Re: [meteorite-list] From the Admin - update on List Policies
And if you have a problem with someone breaking the list rules, you contact Art, not the other 600 of us out here. Otherwise you're just being a hypocrite. Jason and fellow List members, My response to Art was an Re: to his email to the List. Sorry if that violated your newly proposed rule #9. As a respectful List member I will attempt to mend my hypocritical ways and be more courteous. I agree with you that disputes should not be broadcast when they can be settled and/or should be taken off line. I have contacted or tried to contact steve before I've posted to the List. steve has never responded to my private emails. And I also (hypocritically) agree that Art should be emailed privately. But when those methods don't work, List members should be allowed to discuss List matters or rules violation without personal attacks (#3). My suggestions: An administrative action is the best solution, (privately email Art), a second solution is to bribe the Mexican government during steve's next vacation, and a third solution previously suggested is for ALL to NOT respond to steve's emails - my twist - person's violating this secret directive will be privately spammed by the collective list members. (pack members will take over when pack leader does not lead - Cesar Millan) Recovering hypocrite, accused naysayer and NGC watcher, Ken Newton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Spam Alert: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now.
Doug, I want to applaud your suggestion. I have tried something similar on my web site. I listed current questionable auctions. However, I could not contact the people that were bidding or had purchased due to ebay rules. eBay Policy "* Members are not allowed to interfere with another member's transaction. * Members are not permitted to email buyers in an open or completed transaction to warn them away from a seller or item. If you have a problem with a transaction, please use the feedback forum and review our Fraud Protection Program. " Also, I learned the hard way that my web site could also be used against me. My decision was to limit it only to IMCA members, but have been too busy to work on it lately. I am convinced that it is wise to keep any negative info within the bounds of IMCA. IMCA has a closed forum that allows its members to be warned in advance. I run auctions, the purpose to direct interested ones to IMCA membership. This glassface1 can burn some newbies. However, those burnt will learn of IMCA and ask for membership. If there are legal ways to help, I am open to suggestions. I really like "We are a non-profit organization helping buyers get authentic meteorites." A web page or two devoted to what to look for, what to ask, when to walk away, etc. would be nice! Best, Ken Newton http://www.imca.cc/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: En un mensaje con fecha 02/23/2004 1:25:22 PM Mexico Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe: Unless you become a victim, there is not a whole lot you can do legally. And that IS sad. I agree the situation is not very happy, though I have a different path to suggest in accomplishing the goal. I want to say you analysis was very convincing if the big hammer approach is to be tried ... enough to tempt anyone. I was very impressed with the resources available that you mentioned. But please also consider: First, what is the goal? Ebay is a giant flea market, is it not? Or does the flea market being on-line mean people have to be more ethical? I don't think the mission of eBay is to get tied up in that sticky issue any more than similar things like porn-proofing the on-line search engines at the source. Similar messes would result in a dynamic situation. I have never seen unofficial vigilante cops running around an asphalt and paint flea market, and the IMCA really has no such jurisdiction. Please don't interpret this as me cutting slack to nefarious thieves. Nothing is further from my thoughts. I think it is just an objective summary of the state of the world at the moment. So rather than changing the world, perhaps we need to drop the Policeman of the World ideas and review some other reasonable options that tend to get us where we want to, efficiently. Some ideas on the table I'd advance: 1. Who's responsibility is it to beware? Ans: the buyer 2. Does eBay permit a flea market policing authority with sanctioning power? Ans: No. 3. What is the IMCA to this? Ans: A special interest SELLER group. 4. What is it to you if you aren't the victim? a) Fulfill a desire to be a vigilante. or b) Increase your sales by giving people more confidence to pay you for your stuff and getting rid of competitors you can squeal on or c) both or d) Nothing. 5. What is it to you if you are the victim? Ans: a) Theft; b) Happy anyway ... no perceived problem. It would seem that this is only a crime when there is victim, with the possible exception of advertising fraud as already pointed out - though that is a rather overkill due to its complexity in preparing the case, a difficult route to take for a flea market, unless you are a victim, and a very mad one at that !! And it would also seem that if IMCA were to consider combating fraud within its goals, the resources should be paid for proportionally, just like the United Nations type of animal it is, based on sales. Perhaps a three tier contribution. But then again, perhaps not: Because not everyone in IMCA feels the same about paying to nail other criminals with their $. I didn't check if IMCA has in its goals to combat fraud. I would think, though, that IMCA is a positive bend, not a crime fighting bend, and as such feels strongly about fraud but does not make it a general focus for membership. Rather, IMCA I view as a positive influence saying, with us you buy with confidence. So based on the above reasoning, I would enter the idea that all IMCA members interested in policing the eBay world start an anti-fraud squad (best under IMCA, of course) where everyone has that one sole purpose. Now the three tier funding works whether in $ or in hours...but how to spend it efficiently? ... The real complaint seems to me to be in part that IMCA is not being marketed as well as many wish it could. Well ... maybe it should scrap that idea of being vigilantes and work on improving marketing efforts. For example every time I make a search on Google for meteorites up pops "I buy, sell and trade meteorites," by one distinguished member who has his
Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now.
> Someone from the US just HAS to report this seller to ebay Those living in the LA area (residence of 'glassface1') can report this to attorney general's office. The AG may act without an actual victim, if enough complain. (you can always volunteer to be a fraud victim :>( Those who are frustrated at ebay's lack of co-operation in allowing circumstances like this can speak to them directly. But expect little: eBay Corporate Offices: (408) 558-7400 (408) 558-7401 1-800-322-9266 1-888-749-3229 1-408-558-7400 1-408-376-6554 FAX Hours: 7:30AM - 5:30PM PT M-F Employee's Extension: press 1 Dial by name directory: press 0 Customer Service: press 2 Operator: press 3 I only suffered additional frustration as the ebay oprator directed me back to the ebay web site. ( If you have 'pop-up blockers- on' you cannot see key safety harbor reporting form links.) I spoke to an organization that helps in reporting interent fraud http://www.fraud.org/ . They report to the FTC. They admitt the FTC only deals with reports by victims who have actually lost money. Unless you become a victim, there is not a whole lot you can do legally. And that IS sad. Best, ken # 9632 P.S. I wonder if the 'hint of' or 'actually' reporting the matter to the Press, would shake things up? Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems wrote: Someone from the US just HAS to report this seller to ebay:http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2227843817category=3239Bernhard
Re: [meteorite-list] glassface1
If that someone else buys the fake, that means they won't be buying our real ones and that means we just sold our meteorite for less than we could have. Huh? It just means they are buying fakes. The thing that hurts everyone, are the burnt new buyers that quit the hobby. The more who join, the more demand. The more demand, the more valuable your meteorites become. Less demand, Less value. IMCA is the answer. The more new persons who join, the more who will be educated to the glassface1's. However, one may have to be burnt once to wise up. And that one quickly learns about IMCA. While they are being educated they can purrchase from IMCA members and not have to worry. Ebay deals with this kinda the same as law enforcement. You can't have a criminal without a victim to accuse him. If enough victims say fraud then ebay acts But only the victims can make the claim. The person can not only be thrown off ebay but can also do jail time. http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/online/auctions.htm http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp http://www.consumer.gov/sentinel/ Best, ken IMCA # 9632 www.IMCA.cc http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs1.html Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello Randy and list, Randy wrote let the buyer beware, that's fine, but, I am trying to protect the sellers as well, including myself. If someone is selling fake meteorites and us collectors won't buy them, someone else will. If that someone else buys the fake, that means they won't be buying our real ones and that means we just sold our meteorite for less than we could have. Then, sellers, to make a profit have to raise there prices and we all have to pay more. It seems that a lot of legitimate sellers are members of the IMCA and we are the ones getting hurt! I think the IMCA members should stick together and fight these fraudulent sellers to protect ourselves. I also think legitimate sellers that are not IMCA members feel the same way. It hurts us all. Am I wrong?Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 - Original Message - From: Randy Mils To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:09 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] glassface1 It has been stated on this list time and time and time again. LEAVE EBAY ALONE. It is not the IMCA's job to police ebay sellers. Let the buyer beware. Randy From: Tom aka James Knudson To: Subject: [meteorite-list] glassface1 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:13:40 -0700 Hey List, this glassface1 Can't even keep the lies strait! Can't something be done about this seller? May be the IMCA can put on an ebay add about fraudulent sellers and how to identify them? Meteorite *ALLENDE* CV3 It's my last one http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie Itemitem=2227157587category=3239 But then lists another one later Meteorite: CV3 Allende Special Huge Stone http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?View temitem=2227224342category=3239 Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] True collector or sick?
It is all wrong, You scream loudly until family and neighbors gather round and you have them take pictures first. Then have someone rush to a phone and call a newspaper photographer. Don't allow anyone to leave until you have their signed affidavits. ken www.imca.cc Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello List, am I a true meteorite collector or just sick?I was daydreaming tonight (?) while sitting in my back yard about seeing a huge fireball and having meteorites showering down all around me. I then asked myself this question and thought seriously about the answer, if a was lucky enough to have that happen and a large individual hit me and maybe shattered a bone in my leg, what would be the first thing I would do? After looking deep inside myself, I could honestly say that I would drag myself along with the meteorite inside, weigh it take a pic or two of my meteorite and leg and email the list, then and only then would I seek medical attention! Is this wrong? What would you do? : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] first round of tucson pictures
Steve, These are the best/most interesting photos, of the Tucson personalities! Thanks, ken Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Good morning list.I just uploaded my first set of pictures of the tucson show on my website.You can view them on my 1st tucson page.Let me know what you think.There will be 2 more pages to come.Have a great weekend all. steve arnold,chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Doubtful DaG476 on ebay..
Hi David, Actually he did NOT copy the text from your web site. He copied the header and first three paragraphs verbatim from Erich's web site: http://www.mars.li/DaG476.htm Erich copied his web site from yours! Best, ken newton David Weir wrote: Hi Martin, The text used for this auction was taken from my website without my permission. This fact, together with the fact that it looks nothing like DaG 476 and that the seller has zero feedback, would make me not bid on this item under any circumstances. Buy from a reputable dealer. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Web Site Going Down?
Walter, If the worst happens, don't go with Yahoo. They are incredibly difficult to work with. Best, ken newton # 9632 Walter Branch wrote: Hello Everyone,I am having problems with my website host. They have resorted to questionable business practices and insults and they may (against my wishes) pull the plug on my site at any moment.If anyone wants anything at my site (images or whatever) I would advise you get a copy now. Unless I can get some issues resolved tonight, it may not be there tomorrow.(I do have backups on my hard drive, though)-Walter-- www.branchmeteorites.com
Re: [meteorite-list] hey guys why don't you look to a new meteorite !
Congratulations, It is a beautiful meteorite. It must have been found very shortly after falling. best, kn Michel Franco wrote: Dear list, For those who want to go back to the subject of this list, I propose a have a look at a new meteorite, the 3rd from Chad ! The story on the page. http://www.caillou-noir.com/fortlamy.htm best regards Michel FRANCO __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Today's Tucson show photos
The following are Tucson photos taken by Arizona Keith. I hope Keith does not mind that I lightened the dark photos. http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/temp/tucson2004f.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/temp/tucson2004h.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/temp/tucson2004a.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/temp/tucson2004c.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/temp/tucson2004i.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/temp/tucson2004j.jpg Best kn Arizona Keith wrote: Hello List Just got back from the Tucson show, was only at Blaine Reed room Vagabond Hotel and Al Langheinrich room at the Best Western Executive Inn.I took only a few some quick photo's today, sorry there not greatest quality, poor lighting and people in the way. Blains roomshttp://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/tucson2004b.jpgMike Farmerhttp://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/tucson2004f.jpgHupe and Reedhttp://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/tucson2004h.jpg Dinosaurs room at the Vagabondhttp://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/tucson2004a.jpg http://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/tucson2004c.jpg http://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/tucson2004g.jpg http://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/tucson2004e.jpg http://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/tucson2004d.jpg Bone Cloneshttp://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/tucson2004i.jpg http://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/tucson2004j.jpg Sorry no new photo's of Al Langheinrich room. Thanks for your time and enjoy. KeithChandler, Arizona __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?
Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with "Regards" as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. "Regards" Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? >Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST > > NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? >http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html > > >1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. >2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this >market. > >3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to >Egypt. >4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since >1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. > NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites > >Some serious facts: >- 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target >of >the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: > - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) > - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) >- 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military >attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. >- Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land >between the two countries. >- NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who >prefer >to stay "anonymous". >- The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on >the Algerian border. > > >More info : >http://www.saharamet.com/ > >Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re:[meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?
Pelissons, Although many have reacted negatively to your report, I feel just the opposite. You should expand your definition of NWA meteorites to include all meteorites found in North West Africa instead of undocumented stones bought in Morocco. You never know when those sneaky kidnapper/smuggler/nomads are going to start documenting finds just to increase their terrorist's profits. Thank you for bringing this to the meteorite community's attention. Are you going to set the proper example and to quit your business so there can be no hint of any terrorist support on your part? This is what you have suggested, is it not? I know this is difficult but you don't want to appear hypocritical, do you? If I can help, I will gladly dispose of any or all your desert inventory. Be assured that I will NOT sell to any terrorist. Keep up the good work, and be careful of the desert sun. ken newton P.S. I may even start confiscating suspect stones in Tucson. Thanks for the idea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrong help?
Hi Tom, It may not be metal at all: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/hotrocks.html Best, ken Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello List, My (soon to be ex) mother in law showed me a rock she found in Oklahoma a few years ago. My first impression was cool a iron meteorite! The weight and the appearance was perfect but nothing happened when I got out the magnet. My second guess was lead, but its to hard. A little window revels that it is nice and shiny on the inside. It is not slag, or at least not like any I have seen and I have seen my fair share! Also, it sure looks natural I do not know what's in OK as far as minerals go so I am at a loss. Any ideas, metal that is does not attract a magnet? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: [MeteoriteCollectors] Farmer new diogenite....new?
The moderator is Brice D. Hornback You can contact him by going to Yahoo, clicking on groups, select MeteoriteCollectors, select first or 'Welcome' message of April 2000. best, ken Michael Farmer wrote: Hey everyone, all of you idiots who like Matteo, here is his last email to me. He is mad he is off the list, so he is using another one. Does anyone know who is the moderator of the meteorite collectors list? I do not like being called names on that list either. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] Farmer new diogenitenew? hahhaha...yes yes sure I show the all photos of the meteorites offer to me from moroccan peopleFarmer you not are the unique take meteorites in Morocco, the same for the all mesosiderites offer in this months, I have received in offer a piece in May 2003 in a mineral show here in Italy from a moroccan people, you have few words to say you are the unique to have this material. Ah, probably you are a blind person why in Munich Show many moroccan persons offer rare material for sale...but under the tables, not show over the table for alllast thing, you have the export permit for that diogenite uh? People, the total mass is not 114 gr. but over 2 kg. I have see a piece without crust and full of olivine grains into similar to Johnstown meteorite at 1 year ago offer to me in Bologna Mineral Show, but I not have buy why ask to much, this is the photo of the diogenite.bye bye Farmer return you in your ass hole little child. Ah, for a similar price you put I buy Johhstown, not a normaly NWA diogenite. Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - SHOW US? YAWN, go back down your hole Matteo. Anyway, if anyone has another piece of this Diogenite, show me. That is what I say. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 11:51 PM Subject: [MeteoriteCollectors] Farmer new diogenitenew? I have see others pieces of this diogenite - have offer to me months ago - for a total of 2 kg. mass, in conclusion the 114 gr. is not the total mass Matteo Hello again, I am announcing one of th freshest and most beautiful = Diogenites that I have ever seen. It is almost identical to Johnstown, a = little lighter color.=20 It is NWA 2081.=20 Two small stones with a total weight of only 114 grams were found.=20 The listed pieces are ALL 100% of what is available, the rest was = donated for curation.=20 Diogenites are quite rare, and this one is beautiful.=20 http://www.meteoriteguy.com/nwa2081.htm = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MeteoriteCollectors/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MeteoriteCollectors/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MeteoriteCollectors/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson late accommodations suggestions?
Robert, I just got reservations last night through expedia.com. I made reservations at Rio Rico Resort and Country Club. It is a three star hotel located 54 south of Tucson airport on I-19 (1 hour drive) The hour drive is offset by the $96.00 room rate. The place looks beautiful. Best, ken Matson, Robert wrote: Hi All, I've finally succeeded in clearing up my schedule to allow me to go to Tucson this year. Of course, most hotels within 60 miles of Tucson have been booked for Friday-Saturday nights (6th 7th) for months, so I knew I'd have my work cut out for me. A couple places can still be had for $250+/night, but surely there's something within 40 miles of Tucson for less than that. Someone (Anne?) recently suggested checking into BB's in and around Tucson, but every one of the dozen and a half I've checked so far has been booked. If anyone can suggest a place for under, say, $160/night, I'm all ears... --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cleaning Meteorites
it worked great beings caliche is water soluble And distilled water is considered a solvent. Best, ken Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hi list, Tett said; Just threw a Gao into distilled water to try I had a GB I found that was covered in caliche. I soaked it for 1/2 hour or so and used a nylon brush to scrub the caliche off, it worked great beings caliche is water soluble Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: tett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Dan Wray [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cleaning Meteorites Just threw a Gao into distilled water to try. Since there is no chlorine or other harsh chemicals in distilled water it should be OK. Of course, I will post soak my little Gao in alcohol to drive the water out. Cheers, tett Owen Sound, Ontario - Original Message - From: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Dan Wray [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cleaning Meteorites I personally would not soak my iron bearing meteorites in water, any takers on that one? Dave F. Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hi all, I was once told to just soak the meteorite in distilled water to remove caliche and it worked great! Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Dan Wray mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cleaning Meteorites Sonny and list, I have had success removing caliche/alkali with a bathroom cleaning product called CLR. It is sold to remove calcium, rust and lime. You can watch the action as it bubbles away the coating. I then rinse in water and then in alcohol before drying. This seems to work with no apparent ill effects. If this is not a good idea, I am willing to accept advice from those more chemically astute. Dan Wray COMETS - Original Message - From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 11:52 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Cleaning Meteorites Hi List, What is the best way to remove dirt and caliche/alkali staining from meteorites? Thanks, Sonny __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ESA discovers water on mars
Super photo. The higher elevation features also look as if they has been eroded or washed down hill. best, ken Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems wrote: I find this picture of special interest: http://www.esa.int/export/externals/images/ob_22_reull_v.jpg I am just a layman interpreting this picture, but what else than water or a liquid could have created this river like structure? Bernhard . -Original Message- From:mark ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 1:34 PM To:Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] ESA discovers water on mars Mars water found, morehere : http://www.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/index.html -Original Message- From: Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:23 January 200412:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] ESA discovers water on mars Just a quick note that Mars Express has detected and verified frozen water on the mars south pole. Which is in my opinion the most important discovery of spaceflight so far. Bernhard The information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person, copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose.
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about ...
Hi, It is just a suspicious rock until Mr. Rodriqez has it properly verified and classified by a classifying institution. Your question should be directed to him. He should take the same steps everyone else does. An inexperienced Florida analyst issued a meteorite certificate. He had never seen a meteorite except in pictures. Amazingly, he claimed a piece of 'power station chimney build-up' (removed by cleaning) was 'a meteorite' due to iron and nickel content. If it is genuine, let the experts describe it. I'm suspicious of anyone who wants recognition without going through the proper steps. Best, ken #9632 Bernard \Rendelius\ Rems wrote: I got a news submission for Wolrd of Meteorites, concerning the sale of a litosiderite what the hell is this? Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Finding Bits Of Mars On Earth
Charlie, Amazing! Well done! (Hupes are now packing their thermal underwear:) Best, Ken Charlie Devine wrote: Hard to believe I'm the only one interested in an answer to this curious statement by a scientist who collects meteorites in Antarctica. But I did a little digging and got the answer. It is perfectly legal for private parties to collect meteorites in Antarctica. Regards, Charlie Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Finding Bits Of Mars On Earth Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:43:18 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Devine) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ron Baalke) CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Meteorite Mailing List) Ron and list, Towards the end of this article, one of the scientists expresses concern that private expeditions will beat the scientific expeditions back to the LaPaz ice field next year. He is quoted as saying: The expeditions who use our information to help a tourist pick up a meteorite and lock it away in a private collection, it's a travesty to me.' How long has this been going on? Is it gong on? I thought the Antarctic was off limits to private hunters? Regards, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What NASA doesn't want us to see.....
I think I saw that movie on MST 3000 : Caffeine Starved Women from Mars :) See the Press Release Images for 07-Jan-2004. http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20040107a.html I did find it interesting, that the close-up photos (Air bag Trails-2- small large images ) were spliced. Look about one sixth of the image width, from right side of photo. (Splice runs from top to bottom) Why splice a close-up photo and not just crop it a little less wide? (Also, check out the tear shaped 'meteorock.') best, ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hm. http://www.xouout.com/mars.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] classification
Dr. Monica M. Grady mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mineralogy Department The Natural History Museum Cromwell Road London SW7 5BD, United Kingdom (Suggest you make contact before sending any samples) kn #9632 http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs1.html Tim Gingell wrote: HiCan anyone tell me if there is anywhere in Scotland or the UK than can do the tests for classifying meteorites as I've got a few that haven't been classified yet and also what is the turnaround time on these. RegardsTim __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] First negative feedbacks to the Galaxy dealer
Bill, I think you have it backwards. You defend someone who sells fake meteorites in the Meteorite Section of ebay. Then you attempt to label anyone who tries to educate or help others. Even going to the point of belittling the Hupes' meteorite accounts. It appears form my perspective that the " just plain hateful" one is sitting at your computer terminal. I truly hope I am wrong. ken newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's sickening that people buy from this person just to complain. Any damn fool can see from his adds that this stuff isn't meteoric. Seems like there's more Matteo types out there than I ever suspected. Just plain hateful. Bill Kieskowski > Well well.but probably it has not learned the > lesson inasmuch as it continues to put in sale > this fakes > > http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItemsuserid=golfyxinclud > e=0since=-1sort=3rows=50 > > http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedbackuserid=golfyx > > regards > > Matteo > > > = > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato > Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: > http://www.mcomemeteorite.info > International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 > MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] item SUPER SALE 4 X-Mas !!
Finkle's motto: Authenticity? Of course it's real, I made it myself. Other Finkle creations: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2197446047 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2197444027 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2207773592 Please note that Mr. Finkle has sold fake Park Forest and Odessa shale as meteorites. (Don't forget the legendary Odessa Gold Meteorite - now there is a story for the grand kids) However, I must say one good thing. He does hold the record for the most auctions closed by ebay. Newbies take note! kn MARK BOSTICK wrote: Hello David, Timothy and list, Perhaps Timothy could update the list on his Finkleite? :-0 Mark - Original Message - From: David Freeman Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:10 PM To: Timothy Finkle Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] item SUPER SALE 4 X-Mas !! Dear List; Is this the same Finkle fella' that was selling very suspect parts of the Odessa crater? Seems that was a big black eye I thought. Dave Freeman IMCA3864 Timothy Finkle wrote: Hello List, Were celebrating our 1 yr anniv here with a super, super sale! (Don't miss this 1) I listed items like a 171+ lbs Campo del Cielo, 71+ Odessa, 19 gram Gujba, 64.5 gram Glorieta Slice etch on both sides along with many other hard to find irons. Over 10,000.00 worth of meteorites, no problem!! Merry X-mas!! This is the big one =-) Cheers, Timothy Finkle http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2207762223category=3239rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2207762223category=3239rd=1 Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://us.rd.yahoo.com/slv/mailtag/*http://companion.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Seven New Galaxy Class Meteorites on eBay
Andre, Several years ago Ebay suggested they may remove all meteorite auctions. Whether they were serious or not, no one wanted/wants that to happen. So, I.M.C.A. was born. While I.M.C.A. cannot prevent the sale of wrongs, it does provides a safe haven for meteorite transactions. (20-25% of the meteorite auctions are IMCA members') Education and expert opinions are for the members' asking. Why ebay is so slow to eliminate blatant dishonest sellers (as Sterling documented) is strange. But ebay will never prevent the auction of wrongs. Bidders can only be better informed by education. It is up to us to spread the knowledge. Sellers can encourage new purchasers to join I.M.C.A., Members can share what they've learned when the opportunity presents itself. Recently Dave Freeman was on ktv2 Salt Lake City for a morning and evening meteorite spot and he displayed his IMCA logo. ( Way to go Dave!) The problem is Mis-identification and some fraud, the solution is education. Each has to think that I am the solution, now how can I help and have fun at the same time Who would like to see your meteorite collection? Have you thought about sharing your knowledge with others? Can you make a talk outline? What grade or class would you like to share meteorite info? What can I do? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2205773844 Best, Ken Newton IMCA# 9632 Deborah Martin wrote: I have a suggestion regarding the spate of meteowrongs on eBay. I too encountered problems with eBay when a non-meteoritic transaction went awry. I did get my money back but lost on the exchange rate and my time being wasted. Throughout it all, eBay was useless, comparing itself to a newspaper where people publish classified ads. Clearly, eBay's main concern is to deflect its responsibility unto someone else. So, how about if the knowledgeable members of this list contact USA Today and CNN and regale them with a list of these incidents including Sterling Webb's excellent statistical analysis reprinted below ? Perhaps the negative publicity would shame eBay into doing the right and even listening to experts in various fields when a questionable object is put up for auction (I'm certain the concept of the weteowrong is present in many other types of products offered on eBay). Also, someone from the American Justice Department might become aware of the situation and get the point across to eBay that even if you claim loud and often that you have no responsibility, that does not necessarily make it so. My 0.02 CAD Andre Bordeleau Hi, The real topic here is feedback on eBay and its effect (or lack of it) on bad sellers. Negative feedback, even massive amounts of it, will not necessarily stop a seller of less than perfect honesty. Last spring, I made the mistake of impulsively buying an item I stumbled on to just before auction close -- no time to check feedback -- but the seller had a positive feedback rating in the thousands; why worry? Ah, well, he also had negative feedbacks by the thousands, too. He had over 26% negative feedbacks (about 1600!), all with the same complaint as mine turned out to be: took the money, never mailed the item. I wrote him lots of emails; I filed complaints with eBay; I filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau in his state. Nothing. eBay was useless against this guy. I send them statistical summaries of his feedbacks, showing that this was a long-term pattern of behavior. I wanted them to get him off the site, shut him down, or at least suspend him for a while. They were not interested in moving against anybody who was generating that much income in eBay fees, clearly. About four months into trying to get my money back (or product delivered), I sent a fat email with documentation to the State's Attorney of his home state with an inquiry as to whether this was their jurisdiction or should I send this to the U.S. Justice Department's Internet Fraud office. The next day, I got a refund from the guy. Took 127 days. This seller (name withheld to protect the guilty) is still selling on eBay today. He has over 400 items up right now. Now that eBay shows the percentage of positive feedbacks, you might think someone like this would be in trouble with potential buyers. No, eBay calculates that percentage you see for each seller on the basis of ONLY the most recent negative feedbacks against the total positives for the entire history of the seller, yielding a meaninglessly high percentage. So, this seller shows a 96%+ rating right now, even though for the past 1 month, his positive percentage is 89%, for the last 6 months, 87%, and for the last 12 months, only 74%. This means that the positive feedback percentage you see on eBay item listings is, if not statistically fraudulent, at the very least misleading. A 99.9% rating could mean a seller who has always been great, or it could mean a
Re: [meteorite-list] Chixculub material testing results
So much for those $20.00 nickel tests sold on ebay that the finder used. The finder is ALSO the ebay SELLER of those nickel tests kits! Thank you very much for this valuable info. Best, ken newton # 9632 Adam Hupe wrote: Dear List Members, After a long afternoon and evening at the University of Washington the results are in. It should come as no surprise that the Chixulub material turned out to be a terrestrial. It was found to be Geothite and Hematite in combination with no nickel. So much for those $20.00 nickel tests sold on ebay that the finder used. Some other material from Northwest Africa that was tested turned out to be very interesting so all was not a loss in the lab today. This, once again, proves the importance of insisting that suspected meteorites be tested before making a purchasing decision. As long as people bid on meteorite wrongs they will continue to be listed. In this case one specimen was put up for sale and sold so three more were listed soon afterwards and also sold. It looks like four people are entitled to a refund, the best of luck. Our advice is to stop bidding on untested material. Wishing everybody well, Adam and Greg Hupe IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [meteorite-list]How to etch meteorites
Rene, See: http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/November/meteorites_101.htm Best, ken newton #9632 Hello, I just sliced some Campo del Cielo meteorite and I am trying to etch it...what would you recommend as an etchant. Sorry for the wrong spelling in my first post. Thanks, Rene E. Roy www.geocities.com/royknives __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chicxulub Meteorite
Dave, A better example is here: (more ridiculous excuses) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2200664192 I wrote Mr. Shomin and asked how he got the material. he wrote: "I took a trip to cancun, then took a car trip to Chicxulub - used a magnet for final separation fron beach sand, then did a nickel test at home. Magnification reveales more detail like shiny metal flakes metal balls from heat - most samples have native soil stuck to it, my results are open to the jugdement of others with better equipment. While i do have a 2 week return policy if any customer would complain i would refund at any time. Fair? If you can get a hold of better equipment i would be willing to send you a free sample for evaluation. Bernie M-M" I suggested (1) tell the truth to the bidders and (2) send a sample to NEMS to first verify if was meteoritic. He added the addendum but didn't send any to NEMS. (He indicated it was because he had less than a gram) Sorry, he should have done this before putting any up for sale. So there is no meteoritic verification, much less an actual Chicxulub meteorite as advertised. Secondly, Steve Schoner found this article saying that drill samplings show that the meteorite was probably a carbonaceous chondrite. Even this small sample was fossilized. There is no proof that any original meteorite still exits other than the iridium layer. http://www.nature.com/nsu/981126/981126-1.html Best, ken newton #9632 Dave Harris wrote: Hi folks, I would be grateful for a bit of input re this eBAy item below. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2200663512 What has impressed me is that there is no Frass rant, or BCC rant or Mo Yousef insistance. This is a good start for a scientific discussion as already we haven't got our backs up over this! thoughts please!!! very best dave IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Meteorite that panicked a Nation
All, Last evening marked the passing of an event that occurred Sixty-five years ago. Even though many of us were not yet born, we have all heard of about the panic associated with this event. If you had turned your radio on just after 8' o'clock to your favorite CBS station you would be entertained by Ramon Raquello and his orchestra when the show was interrupted by a special report from Intercontinental Radio News. The bulletin was to let people know that scientists had noticed explosions on the surface of Mars, and that something was flying towards the earth at an incredible speed. After the announcement the music began again. Then another news report came on. This time to inform the audience that a huge, flaming object, believed to be a meteorite had fallen to earth at Grovers Mill, New Jersey. At Grovers Mill it was realized that the object was not a meteorite. Eventually, a huge creature with a drooling V-shaped mouth emerged from the object, zapped the people dead, and torched the field with its heat-ray. And the horror continued Listeners thought they were tuning in live reports from the scene but were actually hearing Orson Welles and the Mercury Theater on the Air with their updated version of H.G. Wells' sci-fi novel The War of the Worlds. The War of the Worlds broadcast terrified people from coast to coast. Families fled their homes, covering their mouths with handkerchiefs trying not to breathe the harmful black gas. People packed into churches. Roads leading out of cities were jammed with cars. People across the nation thought they were going to die. It is estimated that over six million people listened to that broadcast, and close to two million thought it was a news bulletin. For more info see: movie The Night that panicked America http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/warworlds/warw.html http://www.waroftheworlds.org/the_broadcast.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Check this ebay add out!!!
The guy's name is Robert Vocum. He has not answered my email either. He was to busy to talk when I called No one has bid on his expensive glob of rust, oops, I mean 'atmoshphere entry burns and survival personality' meteorite. :) Why would this guy start a new corp.(Comstockmeteorites Inc) just to sell 'wrongs' when he already had PROSPECTOR AND TREASURE HUNTERS HEADQUARTERS INC.? Amazing!!! Comstock.itinaholeandcoveritup, ken Robert Verish wrote: To all that are concerned: Forget the eBay auction!! This seller isellmeteorites (nohedoesn't) has had a web site for some time, now, under the name ComstockMeteorites.com (800)-474-7284 http//www.ComstockMeteorites.com where numerous desert-varnished terrestrial rocks have been offered for sale as meteorites. My suggestion is, should you have any questions about ComstockMeteorites business practices, feel free to contact them directly on their website or phone number. But don't interfere with any seller's eBay auctions, and risk causing problems for the rest of us. - [meteorite-list] Check this ebay add out!!! Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:52:11 -0700 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Garza Impact Display and Other Concerns Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2194471420 Thanks, Tom __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Junk in, Junk out, or No-named OrphanStep Children need love too
I agree! ken newton John Gwilliam wrote: Nicely put Brother Freeman...you're a class act. Best, John Gwilliam At 10:09 AM 10/4/03 -0600, David Freeman wrote: Dear List, Bernd, Dean Bessy; I feel the need to apologize for offering to another collector the option of purchasing marbles as an alternative to buying even lessor lessor-priced meteorites. I was wrong...at least in the eyes of one (myself), well, maybe two. I seemed to feel that another list respondents use of the words cheap and junk in referring to NWA's and his asking for what seemed to be an offer to purchase/offer nothing for something was a low blow to the meteorite hunters and collectors of the world. If NWA's are continually looked upon by some as nothing less than clutter, why do so many in the hot deserts even go out to search? We have been blessed as collectors to have been provided with this abundance to our hobby and business.This attitude of junk and cheap is a blight to our love of ALL meteorites, regardless of origin or pedigree status. I see the term inexpensively priced, or even affordable run of the mill meteorites as not nearly as degrading. Is it the meteorite's choice in falling to hot sands or on a southern polar ice cap? What meteorite would wish to impact a car, or even a house so it could be cherished more? Bah! If any meteorite is not worth it's value, then why ask for any value at all? I too love yard sales but would not insult a proprietor by offering to take something of value for nothing. I have, once coined the phrase no-named orphan step child in reference to unclassified NWA's. At one time, I even publicly endorsed a self ban on purchasing any meteorite with out a real home until more field data could have the opportunity to be collected.Even stray puppies need love and sustenance. The seemingly (and not true) perception of the abundant / infinite NWA's with (dirt) cheap and junk associations is not reality, and that perception is, and continues to be, further pain in many circles. One day, in the future, those with a sence of humor will muse at this time and hopefully have pause for a chuckle (if they had purchased at fair value those no-named orphan step children, reasonable and affordably priced stellar visitors of the hot sand deserts). Indeed, some NWA's come in a number of packages, some being under the value added title of Lunar and Martian meteorites. I would ask of those who would like to aquire NWA's and other hot desert meteorites with less than debutante status to refrain from asking dealers publicly to supply them with a source for cheap and junk anything, especially meteorites, despite their status...or in this case, lack of. Junk in, junk out I still do feel that those wanting to get cheap or junk anything should alter their direction to collecting marbles as they have in my opinion, lost a few of their own somewhere along the way. A buyers willingness to actively participate in an honest and fair value market exchange directly reflects up on that persons integrity in any proposed transaction. Not only does the seller know the value of his wares but the reverse is true also, the buyer knows the value of what he wishes to purchase. Sincerely, Dave Freeman __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: rust, cleaning, and silicone
Mark, Actually you would want to do the reverse. Pump the air OUT of the vessel. This would cause the solution to permeate the meteorite immediately. Best, ken newton mark ford wrote: Steve, Just a thought really, six months is a long time!, I was wondering if there would (in theory), be a way of speeding up the process? What about warming up the solution or putting the whole thing into a pressure vessel and pumping it up? could any of these idea's help the process to work quicker? Mark Ford -Original Message- From: Steve Schoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 September 2003 16:52 To: Stephen McMann; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: rust, cleaning, and silicone --- Stephen McMann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Dear List, A quick question regarding rust. I have been mulling over a simple strategy for the long term care of my SAs (and other meteorites). Right now it seems that a good strategy is to give the SAs an alcohol and NaOH treatment to dispose of the Cl- from fingerprints etc., and otherwise keep them with VCIs and dessicant. A possible complication is that several of my SAs were once wiped with a silicone gun cloth (by me). However, for the alcohol and NaOH treatment to be most effective I assume that the silicone coating should go. What is a good method for removing such a coating? Will the alcohol and NaOH remove it? If anyone has some thoughts about this, I would be interested in them. Hopefully I am asking for information that is not just waiting in the archives. Sincerely, Stephen McMann -- NaOH with alcohol should remove it. Mix alcohol 70% with 40% or more of distilled water to avoid a layer of brine. If such a lay forms keep adding just enough water to eliminate that layer then the solution will be ready for soaking specimens. Currently, I am soaking several meteorites. A big 158 lb Campo for Darryl Pitt, a small slice of Brenham, an end piece of Doronio, and a slice of Brahin for Matteo. All of these had advanced rusting problems. The large Campo has been soaking for 6 months in 25 quarts of solution, it should soon be ready for removal and drying in another month or so. If the flaking has stopped the specimen will be cured. The smaller pieces were treated with a coating, and the rust was quite bad. In fact two of the samples had fallen appart, and part of my process is to put them back together. Once the rusting is cured, after soaking these pieces for a month, reconstruction can be done with some patience. (Currently, at this point in my life I have lots of time). I will post the results. But again, yes, the NaOH will get through any coating that is on the specimen. In fact it will even soften a thick epoxy coating softening it like rubber which peels off. I have treated SA's before, and the fusion crust is not harmed other than the specific areas that are rusting with chlorides. These spots turn into dark brown oxides. But the oxide is very thin and superficial and with a tooth brush comes off to reveal the original surface underneath. Steve Schoner http://www.geocities.com/american_meteorite_survey __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Deans BL:Mike Farmers Links:Steve Arnolds Mayan piece
About Deans BL 'rites.Anyone got a picture or two,would love to get a look?I missed this one.Have a vague memory of them being on ebay but must have been a bad time financially for me or I didn't appreciate their intrinsic beauty.Thanks Since were are sharing NWA photos... Here is BL #10 (180 grams) http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/BL/bl10a.JPG http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/BL/BL10f.jpg Best, Ken http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs1.html P.S. Nice to meet you Jim, hope to hear more from you. jim wrote: Hello list I'd like to start by introducing myself formally as I don't believe I did.My name is Jim Brady and I live in Belfast,Ireland(technically Northern Ireland but let's not get political) and I've been interested in astronomy for many many years since I was a young lad.About 3 or 4 years ago I got a computer and discovered the wonderful world of meteorites.The first picture that really blew me away was a 350 gram or so polished slice of Glorietta Mountain on Mike Farmers old site.I was amazed and totally hooked.Bought my first few pieces from Mike(including an exquisite slice of Esquell) and then discovered other dealers also and picked up lots of goodies(small slice of Cumberland Falls from Rob Elliot is another favourite).Mike, I'd like to be able to click on your links and go straight to your auctions without messing about looking for them but your links never work.I've tried adding on the end bit of the link that doesn't come up with blue hypertext but this doesn't work either.Can you look into this please?Anyone else experiencing this or am I on my own? About Deans BL 'rites.Anyone got a picture or two,would love to get a look?I missed this one.Have a vague memory of them being on ebay but must have been a bad time financially for me or I didn't appreciate their intrinsic beauty.Thanks Steve Arnolds mayan ruins---h.It's almost 2:00pm here on tuesday afternoon and this piece of artifact has an hour and a half or so to go with no bids yet(thankfully say I).This just rubs me the wrong way,I was going to bite my tongue but the thought of some tourist coming over to my part of the world and taking any piece of ancient ruin to sell on ebay is more than slightly depressing.Steve,bring it back next time you visit :-) I've been thinking of going to the Munich show in November as a little birthday treat to myself.Can anyone enlighten me about possible dealers who might be at the show,bargains to look out for there? thank you respectfully yours Jim __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter
John, I have several emails from various peoples in Africa and elsewhere wanting my US bank account number. For this they generously promise millions of dollars. But, I can't take unfair advantage of these good people. Perhaps we could forward their emails to Mrs. Cheung. She could trade her meteorite from Jupiter for millions in her bank account! And everyone gets what they deserve.;} Best, Ken John Gwilliam wrote: Hello List, In this morning's mail, I received an unusual letter from a Mrs. Cheung in Alamo, California. The letter says they are contacting me (the recipient of the letter) for a friend who wants some help selling some meteorites in her possession. It goes on to say that some of the stones have already been identified as meteorites by the Bishop Museum in Honolulu. They list five different samples that have been identified by the museum and they list densities for the specimens but no weights. Here is the interesting information in the letter. In addition to the samples she has given us some photographs of the meteorites. During a conversation with her, one of the meteorites was identified as coming from the planet Jupiter. Imagine that, a meteorite from Jupiter! If anyone wants to pursue this, let me know and I'll give you the contact information;-) Best, John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Odessa Crater
Teresa, Bob Rice is the curator. His number is 915-381-0946. If you can't reach him, let me know. Ken Newton IMCA #9632 Teresa Moss wrote: Does anyone have a contact at the Odessa Meteor Crater Visitor Center. I have made multiple attempts to contact the visitors center, but have had no luck whatsoever. This telephone number is the only contact information I have: 432-381-0946. I would appreciate any help you can offer. Teresa Moss Oscar E. Monnig Meteorite Gallery -- Teresa Moss Director, Monnig Meteorite Gallery Texas Christian University Box 298830 Fort Worth, Texas 76129 Phone: 817-257-MARS (6277) FAX: 817-257-7789 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AW: Meteorite Found In Israel
Norbert, I don't recognize that asteroid either. Perhaps it is a typo. I do recognize Gabriel Shaked. He had that really neat astronomical online encyclopedia. He shut it down about a year ago due to copyright conflicts with David Weir. Best, ken newton Norbert Classen wrote: Hi all, There's another paragraph in this article that kindled my interest. Quote: A member of the vehicle's team, Gabriel Shaked, who was one of the people who discovered the stone, said yesterday that the test showed that it was a fragment of Asteroid HAVH-6, a rocky heavenly object that departed from its orbit between the sun and Jupiter, and broke up. The original asteroid approaches the earth once every three years. Has anyone ever heard of this particular asteroid HAVH-6, and it's connection to any known class of meteorites? Did I miss something? Any input on this alledged PB would be highly appreciated. All the best, Norbert __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Quality Scam! Beware! [Fwd: eBay Security Check]
Mark, Thanks for the correction. I just sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, the email contained no virus, but it does send your ebay name password to Romania if you fill in the blanks... That is bad enough :) ken newton Mark Miconi wrote: Ken, The actual email to forward this to is [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Ebay will send it through if you used [EMAIL PROTECTED] but the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is for when another ebay user spams you about their auctions through ebays mail system. Thanks for the heads up. Mark M. - Original Message - From: magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:45 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Quality Scam! Beware! [Fwd: eBay Security Check] All, Sorry for this being OT, but I just got this scam in the mail. The quality is EXCELLENT. It is so good, I had to check the header - Bucharest, Romania Newbies take note! Best, ken newton (PS - Yes, I did forward this [EMAIL PROTECTED]) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Did meteorite slam Oakland? Field Report
Maria, Thanks so much for the follow-up. The Press is quick to publish anyone's 'meteorite' story, but rarely follows up when it is often discovered to be a wrong. (No reflection on Ron Baalke, who does an excellent job on keeping us informed) I hope the trip wasn't too exhausting :) Best, ken newton maria nelson wrote: Hi All, Armed with my digital camera, four of my five meteorites, and chips of a rare-earth magnet, I went out to Davisburg today to scope out the impact crater. While I wasn't quite sure what I'd do when I got there (I'm really new at this), it became instantly clear when I approached the TV news van parked in the lot. During the interview (on camera) I was informed that the crater was created by the exhaust pipe of a fire truck. It was pretty comical but the reporter did let me show all of the meteorites I brought (some had Mike Farmer's card still in the bag). Even though they didn't air that part, they did air a cool part of the interview. I was asked if the lengthy drive was worth it and I responded: Yes, it was worth it. If this had been a meteorite we'd be holding space rocks right now! Anyway, my first field expedition and report is now complete and I used up about 15 seconds of my remaining 8 minutes of fame on a very worthy cause. Space Rocks Rule, Maria ;) - Original Message - From: Maria Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:19 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Did meteorite slam Oakland? URL: http://www.detnews.com/2003/metro/0308/12/c01-242704.htm Did meteorite slam Oakland? By Tom Greenwood / The Detroit News DAVISBURG -- Live long and prosper -- and duck! The Road Commission for Oakland County may have had a close encounter of the shooting-star kind when what appears to be a meteorite hit one of its maintenance facilities over the weekend. It happened sometime on Sunday when the yard was locked up and no one was working, road commission spokesman Craig Bryson said. Two workers came in Monday morning and found an impact crater outside the main garage near the employee parking lot. When they told me about it, I thought they were kidding. What's next? We've hired Bigfoot as a snowplow driver? Bryson said the object left a 12-inch-by-18-inch-by-3-inch crater in the lot, which may not seem impressive until one learns that the crater is in 6 inches of asphalt. The edges of the crater are seared black, and there's a fan-shaped debris field spread out all around the site, Bryson said. One of our employees is an amateur astronomer, and he said it looks like every impact crater he's ever seen. There is a good chance it was a meteorite, said David Batch, director of the Abrams Planetarium at Michigan State University. It's possible, although the description of the crater having charred edges bothers me a bit, Batch said. It could have been debris falling from a plane, although there's been no reports of anything like that. Fireworks are a possibility, but it would have to be a very strong explosion to have made that big a hole in asphalt. The best thing to do is to have the site examined and have the debris analyzed. Meteorites usually fall into one of three compositional categories: nickel/iron, stone and stone mixed with iron, Batch said. They enter the upper atmosphere at 40 miles per second but are greatly slowed by friction. If this was a meteorite, it was probably about the size of a fist or larger, Batch said. Workers have marked off the crater with orange cones. We're going to have our amateur astronomer contact some scientists and have them take a look, Bryson said. But what the heck? What else could it be? You can reach Tom Greenwood at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or (313) 222-2023. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: New Blood: Not Just the Job of Dealers
Steve, Well done! Reasonable request! If I had some small pieces they would be yours. Best, kn #9632 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Great Ball Of Fire Lights Up New Zealand Sky
No one had been killed by a meteor but in 1911 one was blamed for causing the death of a dog, he said. Uh oh. (that dog will never die!:) kn Ron Baalke wrote: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2600500a11,00.html Great ball of fire lights up Aucklanders' lives www.stuff.co.nz 06 August 2003 A spectacular fireball blazed across the northern sky yesterday, a piece of the more than 30,000 tonnes of the normally invisible space junk that hits Earth each year. Observers in Auckland and from as far away as Whangarei described a flaming, bright-red fireball with a long white tail shooting across the sky from the northeast just before 6pm. One man in Auckland suburb Orakei, who reported the sight to One Tree Hill Stardome Observatory, said the meteor appeared to remain bright as it disappeared over the horizon. Another man, who was driving towards the Auckland Harbour Bridge, said it was amazing. I saw the white light first and then it flared into a green flash. I've never seen a green like it before. Stardome spokeswoman Angela Doherty said the fireball, described as having a lingering white tail, was a piece of either human space junk or space rock that wandered just a bit too close to Earth. Wellington's Carter Observatory spokesman John Field said it would be difficult to gauge the size of the meteor but said it could have been as big as a fist or the size of a person's head. No one had been killed by a meteor but in 1911 one was blamed for causing the death of a dog, he said. Most space debris simply fell harmlessly and invisibly to the ground, heating up and burning as it entered the atmosphere before dropping to earth. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thailand Mekong River Meteorites (?)
Last year, 'silkarrow' aka 'asianartifacts888' discovered when selling 'Nepal Adzes' by simply adding 'meteorite' to the description, his final auction price doubled or tripled. This year he is repeating his success with his 'Mekong River Meteorite'. (Hum, a meteorite in a river for years and it shows no hint of rust? Neat Trick!) The seller does not know meteorites. He has not returned my emails when I have asked him for the results of further test he promised to try on the Adzes. Buyer Beware! Ken Newton # 9632 Mike Groetz wrote: Hello- Happy rainy, muggy Sunday afternoon from here in Ohio. I think the grass has been greener here than I have ever seen in August. Could anyone please tell me a little of the Thailand Mekong River meteorites showing up on Ebay? Has anyone purchased one, had one authenticated or know anything about them? They are tempting- but after being tumbled in a river for years I have to wonder what they really are. Thank You. Have a nice afternoon. Mike Groetz __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Crow Eaters - Last Meal
All, I noticed Mr. Ray's auctioned ended with the reserve not met. And he has removed the reserved for a final 5th auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2185527219 The high bid is currently $1.25 Best, ken newton __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Link
Thanks Matteo, My faith in human nature is somewhat restored. The author of this Elma 'wrong' page learned a great deal about meteorite identification from the Hupes. I am glad to know that Elmaites CAN be educated! I was beginning to think the whole town was 'meteorite challenged'. The Elma sellers on ebay have displayed no reasoning ability what-so-ever. Best, ken newton http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/updates.html M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: Hello all look here http://www.bradyhart.com/elmameteorishthings.html regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Apparent Meteorite Lands In Washington?
Hi, How fortunate that these bored high schoolers not only saw the flaming meteor but correctly calculated its' trajectory and impact site, called police, and in the dark, still arrived in enough time to burn their hands! How efficient are todays' youth! (I wonder if they are this competent in cleaning their rooms?) And how thoughtful of the meteor to fall near their high school! I especially liked, only to discover several tiny craters filled with the still-hot rocks. However, after seeing the photo, I'm sure that these are genuine Canard fragments. Best, Ken Newton http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/news1.html Matson, Robert wrote: http://www.komotv.com/stories/26061.htm Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High School Lot The pebbles in the picture do not, by themselves, look very promising to my eye. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [Fwd: Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High School Lot]
The following is from a reply from Scott Sistek KOMO Weather Producer in Washington---BeginMessage--- Hi Ken, I'll have them check it out, but we had two independent witnesses who e-mailed us saying they saw a firery streak across the sky as well at the right time -- one in Tenino and one in Monroe. Three other experts are on the scene today with our reporter and they seem to agree it was a meteorite too, so all signs point to it being legit :) Sincerely, Scott Sistek KOMO Weather Producer -Original Message- From: magellon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 2:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High School Lot Gentlemen: I enjoyed your article about the teens finding a meteorite. After seeing the picture and reading the entire story, I fear you and the Daily World to be victims of a hoax I will not go into detail at this time, but the story is not consistent with meteorite falls. Pict is not of fresh meteorites. Best, Ken Newton http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/mepage.html ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High School Lot]
Hoax? I think it is more of a case of the fireball falling several 10's or 100's of miles away, and they mistakenly assumed rocks they found nearby were meteorites from that fireball. This is a very common occurance when fireballs are sighted. This is true. Perhaps one young man also 'mistakenly assumed' he burned his hands on the tiny rocks? (Sorry, but I remember the hoaxes I pulled as a teenager :) Best, Ken Newton Ron Baalke wrote: Gentlemen: I enjoyed your article about the teens finding a meteorite. After seeing the picture and reading the entire story, I fear you and the Daily World to be victims of a hoax I will not go into detail at this time, but the story is not consistent with meteorite falls. Pict is not of fresh meteorites. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite or meteorwrong??
Mark, It is a Type 3 auction.(see link) Best, ken http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs1.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Sellers list, eBay name change
All, Thanks to those who replied to me off line. The problem is greater than I expected and goes beyond the List and ebay. I checked with some AOL users who do not even subscribe to any type of list or ebay and they have had increasing spam coming directly to their email address starting about 45 days ago... Sorry for being OT. Best, Ken magellon wrote: Mark, I too have been getting a tremendous amount of spam since June. How about others? Best, Ken http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/magellon/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Sellers list, eBay name change
Mark, I too have been getting a tremendous amount of spam since June. How about others? Best, Ken http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/magellon/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] usps insurance is fraud
Harlan, I only had one claim for $45.00, and was promptly paid by the post office. Had it been more money I may not have gotten it so quickly!? Best, Ken harlan trammell wrote: we all buy insurance to ship our skyrox. but it is really for peace-of-mind only- a big waste of money. when the _ _it hits the fan, you are as lost as somone in a molasses canoe or an astronaut in space with no fuel left and no air. anybody ever ACTUALLY collect insurance money from the post office on a loss from the usps...? i didn't think so. usps insurance is aCOMPLETE WASTE of MONEY- just read the form to file a claim. you have to have the item , the receipt, etc.. oh, the item! that means , you have to send it BACK to the sender and they then say it was damaged THEN not during the shipping when you RECEIVED it - therefore, it can NEVER be tendered properly for a claim - a self-perpetuating KOP-OUT to avoid paying a claim- get it?! suppose you DO get it all together and go waltzing into a p.o.- they just laugh!! after that, it goes before a review board to determine if it was PACKED right before a claim is paid. 99.99% you did not pack it right (and there are no written, standards for packing or a way to verify that was indeed packed right before sending anyway)and they say forget it. and if you are one of the lotto winners who does get a claim, they give you depreciated value less fees from stupid government assessed value chart. in other words , you have no recourse whatsoever . so don't waste your money. use fed ex. the private sector is ALWAYS better than ANYTHING government. -- STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NP Article, 07-1896 Meteorite Kills Children, Brings Rain
Mike, Mark and All, Actually there are lots of News articles of meteorite fatalities. The question is Are they true? This news article may help: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2003-March/018369.html When there is no meteoritic evidence on record, I catalogue it as false. Best, ken http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/news1.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New fall from China recovered
David, Congrats... WOW! An extraordinary cherished treasure! Thanks for sharing the pict! ken David Hardy wrote: Hello all, I just returned from 2 1/2 weeks in southeast China recovering a fall (on or about Sept. 10, 2002) from Chenzhou in Hunan province. TKW is 7.6 kg, sorry all will remain with me. I have a couple of pix posted at: http://davidhardy1.tripod.com/xia/id1.html David Hardy __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites
Walter Branch wrote: Pretty funny (and sad at the same time). It Soitenly Is! ken Walter Branch wrote: Dang, Ken, initially I thought your post was for real. Then I saw the first picture. Pretty funny (and sad at the same time). -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Miguel Angel del Buono [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites Dr. Buono, I have to agree that your plea for assistance is justified. Thieves that stole a 6,000 kilo meteorite (13.2 tons) on April9/10 and left a concrete replica are no ordinary thieves! The Argentine police are probably no match for this type of criminal. http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/_images/dizzy.jpg The first thing is to look for is a disguised meteorite traveling out of the country! (Distribute pictures of the concrete replica) Have any pickup trucks crossed the border with unusually large produce? A gigantic ear of corn or humongus squash or monster cucumber, etc.? Or they might try a sign saying 13 ton ordinary rock. (Or perhaps the concrete replica is just a shell covering the real meteorite until the 'heat dies down') WOW! (perhaps it would be a good idea to check on large purchases of concrete made before the theft) I can understand the memory of this plagues you, because it is so embarrassing but you are right to ask for help. You should not feel ashamed that your government cares so little that they leave these national treasures lying unprotected in a field. Do not feel bad that your university did not take the initiative to get permission to display this meteorite in a protective environment. I understand that it IS easier to blame others who are actually protecting and enhancing the meteoritic community rather than yourself. UPDATE: This just in - a pict of three suspicious characters: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/_images/loco.jpg Do these guys look like persons you've seen recently sincerely, ken newton Miguel Angel del Buono wrote: I also remember a meteorite of 6 to 8 tons was stolen from Campo del Cielo. You can see the picture in this page http://www.diarionorte.com/2003/mayo/030504/interior.htm Thank you for your cooperation. Dr. Miguel A. del Buono Universidad Nacional del Nordeste Resistencia - Chaco - Argentina _ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.yupimsn.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NP Article, 12-14 1915 Large Meteorite Kills Three Dogs
Mark and List, This sounds like a word-of-mouth story after being passed through a dozen persons. (If compared to the first version, it is barely recognizable.) How can the person driving the sled dogs also be traveling about fifty feet behind the sled...? Why was he not on the sled? What are the chances of a meteor/ite hitting a telegraph line and the lone telegraph repairman in remote Alaska? More likely he was checking or installing the lines and ventured to close to someone's gold claim/personal property. Unfriendly as it may be, he wound up on the receiving end of a dynamite pass. Then again, the 'meteorite hoaxer' may have moved to Alaska! There is no mention or record of any meteorite from that area! Best, ken __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites
Dr. Buono, I have to agree that your plea for assistance is justified. Thieves that stole a 6,000 kilo meteorite (13.2 tons) on April9/10 and left a concrete replica are no ordinary thieves! The Argentine police are probably no match for this type of criminal. http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/_images/dizzy.jpg The first thing is to look for is a disguised meteorite traveling out of the country! (Distribute pictures of the concrete replica) Have any pickup trucks crossed the border with unusually large produce? A gigantic ear of corn or humongus squash or monster cucumber, etc.? Or they might try a sign saying 13 ton ordinary rock. (Or perhaps the concrete replica is just a shell covering the real meteorite until the 'heat dies down') WOW! (perhaps it would be a good idea to check on large purchases of concrete made before the theft) I can understand the memory of this plagues you, because it is so embarrassing but you are right to ask for help. You should not feel ashamed that your government cares so little that they leave these national treasures lying unprotected in a field. Do not feel bad that your university did not take the initiative to get permission to display this meteorite in a protective environment. I understand that it IS easier to blame others who are actually protecting and enhancing the meteoritic community rather than yourself. UPDATE: This just in - a pict of three suspicious characters: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/_images/loco.jpg Do these guys look like persons you've seen recently sincerely, ken newton Miguel Angel del Buono wrote: I also remember a meteorite of 6 to 8 tons was stolen from Campo del Cielo. You can see the picture in this page http://www.diarionorte.com/2003/mayo/030504/interior.htm Thank you for your cooperation. Dr. Miguel A. del Buono Universidad Nacional del Nordeste Resistencia Chaco - Argentina _ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.yupimsn.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What in the heck is this?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2179148564 Adam, Tom, List, After asking seller to explain how he knows the specimen is nickel, iron, seller has closed auction. He said he is going to have it ANALYSED TO BE SHURE. His explanation was EVERY ONE HAS ALWAYS CALLED THEM METEORITES. He also sent me a picture of its' family:) http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs/novahwear.jpg Best, ken Adam Hupe wrote: Hey Tom, It looks like another pallasite to me minus the olivine, crust, lab confirmations and everything else that would make it a meteorite. Adam - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] What in the heck is this? Hey List, What is this one? Title of item: WASHINTON COAST METEORITE 625 GRAMS Seller: novahwear Starts: Jun-12-03 04:57:35 PDT Ends: Jun-19-03 04:57:35 PDT Price: Starts at $93.75 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2179148564 Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New meteorites from Georgia/South
John and All, If this story wasn't bizarre enough already, below is a letter sent to me by the seller. The test results: http://emc.biol.sc.edu/client/philb/ Dr. Gardner told me they weren't really into meteorites... Whether the specimen is actually a meteorite, I'll let you come to your own conclusion. The seller is NOW going to GIVE the specimen to the highest bidder for FREE? This is one of the oddest specimen/owner combinations I have experienced.(I don't know which is more unusual?:) Best, Ken---BeginMessage--- Dr. Gardner referred me to Dr. Podlonski (sp?) who did an electron microscopy of the specimen. The results are at the link at the subject heading of this email. Initially, he was moderately certain that it was a meteorite due to many things including slight nickel content and "flow lines" which were/are very smooth. He thought enough of it to spend the time and money to analyze it anyway. FWIW, I'm not intending on accepting any money from anyone who bid or the winner. It sure was cool seeing the flash in the sky by me and my Dad though in tiny ole Lugoff, SC. Sorry for any inconvenience. Phil From: magellon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Phil Bradley HBD/Thermoid/Elgin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Fwd: chunk of the big-bang pearl Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:11:32 -0400 Phil, I spoke with Dr. Gardner today, he had never heard of you or of a meteorite recently falling in the Columbia Area. Did you speak with someone else? Ken Phil Bradley HBD/Thermoid/Elgin wrote: Pictures attached. It is my meteorite. My father (79 years old) and I were in his fields laying out a sprinkler system shortly after dusk and had our backs to a field where he puts compost, leaves, etc to turn into fertilizer for his large garden. We heard a "thump" and saw a flash behind us, but wrote it off as lightening as we live in the Southeastern U.S. where afternoon thunderstorms are commonplace. I found it later as I was walking around this past weekend looking for places to lay sprinkler heads. As far as I know a Dr. Gardner at U.S.C. in the Geology Dept. will analyze it. I'll keep you posted if you're still interested. I'd rather not reveal my reserve price, however. Phil -- Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* Name: Mvc-037f.jpg Mvc-037f.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) Encoding: base64 Name: Mvc-033f.jpg Mvc-033f.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) Encoding: base64 Name: Mvc-036f.jpg Mvc-036f.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) Encoding: base64 Name: Mvc-030f.jpg Mvc-030f.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) Encoding: base64 Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] New meteorite from Georgia???
Hi, Actually, Walter was going to look into the Tybee Ga. 'fall'. The news photo sure looks like a rock: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs/tybee.jpg The Columbia SC ebay auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2176712425 Also see 2nd item down with picts: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/updates.html Seller's story is contradictory yet not lacking important facts. First two photo look promising, last two lightened photos look like pitted slag. If anyone knows high bidder, I have an email from seller stating: If not I apologize, but my intent is to sell it if it is a meteorite (which it appears to be) and refund any and all monies to any purchaser if it is verified not to be..and also provide a certificate of analysis signed by the researcher on institution letterhead. Why he doesn't wait till he has these things in hand is idiotic! Best, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walter, Did you find out anything on the tonight's Ebay auction for the so-called new meteorite in Georgia?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2176712425category=3239 Maybe we'll find out after the bidding ends tonight at 12:30 AM PST ? ;) John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [Fwd: Question for seller -- Item #2175659927]
All, I am forwarding Mr.Dan Ray's (raylunar) well deserved I Told You So! When notified of the possibility that his first auction may be incorrect, he quickly canceled his auction. A very humble and honest response. Even after having some pieces verified as CD, Mr. Ray again, shut down his auction for a second time and followed suggestions. We simply do not always see this level of professional behavior on eBay. I too apologize for doubting his auction and making him go through so much trouble. But more importantly, I applaud and commend him for keeping his cool among a group of 'know it all' meteorite enthusiasts. Thanks for teaching us 'a thing or two'! Ken Newton---BeginMessage--- Hi Ken, just thought I would drop a line so you could pass the word to others in your meteorite klan-I TOLD YOU SO!! All samples were positive for Canyon Diablo-and Russ forwarded me some very nice pictures and data involving them. Thanks for being polite when others were most diffenitly not, a couple threatened me with law suits, of course I told them to bring it on- -as I was very confident in what I had. Well my stomach is feeling better now, cause at one point I was even starting to wonder! I just wonder if a few are gonna have enough balls to write to say sorry? thanks Dan Ray raylunar wrote: I have contacted the fellow who bid, and he happens to be a old friend in California who knows my reputation. I will contact anyone else who places a bid, I mainly left it up for the na sayers. You are probably right, I am just being a little hard headed at this point, so please hang with me. I put all the items in the mail back to NEMS this AM and sent some mail back and fourth to Russ, and he was nice enough to look at them for free for me to help clear the mater up. Thanks Ken Dan Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, Sorry you are having all the trouble but I have always thought you were an honest seller. The steps you are taking will only verify that fact. No question - just a suggestion, you need to cancel the bid and close the auction before someone/others (who does not read fine print) also bid your auction. Best, ken Question from: magellon Title of item: 4 lb's IRON CANYON DIABLO METEORITE W/PAPERS Seller: lunarray Starts: May-20-03 12:27:07 PDT Ends: May-27-03 12:27:07 PDT Price: Currently $9.00 To view the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2175659927 Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ---End Message---
[meteorite-list] New SC Fall or All Wrong?
All, What do you think?: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2176712425 Picts sent by Seller: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs/2176712425b.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs/2176712425a.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs/2176712425c.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs/2176712425d.jpg Best, ken newton __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Crow eaters
Also, A special thanks to Russ from NEMS, who did the excellent lab work and photos for free! ken Marcia Swanson wrote: Hello List, I just wanted to tell all of you who stepped up to the banquet table, for a portion of crow, on-list, no matter how you had it prepared, I really respect you for that and I am really proud to know some of you, and even prouder that there was no hesitation on your part to partake. A pretty special bunch of guys! Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Good bye List
Tom, Sorry to see you go. Many of the now successful meteorite dealers once worked for other dealers to learn the business. (they had a dream and persued it) I look at the LIST as an ongoing education you can't get at any university. It only cost the time to study and enough interest to question. Everyone needs a dream even an impossible one. However, if seeing 'out of reach deals come and go' depresses you, perhaps you need to rethink what makes you happy and why. There will ALWAYS be many fantastic deals for LIST members simply by Nature and the nature of its members. You have discovered a precious gem, don't discard it as a wrong unless you have found something of greater value. ken Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello, all you good people of the list. I love this great hobby and all the people that are involved in it, you are some of the neatest people I have ever met, even if only by emails. : ) But, at least for the time being, I am taking a break. If the economy ever picks back up, and therefore my line of work, I am sure I will get back into it. Right now, it is just to depressing to be on the list, seeing all the recent witnessed falls and great deals that come along, and can't take advantage of them. I would like to thank all of you for your generosity and helpfulness! Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Park Forest Classification - Venus
NEWS ALERT: Forest Park ILL. After two days of rain, strange reports of large black obsidian obelisks have been sighted in the meteorite strewnfield. A Dept. of the Interior Geologist named Dave warns, Please do not touch the black rocks or you may be turned to stone! (As he pointed to a stiff but smiling Mike Farmer) The hysterical geologist also stated that washing the black stones could have dreadful after effects. (Monster Music swells) Meanwhile more rain is expected in the areaMore awful news later. Ken Newton ( The Monolith Monsters - 1957) Mike Reynolds wrote: Hi John, I have independent confirmation of this from my own source, which has also found fossilized bacteria believed to be of Venusian origin in a Park Forest specimen. I'll send more information as it becomes available. Best Regards, Mike Reynolds IMCA #8127 [meteorite-list] Park Forest Classification [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 01 Apr 2003 12:18:06 + Previous message: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Next message: [meteorite-list] historical micros on ebay Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hello, Breaking News! Two different investigative teams have determined that the latest fall in Chicago is actually an achondrite...likely a Gabbroic breccia from the planet Venus. The two teams, one in Texas and the other somewhere in the Middle East, have also confirmed their findings with orbital studies. More information to come. Estimated price changes with this new information is expected to increase from the present prices of $0 to $1 a gram on the street corner, $6/g in Italy, and $30 to $200 on the internet to somewhere close to $50,000 a gram. This truly was the million dollar fall. You lucky stiffs with all the rock...when in Pennsylvania??? Can't reveal my sources yet...maybe tomorrow...not today. John _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest - The Pulling of Teeth Part I
Adam, What a great report! Who are the three museum professionals? Thanks for sharing. ken newton Adam Hupe wrote: Dear List Members,Wow, lots of emails concerning the new Chicago fall. I was going to try to get back into the meteorite scene slowly but could not resist the temptation of a new fall and was thrust back into the fire. Al Lang and I decided to leave Park Forest yesterday because the feeding frenzy and greed was getting to be too much.Here is a long rundown of some of our experiences in case anybody is interested.Day oneHad a deal on the only oriented stone we observed the entire time we were there and had a museum director destroy our deal by telling the seller not to sell to us until the museum had a chance to make an offer on it first. The seller was then encouraged to donate the stone for a write-off. Most of these people are not in a position to take advantage of a tax write off because they are in the lowest income bracket. A donor can only write-off expenses incurred so basically they were giving these stones away free or they will unknowingly break the law if they try to write them off at $15.00 a gram. This shows blatant disrespect and abuse of perceived power. I am so disgusted in these three professionals that I will discourage any donations of material to their respective institutions unless they are reprimanded. On the positive side meteorite dealers and collectors behaved themselves for the most part in a much more professional manner.We were at the police station when we heard a gunshot fired around the corner at about 7:00 p.m. prompting us to leave the area and find a hotel.Purchased very little material at the initial $1.00 a gram price because we only wanted the best stones, we observed about 40 kilograms found in less than 10 hours and thought hundreds of kilos would show up by the next day.Day twoScoured the neighborhood for deals but the word was spread on the news not to sell to meteorite dealers who were there to take advantage of the finders. A new street price was established at $3.00 a gram because this is what a museum was offering. We purchased a single stone at this price.Went searching for meteorites and found a 24 gram specimen laying between a curb and a sidewalk. An old woman observed me picking it up and accused me of stealing it. Then she called me a hippie freak (I don't even have long hair) and told me she saw me pick up the stone from a yard. She went on to tell me that her part of the neighborhood did not like strangers poking around. She also mentioned that she heard about us "meteor people" on the news and knew we were up to no good. A small crowd was beginning to gather so I walked quickly back to the car. Our group, now consisting of four members decided it was time to go somewhere else to search so we left. We had to drive by her house on the way out and the next thing she did was chase us in her car. It took about 20 blocks and three turns to shake her. I am sure she wrote down our license plate number and reported the supposed theft to the police. We were given permission by the city to check the areas between the sidewalks and curbs.That night somebody was ran over by a car three times in front of our hotel. We saw all the police cars and ambulances but did not know what had happened until the next morning when we found out the person had been killed.See next posting for part IIAll the Best,Adam Hupe
[meteorite-list] Re: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] 695 GM - CERT'ED CANYON DIABLOMETEORITE...
Anne and All, I did write the seller asking who was the certifying authority. I have not received a reply..Will inform if I get an answer. Best Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/15/2003 7:55:49 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does this 'CD' look strange? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2164419748 from the land of ugly meteorites, Yes, it does. It does not look at all like the one in my display case. Did you write to the seller? Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] chondrite with IM Breccia!
MHY, You take excellent pictures! (But I think we have seen these before.) Did you ever think about advertising your photo skills for any local meteorite collectors? You could take photos of their meteorites and even display them on your web site for sale. Orders would be sent to you. You would get a fee when they were sold. ( Or simply buy some meteorites and sell them?) Best, ken M Yousef wrote: Here is a very nice rock with condrules and impact melt clasts: http://alifyaa.com/meteorite/cbr/index.html http://alifyaa.com/meteorite/br/index.html Regards Mohamed H. Yousef -- _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] marlvious breccia
M Yousef, You think that's good, look at this crust: http://www.bulls2.com/Sweets/donut6.jpg By the way, do you have any meteorites? Best, Ken M Yousef wrote: Please also have a look at this marlvious (never seen before) breccia: http://alifyaa.com/meteorite/br/index.html Though I am sure Matteo will have tons of it. Sorry for the dublication I should have send both this and the previous in one message. Regards Mohamed H. Yousef -- _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: (Probable) meteorwrong story conclusion
Robert and List, I got an email from pete also today. I had asked if his specimen attracted to magnet and did he guarantee it to be a meteorite... He email today said very slightly, and yes. I don't understand why he bothered writing back . I replied: Thanks for you reply. This might help you in the future: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/meteoriteforsell.html ken Here are his picts of his 'meteorite' that I lightened: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs/petecuneo1.JPG http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs/petecuneo2.JPG Looks like a rock to me.. believe Ken Norton is compiling a lot of information about meteorwrongs on his web site As for the info on sulfide slag: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/hotrocks.html sulfide-rich slag is something that keeps showing up again and again on eBay. Robert (or anyone) - If you see any on Ebay, please let me know so I can add to the picture file! Best, Ken Newton (BTW - Richard Norton's mother and my mother were mothers, but we somehow have different names :) http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/mepage.html/ Meteor-Wrong Central Matson, Robert wrote: Hi Bob, Norbert and List, I got an interesting message today which I'll share shortly, but first we must go back to June of last year when I first noticed a questionable meteorite show up on eBay. Here's the message I sent to Bob Verish about it: From: Matson, Robert Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 6:23 PM To: 'Bob Verish - home'; 'Bob Verish - work' Subject: Mohave meteorwrong? Hi Bob, This has just shown up on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2110888286 Large, 14-lb Mohave meteorite. Seller is from Chico, so he probably means Mojave. The price is absurd, and the seller has no feedback, so something smells fishy. From the pictures, it might actually be a meteorite -- it certainly looks better than most meteorwrongs on eBay. But practically no data is provided other than the mass. --Rob - - - - - Bob promptly replied: Weighs approximately 6272g/14 lbs. And its approximate dimensions are 5.75, 4, 3.5/14.5 cm, 10cm, 13.5 Hi Rob, Thanks for the heads-up. Is my math wrong, or does this specific gravity look like it is within the range for most chondritic meteorites? Check out my version of his images (see attachments) Bob V. - - - - - - Bob later added: I meant to add on the previous message - that I think this is another chunk of Sulfide-rich slag! (take a look at the corners where a bright interior is exposed;-) I wouldn't be surprised in the least, if it is... --Bob V. Since the auction is long since over, the links to the images are gone, *BUT* I just found I do still have Bob's versions of his images. With Bob's permission, I'll post them to my webspace and provide the links here if anyone is curious. A day later, Norbert Classen noticed the auction and posted this message to the Meteorite Collectors Association list: Hi there, Did you see this neat MW from the Mohave desert? Don't forget, it's Very Rare! Great Value at $21,280. Okay, some people might think that $3.40/g is a reasonable price for something that might be a meteorite AND from the US - but I really doubt that this is the real thing. What do you think? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2110888286 Ebay Item # 2110888286 Best, Norbert Classen IMCA #7606 - - - - I replied to Norbert and the list: I noticed this auction yesterday, and being keenly interested in any meteorite finds from California (misspelling of Mojave notwithstanding), I floated it by Bob Verish to get his thoughts. It doesn't look like hematite or magnetite, but then again the seller doesn't mention magnetism. Bob did some photo enhancement of his images to get a better look at what appeared to be some specular spots on the rock surface -- spots which look not unlike some of the roasted sulfide slags we've been talking about recently. A rough computation of the specific gravity suggests that the stone is indeed in the range of most chondrites (high 3's to low 4's) -- the density is too low to be an iron meteorite. I ~have~ found chondrites which have weathered exteriors that look a lot like this stone, but the high price, minimal information, and the lack of a history for the seller smells bad to me... --Rob Leaving no stone unturned (sorry, couldn't resist!), I sent the following message to the seller: Based on the images in your auction, it is difficult to say whether your stone is meteoritic or not. If you haven't cut into it or ground down a corner, it is probably premature to call it a meteorite. Your auction could use some more detail, particularly given the price you're asking for it. For example, where was it found; when was it found; is it magnetic; how do you know it is a meteorite, etc. I have discovered many meteorites in California, and have an extensive database of information for all
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Should have been: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/mepage.html Meteor- wrong Central Sorry about that ken __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NP Article, 06-1886 An Aerolite Liar
Mark, Thanks for this article... It explains a previous article you posted from Fort Wayne Weekly, Fort Wayne, IN, Wed., Jan 29, 1879. And also the article Murderous Meteorite -1879. http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/mm.html It is amazing that a hoaxer could get away with so many hoaxes over such a long time without being caught. best, Ken MARK BOSTICK wrote: Paper: The Landmark City: Statesville, North Carolina Date: Thursday, June 24, 1886 Page: 1 An Aerolite Liar Correspondence of The Landmark. This statement appeared in a Washington, Pa., dispatch of May 27: After months of search Professor Jonathan Emerick, of William and Mary College, has discovered the aerolite which fell in Washington county September 14, 1885. It was found imbedded deep in soil, on Frederick Miller's farm, two miles north of Claysville. Professor Emerick says it is the largest aeroliste on record and weighs fully 200 tons. Its compostion is chromium, nickel, alumnium, copper, magnesium and tin. A reply was received from Postermaster Scott stating that the report is a canard, no such aerolite having fallen. There seems to be some person in the associated press who makes it his business or pastime to invent aerolite discoveries, for it has been kept up for a number of years. The first instance I can now recall was the alleged fall near Fort Worth, Texas, of an aerolite a mile in width. When I read the press dispatch I telegraphed to Fort Worth and ascertained that the statement was a lie out of the whole cloth. Then, in 1878, there came a dispath from some place in Arkansas, stating that an aerolite had fallen there and killed a farmer in his bed. I investigated that statement and found it was false. Again, in 1882, it was reported in a press dispatch that an aerolite as large as a hogshead had fallen in Georgia. I made diligent inquiries only to learn there was no truth in the report. Two months ago a press dispath from Washington stated that an aerolite had fallen in that city. It only proved that the liar had got around in the direction. there canards have cost some expense for correspondence and telegraphy, and the friend should be killed. W.E.H. www.MeteoriteArticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thuathe
Mike, The pictures are great. The country and people are beautiful. The scary thing is you could have died! The adventure ends with everyone happy. (The stones are definitely fusion crusted!) Question: How did you know this was a friendly African country. (Several are not) How did you overcome the language barrier? Would you do it again knowing the outcome beforehand? Thank you and Eric for sharing your adventure. Best, Ken Newton Michael Farmer wrote: Hi again, I am almost sold out of this meteorite. There are a couple pieces still listed, but other than that I only have a few fragments left. Everyone should check out Eric Olson's specimens.Mike FarmerBy the way, what does everyone think about my story and photos?Have'nt seen them? Click below.http://www.meteoritehunter.com/thuathehunt.htm
Re: [meteorite-list] Little Green Man Skull!
M Yousef, Perhaps congratulations are in order: I know how long and hard you have been trying to get the attention of lunar meteorite experts. I am very pleased to tell you that you have accomplished the unexpected. (whether by your doing or by someone else) One of our country's leading experts in Lunar Geochemistry (lunar meteorites), Dr. Randy Korotev has several lunar meteorite web pages such as : Lunar Meteorites http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/moon_meteorites.html How Do We Know That Its a Rock From the Moon? http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/moon/howdoweknow.html and more Well, Dr. Korotev has taken notice of at least FIVE ( there may be more) of your specimens (including ones you keep recycling on the LIST such as 'green man skull') and put them on the Washington University Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences web page with his personal commentary for each! WOW!!! I will first list the specimens on your web site: (1) http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/fc/index.html (2) http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/ln/index.html (3) http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/ct/index.html (4) http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pm/index.html (5) http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pl4/index.html In the same order, the specimens are listed below on Dr Korotev's Site: (1) http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/meteorwrongs/m015.htm (2) http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/meteorwrongs/m017.htm (3) http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/meteorwrongs/m028.htm (4) http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/meteorwrongs/m029.htm (5) http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/meteorwrongs/m030.htm Congratulations for getting noticed by such a noted lunar meteorite expert! Sorry that the commentary is not what you expected, but weren't you already informed these were wrongs by someone?(or some group?) When you ask questions who tells you the truth? --- We do! (This includes Matteo.) Why do you ignore our simple questions to you? Best, Ken M Yousef wrote: Matteo!! very strange with you,,, every time I post anything you are the first to reply; you even reply in a minute,,, and you always repeat the same statements!!! how many times you said you will block me? please DO. Also, you have TONS of every odd rock (not to say meteorite) I post. Show me some??? Yousef if you want sale for you at 2 tons of this lunars meteorites for a affair price: only $1000, inform me and I send immediatly. Ok,, I buy,, send me few grams of any rock similar to the last one I posted and I will pay you $1000, it is a deal. But what you should pay in return if you turned out to be a lier! Regards Mohamed H. Yousef -- From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Little Green Man Skull! Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 00:17:51 -0800 (PST) It is real natural you have broken with your spam of meteorwrongs! What informations give to you your Institutes where you have sent your lunar meteorites ? Send a piece of this material to a serious Institute and of secure they will laugh. Yousef if you want sale for you at 2 tons of this lunars meteorites for a affair price: only $1000, inform me and I send immediatly. Matteo --- M Yousef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is fun even if it was wrong, how if it is right!!! http://alifyaa.com/meteorite/skl/index.html It is real natural however. Best Regards Mohamed H. Yousef -- _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[Fwd: [meteorite-list] NP Article, 12-1928 Meteor Fall Kills Women Baby]
---BeginMessage--- Michael, Mark and all, An eye witness may have seen a meteor that night. But I seriously doubt if that is what started the fire... Best, Ken Michael L Blood wrote: Hi Mark all, I tried to look up a Decatur or Greendale meteorite and none is listed. Anyone have any idea of this was, in fact, a fall? Thanks, Michael on 2/28/03 11:13 AM, MARK BOSTICK at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paper: Decatur Evening Herald City: Decatur, Illinois Date: Saturday, December 22, 1928 Page: 1 DECLARES METEOR FELL ON HOUSE AND KUKKED WOMAN, BABY (By United Press) GREENDALE, N.Y., Dec. 22 - Farmers in this neighborhood Saturday are convinced that a meteor fell from the sky. Friday night and set fire to a farm house here, burning a woman and a year old baby to death and injuring six others painfully. Scientists say such a thing happens once in 500 years. J. R. Hicks, a storeheeper, related Saturday that he stood in front of his store and saw a ball of fire shooting from the sky. It landed on the roof of William Peator's house he said. Mrs. William Peator, 43, and Ramond Ford Jr., her one year old nephew were killed. Others in the house, Minner and Doris Peator, five years old twins, Ruth Peator, 16, and Mrs. Raymond Ford, 28, were painfully burned. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. ...Thomas Jefferson -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satelite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Panoramic view of Meteor Crater: http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/Met eorCraterRimL.html -- Cool Calendar Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] nice crust and flow lines
M Yousef and List, Sorry, this is NOT fusion crust and I strongly suggest you wash your hands after handling it. Please, have a beautiful day in your lunar neighborhood. Ken M Yousef wrote: Please have a look! http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/fl2/index.html _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questionable items?
Charlie List, The seller had terminated his current auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2161433327 Seller has also promised not to sell any more 'meteorites' on ebay, but who knows... Best, Ken http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/updates.html Charlie Devine wrote: Dear list, Recently thee was a thread regarding a slice and individuals of Estherville for auction on ebay. The consensus was that the samples wee not meteorites. In fact, the seller offered a slice of this material in an earlier auction and is presently offering more. In both the earliest and latest auctions I notice ebay handles of people who regularly bid on real meteorites. In order of earliest to current, the second being the one discussed earlier on the list, and the current being a relist of the second(?): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem+747516783 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcatagory+3239item+2155738365 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem+2161433327 This seller seems to be doing OK for themselves.. Best wishes, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] any comments on this one?
Hi, It doesn't look like a meteorite. Lightened picts: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs/2156930845a.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs/2156930845b.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs/2156930845cc.jpg Best, ken http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/DKPHOTO.html David Hardy wrote: Anyone want to take a guess at what this may be? Not much hard info for $10,000. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2156930845category=3239 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] BRECCIA
Mohamed H. Yousef, How do you feel so free to ask questions and expect replies and yet not feel obligated to answer simple questions directed to you? Sincerely, ken newton M Yousef wrote: Dear List; First we regret to hear news about the space shuttle, we express our deep sorrow for this horrible accident that remind us with Challenger. Back to my rocks and I suppose this is the last update of mu hunts because my holiday is over (you will be happy I know!). I wonder if you still have any doubt that this nice rock here: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pl9/ is (luner or not) breccia. Please check it out and send me your comments. Please notice the FLOW LINES in one part of this rock is identical to what I showed you before here: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/fl/ It seems to me that these latter rocks are from the original meteor that made the breccia. Sincerely Mohamed H. Yousef -- _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matteo
M Yousef wrote: only one idea, you have broken many persons with your spam of fake meteoritesSTOP! Matteo Matteo... cannt you see I am not responding to any of your replies! You warned me several times that you will block my emails! Why you have not done that yet??? If you like I can teach you how to da that. You are really very annoying; whenever I post anything you come up and speak rubbish. M Yousef, I know how you feel. I hate it when someone says they are going to do something and then they act like they never said it! It is very annoying! Do you remember this: Dear Dave and List; Sorry if my posts are irritating you so much; but I dont see why!!! I promise I will not post anything about my METEORITES until I get them certified.? (Remember? And that was a promise! How do you view a person that does not keep his promise?) As far as I know I am not breaching any list rules, and there are many list members who are interested in what I post and they send me very useful comments. Only you (and a few others) come up everytime as if I am firing missles on you. And why dont you reply off-list if you have such irrelevant comments, I believe you are breaking the rules Matteo! M Yousef, if you wish to pull out the rules, I think you'll find that Matteo is not breaking them. As part of the LIST, Matteo is only responding to the questions you ask. It is unfortunate that you disagree with him. You would do well to reconsider the opinion of a highly experienced meteorite dealer. Oh yea, the rules say 1.Posts need to relate -in some way- to meteorites. Technically you have breached the rules, since you are the ONLY one who considers your rocks meteorites. Not that a person can't ask about a suspect meteorite but you are starting to recirculate them. ( Not to mention that you have the world's largest collection of wrongs ) Even people who are sending me useful comments most of them are replying to my email only, not to the list. When you want to reply, and I hope you will not, click on reply and not reply all. I'm glad persons are being helpful. Perhaps, you should have followed your own advice and should have sent this to Matteo instead of to the LIST? Please, please, please block my email; better for me and you and the list. I said it many times; people who are irritated because of my post they can block me and I will be very happy. M Yousef, A more considerate approach would be to email only the few who have been helpful to you or show interest and leave the rest of LIST members as you found them. Would that not be the kind thing to do? That way NO ONE is irritated by your mania. I dont have to act like you Matteo. Please stop it, I am sure you are already a mature man; this is not good what you are doing. I'm glad to hear that you wish people to act in an adult manner. You made the following statement about a year ago: Please look at the pictures of this nice brecciated lunar meteorite with fusion crust that I found today:http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/ln1.htmAlso, the pictures that I showed you a while ago, turned out to be lunar as well (Mare Basalt), as one of the REAL experts in the field agreed. Testing is undergoing now. You can compare the pictures below to Asuka-881757 and Dhofar587:http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/ln2.htm In a way you helped me alot by refusing whatever I post; this gave me more enthusiasm to look for undefeatable proofs. RegardsMohamed I wish we could be even more helpful by refuting all your posts, but there is that slim possibility that a meteorite will accidently drop into your bucket while you are outside. Seriously, you claimed that one of your rocks was verified by a lunar expert. Was this a lie? If so, why? If not, please supply details. A mature man would reply to these easy questions, Yes? Looking forward to hearing from you, Ken Newton __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GB deposits
Tom, The problem/solution is discussed in the following e-mails by Mike Groetz and Donald O'Keeffe: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cleaning Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:16:14 -0500 Hello- I am new to the hobby of meteorite collecting and am very excited about it. Even though by no means am I familiar with chemistry, I made a discovery that I am very pleased with and wanted to share with you- Recently I purchased a DHOFAR H4/5 meteorite weighing about 36 grams. The photo I purchased from showed a small amount of white caliche (calcium carbonate) on the corners of the meteorite. This is supposed to be frequently found on meteorites from desert climates. I have to admit that when I received it I was a little disappointed in that the white was all over the backside not seen in the photo. From what I have read, this can be removed with a fairly strong sulfuric acid. But I have no idea where to find it. OK- don't laugh. While cleaning the bathroom, I was using an over the counter product called The Works that is advertised for removal of rust stains and hard water build up. I know this stuff is fairly strong (it contains phosphoric acid) and all at once I wondered what it would do to the caliche on my meteorite. So I got up the courage and put the meteorite in a small cup and covered it with the cleaner. Immediately the white caliche started bubbling and boiling away from the meteorite. After a few minutes, it seemed to slow, so I took an old toothbrush and lightly scrubbed the meteorite and put it back in the cleaner. Again, the white caliche was bubbling away and I could see fine particles of the caliche coming off. After about 30 minutes and a few gentle scrubbings, the meteorite was totally clean of the white. I rinsed it in water and lightly paper toweled it dry. Then to insure total drying, I sprayed it with Albany brake parts cleaner (a combination of Heptane and Toluene) that is advertised to clean and dry quickly with no residue. Within seconds, the meteorite was dry and really looked great and natural. This was now the meteorite I wanted. The cleaning did not change any of the original light brown coloration or the partial blackened crust. It is free of the caliche. I know this was not professional, but for me, I am really pleased and wanted to share it with all of you. Mike [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cleaning Donald O'Keeffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:47:24 -0600 Hi Mike, I use lime-a-way on my keepers. Removes the caliche and doesn't harm the stone as far as I can tell. I think The Works is what the kids in my neighborhood use for bombs. I'm not exactly sure how they do it, shredded aluminum foil I think. Sure does rattle the windows on the Fourth of July. Don End Quote Hope this helps Best, Ken Newton http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/mepage.html Meteor-Wrong Central Tom aka james Knudson wrote: Hello List, The gold basin I found yesterday that was buried has a some kind of white deposit forming on it. What is this, and haw can I remove it safely? Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the I.M.C.A. #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Found at gold Basin
Fred, They certainly looked weathered enough for GBs. As Bob Verish has so adeptly pointed out, not all GB's are the same. http://meteoritetimes.com/Issues/2002/May/index.htmsee Bob's Findings http://meteoritetimes.com/Issues/2002/June/index.htmsee Bob's Findings Both side shots (ab) appear to have lots of metal flakes. If it looks like a duck, and you found it in the pond, then I would say ducky, ducky Congrats, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are two PICS of what I found at Gold Basin. They look different on the inside and out. Can anybody tell from the PICS if these are Gold Basin meteorites or not? http://www.pbase.com/image/11060945 http://www.pbase.com/image/11060959 Fred __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Found at gold Basin
Bob, I most gratefully stand corrected. Fred, try to get to the Tucson Show. Many dealers will have some real GB's. Thanks, ken newton Robert Verish wrote: Thank you, Ken. It's appreciated to be quoted. But if you weren't the webmaster of such an instructional Meteor-wrong web site, I probably would have deferred from offering this opinion: Ken, I think you have some excellent, new candidates for your web page. Identification hinges on whether those light-colored grains on the exterior are quartz. Because the cut surface is so well-polished in these images, it will have to be disregarded for identification purposes, since magnetite grains are nearly identical in appearance to metal grains when they are this highly polished. I find GBs to be easier to identify when the cut surface isn't polished (the chondrules are easier to see, as well). Fred, sorry I wasn't able to join you guys out at GB. Hang in there and good luck on your future trips. Bob V. [meteorite-list] Found at gold Basin magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:11:36 -0500 Fred, They certainly looked weathered enough for GBs. As Bob Verish has so adeptly pointed out, not all GB's are the same. See Bob's Findings: http://meteoritetimes.com/Issues/2002/May/index.htm http://meteoritetimes.com/Issues/2002/June/index.htm Both side shots (ab) appear to have lots of metal flakes [grains]. If it looks like a duck, and you found it in the pond, then I would say ducky, ducky Congrats, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are two PICS of what I found at Gold Basin. They look different on the inside and out. Can anybody tell from the PICS if these are Gold Basin meteorites or not? http://www.pbase.com/image/11060945 http://www.pbase.com/image/11060959 Fred __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] possible meteorite
Bob, Nice meteorite! This is one of the few times I can recall that the photo(s) in question was not a wrong! Wahoo! Best, ken Robert Cucchiara wrote: Hi List, I know you have all have been doing alot of meteorite identification lately but i would like your opinions on this one. I just returned from Mexico where i met an elderly man who believes he has a meteorite. He witnessed it fall while working in the hills as a miner 20 years ago and he says it sounded like an airplane approaching. They went to look for it and found a hole in soft terrain where he recovered this 470 gram stone. i asked him if he had searched for any additional stones and he had not. I inspected it and believe it is genuine but still had some doubts. It is magnetic and with a 10x loupe it has small metal grains. The brownish to black crust has expansion cracks but seem thicker than normal to me. I tried to convince him to give me nice sized piece for analysis, but he did not care to cut it. I was able to acquire a few fragments with crust (about 0.6 grams) that i was able to chip off fairly easily, so it appears to be some what friable. I snapped about 50 photos, so if anyone needs any additional angle off list i can provide them. I can acquire this stone along with the location of the fall if proven meteoritic. Any opinions would be apprieciated. The links are provided below. Thanks again Bob C. http://www.alamedacomputers.com/slp1a.jpg http://www.alamedacomputers.com/slp2a.jpg http://www.alamedacomputers.com/slp3a.jpg http://www.alamedacomputers.com/slp4a.jpg http://www.alamedacomputers.com/slp5a.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is Mohammed a hoax?
Greetings All and Mohamed, I think I first raised that question a year ago. I also thought that M.C. was having his fun. But, Mohamed's e-mails ARE coming from NWA. I also answered my own question when I researched Mohamed and found an old site where he was trying to sell his 'meteorites' before they were classified. (Yes, they were supposedly undergoing classification back then! I wonder what ever happened to the top secret lunar expert who was examining his 'lunar meteorite'?) The site existed long before he approached the LIST. No, he is real, alive , and living in meteorite country. I just hope he accepts Mark Bostick's generous offer and allows real meteorites to fall in his possession! Perhaps THEN he will look for real meteorites and hopefully find some! Otherwise, I fear his desperate HEART will continue to mislead his logical brain. Best, Ken Newton http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/webwrongs.html Wrongs on WWW tett wrote: I am not so sure that Mohammed exists. This has been going on for too long and it sure looks like someone is pulling our collective chain. M.C. are you out there? ;) Cheers, Mike Tettenborn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mohameds dream Mohamed has a dream as well - why should we not encourage him ?! Oh jeezyou're comparing Mohamed to Nininger???...this thread oughta get really interesting now !! As best I can recall, NOT A SINGLE PERSON on this list is trying to discourage him from searchingmany/most of us wish him only the best of luck and eventual success. His problem is that he refuses to accept the opinions/feedback he receives from this list, some of whose members are among the leading researchers/collectors/etc. in the field of meteoritics. Essentially NOTHING he has ever posted even remotely resembles a meteorite, but he refuses to accept the opinions rendered. I don't care how passionately he may believe he has found a meteorite, if it ain't, it ain't. There's a saying: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duckit must be a duck. Well, conversely: If it walks like a donkey and brays like a donkey.it ain't a duck !! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] Meteorite or Meteorwrong Display New Idea
Rhett, Dave, and Listees, Who says lightning doesn't strike twice? What really great ideas! I'll support both in any way I can. Rhett you can sign me up! Dave, you wrote: I spent forty-five minutes and have a better looking and more functional display than the traveling NASA display presently at the same library. Perhaps you could share your display design with us? I would want to feel safe about my meteorites... Thanks Guys, Ken Newton http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/mepage.html Meteor-Wrong Central Rhett Bourland wrote: Hello Dave and everyone else, I find it interesting that you should bring something like this up tonight Dave. Normally, when I get a new idea for the IMCA I usually run it by the directors before throwing it out to the membership but I have a feeling that they won't mind on this one. When I got home from work tonighting I had a letter from the museum in Evansville, IN (my old hometown from a month or so ago) thanking me for letting them borrow some meteorites for a display and an email from a reporter from Financial Times asking about meteorites. I know many of us are involved in educating the public and/or will loan out pieces of our collection from time to time and I think such actions are absolutely wonderful!!! An idea that I thought of tonight is creating a new section on the IMCA website that will basically list members that would be happy to talk to the public about meteorites (whether it be a school, group, or possibly even news media) or loan pieces from your collection to libraries or museums. Included with that would be the corner of the world that you would be willing to visit to speak or deliver your precious rocks. Such an idea, if it works the way I'm envisioning, could be invaluable in educating the public about meteorites. Imagine how meteorites Ninninger could have found if he was part of a team of people working together around the world talking to non-meteorite enthusiasts about the wonders that occasionaly fall from the sky! Also, this could serve as a way to help distribute information to the public by local residents. What do you all think? Would you like to be a part of this? Please, if you have any thoughts or ideas about this then let's discuss them among us all and if you would like to sign up then let me know. Thanks and best wishes, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: David Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:57 PM To: meteorite collectors association; meteorite-list Subject: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] Meteorite or Meteorwrong Display Dear Listees; As you have recently seen on the list, there is always someone needing more information on meteorwrong and meteorite identification. I have just taken some of my meteorites (meager small things that they are) and some of my beautifully classic meteorwrongs (massive magnetite, 3 pound steam locomotive clinkers, ironized sandstone nodules) and some neat books, Cosmos by Sagan, Rocks From Space, O. Richard Norton, Bob Haag's Catalogue of Meteorites and put them in a very nice display case at the local library. Of the 30 or so rocks in the case, 8 are meteorites, the rest are great examples of close-to-be examples of meteorites. The small contest is to guess the correct number of real meteorites. Prize is a small slice of Gibeon. I will be speaking this coming Tuesday evening at the library about meteorites and even identifying samples that are brought in. The two local newspapers will be running feature articles and even a photo or two. For all of you out there in meteorite land, there is a great deal of inter satisfaction related to giving back to one's community by doing things like this little show and tell display and public meeting. I encourage all who are looking for something to do this winter to get involved...and maybe get a shot at brokering a new meteorite find, or helping out with a new strewnfield documentation...or just letting adults act like kids when they get to hold a real meteorite. It is great fun, and kids have eyes as big as grapefruits when they hold a real meteorite in their hands. Try your favorite library. I spent forty-five minutes and have a better looking and more functional display than the traveling NASA display presently at the same library. Their flier says Meteorites are magnetic So, I have a nice piece of lodestone with some paper clips on it to confuse those lucky meteorite guessers, lots of fun for all. Very best, 71 degrees presently, and clear in Tucson Dave Freeman Apply your mind to at least one problem which has never been solved, which in general is considered impossible of solution, but which, being solved, would help humanity. Do with your life something that has never been done, but which you feel needs doing...Harvey Harlow
Re: [meteorite-list] Re-Asteroid?
Hi All, When I hear about unidentified weather balloons, it brings this to mind: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/exit.html Sorry for taking this off topic discussion further off topic, but I never get tired of reading this and thought you would enjoy it too. (Perhaps, a leisurely way one could look for meteorites in the desert?) For follow-up info you can go here: http://www.markbarry.com/amazing/lawnchairman.html Best, Ken Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't we just say it was a weather balloon? The point is it was something unidentified and this individual has no clue what it was but he's pretty sure what it wasn't. Meteorite, asteroid, flock of geese, or alien craft we are clueless in the identity of this object. But based on the description I tend to agree with the aircraft hypothesis but that's just me, I wasn't there and respect the eyewitness report. Maybe it was Santa lol Merry Christmas
[meteorite-list] Takysie Lake
Greetings All, Motivated buyer looking for Takysie Lake. Please contact me off line. Thanks, Ken Newton http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/mepage.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Meteor-doubtful (once more)
Hi, One last kick! I also do not condone emailing eBay sellers with threats. It generally accomplishes nothing. (meteorite police?- what's that about? ) In this case, the seller was mad because no one else might bid and he was going to be forced to buy it, himself. (pay fees) That was when he posted his little tirade. (Dec-19-02 at 07:49:38 PST). He should have been very happy to have greatly exceeded his $100.00 reserve to $247.50, Right? But he was very upset, i really think that this will be the last thing i sell on here (the first to). He probably blames the 'meteorite experts' for the fact that no one bid even though he got a ton of emails. However, it is one thing to give someone benefit of the doubt. It is another to let them repeatedly lie to you and others, hoping it might be true. Meteorites do not blow up and burn down barns. Neither are they hot for three weeks. But you might say, He's just repeating the story. Even if you know nothing about meteorites, when the seller says, if you collect this stuff, and just have to have it, and cant wait till the auctions over, ill be happy to review cash offers sent via e mail. This is a wake up call saying that the seller is willing to cheat eBay out of it's money, how far will he go to cheat you? Watch the man behind the curtain.. The auction ended today (actually yesterday, as it is past midnight as I write) Not only does the bidder who also lives in Sacramento instantly have the 'meteorite' but conveniently leaves the seller this feedback: picked up.SUPER NICE PIECE.authentic for sure!..hope to do business again! Well, you may say, he could have picked it up and he could have left feedback the SAME day since they live in the same town! Yes, But look at the time the auction ended (Dec-19-02 15:38:33 PST) and the time he posted feedback (Dec-19-02 15:43:17 PST). So he had less than 5 minutes to get the goods, exchange money, return home, verify that it is a meteorite and post his feedback. But, you say, the only way he could do that is if he lived in the SAME HOUSE!: Yes, you have figured it out! It is not what he says, as much as what he does! This guy was not only dishonest from the very start, but also not very bright! His story and his 'meteorite' are as true or are as deceptive as his actions. Now eBay will get its' fee and the seller/bidder got what he deserved!. Well done! (Perhaps it would be nice if someone sent him a congratulatory message for selling his 'meteorite') But then again it may be nicer to leave well enough alone! Best to all, Ken Newton http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/updates.html Jerry A. Wallace wrote: Folks, Well, I figure most of you wish this deal would go away...but, since the auction's still open, I figure it's still 'in play'. It'll all be laid to rest soon enough, I suspect, but for now, we can still kick a live mule. (And besides that- I didn't start it!) First, for any of you that are still interested at all, you should check back on the auction webpage. It seems that several folks have done went and caused 'handcannon444' to become highly irritable. Turns out that someone has threatened to report him to the METEORITE POLICE and he sure as heck ain't taking kindly to those sorts of threats. HandCannon has added an addendum to the auction webpage that you really need to read. I won't post it here for fear of lawsuits and/or 44mag bullets flying my direction. I don't think you could pay somebody to make up nonsense any more outrageous than what he has written. By implication, 'HC' (HandCannon) tells us that one of the rules for bidding on his auction is that the bidder must have one eye covered and the other tightly shut when viewing any details or photos on his auction page. It's hilarious!!! You guilty parties out there (and you know who you are) need to quit aggravating that 'budding entrepreneur' like that!!! :-D Second, after posting my letter last night, I layed down in bed and began to think on it some more. I got to thinking about the picture of the 'object' once again and got back up and took another 'blown up' view of it. The surface of the object has a fairly 'ratty' look to it. So, if you would, bear with me through this scenario... Picture this in your mind... California farm folk didn't have a heckuva lot to do back in the mid-thirties except to raise their meager crops and sit on the front porch in their rockers on Sunday afternoons, resting and passing the time waiting for the Grand Ole Opry to play on their radios come evening. And they would wonder how their brethren were subsisting in the 'dust bowl' drought that had gripped the mid-west states; wonder they would, of course, at least about the brethren that hadn't already packed up and moved to California, some of them stopping to look for work at Grandpa's farm. These were the days that were some 30 years before TV's became fairly common household items, and some 65
[meteorite-list] Meteorite dispute prompts complaint
Greetings, Although it happened a few months ago, this is interesting: Meteorite dispute prompts complaint Talk about a set-up, poor Dr. Nestell didn't see it coming... My favorite: 'This guy sounds like a real nut case. Ill bet hes one of those guys whos out to make a lot of problems for other people, Nestell said' The funniest: "DeRusse alleges that during the process, geology professor Merlynd Nestell handled samples and questioned their authenticity. DeRusse said the technicians assisting him were embarrassed and puzzled by the professors behavior. " Amazed by it all, Ken
[meteorite-list] [Fwd: searching of meteorit photo]
Did anyone else receive this email? Best, Ken Newton wrongs on ebay ---BeginMessage--- Hi, I search a hight resolution photo of meterorite from a very good cameri for a print. Do you have ones ? I would like a macro photo of black meteorite surface very beautifull. Very rought. I would like to buy one for the document of my agency. Thanks Georges ---End Message---
[meteorite-list] [Fwd: Analysis Report]rarest meteorite ever
Greetings all, I just got this answer to my email to Mr. Rahman. The part that says, I by no means claim myself an authority in this area, however tried my best to educate myself and did a limited research in this area to come up with a very honest analysis report, to the best of my knowledge. is scary from someone handing out professional analyses. ---BeginMessage--- Dear Mr. Newton, I read your e-mail with interest and will try to answer your questions with complete honesty and to the best of my knowledge. Answers: -There is no question that this could be a forgery. I have personally done the analysis and as far as the portion described on that web site which is in exact reference to my report is truly genuine. The additional info about that Meteorite (beyond the verdict of my report, if any) might be as a result of other peoples research. -This is the first time I personally have studied and analyze this kind of a sample and while I by no means claim myself an authority in this area, however tried my best to educate myself and did a limited research in this area to come up with a very honest analysis report, to the best of my knowledge. - I am not aware of any such thing that would give kind of a certification to UCF to classify meteorites. I hope you would have got answers of your questions but I would love to hear more from you or from other more experienced people from this area and I would like to leave this session open for further discussion. I hope I will learn more this way. Please feel free to e-mail me should you have further inquiries in this regard or if you think I can help in any other way. Sincerely, Zia At 09:04 AM 11/7/02 -0500, you wrote: Mr. Rahman, The following is a link to an analysis report in your name: http://www.dws-meteorite.com/analysis.htm The second link is a picture of the rock analyzed: http://www.dws-meteorite.com/ Questions: Is this a forgery or is the report genuine? If genuine, how many meteorites have you verified? Does UCF classify meteorites? Thanks, Ken Newton International Meteorite Collectors Assn. #9632 ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+ Zia ur Rahman Research E/M. Engineer, Assistant to the Director, MATERIALS CHARACTERIZATION FACILITY, Advanced Materials Processing and Analysis Center (AMPAC), University of Central Florida, 12443 Research Parkway, Suite 305, Orlando, Florida 32826, USA Phone: (407) 882-1511, Fax: (407) 275-4321 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---End Message---
[meteorite-list] Verona Meteorite?
Greetings All, I came across this : Verona Meteorite However, I canot find it listed in any Met Bulls. Is this a hoax? thanks, Ken Newton #9632
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite for sale?
Ditto! Ken Newton wrongs on eBay Tom / james Knudson wrote: Did any one else get the email, Meteorite for sale, some 7.5 kg from the ukraine? Thanks, TomThe proudest member of the I.M.C.A. #6168 Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Newspaper Article, 04-19-1906 Cemetery Meteorite
Mark, I really enjoy the old newspaper articles. They invariably raise more questions than they answer. Too bad there is no one around give us more info! Like how does a 25 lb object "gradually worked to the surface" by itself? Please keep them coming... Best, Ken Newton MARK BOSTICK wrote: New York Time New York City, New York Thursday, April 19, 1906 Page: 10 FOUND METEOR FRAGMENT Cemetery Workman Digs Up One Buried for Twelve Years Special to The New York Times RAHWAY, N.J., April 18. - John Godfray, in excavating for a monument today in Hazlewood Cemetery, dug up a meteor fragment weighing 25 pounds. It seemed to be composed of fused minerals, glass, stone and steel. There is a mixture of vari-colored stones intermingled through the otherwise gray mass. Tweleve years ago Keron Kiernan, keeper of the cemetary, while at work one afternoon, heard a whistle, like escaping steam, coming through the clouds overhead. Then came a bright light, an oder of sulpher filled the air, and about fifty feet from where he stood a missile buried itself in the ground scorching the grass about and melting the gravel where it fell. The opening showed the object to have buried twelve feet deep. Since then it has gradually worked to the surface.
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite information Request
Rosemary and All, I got the same letter and sent a brief crash course on meteorites.(emphasis on classifying) I received no reply. If he is sending it out to everyone then he may be trying to set up a scam. Best, Ken Rosemary Hackney wrote: Hi I received this message.. can anyone help this guy?Rosie - Original Message - From: Umar Abbas To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 9:46 AMSubject: Meteorite information Request Hello, Please permit me to introduce myself to you. I am Mr. Umar Abbas, the executive Director of A.G. NISAMA LIMITED. A rough gemstone supplying industry. I will like to have more information regarding Nigerian meteorites. I have come across several individuals that are in possession of the stone called meteorite, which is referred over here as thunder stone. I will like to know the real fact about this stone. I trade primarily in gemstones, but I wouldnt mind if I could find my way through the meteorite business. I received several enquiries regarding this stone, most especially the Hadeja meteorite, but being a novice in the field; I find it difficult to give them the correct information. My problems here is: how to identify the real meteorite, and where would I get a buyer. I will also like to know if meteorites have other names apart the categorical name Meteorite If the answer to the above is yes, then does one class of meteorite have more value than the other? When and where can a meteorite be found? I will be very grateful if I can find someone who can guide me through, I will also create a page in my website www.agnisama.com for the meteorite. My interest in becoming a meteorite collector is always in the high side. Your early response would be highly appreciated. Thank you for your kind assistance and co-operation. Sincere regards Umar Abbas A.G. NISAMA LIMITED#J9B. Behind Filing Ball Clinic,Nass. Gwong, P.O. Box 3111, Jos,Plateau State.Nigeria.Phone : 234-73-458200Mobile: 234-803-3173746 234-804-4109943Fax: 1-2484846715E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Website: http://www.agnisama.com/ Your #1 African Rough Gems Supplier Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here
[meteorite-list] Ugliest Gibeon?
Greetings All: This has got to be the ugliest Gibeon I have ever seen: METEORITE 74lb. 33300gr. GIBEON. namibia RARE Item # 718994851 (If it is Gibeon, then it was adopted and raised by a family of Nantans ;>) Perhaps we should have "The Ugliest Meteorite Contest?" Best, ken newton BTW- Do any of the computer geniuses on List know why the List emails are failing to reach all __ @earthlink.net subscribers?
Re: [meteorite-list] This is the only Hen Bearing Meteorite in the world
Tim, I thinks I have one of it's 'eggs' free range 'egg' best, ken newton wrongs on ebay Tim Heitz wrote: Hello List, I hope this hen doesn't lay a bunch of little ones, it might flood the market http://www.meteorman.org/Hen_Bearing_.htm Get your meteorites for free, head for the desert now.:-[ Tim Heitz Midwest Meteorites - Home of THE METEORITE PUSHER http://www.meteorman.org
[meteorite-list] Mystery Sighting
Greetings All, What I am about to share with you is a daytime 'meteor' sighting by a credible witness. The sighting itself is well, "unusual" to say the least. However, I take the possibility of finding a new meteorite very serious. What I feel may be 'strange' in this narration, may be 'rooted in truth' to someone more experienced. I would appreciate any feedback that may lead to solving this mystery sighting or at least arriving at a reasonable conclusion. To conserve bandwidth, the narrative is located here: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/ew.html Best, Ken Newton wrongs on ebay
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Sighting
Bernd and all, This is NOT a practical joke. The witness is a writer but it is NOT our Kevin Kichinka. This thing is goofy enough without having to make anything up! Best, Ken Bernd Pauli HD wrote: Ken wrote: To conserve bandwidth, the narrative is located here: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/ew.html Hi Ken and List, Some months back I was standing in the driveway of ... 's home near Fort Myers [FL] s Revelatory, ... as there are only a few list members from that area! And the English (s)he uses is so refined that you almost see him or them in person :-) Goodnight, it's late here and my alarm clock will tenderly wake me up at about 5 a.m. because I still have to work for school ! Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Ron 1
Tom, Have you read FAQ , under heading "What Does a Meteorwrong Look Like?" Best, Ken Newton James_TOM Knudson wrote: Have you list people read this? You should! Tom http://www.marslife.com/marsrock/dearron3.htm Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here
Re: [meteorite-list] More on Teenager 'struck by meteorite'
Siobhan Cowton says "I thought it was a stone, but it looked very unusual, with a bubbled surface and lots of tiny indentations - a bit like volcanic lava." Lightened photo After looking at the photo, I have to agree with Miss Cowton. It does look like volcanic lava. Perhaps a piece recently removed from someone's outdoor barbecue. (I have a bunch of these available with black crust [burnt sauce]- Just like photo) If she waits till after it is examined to sell it, I'm afraid she will not get enough $ for a new bottle of nail polish. Best, Ken Newton Photo's Dark? Keith wrote: There are more details about this incident and a picture in teh article "Teenager 'struck by meteorite'" It stated: "A North Yorkshire teenager is convinced she has been hit by a meteorite which could be billions of years old. Siobhan Cowton says the small lump of warm rock fell from the sky over Northallerton and landed on her foot." http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_658058.html?menu=news.scienceanddiscovery http://www.ananova.com/images/web/27102.jpg The "meteorite" looks like a piece of coal slag. But I could be wrong. Have Fun Keith New Orleans, LA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Near Movie
All, If you seen this the please disregard. The black-and-white pictures taken by NEAR during its last minutes have been strung together to make a one-minute film. Nasa's probe filmed the last three miles of its decent with the last frame 422ft above the surface of Eros. I thought it pretty neat. http://near.jhuapl.edu/iod/20010731/index.html Best, Ken Newton #9632 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
