[meteorite-list] Is Ted Bunch an idiot?
Hello List, I bought an unclassified meteorite on ebay, cut it, thought it was really nice, unlike anything I had seen, so I sent it in for classification. Later, I sent a picture to the list and someone commented that it looked like NWA 869. So when the classification was complete, to avoid any trouble, I asked Ted Bunch if there was any possibility of NWA 2906 being paired with 869, he said; I have over 50 reference slices of 869 - we are doing a research project on this stone. In addition, I helped T. Boswell sort out odd balls from 400 kg 869. I have seen a lot of 869 and it does have many variations. Your stone is not 869. I quoted Ted on my auction; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6554595054 But someone on the list says he can tell from the pictures that it is NWA 869 and that I am an idiot for trying to sell it as something other than 869. So I am trying to figure this out, should I think Ted Bunch is an idiot even after he had just finished classifying this stone, ran a thin section through the probe and studied it under a microscope.? Or should I assume the guy who thinks he can tell from the picture is an idiot? I do not want to be selling something that is not what I said it was. If it is 869 I will make it clear, but I have to know who to believe, the meteorite scientist who studied it, or the unknown guy that can tell more from a picture than the guy who studied it. . Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is Ted Bunch an idiot?
You are calling a retired NASA scientist an idiot. No, if you read it, I am calling the other guy an idiot It would seem you do not understand sarcasm! Or are you saying the guy who can tell from the picture is correct, therefore I am calling Ted an idiot? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is Ted Bunch an idiot? Tom, you it seems are an idiot. You are calling a retired NASA scientist an idiot. I am in shock, just when I thought you could go no lower, it has happened. Please think before you type. No reply to me needed. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:03 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Is Ted Bunch an idiot? Hello List, I bought an unclassified meteorite on ebay, cut it, thought it was really nice, unlike anything I had seen, so I sent it in for classification. Later, I sent a picture to the list and someone commented that it looked like NWA 869. So when the classification was complete, to avoid any trouble, I asked Ted Bunch if there was any possibility of NWA 2906 being paired with 869, he said; I have over 50 reference slices of 869 - we are doing a research project on this stone. In addition, I helped T. Boswell sort out odd balls from 400 kg 869. I have seen a lot of 869 and it does have many variations. Your stone is not 869. I quoted Ted on my auction; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6554595054 But someone on the list says he can tell from the pictures that it is NWA 869 and that I am an idiot for trying to sell it as something other than 869. So I am trying to figure this out, should I think Ted Bunch is an idiot even after he had just finished classifying this stone, ran a thin section through the probe and studied it under a microscope.? Or should I assume the guy who thinks he can tell from the picture is an idiot? I do not want to be selling something that is not what I said it was. If it is 869 I will make it clear, but I have to know who to believe, the meteorite scientist who studied it, or the unknown guy that can tell more from a picture than the guy who studied it. . Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/77 - Release Date: 8/18/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ted Bunch
Hello List, Ted bunch in my opinion is among the best in his field! In an attempt to defend him and his opinion on a pairing issue I insulted him, that was not at all my intention! So I would like to apologize to him and those of you that thought I was insulting him in any way! I guess I should not use sarcasm, not everyone gets it. Like I said, Ted is great, I would love to know even a small fraction of what he knows! My attempt at being a meteorite collector is over, I thought this would be a neat hobby and a place to make some good new friends, but was I wrong! This will be my last post to the list, this hobby has brought nothing but pain! Good bye too the friends I did make! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Now that's what I call manuverability!
Hi List, Can meteorites collide with the space station, another student asked. we can maneuver the station to avoid them. Now this has to be some tricky driving! Is there two space stations now? Is there a four wheel drive version that drives around on earth? I would imagine it would be easy to maneuver around meteorites sitting on the ground, heck, just this morning I maneuvered around a rock in the middle of the road, I did not even have to get tricky. Or, is the space stations orbit degrading to where now it's orbit is only a few inches above the Earths surface? In that case, it might be tricky maneuvering around meteorites but I have been out there, there is not that many meteorites sitting on the ground to avoid, I just don't think it is an issue. Wait, maybe space shuttle astronauts bring meteorites up with them and return them to space near the station therefore causing the space station to avoid them? I sure hope there Nantans, hate to waste good meteorites for that! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Now that's what I call manuverability! Now this has to be some tricky driving! http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0817t-space-ON.html Can meteorites collide with the space station, another student asked. Yes, [NASA Flight Engineer and Science Officer John Phillips while he was aboard the space station] said, though, we can maneuver the station to avoid them. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 8/17/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad, NWA 2906 classification is in!
Hello List, the results are in! NWA 2906 Knud2 2004 215 1 L4 S2 W2 Fa 23.7 Fs 20.6 Erfoud 26.8 This is a real nice breccia! And, it is not paired with NWA 869, I asked Ted Bunch and he said; I have over 50 reference slices of 869 - we are doing a research project on this stone. In addition, I helped T. Boswell sort out odd balls from 400 kg 869. I have seen a lot of 869 and it does have many variations. Your stone is not 869. I Have a piece listed on ebay and this is the only full slice there is ever going to be, all the rest will be nice part slices, actually half slices. : ) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6554595054 And remember, why bid once when you can bid twice and pay twice as much! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 fa fs #'s????
Hello List, if there is still anyone out there. Does anyone happen to know the fa and fs of NWA 869 ? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some of you may have a free rare earth magnet
Darren Garrison wrote; If you have any AOL packages like this, it would be a nice little freebie to keep inside your wallet or something in case you might happen to need it. If you do not like your credit cards, driver licenses or any other cards that have the black strips on the back you could keep a strong magnet in your wallet. But, if you like them, do not keep a strong magnet anywhere near them, or they will not work next time you want to use it! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Some of you may have a free rare earth magnet I thought that this might be of interest to some of you because of magnets being used as a diagnostic tool in identifying meteorites. There is a type of AOL disc packaging that is a bulky square cardboard and plastic clamshell box. The two cardboard flaps snap together magneticly. I had a couple of them and was mildly curious to see what kind of magnets were inside (I assumed that it would be those weak, flexible magnets that are sold in rolls in craft stores). But what was inside is a very tiny but very strong (for the size) coated rare earth magnet-- possibly a Neodymium one. If you have any AOL packages like this, it would be a nice little freebie to keep inside your wallet or something in case you might happen to need it. Photo: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/tiny_magnet.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 8/15/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] STEVE'S ADS -- ONLY ONE
Hi Sterling and list, I to received six copies of Steve's email. I can assure you, I don't have a virus and if we did, wouldn't I get six emails from others as well? It must be a glitch somewhere if some got six and others did not. : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] STEVE'S ADS -- ONLY ONE Hi, List, I have no idea why a few people are receiving six copies of Steve's ad, but I can tell you that I received only one. If he had SENT six copies, we ALL would have gotten six copies, or no copies, if things were screwed up. So before we have a 31-message thread on The Six Copies, I'm pretty sure he didn't send six copies to the List, OK? It does happen spontaneously sometimes. There is a particular virus that does this, but it been so long since I was infested with it that I forget its name. I would receive multiple copies of an email and message the sender, why are you sending all these copies? and discover that they weren't! In my case, the virus was in my machine, that is, the computer receiving the multiple copies, so those who are receiving multiple copies might want to check their perimeter defenses, so to speak... If you're foolish enough to use Outlook Express, it won't do any good, but you should check anyway. Sterling Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] STEVE'S ADS -- ONLY ONE
Hi everyone, I checked the list archives, the archives received six copies from Steve or his server so we all should have got six copies. I am just posting this so you all don't panic thinking you have a virus, you probably do, but it was not behind your getting six messages! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STEVE'S ADS -- ONLY ONE I got 6 copies. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] STEVE'S ADS -- ONLY ONE Hi, List, I have no idea why a few people are receiving six copies of Steve's ad, but I can tell you that I received only one. If he had SENT six copies, we ALL would have gotten six copies, or no copies, if things were screwed up. So before we have a 31-message thread on The Six Copies, I'm pretty sure he didn't send six copies to the List, OK? It does happen spontaneously sometimes. There is a particular virus that does this, but it been so long since I was infested with it that I forget its name. I would receive multiple copies of an email and message the sender, why are you sending all these copies? and discover that they weren't! In my case, the virus was in my machine, that is, the computer receiving the multiple copies, so those who are receiving multiple copies might want to check their perimeter defenses, so to speak... If you're foolish enough to use Outlook Express, it won't do any good, but you should check anyway. Sterling Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
Hi All, Pluto has not been referred to as a planet for centuries In response; Pluto hasn't even been know for a century yet. Well, that would make Chris right, for all the centuries before it's discovery it had not been referred to as a planet. : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kashuba, Ontario, California [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet Hi John and others, Pluto hasn't even been know for a century yet. Far as I know it has only been recently that the status has been questioned with no real definition yet. --AL Kashuba, Ontario, California wrote: Chris and others, Pluto has not been referred to as a planet for centuries . John Kashuba __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
Hi list, I think they should name all those outer planet want-to-be's after carton characters, heck we already have Pluto, we can add Mickey and Mini, Daffy, Donald, bugs, porky, Sylvester and tweety! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet What about 'planitesimal'? I had always thought that referred to an object in orbit around the Sun that wasn't one of the 9 commonly accepted as 'planets'. Personally, speaking from a planeto-centrist view, I'd say that the next rock we find in orbit has to be at least the size of Mars before I could concede it might be a planet. Pluto I'm willing to grandfather in, but none of this frozen-uber-pea size stuff. Tracy Latimer From: AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:25:57 -0500 Hi Chris and all, I like the word Plutonianites for these larger objects, planets. Maybe PlutoPlanets. --AL Chris Peterson Wrote: I say come up with a new word. (for planets) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Plane lightpic of my new NWA 2905
Hello List, here is a plane light photo of the TS of my new NWA 2905 L4. Beings I have no idea what I am looking at, can one of you tell me if there is anything to learn from this picture? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/NWA2905.jpg Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The metachondrite question answered
Hey List, I found out what a metachondrite is, I guess, if someone wants to convert it to english, well it's in english, but it is all latin to me!!! : ) Metachondrites: Recrystallized and/OR Residual MANTLE Rocks From Multiple, LARGE Chondritic Parent Bodies. A. J. Irving1, T. E. Bunch2, D. Rumble, III3 and T. E. Larson4, 1Earth Space Sciences, University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 2Dept. of Geology, Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff, AZ 86011; 3Geophysical Laboratory, Washington, DC 20015; 4Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM 87545. Although the concept that multiple, relatively large, and differentiated planetary bodies existed in the early asteroid belt is not new [1], only recently has evidence from meteorite samples has been marshalled to support this idea [2]. The recovery of new specimens from Northwest Africa has made it possible to forensically reconstruct such planetary bodies from fragments representing core, mantle, crust and regolithic rocks. This relies on the assumption that such fragments will share common oxygen isotopic signatures. Some specimens are highly recrystallized rocks devoid of chondrules which possibly represent mantle samples. The term primitive achondrite has been applied to such rocks; yet, if they are texturally evolved rocks from chondritic precursors, we suggest that metachondrite is a better term. Metachondrite Groups: At least five different groups of metachondrites can be recognized, and each can be affiliated with a specific chondrite class utilizing oxygen isotopes: CV NWA 3133, NWA 1839 [2] CR NWA 3100, Tafassasset, LEW 88763 [2] CH Lodranites, acapulcoites [3] NWA 1463, NWA 1058 Winonaites (+ IAB irons) H NWA 2353, NWA 2635, NWA 3145 (+ IIE irons) Unique chondrites NWA 1463 [4] and NWA 1058 [5] may represent the regolith of the winonaite parent body [3]. Since these specimens contain obvious chondrules, they should not be termed achondrites (despite a likely genetic relationship). Metachondrites From the H Chondrite Parent Body: NWA 2353 (paired with NWA 3145) and NWA 2635 have polygonal-granular textures, no chondrules and, respectively: mean grainsize (0.2; 0.5 mm), olivine (Fa17.9-18.7, FeO/MnO = 34-38; Fa18.9, FeO/MnO = 35), orthopyroxene (Fs15.6Wo3.1 to Fs16.6Wo4.2, FeO/MnO = 19-26; Fs16.8Wo2.9, FeO/MnO = 20), plagioclase (An12.3Or6.7 to An27.4Or2.8; An15.1Or4.7), with accessory metal, chromite, merrillite and troilite. Clinopyroxene (Fs7.4Wo43.4 to Fs8.5Wo40.4, FeO/MnO = 16-22) occurs only in NWA 2353/3145. Their oxygen isotopic compositions (d18O = 5.51, 5.10; d17O = 3.31, 3.16; D17O = +0.440, +0.510 per mil for NWA 2353; d18O = 3.23, 2.98; d17O = 5.03, 4.37; D17O = +0.575, +0.676 per mil for NWA 2635) overlap those of H chondrites [6] and IIE irons [7]. References: [1] Wetherill G. 1992 Icarus, 100, 307-325; Chambers J. and Wetherill G. 2001 MAPS, 36, 381 [2] Irving A. et al. 2004 EOS, 85, #P31C-02; Bunch T. et al. 2005 LPS XXXVI, #2308 [3] Rumble D. et al. 2005 68th Met. Soc. Mtg., #5138 [4] Benedix G. et al. 2003 66th Met. Soc. Mtg., #5125 [5] Russell S. et al. 2003 Met. Bull. 87 [6] Clayton R. et al. 1991 GCA, 55, 2317-2337 [7] Clayton R. and Mayeda T. 1996 GCA, 60, 1999-2018. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tom's NWA 2905 and NWA 2906
Hello Bernd and List, I am very happy with these two stones and am looking forward to getting the official info back on them. There was questions about NWA 2906 being paired with NWA 869 and like Bernd said, I asked Ted Bunch and with his permission, I am quoting his answer; I have over 50 reference slices of 869 - we are doing a research project on this stone. In addition, I helped T. Boswell sort out odd balls from 400 kg 869. I have seen a lot of 869 and it does have many variations. Your stone is not 869. To me, if Ted says so, it is good enough for me! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:44 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Tom's NWA 2905 and NWA 2906 Hello Tom and List, I would like to congratulate Tom on having his NWA 2905 and NWA 2906 chondrites officially classified by Ted Bunch from NAU, who is presently writing up the classifications for these two stones. T.E. Bunch has classified such scientifically important NWA meteorites as NWA 032 (LUN-B), NWA 770 (CH), NWA 771 (AURE), NWA 772 (CK3), etc., etc. Ted told Tom that his NWA 2905 is an L4 and I had the pleasure of taking several digital pics of its gorgeous, gray chondrules and the dark pockets that may be carbonaceous xenoliths. Thanks Tom for the 4-gram slice. Ted also said Tom's NWA 2906 is an L4 breccia *unpaired* with NWA 869. T.E. Bunch in a private mail to Tom Knudson: Your stone is not 869. And Ted surely knows what he is saying after having helped sort out odd balls from 400 kg of NWA 869. Tom was also kind enough to send me a 7.6-gram slice of NWA 2906 so I was able to compare it to my NWA 869 pieces and to take two digital pictures of a conspicuously gray, kidney-shaped, probably achondritic inclusion. Never before have I seen something like that in any of my NWA 869 pieces and with T.E. Bunch's expertise we can be sure NWA 2906 is different from NWA 869! If anyone is interested in the pics I took, Tom will surely be glad to share them! Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Announcing a Gorgeous NEW ACAPULCOITE-NWA2714 (prov.)!
Darren wrote; If NWA 2714 comes from the same ~7.5 kilo stone as NWA 2656, then why a different number? That is a great question!! How can a new meteorite come from an old one? Was it brecciaed and this is the other half? I really want to know! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Announcing a Gorgeous NEW ACAPULCOITE-NWA2714 (prov.)! On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:11:38 -0700 (PDT), Arizona Skies Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If NWA 2714 comes from the same ~7.5 kilo stone as NWA 2656, then why a different number? http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/NWA_2714/index.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] way OT,windows XP help?
Hey List, This is as OT as you can get, but I need to know if an XP file can be sent by email and I know someone on this list will know. : ) A system file got deleted by mistake and it is causing all kinds of comp problems. I can have my ex send me a copy of the file, but I do not know if it will work. It is the rundll32.exe file and I think it could be sent and placed in it's original location it may work, but at this point I do not want to make matters worse by trying it with out knowing it is safe to do? I could just get it of the XP cd, but found out that this e-machine does not come with a XP cd. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Q: Good Source for Plastic Display Stands?
These are my favorites! http://www.migacorp.com/meteorite_display.htm Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Arizona Skies Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Q: Good Source for Plastic Display Stands? Hi all...does anyone know of a good website for plastic display stands? Thanks in advance! -John Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Metachondrites?????????????
Okay list, what in the heck is a Metachondrite? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA grounds future shuttle flights
Hi John and list, I have to wonder why they do not use some kind of netting imbedded in the foam so if it does break off, then it can't go anywhere. Kind of like the wire you see in some security glass or the same way they use chicken wire under plaster on houses. If I remember right they spray the foam on? If so the can loosely cover the parts with a netting and then spray on the foam? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 4:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA grounds future shuttle flights SPACE CENTER, Houston - NASA officials said Wednesday they are grounding future space shuttle flights because foam debris of the type that doomed the shuttle Columbia is still a risk. Read the full article here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8720825/ Regards, JKGwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 7/27/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Opinion Needed
CJ Lebel wrote; I seem to have made an idiot of myself in saying NOT to give out account numbers Well, I will gladly join you in the circle of idiots, because I will not give my account number out either! I was asked to one time and did not feel right and asked a few list members that warned me it was not a good idea. After all, I pay my car insurance using check by phone, all they ask for is the account number, routing number and what bank and state. If that is all they need to take money out of my account, anyone with that info can pay there bills using my account if they have that info and I have a hard enough time paying my bills, I am not about to pay someone else's for them! Sorry, there are plenty of other methods to send money with out taking chances you don't need to take! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Peanut .. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Opinion Needed Hello All, I seem to have made an idiot of myself in saying NOT to give out account numbers. I have always heard it was a bad practice and didn't realize it was such a common practice in Europe. Please forgive my paranoia! CJ Lebel IMCA# 3432 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cjsmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] An Asteroid Headed Our Way (2004 MN4 - 99942Apophis)
Hi List, I have to ask, is it right to mess with mother nature? From the beginning of time cosmic events have been part of nature. If mother nature thinks it's time for mankind to end, then do we have the right to stop it? Natural disasters are part of life, we will never stop earthquakes, tornados, tidal waves, hurricanes or volcano's, because we can not, should we stop asteroids just because we can? I say, let nature take it's coarse! : ) Heck, if it were not for asteroids, we would be watching out for T-rex's when ever we went out to the store for milk! Mother nature knows what she's doing, let her do her thing! Any women right activists out there to give an opinion on this? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] An Asteroid Headed Our Way (2004 MN4 - 99942Apophis) http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0726/p01s04-stss.html An asteroid, headed our way By Peter N. Spotts The Christian Science Monitor July 26, 2005 Humans live in a vast solar system where 2,000 feet seems a razor-thin distance. Yet it's just wide enough to trigger concerns that an asteroid due to buzz Earth on April 13, 2029 may shift its orbit enough to return and strike the planet seven years later. The concern: Within the object's range of possible fly-by distances lie a handful of gravitational sweet spots, areas some 2,000 feet across that are also known as keyholes. The physics may sound complex, but the potential ramifications are plain enough. If the asteroid passes through the most probable keyhole, its new orbit would send it slamming into Earth in 2036. It's unclear to some experts whether ground-based observatories alone will be able to provide enough accurate information in time to mount a mission to divert the asteroid, if that becomes necessary. So NASA researchers have begun considering whether the US needs to tag the asteroid, known as 99942 Apophis, with a radio beacon before 2013. Timing is everything, astronomers say. If officials attempt to divert the asteroid before 2029, they need to nudge the space rock's position by roughly half a mile - something well within the range of existing technology. After 2029, they would need to shove the asteroid by a distance as least as large as Earth's diameter. That feat would tax humanity's current capabilities. NASA's review of the issue was triggered by a letter from the B612 Foundation. The foundation's handful of specialists hope to demonstrate controlled asteroid-diversion techniques by 2015. Last Wednesday, representatives from the foundation met with colleagues at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) to review the issue. The foundation's letter marks the first time specialists in the asteroid-hazard field have called for a scouting mission to assess such a threat. We understand the risk from this object, and while it's small, it's not zero, says David Morrison, the senior scientist at NASA's Astrobiology Institute at the Ames Research Center at Moffett Field, Calif. The call for a reconnaissance mission also illustrates how far the field of asteroid-hazard assessment has come. Ten years ago, we would have been blissfully ignorant, says Donald Yeomans, who heads NASA's near-Earth object project at JPL. Today, at least five programs worldwide are hunting down near-Earth objects. NASA is well on its way toward achieving its goal of cataloging 90 percent of the near-Earth objects larger than 0.6 miles across by 2008. And it is devising ways to ensure that information about potential hazards reaches top decisionmakers throughout the government. Based on available data, astronomers give Apophis - a 1,000-foot wide chunk of space debris - a 1-in-15,000 chance of a 2036 strike. Yet if the asteroid hits, they add, damage to infrastructure alone could exceed $400 billion. When the possibility of the asteroid passing through two other keyholes is taken into account, the combined chance of the asteroid hitting the planet shifts to 1 in 10,000, notes Clark Chapman, a senior scientist with the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colo. A frequent flier probably would not want to board an airliner if there's a 1-in-10,000 chance it's going to crash, he says. The asteroid in question was discovered last June. Initially, it looked as though it might strike Earth in 2029. But additional observations eliminated that possibility. Instead the asteroid will come within 22,600 miles of Earth - just inside the altitude where major communications satellites orbit. The asteroid will be visible to the naked eye in the night skies over Europe and western Africa, where it will appear a bit dimmer than the North Star. But this estimated distance carries an uncertainty that spans several thousand miles either side of its expected path - a
Re: [meteorite-list] An Asteroid Headed Our Way (2004 MN4-99942Apophis)
Chris wrote; A few hundred years ago the bubonic plague was a natural disaster. Should we throw away penicillin Sure, I prefer Amoxicilin anyways! : ) I personally would consider the bubonic plague a epidemic not really a natural disaster. Just like Aids, it's a epidemic, there is nothing natural about having sex with monkeys so therefore not a natural disaster. P.S. in case you are not aware, they think aids started my some pervert getting a little to personal with a monkey. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] An Asteroid Headed Our Way (2004 MN4-99942Apophis) A few hundred years ago the bubonic plague was a natural disaster. Should we throw away penicillin? Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] An Asteroid Headed Our Way (2004 MN4 -99942Apophis) Hi List, I have to ask, is it right to mess with mother nature? From the beginning of time cosmic events have been part of nature. If mother nature thinks it's time for mankind to end, then do we have the right to stop it? Natural disasters are part of life, we will never stop earthquakes, tornados, tidal waves, hurricanes or volcano's, because we can not, should we stop asteroids just because we can? I say, let nature take it's coarse! : ) Heck, if it were not for asteroids, we would be watching out for T-rex's when ever we went out to the store for milk! Mother nature knows what she's doing, let her do her thing! Any women right activists out there to give an opinion on this? Thanks, Tom __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] An Asteroid Headed Our Way (2004 MN4 -99942Apophis)
Hi Pete and list, Do you really believe mother nature is a calculating, sentient, deity-like existence in control of all things in the universe? Or would the comet/asteroid be doing the thinking? No, of course not, but I do believe s _ _ t happens! If humans cause a disaster, we should fix it, like oil spills and the ozone layer, but other things should be left alone. Look at the fire problems humans created at Yellowstone, they thought for years they should put out all fires, but then learned to let them burn. I am not afraid to die, I believe when it's your time, it is your time, I have been around plenty long enough. I would love for the last thing I ever see, to be the best fireball ever, what a way to go! Also, your belief about the origin of AIDS is urban legend - you need a new source for information. I heard they traced it back to the start, a gay bath house in SF, a gay cruise, a whore house in Africa, and a monkey F_ _ ker who frequented the said whore house, but that is only saw on the discovery channel, but they could have wrong! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] An Asteroid Headed Our Way (2004 MN4 -99942Apophis) Hi, all, Hi, Tom, I thought this was tongue-in-cheek, but your second post indicates it's not! Mother nature knows what she's doing, let her do her thing! Do you really believe mother nature is a calculating, sentient, deity-like existence in control of all things in the universe? Or would the comet/asteroid be doing the thinking? Also, your belief about the origin of AIDS is urban legend - you need a new source for information. Beam me outta here! Regards, Pete (You were kidding, right?) From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] An Asteroid Headed Our Way (2004 MN4 -99942Apophis) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:27:01 -0700 Hi List, I have to ask, is it right to mess with mother nature? From the beginning of time cosmic events have been part of nature. If mother nature thinks it's time for mankind to end, then do we have the right to stop it? Natural disasters are part of life, we will never stop earthquakes, tornados, tidal waves, hurricanes or volcano's, because we can not, should we stop asteroids just because we can? I say, let nature take it's coarse! : ) Heck, if it were not for asteroids, we would be watching out for T-rex's when ever we went out to the store for milk! Mother nature knows what she's doing, let her do her thing! Any women right activists out there to give an opinion on this? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] An Asteroid Headed Our Way (2004 MN4 - 99942Apophis) http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0726/p01s04-stss.html An asteroid, headed our way By Peter N. Spotts The Christian Science Monitor July 26, 2005 Humans live in a vast solar system where 2,000 feet seems a razor-thin distance. Yet it's just wide enough to trigger concerns that an asteroid due to buzz Earth on April 13, 2029 may shift its orbit enough to return and strike the planet seven years later. The concern: Within the object's range of possible fly-by distances lie a handful of gravitational sweet spots, areas some 2,000 feet across that are also known as keyholes. The physics may sound complex, but the potential ramifications are plain enough. If the asteroid passes through the most probable keyhole, its new orbit would send it slamming into Earth in 2036. It's unclear to some experts whether ground-based observatories alone will be able to provide enough accurate information in time to mount a mission to divert the asteroid, if that becomes necessary. So NASA researchers have begun considering whether the US needs to tag the asteroid, known as 99942 Apophis, with a radio beacon before 2013. Timing is everything, astronomers say. If officials attempt to divert the asteroid before 2029, they need to nudge the space rock's position by roughly half a mile - something well within the range of existing technology. After 2029, they would need to shove the asteroid by a distance as least as large as Earth's diameter. That feat would tax humanity's current capabilities. NASA's review of the issue was triggered by a letter from the B612 Foundation. The foundation's handful of specialists hope to demonstrate controlled asteroid-diversion techniques by 2015. Last Wednesday, representatives from the foundation met with colleagues at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL
Re: [meteorite-list] An Asteroid Headed Our Way (2004 MN4-99942Apophis)
Hi Jerry, The mind's and it's technology would be a waste of millions if not billions of years of evolution. I guess we should stop the asteroid, besides, what would N. Korea do with their nuclear weapons if an asteroid destroyed the earth first. Life as we know it is going to end one way or the other someday, and I would rather it be an asteroid than The mind's and it's technology Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Dawn Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] An Asteroid Headed Our Way (2004 MN4-99942Apophis) Hey Tom, we're part and parcel of what Mother Nature's conjured up, so why not do her bidding. The mind's and it's technology would be a waste of millions if not billions of years of evolution. Jerry - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] An Asteroid Headed Our Way (2004 MN4 -99942Apophis) Hi List, I have to ask, is it right to mess with mother nature? From the beginning of time cosmic events have been part of nature. If mother nature thinks it's time for mankind to end, then do we have the right to stop it? Natural disasters are part of life, we will never stop earthquakes, tornados, tidal waves, hurricanes or volcano's, because we can not, should we stop asteroids just because we can? I say, let nature take it's coarse! : ) Heck, if it were not for asteroids, we would be watching out for T-rex's when ever we went out to the store for milk! Mother nature knows what she's doing, let her do her thing! Any women right activists out there to give an opinion on this? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] An Asteroid Headed Our Way (2004 MN4 - 99942Apophis) http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0726/p01s04-stss.html An asteroid, headed our way By Peter N. Spotts The Christian Science Monitor July 26, 2005 Humans live in a vast solar system where 2,000 feet seems a razor-thin distance. Yet it's just wide enough to trigger concerns that an asteroid due to buzz Earth on April 13, 2029 may shift its orbit enough to return and strike the planet seven years later. The concern: Within the object's range of possible fly-by distances lie a handful of gravitational sweet spots, areas some 2,000 feet across that are also known as keyholes. The physics may sound complex, but the potential ramifications are plain enough. If the asteroid passes through the most probable keyhole, its new orbit would send it slamming into Earth in 2036. It's unclear to some experts whether ground-based observatories alone will be able to provide enough accurate information in time to mount a mission to divert the asteroid, if that becomes necessary. So NASA researchers have begun considering whether the US needs to tag the asteroid, known as 99942 Apophis, with a radio beacon before 2013. Timing is everything, astronomers say. If officials attempt to divert the asteroid before 2029, they need to nudge the space rock's position by roughly half a mile - something well within the range of existing technology. After 2029, they would need to shove the asteroid by a distance as least as large as Earth's diameter. That feat would tax humanity's current capabilities. NASA's review of the issue was triggered by a letter from the B612 Foundation. The foundation's handful of specialists hope to demonstrate controlled asteroid-diversion techniques by 2015. Last Wednesday, representatives from the foundation met with colleagues at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) to review the issue. The foundation's letter marks the first time specialists in the asteroid-hazard field have called for a scouting mission to assess such a threat. We understand the risk from this object, and while it's small, it's not zero, says David Morrison, the senior scientist at NASA's Astrobiology Institute at the Ames Research Center at Moffett Field, Calif. The call for a reconnaissance mission also illustrates how far the field of asteroid-hazard assessment has come. Ten years ago, we would have been blissfully ignorant, says Donald Yeomans, who heads NASA's near-Earth object project at JPL. Today, at least five programs worldwide are hunting down near-Earth objects. NASA is well on its way toward achieving its goal of cataloging 90 percent of the near-Earth objects larger than 0.6 miles across by 2008. And it is devising
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 full of #2???
Steve Arnold The First wrote; (I am not sure I like that term #1 anymore, it kind of is leaving a strange taste in my mouth all of a sudden...) Well I can assure you it tastes better than # 2 Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 full of #2??? Hey list, I was going to wait a little longer and let that last post of mine soak in a little more before following up, but I am going to be out of the house for much of this evening, and I was a little concerned it might start to smell too bad unless I cleaned it up first. Sometimes I forget that this is a serious scientific list, and that some people here might not understand or appreciate strange Arkansas humor (also now known as #1 and #2 humor). So... No, #2 did NOT really do #1 on the floor at our party. While some have accused me, #1, of being full of #2, I am confident that this last post proves them right. I wrote all that last post to make my original point: if it were 75% factually correct, which I am sure (even with the typos) it was more than 75% correct, it still paints a very inaccurate picture of what really happened that night at our party. Such is the case with all too many of the meteorite stories we all see out there in the professional media, because you do expect the media to be right nearly all of the time, and at worst just a little biased. Then their so called corrections get buried in small print on page #29D (if a meteorite article was ever corrected at all). At least here on the list our follow up, comments and corrections get the same exposure as the original mistakes. Anyway, I appreciate Mr. Arnold #2 of Chicago being a good sport about this once again, and for you all bearing with a topic that did seem to go off topic, if not at least off colored. You gotta love this place! Long live the meteorite list. Steve Arnold The First (I am not sure I like that term #1 anymore, it kind of is leaving a strange taste in my mouth all of a sudden...) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.14/48 - Release Date: 7/13/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Awards Moon Rock to Former Astronaut Stafford
The awards remain the property of NASA; however, each lunar sample will be on long-term loan to the museum or learning institution of the recipient's choice How generous of them! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 12:48 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Awards Moon Rock to Former Astronaut Stafford Sonja Alexander/Doc Mirelson Headquarters, Washington July 11, 2005 (Phone: 202/358-1600) RELEASE: 05-179 NASA AWARDS MOON ROCK TO FORMER ASTRONAUT STAFFORD Former NASA astronaut Lt. Gen. Thomas P. Stafford, USAF (Ret.) will receive a commemorative moon rock as part of NASA's Ambassador of Exploration program. NASA will present the lunar sample to Stafford at 2 p.m. EDT, Tuesday at the Thomas P. Stafford Air Space Museum in Weatherford, Okla. The program honors the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo astronauts who made lunar landings from 1969 to 1972. The awards remain the property of NASA; however, each lunar sample will be on long-term loan to the museum or learning institution of the recipient's choice. His sample will be on long-term loan to the Stafford museum in Weatherford. Stafford was part of the Apollo 10 crew that launched May 18, 1969. The mission tested the lunar landing module, while orbiting the moon. it was the final test flight before the historic Apollo 11 lunar landing. Stafford also piloted NASA's Gemini VI mission in 1965 and commanded the Gemini IX mission in 1966. For Stafford museum and event information, call: 580/772-5871; or visit their Web site at: www.staffordairandspacemuseum.com For information about NASA and agency programs on the Internet, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/home/index.html -end- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.12/46 - Release Date: 7/11/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA UNCLASSIFIED QUESTION
Hey Jim, That is just Deans numbering system and has nothing at all to do with it's type. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA UNCLASSIFIED QUESTION I bought an unclassified nwa meteorite from Dean Bessey. He had it listed as R70. QUESTION is- Was R-70 just his numbering system? Or was 70 the NWA number? If it was the nwa #, any daty on it other then it is a rumurutiite? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/45 - Release Date: 7/9/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] xenolithic breccia's?
Hello good people of the list!!! Sure is slow today!!! So, what is a xenolithic breccia? What meteorites are considered a xenolithic breccia? On Google, I only find Ghubara, but that can't be the only one. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help, your opinion needed
Chris wrote; The illusion of fireball nearness is very strong Your not kidding, I once saw a fireball that I looked like you could reach out and touch it. I knew better, I knew it was still miles high and many miles away, but it sure looked like it was a few feet away. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help, your opinion needed While the object you have sounds interesting, and may or may not be a meteorite, I'd wager that what you saw was actually a good hundred miles away. I get many witness reports for fireballs that insist the event skimmed the trees, came down in the field across the street, etc. In no case I've examined have these reports been remotely accurate, and I know of no case ever where a fireball was seen to impact the ground near an observer. The illusion of fireball nearness is very strong. I wouldn't normally try to identify a meteorite from a photograph. I would say that I've never encountered a meteorite with enough iron to show as visible inclusions that wasn't also noticeably ferromagnetic. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Help, your opinion needed In 1957 I witnessed a fireball come down from the very start(I was looking in the right place) to it's finish. In fact it came so close I thaught it might hit me, but it slightly arked up and flew over head at about 50 feet between me and a telephone poll, droping multi colored teardrops behind it. It skimed the tree tops two blocks away and landed. It was the most AWSUM thing I have ever seen, at that time. Well some years later I searched the area and found what looked like a cinder rock. It was all burned and even had a yellow-green crust in spots. It was not magnetic but was quite heavy. So I kepted it all of these years thinking it was not a meteorite. Well today I cut it open to find bright metal, looks like nickel, and a few white clats (moon type?) So maybe it could me a meteorite. I also thought impactasite, but from whare? It has mostly a gray color and sections are of a olive drab green color and look quite glassy. And in the holes there seems to been a green glassy shine. If anyone has any idea as to what it sounds like please let me know your thoughts. If anyone is interested enough I would be happy to send you a few pictures. Thanks Jim __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 7/8/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] only a test
Either no one is posting or my email is not working, so this is a test! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet
She earlier told the paper that the experiment would deform her horoscope I think she should first worry about her deformed brain! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Russian Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050705/D8B578DG0.html Russian Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Jul 5, 7:51 AM (ET) (AP) In this photo released by NASA/Jet Propulsion Laboratory/University of Maryland, the Tempel 1 comet... Full Image MOSCOW (AP) - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet raised more than cosmic dust - it also brought a lawsuit from a Russian astrologer. Marina Bai has sued the U.S. space agency, claiming the Deep Impact probe that punched a crater into the comet Tempel 1 late Sunday ruins the natural balance of forces in the universe, the newspaper Izvestia reported Tuesday. A Moscow court has postponed hearings on the case until late July, the paper said. The probe's comet crash sent up a cloud of debris that scientists hope to examine to learn how the solar system was formed. Bai is seeking damages totaling 8.7 billion rubles ($300 million) - the approximate equivalent of the mission's cost - for her moral sufferings, Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told the paper that the experiment would deform her horoscope. NASA representatives in Russia could not immediately be reached for comment. Scientists say the crash did not significantly alter the comet's orbit around the sun and said the experiment does not pose any danger to Earth. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9/39 - Release Date: 7/4/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help Hunting the Winslow Crater
No hope for poor ol' Bob unless he has good camo! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help Hunting the Winslow Crater Dear AZ friends, Any odds on Bob being arrested by the county sherriff and the $250 fine? Inquiring minds want to know! Dave F. Bob Evans wrote: Hello, I'll be hunting the meteor crater in AZ next week. My question is ( for people who have hunted the crater successfully ) how far away from the crater can I hunt and still have a reasonable chance of finding some meteorites? Anyone have any tips on where there were concentrations of fragments? Or is there any website that has the find locations mapped out? Thanks Bob Evans __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9/39 - Release Date: 7/4/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] nwa unclassiifeds,you never know what you get
Steve, don't tell us, show us! Take pictures and let us see them! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] nwa unclassiifeds,you never know what you get Hi list.I just got a kilo of unclassiifed saharans and 4 of them are just choke full of high metal.I sanded of a small corner of one of them and I can not believe the metal in that piece.All in all I got 22 piece.4 of them do not have much of a pull to a magnet.I am going to sand down the rest of them and see what is what.You just never know what you get. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.7/34 - Release Date: 6/29/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Care to take a guess?
Hello List, my saw went crazy and I cut this unclassified stone. It has great crust, but seems to be very weathered. Has a large spot of metal, but even more trolite (?) Pretty cool anyways! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1421.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1424.jpg Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Good on list topic! Explain this!
Hello List, here is something strange that I am hoping someone can explain! This unclassified NWA has Veins running through it, I would have guessed shock, but now I am thinking weathering. One of these veins at the edge of the meteorite has a grain of sand (actually a few, but only one big one) inside the vein. I am baffled, it is part of the meteorite now It is the clear spot on the top middle of the picture. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1430.jpg Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT; NASA coverup?
Hello List, the list is rather slow, so I thought I might ask a question. I think I discovered a NASA cover-up! I was reading a page on the NASA website; http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/FactSheets/FS-011-DFRC.html I noticed this story; The M2-F2 weighed 4,620 pounds without ballast, was roughly 22 feet long, and had a width of about 10 feet. On May 10, 1967, during the sixteenth glide flight leading up to powered flight, a landing accident severely damaged the vehicle and seriously injured the NASA pilot, Bruce Peterson. I don't know what kind of crap NASA is trying to pull, but I remember that accident like it was yesterday! Ya, the pilot was seriously injured and there was damage to the vehicle, but saying Bruce Peterson was the pilot is either a mistake or a cover-up! If you remember, the pilot of that flight was Colonel Steve Austin. He lost an eye, both legs and an arm in the accident! But they took care of it, remember? We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to make the world's first Bionic man. Steve Austin will be that man. Better than he was before. Better . . . stronger . . . faster. Is NASA trying to hide the fact that they spent six million of our tax dollars? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] looking for a nice piece of SIKOTE-ALIN
Hi Steve, I have a super oriented SA I will sell for $250, that is only $19 a gram, it weighs 13 grams : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for a nice piece of SIKOTE-ALIN Hi list.I am looking for a $250 and $350 piece of sikote-alin.Can someone help me out? steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 6/23/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad, beautiful 32g brecciated meteorite
Hey List, I am trying to save up for a meteorite I want, so I put one of my favorite meteorites on ebay at a 99 cent opening bid and no reserve! It is a beautiful meteorite, you might want to check it out. Hey, you might get it for 99 cents, and believe me, it is worth at least that much! : ) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=6542051779; rd=1 Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What??? I am confused
Hi list, I don't understand what I am looking at here! Is this weathering? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/06_1_b.jpg Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad, Allende Amgala, Thuathe individuals
Hello List, I put some little individuals on ebay at pretty fair prices, IMHO 2 gram Allende http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6541622364 2.4g Amgala / Oum Dreyga http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6541617079 3.11g Thuathe http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6541619489 Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT; happy fathers day to all you dads!
Hey List, I just wanted to wish all the dads a happy fathers day! I heard a funny fathers day thing today; All dads want for fathers day is some time alone with your mom, so get the heck out of the house and let daddy have the kind of fun he had with mommy before you came along and ruined everything! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD; pre-classification sale, NWA 2906
Hello List, I am bored so I thought I would try something new, a pre-classification (bid) sale! This meteorite is at NAU getting classified as you read this. It has been given the name NWA 2906 and this is the ONLY FULL SLICE in existence so if you like full slices, this is your only chance to have one from this new meteorite. The TKW of NWA 2906 was 194 grams. The rest of this meteorite is in part slices and the main mass. This was purchased in Rissani, Morocco, so unless nwa 869 is from Rissani, they should not be paired, or that is one big strewn field! : ) I sent a part slice to Bernd Pauli, the human book and he was nice enough to write this up. NWA 2906, L4, regolith breccia with an assortment of clasts (7.6-gram slice from Tom) According to a preliminary analysis by Ted Bunch from NAU, NWA 2906 might be an L4 asteroidal regolith breccia. The cut and polished slice shows an assortment of different clasts, chondrules, and chondrule fragments. It is fairly rich in troilite (FeS) and nickel-iron (FeNi) metal, several FeNi blebs harbor troilite islands. The following gamut of chondrule types have been observed in NWA 2906: barred olivine chondrules (BO), porphyritic olivine pyroxene chondrules (POP), armored chondrules, radiating pyroxene chondrules (RP), and a few polysomatic BO chondrules. While several chondrules still have well-defined rims, others show poorly delineated rims which would be indicative of an L4-5 or L5 chondrite. The degree of recrystallization of the matrix would also point to an L5 classi- fication. Some small matrix areas are shock-darkened and criss-crossed by black, glossy melt veinlets. *One totally amorphous, kidney-shaped, grayish inclusion is probably an achondritic xenolith.* *my note, this slice does not have this inclusion.* if you want a part slice with this inclusion, we can talk. : ) For all the non ebayers, we will try the old; send me your maximum bid up to Monday night (6/20) and the highest bid gets it. : ) We will talk about how you want it shipped and determine the actual shipping costs. : ) This full slice is 11.5g's but is only about 2mm thick. It measures about 2.5 inches X 1 1/4 inches and is polished on both sides. Cut real thin for maximum surface; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1362.jpg front; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1363.jpg Barred Chondrule; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1360.jpg Back; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1365.jpg matrix; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1356.jpg Something : ) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1000.jpg Thanks for looking, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD; pre-classification sale, NWA 2906
Bob, that's the problem with NWA 869, any meteorite out of NWA that is anywhere between L3.8 and L6 is automatically 869 that is why 869 is so huge, there can be no other L's from Africa now. I think Ted Bunch would have recognized it as 869 if it were, but we will see. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD; pre-classification sale, NWA 2906 Tom, With all due respect.. that's NWA 869. I don't care if it was purchased in Siberia its still 869 Bob - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD; pre-classification sale, NWA 2906 Hello List, I am bored so I thought I would try something new, a pre-classification (bid) sale! This meteorite is at NAU getting classified as you read this. It has been given the name NWA 2906 and this is the ONLY FULL SLICE in existence so if you like full slices, this is your only chance to have one from this new meteorite. The TKW of NWA 2906 was 194 grams. The rest of this meteorite is in part slices and the main mass. This was purchased in Rissani, Morocco, so unless nwa 869 is from Rissani, they should not be paired, or that is one big strewn field! : ) I sent a part slice to Bernd Pauli, the human book and he was nice enough to write this up. NWA 2906, L4, regolith breccia with an assortment of clasts (7.6-gram slice from Tom) According to a preliminary analysis by Ted Bunch from NAU, NWA 2906 might be an L4 asteroidal regolith breccia. The cut and polished slice shows an assortment of different clasts, chondrules, and chondrule fragments. It is fairly rich in troilite (FeS) and nickel-iron (FeNi) metal, several FeNi blebs harbor troilite islands. The following gamut of chondrule types have been observed in NWA 2906: barred olivine chondrules (BO), porphyritic olivine pyroxene chondrules (POP), armored chondrules, radiating pyroxene chondrules (RP), and a few polysomatic BO chondrules. While several chondrules still have well-defined rims, others show poorly delineated rims which would be indicative of an L4-5 or L5 chondrite. The degree of recrystallization of the matrix would also point to an L5 classi- fication. Some small matrix areas are shock-darkened and criss-crossed by black, glossy melt veinlets. *One totally amorphous, kidney-shaped, grayish inclusion is probably an achondritic xenolith.* *my note, this slice does not have this inclusion.* if you want a part slice with this inclusion, we can talk. : ) For all the non ebayers, we will try the old; send me your maximum bid up to Monday night (6/20) and the highest bid gets it. : ) We will talk about how you want it shipped and determine the actual shipping costs. : ) This full slice is 11.5g's but is only about 2mm thick. It measures about 2.5 inches X 1 1/4 inches and is polished on both sides. Cut real thin for maximum surface; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1362.jpg front; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1363.jpg Barred Chondrule; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1360.jpg Back; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1365.jpg matrix; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1356.jpg Something : ) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1000.jpg Thanks for looking, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.4/16 - Release Date: 6/15/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 2906, NWA 869
Hi Jeff, I sure agree! My feelings are that if you had a witnessed fall in Tucson during the show and witnessed by 200 dealers and if it looks anything like 869 they would call it 869 and accuse someone of dropping it from a plane! It is all over for L's because of 869, now they all will be called 869 by someone! : ) Bob summed it up when he said I don't care if it was purchased in Siberia its still 869, if it's an L it is now considered 869. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Jeff Pringle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 9:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 2906, NWA 869 Bob wrote: With all due respect.. that's NWA 869. See, I would have said that had too much rust staining (aren't those chondrules a little vague as well?)to be 869...though I don't claim to be an expert. I have bought a couple unclassified stones (allegedly from Rissani) that look waaay more 869ish than those photos. I still think them what claim to know this mysterious meteorite ought to step up to the plate (out on that limb?) and say what makes 869 distinctively 869. Greenish tint to crust? Bluish tint to matrix? List the clast types? Describe, in some way, something? Haven't you noticed that when you get ten people saying you know it when you see it, at least two of those people are talking about something else entirely? Jeff __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.4/16 - Release Date: 6/15/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Desert eucrite collection.
Hello Walter and list, Walter wrote; Actually, Freud was quite fond of saying, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I thought that Bill Clinton said that! Or was Bill just fond of cigars, I forget. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Desert eucrite collection. Martin wondered, Hmmm. I wonder what Freud would say? Actually, Freud was quite fond of saying, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. -Walter Branch - - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Desert eucrite collection. Hello Martin, Dave and list, Dave Schultz wrote: ... maim masses... Martin wondered, Hmmm. I wonder what Freud would say? I think Freud would blame it on his mother. I always tend to lean towards Wasson. Wasson would blame the general collecting community I think. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.4/16 - Release Date: 6/15/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] TS stains?
Hello List, One thin section making company talks about staining thin sections and even say they stain half of the section unless otherwise requested. What is the point of stains and do you want a meteorite TS stained in such a manor? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TS stains?
Hi John; For example, if you're looking for micro fossils in limestone thanks, not much use for meteorites unless it is the frass. : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TS stains? Depending on the material being studied, sometimes it's imperative to stain it. For example, if you're looking for micro fossils in limestone, the material needs to be stained in order for you to see it. JKG At 04:32 PM 6/14/2005, Tom Knudson wrote: Hello List, One thin section making company talks about staining thin sections and even say they stain half of the section unless otherwise requested. What is the point of stains and do you want a meteorite TS stained in such a manor? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.3/15 - Release Date: 6/14/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
Jeff wrote; NWA 869 a garbage can for all kinds of unclassified ordinary chondrites? That's my vote! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 Okay list, time to make yourselves useful... Everybody wants the NomCom to publish and make official the name NWA 869. So please, if you know anything, help contribute to the facts so I can produce a writeup for submission to the committee. Here's what I've got: * At least 400 kg of material has been sold out of markets in Morocco under this name. * Alan Rubin classified a piece. It was a fragmental breccia, probably L4-6. A thin section of L5 material gave Fa24.2, S3, W1. So what's the rest of the story? How much is out actually there? When did it appear on the market? Is it all coming from one finder/dealer? Is the find location known? Is it really L4-6 (is this the right range)? Is it all coming from the same fall, or is the name NWA 869 a garbage can for all kinds of unclassified ordinary chondrites? What large stones are in collections? Are other NWAs paired with 869? Which? Please reply to the list only... I don't need a separate copy. jeff Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] wow what a time I am having
Hi Steve, have you been down to Jones town? I think it is south of where you are, but they have world famous Lemon-aid, that is really good after a long, hot day of meteorite hunting , especially if you were unsuccessful. : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:27 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] wow what a time I am having Wow list,what a time I am having down here.I have taken some great pics down here.After I get home I will have some up on my website.I tell you,the area down here is gret for hunting.Alot of it is wide open,especially by the ocean.I have gotten dark I look like the locals down here.Oh well 2 more days then back home.I have 13 new meteorites waiting for me when I get back home.It has been 90 or better everyday,the ocean at least 85 degrees as well.And oh my god, all the pretty senoritas.That is a tale for another time. bye bye from mazatlan,steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.8 - Release Date: 6/11/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] where to make thin section?
Hey Dave, Thanks, but I got several replies off list. : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Dave Mouat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] where to make thin section? Tom et al.: Since there has been only one response so far to your query, let me suggest that you do a google on either thin sections or petrographic thin sections Tom Knudson wrote: Hello List, I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get a thin section made? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] thin section waste?
Hi Mike, that's not what I asked, I asked, if it needs to be so thin, why cut a 10mm piece and cut it again to 2 to 4 mm, why not start with a piece that thin to begin with? NAU recommends a thin section maker and they want the piece 27 x 46 mm rectangular and 10mm thick, I see no reason to waste 3/4's of it. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] thin section waste? Tom, will, then why waste the time and glue to paste it to the slide? Just throw a chunk in the machine. Of course, then you will destroy a multi-million $$$ machine but hay, you saved some material from being ground away. A thin section is made so thin that light can pass through the meteorite! It has to be ground down that thin. Have you ever seen a thin section? Mike - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] thin section waste? Hi List, I know nothing about thin sections or how they are made. So, I went to Google like a good boy and read about it. All the sites I visited said the same thing, but gave no explanation. They said you end up with a chip it is the piece that is clued to the slide. They say to, take a chip 27 x 46 mm rectangular and 10mm thick epoxy it to the glass then cut off the chip as close to the glass as possible leaving just a thin slice attached to the glass. Okay, I said in the beginning, I know nothing about thin sections, but that seems like a waste of time and material to me!!! You just wasted 3/4's of the material! Why not take a piece 27 x 46mm and 4mm thick and epoxy it to the glass and save your self the second cut and 6mm of your material? You can call me what you will, but I can not see the reasoning behind the waste! If you are making a lunar thin section, that is an expensive proposition! http://almandine.geol.wwu.edu/other/thinsections/ Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] thin section waste?
Hi Mike You did not specify that it was a particular situation with exact needs (for example the 10mm that they request). In my first post I wrote; They say to, take a chip 27x 46 mm rectangular and 10mm thick epoxy it to the glass then cut off the chip as close to the glass as possible leaving just a thin slice attached to the glass. And the web link was posted at the bottom. I think it was just a miscommunication, no harm done and thanks for your reply! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] thin section waste? It likely is due to the manufacturing needs, the need to properly mount it, or grip it. That question would be best for the section maker, as they know why they need it so thick. Perhaps it is to make multiple sections. You perhaps should have clarified that in your first email, it merely looked like you do not want to have any cut loss on the section.You did not specify that it was a particular situation with exact needs (for example the 10mm that they request). I agree that there is perhaps a better way. But you also need to understand, that sections makers make sections of anything, and meteorites is one little niche, so perhaps they don't take into account the rarity of the material. Mike - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] thin section waste? Hi Mike, that's not what I asked, I asked, if it needs to be so thin, why cut a 10mm piece and cut it again to 2 to 4 mm, why not start with a piece that thin to begin with? NAU recommends a thin section maker and they want the piece 27 x 46 mm rectangular and 10mm thick, I see no reason to waste 3/4's of it. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] thin section waste? Tom, will, then why waste the time and glue to paste it to the slide? Just throw a chunk in the machine. Of course, then you will destroy a multi-million $$$ machine but hay, you saved some material from being ground away. A thin section is made so thin that light can pass through the meteorite! It has to be ground down that thin. Have you ever seen a thin section? Mike - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] thin section waste? Hi List, I know nothing about thin sections or how they are made. So, I went to Google like a good boy and read about it. All the sites I visited said the same thing, but gave no explanation. They said you end up with a chip it is the piece that is clued to the slide. They say to, take a chip 27 x 46 mm rectangular and 10mm thick epoxy it to the glass then cut off the chip as close to the glass as possible leaving just a thin slice attached to the glass. Okay, I said in the beginning, I know nothing about thin sections, but that seems like a waste of time and material to me!!! You just wasted 3/4's of the material! Why not take a piece 27 x 46mm and 4mm thick and epoxy it to the glass and save your self the second cut and 6mm of your material? You can call me what you will, but I can not see the reasoning behind the waste! If you are making a lunar thin section, that is an expensive proposition! http://almandine.geol.wwu.edu/other/thinsections/ Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] thin section waste?
Hi Göran and list. My problem; I have a meteorite in for classification, the lab doing the work said it looks, only a guess, but, a Strange carbonaceous either an R or CO. However, there appear to be C-pockets in the matrix (unusual). He has not received the thin section back, so it is only a guess!!! The meteorite weighed 205 grams. I bought it as an unclassified stone and was just looking for something to practice cutting and maybe sell the slices on ebay. Not knowing it was possibly something different, I cut away and made a bunch of really nice thin slices and an end cut. I still have the main mass of 78 grams. I sent 21 grams off for classification, I sent 4g part slice off to Superman, at least that is what I think of him. : ) After the cut loss, the meteorite is disappearing. http://www.petrography.com wants you to send them a 10mm thick piece to make a thin section. All my slices are 2mm to 4mm thick, so to get a 10mm thick piece, I would have to cut it from the main mass and that would be a third of it, for one thin section, the main mass is only 78 grams, that would be 25 grams. Lets say it is a carbonaceous, 25 grams for one thin section, no way! I wanted to know if I cut one of my 2mm slice into four pieces, if I could make four thin sections out of that. I read a few websites that said you had to start with a 10mm thick piece, so I figured that must be the way it had to be done. : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] thin section waste? Hi Tom! Do you really think the rest of the material is being wasted? I would guess that the piece left is returned to the owner if he wants it back and then it doesn't really matter if it's 4 or 10 mm thick. The website you linked to is a general description on how to make a thin section (very good site, I've bookmarked it for the future) apparently aimed for students or temporary visitors. It's not a description on how to make thin section of meteorites as the way to measure thickness is to look at the color of quartz. I think that they could work with almost any material size and thickness if it's only rare enough and you pay them for the work. :-) /Göran Tom Knudson wrote: Hi List, I know nothing about thin sections or how they are made. So, I went to Google like a good boy and read about it. All the sites I visited said the same thing, but gave no explanation. They said you end up with a chip it is the piece that is clued to the slide. They say to, take a chip 27 x 46 mm rectangular and 10mm thick epoxy it to the glass then cut off the chip as close to the glass as possible leaving just a thin slice attached to the glass. Okay, I said in the beginning, I know nothing about thin sections, but that seems like a waste of time and material to me!!! You just wasted 3/4's of the material! Why not take a piece 27 x 46mm and 4mm thick and epoxy it to the glass and save your self the second cut and 6mm of your material? You can call me what you will, but I can not see the reasoning behind the waste! If you are making a lunar thin section, that is an expensive proposition! http://almandine.geol.wwu.edu/other/thinsections/ Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] you should be here
With all of the issues surrounding SSTTEEVVEE, why would you encourage a serial spammer to post non-meteoritic stuff to the list?' Terry, do you not know sarcasm when you hear it? : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] you should be here Michael: With all of the issues surrounding SSTTEEVVEE, why would you encourage a serial spammer to post non-meteoritic stuff to the list? Terry StarMeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.5 - Release Date: 6/7/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] where to make thin section?
Hello List, I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get a thin section made? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT help, GPS, DOD
Hi List, someone asked me this question, and since the list has so many people, who between them knows just about everything, I thought I would ask you! During desert storm, the DOD often shutdown the GPS satellites at various times, because Iraq was using them also. The question is: Since we know that the DOD and the United States own the satellites, why is it that everyone and their dog are allowed to use it as well? Is it because there's no way to put a transponder on each satellite? If so why not?? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD; cool 2 veined slice on ebay
Hello List, I have a rare double veined slice of Franconia on ebay, it is a pretty cool slice, the last of the veined slices if you want to check it out. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=6537117962; rd=1 Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] R Chondrites and Magnetism
Hello List, this has been very educational and I would like to thank everyone! So, most R's have enough metal to be attracted to a powerful enough magnet, while a couple have quite a bit of iron, my question has been answered If I had a big enough collection, I would not have to ask the list for help, I would just check my self, so I am sure glad you all helped! Now, I have to go back and read through all of these emails and websites to see if I can find out why R's have so little metal. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:09 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] R Chondrites and Magnetism Hi Tom and List, Here is an excerpt from the good old RFS: NORTON O.R. (1998) Rocks From Space, pp. 190-191: and iron-nickel metal is nearly absent. Most of the metal is in the sulfides pyrrhotite (FeS) and pentlandite [(Fe,Ni9)S8] or combined with olivine. The pyrrhotite is magnetic, giving the meteorites a *w e a k m a g n e t i c a t t r a c t i o n*. The fayalite content averages about Fa39, which is the highest iron-bearing olivine content of any of the chondrites and is chemically the most distinctive characteristic. Rumurutiites have the highest iron oxidation of the chondrite class. see also: BLAND P. et al. (1992a) A unique type 4 chondrite from the Sahara - Acfer 217 (abs. Meteoritics 27, 1992, 204-205): Acfer 217 is a chondrite that is exceptionally poor in metal and sulfide and rich in oxidised Fe. It appears to be unique ... and also: SCHULZE H. et al. (1994) Mineralogy and chemistry of Rumuruti: The first meteorite fall of the new R chondrite group (Meteoritics 29-2, 1994, pp. 275-286): Meteorites of this new group can be characterized as oxidized, olivine-rich, metal-poor chondrites, ... And, as Buckleboo Martin wrote: No metal or hardly any metal automatically implies no magnetism or extremely weak magnetism. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.0 - Release Date: 5/30/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] R Chondrites and Magnetism
extensive aqueous alteration on the R parent body Water in space? That sounds like a whole new subject! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 11:48 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] R Chondrites and Magnetism Tom concluded: So, most R's have enough metal to be attracted to a powerful enough magnet Careful, please. I'd like to add the little word just, leave out the word most and replace it by some: Some R's have j u s t enough metal to be attracted to a powerful enough magnet ... This sounds better because almost all the iron is oxidized and also FeNi (nickel-iron) is extremely rare (only some tens of parts per million!) In his Cambridge Encyclopedia, O.R. Norton writes on p. 116: There is almost no free iron metal (a few grains here and there) ... ... if I can find out why R's have so little metal. Oxidation (water was the oxidizing agent): Step 1: extensive aqueous alteration on the R parent body Step 2: dehydration (removal of water) + thermal metamorphism Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.2 - Release Date: 5/31/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Water in space
Okay, there is water in space. CI carbonaceous chondrites ... contain the highest percentage of water - 20 percent - of any carbonaceous meteorite. When heated in a closed container, the water is easily driven off and condenses on the side of the enclosing vessel. Next logical question, how could a meteorite be on earth more than a day or two and not have it's water evaporated? Then, how does it not soak up terrestrial moisture? I once cut an Allende and soaked it in Alcohol. When I took it out of the alcohol, I let it air dry for a few minutes and then I weighed the slices, recorded the weights and put them under the heat lamp. A few days later, I was sorting out the slices by weight and freaked out, all my weights were off by a tenth of a gram. I figured out the missing weight was the alcohol. To test it, I resoaked a slice and got the original weight and weighed it over the next few hours and it returned to it's lesser weight. So I concluded, Allendes make great sponges and I make sure they are dry before weighing them. It sure makes me wonder how they could keep space water in them if they were not picked up immediately after the fall? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:04 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Water in space Bernd wrote: extensive aqueous alteration on the R parent body Tom responded: Water in space? That sounds like a whole new subject! : ) Hello Tom, Doug, and List, NORTON O.R. (1998) RFS II, p. 193): CI carbonaceous chondrites ... contain the highest percentage of water - 20 percent - of any carbonaceous meteorite. When heated in a closed container, the water is easily driven off and condenses on the side of the enclosing vessel. Tagish Lake probably contains an even higher amount of water (of asteroidal water). Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.2 - Release Date: 5/31/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Water in Meteorites
There are only two meteorites known to contain liquid water: - Monahans - Zag What about the Hupe's NWA969 LL7 Meteorite Containing Bottled Water? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Water in Meteorites Tom inquired: It sure makes me wonder how they could keep space water in them if they were not picked up immediately after the fall? Because they do not contain *l i q u i d* water. The water found in carbonaceous chondrites and Martian meteorites can only be extracted by heating the meteorite samples. There are only two meteorites known to contain liquid water: - Monahans - Zag where the water was found in salt crystals inside these meteorites. see also Chris L Peterson's post to the List! Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.2 - Release Date: 5/31/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites from A to Z
Hello Anne and list, you will all be happy to hear I received my very own copy of Meteorites A to Z, thanks to Anne Black It should answer a lot of questions I may of had to ask the list. : )It looks like it is going to be one handy resource, every one should have one! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] R help
Hello List, the list sure is slow, must mean that some people have lives! Anyways, I searched the internet and my book and can not find an answer to this question. Do R chondrites have any metal? It seems like the have a tiny bit, but not enough to be visible. Are they attracted to a magnet at all? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] R help
Martin, David's web site is one of my first book marks! I looked there and it does not answer my question. Unfortunately, like most books, his website is not designed around the little questions. Sure it says that it contains metal, and maybe even the amount but with out being a magnet and math expert, the given info does not tell me if the average rare earth magnet will stick to it. Would an R attract a magnet? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] R help But Tom! I won't tell the solution. Try David Weir's Studies! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9278/ It is always the first place to look for answers for questions like yours now. Simply the best place on web and I bed in this respect better than your books. Buckleboo! Martin - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:54 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] R help Hello List, the list sure is slow, must mean that some people have lives! Anyways, I searched the internet and my book and can not find an answer to this question. Do R chondrites have any metal? It seems like the have a tiny bit, but not enough to be visible. Are they attracted to a magnet at all? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.0 - Release Date: 5/30/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Want to see a cool barred chondrule?
Hello List, I thought some of you might want to see a cool barred chondrule, or at least what I am guessing is a barred chondrule. It looks more like it was slit in a few places and stretched, like you might do with a piece of paper. true color http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/crop.jpg Different color, looks better. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/crop3.jpg Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Laurencite disease?
Hi Bill, I live in Arizona too. I know this sounds weird, but I kept my meteorites in a sealed container with an anti-rust thing, I think it was VCI or something like that and still had rust problems. I gave up and just through my whole collection on a shelf, out in the open air and have not seen a bit of rust on anything! For a while I even had them above my fish tank with out a problem. I think the simple approach works as good as any. It seems like they need circulating air and some humidity. Keep in mind, we are in AZ, I would not think this would work everywhere. I cut my meteorites, rinse them in tap water, soak them in alcohol for a few minutes and set them out in the (AZ) sun or under the heat lamp of my girls Monitor lizard then throw them on the shelve, not one problem at all, go figure! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Bill Southern [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Laurencite disease? Hello Tom and List, They actually were treated that was after being cut and polished and I guess it has been about 2 weeks now since treatment. Is there a way to prevent this without the use of oil on a chondrite? On the other hand it is a fascinating process to witness and seems to move along at a steady although slow pace in this one area while in other spots the process is stopped or moving much slower. I am in Arizona where we have very little humidity right now and my specimens are in a sealed container, but this is a chemical process correct? Would eliminating oxygen help? Bill - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill Southern [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Laurencite disease? Quick, get some alcohol, poor it into a glass container, wait, no time for that, drink it right from the bottle : ) Really, I personally would rinse them in distilled water then soak them in alcohol and then dry them under a heat lamp. I don't know if it will really help, but it is better than nothing. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Bill Southern [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Laurencite disease? Hello list, I was studying some slices of Franconia today under the microscope when I noticed movement on the surface of one of the slices (stay with me I'm not a nut) I switched to a bit higher magnification and along the edge of some of the metal in the specimen were small areas of rust with liquid in minute amounts slowly bubbling up within it. I was actually able to watch what I suspect to be Laurencite disease in slow progress. There are several areas on my specimens that are showing these rusting zones, but none actually are showing the liquid (acid?) moving on the surface. Anyway over the last several hours the affected area has grown by quite a bit. Interesting stuff... I have tried to take a photo, but the quality if lacking, sorry. Any added insight as to what I am witnessing would be very welcome. http://www.nuggetshooter.com/imagesMET/frandamage.jpg Best regards, Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Can this be meteorite related?
Hi List, I was reading about Nickel and ran across this article about a new nickel deposit found in the NE and was wondering if it could be meteorite related, I really want to know. : ) http://pubs.usgs.gov/info/mwni_cu/#formation Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Can this be meteorite related?
Hi List, in case you are wondering why I think this could be meteorite related. Not only do they have a new Nickel deposit by Lake Superior but also at Sudbury! http://www.datametallogenica.com/pages/newsflashes/newnickel08072004.htm So I was wondering, if they have a NI deposit at a known impact site, if Lake Superior could be an impact site too? If you look at figure 4 on http://pubs.usgs.gov/info/mwni_cu/#formation it looks like a strewn field map! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Can this be meteorite related? Hi List, I was reading about Nickel and ran across this article about a new nickel deposit found in the NE and was wondering if it could be meteorite related, I really want to know. : ) http://pubs.usgs.gov/info/mwni_cu/#formation Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 5/25/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] List as bad as blog!
Hey list, the blog sucks because everyone hides behind fake names, I am beginning to think the list is getting there too! I posted about a new Nickel deposit and had a conversation with Devon Slater that quickly turned into an argument complete with insults. Later today I checked the blog, and sure enough, he took it over to the blog. Then, I noticed that his email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also looked in the List Archives and found out in the past three months, he has only posted a few times and each time it was to fight with someone. I am thinking that with an address like his, he is not a real person, just another person that has to hide behind a fake identity so he can be hateful. I think, as a list we should not tolerate fake identities on the list or it will end up as bad as the blog. I was really disappointed when I realized it was only a coward, I thought I finally new who I wanted to meet in Tucson to tell him in person what I thought of what he said about my daughter! : ( Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD; franconia iron on slice Last chance!!!
Hi there list, I am going to end this tonight, so if you are interested, place a bid and see if you can get it! It is a cool slice! Subject: AD; franconia iron on slice Hupe sale Hello List, I asked if there was anyone interested in my 12.5g slice that has a Franconia iron still attached. A few of you responded, so here is another Franconia Hupe sale I have not sanded this slice, I will if you would like, but some of you don't like them sanded, but it is a great clean cut, with no visible (to the naked eye) saw marks. I will discuss shipping later, it will be as cheap as you want it. : ) Here is a picture of the iron on the side of the slice. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1263.jpg Here is a picture of the entire slice with the edge of the iron showing on the top right. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1305.jpg One mishap, I spent so much time trying to get the cut right on the edge of the iron piece that I forgot to readjust and the slice came out a little uneven, not bad, but it is. : ) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1310.jpg Here Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA identification help?
Hi List, does this look like any known NWA to you, 869 perhaps? I could of sworn I had seen a similar looking meteorite somewhere, but can not remember what or where? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/Picture001.jpg Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD; franconia iron on slice Hupe sale
Hello List, I asked if there was anyone interested in my 12.5g slice that has a Franconia iron still attached. A few of you responded, so here is another Franconia Hupe sale I have not sanded this slice, I will if you would like, but some of you don't like them sanded, but it is a great clean cut, with no visible (to the naked eye) saw marks. I will discuss shipping later, it will be as cheap as you want it. : ) Here is a picture of the iron on the side of the slice. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1263.jpg Here is a picture of the entire slice with the edge of the iron showing on the top right. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1305.jpg One mishap, I spent so much time trying to get the cut right on the edge of the iron piece that I forgot to readjust and the slice came out a little uneven, not bad, but it is. : ) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1310.jpg Here Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hupe sale!!!
Hey list, Greg and Adam have had online sales, where you can bid by email, very convenient for the ebay haters. I did a sale like it and I think I called it a Hupe like sale because I could not think of a better name or description. This time, being a two finger typer saved my self a few key strokes and just called it a Hupe sale also in the back of my mind, I knew I might have to safe those keystrokes for the delete key! : ) I never thought about it, but Hupe sale might make one think that the Hupes are involved in one of these sales. They are not involved in anyway and I apologize to them both for using their names in my sales. : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] chondrule size range?
Hello List, I have a meteorite you probably seen before that is in getting classified. It was 205 grams and I have sliced 3/4's of it up. This meteorite was packed with chondrules but one chondrule stood out, nothing special as far as chondrules go, but it is huge, not huge for a chondrule, but huge for this meteorite! I am wondering how one big chondrule could end up in a meteorite. I have seen pics of other meteorites with one large chondrule, but never heard an explanation of why. Or maybe the question should be, why are the others so small? : ) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1287.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1293.jpg Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD; cool Franconia slice on ebay!
Hi List, for some reason my Franconia has been very popular, I know it made me real happy! Well here is your chance to have a slice of this cool Franconia! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=6534631166; rd=1 Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia Iron Impact Crater Pic's
Hi Larry, Bill and list, I have a 12.5 g slice with a Franconia iron on the side. It is about a 1/4 in. long. Hey, if there is anyone interested in buying it, maybe I will have another hupe sale, let me know. Here are some pics, I have not did any sanding on the slice yet. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1263.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1264.jpg Thanks, Tom peregrineflier Hello Larry and List, I also have quite a few irons from Franconia that show what appear to be impact craters in them. Here is a slice of the Franconia H5 actually showing one on the controversial irons that was in the process of separating from it's chondrite parent. Or at least this is how it looks to an amateur ;) At any rate these are very interesting photos... http://www.nuggetshooter.com/imagesMET/franshediron001.jpg http://www.nuggetshooter.com/imagesMET/franshediron002.jpg Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING
Hi Dave and list, One problem I have is the darn flash! I get everything set up just right, take the picture and all I get is a big glare where the flash hit. Of coarse the obvious solution is to turn off the flash, but then the pics are to dark. So, get some other light source, the sun maybe, well then your fighting trying to get the right angles, then I get shadows, and the light shining on the screen so you can't see if your focused or not. I probably take 20 pics to get one or two good ones, then back out to try again. I have actually given up on taking pics of some specimens after 40 or more tries, just can't seem to get it. Any suggestions? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING Dear List; For the beginners of photographing meteorites and other rocks, minerals; there are some handy tips to get more response to your photos/adds to sell. 1.) throw away the blurry pictures. With digital photos so easy to delete and take another, why link to blurry pictures? 2.) a view of the overall size of the specimen is critical. a top or above angled view, with good lighting, and a scale such as a ruler, ones' thumb (which also helps with color scale, and trim your nails and wash hands before photographing), or other size defining characteristic is very important. Since Ssex sells cars and everything else, I have thought of getting a model with nicely done nails to hold a specimen for the camera. Close up of the hand only as we still want the focus to be on the rock specimen! 3. ) background area can help or detract from the specimen. I prefer a black soft cloth as a background so the viewer focuses on the specimen, not what is in the back ground. 4.) Get one good clear correctly lit close up of the specimen to show chondrules, visible iron specks, fusion crust...what ever is the best trait to show off in the picture. 5.) So, in the big picture: one good picture of overall size and shape of the specimen with a color and size scale and a darker less interesting back ground.A second picture of close up with good lighting and maybe a hand or scale/ruler to show good size and define colors. One can have more pictures of different angles, filters, etc. and even just one picture can represent a specimen many times. It is critical to delete the blurry pictures, to get some form of scale of the over all shape and size of the specimen. John G. has helped me to understand lighting in that many cameras do better with a partial cloudy day as direct sunlight gives to much light to the subject. Practice using the camera and teach it to be your friend, good pictures will sell items twice as fast as poor quality pictures. Hope this helps the amateur photographer. I am sure that many of you can add to this one. Dave Freeman eBay power seller mjwy IMCA # 3864 Rock Springs, WY -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 5/20/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 3 Day Meteorite Auctions
Dave wrote; Trouble is that most buyers want a hot deal and prefer to just bid and wait it out rather than pay a penny too much with the buy it now option. That is true! I have actually had a few auctions that had someone bid on them and not use the buy it now, and when the auction ended, it went for more than the buy it know was in the beginning. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 3 Day Meteorite Auctions Dear Bob; Many times I get requests for the buy it now option and I put it in most of my auctions. Trouble is that most buyers want a hot deal and prefer to just bid and wait it out rather than pay a penny too much with the buy it now option. Another large mistake is that one should bid what they feel is the most they are willing to pay and expect that they may not win everything they want if cost is a consideration. There seems to always be someone willing to pay more.If an item doesn't sell with the three day auction, the seller is forced to relist and then the cost vs. profit is changed with a relisting fee. Oddly, and item that doesn't sell the first go round may have a battle of the bidders war on the second listing, go figure. When someone figures it all out they can write a book and sell it to the list. Best Saturday, Dave Freeman mjwy Bob Evans wrote: I find it a pain in the rear to wait for a 7 day auction to end. I know that sellers want to get plenty of exposure, but, it seems like there are a few initial bids and then the auction goes into a freeze until the last day of the auction. So, we just sit back and wait. The way I look at it auctions that are of shorter duration could possibly double a sellers sales in any time frame.Sure its more work. But, $10k/ month is better than $5k/ right? Just a suggestion to all of the larger ( volume ) dealers . Mike , Hupe , etc. Just a suggestion, Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 5/20/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] sanding vs. not sanding?
Hi List, a few list members have told me they like their meteorite slices left unsanded. I have noticed on some meteorites that you can see a lot more detail on an unsanded surface. Is value affected if you sand or not? What about saw marks, I don't like them, but I don't want to sand them off and lose the detail.? Here is a great example from the same meteorite! What do you think? Sanded http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1126.jpg not sanded; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1125.jpg Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?
Hello List, I watched the video of the Chicago fireball filmed by a police car, and it reminded me, back in the summer of 77 or 78 can't quite remember, I was back in Brighton Michigan and saw a flash just like it. I was just wondering if there was a fall around that time west of Michigan, or in Michigan? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?
The Chronological Index of Falls in your copy of Meteorites A-Z is a great place to look for answers to questions like yours. I would have looked there, but I don't own a copy! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Martin H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall? Hi Tom, The Chronological Index of Falls in your copy of Meteorites A-Z is a great place to look for answers to questions like yours. Globally, there were two or three falls during summer months of 1977 and 1978, but nothing around Michigan. Two falls were in China, and one in Iraq. Cheers, Martin --- Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, I watched the video of the Chicago fireball filmed by a police car, and it reminded me, back in the summer of 77 or 78 can't quite remember, I was back in Brighton Michigan and saw a flash just like it. I was just wondering if there was a fall around that time west of Michigan, or in Michigan? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.13 - Release Date: 5/19/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
Hi List, back in March of 2004, I made a lot of enemies on the list for asking; I have to ask, was Portales Valley classified as a H6 ordinary chondrite because they were to lazy to make up a new classification? It would seem to me that this unique meteorite deserves it's own group instead of being shoved into an already existing group. I do not feel like we have found every type of meteorite yet, are they going do this with all of them, just sticking them in existing categories, or will they make a new one if need be? I was called everything from an idiot to a stupid mother $#*^# by a lot of people on the list for questioning the classification. I was put in my place, never question the scientists, if they said it was a H6 ordinary chondrite, then it was! Just thought it was interesting . : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info Hello List, Well for years now, I know a lot of us were puzzled by the classification of Portales Valley as an H6 ordinary chondrite. (See my article in the May 2001 issue of Meteorite, titled Portales Valley - A Not So Ordinary (Ordinary Chondrite??)! In the recent past, the classification was modified a bit, being changed to read as an H6 Impact Melt Breccia . I am excited to be able to say that there is a distinct chance the true uniqueness of PV may soon be reflected in a possible new moniker for this intriguing meteorite. David Weir was kind enough to make me aware of a new and comprehensive paper by Alex Ruzicka, Marvin Killgore, David Mittlefehldt, and Marc Fries in the current MAPS. In this detailed work, we now have the proposed reclassification of PV as an H7, metallic-melt breccia (primitive achondrite), with the case made for a new meteorite type designation of Portalesite due to this metallic-melt breccia characteristic. You can read David's updated description of PV on his excellent website here: http://www.meteoritestudies.com Many thanks to David for news of this exciting paper, and to the authors of the paper as well. Sincerely, Robert Woolard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
Hi Bob, I don't believe you were ever chided for questioning the need for reclassifying, I believe the problem stemmed from your derogatory remarks about those working (or not working, lazy, as you assert), on PV. AND as you can see now, work was being done, they were not sitting on their hands, doing nothing. Further, it seems to me as though they had a new type of class and wanted to be sure of their results. now have the proposed reclassification of PV as an H7, metallic-melt breccia (primitive achondrite), with the case made for a new meteorite type designation of Portalesite due to this metallic-melt breccia characteristic. If this proposed reclassification happens, what does this say about the original classification? Was it wrong? Was it a rush to judgment? Did they not want to take the time out to study it enough to properly classify it (lazy)? How could it go from an H6 ordinary chondrite to a Portalesite, H7, metallic-melt breccia (primitive achondrite) Did it experience a metamorphous between studies. I did not call anyone working on it lazy, I asked why the original group did not make up a new classification for this unique meteorite. Apparently Alex Ruzicka, Marvin Killgore, David Mittlefehldt, and Marc Fries among others I am sure, could see this meteorite needed to be studied further and thought it needed to be something more than an H6 ordinary chondrite. If this reclassification does happen, I think my question back in March of 2004 is a fair and valid question, why was PV called a H6 ordinary chondrite? Astronomers are always being reprimanded for telling us a killer asteroid is going to strike the Earth next year. They come out and say it before they get all the information and when they finally do get all the information, they look bad for jumping the gun. A scientist came out and said PV was an H6 ordinary chondrite. Now it looks like all the info might be in and someone had jumped the gun. Do these two branches of science have to play by the same rules, find out all the info before you talk? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Bob Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info Tom , I don't believe you were ever chided for questioning the need for reclassifying, I believe the problem stemmed from your derogatory remarks about those working (or not working, lazy, as you assert), on PV. AND as you can see now, work was being done, they were not sitting on their hands, doing nothing. Further, it seems to me as though they had a new type of class and wanted to be sure of their results. That PV was not an ordinary H6 is not an opinion that was yours alone, and you were part of a vast majority. Instead of patting yourself on the back, why don't you apologize for your derisive insinuations about those who have put much time and effort into the study of PV. Bob Holmes - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info Hi List, back in March of 2004, I made a lot of enemies on the list for asking; I have to ask, was Portales Valley classified as a H6 ordinary chondrite because they were to lazy to make up a new classification? It would seem to me that this unique meteorite deserves it's own group instead of being shoved into an already existing group. I do not feel like we have found every type of meteorite yet, are they going do this with all of them, just sticking them in existing categories, or will they make a new one if need be? I was called everything from an idiot to a stupid mother $#*^# by a lot of people on the list for questioning the classification. I was put in my place, never question the scientists, if they said it was a H6 ordinary chondrite, then it was! Just thought it was interesting . : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info Hello List, Well for years now, I know a lot of us were puzzled by the classification of Portales Valley as an H6 ordinary chondrite. (See my article in the May 2001 issue of Meteorite, titled Portales Valley - A Not So Ordinary (Ordinary Chondrite??)! In the recent past, the classification was modified a bit, being changed to read as an H6 Impact Melt Breccia . I am excited to be able to say that there is a distinct chance the true uniqueness of PV may soon be reflected in a possible new moniker
Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
Hi Bob, The word 'lazy' came from your post, not mine. I know, sorry if I made it sound like you said it. I wanted to know if it was laziness or what that stopped the study and labeled PV as an ordinary chondrite. Perhaps there was an error in the initial classification, but obviously many people realized the need for clarification and were quite diligent in their pursuits. And that is such great news, PV deserves it!!! This is an ongoing process. I for one, thank Jeff Grossman for standing up and explaining what the process was. I agree, Jeff's post was very enlightening! You complain about all the negativity on the list, but here you are again (the Pope, Barringer, remember?), espousing negativity. I did not bring up the pope, there was no reason for news about him to be on the list. If someone brings up the pope, I am going to respond. Barringer, yes I brought him up, but I can not help myself, when I hear that name, it brings out my bad side. But, I am not espousing negativity with this PV stuff. I think this is very positive, my favorite meteorite getting recognized for what it is, a truly great meteorite! I was insulted by many list members being told that I was not smart enough to question the classification, the Lazy thing did not go over very well, but I was told, who do you think you are, to think that the scientist made a mistake. I just thought it was interesting that it may turn out I am not as stupid after all. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Bob Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info Tom, The word 'lazy' came from your post, not mine. Perhaps there was an error in the initial classification, but obviously many people realized the need for clarification and were quite diligent in their pursuits. This is an ongoing process. I for one, thank Jeff Grossman for standing up and explaining what the process was. You complain about all the negativity on the list, but here you are again (the Pope, Barringer, remember?), espousing negativity. What is it you want from 'them'? Bob - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info Hi Bob, I don't believe you were ever chided for questioning the need for reclassifying, I believe the problem stemmed from your derogatory remarks about those working (or not working, lazy, as you assert), on PV. AND as you can see now, work was being done, they were not sitting on their hands, doing nothing. Further, it seems to me as though they had a new type of class and wanted to be sure of their results. now have the proposed reclassification of PV as an H7, metallic-melt breccia (primitive achondrite), with the case made for a new meteorite type designation of Portalesite due to this metallic-melt breccia characteristic. If this proposed reclassification happens, what does this say about the original classification? Was it wrong? Was it a rush to judgment? Did they not want to take the time out to study it enough to properly classify it (lazy)? How could it go from an H6 ordinary chondrite to a Portalesite, H7, metallic-melt breccia (primitive achondrite) Did it experience a metamorphous between studies. I did not call anyone working on it lazy, I asked why the original group did not make up a new classification for this unique meteorite. Apparently Alex Ruzicka, Marvin Killgore, David Mittlefehldt, and Marc Fries among others I am sure, could see this meteorite needed to be studied further and thought it needed to be something more than an H6 ordinary chondrite. If this reclassification does happen, I think my question back in March of 2004 is a fair and valid question, why was PV called a H6 ordinary chondrite? Astronomers are always being reprimanded for telling us a killer asteroid is going to strike the Earth next year. They come out and say it before they get all the information and when they finally do get all the information, they look bad for jumping the gun. A scientist came out and said PV was an H6 ordinary chondrite. Now it looks like all the info might be in and someone had jumped the gun. Do these two branches of science have to play by the same rules, find out all the info before you talk? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Bob Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite
Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
Dave Maybe Tom could use the tip of reading more books and papers and asking a few less questions that are not really up to speed with the issues. Not up to speed with the issues, Robert Woolard just posted yesterday (may 17th) new info about PV and a possible new classification! How is it my talking about the classification of PV is not up to speed? Read more books and papers, can you direct me to one published book that talks about Portales Valley's possible new classification, H7, metallic-melt breccia (primitive achondrite),? I don't even know if the new paper has been published yet, if not, how am I, or anyone supposed to read it? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: d freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info Maybe Tom could use the tip of reading more books and papers and asking a few less questions that are not really up to speed with the issues. Dave Bob Holmes wrote: Tom, The word 'lazy' came from your post, not mine. Perhaps there was an error in the initial classification, but obviously many people realized the need for clarification and were quite diligent in their pursuits. This is an ongoing process. I for one, thank Jeff Grossman for standing up and explaining what the process was. You complain about all the negativity on the list, but here you are again (the Pope, Barringer, remember?), espousing negativity. What is it you want from 'them'? Bob - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info Hi Bob, I don't believe you were ever chided for questioning the need for reclassifying, I believe the problem stemmed from your derogatory remarks about those working (or not working, lazy, as you assert), on PV. AND as you can see now, work was being done, they were not sitting on their hands, doing nothing. Further, it seems to me as though they had a new type of class and wanted to be sure of their results. now have the proposed reclassification of PV as an H7, metallic-melt breccia (primitive achondrite), with the case made for a new meteorite type designation of Portalesite due to this metallic-melt breccia characteristic. If this proposed reclassification happens, what does this say about the original classification? Was it wrong? Was it a rush to judgment? Did they not want to take the time out to study it enough to properly classify it (lazy)? How could it go from an H6 ordinary chondrite to a Portalesite, H7, metallic-melt breccia (primitive achondrite) Did it experience a metamorphous between studies. I did not call anyone working on it lazy, I asked why the original group did not make up a new classification for this unique meteorite. Apparently Alex Ruzicka, Marvin Killgore, David Mittlefehldt, and Marc Fries among others I am sure, could see this meteorite needed to be studied further and thought it needed to be something more than an H6 ordinary chondrite. If this reclassification does happen, I think my question back in March of 2004 is a fair and valid question, why was PV called a H6 ordinary chondrite? Astronomers are always being reprimanded for telling us a killer asteroid is going to strike the Earth next year. They come out and say it before they get all the information and when they finally do get all the information, they look bad for jumping the gun. A scientist came out and said PV was an H6 ordinary chondrite. Now it looks like all the info might be in and someone had jumped the gun. Do these two branches of science have to play by the same rules, find out all the info before you talk? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Bob Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info Tom , I don't believe you were ever chided for questioning the need for reclassifying, I believe the problem stemmed from your derogatory remarks about those working (or not working, lazy, as you assert), on PV. AND as you can see now, work was being done, they were not sitting on their hands, doing nothing. Further, it seems to me as though they had a new type of class and wanted to be sure of their results. That PV was not an ordinary H6 is not an opinion that was yours alone, and you were
Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
Geeze, learning from othersinteresting concept That is why I ask the questions you don't like me asking! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: d freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite email List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bob Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info Great post Doug, Geeze, learning from othersinteresting concept! Dave F. (who is not proud tom, and is not a blogger participant ever) and would like to see Mr. Tom get some help somewhere before he turns into a paranoid schizophrenic! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hola Tom, No one said you are stupid (except your own post)! You are ruffling some feathers because your comments seem to be too insensitive. Scientists - which can include even you and me - normally have no problem being questioned (well, sort of...), that is typically how progress is made. But to play that game on friendly terms, if you have been too lazy to lift a finger for you own education (even if it means via Google!), I would say you are way too arrogant to be taken seriously when you start telling these guys who are busting their buns to turn out papers and teach and have a family life, not to mention deal with the educational politics and institutional beaurocracies, without you having the necessary tools to really understand what they are up against and how science usually works in your neck of the woods. It ain't no fun having a jack-in-the-box in Kingman pop up saying You're wrong, I told you so - and for those more experienced, it can be downright funny or even pathetic to listen to that. Meteoritics, like all sciences is developing all the time as we learn more, sometimes what was a right answer falls from favor because of the benefit of hindsight which a researcher simply doesn't have! I won't comment on the Pope and Barringer provocations, you already have figured them out I hope. But you have a great inquiring mind which could be kicked into shape with you own initiative to be a good scientist. Let me suggest you enroll in Pre-Algebra at the Kingman Campus of the Mohave Community College. You seem to have the time...It starts June 6 and is over by July 11 and costs $126. Then with that course you can take the Geology classes below you like and in the process of lab work, get an appreciation for the scientific mentod and what it is like to have someone who has hindsight to be pressuring you for answers you are still discovering, and then having to produce written evaluations in the way of assignments, lab reports, not even mentioning tests. Instead of throwing stones from your house and bickering your intelligence away over the internet, you could even sign up for some of these courses via the distance education for $60 extra a piece if you are too lazy yourself to go to class! Below is the summer schedule for Pre-Algebra, the prerequisite for the Geology courses, and then I am sure you could sweet-talk the professors into any of the courses listed. The Geology-Rockhounding course is really cool, if you opted for just that. Tom, you may not fully appreciate the opportunity you have living where you do to get out in the field with experts, meet more like minded people which will add to your interest and finally be able to better position and found your questions for more satisfying responses. XXX said this so I am right! is really a hollow response. The math class this summer would have you set to go forward and classes are only $42 a credit there special for you in Kingman. Who knows, being lazy might help you be a better scientist - as long as you aren't t lazy as some of your posts get close to being! Anyway brought to you by your friendly e-neighborhood college counselor (sp?). Man, how luck you are to have the time and location for this!!! Don't let it be taken from you...Maybe you can intern at Killgore's:) Saludos, Doug _www.mohave.edu_ (http://www.mohave.edu) $42/credit Pre-Algebra 211 602 06/06/2005 07/11/2005 - MTWTh HEIDRICH SHERRI L 5:30 PM - 8:20 PM KINGMAN GLG 060 ROCK-HOUND GEOLOGY: Covers a study of basic mineralogy, including rocks, minerals, fossils, and features of the land surface, and techniques of prospecting for minerals and metals.Special emphasis is placed on local geology and topics of interest to individual class members. Designed for the amateur rock hound as well as jewelry makers. Includes field trips. Credit Hours: 3 (Three lecture; two lab) Prerequisites: none GLG 101 PHYSICAL GEOLOGY: An introduction to geologic processes on and within the Earth. Topics covered include concepts in mineral and rocks, tectonic processes, weathering and erosion
[meteorite-list] PV way out of hand!
Hey list, like always, I can not post with out offending everyone! I never called anyone lazy, I asked if they were being lazy when they classified PV as an H6? I did not, and still don't fully understand the classification process. You all want me to learn this stuff with out asking questions, there is a saying, no question is a dumb question, well I guess I blew that theory out of the water! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PV way out of hand!
Hi Mark and List, my comments on PV and the lazy thing was back in March of 2004, and I had no idea who did the classification. I asked if they were being lazy by not making up a knew class for the unique meteorite, I did not say they were being lazy, I just did not understand how PV was an considered an ordinary run of mill L6 chondrite. I bet that daughter of your would be a good meteorite hunter. She seems to pick up on things pretty fast. I think I would be doing some father-daughter trips if I was you. (That's right, for every 20 meteorites you find I will buy you a barbie.) It does not work like that any more, it would be more like for every 20 meteorites you find I will buy you another 126k of memory for your computer. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] PV way out of hand! Tom and list, Most of us have high respect for few meteoritic scientist we have. I don't think anyone was balking at your question, but as another member noted, your lack of sensitivity. There are correct ways to ask questions, and there are incorrect. Step back a minute and look at it from a scientist that worked on the meteorite. You pretty much said they were incompetent and lazy, or at least was how it came across to me and others. How would you take that if you worked several hours on the meteorite and submitted your findings, to get such response? Classifiers do not make meteorite classifications or names official. They submit their work, and will note the meteorite classification they believe it to be and a name, they think is appropiate. The Met Com then decides on the official name and classification, after getting further information from the scientist or other scientist as needed. It is not un-common for scientist to not completely agree, but we...or I guess they...usually seem to come to an agreement. All in all, it is a pretty good check and balance system. PV is a unique meteorite. However, it is unlikely it will get it owns class since it is chemically an H chondrite and the metal seems derived from an H chondrite body. So now your maybe wondering why it looks the way it does...my answer there would be to Google Portales Valley Meteorite and PDF. There are over a dozen of papers online on this meteorite and why it looks the way it does. Which makes it one of the most studied US meteorites of recent time. Perhaps our scientific body is not so lazy. Do now maybe your wondering, But it doesn't look like my H5's. We do not classify meteorites by hand specimen appearance. Classification is more of a chemical thing now days, although chondrule appearance and the like does factor in. Should you still have PV questions, after reading the articles that are on-line,, you can ask a more specific question. You can not expect anyone to fully explain such a meteorite over e-mail. Before sending the e-mail, you might check to see if you are offending anyone, since this line seems to be blurry to you, I suggest taking a conservative step. Another example of what I am saying here is your Rubin e-mail last week that I tried to smooth feathers down. Such formed questions are seen as usually passive aggressive attacks. If I was Rubin, who had classified an ordinary NWA chondrite for you a couple weeks earlier...I would have been annoyed I think. In a more pro-Tom note, I got the endcut of his Franconio find that he placed on ebay last week. Nice looking endcut that was well polishedabout to 800? grit it appears. Tom was kind enough to include a free extra slice of the meteorite. Only 2.49g., but it is rasor thin, ~1.5mm., and polished on both sides. (Anytime I have tried to polish anything that thin it usually breaks and flat bed shoots the piece broken off across the room.) I bet that daughter of your would be a good meteorite hunter. She seems to pick up on things pretty fast. I think I would be doing some father-daughter trips if I was you. (That's right, for every 20 meteorites you find I will buy you a barbie.) Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 5/17/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Is this wise?
Hi List, not being the ebay police or anything, but this seller says it is illegal to hunt at the crater, but says he went out at night and collected these? It just does not seem like something someone would want to say, kind of self incriminating, I would think? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=6533039982; rd=1 Thanks, Tom peregrineflier http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT; are you an idiot?
Hey List, this is off topic, but I thought some of you might enjoy it. I am sorry in advance to those who don't. Are you an idiot? Looking back now, were you an idiot when you were 18? (yes you were!) Did you think so then? (no, you thought you knew everything!) Do you think your an idiot now? Lets do a little math and find out. Your Current age = YY YY -18 _ = X X is how many years it takes to figure out that you were an idiot in the past. Now think about it, in X years, you will probably look back and realize that you were an idiot at YY (even though you did not think so then). So, if the future you, thinks you were an idiot at YY and you are YY now, doesn't that mean you are an idiot now? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Bernd
Yes, happy birthday Bernd, I refer to him as the human book, oh what I would give to just learn the things he forgot about meteorites, I would know more than most! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ - Original Message - From: Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Bernd Dear Bernd: Happy birthday and a sincere thank you for your many fine contributions to this forum. You are our most valuable asset. Born on the same day (but not the same year!) as Butsura, H6, Bihar India, May 12, 1861. Also, a tip of the hat to Anne Black for her birthday meteorite calendar at www.impacktika.com and to Alex for reminding us that today is the big day for Bernd! Regards to all, Geoff N. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Message Delivery Delay
They are viruses, don't fall for them! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MeteoriteCentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:14 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Message Delivery Delay Is anyone else getting this Message Delivery Delay e-mail multiple times a day for the past couple of days? It is supposed to be going to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I don't recall sending any direct e-mails to that address, so I figure that it has to come from this list. It says: MailEnable: Message delivery has been delayed. Message is waiting at onlinecorp.com for delivery to mr2.cc.ic.ac.uk. The message will be retried for another 56 hours. Reason: Mail Server for imperial.ac.uk could not accept your email at this time. MailEnable will keep trying to deliver this message and will notify you of any progress. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] troilite inclusions
Hello List, I made a few more slices of a NWA of mine and found what I think is a pretty cool Troilite inclusion, the marks are mm. What do you think? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1186.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1185.jpg Thanks, Tom peregrineflier http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cute inclusion in NWA869
What is it, I do believe the call that CIMALAITE. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ - Original Message - From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cute inclusion in NWA869 Hello listees, i just came in from cutting some meteorites, in one i found this cute inclusion, it's over one cm in diameter :) Look here: http://www.gi-po.de/ebayfolder/list.htm I thought its worth to show it around :) heh, look at THIS monster !!! http://www.polandmet.com/gfx_nwa869/008.htm 24x11mm and go through 2 slices This is this ? -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: 5/9/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is Amgala Official? / New Bulletin
Hi Mike and list, speaking of Canyon Diablo, what was the reasoning for that name? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is Amgala Official? / New Bulletin on 5/10/05 10:47 AM, Adam Hupe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another note: I still think most will still use the name Amgala. This is because most collectors know it under this name. -- Hi Adam and all, I respectfully disagree - eventually, it will be known by its true name, though formerly called Amgala is likely to be around a while. The name approved by the Nomenclature Committee is the name. I can call Canyon Diablo Meteor Crater all I want, it will always be, however, Canyon Diablo. In fact, many meteorite collectors could call it Meteor Crater and it would still be Canyon Diablo and there would always be those that refuse to use the wrong nomenclature and respectable dealers would label it properly. I have seen this phenomenon in botany: Fucaria columnaris was known for many years as Idria columnaris, until, about two decades ago it was reclassified as a species of Fucaria. While to this day, one occasionally sees it advertised in exotic plant catalogs as Idria columnaris, it is Fucaria columnaris because it belongs to the genus Fucaria in the formal botanical Taxon. What has been called Amgala will be known as Oum Dreyga because it is being officially entered in the formal meteorite Taxon as Oum Dreyga. Best wishes, Michael -- You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are. -Herb Cohen -- If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ebay rules for down time?
Hi List, as many of you know,( I am sure) ebay at least some of it is down. I have seen meteorites go from 99 cents to many dollars in the last minute due to last minute bidders, the American way I guess. When ebay is not working, like now, people can not bid and items are ending. Does or will ebay let you get out of deals that ended while they were down? They even warn you that you can be out bid at the last moment, so it would only seem fair to do something. I do not have anything ending, thank God, but I am feeling for those who do. Anybody know the rules in this situation? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD; Franconia end piece!
Hi List, I have a nice Franconia end piece with an armored chondrule from my find on ebay. I also have a few other small meteorites for sale. Love ya all http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=peregrineflier Thanks, Tom peregrineflier http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes for May is now up.
Hi List, I always loved meteorite times and still do, but I was truly offend by it tonight! I was just looking around like I always do, and got to the meteorite people section. I noticed something I had missed before. There are a number of great people on there, people that made great contributions to the meteorite community, then I saw it, a thief who's only interest in meteorites was to melt them down, ya, you guessed it, Daniel Moreau Barringer. That mans name is not even worthy of the Blog, but there he is on a page about collecting. Keep in mind the Barringer family will have you arrested if you try to COLLECT meteorites on there property, they would rather see them rust away! Ya, a real meteorite person, let's melt them down so I can get rich off the Nickel. What no main mass, best not tell the government, they are going to give me this land because I plan on mining the main mass, but not all is lost, I can make people pay to see the crater! I am sorry list, I can not see his name with out going off into the deep end, I have no respect for thieves! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ - Original Message - From: Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes for May is now up. Hello Everyone! MeteoriteTimes for May is now up. http://www.meteoritetimes.com/ Enjoy! Paul and Jim ** Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Meteorite Exchange, Inc. http://www.meteorite.com MeteoriteTimes.com http://www.meteoritetimes.com PMB#455 P.O. Box 7000, Redondo Beach, CA 90277 USA *** __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes for May is now up.
Ya right, it was given to him by our generous government sue to some mining law! Problem was, there was nothing to mine, he new it, but held out until they handed him the crater! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ - Original Message - From: Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes for May is now up. Tom, Didnt Barringer purchase the land that the crater is located in? BE - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes for May is now up. Hi List, I always loved meteorite times and still do, but I was truly offend by it tonight! I was just looking around like I always do, and got to the meteorite people section. I noticed something I had missed before. There are a number of great people on there, people that made great contributions to the meteorite community, then I saw it, a thief who's only interest in meteorites was to melt them down, ya, you guessed it, Daniel Moreau Barringer. That mans name is not even worthy of the Blog, but there he is on a page about collecting. Keep in mind the Barringer family will have you arrested if you try to COLLECT meteorites on there property, they would rather see them rust away! Ya, a real meteorite person, let's melt them down so I can get rich off the Nickel. What no main mass, best not tell the government, they are going to give me this land because I plan on mining the main mass, but not all is lost, I can make people pay to see the crater! I am sorry list, I can not see his name with out going off into the deep end, I have no respect for thieves! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ - Original Message - From: Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes for May is now up. Hello Everyone! MeteoriteTimes for May is now up. http://www.meteoritetimes.com/ Enjoy! Paul and Jim ** Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Meteorite Exchange, Inc. http://www.meteorite.com MeteoriteTimes.com http://www.meteoritetimes.com PMB#455 P.O. Box 7000, Redondo Beach, CA 90277 USA *** __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes for May is now up.
Actually, no, anyone who knows me knows that I would not compromise my morals for money or anything else for that matter! (probably why I am broke) He was given the land for mining, there was nothing to mine, he knew it, but did not tell the government about it, he just let them give it to him. Even if he did not know, an honest man would of gave it back when he found out. I would love to own the crater, hunting parties every week end Thanks, Tom peregrineflier http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ - Original Message - From: Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes for May is now up. Sounds to me like he took advantage of a lucrative opportunity. If they gave it to you, would you have told them to keep it because it was a meteorite crater? Bob - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes for May is now up. Ya right, it was given to him by our generous government sue to some mining law! Problem was, there was nothing to mine, he new it, but held out until they handed him the crater! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ - Original Message - From: Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes for May is now up. Tom, Didnt Barringer purchase the land that the crater is located in? BE - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes for May is now up. Hi List, I always loved meteorite times and still do, but I was truly offend by it tonight! I was just looking around like I always do, and got to the meteorite people section. I noticed something I had missed before. There are a number of great people on there, people that made great contributions to the meteorite community, then I saw it, a thief who's only interest in meteorites was to melt them down, ya, you guessed it, Daniel Moreau Barringer. That mans name is not even worthy of the Blog, but there he is on a page about collecting. Keep in mind the Barringer family will have you arrested if you try to COLLECT meteorites on there property, they would rather see them rust away! Ya, a real meteorite person, let's melt them down so I can get rich off the Nickel. What no main mass, best not tell the government, they are going to give me this land because I plan on mining the main mass, but not all is lost, I can make people pay to see the crater! I am sorry list, I can not see his name with out going off into the deep end, I have no respect for thieves! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ - Original Message - From: Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes for May is now up. Hello Everyone! MeteoriteTimes for May is now up. http://www.meteoritetimes.com/ Enjoy! Paul and Jim ** Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Meteorite Exchange, Inc. http://www.meteorite.com MeteoriteTimes.com http://www.meteoritetimes.com PMB#455 P.O. Box 7000, Redondo Beach, CA 90277 USA *** __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
