienced petrologist (me!). I am very
curious to read Ted's description for this one when it's available -
maybe some other list members have also purchased some of this ureilite
and can share their thoughts about it - Bernd?  If not may I highly
recommend this one as a unique ureilite, and that I concur with what Ted
Bunch told Mike about its being maybe unique. An understatement I
think. Mike please pass along any information as you receive it.
David
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Re: [meteorite-list] Which one came closest?

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Quite a few people live in Los Angeles.
John Kashuba
Ontario, California
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Dear Anne, List;
Well I think that the meteorite that has been found closest to my backyard 
is the Rock Springs, that same name is the town that I live in!  How many 
people live in the same town that has a meteorite named after it?
Dave F.

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Hello everyone,
Since the List is very quiet tonight..
I was chatting with an ex-List member earlier today about the newest 
Colorado meteorite, probably an eucrite. And I noticed that the meteorite 
that fell (was found) closest to where I am from is also an eucrite: 
Bouvante.

Do you know which meteorite came closest to your backyard?
Anne M. Black
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ureilite Origins

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Bernd and List,
Aside from the origin of ureilites, it appears that traces of chondrules are 
found in polymict ureilites and are probably from impactors - like the 
chondrules sometimes found in howardites.  See Mr. Weir's page on DaG 319. 
I might be lucky enough to have a thin section of DaG 319 that contains a 
chondrule.  Tell me what you think.

http://www.johnkashuba.com/Ach_DaG_319_Ureilite_-_Polymict.html
Regards,
John  Kashuba
Ontario, California
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Ureilite Origins


They had to have been carbonaceous meteorites of some sort to begin
with, but the articles I've seen don't seem to offer a clear picture
of what they were like before they were shocked. CM, perhaps?

Hello Marc, Frédéric, and List,
Here is what I've harvested during the last few minutes:
Cyrena Anne Goodrich, Lunar and Planetary
Laboratory, University of Arizona
Invited Review - Ureilites: A critical review
(Meteoritics 27-4, 1992, pp. 327-352):
1) Nilpena contains clasts of carbonaceous chondrite matrix material.
  Detailed petrographic and mineralogic studies have shown that this
  material has close affinities to CI - and differs substantially from
  CM-matrix (Brearley and Prinz, 1989; 1992).
Frédéric, close affinities to CI would also explain why we do not find any
chondrules or relict chondrules in ureilites - there have never been any.
But, ... now look at this - it is from the same review by C.A. Goodrich:
2) CI-matrix clasts in Nilpena have an oxygen-isotope composition plotting
  on the extension of the Allende mixing line on the 17^O-rich side of the
  terrestrial fractionation line, rather than within the field of CI matrix
  compositions (Brearley and Prinz, 1992).
So the starting material may have been CI-   o r   CV-like. If it was 
CV-like, we
might really expect to find traces of chondrules or at least chondrule 
precursor
material.

Best wishes,
Bernd
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Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorite MIL 03346

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Bernd and List,

Thank you.
List members might want to view my photos of an NWA 998 thin section I got
from Michael Blood.

http://www.johnkashuba.com/Ach_NWA_998_Nakhlite.html

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorite MIL 03346


 New Martian Meteorite Found In Antarctica (MIL 03346)

Not only is it a new martian meteorite but it is also the
first  n a k h l i t e  from the US Antarctic icefields !

There are two nakhlites from the Yamato icefields and they
are probably paired: Yamato 000593 and Yamato 000749.

Can MIL 03346 be paired with Y-000593 and Y-000749? Probably
not, because the Yamato nakhlites do contain some olivine as
an accessory mineral whereas olivine was not observed in
MIL 03346, which is unusual for nakhlites.

I am really glad I was able to acquire 0.61 grams of the NWA 998
nakhlite from Jim Strope some time ago. Some list members will
remember that he offered a NWA 998 combo (thin section + meteorite).
The thin section is an aesthetic feast for the eyes under crossed polars:

- long augite prisms showing simple twinning
- some augite crystals showing zoning
- some augite crystals having a striated pattern
- a few iron-rich olivine crystals with purple rim zoning (= poorer in iron)
- colors, colors, colors!

For those of you who can access the German Meteorite List (Yahoo List)
and who can open the photo files, click on Dünnschliffe (= thin sections)
and you will find my thin section photo of NWA 998, a stunning cascade
of colors!

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] CV3 mania!

[mary kashuba]

Howard and List,

I can't help clear any of it up, but here is a 
picture of a slice of some of this great xxxmaterial I picked up in 
Tucson.

http://www.johnkashuba.com/images/NWA%20xxx%20CV3xb.jpg

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Howard Wu 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 8:11 
  PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] CV3 
mania!
  
  Hi List
  
  Speaking of CV3's, there seems to be a new CV3 offering everyother 
  day this week. All with gorgiously wild chondrites and inclusions of all 
  descriptions and different xxx or none at all. I can't keep up with them all. 
  Tired of more surprises. What is going on? Surely did one big fall hit 
  last year and there now just trickling in or are thesemany falls that 
  all have cool CAI's, etc.Will somebody who know what going on behind the 
  scene sort this one out for us poor buyers.
  
  Howard WuAdam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Dear 
List Members,We would like to draw your attention to a new CV3, NWA 
3118. This stunningmeteorite has a lot going for it including 
multi-colored chondrules, HugeCAIs and odd clasts. We loaded several 
inexpensive samples on ebay so thatcollectors can acquire some of this 
neat meteorite at near wholesale prices,some as low as $5.01 a gram for 
large specimens. Here are a few examples:Museum Quality with 3D 
chondrule:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2228530808category=3239Giant 
18mm 
Chondrule:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2228534822Do 
not forget to check out the NWA 1836, monomict cumulate eucrite and 
overa hundred other auctions we are running this week, as 
well.To see all of our auctions click on the link 
below:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoritelab/Thank you 
for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.Kind 
Regards,Adam and Greg HupeThe Hupe CollectionIMCA 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Books, Part II

[mary kashuba]

List,

I have an extracopy that I'll send for 
$20. It is a virtually new paperback version that it appears I paid $25 
for. I have a somewhat worn hardback with jacket that I got for $8 that 
I'm keeping so I'll share the bounty. Email me if you're 
interested.

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Walter 
  Branch 
  To: Meteorite Mailing List 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:00 
  PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite 
  Books, Part II
  
  Hello (again) everyone,
  
  I have gotten a lot of inquiries regarding the 
  title of Nininger's book and I apologize for not stating it in my prior 
  note. The title is Find a Falling Star.
  
  I also see that Mike and Bill Jensen list this 
  book among the inventory of books for sale for the same price as Donald Hahn 
  so if you need both, why not get them from the same person?
  
  -Walter
  --www.branchmeteorites.com

Fw: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Books, Part II

[mary kashuba]

List,

List member magellon has spoken for my extra 
copy.

Regards,

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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From: mary 
kashuba 
To: Meteorite Mailing List 

Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Books, Part II

List,

I have an extracopy that I'll send for 
$20. It is a virtually new paperback version that it appears I paid $25 
for. I have a somewhat worn hardback with jacket that I got for $8 that 
I'm keeping so I'll share the bounty. Email me if you're 
interested.

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Walter 
  Branch 
  To: Meteorite Mailing List 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:00 
  PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite 
  Books, Part II
  
  Hello (again) everyone,
  
  I have gotten a lot of inquiries regarding the 
  title of Nininger's book and I apologize for not stating it in my prior 
  note. The title is Find a Falling Star.
  
  I also see that Mike and Bill Jensen list this 
  book among the inventory of books for sale for the same price as Donald Hahn 
  so if you need both, why not get them from the same person?
  
  -Walter
  --www.branchmeteorites.com

Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote Birthday + Favorite Photos

[mary kashuba]

Mark and List,


Here are a few SA pictures.
http://www.johnkashuba.com/Iron_Sikhote_Alin.html


Regards,

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  MARK 
  BOSTICK 
  To: Meteorite List 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:34 
  PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Sikhote 
  Birthday + Favorite Photos
  
  Hello list,
  
  Around 10:30 in the mourning February 12, 1947 (57 years ago) in eastern 
  Siberia my favorite of all iron meteorites, fell to earth. 
  
  I have6 original newspapers from the era transcribed on my 
  website.
  
  http://www.meteoritearticles.com/znpsikhote.html
  
  And in the new few days, I will go through my archives more and see what 
  ones I do not have the site yet.
  
  I thought I would also share my favorite Sikhote.
  
  http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colsikhote298g.html
  
  Itis nearnot my largest but it was at one time one of my 
  first good sized irons and one of the early Sikhotes. Meaning the 
  Sikhotes that had the early treatmentI think they look better then the 
  present Sikhotes. (For they are all rust ball no doult). 
  
  The following four sikhotes are also some of my favorite 
  meteorites. Oriented meteorites are cool, and these four I purchased all 
  at one time at one of the Denver shows. 
  
  http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colsikhotegrouplet.html
  
  
  Perhaps others would like to share a photo of their favorite 
  Sikhote.
  
  So I ask upon the list, What is your favorite Sikhote? Any cool 
  Sikhote stories? Who has the ugliest Sikhote? C'mon, we want to 
  see it.
  
  
  Mark Bostick
  www.meteoritearticles.com

[meteorite-list] Free Microfiche Viewers Thin Section Viewing Southern California

[mary kashuba]

List,

We have two microfiche viewers 
free for the taking.

A while back I found them at a 
yard sale in their original packing. 
I gave one to my buddy Bob Jackson, another collector and list member. We 
used them to view thin sections like Marvin Killgore does at shows. They are bulky things and we are using 
microscopes now, so the viewers are available. There are several strategies for 
positioning polarizing filters and we can talk about that if youre 
interested. We might even find some 
filter material to pass along with the viewers. 

The deal is that you pick them 
up. One is in Ontario California 
and the other is thirty minutes down the road in Riverside. We might consider delivering them within 
a 90 mile radius if you have a meteorite collection to show off AND there is a 
great BBQ or Mexican food joint in your area. 

Pictures: http://www.johnkashuba.com/Microfiche_Viewer.html


John Kashuba
Ontario, 
California

Re: [meteorite-list] ebay ads

[mary kashuba]

Bob and List,

Thank you for asking.

I like the sales ads.
I like the ebay ads.
I like crooks being outed. 
I like hearing from hunters, snarly or not.
I like the science discussions. 
I like Proud Tom.


John Kashuba
Ontario, California


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  Mail 
  To: Meteorite list 
  Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 11:00 
  AM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay ads
  
  Does anyone else think that the debate over 
  technicalities are more annoying than the actual ebay ad posts 
  themselves?
  
  Just curious
  
  Or lets take a vote 
  How many appreciate the sales 
  ads?
  How many are against it?
  
  Anyone with time to waste please keep track of 
  tallying the votes, and let majority 
rule.

[meteorite-list] Slow to Approve New Members

[mary kashuba]

Dear List,

I was admitted to the list a half hour ago. 
That was twelve hours after my application.

John Kashuba
Ontario, California