Let's cut through the semantics. No amount of semantics will change the
fact that the phrase Hammer Fall is confusing and misleading.
The nomenclature is simple.
Hammer = Correct
Hammer Fall = Misleading, confusing, and an incorrect use of the term.
It's really not that complicated.
Regards,
Eric
On 5/14/2012 10:05 PM, Shawn Alan wrote:
I am going to say my words and leave it at that on this Hammer Fall Stone Fall
Hammer man made hitting meteorite definition
As for the Hammer Stone Fall phase, I guess I did morph it by accident from
Michael Bloods phase which is Hammer Fall, for some reason I thought he used
Hammer Stone Fall but I checked and its worded as Hammer Fall when a stone from
the fall hits a man made object. The Sutter's Mill meteorite fall is a Hammer
Fall because one of the stones from that fall hit a man made object. That stone
that hit the man made object is called a Hammer Stone, and I can see the
confusion and thats why I changed it to Hammer Fall. So by Michael's
definition when a meteorite hits a man made object that meteorite fall is a
METEORITE HAMMER FALL.
Documented Hammer Falls
Sylacauge
Barbotan
L Aigle
Weston
Park Forest
Paltusk
Barwell
and now Sutter's Mill
From Micheal's website
1). Hammer - any
individual which is part of a hammer
fall in which one or more of the
individuals struck an
artifact, animal or human.
Most of us hammer heads, however,
will collect
what is available from any hammer fall, though, of course,
hammer stones, themselves,
will be most valued.
Shawn Alan
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Hi All,
The use of the word Hammer when
referencing/advertising meteorites,
should only be used to describe an
actual stone which hit an artifact
(man made object).
Using the word
Hammer or Hammer Fall in advertisements to sell stones
that are not
actual Hammer-Stones is misleading and confusing,
especially to new
collectors. It can cause much more confusion later
when those pieces are
resold to other meteorite collectors because an
inexperienced collector may
say it is a fragment of a hammer stone, not
understanding the difference
between the terms hammer stone and
hammer fall.
An easy remedy
for this, is to NEVER use the words Hammer Fall in
advertisements. It's
misleading, and confusing. Period.
Regards,
Eric
On 5/14/2012 10:10 AM, Anita Westlake wrote:
Thanks right, Steve. I own a quarter of a slice from the core from THE
meteorite that hit Mrs. Hodges.
There is a guy on this list who continues to call his
non-hammer Hodges
meteorite The Sylacauga stone even after
he was reported to the I.M.C.A. for
misleading the public.
For that reason alone, I will never buy anything from
him.
Yes, it is part of the Sylacauga fall, but not the house-hitter. I would
venture to guess that most of the public would not know the
difference, and
that's what he's counting on!
Anita
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Mike and all,
I agree with you the marketing Such and
Such Hammer Fall is very often
misleading and if such a
term is ever used, I think there should be an obvious
express disclaimer that the piece being purchase is NOT from the one that
actually hit the object, unless of course there is
documentation to prove that
it is from that specimen. I
would think the F.T.C. would agree.
However, I do want to correct you on one thing Dr. King was able to secure a few
grams of THE Sylacaga hammer that hit Mrs. Hodges via a core
sample taken from
it. His records showed it did NOT come
from the Smithsonian's specimen but
rather the museum that
held it back in the 1960's. This was only a few grams
total
and was sold to the market back in 1999.
The provenance should be strong with those pieces, and that data should have
been passed on for the lucky few that have a piece.
Personally I would think
they should have a very
