[meteorite-list] FW: High Noon!
For you reading pleasure, a LONG message from Steve Curry to... well... a heck of a lot of people. P.S. I'm not even a member of the IMCA, so I'm not sure how I can tender my resignation. Can I find two members to vouch for me so I can join, just in case I need to resign? Walter L. Newton 303-838-2058 Website http://newton.acrossthebow.com/ Jewelry http://www.etsy.com/shop/hummingbirdcustom Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Never_Promised_You_a_Rose_Garden_(play) From: Steve Curry [mailto:cwhei...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 10:24 AM To: wahlpe...@aol.com; Walter L. Newton; mexicod...@aim.com; countde...@earthlink.net; daist...@hotmail.com; stlouismeteori...@gmail.com; raremeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list; JoshuaTreeMuseum; yeom...@gmail.com; mikest...@gmail.com; star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; gmh...@centurylink.net; daniel_w...@comcast.net; sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com; axolot...@gmail.com; Randy Korotev; Randy L. Korotev; John Wasson; James Wittke; Roger Warin; Ken Newton; Stuart McDaniel; Dr. Michael Zolensky; Dr. Timothy McCoy; Maria Haas; Anne Black; Carl Agee; Chris A. Peterson; Dr. Alex Ruzicka; Tim Stout; Galactic Stone Ironworks; kevin.righter-1; Rainer Newberry; Ted Bunch; onther...@usairborne.com; Moto Ito; Tomasz Jakubowski; Ian A. Franchi; Zeus Crankypants; Catherine (Cari) Corrigan; Matthew Benjamin; lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Subject: High Noon! Hi Boys Girls; You've all had a wonderful time, over past couple of years, in trying to denounce my research, attacking my integrity, defaming my character, and, most importantly, making absolute fools of yourselves! I've allowed this, and I've exhibited a great deal of tolerance for your highly unprofessional, and grossly unethical behavior, but, I will not tolerate your abuse of my family, friends, and business colleagues. YOU HAVE CROSSED THE LINE FOR THE LAST TIME!! As an organization, that explicitly demands behavior above beyond reproach, it is quite apparent, that the IMCA does not enforce its own policies. Each every member of this organization needs to hang their heads low, in shame, for allowing the Administration of the IMCA to engage, support, and condone this type of behavior by its membership. This is not to say, that all members of the IMCA, exhibit this abhorrent behavior. I trust, that there are many members of high integrity, honesty, sincerity, and commitment to the many sciences surrounding meteoritics. To those members, I ask that you take a stand against those members, who have treated this organization with such selfish disdain, and disregard of its charter. IMCA member, Adam Hupe, recently raised a flag of protest, over my use of the term, NWA 5000, in comparing our Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic Breccia meteorite to his prized possession, purchased from a Moroccan dealer. Mr. Hupe seems to think the NWA 5000 is, somehow, a title deserving of a Trademark! For starters, Northwest Africa is by geographical location description, in Public Domain! 5000 is merely an integer, or number, and cannot be trademarked. It, too, is considered Public Domain! The US Trademark Office would, simply, laugh at Mr. Hupe's submission. It would not get any more embarrassing for Mr. Hupe, than this! If Mr. Hupe, and other IMCA members, would like to end this, once and for all, here is my challenge, and I will not accept any substitutions, alterations, or changes, to this challenge. You can, also, trust, that this challenge this will be fair, and without bias, or prejudice. Unlike you folks, I play by the rules, and I play fair, and honestly! You can trust, too, that the stakes are extremely high! Just for sport, I'm going to name this game, HIGH NOON IN WESTERN COLORADO!..Even though, this dual will be held in the evening. I am giving a meteorite lecture seminar at the Delta County Library, on September 20, 2011, @ 6:00pm. If Mr. Hupe can trust his fellow IMCA member, Blaine Reed, Mr. Hupe is to send a specimen sample of the NWA 5000 to Mr. Reed. Mr. Blain Reed must show up at this lecture, armed with his new toy, as in his XRF hand-held analyzer. I, too, will show up with our XRF hand-held analyzer, which will be operated by an experienced geologist from Western Colorado. Mr. Reed, and our geologist, will conduct XRF analysis on both the NWA 5000, and our Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic Breccia. Both stones will be analyzed using the Precious Metal Mode, and the Prospector Mode, which will produce elemental percentages, and elemental PPM's (Parts-per-Million). The results from Mr. Reed, and our geologist, will be recorded by a officer from the Delta County Sheriff's office, which is next door to the library. The analysis will, then, be compared by a jury of 12 men women, in our audience, to those figures obtained from NASA's Apollo Lunar Sample Atlas, and the Lunar
[meteorite-list] High Noon - Update
Interesting, If Mr. Curry is so sure that his rocks are really lunar, then I wonder why he removed the Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic Breccia from his Ebay listings? http://www.ebay.com/sch/uncometeorites/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 Adam, I think you touched a nerve, Stevie is running scared. Walter L. Newton 303-838-2058 Website http://newton.acrossthebow.com/ Jewelry http://www.etsy.com/shop/hummingbirdcustom Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Never_Promised_You_a_Rose_Garden_(play) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Curry Montrose Meteorites and Mexico Doug
Doug, Why would you suggest that Montrose Altrusa would get involved in arbitrating the Curry phony meteorite controversy? Sandra Lee Tyler is simply a member of Altrusa, and she has a position on their Yearbook Committee. Montrose Altrusa has nothing to do with Steve Curry's charities and scientific organizations. Your suggestion that Montrose Altrusa would have anything to do with these meteorite sales (like the ICMA) is silly. Why would they? And you mention that you haven't seen any of these Curry meteorites. Well, here is some of the crap that he is personally selling... http://www.ebay.com/sch/uncometeorites/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 ... and if you have been reading the thread on Curry, you will realize that he has managed to find other people and businesses in the Western part of the state of Colorado to start selling his junk, both on EBay and in brick and mortar stores. I say some of his junk in a rock shop just 3 weeks ago, in Cimarron, Colorado. The store owner wanted 3000 dollars for a 30 gram iron which looked like a cleaned Nantan. Curry's certificate claim the piece was park of the Montrose Iron fall, which of course doesn't exist. Since the meteorite list is for discussing meteorites, and it's not unusual for the topic of meteor wrongs to come up on the list, I don't know why you would complain about people using bandwidth to discuss Curry and his sludge? Maybe this doesn't idiot Curry doesn't effect you. But it's certainly a black spot on meteorite sellers and collectors, especially ones in Colorado. It's hard enough to sell real meteorites to the general public. Many are not even aware that private individuals can own such material, and when presented with a meteorite, many guffaw and claim how did you get a real meteorite or something similar. Last summer I had about 200 grams of UNWA's in a display at a very popular rock shop up here in the Colorado Rockies, a shop frequented by a lot of summer tourists, and we couldn't move a single gram, mainly because customers would scoff at them, claiming they can't be real. When I started collecting over 10 years ago, I was amazed that something as wonderful as a meteorite could actually be legally owned by myself. People like Curry don't help the situation, not at any time. For me, this is local, for you, this is far removed. Maybe you would be more concerned, more interested if this guy was selling meteor wrongs and mislabeled material in your neighborhood? Just my two cents, Walter L. Newton Website http://newton.acrossthebow.com/ Jewelry http://www.etsy.com/shop/hummingbirdcustom Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Never_Promised_You_a_Rose_Garden_(play) Doug wrote... Since we only see one side of this dispute on the list, If you guys ever tire of sparring with Mr. Curry, why don't you just ask Ms. Sandra Lee, his very respected housemate (listed in the white pages at their same address) whether she can help you resolve your suspicions since she has responsibility in the matter as well. She apparently is a member of the large worldwide organization Altrusa, an NGO which is dedicated to community service for the betterment of the world and especially those less fortunate and I am sure they would take it upon themselves to set the record straight, much like the IMCA does. If you truly think there is something not right about the stones, Ms. Sandra can be reached at : LEETYLER6 at GMAIL.COM according to Mr. Curry's Colorado Charitable organization application in 2011, Google-able on the internet. But if the email doesn't work just call or email the Montrose Altrusa and I'm sure they'll offer to help out in any dispute among its members since as the Chairman/Treasurer of the Charitable organization Mr. Curry is working under, it is actually she who would be responsible for the money generated by the charitable meteorite sales, not Mr. Curry, who is simply the president, according to: http://www.sos.state.co.us/ccsa/ViewReports.do?evEntityType=COceId=70100ev Altrusa Montrose is at: http://www.altrusa.blogspot.com/ However if you contact them and it turns out the rocks are authentic, you should publically apologize profusely. I haven't seen the stones, so actually I don't know anything about this dispute, but it is tying up a lot of bandwidth so that is my 2 centavos. Kindest wishes Doug __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Montrose Meteorites / Steve Curry
Just a few weeks ago, the family and I took a quick 4 day trip to Albuquerque NM, Aztec NM and the Four Corners region of Colorado, for a little ruins, rocks and state parks. On the way home, we stopped at a small general store/rock shop in Cimarron Colorado, and the woman there had 3 pieces of this Montrose Iron with certificates of authenticity from Steve Curry. On line, I also found a gift shop in Grand Junction selling some of his meteorites. It looks like Curry is trying to saturate the Western Slop of Colorado with his junk. I tried to tell the woman in Cimarron that these were fake, but she just complained to me that these are out of your price range, you wouldn't be able to afford them. And I emailed the shop in Grand Junction, they never responded to my email. This Curry Crap (tm) is just tainting the meteorite market, and the effect will snowball to honest dealers and collectors and the general public who are going to get burnt. Too bad. Walter L. Newton Website http://newton.acrossthebow.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What is it?
Found this little 4.7 gram pebble among a parcel of unclassified NWA meteorites I purchase a few years ago from Morocco. It's non-magnetic and when I cut it open, this is what was inside. I realize that a picture is not the final determination on what a stone is or isn't, but, any educated guesses. http://newton.acrossthebow.com/what_is_it_two.JPG http://newton.acrossthebow.com/what_is_it_one.JPG Walter L. Newton Website http://newton.acrossthebow.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What is it?
Found this little 4.7 gram pebble among a parcel of unclassified NWA meteorites I purchase a few years ago from Morocco. Its' non-magnetic and when I cut it open, this is what was inside. I realize that a picture is not the final determination on what a stone is or isn't, but, any educated guesses. http://newton.acrossthebow.com/what_is_it_two.JPG http://newton.acrossthebow.com/what_is_it_one.JPG Walter L. Newton Website http://newton.acrossthebow.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Wrongs On EBay
Adam, I questioned Steve on his claim that winning bids on his lunar items are 80 percent tax deductible. I found this impossible since his organization is not listed with the IRS as a tax-deductible organization. You can see all that information at the Secretary of the State of Colorado web site, under his filing for his organization... Has the organization applied for or been granted IRS tax exempt status? : No and Are contributions to the organization tax deductible?: No http://www.sos.state.co.us/ccsa/ViewReports.do?evEntityType=COceId=70100ev Id=70100 Steve so politely emailed me the following information... Walter! Walter! Walter!! Shame on you, Dude! Unless you are Cobaltbird, or some other lost soul, or a IMCA LOONIE, you've never, once, emailed me. Thanks for letting me record your statements! I have you in my sights, Buddy! I will take no prisoners!But, I will take your resignation from the IMCA!!! Love ya!.NOT A CHANCE!! Steve ...and... I've got your number, Wally, and I'll be passing it on! Thanks for your input, and let me know when you graduate Jr. High! In the meantime, keep your unprofessional, unethical, discourteous, and unscientific comments to yourself! Just find something else to do, will you? Preferably, something that will benefit someone besides yourself! Steve He's still trying to sell his rhyolitic volcanics on Ebay. I was in his area just a week ago, took a short 4 day Four Corners vacation to ruins, rocks, and state parks. If you're not careful, you'll trip over this junk he tries to sell. Walter L. Newton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Steve Curry is at it again!
Or maybe I should say Curry has never stopped. The Meteorite Man from Montrose, Colorado is gracing us with his one of a kind finds from the western slopes. http://www.ebay.com/sch/uncometeorites/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 and he is still promising that 80 percent of your bid is tax deductible through his charitable organization. Seems that would be a little hard to do since he is not registered with the IRS as a charitable organization (see his filing with the state of Colorado) http://www.sos.state.co.us/ccsa/ViewReports.do?evEntityType=COceId=70100ev Id=70100 In the past, Mr. Curry has been willing to respond to emails and explain all about his wonderful lunar treasures. I emailed him a number of times... he's not interested in talking to us anymore. Don't you wish there was a way to stop this? Walter L. Newton Conifer, Colorado __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Anyone know this Moroccan Meteorite Dealer?
Hi I have dealt with him once. He sent me a group of pictures of different parcels of meteorites. They looked rather nice and fresh. I did a little back and forth on the price per gram and we both settled on a price. I wired him the money Western Union. It appears that he had me wire the money directly to someone who may have been the REAL owner of the rocks. I did not wire the money to him. He shipped the package on July 14th, 2006. On Aug. 4th, 2006 the package cleared US customs. After these rocks took 4.6 billion years to get here, the US Post Office has managed to lose the package in 4 weeks. They claim there is nothing they can do about it, even though I had a tracking number (that's how I got the info on the package clearing customs). I have heard of a few other people dealing with him and they have received what they ordered. Also, the ex-editor of the Australian meteorite magazine (I forgot his name right now) confirmed to me, though an email, that this person is reliable. My only advice would be to have this person send the package DHL or something like that. It may cost you a bit more money, but it could be worth it instead of losing over 200 dollars to the US Post Office like I did. Mr. Farmer makes a good point, but it seems in this case that your risk is small. At least from this seller. And I see nothing wrong with being able to deal direct with these Moroccan dealers if they are on the up and up. That's just good capitalism as far as I can see. If the NWA stuff is drying up, and some one has access to these rocks, all the better for the collectors. If anyone has an idea of how I can get the Post Office to do their job, let me know. Both my local postmaster and the 800 customer service people just about told me to bad, so sad. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I'm getting confused by the MB coordinates
Hi Some of you may have remember being bored by my running dialog with the MB and Jeff in reference to the actual find spot of a Colorado meteorite. In the MB, the Apex Colorado meteorite has coordinates that puts the find (1938) at about 4 miles north of the actual location. I know the actual location because of the narrative in the MB, and Jack Murphy concurs. He knows where it was found and it's not where the MB coordinates have it. Now... a have a new girlfriend (yes, this is really going somewhere) and Steffanie lives in Russell Gulch Colorado, which is an old mining town south and above Central City Colorado. It's listed as a ghost town even though it has about 35 folks living there. Well, looking at the MB list of Colorado meteorites, low and behold, we have a Russell Gulch meteorite, an iron, found in 1863. But, if you check the coordinates with Google Earth, the find spot would be right in Central City Colorado... about 4 miles north of Russell Gulch. Do we see a pattern here. Steff is going to hook me up with an old timer that lives in Russell Gulch, who knows about the find and has a good idea where it was found. My question is (I promised this was going somewhere)... was some of the coordinates in the MB constructed from a different map datum. I vaguely remember something about different datum sets used for lat. and long. I don't really understand the details about this, but I know my simple GPS unit has a whole list of datum sets that I can set my unit to. Are the MB coordinates really right, but using a different starting point then Google Earth. Otherwise, I guess I'm going to go off on another tangent with the MB about another find spot. Maybe someone can point me to an online article that explains all this? I know this is not as earth shattering as losing a whole planet, but it bugs me none the less. Stop me before it's too late. (did this make any sense?) Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] re: I'm getting confused by the MB coordinates
Back again Ok... I did a little self searching on this topic of map datum used for lat. and long. on MB entries. There are different sets of map datum that have been use (and some still being used) to locate the zero point on a map (or the whole planet), from which the measurements are made from. Google Earth places item on it's maps using WGS-84 (World Geodetic System 1984) datum. All older US government topological maps used NAD27 (North American Datum 1927) based on a zero point at Meades Ranch in Kansas. Use of this datum is being replaced by NAD83 datum. I found a online map datum converter calculator at... http://jeeep.com/details/coord/ ... and used it to convert the MB coordinates for the Russell Gulch Colorado 1863 find and the Apex Colorado 1938 find, to see if the MB coordinates from that time were using the NAD27 datum point. Well, that only placed the find spots 200 meters closer (south) to the actual find spots. So, that's not my answer. The answer is the MB coordinates may not reflect the actual find spot in all cases. Now, I understand that the MB folks are busy and cannot personally go out and check every find spot in their database. And the information given to them is sometimes over a 100 years old (as in the case of Russell Gulch 1863). But some of us meteorite collectors can. In the case of the Apex Colorado find, I don't even have to go anywhere (even though the real find spot is only 4 miles from me). All I had to do was read the narrative that came with the MB listing, realize that the narrative names verifiable places as the find spot, and in my case, verify the information by talking to Jack Murphy, ex-curator of the Denver Museum of Natural History (now known as Denver Museum of Nature and Science). And in the case of the Russell Gulch find, as I mentioned in my last post, my girlfriend, who lives in Russel Gulch, is going to put me in contact with a old timer who has information on the actual find spot. So I may be able to place this meteorite closer to the actual find spot. This may sound like a trivial pursuit (that would make a good name for a game), but I know if I wanted to hunt a old find spot for possible new finds, I would like to be a bit closer than 4 miles from the find. I don't know if the MB folks would want to start dealing with changes like this, but I think it's something to consider. This is a science, and I would think that we would want our data to be as accurate as possible. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co P.S: Russell Gulch should be spelt with ONE L. It seems somewhere in time the double L spelling became the norm, but I guess spelling is not a science. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WANTED: A decent Nantan piece
Hi list Does anyone have a decent sized Nantan piece for sale. I'm looking for something at least 2 inches long by ?. I would like one that is cleaned, but willing to take one crusted. I have a separate display case for my classic irons (not really crazy about irons anyway) but my stock of Nantan pieces are either very small ones or the bigger ones are oxidized. I'm not looking for a best of show or anything, just something to fill my Nantan space in my display. Most of what I see on Ebay is either very small, overpriced or junk (sometimes all three). A picture would be nice. Please contact me off list. Walter L. Newton 1400 Utah Street #101 Golden, Co 80401 Home 303-279-3046 Cell 303-906-9653 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Define shock value
Hi list When you see the shock number with a meteorite (ex: s3, s4 etc.), is this referring to the amount of shock that the meteorite went through when it hit the earth, or when it broke apart or impacts (or multiple impacts) experienced in space. Or is it a number that refers to the overall shocking that occurred through any source. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wanted - NWA 1756
Hi Do any of the dealers or list users have some of this for sale or trade? If so, please contact me off list with the information. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A 24 pound lunar meteorite in Colorado
Hi A few days ago I placed a free ad on Craigslist which stated that I collect and purchase meteorites. I received a very nasty email from a gentleman who claims that he has a 24 pound lunar meteorite. He was quite adamant that I must not know anything about meteorites since I was advertising on Craigslist. He proceeded to let me know that meteorites are VERY EXPENSIVE and I could never afford one. I questioned his ownership of a 24 pound lunar meteorite and informed him that meteorites come in all flavors, rare and not rare, inexpensive and very costly. He responded... LOL, if they are so common, and you are a member of this club, then how come you don't have one Get a life, bud, and you can't have my 24 pound meteorite for any money. Oh, and one other thing, it is from the moon, so it is even more rare than you think!!! One other thing, your reply shows how small your mind is. You should develop some manners, son! Now go get lost in the mountains trying to find a rock! I'm not sure what is going on with some people. All I did was to let Craigslist users know that I buy meteorites. There are some really nutty folks out there who are ready to explode at a moments notice. If any of the list users are interested in inquiring about his 24 pound lunar meteorite, please email me off list and I will send you his contact information. Life is crazy. Walter L. Newton 1400 Utah Street #101 Golden, Co 80401 Home 303-279-3046 Cell 303-906-9653 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Looking for a dealer
Hi Does anyone have full contact information on a dealer from NY named rocko. That's all the information I have. I was told he shows up at the Denver show. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thin section meteorites on ebay
Hi I found these slides listed under scientific collectibles on Ebay. They are not listed under meteorites. So I suspect many meteorite collectors would never find these. He has 6 sets of 12 for sale, at 240.00 buy it now only. The description is... Description - Collection of 12 - 1x2 meteorite thin section petrographic microscope slides made in the All-Russian Geological Institute (VSEGI) thin section workshop: 1) NWA 2140 - CV3, North West Africa 2) Bjurbole - L/LL4, Uusimaa, Finland 3) Seymchan - Iron-ung, Magadanskaya oblast, Russia 4) Gold Basin - L4, Mojave Co., AZ 5) Hualapai Wash, L6, Mojave Co., AZ 6) Wellman (a) - H5, Terry Co., TX 7) Franconia - H5, Mojave Co., AZ 8) JAH 055 - L4-5, Al Wusta, Oman 9) NWA 869 - L4-6, North West Africa 10) SAU 001 - L5, Al Wusta, Oman 11) DHO 020 - H4/5, Zufar, Oman 12) Popigai - Impactite, Taymyrskiy, Russia I don't know this guy. I'm not shilling for him. I don't know if this is a good price or not. I just thought the list would like to see them. http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-Thin-Section-Petrographic-Microscope-Slides_W0 QQitemZ110011784033QQihZ001QQcategoryZ361QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] How they classify Meteorites
Hi What are the steps that a lab takes to classify a meteorite? Are there any simple guidelines that we can use to get in the ballpark. An example. I cut and polish opals. We have charts to gauge the matrix color, the flash patterns in the stone, pictures that show examples of the different kinds of opal (white, crystal, semi-crystal, boulder, black opal etc.). Is there anything available for meteorites. The 3-7 numbers used to indicate chondrule density, how is that determined? Is it so many chondrules for a certain surface area? Is it the condition of the chondrules? If they are rating the stone from 3-7, then they must have some sort of metrics they use. I would imagine h-l-ll is determined by some sort of lab equipment. But is there some general information that can be used to at least give us an idea of magnetic attraction? I know I can take a handful of similar sized unclassified NWA's, and a magnet will have a strong, medium or very low attraction to these stones. Is this good enough to get an approximate idea of h-l-ll? Since I started this hobby about 3 months ago, I have purchased just about all of the popular books on the subject yet I don't recall seeing any charts or something on this subject. Thanks for reading. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co P.S. Any guidelines on how to slice meteorites? What I mean is, do you slice in a direction that gives you the most surface area, or in some direction that gives you the best view of the matrix and chondrules? Is there any way to know what direction will give you the best looking slice, showing the best looking innards. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] How they classify Meteorites
Hi again... Martin answered... I heard, that in some cases a microprobe is very helpful. But they are expensive - see: http://kuerzer.de/microprob Hmm, today Ken Regelman posted to the group, that he has developed a guideline for classifying types. Perhaps you can ask him? Do you have already O.Norton: The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites? A fine book, where you can learn more about the different types. Comprehensive and well illustrated with pictures. Buckleboo! Martin I understand the different types, what my question was getting at is how much typing can we do without expensive lab equipment? Or is every phase of meteorite typing done with lab equipment. Walter L. Newton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] How they classify Meteorites
But... I have one of those electron-microprobes... I use it for testing the age of French cheese. I can use it on meteorites? :) Walter L. Newton Golden, Co 80401 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Anyone got $450,000 to drop on some meteorites?
Why? Is that a good price? Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] re: Another Meteorite Lands in Norway?
Here's the answer... Herigstad, meanwhile, isn't sure what he'll do with the meteorite, which could be a valuable sales object. A quick check on the Internet revealed prices as high as NOK 700,000 (more than USD 100,000). We had just been wondering whether a cabin we're building is getting too expense, and then this falls out of the sky, he said with a laugh. Yea... I'll bet. Always look for the money quote. And he is holding it in one hand with no apparent stress or weight against his hand. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Is MB data available in digital form?
Hi Is the basic data records that are in the MB database available in digital form so a individual could create his/her own database? I would like to be able to query the MB data in certain ways not offered on the MB online site. I also want to be able to total certain data columns. The online MB database doesn't have this feature. I searched around the MB site and could not find the answer to my question there. Or does ANYONE offer a similar database as the MB? Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What's a chondrule-what's not a chondrule?
Hi list, a little technical question. I understand what a chondule is, but sometime, when looking at a slice of a meteorite, I am confused as to what they always look like. I have a polished slice of NWA 787 (same as NWA 869). I see light brown sphere's but I also see light brown ellipsoid (is that the word I'm looking for?) splotches. The same thing exists for some light grey patches. The there are light brown or light grey lines, maybe 2-3mm long. Is that a clast or inclusion or what? In a slice of NWA 2859 (H4) I see a few round grey metal patches. I suspect that just so happens to be a round blob of iron, not a chondrule. Most of the time when I see a picture that points out chondrules, the illustration always points to round objects. Do I assume if it's not round, it's not a chondrule? Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] How can we stop this
Hi This guy on Ebay has a meteorwrong on Ebay. It is SO wrong that he has been contacted by other people, telling him that it is not a meteorite. He emails me back and says since his description says it may not be a meteorite, he is going to leave it listed. I imagine that any one who emailed him was just trying to help, yet these idiots insist on screwing the buyers. It's a GEODE, I told him that, I have friends of mine that told him that. I'm just ranting, just makes me mad. Sorry. http://cgi.ebay.com/Huge-Fantastic-Meteorite-Stone-1415-Grams_W0QQitemZ25000 4310212QQihZ015QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Walter L. Newton 1400 Utah Street #101 Golden, Co 80401 Home 303-279-3046 Cell 303-906-9653 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite expert on tour in 100 Mile House
Disconnect... I read that article. Either the reporter has real problems taking notes or Karolko doesn't know squat about what he is talking about. It's amazing some of the poop that passes for journalism now a days. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Apex - Colorado - possible MB correction
I have been looking at the Apex Colorado meteorite find in the MD databse and I believe the coordinates, as listed, are wrong. I sent the following information to Jeff Grossman. I thought the group would be interested in this... Jeff I am investigating a Colorado meteorite find from 1938. According to the Meteoritical Bulletin database, this find was named APEX and the 6.1 gram rock was placed in the collection of the Denver Museum of Nature and Science (this is the current name of the museum). It was not recognized as a meteorite until 1983. I don't know if it was placed in the museum collection before 1983 or after. My problem is this. The Bulletin describes the find location as 39o,45' N and 105o,12' W. The Google Earth application shows this location as being on the a mesa top that runs along the north-northeast side of Golden, Colorado. Yet the text in the Bulletin describes the location as Found by Robert Akerley during his investigation of an ancient Indian camping site in the foothills west of Denver. This site subsequently became known as the Magic Mountain site. The specimen is now in the Denver Museum of Natural History. Source: J. Murphy, Denver Museum of Natural History, City Park, Denver, Colorado 80205, USA. This site as mentioned above was a Plains Indian archeological site on the south side of Golden, Colorado, about 4-5 miles from the find site mentioned in the MB database. Between 1957/59, the second theme park in the USA (Disney being the first) was built on some of this site. The park was called Magic Mountain. As the park was being built, research was being done on the site (1958/59) in hopes of gaining as much information about the site before most of it became unavailable. When the amusement park was finished, 2/3's of the site laid beneath the upper parking lot of the amusement park. The remaining accessible part of the site was named Apex Park and in 1997/98, a final study was done of the site. After that the site was filled in for preservation purposes. Apex Park is part of the Jefferson County Open Space system. The park acts as a trailhead for a number of hiking/biking trails into the foothills. Magic Mountain was not a successful amusement park and closed in the early 60's. Currently the amusement park is called Heritage Square, and all that remains of Magic Mountain are the Victorian styled buildings and a few rides. The buildings are used as shops and it also houses a live theatre. According to the text of the Bulletin, the find site should be somewhere with in existing Apex Park. I suggest that the coordinates for the find should be 39o 42' 56.37'' North 105o 12' 41.45''. Even though we don't know the exact find spot, these coordinates would place the find in the center of the current Apex Park site and not 4-5 miles north of the find spot. I hope this can be of help. Walter L. Newton 1400 Utah Street #101 Golden, Co 80401 Home 303-279-3046 Cell 303-906-9653 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Apex - Colorado - possible MB correction
I just received a email from Jeff Grossman at the MB database. He questioned my research on the correct find spot for the Apex Colorado find. I will not post his reply here, but I will post MY rely back to him -- Jeff I contacted Logan Ivy at the museum last week. He confirmed that the research at the Magic Mountain site was done by Robert Akerley, in 1938, and he found the meteorite and gave it to the museum. Further confirmation for the actual location of the Magic Mountain site itself can be found in William Bill Butler's dissertation on Magic Mountain published in the 1980s. Considering the following confirmed facts... 1) Robert Akerley dug at the Magic Mountain Plains Indian encampment. 2) The encampment was at the mouth of the Apex Gulch. 3) Robert Akerley found a 6.1 gram meteorite. 4) The meteorite exists in the collection of the Denver Museum of Nature and Science 5) The meteorite was officially classified 6) The actual location of the Magic Mountain site is well know and can be confirmed by a college dissertation. 7) The mesa top location of the coordinates in the MB database does not match any of the other facts. In Matthew L. Morgan's booklet The Handbook of Colorado Meteorites, published by the Colorado Geological Survey, he uses the coordinates from the MB database but his text descriptions reads as follows... Stone. Olivine-hypersthene chondrite (L6). A small single stone was found at the mouth of Apex Gulch, near the Heritage Village shopping center, 3.2 km south of Golden. I would say using the center of the existing Apex Park site would be a whole lot closer than a barren mesa top which has no relation to the other facts. I'm not sure what facts would be missing here? As far as the origin of the coordinates themselves, Mr. Ivy said... Google Earth probably uses WGS84 as a datum, but the map coordinates were probably derived from a USGS topo sheet, which will use the NAD27 datum. Try using Topozone.com. Logan Ivy Not matter where the original coordinates came from, they appear wrong. And since we have narrative that describes the find site, and the current state of the site still matches the narrative, I suspect that the narrative correctly locates the find spot. If you have any other questions, please email me. Thank you. Walter L. Newton Maybe I am missing something here. His reply to me seemed to be strangely dismissive. Do these folks get their feathers easily ruffled if you question some of their facts and figures? I was just trying to be helpful, not harmful. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Apex - Colorado - possible MB correction
Jeff Grossman wanted me to deal directly with Rhian Jones, the AE at MB, about this subject, so here is an update of what I wrote to Ms. Jones. Ms. Jones I will answer Mr. Grossman's question below by passing this information directly to you. And then, if you have more questions, please email me any time and I will try to respond. I suspect if you have read the past emails on this subject, then you are up to date on the topic. Matt Morgan is in Wyoming for the holiday, so I cannot ask him where his text reference to Apex Gulch came from. I will cc: him on this and speak to him when he returns. But I can try to make things clearer about these name-places. Apex Park, Apex Gulch, Magic Mountain Archeological Site, the Plains Indian encampment, all these names refer to the same exact site. The Indian site was at the mouth of Apex Gulch. Apex Gulch comes down from the foothills and widens at the end, such as a large river creates a delta. Here, in Golden Colorado, this place has been refered to the mouth of Apex Gulch (or just plain Apex Gulch). In 1938 the Plains Indian encampment was know as Apex Gulch. For a matter of fact, not to detour to far off course, the plain name APEX should not be the name reference of the meteorite find at all. The plain name APEX refers to the frontier town Apex, which sits at the TOP of Apex Gulch, almost 15 miles going south-west into the foothills. This town is now one of Colorado's existing ghost towns. The first wagon toll road was constructed from the mouth of Apex Gulch (in Golden Colorado) up through the Gulch to Apex and Central city, square one of the Colorado gold rush. As I was writing this email to you, Jack Murphy called me. As you may know, he was the curator at the Denver Museum of Natural History for 25 years and his specialty was geology and meteorites. He saw my posts on the meteorite list and he wanted to let me know that he can confirm my placement of the Apex find on this site. Him and I are going to go to the site and we will get exact coordinates with a GPS. He also has unpublished written material that can better explain what I have discovered. He said he originally submitted the meteorite find as the Apex Gulch find but the MB edited that to just Apex, which in itself could cause more confusion that just the wrong coordinates, since as I said, Apex is a town many miles away from the find. So, in a couple of weeks I will have the cornerstone of information that fill any possible holes in my research. If you have any question, please email me and I will be glad to answer them. When I started this trek last week, I first tried to find Jack Murphy as I was informed that he could give me the best information on this subject. Jack said someone on this list passed this discussion on to him and Jack contacted me. I was so surprised to hear from Mr. Murphy that I didn't catch the name of the list member who contacted him. So... my thanks to that list member... So is looks like Jack Murphy and myself will be going to the site to better pinpoint the coordinates and we will submit that info (and his proof that Apex Gulch is the actual find site) to Ms. Jones. So we may be able to not only get the coordinates updated, but we may be able to have this find properly named. And really thanks to the mebers of this list in general. I have had a number of private emails about this topic and you all have been a GREAT help. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] My discussion on FEEDBACK has been Successful
Hi List. Well, it seems that my discussion on Thursday. June 29th, 2006 about the need for dealers to leave feedback on Ebay, has yielded positive results. 1) Last night, Mike Cottingham left me positive feedback within 1 minute after I purchase a lunar slice from him. 2) I purchased Matt Morgan's book from his website last night, and he left me positive feedback, and it wasn't even a Ebay auction. 3) I have been ask to submit (at the last minute) an abstract on Ebay, Feedback and the effect on Moroccan Meteorite Exportation. To the Morocco Meteorite Meeting. Happy 4th of July to all! Walter L. Newton Golden, Co. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Uncut NWA's - Does the exterior disclose the interior
It's almost holiday, list folk. I'll be good today and actually ask a meteorite question instead of playing devil's advocate about feedback and dealers. You see a lot of ads for uncut NWA's in bulk lots. I have even purchased a few of these and I do have fun discovering what may be inside. And I have even found some with a good amount of visible chondrules, impact features and one that had an image of The Virgin Mary inside :). But I have been collecting things for a LONG time, and I know, at least in other hobbies, that bulk items can be cherry picked way before it gets to you. Is that the same with uncut bulk lots of meteorites. And if so, how can you tell from the exterior what might be in the interior. I would find it hard to believe that anyone would purchase at bulk wholesale prices and simply pass the items on to a buyer with only a mark up on the cost without taking a minute to make sure he/she is not passing on the next Mars visitor. Or... Oops, didn't catch those 20 pieces of L3's in my last lot, my bad I'm not trying to be smarmy here, but business is business. So, my main question is this; What can you tell about the possible composition of a meteorite by looking at the surface? And I'm not talking about some pieces I've seen where the chondule is practically poking out on the surface like a wart. Any help on this? Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Uncut NWA's - Does the exterior disclose
Doug I will have to admit, you have a way with words. I have noticed that since the first day I visited this sight. But as always, you totally have missed my point (I've noticed that too). I would imagine this list exists for the purpose of LEARNING about the subject of meteorites. My question was intended to solicit information that would add to my meager knowledge of this subject. I wasn't out just to state the obvious. So, Oh Great One. How do the finders, dealers etc, everyone but the poor collector, look at a batch of NWA's and decide which ones will be held on to and which ones end up on Ebay? Let's play a game. Doug is in Morocco, some local has a basket of NWA's (say 5 kg) and Doug buys them. (Now this gets tricky). HOW DOES DOUG DECIDE WHICH STONES TO KEEP AND WHICH STONES TO THROW TO WALTER, WITHOUT OUT MAKING AN END CUT IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM? Does Doug look for something about the exterior that may indicate a clue to the innards? I'm waiting with baited breath (or is that bad breath) and my finger on the Ebay button for your answer. Keep it in simple language. For my obvious sake, please don't use words bigger than pits. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Uncut NWA's - Does the exterior disclose
Rob Thanks. That was the kind of info I was looking for. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Why no prices ever show from dealers
Steve Ask Mexico Doug. I bet he will have an answer. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Astronomy Magazine
Bob Did you get it in the mail or at a news stand? I don't have a subscription but the super market next store to my apartment sells it on the magazine rack. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] More exact information about the norwegian fall
test Walter L. Newton 1400 Utah Street #101 Golden, Co 80401 Home 303-279-3046 Cell 303-906-9653 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty
Hi What do you do with a dealer who seems to have NO TIME to leave you feedback on Ebay. I have had many times where a non-dealer seller on Ebay simply never gets around to fulfilling their duties of leaving feedback. That is annoying enough. But why a when a dealer does not leave you feedback, is beyond me. I would imagine that a dealer should understand that user input on Ebay is a lifeline to developing a good selling relationship with users who are considering purchasing something from the dealer. The same can be said for buyers. I know I feel more at ease when I see that a winner of one of my auctions has a firm feedback rating. And bottom line, it's just common courtesy to follow up successful sales with a positive feedback entry for the buyer. I have sent him numerous emails, but no feedback yet. It's been over 3 weeks since the auction. Walter L. Newton 1400 Utah Street #101 Golden, Co 80401 Home 303-279-3046 Cell 303-906-9653 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty
Hi Paul Yes, it's about the meteorites. I haven't noticed this caveat with the meteorite dealers, but a lot of dealers on Ebay set their own bidding rules (which is Ebay legal). Some dealers (or even part-time sellers) will not except bids from anyone with ANY negative feedback, or requires you to have X amount of positive feedbacks to bid and so on. If you don't follow these special rules, the seller can cancel your bid. So feedback is important. I'm not talking about soliciting for positive feedback. I just want the dealer to leave feedback, good, bad or indifferent. The whole foundation of Ebay's community idea is the self-monitoring of sellers and buyers. And as a Power Seller myself (not meteorites), I know how my feedback ratings help both my selling and buying. Yes, it's about the meteorites. And when a meteorite dealer is more interested in selling the rocks than anything else, and is lazy with the follow up, in my mind this is not helpful for anyone or the collecting community. I may as well pick up my rocks at the tourist traps all over the country, since the dealer has decided that the personal service and his duty to the buyer is not as important than his bottom line. If I want this type of service, I can go to Kmart. Closing note. The dealer I am addressing in this topic has managed to list 20 new items in the last two days. So I know he is not away from his computer or not available to take care of his duty. Paul, I can't agree with you. Walter L. Newton 1400 Utah Street #101 Golden, Co 80401 Home 303-279-3046 Cell 303-906-9653 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty
Hi Maybe you hadn't read my second post, but this dealer in question has had a lot of time in the last three weeks to list item after item, but not 10 seconds to leave feedback? And you have no idea if what the content of my numerous email were like. I am extremely polite and friendly. If polite and friendly bothers a dealer, then maybe he should take up another profession like... oh... maybe a hermit. And managing feedback is really simple if you use My Ebay. You don't have to make any lists or remember who you left feedback for. Just go to My Ebay, click on feedback and you will be presented with a list of all buyers that you need to leave feedback for. Walter L. Newton 1400 Utah Street #101 Golden, Co 80401 Home 303-279-3046 Cell 303-906-9653 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty
By the way... I know I am new to this list, but I don't feel that my question was out of line. But I assume that some one on this list does. I just got this private email from a list member in reference to this subject. You expect too much of people. There's an a**hole born every minute... j. karl Mr. Karl If the a-hole remark is toward me, then thank you for the information. I will make sure I don't waste my time responding to any of your postings on this list. I wouldn't want to tax your mental capabilities. If the a-hole is in reference to the dealer, then thank you for the information. I will make sure I don't get on your wrong side this early in the morning. I think you're a-hole remark is uncalled for no matter who you are referencing. Isn't this a list-server group dedicated to open discussion. Making a statement like you did is the same as telling someone to shut up... your opinion is not worth anything. I hope I don't run into too much of this on this list. Walter L. Newton 1400 Utah Street #101 Golden, Co 80401 Home 303-279-3046 Cell 303-906-9653 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty - A APOLOGY FIRST
Hi list One big APOLOGY from me about posting a email to the list that was sent directly to me. Honest mistake, but I understand the rules now. Won't happen again. I've heard everything from list users feeling that Ebay feedback is almost bogus to Ebay feedback can put the fear of g-d in you. I can agree with the full extreme of opinions, all have very valid points, but I think when it all shakes out, feedback does work for the basic good of the Ebay community. My bottom line is this. As a buyer, I never bid on a auction unless I know I have the money available NOW and I pay as soon as the auction ends. Cash flow is important to a business, and I suspect the dealers enjoy having that money as quickly as if he/she had made a sale over a counter in a store. As a seller, I promise to ship with in 24 hours of receiving payment, I always ship priority since I know how us boys (ok... the girls too) like to get our toys in our grubby little hands ASAP. And I leave feedback as soon as I can, for buyer or seller. Following these rules have worked for me for 10 years. But still, I see a recent trend in the last few years where both buyers and sellers are not as concerned with good customer service, or good buyers etiquette. I don't think I am being hard-nosed about this. Any closed system works best when all the parts are working in harmony. It's no different on this list. List members informed me, in very polite ways, that I should not have posted a private email to the list. Some other users recommended that I don't include my personal signature information with my posts. All this input helps make this list work well. I still think that anyone who waits for weeks to leave feedback is not being responsible. Walt Newton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: A MUST SEE AUCTION... POSITIVE FEEDBACK!
Hi If you were trying to sell positive feedback for 5 dollars, then way didn't you make it a Buy It Now auction for 5 dollars. This is confusing me. Think this is some sort of scam. Does anyone even know this dealer. Didn't I see him on Ebay last month trying to see one of the statues on Easter Island? Well, if you are that dealer, I want my money back. You said it would fit in my livingroom, it doesn't. Now the cats are using it for a scratching post in the backyard. And I left you POSiTIVE feedback. :) Walt Newton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Colorado Meteorite Locations on Google Earth
Hi Matt It's interesting that you put up this list today. I live in Golden and just a few days ago I went to the MB database and placed set points in Google Earth for all the Colorado meteorites they had on file. The Apex find intriqued me. One, because the find spot (according to the MB)is just above me on the mesa top. Two, because the find was a single stoney L6 at 6.1 grams. The size and location seemed strange to me. There is NO location place name that would explain the Apex name. The MB database shows the find on the north side of Golden, on the mesa top (where the Castle Rock and Lookout Rock out-crops are). But, on the south side of Golden is the Apex Gulch and Apex Park (part of Jefferson County Open Space). The find rock is at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. So I email Dr. Logan Ivy, curator, about this. Here was part of his answer... Try 39 43'N and 105 12'W. This puts the site near the mouth of Apex Gulch. Remember, the Meteoritical Bulletin locations are rounded. Google Earth probably uses WGS84 as a datum, but the map coordinates were probably derived from a USGS topo sheet, which will use the NAD27 datum. Try using Topozone.com. Logan Ivy I edited the set point in my Google Earth and Dr. Ivy's coordinates placed the find spot about 1/8 of a mile north of Apex Gulch. Closer but no cigar. The text of the MB listing says the meteorite was found at the remains of a Plains Indian camp. There was a Plains Indian camp at the mouth of Apex Gulch and the site was studied in 1938 (the find date), 1958/59 and 1995/96. In 1962 most of this archaeology site was cover over by the parking lot of the newly opened Magic Mountain amusement park, the second theme park in the US (Disney being the first). Only at the north end of the upper parking lot was any of the archaeology site still available. Now a days even the exposed site has be filled back in. I went over to Apex Park this morning and took a few pictures. Magic Mountain is gone, but the original Victorian faced building are now used as shops, a live theatre, and a handfull of amusement rides. It's now called Heritage Square. It's a shame that the archaeology site has been covered. About the meteorite. I don't think there was EVER a fall at this sight. This single stone probably belonged to one of the Indians who camped here. Dr. Ivy concurs. Questions: (I'm a Newbie at this). Can the MB database be updated to better reflect the location? Can the MB text be updated to reflect the nature of the find and note that there probably was not a fall at this site? It would be nice if there was a fall here, because that would mean that there could be some pickings waiting to be found. I'm going to take the Apex Gulch trail in a few weeks and scope out the ground. Maybe I'll see something. Maybe I'll loose a few pounds. Walter Newton Golden, Co. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Colorado Meteorite Locations on Google Earth
Hi Matt It's interesting that you put up this list today. I live in Golden and just a few days ago I went to the MB database and placed set points in Google Earth for all the Colorado meteorites they had on file. The Apex find intriqued me. One, because the find spot (according to the MB)is just above me on the mesa top. Two, because the find was a single stoney L6 at 6.1 grams. The size and location seemed strange to me. There is NO location place name that would explain the Apex name. The MB database shows the find on the north side of Golden, on the mesa top (where the Castle Rock and Lookout Rock out-crops are). But, on the south side of Golden is the Apex Gulch and Apex Park (part of Jefferson County Open Space). The find rock is at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. So I email Dr. Logan Ivy, curator, about this. Here was part of his answer... Try 39 43'N and 105 12'W. This puts the site near the mouth of Apex Gulch. Remember, the Meteoritical Bulletin locations are rounded. Google Earth probably uses WGS84 as a datum, but the map coordinates were probably derived from a USGS topo sheet, which will use the NAD27 datum. Try using Topozone.com. Logan Ivy I edited the set point in my Google Earth and Dr. Ivy's coordinates placed the find spot about 1/8 of a mile north of Apex Gulch. Closer but no cigar. The text of the MB listing says the meteorite was found at the remains of a Plains Indian camp. There was a Plains Indian camp at the mouth of Apex Gulch and the site was studied in 1938 (the find date), 1958/59 and 1995/96. In 1962 most of this archaeology site was cover over by the parking lot of the newly opened Magic Mountain amusement park, the second theme park in the US (Disney being the first). Only at the north end of the upper parking lot was any of the archaeology site still available. Now a days even the exposed site has be filled back in. I went over to Apex Park this morning and took a few pictures. Magic Mountain is gone, but the original Victorian faced building are now used as shops, a live theatre, and a handfull of amusement rides. It's now called Heritage Square. It's a shame that the archaeology site has been covered. About the meteorite. I don't think there was EVER a fall at this sight. This single stone probably belonged to one of the Indians who camped here. Dr. Ivy concurs. Questions: (I'm a Newbie at this). Can the MB database be updated to better reflect the location? Can the MB text be updated to reflect the nature of the find and note that there probably was not a fall at this site? It would be nice if there was a fall here, because that would mean that there could be some pickings waiting to be found. I'm going to take the Apex Gulch trail in a few weeks and scope out the ground. Maybe I'll see something. Maybe I'll loose a few pounds. Walter Newton Golden, Co. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Find spot-Fall spot-Google Earth-Mystery-Questions
Hi all Walter the Newbie here again. The other night, I was looking over the Meteoritical Bulletin Database for meteorites discovered in Colorado (I live in Golden, Co. which is west of Denver right in the foothills of the Rockies). I was looking over the Colorado list that I pulled up from the database and I saw a listing for the APEX find (6.1 grams, Type L6, found 1938). I had never heard of a place named APEX. I clicked on the globe which was part of the legend, and wow, my Google Earth booted up, and a bookmark for APEX Colorado was placed in the Google Earth place list and then Google Earth took me to the location. I didn't know it could do that. My second surprise. The APEX location was about 5 miles from my apartment. It was just up my street, off a dirt road that meandered through the foothills just northwest of my place. A mystery. I Goggled the web to find out something about Apex Colorado. Apex Colorado was a town developed during the Colorado gold boom. It is now one of Colorado's surviving ghost towns. The mystery for me is this. The actual physical location of Apex is about 15 miles directly west of the find spot above my apartment location, into the Rocky Mountains. Why would the find be named after a town 15 miles away when the find is a (excuse the pun), a rocks throw from my town of Golden? And there are many other places nearby that could have been used to name the find. Another mystery. This Apex find behind my location was only one small 6.1 gram stone. Why only one very small stone. Where are the others? Further investigation into this spot near my apartment was interesting. This spot was, at one time, a plains Indian encampment. Archeological studies have been done of this site. The Indians called this spot Magic Mountain (getting creepy now). The locals whites called it APEX GULCH. How come the name of the find is not Apex Gulch or Magic Mountain, instead of just plain Apex? I surmised that the meteorite found here probably came from the medicine bag of one of these Indians who lived at the site. Can a find spot only indicate that a meteorite was found at that spot, even though a fall never happened there? If I'm tramping around the foothills and my meteorite pocket piece falls out of my pocket and 50 years from now someone finds it, would it be possible that that piece could be give a name for the find? This find spot is now all private property, but I wonder. Just one stone, or is there more up there waiting to be found. And one afterthought. If you all go rushing up there, someone stop at my apartment and pick me up, I'd like to get to meet you all. Walter L. Newton 1400 Utah Street #101 Golden, Co 80401 Home 303-279-3046 Cell 303-906-9653 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mohr's value for stoney meteorites
Thanks Doug. That has to be the most poetic description of cutting a rock I have ever read. I use a knockoff Chinese blade (at 10.00 each) with has a kerf of .0012 and water. I was concerned with the blade quality the first time I purchased one, but over all they seem to hold up well for the price. I can cut everything from soft opal to rather hard hickoryite to small geodes, and the blade lasts as long as a 30.00 MK blade. I don't use a jig/vise, I cut with my hands. Same thing on the grinder/polisher, I use my hand, no dop sticks. Your answer certainly covers all bases. It just occurred to me that since I manage geodes on the 10 blade, then a small NWA should be ok. I guess the best way to find out is just go ahead and do it. ONE THOUGHT - Why distilled water? I always use tap. Walter L. Newton 1400 Utah Street #101 Golden, Co 80401 Home 303-279-3046 Cell 303-906-9653 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mohr's value for stoney meteorites
Hi I'm new to the list and new to collecting meteorites. I have a number of hobbies but I've never seen a hobby who strives to keep things as honest as possible. I have purchased all of my collection from Ebay sales, and I must admit, the IMCA members are really a good bunch of sellers to be dealing with. Kudo's to you all. My question. I have about 500 gr of NWA's, complete meteorites. I cut and polish stones and use a 6in diamond trim saw for my work. The trim saw is rated to about a 6.5 Mohr's. What is the appox. Mohr's of comman NWA's. I want to slice a few open to see what treasures may be inside, but I don't want to ruin a 25 blade doing it. Walter L. Newton 1400 Utah Street #101 Golden, Co 80401 Home 303-279-3046 Cell 303-906-9653 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
