Hi list
I would like to thank everyone for this informative thread. I have not bought
any lunar/martian meteorites for quite a few years now but as the owner of a
decent collection of planetaries, bought from a small number reputable dealers
whom you will all know well that i(we) trust
The photo to me looks promising. Would like to see a
closeup of it.
Mike G.
yes, this one appears to be genuine. No fantastical claims, just a rock in the
loft and it looks like the real deal at this first glance
Rob McC
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A horrifying story. Glad you're ok Mike. Best regards and stay safe.
Rob McC
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There is also the intriguing possibility that they may be rather hard to spot
after they land. Once the crust has weathered, they may look almost identical
to terrestrial sedimentary rocks. It's a strange idea but there must also be
earth meteorites lying around but none in our
The nature of this list means that I am certainly preaching to the converted
but I'll have my say anyway.
Research and discovery for it's own sake is uniquely human. It is true that it
costs a lot of money but we all know it's very little in the grand scheme.
As a gross oversimplification of
Arrgh! I am such a grammar nazi!
It cannot be very unique. It's either unique or it isn't.
I'm so very, very sorry. Please beat me around the head with a set of clubs for
being such an appalling pedant.
Rob McC
--- On Sun, 30/1/11, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Ruben
The problem with these data is that the Atacama Desert is considered to be a
sterile environment with no microbes in the soil as well.
You can have organics but that's nowhere near the same as having life.
So they have proved that there may be organics in the perchlorate rich soil of
mars, just
Xeno biology
If life ever began on Mars, I believe that it will still be there. The climate
cannot have changed quickly enough to extinguish microbial life and it should
thrive there not just cling on to existence.
I accept that the magnetite found in martian fossils could be a local
I am deeply saddened by the death of Christian Anger.
I had dealings with him several times and donated mineral samples to him on a
couple of occasions and found him to be a kind and generous man.
My fondest regards go to his family at this time.
Rob McCafferty
Greg Wrote
I am very passionate about what I do and try to keep it as accurate as
possible. When games and fraud is perpetrated by those who do not care about
the science or collectors, I get upset and tend to be vocal.
If I seem too quick to reply, or type a single word in haste or anger, I
Can somebody please explain to me two things?
1: How does this sort of crap get published
2: Why anybody thinks that publishing it is helpful when we live in a world of
idiots who only believe things that can be explained in less than 30 seconds.
Rob McC
--- On Thu, 10/29/09, Michael Groetz
I too, would love to read the document when it's ready.
I always think this sort of thing is like trying to work out the odds of you
winning a raffle.
You may have some sort of idea how many people are entering it but you're
really just guessing.
Am I the only one who feels uneasy that some
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From: Rob McCafferty rob_mccaffe...@yahoo.com
To: Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com;
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Orange Dust
Yeah, I made this mental link too, although I hear the
dust over cities
It's also worth pointing out that UK law is generally pretty generous regarding
prospecting.
If you own the land, anything you find on it belongs to you.
The exceptions are Gold and Silver.
If you find them, either as mineral deposits or as relics, they are
automatically owned by the Crown
No, it's the DNA of space aliens delivered by panspermia, just like that red
dust found in india a while back.
(or more likely, what you said, something they never noticed before or what
Sterling said...which I think is what the alien DNA truned out to be in India)
--- On Wed, 9/23/09,
Yeah, I made this mental link too, although I hear the dust over cities in
Australia is red, isn't it? That, also is known to come from the outback desert.
I remember as a child, dust form the Sahara being blown up to Northern Europe.
I even remember seening it on the headlights of a car that
I too, have nothing but good things to say about Eric. When I first got into
meteorites, I bought a lunar (DaG400) and a martian (SaU008) from him.
These are both major outlays for a noob and I(partly due to dyslexia) entered
his paypal address incorrectly. He was patient, understanding,
I agree, at least in part.
Panspermia may not be the motivation to explore Europa and in truth, a decent
sub-surface examination of that world will require a far greater commitment
than $4Bn.
The NEO programme needs a far greater commitment, as does any programme to
counter such a threat that
To me---believing that all life has
originated here on Earth and then
spread out from here is like saying that the Earth is still
the center of
the solar system or Universe. Andwe don't believe that
anymore, now do
we??
That is not what Mark said and to imply that he did is
) rather than 1 of 4.
Rob McC
--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote:
From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Slow cooling rate of irons in space
To: Rob McCafferty rob_mccaffe...@yahoo.com
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 4:22 AM
of irons in space
To: Rob McCafferty rob_mccaffe...@yahoo.com,
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 5:21 AM
Hi,
Venus they're not sure about.
One thing I think we can be sure about is that
no one will ever use the phrase so darn cold
about Venus, as we
The so darn cold thing refers to objects not being lit/heated by their star.
Day sides will heat up until they radiate more heat than they absorb. Night
sides will cool as quickly as physics (and any atmosphere) allows.
If one face of Mars stayed pointing at the sun all the time, it would be
--- On Wed, 9/2/09, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote:
How many unknown minerals,
and chemicals have we yet to discover? We're assuming that
everything is pretty much the same throughout the universe
chemically. I ask you this. How can we state that
unequivocally? We can't..
That is just hogwash in my opinion---the Drake
Equation proves that
life
MUST exist elsewhere.
ERRMM! So what happens to the result if just one of the many factors happens to
have a value of zero?
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Seems to me that the Mars rovers have
pretty much proved that at one time Mars probably supported
life based on their findings and observations
Really? I don't see that at all. Maybe it was the way you worded it but
it being damper there 4Ga ago than
Nothing unusual about this.
My first ever meteorite was a 25mg piece of Dhofar 1084. Tasting it was one of
the first things I did.
I don't recal ever having tasted a martian though it is a distinct possibility
and I was thoroughly underwhelmed by the experience.
I can tell you that eucrite
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To: Rob McCafferty rob_mccaffe...@yahoo.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 8:25 PM
Hi Rob, List,
No need for any apology at all... You've said what's on
your mind and I've said what many wanted to say but were
I go away for a couple of weeks and suddenly I have to spend nearly an hour
deleting vitriol.
While I do not agree with any form of censorship in a public forum, with that
liberty comes responsibility. A community can only exist while people benefit
from it.
It is important that fraud is
to the pilot.
Rob McCafferty
--- On Thu, 6/18/09, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shuttle Carry
To: cdtuc...@cox.net, Simon sbdeb...@wightman.ca, meteoritelist
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Seriously, I'm in the wrong job. I've spent much of the last year putting
together a mission to Mars game for our school. You can select individual crew
members. For example, one is from the Kashmir region of India, one of her
languages is a local dialect and her name is a traditional
IMCA 5829
Rob McCafferty rob_mccaffe...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Seriously, I'm in the wrong job. I've spent much
of the last year putting together a mission to Mars game for
our school. You can select individual crew members. For
example, one is from the Kashmir region
On a more realistic note...(though I applaud the jocularity)
The whole fear that return samples from Mars, either by robotic mission or
manned, seems thoroughly irrational to me.
The very idea that a microbe that MAY exist on present day Mars that will have
spent 3 Aeons adapting to a cold,
This is a recurrent theme, one I am interested in myself and when I first
joined this list I heard a lot of really good stuff but never saved the mails.
Earth vs lunar is quite easy to nail down. The geology of lunar meteorites tend
to be rather similar despite different physical appearances.
Falls are surely when recoverable material makes it to the surface.
It would be classified as a find if material is recovered but the fireball
was not witnessed. This suggests serendipitous discovery but is obviously not
always the case (Antarctica and hot desert finds are the result of
Great postings Elton. They take the whole discussion to a far greater level and
I fo one applaud you for it.
I like to think there are others that appreciate it and thin this is what this
list should be about.
As an addition to what you say I will say the following.
The short half life of
is big enough, (which provides enough
radioactive material to generate the heat AND enough lying
over the middle to prevent the heat escaping, the body will
melt...
How big is big enough?
Eric
Rob McCafferty wrote:
Hi Eric
You are correct in thinking that electrostatics
Hi Eric
You are correct in thinking that electrostatics causes the initial clumping.
The early sun would have been extremely energetic and X-ray and UV radiation
would produce electro static charging of small particles.
Once they begin to clump to a sufficient size, they will attract particles
In response.
Yes you could do that though I don't think it'd be of any scientific
significance to do so.
The initial impulse required to eject rocks with enough speed to get to earth
may produce some shock effects in the rock. You may prefer to use rockets if
you wanted pristine rocks so
wow, what a great site. Thanks for the link
Rob
--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Michael Johnson mich...@spacerocksinc.com wrote:
From: Michael Johnson mich...@spacerocksinc.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT
To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Tuesday,
$100/g may seem pricey but then we are collectors of extraordinary (indeed,
extraterrestrial) material.
If commercial value is to be placed on such items, I think the rarity of such
material would qualify it as more valuable than they actually sell for.
Out of interest, just how much do dealers
I thank everyone for their responses to my posting. I am also delighted with
the clear and civil nature of the responses.
It seems that my concern was largely misplaced.
I have great respect for the hunters out there getting their hands dirty to
feed my obsession and without doubt, science
Apologies if this is a repeat posting, I thought I sent one earlier today but
it seems to be missing. Maybe the original will turn up later.
Many thanks to those who have replied to my mail and as so often, I was not in
full posession of the facts. In light of that, I'm delighted I to find I
I don't know if I'm the only person who feels this or not.
I personally felt that the offering of this new material before it was
officially classified was distasteful.
Collectors are constantly being branded as bounty hunters or treasure
seekers. Surely, all collectors can see that to
Here's what I know
1a. Speed of sound at sea level? 1500 meters per second?
no, it's 340m/s
2. What is the approximate maximum distance a ground
observer can see fireballs over the horizon as limited by
the curvature of the earth? my memory also says 250 miles
I remember
Many people have put a lot of thought into this question.
I can't promise to provide 10 but I do have a few suggestions
Ensischeim must top the list as being the first undisputed from outer space.
Canyon Diablo for it's influence in the acceptance that cataclysmic impacts can
occur on earth
An adept postulate most erudite in its expression.
I could not have put it better myself.
Rob McC
(I'm assuming that anyone not needing a dictionary for the above will realise
I'm not being sarcastic)
--- On Sun, 2/15/09, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
From:
The first photo on the list looked wierd and certainly looked oily in patches.
As a lifelong skeptic, my answer to what do I think would be that this was a
premature April 1st joke.
Serious answers would be
a: If it really is oozing something, I've no idea what it could be
b: following from
I found this and I thought it was pretty interesting. For those who don't
believe in the global warming bull we're being fed, it's hugely affirming. It
makes interesting reading anyway, particularly the statement that the earth
cooled by 0.7deg last year.
http://www.dailygal axy.com/my_
Wow. Very interesting. I have no idea but memories of the microscope scene in
the Satan Bug spring to mind.
--- On Sun, 2/1/09, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote:
From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
Subject: [meteorite-list] Green spot in chondrite
To:
Stone tool artifacts discovered in suevite in Malaysia
http://www.researchsea.com/html/article.php/aid/3937/cid/6/research/usm_archaeological_discovery_can_change_world_history.html?PHPSESSID=b8204aec6f223e9ca02c1eae347bf168
An interesting article but maybe someone can explain to me how a
I apologise for adding to this contentious issue but as a British subject, I
feel appropriate to make a few points
1: Yes, Mike. I think you're right, most of the rest of the world accepts Barak
Obama with open arms. There can be no denying that most of the rest of the
world thought Bush Jr.
I share your skeptism, Mark.
I thought it had already been established that X-ray and UV dissociation of CO2
and H2O could be the source of the carbon and hydrogen in the martian
atmosphere that could also produce methane in the minute quantities. Oh,
sorry...that won't sell newspapers, will
This is a wonderful explanation. It is incredibly simple but almost certainly
right.
I have seen a similar effect on the windswept beaches of the Western Isles. OK,
we're only talkin about a few feet but you get a similar effect (before the
tide comes in and wipes it clean).
Often I have seen
This is not a new idea. Mike Baille's book Exodus to Arthur makes interesting
reading on the idea that comets may have triggered many human catastrophies in
the past.
His book is based on dendochronology with support from other sources.
At the time of publishing c.2000, there was a gap in the
be long
gone!
The Earth's orbital velocity is about 30 km/s and its
diameter is about
12,750 km. So the Earth moves its diameter in about 425
seconds. If the
comet pieces were farther apart than that, only one piece
would hit.
Larry
On Sat, January 10, 2009 4:06 pm, Rob McCafferty wrote
--- On Sat, 12/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I highly doubt it will be in Tucson, if it is then it is
illegal, and I
would not touch it. India doesnt scare me much, but Canada
sent people to Tokyo
two years back to look for fossils. They don't play
games.
Michael
So it appear that it is true. If Eric can be accused then we must all be
pirates.
Please excuse me while I jet off to Somalia to hijack another oil tanker.
Cordially
Rob McC
--- On Thu, 11/20/08, Eric Twelker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Subject:
--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Million Dollar Fake Meteorite Bust
That story makes absolutely no sense as presented. There
must either be some
mistake an translating the currency ($4.5
that. As a UK citizen, I'm not footing the bill)
Rob McCafferty
--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Tuesday, November 4
I agree.
Meteorites are tangible and the market will recover at some point. Whatever
their value in $/£/Y/Euro/etc following the recovery, meteorites will retain
their market value.
A £1000 piece of moon rock will be worth its equivalent, whether that is $10 or
$100,000 following the recovery
Quote the following lines:
Volcanic eruptions occur when the gas, which arrived when the world was in a
molten state and is trapped in the deep Earth, melts
Prof Ballentine and his team also identified a second signature, obtained via
studying CO2 gas from the Colorado Plateau, which is
I highly recommend the book Meteorites, Ice, and Antarctica - A personal
account by William A. Cassidy.
It goes into all sorts of technical stuff and the whole history and difficulty
of the operations but is also a corking good read.
My personal favourite anecdote involves 2 grad students and
If, as quoted in the description, a picture is worth a thousand words, you'd
imagine them putting a better picture.
Mind you, with perfectly rectangular clasts, that's got to be a one off :P
I could find a thousand words to describe it. I'd just need to look up
rubbish and all its synonyms in a
meteorite is posted on here, there is an uproar, tons of
interest. When a real new meteorite or a fall is posted,
the silence is most often deafening.
Michael Farmer
--- On Sat, 7/19/08, Rob McCafferty
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From: Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re
Hmmm! This seems like a bad idea. Have they not seen Superman 2? hehe
--- On Thu, 5/29/08, Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroid Deflection Research Center Established at
Iowa State
To: Meteorite Mailing List
Red is present.
In the terms of light, Yellow is a 50/50 mix of red and green.
So strictly speaking you'd only need colours on your calibration to perform
your tests.
A green filter would eliminate red from the yellow. A Red filter would
eliminate the green.
I suspect they used blue because pure
It's a simple case of the terminology being outdated.
The term comet dates back to Aristotle and the name means star with hair in
Greek. A lovely term that a child could sketch.
The term Asteroid is much more recent (19th Century). The word means star
shaped probably because that's how they
This is what I thought but Sterling did some hunting around and produced some
numbers that I checked. Now I'm not sure of my maths but is seems to be the
case that an object can leave the earth and hit the moon with only its escape
velocity. At that speed the impact prssures are not enough to
If this element is confirmed, even if it is 1:10^-12 ratio with thorium, I
suspect supernova would be the source.
These are found on earth and are not subject to quite so many cosmic rays
That they are found in thorium, an already heavy element seems to suggest this
may well be the case
To
Following an email I recieved about Mars' climate in the past, I recalled an
article I read some time ago.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
For those of you who suspect that all this talk of global warming is just a
good excuse to tax us for not freezing
Nice review.From it I am left with a sense of disbelief that many prominet
scientists seemed to refuse to believe that rocks fell from the sky.
I assume in the book there is a reference to Anaxogoras in ancient Greece who
was the first to suggest thatvery thing...although Diogenes is the one
Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites states Zagami as the largest TKW at
~18,000g.
Nakhla weighs in at ~10,000g and SaU--8 at 8579g.
Though these data are somewhat old now, I don't think anything rivalling Zagami
has arrived since 2001
Rob McC
--- On Wed, 4/23/08, Michael Gilmer [EMAIL
Apologies if this is a repeat post. Yahoo said it failed to send.
Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites lists the largest SNC as
Zagami 18,000g
Nakhla 10,000g
SaU008 8579g
The data goes back to 2002 but I don't think anything bigger than Zagami has
arrived since
Rob McC
--- On Wed, 4/23/08,
--- Michael Gilmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wouldn't it be interesting if there was a futures
market
for meteorites? That would add some price
stability...
The nature of meteorites is not the same. The random
nature of their arrival makes the whole thing
unpredictable. Can you imagine
Harald
Please could you contact me off-list as a matter of
urgency.
In anticipation
Best regards
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Can you direct me to the info showing the return data
matching the shergottites? I was not aware of this (I
have a young family and full time job, I cannot read
it all).
That, to me is fascinating evidence I was not aware
of. My understanding was that SNC probably sample only
two of sites on
Sorry, came to this discussion late.
I agree, I think it is a meteorite and even I can see
it looks like a CV3.? slice. The certificate with +ve
test for nickel confused me. Do CV's contain nickel? I
didn't think they did.
--- Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hola Pete, All,
It's a
In response to Moni's posting
I post here when I want to ask a question.
I've always found the responses well measured and
reasoned. The ONLY exception was my fault and vowed
not to do it again.
Today I pontificate.
I find people as I recieve them and this list has
given friendships, despite
Well, though I'd love angrites to be shown to be from
Mercury but I've looked at some of the papers and they
sit neatly within the CV3 realm for oxygen isotope and
thermal metamorphosing of CV3 seems to give a pretty
good approximation of angrites. I suspect angrites are
not from Mercury (though
--- Peter A Shugar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My primary collection is Texas, of which I have 42.
So for me the Holy
Grail is any Texas that I don't have.
As to your question, I only have 2 Martians NWA 998
and NWA 1195 and I can't
decide which is my favorite. They both display very
--- Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
You paid the police a service fee for driving you
out to the site in their 2 trucks. Gasoline is
very
expensive there. Four dollars $4 a gallon if I
recall.
I gotta move to Peru. That's about half the cost of
gasoline in the UK at the
--- ensoramanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My question is...Could it be possible that the shock
veins were produced
as a direct result of the hypervelocity impact or is
that not
possibleare they much more likely to be formed
in space during
asteroid impacts.
O. Richard Norton's
Though I cling to my belief that Mars is a dead rock,
the more time goes by the more I realise I know
nothing.
Still, it'd be nice to br right on something.
This debate reminds me of Kim Stanley Robinson's books
where a discovered microbe was declared probably
terran.
I seem to remember one of
Meteor Crater is pretty much square. I believe
weathering has a lot to do with it. Even a desert gets
a fair bit of rain in 50,000 years.
I think I read that the original crater has been half
filled with weathered material though why it would be
square following this is anyones guess. Why not (?)
More than a little ambitious if you ask me.
This is assuming that any evidence isn't vapourised by
the impact of such earthites hitting at a minimum of
2.?km/s and also assuming that such unmolested
evidence is present wherever they intend to drill for
it.
They'd be better off waiting until the
Hmmm! I thought Norman Pace a comedian famous for
microwaving a cat? Brits, help me out. It'll be on
Youtube somewhere.
It's all very amusing (the life on Mars thing, not the
stuff to do with cats)
--- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, All,
Not everybody likes this idea...
**Mars will look as large as the full moon to the
naked eye** .
Someone needs to work on their geometry.
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this 'NEO deflection technology' that is
being developed, could it not potentially also be
(technically at least)
used to steer an impact to occur onto a 'foreign
power's country'?
perhaps even
Fascinating article from both yourself and Ron.
It left me thinking I could have thought of that if
only I were a little bit smarter as I knew all the
mechanisms involved.
To see what is right in front of your face is a
constant challenge
Meanwhile, we can
put
a sedimentary Martian Meteorite
--- samc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I get more convinced as time passes, that we *will*
find either active
or fossil life forms on Mars in my lifetime.
Don't kid yourself Mark,
I think you'd get better money if you put it on Mars
being proven to be a lifeless lump of rock and always
Darren,
You are my hero. I've been after something like this
for months and dared not spend £50 on a book (it's a
wife who doesn't understand the obsession thing).
I will be eternally grateful.
Rob McC
A while back I found a book/collection of papers
called Chondrules and Their
Origins on
May I draw peoples attention to a couple of points.
1: Global warming is definitely taking place. There
can be no doubt over this
2: There is absolutely no smoking gun suggesting it is
our fault
I'm happy to accept that we would be irresponsible to
ignore the phenomena and we should take steps
This post simply underlines a theory I had presented
to me 10 years ago, that global warming is just a
phase.
If as little as 13000 years ago, the sahara was
watered grassland, and the sahara grew before
industry, how likely that we are the influence of
climate change?
I do not work for Shell, BP,
The Qui Nhon Slope Anomaly, proposed as the source of
the Australian/Indonesian Tektites seems to be a
rather elusive thing to obtain iformation on.
Does anyone have access to this paper?
Source of the Australasian tektite strewn field - A
possible off-shore impact site
Authors:
Schnetzler,
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Mah.
MC
Mah?
Persian god of the moon and queen of the night
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Does anyone have access to and/or able to get me a
peek-a-boo at this article.
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/arizona/maps/2006/0041/0008/art3
I'd really like to peruse this. On the face of it, it
looks a potentially fascinating article.
Every day I learn a little
Many thanks to Harald and David for getting me this
paper.
Is there nothing you guys cannot achieve. I will read
it leisurly over a glass of wine tonight
Rob McC
--- David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Rob,
Attached is a pdf of this article. It will be public
access via ADS
--- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But they have alreay done that, I have been to the
Natural History Museum in London at least 8 or 9
times, and complete many trades with them, much of
it
NWA material.
I think this article may be somewhat misquoted or
taken out of context.
Nomads don't know what they're selling?
--- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem with that argument is that from the
stories that the people who go
to Morocco tell, those nomads aren't nearly as
clueless as the article writer
claims that they are. They may have been at
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