Re: [meteorite-list] Destruction of the Hopewell civilization

[Mark Hammergren via Meteorite-list]

I, too, would love to hear more about the Hopewell people's use of
meteoritic materials.
As for the sensationalist article by Tankersley et al., it was convincingly
refuted by others and finally formally retracted from the journal this year.


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On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 9:22 AM Anne Black via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> This was brought to my attention, but I had never heard of the event.
> Anyone?
>
>
> https://www.uc.edu/news/articles/2022/02/did-comets-fiery-destruction-lead-to-downfall-of-ancient-hopewell.html
>
> One interesting line:
> *The Hopewell people collected the meteorites and forged malleable metal
> from them into flat sheets used in jewelry and musical instruments called
> pan flutes.*
>
> It would be interesting to hear more.
>
> Anne Black
> IMPACTIKA.com
> impact...@aol.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Terrestrial meteorite

[Mark Hammergren via Meteorite-list]

Thirty years ago, my thesis advisor, Don Brownlee, and I talked about
potential terrestrial meteorites and how their "asteroids" might be
identified among the population of near-Earth objects. Unfortunately for me
at the time, we decided that any strong identification would rely on
details of silicate chemistry that are tough to measure through
ground-based remote sensing. But we were certain that such bodies must
exist.

On the same subject, the moon will be a great place to search for
terrestrial meteorites, and may prove to be the best place to investigate
the conditions of early Earth. Heck, we might even find fossils.

On Wed, Jul 12, 2023, 12:27 PM Bob King via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Go to
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361365963_Northwest_Africa_13188_A_meteorite_from_the_Earth
> At the top click on the blue bar that says download full text pdf. I just
> did it and no fee is required.
>
> Bob
>
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 9:12 AM Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately paywall
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 2:05 AM, Albert Jambon via Meteorite-list <
>> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>
>> There was a presentation at the Goldschmidt Conference in Lyon this week.
>> Here is a link
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.newscientist.com/article/2381928-meteorite-left-earth-then-landed-back-down-after-round-trip-to-space/
>>
>>
>>
>> Albert JAMBON
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Re: [meteorite-list] CNEOS1 2014-01-08 hunt in P.N.G. Harvard physicist Avi Loeb is organizing a $1.5 million expedition

[Mark Hammergren via Meteorite-list]

Agreed on all points. This is worse than nonsense: Avi Loeb and his
tabloid-quality antics make a mockery of SETI and astrobiology. Public and
congressional ridicule of a "search for little green men" doomed the NASA
High Resolution Microwave Survey in the early 90's. It would have surveyed
the sky in millions of frequencies using the Arecibo radio telescope,
partially for SETI purposes, and was already funded and running after a
decade of development. I worked with people who were employed in that
project and who had the rug pulled out from under their feet with
essentially no warning. Some had to leave the field of astronomy to find
other employment. Serious SETI research did not recover from that disaster
for more than 20 years.
What will Loeb advocate "studying" next? Chemtrails? HAARP mind control?
Qanon? Disgusting.

On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 9:53 AM Rob Matson via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> I’m with you, Mike – what the hell?! This is the stuff of tabloids. If
> people want to find an underwater meteorite, they can search the shore of
> Lake Ontario for the (much larger than sand) fragments of asteroid 2022 WJ1
> that impacted there November last year, or the western edge of Lake
> Michigan for the bolide that broke up over it 6 years ago on Feb. 6th,
> 2017, appearing on 5 separate Doppler radars. In either case, the water is
> far, far shallower and the prospects better for success than finding
> anything (natural or artificial) over a mile underwater.  --Rob
>
>
>
> *From: *Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list
> 
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 23, 2023 3:33 PM
> *To: *drtanuki ; Meteorite-list
> 
> *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] CNEOS1 2014-01-08 hunt in P.N.G.
> Harvardphysicist Avi Loeb is organizing a $1.5 million expedition
>
>
>
> Good grief. What nonsense. A mile deep. In the pacific  ocean. Particles
> the size of rice. Years under the water…… what a scam
>
>
> Sent from Smallbiz Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Thursday, March 23, 2023, 8:04 AM, drtanuki via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>
>
> https://dnyuz.com/2023/03/23/a-harvard-physicist-is-racing-to-prove-this-meteorite-is-an-alien-probe/
>
>
>
> A Harvard Physicist Is Racing to Prove This Meteorite Is an Alien Probe
>
> March 23, 2023
>
>
>
> The world’s top alien hunter is about to embark on his most ambitious—and
> potentially history-making—mission yet. Harvard physicist Avi Loeb is
> organizing a $1.5-million expedition to Papua New Guinea to search for
> fragments of a very strange meteorite that impacted just off the coast of
> the Pacific nation in 2014.
>
>
>
> There’s compelling evidence that the half-meter-wide meteorite, called
> CNEOS1 2014-01-08, traveled from outside our solar system. And that it’s
> made of extremely hard rock or metal—a material that’s hard and tough
> enough to prove the meteorite isn’t a meteorite at all. Maybe it’s an alien
> probe.
>
>
>
> It’s a long-shot effort. After years of work, Loeb and his team have, with
> a big assist from the U.S. military, narrowed down CNEOS1 2014-01-08’s
> likely impact zone to a square kilometer of the ocean floor, nearly two
> kilometers underwater. But the fragments themselves are probably just a few
> millimeters in size. It’s worse than looking for a needle in a haystack.
> Loeb is basically preparing to look for big sand in a square-kilometer
> patch of small sand. more
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Re: [meteorite-list] Picric acid

[Mark Hammergren via Meteorite-list]

Metallic picrate salts are notoriously sensitive explosives, particularly
anhydrous nickel. Unless that is your desired end product, there are far
better choices for meteorite etchants.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 12:52 PM John Lutzon via Meteorite-list <
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>
>  Hello,
>
>   Anyone with experience with Picric acid as a meteorite etchant?
>
>   Thanks, John
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Falling Fireballs Crashed in Chile Last Week. They Weren't Meteorites

[Mark Hammergren via Meteorite-list]

Fires are never caused by meteorites or space junk, unless they are around
100 meters or so across. Did Chelyabinsk or Carancas start fires? No. We
have no evidence beside people seeing meteors and coincidental fires. Let's
put this to rest.

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 9:37 PM Paul via Meteorite-list <
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> Falling Fireballs Crashed in Chile Last Week.
> They Weren't Meteorites, Experts Say.
> By Nicoletta Lanese October 10, 2019
> https://www.livescience.com/fireballs-fall-on-chile.html
> https://www.space.com/fireballs-fall-on-chile.html
>
> https://www.sciencealert.com/whatever-fell-from-the-sky-and-sparked-fires-in-chile-forget-meteorites
>
> Chilean officials are investigating a curious
> collection of burning objects that fell
> onto parts of the country last week
>
> Yours,
>
> Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] MICROMETEORITES

[Mark Hammergren via Meteorite-list]

Dan,
Essential references for hands-on work on this topic are two books by
Jon Larsen, both available from Amazon and other sellers at extremely
reasonable prices. These are: "In Search of Stardust: Amazing
Micrometeorites and Their Terrestrial Imposters", which has stunningly
beautiful microphotography, and "On the Trail of Stardust: The Guide
to Finding Micrometeorites: Tools, Techniques, and Identification".
Best of luck to your friend!
-- Mark

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 7:21 AM Daniel Michael via Meteorite-list
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>
> At least a year ago, someone posted an article on retrieving micrometeorites 
> from rooftops. I have a friend who is attempting to do the same,  and would 
> appreciate having a copy of that article.
> Thank you,
> DAN
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Recovered From Ocean Bottom

[Mark Hammergren via Meteorite-list]

Hi Rob,
Excellent question! We've been working on a recovery effort for the
Feb. 6, 2017 Wisconsin / Lake Michigan meteorites since shortly after
that fall. Marc Fries is part of this collaboration between the Adler
Planetarium, Field Museum, and Shedd Aquarium to retrieve fragments of
these meteorites using a magnet-equipped underwater sled, with some
reconnaissance using small ROVs. The predicted spatial density of
large fragments is pretty low, but we're hopeful that we can find some
of the more numerous tiny fragments that are certainly out there. The
project is being implemented primarily through the work of our teen
volunteers and interns -- mostly because involving the public in our
work is what we do, but also because nobody funds scientists to hunt
for meteorites (ANSMET being an exception).
The nature of the lake bottom is quite varied, and largely unmapped
throughout the strewn field. While there are significant stretches of
clean sand and silt, there are also outcrops of bedrock, colonies of
zebra and quagga mussels, and at least two known shipwrecks. Hopefully
no great amount of taconite pellets from the northern iron mines!
You can learn more about "The Aquarius Project" at:
https://www.adlerplanetarium.org/education/far-horizons/the-aquarius-project/
Best regards,
-- Mark


On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> I do wish Marc and NASA every success in trying to pull this off. What 
> surprises me is
> that a similar effort wasn't undertaken for the fall over Lake Michigan last 
> year, just
> offshore from Wisconsin. That one should be FAR easier to recover -- the 
> water is
> clear (thanks to the zebra mussels), the depth minimal (<250 feet), the bottom
> sandy rather than silt and muck, and little to no waves to contend with.  
> --Rob
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 1:12 AM
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: EXTERNAL: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Recovered From Ocean Bottom
>
> List,
>
> It seems that Marc Fries
> (former list member) has
> recovered fragments from
> the fireball that passed over
> Seattle in March of this
> year... from the bottom of
> the Pacific!
>
> "Against all odds, NASA
> may have actually found
> a meteorite on the bottom
> of the ocean:"
> 
>
> They say:
> "...researchers will examine
> the fragments more closely
> and hope to conclusively
> determine that they are
> indeed from space. If the
> rocks are indeed extra-
> terrestrial, it will mark
> an incredible accomplish-
> ment for the expedition
> team."
>
> I'll say!
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
>
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[meteorite-list] Favorite Nininger stories?

[Mark Hammergren via Meteorite-list]

I'm giving a brief presentation tomorrow to museum staff members about
Harvey Nininger. Do any of you have any favorite Nininger anecdotes
you'd like to share? Thanks!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Curry in jail

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Indeed, you should run! It's a modified water truck used for cleaning rail
hopper cars, and you might get soaked!
http://www.daltontrucking.com/mom-whats-that-for/

On Dec 9, 2017 2:00 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <
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> If you see this show up in Quartzsite or the Tucson show, Run!
>
> http://themeteoritesite.com/images/MobileGallowsA.jpg
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Re: [meteorite-list] space junk

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I'd hazard that this is lightning damage, and the vitreous slag-like
material is the remains of the melted shingles. There are some
fragile-looking drips on the large fragment in image 4 that don't look like
they could have survived high-speed impact through the roof. A Google image
search for "lightning damage to roof" also shows similar holes in shingle
roofs.

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Korotev, Randy via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> A guy sent me these photos.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qcnzxol29ypwi4q/AAAWTbYOJh-LTf1L7JRFaMTsa?dl=0
>
> My guess: space junk.  He'd be happy to sell it because he's got $1000
> deductible on his home owner's insurance.
>
> Contact me off line if you want his e-mail address.
>
> ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+
> Randy L. Korotev
> Research Professor
> Department of Earth & Planetary Sciences
> Washington University in Saint Louis
>
>
>   http://eps.wustl.edu/people/randy_korotev
>   http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites.htm
>
> If you think you've found a meteorite, read these:
>   http://meteorites.wustl.edu/what_to_do.htm
>   http://meteorites.wustl.edu/realities.htm
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Re: [meteorite-list] Very Very cool Meteor video

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I'm sorry, but this is a terrible fake. One big red flag: why would he
compose the shot pointing the camera to a boring, cloudy scene --
precisely where the "meteor" would come down? And another: the time
delay between the "meteor" and sonic boom is less than around five
seconds, corresponding to a distance of around a mile or so to the
fireball itself! Not realistic at all.

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:35 PM, ian macleod via Meteorite-list
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>
>
>
>
> Hi all checkout this awesome video, that isnt no satellite 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.msn.com/en-au/video/downtime/extremely-close-meteor-strike-caught-on-film/vi-BBpJilu?ocid=mailsignout
>
>
> This man was out testing his new camera mount when he happened to catch a 
> meteor entering the atmosphere. Not only is the bright light amazing, but the 
> sonic boom is ...
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Ian Macleod
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Re: [meteorite-list] seeking to commission jeweler for small lunarpendant

[Mark Hammergren]

Thanks for the kind expression of support, Richard! Thanks as well to
everyone who has written to me with leads. I'll be following up on
them today. What a good-hearted community this is!
-- Mark

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Richard Montgomery
rickm...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Mark, exceptional and wonderful.  Although I cannot contribute, please place
 me heart in it!


 - Original Message - From: Mark Hammergren mhammerg...@gmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:09 PM

 Subject: [meteorite-list] seeking to commission jeweler for small
 lunarpendant


 Dear list,

 One of my coworkers is a volunteer for the local Make-A-Wish chapter
 and has recently arranged for a sick little girl and her family to get
 a behind-the-scenes tour of our workplace (the Adler Planetarium).
 Even if we can't literally fulfill her wishes (meeting Katy Perry, and
 going to the Moon), it struck me that I could genuinely give a little
 bit of the Moon to her.

 I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could refer me to a jeweler
 who could mount a small lunar meteorite (which I would supply from my
 personal collection) in a pendant. I'm not asking for a donation; I'm
 absolutely willing to pay a fair commission out of my own pocket. I
 figured I'd ask the list since I know some talented jewelers are
 members, and I'd prefer to work with someone who has experience
 working with small, relatively fragile meteorites.

 I'm afraid the timeline is very tight; we're meeting the girl and her
 family on March 9. I just found out about the visit a couple days ago.

 Thanks very much in advance, and please feel free to contact me off list.

 Very best regards,
 -- Mark
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[meteorite-list] seeking to commission jeweler for small lunar pendant

[Mark Hammergren]

Dear list,

One of my coworkers is a volunteer for the local Make-A-Wish chapter
and has recently arranged for a sick little girl and her family to get
a behind-the-scenes tour of our workplace (the Adler Planetarium).
Even if we can't literally fulfill her wishes (meeting Katy Perry, and
going to the Moon), it struck me that I could genuinely give a little
bit of the Moon to her.

I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could refer me to a jeweler
who could mount a small lunar meteorite (which I would supply from my
personal collection) in a pendant. I'm not asking for a donation; I'm
absolutely willing to pay a fair commission out of my own pocket. I
figured I'd ask the list since I know some talented jewelers are
members, and I'd prefer to work with someone who has experience
working with small, relatively fragile meteorites.

I'm afraid the timeline is very tight; we're meeting the girl and her
family on March 9. I just found out about the visit a couple days ago.

Thanks very much in advance, and please feel free to contact me off list.

Very best regards,
-- Mark
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Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Main Mass

[Mark Hammergren]

The Olympia Fields gentleman whose lawn this stone fell into returned to town 
more than a week after the fall. When he got back, he saw a hole in his front 
yard, along with a whole bunch of stone chips in his driveway. He assumed the 
city parks department, which was maintaining a park nearby, had left this mess 
on his property. So he swept up and threw away the stone chips (yes, this is 
painful, I know!), and called the city to come repair his lawn.

The workers dug up the hole, found the meteorite, and recognized it for what it 
was. Then, amazingly enough, they knocked on his door, gave it back to him, 
told him they thought it was a meteorite and likely worth a lot of money, and 
went on their way.

He called me a little while after that, said he thought he had a meteorite, and 
wondered if I could verify that's what it was. I'd received hundreds of such 
inquiries, with only a few of them proving to be meteorites, so I was doubtful. 
But when he gave me his address, which was right at the high mass end of the 
strewnfield, and described the stone, I had a suspicion his rock might be the 
real thing. When I got a chance to examine it in person, it was unmistakable. 
Quite rusted from spending two weeks in soggy sod, yes, but a genuine Park 
Forest meteorite.

I took some photos and weighed it, then took him and the stone down to the 
Field Museum, where their meteorite collections manager (at the time) examined 
it herself. I walked the gentleman back to his car, advised him that while his 
meteorite was of significant scientific interest, it was also quite valuable to 
collectors (museum ethics forbids me from giving specific appraisals). I made 
sure he understood that since the meteorite fell on his property, he legally 
owned the meteorite, and that no other public or private organizations had a 
claim on it. He asked if I could recommend a meteorite dealer, but museum 
ethics similarly forbid me from recommending a specific dealer. I referred him 
to IMCA, and also said he could simply Google meteorite dealer. He left, and 
I never heard any more from him.

If someone has subsequently dealt with the owner, and knows more about what 
happened to the stone, I'd be interested in hearing about it.

Best regards,
Mark 

--- On Sun, 3/27/11, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Main Mass
 To: e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 9:04 AM
 Hi Graham, Bill, and List,
 
 That was my initial reaction as well.  I have never
 previously seen
 the photos that Bill posted, and I was expecting velvety
 black crust
 as well.  This stone looks like it has seen better
 days.
 
 I'd be curious to hear more about the circumstances of it -
 where it
 was found, when, etc.
 
 Best regards and happy huntings,
 
 MikeG
 
 
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 On 3/27/11, e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com
 wrote:
  Just wondering why the Park Forest Main mass looks old
 and weathered
  in the photograph?
 
   Was it found much later. I was expecting to see
 fresh crust and
  matrix. I would never have guessed it was Park
 Forest.
 
  Graham, UK
 
  On 27 March 2011 09:38, Steve Witt stelo...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  Bill,
 
  Was wondering if you any other detail of this main
 mass. Finder? Location?
  Date of find? etc.
 
  thanx,
  Steve
 
 
  Steve Witt
  IMCA #9020
  http://imca.cc/
 
 
  --- On Sat, 3/26/11, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
 
  From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Main
 Mass
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Saturday, March 26, 2011, 9:44 PM
 
  Thanks to Mark Hammergren, we have images of
 the Park
  Forest main mass. At least, the largest one I
 know of. 5260
  grams.
 
  http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/razor_wire/pfmainedit.jpg
 
  http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/razor_wire/pfmmedit.jpg
 
  http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/razor_wire/pfmainedit2.jpg
 
 
 
  Bill
 
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA finds extra-terrestrial amino-acids in Sudan meteorites

[Mark Hammergren]

The article is missing a description of the genesis of the asteroidal material. 
Almahata Sitta is a ureilite (among other things), which cooled from very high 
temperatures (in excess of 1100C) during its formation.

-- Mark

--- On Thu, 12/30/10, Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com wrote:
 So something must be missing from the article to explain
 why they
 believe Almahata Sitta's interior got so hot. [snip]
 So the question is, am I missing something?  --Rob
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Re: [meteorite-list] El Paso Lights

[Mark Hammergren]

I'd say you've hit the nail on the head, Count. El Paso's Amigo Airsho was 
going on during Oct. 16 and 17. The Army's Golden Knights parachute team were 
featured performers. 

Compare this video of another of their nighttime performances with the footage 
of the El Paso lights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaqvrv-8jIY

No meteorites from these fireballs... thankfully!

-- Mark 

--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote:

 From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] El Paso Lights
 To: MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com, Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com, 
 meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 11:28 AM
 Looks like a three man practice HI/Lo
 tactical para insertion using individual ankle mounted
 flares.
 
 Count Deiro
 IMCA 3536 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com
 Sent: Oct 19, 2010 8:15 AM
 To: Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com,
 meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] El Paso Lights
 
 Be it remembered that El Paso is very near both Fort
 Bliss and the White Sands 
 Missile Range. Having worked there I know there are a
 lot of hush hush 
 developmental activities involving upper atmosphere
 /low orbital vehicles plus 
 some advanced non-conventional launch platforms. The
 flight behavior looks like 
 multiple entry maneuverable vehicles.  The bow
 waves are hemispherical and 
 not cone shaped and they are all uniform in size--
 where a meteor or booster 
 breakup would have different sized fragments.
 
 The New York City UFO sightings were identified as a
 rather huge cluster of 
 silvered, mylar, birthday balloons which got away from
 the lady on the way to 
 the party--vis-a-vis weather balloons or so I heard..
 
 Elton
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
  From: Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com
  To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 9:16:49 AM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] El Paso Lights
  
  I saw this on Drudge report this  morning.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEtTl9cGrJc
  
  Looks like a  meteor at first.
  
  I had seen the report on NYC lights last week
 and  accepted the weather
  baloon theory as you couldn't see the tail during
 the  day light hours.
  
  but this video has a distinct tail, and well...
 i  dunno.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Catalina Sky Survey

[Mark Hammergren]

When it comes to speculating on motives, I try to follow the old adage 
(paraphrased from Goethe) that misunderstandings and neglect create more 
confusion in this world than trickery and malice. Once the automated survey 
mistake was published, carelessness undoubtedly made it easy for it to 
propagate to other publications. Of course, that's no excuse. As an 
observational astronomer, myself, I would never minimize the credit due to the 
humans behind the telescope, and I was happy to congratulate Richard in person 
in Tucson this year for his discovery. That said, it would be a similar mistake 
to minimize the efforts it took Jenniskens and Muawia Shaddad to organize 
multiple large expeditions to Almahata Sitta for the systematic search for (and 
painstakingly documented recovery of) those wonderful little pieces of 2008 TC3.
Very best regards,
Mark

--- On Mon, 3/29/10, Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 12:53 AM
 Thank you, Richard.
 It's always bothered me when I've seen article's refering
 to the automated
 Catalina Sky Survey discovering 2008 TC3, since I knew one
 of our own was
 there. Not knowing the details though, I appreciate your
 more detailed
 look and applaud your lengthy response.
 I too, can speculate on why someone would minimize your
 contribution to this
 historic event, but I keep being interupted by the
 persistent image of a dog
 retreiving a thrown stick. It landed rrriiight..
 there!
 Linton
 
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[meteorite-list] Friday talk on Almahata Sitta in Tucson

[Mark Hammergren]

Dear Listees,

Back in December, I had the good fortune to participate in an expedition to the 
Almahata Sitta strewnfield, as well as present my research at an international 
conference on those meteorites and asteroid 2008 TC3 at the University of 
Khartoum. It was an amazing experience.

This Friday, February 5, at the NOAO headquarters in Tucson, I will be giving a 
lunchtime talk from 12:00-12:30 about the expedition. These talks are generally 
not advertised to the public due to limited space, but I'd like to invite any 
of you who might be interested to attend. We can probably accommodate up to ten 
extra visitors, so please email me offlist to reserve a spot. (If you do 
attend, please plan to stick around for the second half hour talk, by Quentin 
Parker of Macquarie University, entitled Bangers and Mash: New light on old 
stars.)

Best regards! Hope to see many of you in Tucson,

Mark Hammergren

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