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Greetings,

Here is a better link to my items.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/183781924@N06/albums/72177720296265263

--AL Mitterling

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[meteorite-list] Ad #1: Mitterling Meteorites January Sales List (Tucson Show)

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Mitterling Meteorite Offerings January, 2022
Selling Meteorite Specimens for over 33 Years!
(574-453-7285) Best Calling Times 09:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. MDT.
I'm near phone during the week of an offering. I will be at Tucson
Gem Show February 1st to 13th in order to meet up with people.

Greetings,
I  take Visa/Mastercard & a few other types of cards. (let me know what you
have. Checks, cashier checks and money orders

I will consider reasonable offers on any of the specimens, except  
those marked firm.

Sincerely --AL Mitterling - Mitterling Meteorites - Email:mittmet51atgmail.com
Photos can be found at this link:  
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Note: put mouse over specimens to see names on color online catalog.  
Click to enlarge.



Meteorites For Sale

Allegan, Mi Fell July 10, 1899 8am. 31.75kg Ordinary high-iron  
(olivine-bronzite) chondrite [H5, S1, W0] After detonations, a single  
stone fell. Total iron (28.5 wt%) and olivine composition (~Fa18) are  
consistent with those of ordinary H chondrites. Most of the mass has  
been held at the U.S. National Museum.


.67 gram Price: $95


Esquel, ArgentinaClass: Pal

Found: 1951 Class: Pallasite A single mass of 1500 Kg was found and  
later purchased by Robert Haag.

132.5 gramsPart Slice $ - Sold



New Orleans, LA New Orleans, Louisiana USA Fell 2003 September 23rd at  
about 16:05 hrs (CST)Ordinary chondrite (H5) On the afternoon of  
September 23rd 2003, a meteorite crashed through the two-story home of  
Ray and Judy Fausset, who were not at home at the time. Neighbors said  
that they heard a "terrific noise."  Two observations of a fireball  
were recorded. The main mass of the meteorite was found in the crawl  
space under the house. Powdery meteorite debris and fragments were  
found along the penetration path throughout the house. A total mass of  
19.256 kg was recovered from the Fausset house, the three largest  
fragments weighing 2966 g, 1292 g and 1001 g. Some additional material  
(~100 g) was also recovered in the surrounding neighborhood. The  
meteorite has a light grey matrix with a black fusion crust, and very  
friable. Abundant metal and troilite are visible on broken surfaces,  
as well as some thin (mm-thick) impact melt veins.

Weight 10.4 gm  Price $1,800.00 OBRO

Portales Valley, NM This is a slice with metal veins! Portales Fell  
June 13th, 1998 at 7:45 a.m. Class: H6 and one of the most unique  
falls of recent times. After detonations were heard and smoky trails  
seen in the sky, a shower of meteorites landed near Portales, New  
Mexico. 53 objects have been recovered, with a total mass of 71.4 kg.  
The largest pieces weighed 16.5 kg. Speculation that some of the  
meteorites were hot from the fall or heated by the hot Sun still exist  
today. Possible orientation of the fall might account for possible  
heat generation of specimens.

Specimen weight  48 gm Price: $ - Sold

Johnstown, CO. Slice  Class: Diogenite 1/4 slice 9.2 grams with about  
an inch long of black fusion crust on natural outside surface. This  
fall interrupted a funeral that was taking place and part of the fall  
landed on the outside of the church.

Price: $  OBRO - Sold

Juvinas, France Fell: June 15th, 1821 - This is a monomict breccia of  
the eucrite group. Eucrites falls and finds are the fairly common.  
Eucrites are believed to be, and most likely are from the surface of  
Asteroid Vesta. Vesta was the fourth asteroid ever discovered in the  
year 1807. Crusted on 100% of edges.


6.7 gm  $970.00 no crust

Jilin, China Class: H5
Fall Details: At about 1500 hr on 8 March 1976 a red fireball moving  
SW was sighted by townspeople of Hsinglung. During the flight there  
were several explosions and in the last stages of flight three  
distinct fireballs were observed. The meteorite fragments were  
scattered along an E-W trending strewnfield with the largest mass  
recovered at 44°03'N., 126°10'E. (MetBul)


16.8 grams   Price $500.00

Holbrook, Az Class: L6
Holbrook is a famous meteorite fall,  Holbrook fell in on the 19 July  
1912. The fall was heard by many people with multiple explosions. A  
loud blast, followed by smaller explosions which lasted roughly a  
couple of minutes, in the early evening. Many stones fell in a large  
strewnfield along the Santa Fe railway line, extending for at least 6  
miles to the eastern part of the town of Holbrook. Many of the  
fragments were recovered around the Aztec railway yard. More than  
14,000 fragments from this fall have been recovered and fragments are  
often recovered to this day.  200 grams   Price: $ (has museum  
number) Sold



D'Orbigny Buenos Aires Prov. Part Slice (1 1/8 X 3/4 X 1/8 inches)  
Shows interesting green/gray matrix of this rare angrite. A 16.55 kg  
stone, mostly covered with dark gray fusion crust, was found in a corn  
field after a farmer hit it with a plow. Shows unique 

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoritical Bulletin Main Mass photos

[almitt2--- via Meteorite-list]

 Hi Marcin and others,

I also don't like any of the social media groups and if dealers,
collectors and buyers want to know what I am selling they have to come
here or to me. My problem is our meteorite community keeps moving
things around (probably for commercial reasons) rather than actually
having a consistent center to simply discuss meteorites.

 So my vote is to have discussions here. I'd like to pledge some more
commitment to posting here once in a while (one or two times per
month?). Also if we can put our petty differences aside and simply
discuss meteorites, we can have an enjoyable forum here. We don't have
to always agree or disagree, but respectful discussion can go a long
way to bringing more people into the hobby, unlike the past which drove
people away.f

My two chondrules.

 --AL Mitterling

 Quoting Marcin Cimala - POLANDMET via Meteorite-list
:


Hello list
I see there is only discusion about Pictures of the day :) Is this
list dead ?
Come to the Facebook peoples, it dont bite. Meteorite group,
Polandmet Meteorites group and many other very valuable groups with
alot info about meteorites and thousand of users.

I have started in Meteorites group discusion that every new
classification should include few photos of specimen. Not in
Encyclopedia of Meteorites but reference photos submited with
classification and provided by specimen/main mass holder.

When Im sending type specimen to the lab I also need to send them few
photos of entire mass wirth scale cube and also photo of cut surface,
slice. This will give every meteorite his "face", idea what is NWA
12123214 and if slice I just bough look like reference photo.

Every time there is Met Bull update there are many rare specimens but
they stay only as number. Sometimes we can find them on ebay or
search name in Google we can find specimens in someone website. But
this really should look like that ? We have 2020, every morocan in
the desert have now smartphone with high quality camera. I get their
photos every hour. Photos of incredible specimen. But they can be
seen only by few of us. Why not for everyone and forever? Most
dealers who submit big ammount of specimens in Met Bull sell online
so it is not a problem to require some representative photos of
specimen or the biggest mass. You dont have good camera ? Whats the
problem? You can find 10 friends with Canon, Nikon or new Iphone to
prepare requested pictures the same as You collect all requested
informations about Your specimen like date of find, TKW, place of
find etc.

I realy dont see a problem. This need only some discusion and some good will

-[ MARCIN CIMALA ][ +48 793567667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)polandmet.com
[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]



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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about illustration of the structures in iron meteorites

[almitt2--- via Meteorite-list]

 Hi Paolo Conte,

 I would suggest the Handbook of Iron Meteorites.

 Here is a PDF but don't know if they have the graphics in it.


https://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/bitstream/10524/33757/5/vol1-pre%28LO%29.pdf


https://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/bitstream/handle/10524/35664/vol2-Camp-CanyC(LO).pdf

 https://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/bitstream/10524/35860/1/vol3-apre.pdf

 Best!

 --AL Mitterling

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 Quoting PAOLO CONTE via Meteorite-list :


Hello Listers

Does anyone know a book or article that graphically illustrates with
drawings (1) the arrangement of taenite and kamacite in metallic meteorites
and (2) the disposition of the Neumann lines with respect to the crystal
lattice of ataxites or coarsest octahedrites?  I never found anything. Only
words that leave little to imagine.

Thanks for your help.

Paolo Conte (IMCA #6037)




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[meteorite-list] AD4: October Meteorite Offerings

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Mitterling Meteorite Offerings October 2019   (Oct. 11th to Oct. 18th)

Selling Meteorite Specimens for over 31 Years!
(574-453-7285) Best Calling Times 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. EST.

I'm near the phone during the week of an offering.

Greetings,

I  take Visa/Mastercard & a few other types of cards, checks & money
orders. I will consider reasonable offers on any of the specimens, except
those marked firm.

Sincerely --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites


https://www.flickr.com/photos/183781924@N06/albums/72157711199010018
(For Photos of Specimens)


Items for sale


Ghubara, Oman - Class: L5 Whole Specimen  649.7 gm (unusual to see a
whole specimen)  Found on the surface of the desert. Stones are fresh
internally and this fall had a fresh fusion crust. The fall was not
collected and left to weather. Wind and sand have blasted the crust
off on exposed surfaces, except where they were buried in the ground. 
Price: $650.00


Ghubara Chunk, This comes from a larger specimen I had at one time. I
took slices off itand sold most slices. This piece has a nice
inclusion in it. It has a dimple from cutting but don't want to loose
the nice inclusion so I have not lapped it out. Nice outside
weathered/tektured crust on this piece. Has not experienced any major
oxidation as some pieces have.  Weight: 815 grams  Price $995.00

Allende, Mexico (CV3) Large Slice with 6.5 inches crust 101.6 grams 
10.31 square inches (2 3/4 X 3 3/4 X 1/4 inch) with nice chodrules and
CAI's (one large one) Slice has been studied and a rectangular dark
spot (about a square inch in area) where probe work was done. Came
from the King Collection of Meteorites. $1,500.00

Allende Whole 67.8 gm. (1 7/8 X 1.5 X 1.3 inches) 60 - 65 % crusted
$700.00

Theil Mtns Pallasite from Antarctica. I am offering a 5.1 gram part
slice in a nice raker display. Very hard to find this material. This
is the last sizable piece of this material I have. Price
$2,100.00

I also have some smaller part slice specimens of Theil Mtns. 1.46 gm, 
.9 gm, .49 gm, & .25 gm @ $450/gram


 Campo de Ceilo This is an uncleaned specimen with natural patina.
Shows nice thumb printing and is a reasonable size specimen. ( 4.5
X3.5 X 2 ) inches  

 Weight 2411 gm (5.3 lbs)  Price: $1,500.00
Odessa Whole This is a nice whole specimen I have had for some time.
Has some nice character on the outside.   1682 gms $1800 OBRO

Toluca, Mexico Iron 17lbs    $4,500   OBRO  (7718 grams)  This is a
nice whole specimen and has been in my personal collection for 30
years.

Georgetown, Australia (iron) Found in 1988 RARE IIICD iron, now
regrouped as IAB-ung. This meteorite was analyzed by Choi et al.
(1995) and subsequently listed in the Catalog of Meteorites as an
anomalous IIICD iron with silicate inclusions (it has fantastic
troilite). It was later analyzedby Wasson who classified it as a “solo
iron related to IAB.” The name “Georgetown (iron)” is now recognized as
official by the Meteorite Nomenclature Committee. J. T. Wasson )
reports that Georgetown (iron) was found an unknown distance from
Georgetown,  Queensland, Australia, by a gold prospector with a metal
detector.

Weight 26.2 gm $1,500

Gujba Yobe, Nigeria Fell 1984 April 3, 18:30 local time Class:
Bencubbin-like meteorite. A conical meteorite fell in a corn field
near the village of Bogga Dingare after a bright fireball was
witnessed moving west to east and an explosion was heard. The local
people hammered the meteorite into many pieces, and most of the
material was dispersed. The original mass is unknown, although
secondhand reports indicate that it had a volume of ~20 000 cm3 and
thus a mass of - 100 kg. Material that almost certainly came from this
fall has been sold in the last few years elsewhere in Nigeria, with
claims that the specimens were new finds. Weight: 68.9 grams  Price $3,800

D'Orbigny Buenos Aires Prov. Part Slice (1 1/8 X 3/4 X 1/8 inches)
Shows interesting green/gray matrix of this rare angrite. Weight 3.84
gm  $1000.00 or best reasonable offer.

NWA 801 CR-2 - 8.9 gram with cut face two sides with outside oxidized
crust. Nice chondrules.   Price: $200.00

Seymchan, Russia part slice 106.5 gm 12.375 square inches (2.75 X 4.5
X 1/8 inch) Nice piece with lots of yellow crystals through out the 
specimen and a silver band running on one fourth of the side (see 
picture to appreciate it). $1,550.00


Seymchan, Russia part slice 40.0 grams, over 4 square inches (2.75 X
1.5 X 1/8 inches)
Nice specimen that resembles a fish or maybe a space shuttle. $600.00

Millbillillie, Australia Whole Stone 360 grams 100% fusion crust
showing half black/half orange clay crust. $3,500 firm. (this is a
super nice specimen showing flow line features!)

Thuathe, Lesotho (H4/5) Fell: July 21, 2002. I have about 7 slices of
this material from 7 gm to 11 plus grams. An interesting fall seen
traveling east to west over Lesotho before the bolide exploded. Dust
trails were seen from the fall and a very loud 

[meteorite-list] AD3: September Meteorite Offerings

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Mitterling Meteorite Offerings September 6th to 14th, 2019
Selling Meteorite Specimens for 31 Years!

(574-453-7285) Best Calling Times 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. EST. I'm near 
phone during the week of an offering.


Greetings,

I  take Visa/Mastercard & a few other types of cards. I will consider 
reasonable offers on any of the specimens, except

those marked firm.

Sincerely --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites

https://www.flickr.com/photos/183781924@N06/   
(For Photos of Specimens)

Items for sale

Portales Valley, NM This is a slice with metal veins! 48 gm. Portales
Fell June 13th, 1998 at 7:45 a.m. Class: H6 and one of the most unique
falls of recent times. After detonations were heard and smoky trails
seen in the sky, a shower of meteorites landed near Portales, New
Mexico. 53 objects have been recovered, with a total mass of 71.4 kg.
The largest pieces weighed 16.5 kg  Price: $1,500

Gibeon, Namibia Found: 1836  Class: IVA This is a unique slice
showing a bending of the internal structure, either from formation or
possibly an impact event on the area. This also shows a great pattern
in other parts of the structure. It would be a great piece to add to
your Gibeon slice collection or for your first slice. 280.5 gm   $800

NWA 1430 (TATA) Found: 2001 Class: IIIAB This is a thin half slice
weighing 349 gm with super good surface area. Found in Morocco. Irons
have been fairly rare coming out of the NWA region. No doubt they were
used for artifacts over the years. This slice has a nice widmanstatten
pattern ranging from finer to medium over the length of the slice. 
Price $1200

Bilanga, Burkina-Faso (crusted)  Fell: October 27, 1999 Weight: 6.4
grams Class: diogenite    Price: $495

Lost City, Oklahoma Fell: January 3rd, 1970 at 20:14 hours Class: H5
This is the historical fall of a meteorite recorded by the Pairie
Network and the ability to track down the landing site within a square
mile. This was the ten year effort to attempt to record a fall and to
figure the origin of where meteorites were coming from in our solar
system! Super thin slice with good surface area 6.7 grams  $1995
(pretty firm)

Johnstown, CO. Slice  Class: Diogenite 1/4 slice 9.2 grams with about
an inch of black fusion crust on natural outside surface. This fall
interrupted a funeral that was taking place and part of the fall
landed on the outside of the church.
Price: $1,400

Pasamonte, New Mexico Achondrite (Eucrite)  7.4 grams   Fell: March
24, 1933 Not too much of this material floating around the collecting
circuit. Nice specimen with Crust.  $5,350.00

Toluca 17lbs    $4,500   OBRO  (7718 grams)  This is a nice whole
specimen and has been in my personal collection for 30 years.

Odessa Slices, End Piece and whole

Slices: 168.6 gm, 241.1 gm, 290 gm, 292.8 gm, 323.2 gm, 349.4 ($2 per
gram)
Endpiece 1579.4 gm   ($1.50/gram) or make me an offer.

Odessa Whole Individual 1682 gms $2000 OBO

Millbillillie, Australia Whole Stone 360 grams 100% fusion crust
showing half black/half orange clay crust. $3,000 firm. (this is a
super nice specimen showing flow line features!)

Park Forest, IL Fell: 2003 Class: L5  This is a nice slice of this
fall showing a couple of different lithographs in the interior. This
slice is one I cut and acquired in Park Forest.                       
                       
Weight is 22.9 grams                 $700.00

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Re: [meteorite-list] AD#2: Meteorite Sales List June

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 Here are two emails I can be reached at:

 almitt2@localnet. com

 Mittmet51@Gmail. com

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Re: [meteorite-list] AD#2: Meteorite Sales List June

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Here are two emails I can be reach at:

almitt2@localnet. com

Mittmet51@gmail. com

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[meteorite-list] AD#2: Meteorite Sales List June

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I am offering the following specimens for sale. Please contact me off 
list. The Theil Mtns I am offering is a 11 gram piece whole. If I

don't get any offers, I will cut this into 2 gram specimens and place
in a nice display ryker with Information card. Only 3 displays will be made!

Contact me for photos of specimens. Visa/Mastercard excepted, checks
or money orders. Free shipping USA. Overseas shipping rates will apply
WITH insurance.

Plymouth, Indiana $7,000 (45 gm good surface area!) 5 inches X 2 inches

NWA11273 Lunar = $760 (7.58 gms)

Theil Mountains, Antartica 11 gram specimen ($4,500) OBRO
2 gram specimen in Ryker Display $895.00 each (will be cut if 11 gm
doesn't sell)

Odessa Slices, End Piece and 1 whole specimen

Slices: 168.6 gm, 241.1 gm, 290 gm, 292.8 gm, 323.2 gm, 349.4 ($2 per gram)
Endpiece 1579.4 gm   ($1.50/gram)

Odessa Whole 1682 gms $2500
Toluca 17lbs    $5,995 (7718 grams) OBRO

Admire   Ryker display 32.7 Part Slice $65
Miflin, WI    Ryker Display .08 gm $70
Summervill Pallasite $95 & $85 Ryker Display (5 and 6.15 grams)

Many Thanks!

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites Selling Meteorites for over 30 years!


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Re: [meteorite-list] Two million-year long meteorite record found in Atacama Desert, Chile

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Greetings,

From what they found it would indicate a fall of one meteorite every 
4,504 years on a square kilometer. Only problem I see with this, would 
be, there has to be a quantity of meteorites buried beneath the desert 
below their findings. So the rate could be several times higher. Some 
specimens that fell in the area at that time may have come down in dust 
as well leaving no trace.

Very interesting research none the less.
--AL MitterlingMitterling Meteorites

  Quoting Paul via Meteorite-list :


Oldest meteorite collection on Earth found in one
of the driest places, Geological Society of America
Sciencedaily, May 23, 2019
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190523130200.htm

Earth's Oldest Meteorite Collection Just Found
??in the Driest Place on the Planet
By Brandon Specktor, May 24, 2019
https://www.livescience.com/65558-atacama-desert-has-meteors-for-days.html

The paper is:

A. Drouard, J. Gattacceca, A. Hutzler, P. Rochette, R.
Braucher, D. Bourl??s, ASTER Team, M. Gounelle, A.
Morbidelli, V. Debaille, M. Van Ginneken, M.
??Valenzuela, Y. Quesnel, R. Martinez. The meteorite
flux of the past 2 m.y. recorded in the Atacama
Desert. Geology, May 22, 2019. Open Access
https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article/570818/the-meteorite-flux-of-the-past-2-m-y-recorded-in
https://arxiv.org/abs/1904.12644

Yours,

Paul H.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Two million-year long meteorite record found in Atacama Desert, Chile

[almitt2--- via Meteorite-list]

Greetings,

From what they found it would indicate a fall of one meteorite every
4,504 years on a square kilometer. Only problem I see with this, would
be, there has to be a quantity of meteorites buried beneath the desert
below their findings. So the rate could be several times higher. Some
specimens that fell in the area at that time may have come down in
dust as well leaving no trace.

Very interesting research none the less.

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites




  Quoting Paul via Meteorite-list
:


Oldest meteorite collection on Earth found in one
of the driest places, Geological Society of America
Sciencedaily, May 23, 2019
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190523130200.htm

Earth's Oldest Meteorite Collection Just Found
??in the Driest Place on the Planet
By Brandon Specktor, May 24, 2019


https://www.livescience.com/65558-atacama-desert-has-meteors-for-days.html


The paper is:

A. Drouard, J. Gattacceca, A. Hutzler, P. Rochette, R.
Braucher, D. Bourl??s, ASTER Team, M. Gounelle, A.
Morbidelli, V. Debaille, M. Van Ginneken, M.
??Valenzuela, Y. Quesnel, R. Martinez. The meteorite
flux of the past 2 m.y. recorded in the Atacama
Desert. Geology, May 22, 2019. Open Access


https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article/570818/the-meteorite-flux-of-the-past-2-m-y-recorded-in

https://arxiv.org/abs/1904.12644

Yours,

Paul H.



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Re: [meteorite-list] Eugene Shoemaker Responsible for TV Coverage of Apollo 11 Moon Walk

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 Hi Dan and all,

 On one of the other Apollo missions, I had received some of the
different times that the Apollo service module and command module would
be over the terminator and possibly visible. I had a fairly good
telescope at that time and looked and was able to see what appeared to
be a dot of very faint light crossing over so the contrast was good. As
the space craft continued orbit it would disappear in the shadow of the
moon.

 Best Regards!

 --AL Mitterling

 Quoting DAN :




I well remember sitting with my family as a teenager while watching
the first moon landing. During Apollo 8's first trip to the moon
there were rumors that one would be able to see the craft crossing
the moon's terminator. I peered through my Tasco refractor in vain,
while entranced by the reality that astronauts were orbiting out
there.Special times.
DAN 



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 Original message 
From: almitt2--- via Meteorite-list 
Date: 5/13/19  11:58 AM  (GMT-05:00)
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Eugene Shoemaker Responsible for TV



        Coverage        of Apollo 11 Moon Walk

Greetings Paul and all,

Couldn't read the whole article as there were ads popping up and
keeping me from doing so but read a bit of the info there before I
gave up.

Might have been present in the article but Eugene Shoemaker helped
train the Apollo Astronauts at Meteor Crater so they would have
knowledge of what too look for on the lunar surface. He was a
candidate for the Apollo Program to be a geologist that would travel
to the moon. Due to an aliment he was disqualified. I'm sure everyone
knows that he was the first to finally get the attention of human kind
that an impact on Earth could be devastating after he and his wife
along with David Levy discovered Shoemaker/Levy 9 which impacted
Jupiter. I spent just a little time with him at the Texas Star Party
when I went some years back and before his death.

The televising of the first Apollo Moon landing was a great thing. I
was a teenager and enjoying watching anything about it I could. The TV
images weren't crystal clear but were enough for us see what was going
on, watching the astronauts climbing down the ladder to the lunar
surface. Many people viewed this as a stunt which it was not. It was a
highly calculated scientific endeavor with good odds. The fact it was
repeated successfully 6 times and almost 7 times with the help of many
talent individuals on the ground supporting the astronauts, showed it
was not a stunt. I made it down to the Apollo 17 launch (which was a
night launch) and was able to see the last Apollo Moon mission off
before returning to school. Hard to believe that the Apollo 11 landing
has almost been 50 years now. After the trip, NASA took some of the
Moon samples and encased them in a plastic for display for viewing by
people all over the Earth. I went to see a display shortly after the
trip in South Bend, Indiana. Still have the picture of the specimen.
It was a great era!
Best to all!

--AL Mitterling

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Re: [meteorite-list] Eugene Shoemaker Responsible for TV Coverage of Apollo 11 Moon Walk

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Greetings Paul and all,

Couldn't read the whole article as there were ads popping up and
keeping me from doing so but read a bit of the info there before I
gave up.

Might have been present in the article but Eugene Shoemaker helped
train the Apollo Astronauts at Meteor Crater so they would have
knowledge of what too look for on the lunar surface. He was a
candidate for the Apollo Program to be a geologist that would travel
to the moon. Due to an aliment he was disqualified. I'm sure everyone
knows that he was the first to finally get the attention of human kind
that an impact on Earth could be devastating after he and his wife
along with David Levy discovered Shoemaker/Levy 9 which impacted
Jupiter. I spent just a little time with him at the Texas Star Party
when I went some years back and before his death.

The televising of the first Apollo Moon landing was a great thing. I
was a teenager and enjoying watching anything about it I could. The TV
images weren't crystal clear but were enough for us see what was going
on, watching the astronauts climbing down the ladder to the lunar
surface. Many people viewed this as a stunt which it was not. It was a
highly calculated scientific endeavor with good odds. The fact it was
repeated successfully 6 times and almost 7 times with the help of many
talent individuals on the ground supporting the astronauts, showed it
was not a stunt. I made it down to the Apollo 17 launch (which was a
night launch) and was able to see the last Apollo Moon mission off
before returning to school. Hard to believe that the Apollo 11 landing
has almost been 50 years now. After the trip, NASA took some of the
Moon samples and encased them in a plastic for display for viewing by
people all over the Earth. I went to see a display shortly after the
trip in South Bend, Indiana. Still have the picture of the specimen.
It was a great era!
Best to all!

--AL Mitterling

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Re: [meteorite-list] Educational presentations at Tucson?

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Hi Michael

I think your idea has merit but Doug points out some good points. What 
I would suggest if you were able to arrange this, first, I'd have 
presentations and talks more during the evenings after dinner time. 
Second, if you were to have a list of topics that were going to be 
addressed along with a time line, well ahead of the Tucson Show, so 
people could attend areas they were interested in. Maybe post the 
topics a week ahead of time before the show and post them again just 
before and during the show, I think you would get a steady group of 
people that would attend.


Things like this cost money, but a fee to cover and off set costs would 
be fine as long as it wasn't too much or you would loose people. 
Perhaps a fee for each talk people want to attend. You might also offer 
some refreshments for a modest fee to off set the costs. I'd see if you 
couldn't get a hotel to donate a room for the talks. This could be all 
or part of the cost of the meeting room.


I wouldn't appreciate dealers making an info commercial but if they 
gave solid science type of program, then fine. I have organized sizable 
conventions before (over 300 attendees) and it can be a lot of work but 
there is a lot of great scientist that are in the area or attend and I 
am sure that some of them would be glad to offer informative talks for 
the troops during the show. Good luck and hope you are able to succeed! 
Best!


--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites


Quoting Michael Doran via Meteorite-list
:

In my previous life as a systems librarian at a university, I 
regularly attended conferences and user group meetings.  An

integral

aspect of these conferences/meetings were educational presentations



done by attendees. It occurred to me that presentations are

something

that might enhance the experience of attending the Tucson Show.  

For example, while I know that there's nothing I can teach the old 
hands, there are a number of things I'm figuring out as a newbie

that

I think would be of interest to other newbies.  Here are examples

of

presentations I would be willing to do, if the opportunity

presented

itself:

1) Meteorite collection development plans: what they are and why

you

should have one

2) Meteorite storage and display solutions for small (< 40

specimen)

collections

And as an *attendee* I would really be interested in presentations 
from people doing actual meteorite science about the work they are 
doing (geared towards an educated lay audience).  Also, I would be 
interested in presentations from dealers about various aspects of 
meteorite acquisition, classification, and preparation.


To make this work would require:

A meeting room
--
A meeting room at one of the main meteorite venues at the Tucson

Show

that for certain times/days could be devoted to presentations.  The


room would need to have a basic presentation set-up: a speaker's 
table and/or podium with a way to connect a computer to a projector



and chairs for the audience.  The Tucson show lasts two weeks, but

I

would anticipate that the presentations part would only be for one

or

maybe two days.

Organization

Someone to:
- Put out a call for presenters, and
- Based on response, determine how many time slots were needed, and
- Assign presentations to time slots in schedule and notify

presenters, and

- Put out a presentation schedule with titles/abstracts prior to

Tucson show

- Prepare meeting room for presentations
- Assist presenters with use of meeting room equipment

While the organization of this could be done by volunteers (I would


be willing to volunteer my time), reserving a meeting room would 
incur a cost.  Perhaps the IMCA would have funds in their budget to


subsidize this and would consider taking this on. Another option 
would be to charge a nominal registration fee to attend this 
"seminar" portion of the show.  Again, I think this would only last

a

day or maybe two.

If you think this idea has merit, I have some questions for you...

As an attendee, what topics in meteoritics and/or meteorite 
collecting would you be interested in learning about?


Would you consider being a presenter?  If so, what topic(s) would

you

consider doing a presentation on?

Would you be willing to pay a registration fee to attend a short 
meteoritics/meteorite collecting seminar during the Tucson show?


If you would rather respond directly to me rather than the list, I 
can compile/summarize those responses for the list.


Thank you,

-- Michael

ps I've spent a fair amount of time going through the Meteorite 
Central list archive.  I've not seen any proposals like this, but 
it's possible I have missed those threads.  If so, I would

appreciate

hearing about any "lessons learned" from previous attempts.

Michael Doran
Fort Worth, TX
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Greetings,

I will be in Tucson from February 2nd to February 10th. I can be found 
at the Days Inn room 134 (Blaine Reed's Room). Some of my items will be 
on display there.


Some of the items I will have with me:

*Odessa, Texas Slices 300 to 400 gram range & end piece

*Taza Whole 1136.0 gm  
*Georgetown   26.2 gm
*Passamonte, NM7.5 gm  
*Gujba68.9 gm
*Millillbillillie, Aust. 360.0 gm 100% crust
   *Wells, Tx
*Claxton, GA2 - .41 gm macros
*Tagish Lake.138 gm  
*Lost City, OK 6.7 gm   
 Macros  .98 & .48 gm  
*Moss 1.18 gm  
*Cape York   245.6 gm  rectangular   *Theil 
Mountains, Ant  11.0 gm  display  *D'Orbigny, 
Arg.3.8 gm  small ryker*Park Forest, IL 
  23.0 gm  small ryker *Johnstown, Co  
9.2 gm  small ryker*Porttales Valley, NN   
   48   gm  small ryker*Bilanga6.4 
gm  small ryker *Moorabie, Aust.4   gm  
small ryker *Kapoeta1.04 gm
*Sahara 95097   3,800.0 gm  
*Michigan Meteorite


Larger Iron Meteorites

*Odessa, TX  1680gm 
*Odessa, TX (large slices & end piece)



*Canyon Diablo  26.2 lbs  
*Toluca, Mexico 17.0 lbs


Many other specimens

I will be away from the computer during the day until I get in at night.
I can be reached at 574-453-7285 for appointment to see items. I am 
eager to deal so I hope to get one or several of my nice specimens in 
your collection.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Pictures of thieves

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Hi Blake and all,

I've been scrutinizing these pics. I am pretty sure these people
came in the room when I was in there at one time. I remember the blue
shirt guy and the women. I might remember the gray shirt guy. So they
may have picked up some other items and it might be worth checking out
other parts of the video at a time when I was there. Best wishes all
(except to the thieves)!

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites



  Quoting Blake via Meteorite-list
:


To answer a couple issues,

Yes the gal in the picture was with the guy who stole the Sikhote.

I

believe that they were working with the guy in the blue shirt. In

the
video it seems to me that he was blocking Blaine's view so the guy 
could take the Sikhote. The gal didn't come into the picture until 
after he took it and then they switched places (guy and gal) so he 
could take the Mount Dooling. I'm pretty sure the gal was in on it.



They came into the room as a couple and I doubt that he could end

up

showing to her without her knowing how he got it.

My ability to send the video is limited by my server. I re-did the 
clip (made it shorter) so I can send it (20MB). I wanted to make

sure

that it was in full 1080 resolution. The Mount Dooling was behind

the
necklace display so the only way you can tell he took it is seeing 
him reach for it then you have to zoom in and single step as he

pulls
his hand back. Then you can see an end of the rock sticking out of 
his hand as he puts it in his pocket in a couple frames.


Windows 10 no longer has movie maker. A lot of people are

complaining

about that. You have to down load a movie editor. I think there is

a
version of movie maker available but I doubt that this little 
tablet/laptop could handle it well. My old (really old) XP machine 
does have it but I doubt that it could handle it well either. I do 
have a clip that I can send from my system but then it becomes a 
question of what the receiver's server can handle (usually 10MB).


Blake



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Re: [meteorite-list] Thieves

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Dear Rafael,

Perhaps it's o.k. with you if someone steals a meteorite, but it
isn't with me. Being in the business for 30 years and a close friend
of Blaine Reed and seeing on video how people work, I think my
assessment is just fine and I'll make a judgement call if I so desire.

Seems to me that maybe you have guilty feelings about something. If
anything I'd say you are a much bigger crybaby than me. So why don't
you keep your crying to yourself!

--AL Mitterling
 Mitterling Meteorites


 Quoting Rafael Navarro :


Stop being a crybaby.
You say well: "It looks like to me ..." because that photo does not prove
anything, you can get a sued for defamation.
If you want I send you the $ 2 USD, which costs that meteorite, but stops
be crying.

Rafael





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Re: [meteorite-list] Pictures of thieves

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 Hi,

 It looks like to me that the woman next to the guy in gray was
blocking in order for him to steal the specimen. So perhaps we should
be looking for her as well.

 --AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

 Quoting Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10209607738389076=a.326549153494


Mendy Ouzillou




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Re: [meteorite-list] "The rock that fell to Earth" (How a meteorite hunter?s obsession took him from the mountains of Colorado, to the Bundy Ranch, and eventually landed him in jail)

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Hi Tom,

If you will read Carl Esparza's post of June 25th at 8:28 p.m. you will 
see he has already posted on the subject you just posted on but never 
hurts to bring this subject up several times for all to see and to find 
out just how obsessed some people can be on meteorwrongs. Best!


--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites



Quoting Tommy via Meteorite-list
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https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/25/17492902/meteorite-hunting-authentication-steven-curry-montrose-colorado


Regards!

Tom

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Re: [meteorite-list] Favorite Nininger stories?

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 Hi Mark,

 I highly recommend you look at the Nininger Moments Here:

 https://www.meteorite.com/topics/nininger/

 There should be some good material for you at that location.

--AL Mittelring


  Quoting Mark Hammergren via Meteorite-list
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I'm giving a brief presentation tomorrow to museum staff members

about

Harvey Nininger. Do any of you have any favorite Nininger anecdotes
you'd like to share? Thanks!
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Re: [meteorite-list] The top 60 meteorites

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Hi Mendy and all,

Good list for sure. Some of those are hard to get. Just a note that I
have listed in the past 4 months, or will list about 35 our of the 60.

Easy to say, but any Nininger item would be a great part of any
collection. Even if you only have one Nininger Item.

Happy collecting!

--AL MitterlingMitterling Meteorites

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[meteorite-list] AD: Meteorite For Sale

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Mitterling Meteorite Offerings

Greetings,

Here is my current listing of specimens for sale.

I don't like selling on eBay because I have to raise the prices about
13% higher in order to re-coup the cost of selling there and Paypal. I
take Visa/Mastercard.

I will consider reasonable offers on any of the specimens, except
those marked firm. I'd like to raise some money for other projects I
am working on.

Sincerely --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites


Odessa, Tx specimen, weight is 20.8 lbs. I had offered this specimen
in the past for $9,000. Right now priced for $7,500

The Canyon Diablo is 11.9 kg (26.2 lbs) Price in the past was $12,000
Price now for $9,500.

I have an Sikhote-Alin endpiece that shows the crystal structure (not
common) weight is 2,500 grams Price is $5,500. Nice outside structure.

I have a Sahara classified stone H5 (no. 97095)  3,800 grams $4,000

NWA 869 40.8 lbs specimen (one of the large ones) 18,500 grams
$11,000

Millbillillie, Australia 360 grams $4,500 firm. (this is a super nice
specimen!) Whole stone with black fusion crust one side.

Thiel Mountains Pallasite  Found: 1962 - 11 grams. This is an item I
purchased from Robert Haag quite a number of years ago now. Price is
high but if I had two or three people interested, I can cut the
specimen smaller. This is a super stable pallasite and never any
problems Comes in a nice ryker display. $4,900.00

Park Forest, IL Fell: 2003 Class: L5  This is a nice slice of this
fall showing a couple of different lithographs in the interior. This
slice is one I cut and acquired in Park
Forest.   Weight is 22.3
grams $850.00

NWA 7252 Class: CK Found before 2007. An individual stone with low
total weight of 296.1 grams. Found at the Tucson Show and has about
70% fusion crust and 30% secondary fusion crust. $40/gram
9.5 gm & 17.9 gm    $380.00  &  $716.00

NWA 1929 Morocco Class: (howardite) Found: 2003. This is a part stone
with 45% black fusion crust but has suffered natural wind erosion. 242
gm  $950.00

Maralinga, South Australia Class: CK4 This specimen was purchased
from David New long ago. Found in 1974 but wasn't recognized until
1989. A single mass of 3.38 kg was recovered.  Crusted two sides.
37.9 grams    $2840.00

Kapoeta, South Sudan Witnessed Fall: 1942 Class: Howardite specimen
weight 1.04 gram in macro mount. Has unique features and good surface
area for weight   $500.00

Juancheng, China witnessed fall February 15th, 1997 Class: H5   This
is a shower of stones that fell with one reported to have hit a  roof
and landed in a pot on a stove. This is a slice I cut. 8.25 gm full
slice with crust.  $55.00

Ghubara, Omen  Stony L5 chondrite end piece, showing nice clasts and armored
chondrules. 219.9 gm   $250.00   This specimen is super stable.

D'Orbigny, Argentina Class: Angrite 3.84 grams. Shows some nice
vesicles and course grain structure. $960.00

**You can send me an email at: mittme...@gmail.com (best!) or my old
email at: almi...@localnet.com (note some emails don't get through to
this email so best to use the gmail account.  I hope to hear from
you!**

If your not on my mailing list and wish to be on it, email so I can
put you on the listings.


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[meteorite-list] Ad: Invitation To My Meteorite Offerings

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To collectors looking for authentic, unique, outstanding and hard to 
get meteorite specimens, I will be offering up a specimen list each 
month. Please email me your name, email and address and I will put you 
on my customer list I email out. I am hoping to increase my customer 
base this year. I sell to a wide variety of collectors both big and 
small.


I have been a meteorite dealer for 30 years. I was one of the earliest 
dealers world wide. I have made my purchases from hunters, trades from 
museums or collectors with great collections and outstanding 
reputations to ensure authentic specimens. I have material from years 
back to present. Buy from an honest dealer of the past with strong 
convictions and integrity of giving customers the best material at a 
reasonable price in today's market.


Please respond to my Gmail account: mittme...@gmail.com

If you are already receiving my list no reply is necessary.

Thank-You!

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Re: [meteorite-list] newbie questions

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Hi Lloyd,

I'd recommend the book Rocks From Space by Richard Norton for general 
information and interesting read. To live the adventure of meteorite 
hunting and learn a lot about early meteorite history, find a copy of 
Find a Fallen Star by Harvey Nininger.


Meteorites from ME: Andover, Castine, Nobleborough, Searmount and NH: 
no confirm meteorites that I am aware of.


While eBay offers a lot of good meteorite sources, there is a lot of 
fraud on eBay where meteorites are concern and if you are new to 
collecting you might be taken by people wanting you to believe you will 
get an authentic meteorite at a good price.


Best to by from a well known meteorite dealer.

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites


Quoting Lloyd Alexander via Meteorite-list
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Hello,


I am new to the list and new to meteorite collecting. I have been 
rockhounding for about a year with some great times and successful 
finds.



Can you recommend some reading material to help me learn more?


I would love to know if there have been meteorites found in ME and

NH.



Besides eBay are there any recommended sites for purchasing 
credible/authentic pieces?



Thanks for your time.


Lloyd W. Alexander
Photographer, Painter, and Author
@Lloyds_Journey
http://lloydsjourney.com





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Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Blue Salt Crystals

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Hi Bernd and all,

Your right Bernd, the Camel Sweat story does go with the EL Hammami
Meteorite. No doubt other many specimens have been packed out by
camels also.

Good to see you on the list Bernd!

--AL MitterlingMitterling Meteorites



  Quoting "Bernd V. Pauli via Meteorite-list"
:


Hi Paul, AL, and List,

AL wrote:


The blue halide crystals were found early on in Zag. I believe

they

were found in other meteorites (Monahans, Tx?) but information has

a

way of finding it's way back into the public eye.


Correct! The Monahans (H5) and Zag (H3-6) meteorites are the only
meteorites known to contain *liquid* water. The water was found in
salt crystals inside the meteorites.

Monahans (1998) contains contains blue crystals of halite (NaCl)
and sylvite (KCl).*

*GIBSON Jr. E.K.  et al. (1998) Monahans (1998) H5 chondrite: An 
unusual meteorite fall with extraterrestrial halite and sylvite 
(Meteoritics 33-4, 1998, A057).


AL also wrote:


Yes, they were packed out by camel and the
camel sweat story was a part of the story.


Doesn't the camel sweat story belong to El Hammami (H5)???

Best from Germany,

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] Blue Salt Crystals

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Hi Paul and all,

The blue halide crystals were found early on in Zag. I believe they
were found in other meteorites (Monahans, Tx?) but information has a
way of finding it's way back into the public eye. Don't have
information handy right now but thought I would comment.

 Yes, they were packed out by camel and the camel sweat story was a
part of the story. Perhaps ET will comment as he brought out a number
of specimens from this fall in 1998.

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites


 Quoting Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list
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Blue Salt Crystals discovered in ZAG

No wonder my large grapefruit  sized piece started oxidizing so

rapidly.

I remember the story was that the oxidation was caused by camel

sweat

while they were being transported out of the desert.
Anyone else remember that story???
what color is camel sweat?



http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/world/meteorites-organic-matter-life/index.html


-Paul Gessler


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[meteorite-list] AD: Re: Want To Buy Large Zag or Monahans

[almitt2--- via Meteorite-list]

Greetings,

I have two riker displays of Monahans, with an image of the boys that
one of the specimens fell near and a micro specimen enclosed in the
riker. Came from the source that helped the boys get ownership of the
material.

I also have a larger Millbillillie, Australia 360 grams that has half
black crust and half clay coated crust that is nearly 100% fusion
crusted (99.98%). I also have a 22 lbs Canyon Diablo available and a
large Odessa with a face in it for sale. Contact me if interested.
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Re: [meteorite-list] RSVP Ongoing rants

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Greetings List Members,

This could be Steve Curry who is obsessed with his fake Mars
Meteorites and was proven wrong in a court of law. My guess or one of
his followers.

 --AL Mitterling

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 Quoting John Lutzon via Meteorite-list
:



OK,

Thanks Chris for the clarification on this particular issue.
Glad i'm not on their radar---oops--I am now :-)
John



Original Message -
From: "Chris Peterson via Meteorite-list" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RSVP Ongoing rants


No, this isn't spam in the usual sense. It's clearly directed

towards

meteor and meteorite people- long rants about how unfair the

meteorite

classification system is. It's somebody who is very disgrunted, or
mentally ill. Or both.

Chris

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On 8/14/2017 12:29 PM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list wrote:


Anne, Michael, et al

I've mentioned this problem for a couple of years - when this 
happened to me...
In my case, I would receive emails for aluminum siding, watches, 
food markets

etc. But all to Canadian companies. Luckily, for me, no rants or

commentary.

Mine had the name of a bonified List member as the sender.

I'll surmise that this list member's address book was hacked and

was

parceled out
either in its entirety or by the A's, B's C's etc.  Blood/ Black. 
Mine always included

a string of "J" list member addresses with it. First name/last

name

??. I did notify the original
list member that his address book appeared to have been

compromised.


Fix ? don't see how to except to block. If yours do show a List 
members name as the

sender-- I would notify them that they may have been hacked.

John



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Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger's Meteorite Museum Ruins

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Hi Karlis,
I wouldn't recommend trespassing on the property as you could be
arrested and they might even impound your vehicle (at least don't do
it until after the eclipse)  but perhaps the solution would be to
contact the property owner and request permission to simply walk
around the building to take pictures, staying well away from the ruin
for safety.
Unfortunately so many people have removed bricks for souvenirs and
selling, it has ruin the building to being dangerous to even be
around. I remember walking around the ruins and enjoying the setting
many years back.
Good luck in your pursuit and have a good eclipse.--AL
MitterlingMitterling meteorites

  Quoting "Meteoriti.LV via Meteorite-list"
:


Dear Friends,

Could somebody tell if that is possible and how to reach the Ruins

of the

old Nininger's Meteorite Museum? I heard that the road is closed

but is

there any way to visit a place?

In a few weeks time we will visit US for the great Solar Eclipse

and we

have included Barringer crater in our car trip.
I have never been there at the site so I would appreciate any

advise.

Thanks!

Best Regards,
Karlis Berzins
Meteoriti.LV





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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Meteor Noises Probed by Researchers

[almitt2--- via Meteorite-list]

 Greetings,

 I've heard sound coming from a meteor at the same time it became
visible. I always attributed it to low frequency radio waves having
seen and heard at the same time.

 Best!

 --AL Mitterling

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Re: [meteorite-list] Curiosity Just Found a Freaky Metal Meteorite on Mars

[almitt2--- via Meteorite-list]

Hi Tom and all,

Besides this find of a meteorite on Mars, some of the robot explores 
there have found other meteorites in the past. Since Mars has such a 
thin atmosphere, the meteorites don't get ablated like they do during a 
fall here on Earth. Seeing the meteorites there on Mars, they are more 
like they would have looked when they were floating around in space, a 
rougher look.


Also one robot (can't remember which) on Mars ground into some of the 
rocky material and found they very much resemble some of our Martian 
Meteorites that have landed here on Earth. Exciting stuff for sure.


--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites


Quoting Tommy via Meteorite-list
:




http://gizmodo.com/curiosity-just-found-a-freaky-metal-meteorite-on-mars-1788441834



Regards!

Tom


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Re: [meteorite-list] Annual Moon Impacts More Frequent Then Previously Estimated

[almitt2--- via Meteorite-list]

Hi Kelly,

Always appreciate your posts to the list! Thank you for sharing this resource.

--AL Mitterling

Quoting "Beatty, Kelly via Meteorite-list"
:


hi, Paul...

it's an interesting revelation that demonstrates the power of LRO's



camera. but some of the write-ups are not getting it right (e.g.

the
New Scientist story claims "A new count of the moon?s craters has 
turned up 33 per cent more than predicted." sheesh!)


if you want some context, including interviews with specialists 
beyond the press release, I recommend my S colleague Camille 
Carlisle's write-up here: https://is.gd/LxmxoZ



clear skies,
Kelly

**
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Sky & Telescope.com
617-864-7360 x22168
@NightSkyGuy


-Original Message-
From: Meteorite-list 
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul via Meteorite-list

Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:29 PM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Annual Moon Impacts More Frequent Then 
Previously Estimated


The moon has hundreds more craters than we thought Daily News, 
October 12, 2016

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2108929-the-moon-has-hundreds-more-craters-than-we-thought/


How old is our Moon? Hundreds of previously unseen craters could 
finally unlock its true age: New estimates suggest 180 craters of

at

least ten metres in diameter form each year by Liat Clark, Wired,

A facelift for the Moon every 81,000 years, October 12, 2016 
http://phys.org/news/2016-10-facelift-moon-years.html



http://phys.org/news/2016-10-reveals-lunar-surface-features-younger.html


The paper is:

Speyerer, E. J., R. Z. Povilaitis, M. S. Robinson, P. C. Thomas,

And
R. V. Wagner, 2016, Quantifying crater production and regolith 
overturn on the Moon with temporal imaging.

Nature. Vol. 538, pp. 215?218 (13 October 2016)

doi:10.1038/nature19829

http://nature.com/articles/doi:10.1038/nature19829

Yours,

Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite

[almitt2--- via Meteorite-list]

 Hi List,

 All sells of big iron meteorites of 28,000 kilos and over are now suspended!

 Ya I know, I don't like that cute joke anymore either but had to "weigh" in.

 --AL Mitterling

 Mitterling Meteorites

  Quoting Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
:


Hi,

My reading of the article, albeit through Google translate, talks about El
Chaco being reweighed and its weight being reported at  28,840 kilos. The
newly discovered meteorite weighs 30,800 kilos.

Thanks,

Peter

-Original Message-
From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
Behalf Of Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 6:05 AM
To: metlist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite

https://steemit.com/gancedo/@merlinesm/meteorite-record-the-gancedo-weighs-3
0-8-tons-and-is-the-fourth-largest-in-the-world

This article, with some great photos, lists it at 4th with 30,800kg as the
official measure.

Weighing the big ones like this and compairing them to others has always
been confusing it seems.

2nd or 4th is kkind of irrelevant in my book.  Still amazing...

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295



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On 9/13/16 at 2:01 AM, MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list wrote:


Just a journalistic failure to fact check...  The original El Chaco is

said to be 37.4 MT (37,400 kg).  They need to weigh this "Gancedo" more
accurately perhaps, but it is over 14,500 pounds more to get from the
Gancedo 30.8 MT to the El Chaco 37.4 MT:


see the recovery of the find here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7OGZpVbI6I
Best
Doug


-Original Message-
From: Rob Wesel via Meteorite-list

To: Sterling K. Webb ; meteorite-list

Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2016 1:41 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite

I have seen this in the news a few times today. Amazing find but I'm
confused.

This new find is 34 tons.

El Chaco weighs in at 37 tons and Hoba has them beat at 66.

I missing a metric conversion in reference to El Chaco?

Referencing the book
The Campo Del Cielo Meteorites, Vol. II, Chaco Guillermo Faivovich and
Nicolas Goldberg
2012
Page 45


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From: "Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list"

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:52 PM
To: 
Subject: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite

> List,
>
> A 34-ton iron has been found
> in the Campo del Cielo region
> of Argentina:
> http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/article_xinhua.aspx?id=332776
>
> The meteorite was found on
> Sept. 10 in the town of Gancedo,
> 1,085 km north of Buenos Aires,
> Mario Vesconi, president of the
> Astronomy Association of Chaco,
> told the daily newspaper Clarin."
>
> "While we hoped for weights above
> what had been registered, we did
> not expect it to exceed 30 [metric]
> tons," Vesconi noted, adding that
> "the size and weight [about 68,000
> pounds] surprised us."
>
> "The meteorite will be weighed
> again to ensure an accurate
> measurement. The largest
> meteorite ever found is Hoba,
> weighing 66 tons, in Namibia."
>
> See also:
> http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/sep/12/30-ton-meteor-discovere
> d-in-arg
> entina-at-ancient-m/
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite

[almitt2--- via Meteorite-list]

 Hi List,

 All sells of big iron meteorites of 28,000 kilos and over are now
 suspended!

 Ya I know, I don't like that cute joke anymore either but had to
 "weigh" in.

 --AL Mitterling

 Mitterling Meteorites

  Quoting Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
:


Hi,

My reading of the article, albeit through Google translate, talks

about El

Chaco being reweighed and its weight being reported at  28,840

kilos. The

newly discovered meteorite weighs 30,800 kilos.

Thanks,

Peter

-Original Message-
From: Meteorite-list

[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On

Behalf Of Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 6:05 AM
To: metlist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite



https://steemit.com/gancedo/@merlinesm/meteorite-record-the-gancedo-weighs-3

0-8-tons-and-is-the-fourth-largest-in-the-world

This article, with some great photos, lists it at 4th with 30,800kg

as the

official measure.

Weighing the big ones like this and compairing them to others has

always

been confusing it seems.

2nd or 4th is kkind of irrelevant in my book.  Still amazing...

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295



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On 9/13/16 at 2:01 AM, MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list wrote:


Just a journalistic failure to fact check...  The original El

Chaco is

said to be 37.4 MT (37,400 kg).  They need to weigh this "Gancedo"

more

accurately perhaps, but it is over 14,500 pounds more to get from

the

Gancedo 30.8 MT to the El Chaco 37.4 MT:


see the recovery of the find here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7OGZpVbI6I
Best
Doug


-Original Message-
From: Rob Wesel via Meteorite-list

To: Sterling K. Webb ;

meteorite-list


Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2016 1:41 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite

I have seen this in the news a few times today. Amazing find but

I'm

confused.

This new find is 34 tons.

El Chaco weighs in at 37 tons and Hoba has them beat at 66.

I missing a metric conversion in reference to El Chaco?

Referencing the book
The Campo Del Cielo Meteorites, Vol. II, Chaco Guillermo Faivovich

and

Nicolas Goldberg
2012
Page 45


Rob Wesel
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--
From: "Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list"

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:52 PM
To: 
Subject: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite

> List,
>
> A 34-ton iron has been found
> in the Campo del Cielo region
> of Argentina:
>

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/article_xinhua.aspx?id=332776

>
> The meteorite was found on
> Sept. 10 in the town of Gancedo,
> 1,085 km north of Buenos Aires,
> Mario Vesconi, president of the
> Astronomy Association of Chaco,
> told the daily newspaper Clarin."
>
> "While we hoped for weights above
> what had been registered, we did
> not expect it to exceed 30 [metric]
> tons," Vesconi noted, adding that
> "the size and weight [about 68,000
> pounds] surprised us."
>
> "The meteorite will be weighed
> again to ensure an accurate
> measurement. The largest
> meteorite ever found is Hoba,
> weighing 66 tons, in Namibia."
>
> See also:
>

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/sep/12/30-ton-meteor-discovere

> d-in-arg
> entina-at-ancient-m/
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] How Many Meteorites Are Hidden on Farmland?

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Quoting bill kies via Meteorite-list :


Pleasant article. Very little hype of the sort we are often inundated
with. The only thing that I found disappointing was the lack of
information pertaining to the rock/meteorite itself.

Kinda looks like a pallasite but that's just a silly guess, I guess ;
since it's only based on a glance. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Bill






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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:00 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] How Many Meteorites Are Hidden on Farmland?
 
http://www.agweb.com/article/how-many-meteorites-are-hidden-on-farmland-naa-chris-bennett/[1]



How Many Meteorites Are Hidden on Farmland?
www.agweb.com
In early May, with corn already up, Bruce Lilienthal spotted a large
rock jutting halfway out of his heavy, black dirt. He dug out a 16"
long, 10" wide and 2" thick specimen weighing an unseemly 33 lbs.
Unknown to Lilienthal, he'd harvested the single most unique item in
his farm's history: a meteorite.


Regards!


Tom


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[meteorite-list] AD: Ohio Meteorite Collection

[almitt2--- via Meteorite-list]

 To those members on the List who might be interested,

 I have 8 Ohio meteorites, most of which are impossible to find or 
even buy, available. The items are pieces from my own personal 
collection. I would rather sell the whole group but would consider 
offers on a piece or several.


 Please email me at: almitt2atlocalnet.com for more details and 
listings and weights.


 Thanks for your interest.

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[meteorite-list] AD: Ohio Meteorite Collection

[almitt2--- via Meteorite-list]

To those members on the List who might be interested,

I have 8 Ohio meteorites, most of which are impossible to find or even 
buy, available. The items are pieces from my own personal collection. I 
would rather sell the whole group but would consider offers on a piece 
or several.


Please email me at: almitt2atlocalnet.com for more details and listings 
and weights.


Thanks for your interest.

--AL Mitterling

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Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

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 Hi John,

 Using a CBN Blade sold by the company you referred to is a bad idea
in my experience. In the past I used their blades and they were great
early on. Don't know what happened but the quality of the blades went
down and I coudn't even cut a half inch before the material on the
blade wore off. I could feel on the blade where it was smooth and other
areas maybe still a little cutting material left.

 I commented to the company owners before they sold the business and
they were concerned as I showed them the blades and mentioned how long
the blades lasted. However the problem was never solved and I stopped
wasting my $$ on the blades.

 I don't recommend that someone who hasn't cut meteorites before cut
off a sample. Picking the right spot so as not to detract from the mass
is important. No doubt you will get a lot of people offering to cut for
you, some good some not so good. Why not take it to the meteorite lab
in Portland to have a sample cut. I would bet they would allow you to
be there during the cutting.

 I'd make sure they know what they are doing as I have seen cutting
jobs messed up by some of the best known institutions. One place lost
over a kilo of material from their lack of knowledge of the material.

 Good luck!

 --AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

 Quoting John Pierce via Meteorite-list :


Hello All,



This is my first post here.  I joined recently because I found a lovely
nickel-iron meteorite, and that has spurred my further interest in this
subject.  My meteorite has been confirmed as the real thing by staff of the
Meteorite Lab at Portland State University, who would like to perform
classification.  It is 11.2 kg, and according to PSU staff, it will be only
the seventh classified meteorite ever found in the state of Oregon.



I?ve enjoyed reading these archives, but I haven?t yet been able to find
answer to my question.



I?m posting here to ask if anyone has any experience cutting an iron
meteorite with the CBN blade that is sold by Johnson Brothers Lapidary.  They
advertise it as just the thing for cutting irons.  I?m interested to know
anything about blade life, rim speed, feed rate, and using plain water as a
coolant/lubricant.  For cutting the analysis sample, I have machining
experience and very suitable tools, except for the blade, which I would
like to be a circular blade.



I welcome replies here on the forum, or by private email.



Kind regards,

John




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Re: [meteorite-list] Invented words

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Greetings,

I've had fun reading this discussion but a good one none the less. When 
I joined this list (shortly after it's creation) we had a discussion on 
fireballs and bolides. With all of the discussion, members couldn't 
agree on those terms of use. I then realized if we couldn't come to 
grips with what I thought a simple term, we were in trouble with the 
really complicated ideas.


Of course everyone knows that a bolide is a fireball that breaks apart ;-)

Best!!

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

(27 1/2 years selling meteorites!)



Quoting Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list :


"Regmagyps" are the fingerprint-like depressions on a fake meteorite :)

Paul Swartz


From: Bigjohn Shea (bigjohns...@mail.com)

Starting to wander off topic...

Unless we want to continue inventing more words that are related to 
meteoritics?


I propose we start simplifying "regmaglypts" to "remagyps" until it 
catches on.



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Re: [meteorite-list] Aztec, NM Meteorite questions

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Hi Dennis, Ruben and all,

I checked out some of my Nininger books but didn't find any info 
either. Looks like most of the material is at the Field Museum. There 
are some smaller specimens (cut from the one stone that fell) in a 
couple of other collections including Nininger's.


Fell February 1st, 1938 around 5 p.m. local time. Perhaps talking to 
the places that have part of the specimen might yield some more 
information. Some research is in order to find out more about this 
fall! Best and good luck!


--AL Mitterling


Quoting Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
:


Hi,

Aztec NM is my home town. I grew up there, I even graduated high

school in

Aztec. So, I have always wondered about where exactly that stone

fell.

Unfortunately, I never could find out much. Good luck.
On Mar 21, 2016 6:18 PM, "Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list" <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:


Hello, All!  Living just 8 miles from Aztec, NM, thought that I

might do a

little
fragment hunting.  I have a few questions, though.  First, I have

read that

Harvey Nininger sent his wife, Addie, to Aztec to purchase the

only stone.

Does anyone know who she purchased it from?  Second,  what was the
flight path?  And finally, does anyone have a small piece for

sale?

Thanks!
Dennis  IMCA #1434
P.S.  Also looking for a piece of Four Corners meteorite.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Jupiter meteorite question

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 Hi,

 I have some specimens from Neptune. Neptune, Ohio that is. 

 --AL Mitterling Quoting Jeff Tougint via Meteorite-list
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it would be PRICELESS...
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Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for Monument Draw (ACAP) and Gibson (LOD)

[almitt2--- via Meteorite-list]

 Hi Peter,

 Not sure if I am getting through to you by email, but I have a 2.9 
gram part slice of Monument Draw. Let me know on list if you have tried 
to contact me. Best!


 --AL Mitterling

 Mitterling Meteorites

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Hello All,

I'm looking for a small slice of Monument Draw (ACAP) or Gibson (LOD)!

Off list, please!

Best regards,
Peter


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Re: [meteorite-list] Jupiter meteorite question

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 Hi,

 I have some specimens from Neptune. Neptune, Ohio that is. 

 --AL Mitterling


Quoting Jeff Tougint via Meteorite-list
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it would be PRICELESS...


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Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and Mineral Show

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Hi Anne and all,

I can remember it being larger in the early 1990's compared to the 
shows after 2002. I'd multiply finding a parking spot by 3 back then to 
now. My opinion and memory isn't always right but it was larger then. 
Most people back then made reservations a year ahead of time in order 
to stay. I found a motel about 40 miles away that I stayed in for 
several years straight.


One could use the amount of income that takes place during the show to 
come up with some sort of attendance taking place.


Also the city got greedy some time back and was thinking of putting a 
tax on the shows. There was talk of moving it to Vegas then. The city 
rethought it's taxing the shows after they were threatened with the 
show moving. Some of the gem shows did move so some loss of income and 
people.


I prefer Tucson as it is a nice location and hope the show doesn't ever move.

Best!

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

Quoting Anne Black :


Frankly Al,

I have been going to the Tucson show since the year 2000, and it 
seems to be just as busy, crowded now as it was then. I hear the same 
complaints about parking.
I would love to know how whomever came up with this number managed to 
count people. There are shows all over the city, and entrance is 
free, people wander in and out of hotels, tents,. There are no 
tickets to buy, no one counting people come in anywhere. So how did



whomever get to that number?

Curious minds

Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


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Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and Mineral Show

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Greetings all,

Wondering what the attendance of the Tucson show was in the 1990's.
If I had to guess I'd say 200,000 or more. I can remember it being so
much larger than past years I have been able to attend. I remember
trying to find parking spots for a half hour or more. You learn to
walk to places rather than drive down the road a bit or you would hunt
for another parking spot for quite a while. 9-11 changed all of that.

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

  Quoting Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
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Dear List Members,

I was shocked to hear that the Tucson Gem and Mineral show is no 
longer the world's largest.  It looks like China is in first place 
with attendance figures of over 380,000 for a four day event in 2015 
compared to less than 40,000 for Tucson.


http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/newsletters/2015_Jul.pdf

Maybe I should attend this year to add support for this American show 
that has been running since 1955 while the Chinese show has only 
existed for a mere 3 years.


Adam




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Re: [meteorite-list] 6th Annual Eating Your Way Around Tucson - 2016

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 Hi John and all,

 In regards to La Fuente Restaurant, on 1749 N. Oracle Rd., I
believe that restaurant has closed for good. Need input from those who
live in Tucson. Too bad as that was right in the heart of the Gem
Shows.

 For a great hamburger at low cost, In and Out Burger is a great
choice. They tend to be very busy so go there when you have the time
to do so. Another really great brewery and fantastic food, B's
Brewery just south of the Tucson Mall on Oracle has my extreme best
vote. Have fun and post here so those of us that can't go can enjoy
the show! Thanks!

 --AL Mitterling

Quoting John Teague via Meteorite-list
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Hey, List Members!

I have it on good authority that Tucson is fast approaching!  With 
that in mind, I am once again giving my ?Annual Eating Your Way 
Around Tucson? list, a slight name change from last year.  This

list

has been put together with over twenty years of attending the

shows. 

These are my opinions (well, my wife, Cookie, too!) only.  I have

no

vested interest in any of these establishments, no free food, etc! 

I
just like good food!  Maybe you will find my/our tastes different 
from yours but all of these are worth a try!


Again this year, I am leaving for Tucson mid-January! This will be

my
fifth year to make the 2200 mile (each way!) drive to Tucson.  My 
wife,Cookie, did retire July 2nd and will make the dive with me

(for

the FIRST time!) rather than flying!

I am adding some new locations suggested by list members last year 
after prior posts.  We did get to try some of them and enjoyed them



VERY much.  I hope to add more this year!

NEW FAVORITES for us!
Fist, a BIG ?Thank you!? to Terry Sayther from Austin Texas!  Terry



sent us a couple of suggestions for breakfast ? or ANYtime!  We are



calling them ?MUSTS?!

MUST #1:  Bobo's Restaurant, 2938 E. Grant Road, 520-326-6163 
http://www.bobostucson.com/[1]  We at there ?more than once? in

2014! 

Everything is GREAT!  I have to be gluten free but try the

pancakes! 

They are the size of a plate!  The omelets are WONDERFUL!  Check

out

the deserts!  Once again, Bobo?s ROCKS!

MUST #2:  Robert?s Restaurant (closed Sunday), 3301 East Grant

Road,
(520) 795-1436 http://www.robertstucson.com/[2]  We also visited 
Robert?s a couple of times!  Robert?s is just down the street from 
Bobo?s but on the opposite side of Grant!  You cannot go wrong with



either choice!

MUST #3:  Teresa?a Mosaic Café, 2456 N. Silver Mosaic Dr. (at Grant


Rd, behind McDonalds), Tucson, AZ - 520-624-4512.  GREAT Mexican 
food!  WONDERFUL margaritas!  http://www.teresamosaiccafe.com/[3]


If you are looking for GREAT ?diner? eats, give Little Anthony's 
Diner (, 7010 E Broadway Blvd, 520-296-0456) a try.  If you like 
milkshakes the ?old fashioned way? (with the ?extra? shake that

won?t
fit into you LARGE shake glass delivered to you table in the metal 
mixing cup, complete with frost on the outside!) then Little 
Anthony?s Diner is for you! http://littleanthonysdiner.com/[4] 

Little

Anthony?s also sponsor car shows in their huge parking lot.  Like

old

and new cars and trucks, be there Saturday 1/23 and/or 2/6 10am-2pm


to see some cool vehicles!  I know this is not food/eating related 
but check out The Gaslight Theatre (next to, and associated with 
Little Anthony?s!) http://thegaslighttheatre.com/[5]!  During

Tucson
show time, the Gaslight offers an old west themed, hilarious 
melodrama!  We have attended each year for several years and have 
enjoyed each performance!  This year?s production is ?The Cisco

Kid?.

  You can order your tickets online for best seat selection and then



pick them up in Tucson.


Now, a ?Classic?!

* Pat's Drive In, 1202 West Niagara Street, 520-624-0891
I should not list this first, but I AM!  I first read about Pat's

in

Arizona Highways magazine.  It is a tradition in Arizona!  It is on

a

side street off N. Grande Ave, between Speedway and St. Marys.  It

is
near the condo that we rent each year.  I had driven within half a 
block of it for years and did not know it existed!  If you like the


old drive in restaurants, this IS the place for you!  If you like 
greasy fries by the pound, this is for you!  If you like GREAT

chili

hotdogs, this IS the place for you, please note that they have

three

degrees of heat for their chili!


We have "favorites" that we think everyone should try at least

once. 

In no particular order:

NEW!  NEW!  NEW! This is our NEW ?favorite? from 2013:
* Guadalajara Grill was suggested by good friend, Dennis Beal,

XTAL,

(Room 120, Hotel City Center, Marty Zinn?s Arizona Mineral & Fossil


Show).  We have learned that if Dennis suggests a restaurant, you 
BEST try it!  He has never sent us to a bad one, not even a

mediocre

one!
Guadalajara Grill ? West, 1220 E Prince Road-520-323-1022 (also 2nd



location: East, 750 N Kolb Road, 520-296-1122.  We went to the one

on

Prince the very last night we 

[meteorite-list] 1996-2016 meteorite collectors / dealers

[almitt2--- via Meteorite-list]

 Greetings,

 Great Topic John!!

 I technically started my collection in the mid 1960's with a visit
to Meteor(ite) Crater. I was hoping to buy an actual iron meteorite.
You could only buy shale, so I bought several on a square card that
had a purplish/red color with a fireball trail and meteorite shale in
the center of the card. However I don't think I can count that as when
I started to seriously collect.

 Later went back to Meteor Crater as an adult and wanted to buy an
actual iron meteorite. Still couldn't but bought a larger piece of
shale. This was in 1979. After Reading Nininger's book Find a Falling
Star in 1985, that inspired me to want to collect meteorites. I bought
three specimens from Robert Haag (The Meteorite Man) a iron Canyon
Diablo, an Imilac stony iron, and a Allende CV3. Not bad for my first
chondrite!

 I joined a group from England called the Meteorite Filies
(spelling) who talked, swapped and had the original journal for
amateur collecting. How ever it went defunct due to an accident by
it's main member. I still have three or four of the magazines. Back
then you had to get your hands on reading material as there wasn't any
real internet to communicate on the subject. There was only 6 or 7 new
specimens coming out each year and at best 10 or 12 dealers (world
wide). There were very few actual collectors.

 After buying meteorites from one of Ron F. sellers and finding out
he was charging 3 times more than I could buy them myself I started
into the dealer arena to offer competition. This was in 1988 or about
27 years ago. I originally collected three specimens but after reading
about some of the falls in Nininger's Book, collected 13 more
specimens. thinking this was all that I would ever need. That was
roughly 500 specimens ago (personal collection) and tens of thousands
of meteorites bought and sold.

 During the Compuserve era (early 1990's for me) Joesph Murakami and
I started a meteorite list on the AstroForum which we engaged in the
discussion of meteorites with other members.

 Best!

 --AL Mitterling

 Mitterling Meteorites Quoting J Sinclair via Meteorite-list
:


Hello All,

20 years.

I noticed while looking at Matt Morgan's web site, he writes
"established in 1996"
The Meteorite Exchange site says "Impacting the Meteorite World

Since 1996"


Did anyone else start collecting in '96. If not then... when? and

why?

Many dealers and collectors were active before '96 and many more

after.


In August 1996 I read on the front page of the local NC (Greensboro
Daily News) newspaper that NASA had found a possible life form in a
Martian meteorite found in Antarctica - Allan Hills 84001. This was
announcing there was life elsewhere in the Universe.

I figured people would want meteorites. I was already selling gems

and

minerals at shows and had seen meteorites for sale in Tucson and
Denver. I had meteorites before the end of the year. The fist ones
were mailed from a dealer in Mexico - Tolucas, then Gibeon from the
S.African dealers Karl and Clive. Next was Esquel from Bob Haag. I
nearly sold out the first show I offered meteorites.

It was ALH 84001 that started it for me. How about the rest of you?

See you in Tucson.

John



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Re: [meteorite-list] Send me a photo too

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Hi list and Bob,

I don't know if I would take a gamble on that or not. :-)

--AL Mitterling

Quoting Robert Haag via Meteorite-list :


I need an excuse to go to. Las Vegas

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Re: [meteorite-list] Denver Show Question

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Hi Dennis,

Here is a link to where most of the meteorite dealers are located. 
There are other areas for meteorites at the show also.


http://www.mzexpos.com/colorado_fall_dealer_list.html

Best!

--AL Mitterling



Quoting Hotmail via Meteorite-list :


Hello, List!   What web site gives the who, what, when and wheres for
the Denver show this week?
Thanks!
DennisMiller



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[meteorite-list] Pluto Meteorites

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Greetings,

Since the New Horizons probe is near it's closest encounter to Pluto, 
thought it might be a good time to bring up the topic of possible 
Plutonian Meteorites we might have in our collections.


There are some orbital dynamics that would make it a long shot but if 
another Pluto size object collided with the planet to make the moon, 
perhaps there is debris that slowly made it's way to the interior 
planets. Perhaps sitting on Earth somewhere from an impact from long 
past.


Thanks NASA for the great views at Pluto! Hope much more science comes 
out of the New Horizons in the future.


Any takers??



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Re: [meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientific or Educational Institutions...

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Greetings,

It doesn't matter what a real meteorite is to these type of people. 
They believe  that what they have is a meteorite and we are all 
plotting against them. They think we are trying to cheat them out of 
their specimen worth millions of dollars. You can't reason with 
insanity by trying to show them what a real specimen is like!


Don't offer facts that might interfere with their fantasies. Steve 
Curry's name came up in all of this. He was found guilty of three 
counts of fraud selling fake specimens. I am sure the justice system is 
also conspiring with the meteorite community.


Read Here:

http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/articles/fake-space-rock-peddler-guilty-on-three-counts/

Sorry but we deal in the real item here. Not granite.

Best!

--AL Mitterling

Quoting David Allepuz via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com:




Amazing!
Read all meteoritics books edited last 10 years, read all Nature's, 
Sciece and of course Meteoritics and Planetary Science aricles about 
meteorites.

No need of a degree in geology...just read.
Visit as museums as you can that takes care of meteorites.
Visit Ensishem, Munich and Tucson shows.
I'm sure that before completing this simple list you will be able to 
recognize a meteorite.

A real meteorite, not the rocks showed in your images!
We are serious people making our best to contribute to meteoritics science.
Read, look, and respectfully learn from people who really knows about that.




David Allepuz
www.meteorits.cat
www.cazameteoritos.es
IMCA #1496


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Re: [meteorite-list] Edwin Thompson's----EarthUnder

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I Agree with John L. on Edwin's book!!

Edwin has certainly been a member of the meteorite community long 
before most of us and did a lot of travel in order to get specimens in 
the hands of collectors, museums and researchers.


It is great that we get to share some of these adventures with him now 
after all of these years!


If you don't have a copy, find one and join the adventure.

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites


Quoting John Lutzon via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com:


Hello All,

This post is Not an AD---it is only my humble opinion.

Although I have decided not to finish his new book (EarthUnder) in 
normal quick fashion but to savor it,
if you may be interested in an exciting adventure theme--his 
descriptive writing is palpable--

you are there, I can see it, feel it and taste it.

In one way, i don't want to put it down and at the same time i don't 
want it to end.


My personal kudo's to ET.

John
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Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers

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Greetings,

About time that eBay was humbled a bit. Every time I get on to sell I 
find that things are even more restrictive than the last time I sold.


While the buyers should be protective from fraud, so should the 
sellers. As was said, eBay use to be about a market place for sellers 
to sell and buyer to buy in a safe environment. It is certainly one 
sided for the buyers now.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers

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Greetings,

About time that eBay was humbled a bit. Every time I get on to sell I 
find that things are even more restrictive than the last time I sold.


While the buyers should be protective from fraud, so should the 
sellers. As was said, eBay use to be about a market place for sellers 
to sell and buyer to buy in a safe environment. It is certainly one 
sided for the buyers now.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Happy birthday to the Giants

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Hi Frank and all,

Nininger was involved in each of these. The Norton County Aubrite was 
purchased (and dug up) by Lincoln LaPaz after he was able to out bid 
Nininger on it. A sore spot for years to come between the men.


Both impressive meteorites.

--AL Mitterling

Quoting Frank Cressy via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com:

February 17 and 18 are the birthdays of the two largest meteorites to 
fall in the US.  On February 17, 1930 the Paragould meteorite fell in 
the northeastern corner of Arkansas.  The 820 pound stone recovered 
from the fall was the largest meteorite recovered from a witnessed 
fall in the US to that time.


Eighteen years later, on February 18, 1948, the Norton County aubrite 
fell near the Kansas-Nebraska border.  The 2360 pound main mass was 
found on July 3 and later recovered from a 10 foot deep hole.  It 
remains the largest stone meteorite seen to fall in the US and the 
second largest largest fall in the world after the Jilin, China 
meteorite that fell on March 8, 1976.


Cheers,

Frank

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Re: [meteorite-list] The True Story of Ann Hodges: History?s Only Meteorite Victim

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Greetings,

Ann Hodges isn't the only person to be struck by a meteorite. During 
the Mbale fall, a young boy was hit on the head by a small stone and 
suffer no injury.


See Sky and Telescope on the article.

Best!

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

Quoting Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com:


Hello List

I wish I was a victim from a meteorite Lunar fall :)

Enjoy the TRUe STORy

Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
Website http://meteoritefalls.com



The True Story of Ann Hodges: History?s Only Meteorite Victim
January 16, 2015
By First to Know


Getting hit by a falling meteor is far more uncommon than getting struck
by lighting. How uncommon you might ask?




There is only one confirmed person in history to have ever been hit by
one. And she had the evidence to prove it.




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Re: [meteorite-list] 22 Years Ago Today: Peekskill Meteorite Hit Car

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Hi Ron and all,

Good post on the Peekskill! Besides the piece that hit the car, two 
other fragments also fell. Neither of which have been located. Some 
speculation that they may have landed in the ocean or body of water 
further to the east.


The Car was purchased by AL Lang, a long time meteorite dealer. He and 
a small consortium of dealers and one collector also bought the 
meteorite. A number of slices were taken from the meteorite and are on 
display at museums, as well in private collections.


Seems like it was just yesterday.

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites


Quoting Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com:




http://ehstoday.com/environment/throwback-thursday-there-was-no-way-prevent-famous-fall

Throwback Thursday: There Was No Way to Prevent this Famous Fall

Thousands of people in the eastern United States saw and heard the greenish
Peekskill meteorite as it flashed through the night sky, and one witness
said that it crackled like a very loud sparkler.

Josh Cable
EHS Today
October 9, 2014

On Oct. 9, 1992, a meteorite hurtled through space, streaked into the
earth's atmosphere and - by the hand of fate - smashed into the trunk
of a 1980 Chevy Malibu in Peekskill, N.Y.

All accidents and injuries are preventable, as the popular saying goes.
But sometimes - despite our best efforts to live safely - the universe
throws a curveball that we never saw coming.

On Oct. 9, 1992, that proverbial curveball was a meteorite that hurtled
through space, streaked into the earth's atmosphere and - by the hand
of fate - smashed into the trunk of a 1980 Chevy Malibu in Peekskill,
N.Y. The meteorite plunged to the earth in a dazzling fireball, startling
fans at a high school football game and slamming into the Chevy Malibu
at 164 mph.

According to the History Channel's website:

On this day in 1992, 18-year-old Michelle Knapp is watching television
in her parents' living room in Peekskill, N.Y., when she hears a thunderous
crash in the driveway. Alarmed, Knapp ran outside to investigate. What
she found was startling, to say the least: a sizeable hole in the rear
end of her car, an orange 1980 Chevy Malibu; a matching hole in the gravel
driveway underneath the car; and in the hole, the culprit: what looked
like an ordinary, bowling-ball-sized rock. It was extremely heavy for
its size (it weighed about 28 pounds), shaped like a football and warm
to the touch; also, it smelled vaguely of rotten eggs. The next day, a
curator from the American Museum of Natural History in New York City
confirmed that the object was a genuine meteorite.

Thousands of people in the eastern United States saw and heard the greenish
Peekskill meteorite as it flashed through the night sky, and one witness
said that it crackled like a very loud sparkler, according to history.com.

Scientists later concluded that the Peekskill meteorite was a fragment
of a larger stone that broke as it entered Earth's atmosphere. Knapp's
driveway was the final stop on a harrowing journey that began in the main
asteroid belt in space, between Jupiter and Mars.

Fortunately, no one was injured, and the story had a happy ending for
Knapp: She sold the Malibu - which she'd just bought for $300 - to a 
meteorite

collector for $10,000.

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Re: [meteorite-list] AL Havrilla

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A Tribute To AL Havrilla

Some of you may have known AL as he was a meteorite collector. 
Perhaps some of the meteorite dealers may have known him better. He 
read the list and was a lurker. AL Passed away Wednesday September 
17th  2014. He had a long history of illness due to his diabetes. He 
was born in Ohio and was a past member of the Chagrin Valley 
Astronomy Club. He worked on the Hubble Space Telescope Project in 
the photo lab and he is credited with photos he worked on in the book 
Galaxies by Timothy Ferris.


AL was a avid meteorite collector and lived, breath, and studied 
meteorites, as this was his biggest passion. AL didn't have much 
money in which to acquire specimens but saved up money and would make 
two, three or four purchases per year as his budget allowed. His 
collection grew to about 100 nice specimens over a period of 22 plus 
years. I was honored to be able to provide him with a number of his 
specimens.


He would call me for my offerings, and we would often talk for 30 or 
40 minutes at a time about meteorites, astronomy and what all was 
going on. I had an occasion to visit with him in person twice when I 
went to Washington D.C. and we went to see the national collection of 
meteorites.


Due to his poor health he was put on disability and was a shut in for 
a great part of his remaining years. Meteorites were his escape and 
kept him going, along with reading Meteorite Magazine from cover to 
cover. Also telephone calls seem to pick him up when he called me or 
I called him. I know that he also dealt with Blaine Reed often and 
talking to Blaine lifted him up


A few years back he began thinking about what to do with his 
specimens before he suffeled off the Earth. He contacted me to assist 
him with this. He had decided to try to partially donate/sell his 
collection to a museum that did education and had outreach programs. 
His collection could then be seen by children and adults in order to 
become better acquainted with meteorites. I was able to find a great 
museum for his specimens. I drove to his location in Baltimore, MD., 
and spent a day or two there and then took his collection with me, 
where I later delivered the specimens to the museum of his choice.


While it was hard for AL to part with his specimens (he did retain 
some) he knew  his specimens would be going to a place where they 
would do the most good and it would give him some credit and a small 
legacy. He derived a great deal of satisfaction and some relief from 
doing this.


AL will be missed by a number of us and there is now another hole in 
the meteorite world.


--AL Mitterling




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[meteorite-list] Geoff Notkin

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Greetings,

Geoff, if you would send me your email address so I can contact you.

Thanks!

--AL Mitterling

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Re: [meteorite-list] How Many Meteorites Fall Each Year?

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Hi Sterling, Anne and all,

I couldn't find much on the fall rate in Sterling's link, but did a 
search on the meteorite central site and came up with a lot of results 
for those who want to pursue fall rates. Link below. Best!


http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/cgi-bin/search/search.cgi?zoom_sort=0zoom_xml=0zoom_query=Meteorite+Fall+rateszoom_per_page=10zoom_and=0

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites


Quoting Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list 
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Dear Anne, Al, List,

A long post on the question of
how many meteorites fall each
year was posted to The Meteorite
List back in the year 2000. It
can be found at:
http://archive.today/Yx4Fc

From that post, you can follow
the thread forward and backward
if you want to read all the
discussion. There was quite a
bit of discussion, as I recall.

It gives the figures from the
Canadian MORP study and other
sources, as well as discussing
methods of calculating the fall
rate.

Sterling Webb

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] GA NC TN AL KY Meteor Approx 2320 EDT //2220
CDT 02AUG2014

Hi Anne and all,

There are many scientifically calculated fall rates. Most assume meteorites
that have landed are 100 grams or larger as those are deemed more findable.
A Canadian study estimated some 21,000 falls per year.
We loose 3/4 in the oceans, leaving some 6,000 to land on dry land.
Many of those land in remote areas away from the notice of people.
Higher populations usually result in the notice of more falls. Light
pollution probably reduces that number some.

Of all the falls, only 0.1% or about 5 to 6 falls per year are actually
collected. The 1933 year was an excellent year for recovery of falls.
17 meteorites of the potential fall total were recovered!

According to this Canadian study we are really no better at recovery of
falls than we were in the past. Even though meteorite falls are better
understood than in the past. It is important to keep this in mind as there
are many unlocated falls all over the world.


Source for some of this information:
Canadian fireball rates and meteorite falls - declining returns by Martin
Beech Campion College, The University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan,
Canada


--AL Mitterling
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Re: [meteorite-list] GA NC TN AL KY Meteor Approx 2320 EDT // 2220 CDT 02AUG2014

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Hi Anne and all,

There are many scientifically calculated fall rates. Most assume 
meteorites that have landed are 100 grams or larger as those are deemed 
more findable. A Canadian study estimated some 21,000 falls per year. 
We loose 3/4 in the oceans, leaving some 6,000 to land on dry land. 
Many of those land in remote areas away from the notice of people. 
Higher populations usually result in the notice of more falls. Light 
pollution probably reduces that number some.


Of all the falls, only 0.1% or about 5 to 6 falls per year are actually 
collected. The 1933 year was an excellent year for recovery of falls. 
17 meteorites of the potential fall total were recovered!


According to this Canadian study we are really no better at recovery of 
falls than we were in the past. Even though meteorite falls are better 
understood than in the past. It is important to keep this in mind as 
there are many unlocated falls all over the world.



Source for some of this information:
Canadian fireball rates and meteorite falls – declining returns
by
Martin Beech
Campion College, The University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada


--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites



Quoting Anne Black via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com:


I am curious.
It is practically everyday that a fireball is spotted somewhere 
around the globe, but..


-  How many of those fireballs are real fireballs, not plane, 
fireworks, lighting,... etc?

-  How many of those real ones burn up in the atmosphere?
-  How many make it to the ground and produce meteorites?
-  And finally how many of those are ever found soon enough to be 
called Falls?


Is anyone keeping track of those numbers?
The percentage meteorites  fireballs would be interesting.


Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


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