Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Times Magazine 20 Year Anniversary Issue

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Thanks Paul and Jim for all the great magazines and hard work!
Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Paul Harris via Meteorite-list 
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Sent: Sun, May 15, 2022 8:36 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Times Magazine 20 Year Anniversary Issue

Hello Everyone,

The May issue of Meteorite Times is now up.  It's hard to believe that 
this is our 20 year anniversary issue.  Our first issue was in April 
2002 back when Meteorite Times was monthly. We'd like to give a special 
thank you to all of the writers over the years who have contributed 
articles to Meteorite Times. And a special thank you to Martin Horejsi, 
James Tobin, John Kashuba, and Mitch Noda for their continued article 
support.

With the May issue we have a new web hosting company providing better 
performance and as our old template was not being supported anymore I 
have created a new template using Elementor with an updated look but 
same layout functionality. If anyone notices any errors or strange 
behavior please contact me off list.

https://www.meteorite-times.com/

Enjoy!

Paul and Jim

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Bonhams Natural History auction on May 17 offers 50+ lots of stellar planetary 
meteorite specimens, including a complete Canyon Diablo example with superb 
regmaglypts. Browse the auction and register to bid online.
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Re: [meteorite-list] sad news from Twink Monrad

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I am so very sorry to hear that. Steve was a wonderful and fun guy. My sincere 
condolences.
Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Lawrence Monrad via Meteorite-list 
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Sent: Tue, Mar 29, 2022 8:10 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] sad news from Twink Monrad

I have some sad news to report. Steve Smith 
of Virginia passed away yesterday after a battle with cancer.He and Vickie were 
enthusiastic members of the meteorite world and were loyal and regular visitors 
to the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show.  Many of us who became friends of theirs 
will remember their humor, kindness and all around goodness.   Twink Monrad    

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Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for Portales

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Hi Dennis,
 
 if you are looking for Portales Valley and  you want to contact me off list I 
know someone who has some of the most beautiful slices. I can put you in touch 
with him.
 
Sonny Clary
wahlpe...@aol.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Frank Cressy via Meteorite-list 
To: dennis beatty 
Cc: meteorite list 
Sent: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 8:48 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for Portales

Hi Dennis,
I assume you are looking for Portales Valley, the H7 metallic melt breccia that 
is a witnessed fall? However, there are 4 "Portales meteorites; Portales(a), 
Portales(b), Portales(c), and Portales Valley.
Price on Portales Valley depends on whether it is all stone or shows metallic 
veining.  Not real common to find full slices now, but Meteorite Market has 
some part slices for sale at about $40/gram.
All the best,
Frank


On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:28 AM, dennis beatty via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:



I am interested in purchasing a whole slice of Portales.  Can someone direct me 
to a good source...and let me know what I might expect to pay?


Thanks!

Dennis Beatty

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Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger's Meteorite Museum Ruins

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Hi Karlis,


The owner of the Land has closed the road leading to the ruins and posted no 
trespassing. We were told that they are worried about the building collapsing 
and possibly injuring someone.


Sonny


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-Original Message-
From: Meteoriti.LV via Meteorite-list 
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Sent: Fri, Jul 21, 2017 10:02 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Nininger's Meteorite Museum Ruins



Dear Friends,


Could somebody tell if that is possible and how to reach the Ruins of the old 
Nininger's Meteorite Museum? I heard that the road is closed but is there any 
way to visit a place? 


In a few weeks time we will visit US for the great Solar Eclipse and we have 
included Barringer crater in our car trip. 
I have never been there at the site so I would appreciate any advise.
Thanks!


Best Regards,
Karlis Berzins
Meteoriti.LV

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Re: [meteorite-list] Bolivia Meteorite Adventure

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Hi Greg,


Great story way to go!


Sonny



-Original Message-
From: Greg Hupe via Meteorite-list 
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Sent: Tue, Dec 13, 2016 8:51 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bolivia Meteorite Adventure

Bolivia Meteorite AdventureBy Gregory M. HupeOn November 20, 2016 a massive 
meteorite event took place over Aiquile, Bolivia at approximately 5:00 p.m. 
local time.  While still daylight, Quechua Indian eyewitnesses saw ‘corkscrew’ 
smoke trails and heard ‘whooshing’ noises followed by sonic booms and then 
stones literally falling at their feet!Michael Farmer and I went to Aiquile to 
hunt for meteorites and attempt to acquire stones from the inhabitants. Things 
didn’t quite work out that way…Welcome to Aiquile 
Bolivia.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia1.jpgPossibly
 the main mass, an approximately 35-kilogram 
impactor.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia2.jpgTown
 Square in center of 
Aiquile.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia3.jpgCharango
 guitar with caballero and bull sculpture in the town 
square.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia4.jpgIt 
would take us over two weeks after the fall to fly to Bolivia due to Mike’s 
yearly show commitment in Japan.  Just 24 hours at home after returning from 
the show, Michael flew to Florida to meet me.  On December 8th we began our 
journey to South America from Miami.  Our travels would take us by air to 
Aiquile by way of La Paz and then on to Cochabamba and then by private hire to 
Aiquile.  With no sleep for over 30 hours of travel from home to the dusty town 
near the strewnfield, we were exhausted but too excited to rest. We went right 
to work meeting with fellow meteorite hunter, Dario Ruiz, who had been there 
for two weeks.  He introduced us to individuals about hunting for meteorites or 
buying some, but our hopes were quickly dampened by the news of the town’s 
government putting up road blocks to deny access to the strewnfield.  It turns 
out that the officials were confiscating stones from the Quechua finders which 
put them in a panic and afraid to talk to outsiders.  Things quickly became 
complicated.Dario, Michael and Greg in 
Aiquile.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia5.jpgView
 looking up the Aiquile strewnfield from the Quechua 
trail.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia6.jpgCactus
 are a common beauty in the 
strewnfield.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia7.jpgWe
 realized we were not going to be able to hunt for stones ourselves without the 
threat of arrest, or far worse, physical harm from protective villagers we were 
told may use force to stop outsiders from hunting. Knowing this, we immediately 
went to ‘Plan B’ and were granted secret meetings with owners of pieces from 
the fall.  To our thrill and amazement, we were able to see several stones 
ranging from small broken fragments to large kilo-sized pieces.  Throughout the 
48-hours we were on site we were told of several large pieces included a 
50-kilo ‘Puzzle Stone’ which we believe to be just rumor as is consistent with 
most falls.Reflecting upon a fresh 
meteorite.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia8.jpg100-plus
 gram 
fragment.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia9.jpgSame
 100-gram fragment displaying 
‘Slickensides’.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia10.jpgInterior
 indicating a shocked high metal H 
Chondrite.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia11.jpgOn
 our second day we had an early start with a scheduled meeting to see some 
stones, but being on ‘Bolivia time’ we sat for several hours waiting, waiting 
and waiting some more.  To keep us from leaving and going to other contacts, 
our new friend entertained us with some guitar play dressed in his caballero 
ranch clothing made of javelina, lama and other durable animal skins.  Aiquile 
is known as the ‘Capitol of Charango’ (guitar) where the guitar is 
manufactured. It was nice to enjoy this flavor of music high in the mountain 
village.Local Quechua playing a Charango 
guitar.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia12.jpgVideo
 of the music of Bolivian 
friendship:http://www.naturesvault.net/Videos/AiquileBoliviaVideo1.mp4Newly 
fallen meteorite with Charango 
guitar.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia13.jpgNoon
 was soon upon us with nobody bearing stones for us to consider so we walked 
down the street for lunch and chose one of a few street vendors offering 
potatoes and sausage.  We ventured to the local market and town square for a 
little tourism while we were there.  The meal was very tasty and the 
sightseeing was nice but we were eager to get back to work.Quechua 

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

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Hi Doug and list,

Wow what a great meteorite hunting adventure. Thank god you had the survival 
pack of Oatmeal cream pies and strawberry treat cakes to help make it through 
the night!

Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Sat, Apr 30, 2016 12:00 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Osceola

Contributed by: Mexico Doug

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=04/30/2016
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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

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: ) 


-Original Message-
From: Linton Rohr via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: Jim Wooddell <jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net>
Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 19, 2016 2:10 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women 
Meteorite

Hi folks,

I just came across this old thread regarding the Old Woman's "potential 
sisters". I'm wondering if there's been any further developments on their 
recovery.

We stopped by the Barstow Discovery Center last week, intending to visit the 
main mass again, but had forgotten that they're closed on Mondays. Argh.

Next time for sure!

Linton


-Original Message- 
From: Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:55 PM
To: Carl Agee
Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old 
Women Meteorite

Hi Carl! I agree it is good where it's at.  I really appreciated the
opportunity to touch and see the
Old Woman Meteorite.
The girl in the office gave me the evil eye when I tried to roll it out
of the BLM building!
She thought I was joking around!  ;)

If there truly are additional pieces of the old gal, some one ought to
go get it and re-unite them.
I think UCLA should be jumping all over this with a vengeance. Funds
could be raised to retrieve these.
Russia would do it, I bet!

I volunteer to be part of the ground crew and donate money to help make
it happen by a qualified organization

Won't believe it until I see pictures.  Hiding something like this is
nuts!  I am mean really.

Now back to watching epoxy cure!
I need to call you next week.

Jim


On 5/21/2014 2:20 PM, Carl Agee wrote:
> I think the Old Woman could be in worse hands. Last time I checked the
> Smithsonian was our county's repository for national treasures --
> i.e., it belongs to all Americans. I certainly enjoyed seeing the full
> slice on my last visit there -- also good to know that the main mass
> is on display in California for tourists to appreciate.
>
> Carl Agee
> *
> Carl B. Agee
> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
> MSC03 2050
> University of New Mexico
> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>
> Tel: (505) 750-7172
> Fax: (505) 277-3577
> Email: a...@unm.edu
> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> Hi Sonny,
>>
>> I thought the miners..or one of them passed?
>>
>> Let's go get it!  Did they say how big the other pieces are?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote:
>>> Hey Adam and list
>>>
>>>> Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government.
>>> Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.
>>>
>>> With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third 
>>> piece
>>> has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I have 
>>> tried
>>> to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that the meteorite
>>> would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it alone. This would 
>>> be
>>> a great case to challenge in court.
>>>
>>> Sonny
>>>
>>>

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[meteorite-list] First look inside new meteorite from Crosbyton, TX fireball

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Hi List,

We just received this meteorite back from TCU. Here it is, a look inside this 
beautiful freshly fallen meteorite that Terry Scott and I recovered near 
Crosbyton, TX after the Feb. 18, 2016 fireball. The meteorite is pristine with 
a beautiful light grey matrix loaded with chondrules and metal flakes. Official 
name and classification still pending. The images are also on my Facebook page 
where they appear a little clearer.

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Crosbyton_Texas_Fireball_2016.html


Sonny
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

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Hi Rob/All

 I know Doug has been working very hard for the new find / finds! Way to go 
Doug and everyone involved in the great recovery!


Sonny


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From: Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 14, 2016 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

Hi Sonny/All,

Note the label on the picture: Osceola #8.  Doug is letting us in on a little 
secret he's
been holding onto for the last 6 weeks or so -- that he knows the pictured find 
is
#8 means that he ~also~ found #7, since previously only six finds were known. 
:-)

Like Larry and Mike's team, Doug put in a lot of days out there, and would 
probably
be there now if not for a serious injury suffered during the course of his 
efforts.
I'd wish him a speedy recovery, but given the amount of time he's already been
laid up, that ship has sailed. So instead I'll wish for Doug that each day is a 
little
bit better than the last and that a full recovery isn't too far off.  --Rob

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Behalf Of wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:25 AM
To: valpar...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; mexicod...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

Hi Doug,

Great find? How many hours for your meteorite find?

Sonny


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Sent: Wed, Apr 13, 2016 1:00 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Osceola

Contributed by: Mexico Doug

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=04/13/2016
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

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Hi Doug,

Great find? How many hours for your meteorite find?

Sonny


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Sent: Wed, Apr 13, 2016 1:00 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Osceola

Contributed by: Mexico Doug

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=04/13/2016
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Re: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite hunt

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Thanks for all of the nice replies. I wanted to also thank Mendy for getting an 
early start and driving out to the area and helping out. We were also joined by 
Richard Garcia 
who was only able to hunt one day. Richard drove all the way from California. 
He got to hunt one day (unfortunately the day it rained) and then had to leave 
early due to an unexpected emergency at Home. 

It was nice to see so many great meteorite hunters in one place and hear their 
wonderful stories. 

Sonny
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[meteorite-list] New Texas Meteorite from the February 2016 fireball

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Hi List,

I would like to announce the discovery of a new meteorite from the February 
2016 Texas fireball. This find was made possible by a collaboration of efforts 
from many individuals. Thanks to everyone involved. Special congratulations to 
Terry Scott. 

Sonny 


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Sonny_Clary_meteorite_hunts_nevadameteorites.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Osceola/Lake City Florida

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Hi Mike and Larry,

Great report, congratulations on all the finds!

Sonny


-Original Message-
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Sent: Sun, Feb 14, 2016 5:35 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Osceola/Lake City Florida

Hello List,I'm happy to announce the recovery of the January 24 event over 
northern Florida.  For the complete story, please go to 
http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/comets/osceola-meteorite-recovery/Enjoy!Sincerely,Larry
 Atkins IMCA # 1941Ebay alienrockfarm 
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[meteorite-list] Bob's new Indian Butte find

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Hi List ,

For those of you not on Facebook here is a link to Bob Grueneberg's recent 
Indian Butte find.

Sonny

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_Az_Metorite_Sonny_Clary_page_4.html
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[meteorite-list] Looking for Tucson Meteorite vendor list.

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Hi All,

Looking for the meteorite vendor list for Tucson.

Thanks,
Sonny
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Re: [meteorite-list] K9 unit to search for meteorites / Brix's pups/

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Hi David and List,

What a great story. Brix is now seven years old and still loves to train on 
finding meteorites. Any dog with a high prey drive can find meteorites. I was 
reading a story about Conservation Dogs http://www.conservationdogs.com when 
the idea came up on K9's finding meteorites. These dogs can be trained to find 
almost anything. I was able to contact one of the trainers to ask for help 
training. Most of the trainers would not tell me how they were training the 
Conservation dogs. One of the trainers finally said they used the Cadaver dog 
handbook for starting the dogs on scent training. One of Brix's favorite games 
is to have me dig three different holes in my training pit. I  then place his 
toy in the hole and cover it up. While I am hiding the toy Brix is placed on 
the side of the house out of view of the sand pit. Within seconds he easily 
detects the ball. Anything is possible with these dogs. Brix is great at 
finding Chondrites. I would like to teach him how to detect iron meteorites. 

Brix has 3 beautiful Pure Bred German Shepherd puppies available for adoption. 
They are 11 weeks old and are AKC UKC registered. If anyone is interested I can 
put you in contact with the owner of the Female who has the pups. These dogs 
have potential to be excellent meteorite K9's as well as being full protection 
dogs and or service dogs. 

Sonny

nevadameteorites.com


  


-Original Message-
From: David Allepuz via Meteorite-list 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2015 8:47 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] K9 unit to search for meteorites




Hello,
Now it's public.
A K9 police unit has been specifically trained to search for meteorites as 
part of an experiment to find the limits of canine detection possibilities.

http://www.doogweb.es/2015/12/09/perros-detectores-de-meteoritos/


We have been part of these project and are amazed with the results.

Proof test have been conducted with different meteorites and climatic 
conditions: Amazing, Kaly marks also meteorites he was not trained for. 
Meteorites that we bring as our particular test.
A first field attemp in Villalbeto de la Peña  was conducted without result 
(cerfifying there is no one more? as we have visited the area dozens of 
times without success)

Now we only need a new fall.
Sorry, Bingol would not work, Kaly is trained to search Chondrites.

Great notice for Brix and Hopper: Kaly is a female!



David Allepuz
www.meteorits.cat
www.cazameteoritos.es
www.meteorite.land
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Outstanding 100 % fully crusted Creston complete individual

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Hi List,

I just returned from hunting for the Creston meteorite. Our team spent 5 days 
(3 guys) hunting on the first trip and 3 days ( 4 guys) on the second trip . 
There was a total of
230 man hours spent in the field hunting. This was a very tough hunt. Every 
piece of land was private property and we spent an extensive amount of time 
securing permission to hunt these fields. On the first trip we recovered two 
meteorites; 102 and 82 gram pieces. Both of these pieces are spoken for. 
Another stone was acquired on our second trip. It weighs 72.6 grams and is a 
beautiful 100% fully crusted individual. It has flow lines down both sides and 
a roll over lip. It is shaped like an axe head with  fusion crusted chondrules 
peeking out from under the crust. This is truly a spectacular piece and is the 
only complete specimen for sale from this fall to date. 

To my knowledge there has been a total of 6 stones recovered from this fall 
with a TKW of 852.3 grams. This total includes the three stones mentioned 
above. This was a very tough hunt and there were many hunters out in the fields 
over the past week. Again as far as I know there was only 6 stones recovered. I 
hope to post some pictures from the hunt over the next few days. If you are 
interested in the complete individual you can see it on mine or Terry Scott's 
Facebook page or check back on my website www.nevadameteorites.com in a couple 
of days. I am going to take more photos of it tomorrow and then post them on my 
website along with some trip pictures of the team. I want to give a special 
congratulations to Terry Scott for finding these beautiful stones. His first 
find was made less than 24 hours after the initial Creston meteorite was found. 
This hunt was successful from the combined efforts of all of those involved. If 
you are interested in this stone contact off list for pricing.
  

Sonny Clary




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Re: [meteorite-list] Time for change - here in US (was, Re: something about Las Vegas)

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 in this current situation.  My offer 
of USchondrite type-specimen was actuallydirected to researchers outside of 
theUSA.  Again, that was stated in my article, as well.Your defense of 
USgeochemists is commendable, but unnecessary in this instance. I don't need 
toask their position on this funding matter.  It's well documented. But maybe 
weshould also ask the opinion of other researchers, maybe even outside of 
theMetSoc.  Maybe even outside of the USA.  Ask them what they think about us 
notrecording or documenting (let alone not classifying) newly found meteorites. 
Researchers like those that are studying the rate of influx and number offalls 
per unit area.  And other researchers such as those that are interested 
inknowing exactly how many small meteoroids are flying around in the vicinity 
ofour astronauts. We should ask all of them. We should ask all thestakeholders. 
 Even US taxpayers, who are stakeholders as well, because I'm surethey are 
assuming their tax dollars are being spent wisely on protecting themfrom 
meteoroids hitting them.   I'm sure all of these various people arecounting on 
us to do our job in this regard, and not to literally ignore foundmeteorites. 
I've been waiting for one of the other old-timers to make thisrealization and 
make a comment, but I'm getting more impatient as I get older.So, I'll say it 
now.  It wasn't that long ago that we, as USmeteorite-hunters, were thanking 
our lucky stars that we didn't have to dealwith all of the stifling regulations 
that our comrades in Australia and Canadawere having to put-up with.  But they 
made some crucial adjustments in theirculture and now those countries are 
experiencing a golden age inmeteorite-recovery. It's amazing how fast things 
have turned 180 degrees. Bob V. P.S. - please allow me to update this table of 
recoverydata:Stewart Valley - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 
6different classifications, only the H6 and L6 are paired.  Where's thebeef?   
Tungston Mountain - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 10are 
unpaired, the eight H4s are probably paired.  Still no justification for 
acomplaint. Lucerne Valley - over120 meteorites, CK are the majority of the 
66classifieds, but there were 5 unique classes in the first 7 finds, 9 in 12, 
10in 15. Coyote Dry lake - over 350 recorded finds, only 82 are in MBD, so 
far56 of these are classified. >8 unique classes.  No one has done a 
pairingstudy.Stump Springs  130 field-numbered finds, only 84 provisional 
numbers,only 1 classified find.  No strewn-field data is published.Yelland Dry 
lake Hundreds of fragments, and only one classification.  Worlds only one 
meteoritedry lake!  Was there any strewn-field data recorded?There still is no 
estimateof how many original masses formed all of these clusters of fragments, 
or theirlocations.   This is one big fuster cluck. 
------------On Tue, 9/15/15, wahlperry---via 
Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: Subject: 
Re:[meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind. 
To:raremeteori...@centurylink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Date:Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 1:53 PM  Hi Bob, Adam and List,  >This is 
aconcern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to >write on 
thissubject in three separate articles, which essentially said, >"Hey, here 
aresome US chondrites that need to be classified."  >Still haven't received 
anyoffers deleted  Stewart Valley  TBR plus finds finds, TungstonMountain  TBR 
meteorites/ fragments Lucerne Valley  124 meteorites CoyoteDry lake 341 
meteorites Stump Springs  130 plus meteorites Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of 
fragments   more deletions

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Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind.

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Hi Bob, Adam and List,

>This is a concern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to
>write on this subject in three 
>separate articles, which essentially said,
>"Hey, here are some US chondrites that need to be classified." 
>Still haven't
>received any offers

Do you think that the scientists that are classifying these stones have been 
overwhelmed by the high number of stones coming from the same recovery area?  
Even when meteorites are found within a known area the finders often feel that 
they are different and are eager to have them classified. Many of the stones 
are obviously paired and it may not make financial sense for the scientists to 
spend time and resources on each individual stone. I do realize that their have 
been stones found that are uniquely different than others in the same dense 
collection area. I believe those should be classified without a doubt. What I 
am trying to decide at what point does classifying each tiny fragment become 
excessive? Maybe we should ask the Scientists that do the classifications what 
their opinion is.

Stewart Valley  120 plus finds finds,
Tungston Mountain  600 meteorites/ fragments
Lucerne Valley  124 meteorites
Yelland Dry lake  Hundreds of fragments 
Coyote Dry lake 341 meteorites
Stump Springs  130 plus meteorites

 
>I gave up on a classification that was submitted in 2005.  It was a fresh 
>type
>3 oriented chondrite that my wife, Zann found.  It was the very first

>meteorite she ever recovered and it was a cold find.  It would have been

>serial number one but I think the unsavory practice of embargoing dry lake

>bed finds interfered with the classification data being published in the

>Bulletin.

>I no longer submit U.S. finds for classification.  I prefer to
>keep 
>personally found meteorites whole and intact.  Why cut a personal find
>when 
>the odds of it being published are slim, even with the data submitted by
>a 
>Nom Com recognized scientist?  Mine stay in a box so that I can enjoy the

>memories of the hunt at a later date.


>Adam

Hi Adam, I don't know your situation on the issue of embargoing dry lake beds 
or collection areas. Regarding Zann's find were there any previous finds made 
at that lake bed? If so, I feel the original finder should get the credit and 
the first number. The subsequent finds should be issued numbers in order of 
their find date. The only case that a find should get a new number is if it was 
a new area with no previous meteorite finds. Many of the lake beds have been 
hunted for years with great success. There were hundreds of field hours put in, 
 recording of data, etc.  I had a similar issue when a meteorite was found in 
an area that I had been working. I had hundreds of hours involved, stones 
classified,  provisional numbers, etc. Another stone was found by a hunter and 
he attempted to have his find assigned #1. Both the finder and the scientist 
doing his classification knew my history with this area and the many finds 
made. They still attempted to get the number changed. When they were
  unsuccessful they tried to change the name of that find. It was clearly 
paired with finds from the area. It is amazing that someone would attempt this. 


Sonny

 




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Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 9:42 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind.


I gave up on a classification that was submitted in 2005.  It was a fresh type3 
oriented chondrite that my wife, Zann found.  It was the very firstmeteorite 
she ever recovered and it was a cold find.  It would have beenserial number one 
but I think the unsavory practice of embargoing dry lakebed finds interfered 
with the classification data being published in theBulletin.I no longer submit 
U.S. finds for classification.  I prefer tokeep personally found meteorites 
whole and intact.  Why cut a personal findwhen the odds of it being published 
are slim, even with the data submitted bya Nom Com recognized scientist?  Mine 
stay in a box so that I can enjoy thememories of the hunt at a later 
date.Adam- Original Message- From: "Robert Verish via 
Meteorite-list"To: 
;; "Larry Atkins" 
Cc:Sent: Tuesday, 
September 15, 2015 9:15AMSubject: 
 Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiewafind.No 
Larry,There actually is a problem.John's "opinion" is acommon misconception 
that I even held until I personally learned of thisrecent trend.This is a 
concern that others have shared with me, and hasprompted me to write on this 
subject in threeseparate articles, whichessentially said, "Hey, here are some 
US chondrites that need to beclassified."Still haven't received any offers.My 
request 

Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.

[wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list]

Hi Carl,

What ever happened with your Cat Mountain meteorite?  Here Kitty Kitty!

Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list 
To: bigjohnshea ; Larry Atkins ; 
Robert Verish 
Cc: Robert Verish via Meteorite-list 
Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.


List, A word of warning; if you are in the Vegas area DO NOT let it leave 
yourhands or chances are you will never see it again anyway . 
Justsayin!Carl--Love & Life Robert Verish via 
Meteorite-list wrote: > No Larry, > There 
actually is aproblem. > John's "opinion" is a common misconception that I even 
held until Ipersonally learned of this recent trend. > This is a concern that 
others haveshared with me, and has prompted me to write on this subject in 
three >separate articles, which essentially said, "Hey, here are some US 
chondritesthat need to be classified." > Still haven't received any offers.  > 
> Myrequest still stands. > I would like to hear from people with recent 
experiencein this area that can point me in the direction of > a cheap 
classifier thatstill accepts small, ordinary chondrites.  > I suspect when I 
find one it willbe outside the US. > > Bob V.> 
>> On Tue, 9/15/15, Larry Atkins 
viaMeteorite-list  wrote:> >  Subject: 
Re:[meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.>  
To:bigjohns...@mail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>  
Cc:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>  Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 
5:28AM>  >  Hi John, List,>  >  You may be right about not having a 
problemgetting a US chondrite classified, however, >  if it was found in the 
Mojavedesert it is likely to get a number instead of a name.>  Unfortunately, 
Nom Comwill likely lump it in with the nearest DCA, >  >  I'm wondering how 
muchlonger it will be before the entire Mojave desert is one big>  DCA like 
NWA?> >  >  >  Sincerely,>  Larry Atkins>   >  IMCA # 1941> Ebay alienrockfarm> 
  >  >  >  -Original>  Message->  From:Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
>  To:mstreman53 >  
Cc: Meteorite Mailing List>  Sent: Tue, 
Sep 15, 2015 5:07 am> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert 
needed to rewiew afind.>  >  >  I'd love to see a photo also, but I live in 
Philadelphia so Iwon't be>  seeingthis in person. :-) That aside,I'm assuming 
from>  your postthat this is a"chondrite" native to the>  USA, and not just 
another NWA. I haveabout 25>  NWA'sundergoing classification now, and I have 
more>  I'd like toget classified but itis indeed hard to find>  a lab that will 
work on NWAs thatlook like obvious OCs. I>  think that is a mistake on their 
part, because thereare so>  many uniquethings to be found in meteorites.  >  In 
my opinion, manylabs would thinkdifferently about a>  "native" US chondrite, 
than an NWAchondrite.  I>  do notthink you will have trouble finding a home for 
it if> it is a USA find.  Cheers,John > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 at 
5:47PMFrom: "MEM viaMeteorite-list"> To: 
"Meteorite>  MailingList"Subject: 
[meteorite-list]>  Local toLasVegas expert needed to rewiew a find.I am in>  
contact with a Las Vegasresidentwho has, by all appearances>  fair-sized, fresh 
chondrite. If you arewillingand able to>  inspect in person and get her stone 
into the system,> pleasesend me your contact information for forwarding. Pics> 
onrequest.Regards,Elton> __> >Visit 
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Re: [meteorite-list] September Issue of Meteorite Times now up

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Hi Paul and Jim,

Thanks for another great issue of Meteorite Times.

Sonny


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Sent: Sun, Sep 6, 2015 6:25 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] September Issue of Meteorite Times now up


Hello Everyone,The September issue of Meteorite Times is now up.Our 
IMCAInsights article this month is by Ellen Crapster-Pregont, a PhD candidate 
atColumbia University in the Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences. 
Shereceived the 2015 Brian Mason Travel Award supported by the 
InternationalMeteorite Collectors Association for the 78th Annual Meteoritical 
SocietyMeeting.Browser view -> 
http://www.meteorite-times.com/2015/09/Magazineview 
->http://issuu.com/meteorite-times/docs/meteorite-times_2015_9Enjoy!PaulandJimhttp://www.meteorite-times.com/__Visitour
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2015 article and photos

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WOW what great pictures.It looks like a lot of fun and good eating!

Sonny


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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2015 article and photos


Martin,Super, super--thanks.John- Original Message -From: "Martin Goff 
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 Wednesday, September 02, 2015 4:39PMSubject: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2015 
article and photosHiall,Just uploaded write up and photos from the Ensisheim 
show 2015 to mywebsite.Please take a look and hopefully it will evoke some good 
memoriesorif you have not yet been entice you to come along 
nextyear(http://msg-meteorites.co.uk/meteorite-adventures/the-ensisheim-meteorite-show-2015/)Enjoy:-)CheersMartin--
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5000 Thinnest Slices Ever Produced - AD

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Hey Greg,

Great web site. It is always nice to look at all the meteorite pictures!

Sonny


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Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2015 12:34 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 5000 Thinnest Slices Ever Produced - AD


Dear List Members,I am happy to announce that I am now offering:'TheThinnest 
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Many have asked, What lunar meteorite could possibly bebetter than NWA 
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[meteorite-list] Retractable meteorite cane found while hunting for meteorites.

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Hi All, 

I have been out exploring areas in Nevada and Utah for meteorites and photo 
opportunities. It is amazing how many unique treasures you are able to find. 
Not to mention
the wildlife and weather events. I hope to post a few pictures later. I did 
find a retractable meteorite cane on a lake bed. Not the treasure I was hoping 
for! It looks like it has been lying on the lake bed surface for a year or two 
but still in great shape. Email off list if you think this is yours and want it 
back.

Sonny 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Retractable meteorite cane found while hunting formeteorites.

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Hi Art and List,

That is so true. I really enjoy spending my time exploring the deserts. I can't 
wait to see what the forecasted El Nino rains will uncover in the desert 
Southwest. I found some sea shells out in the middle of the sand dunes (of all 
places). I assume they were transported there. Or maybe even traded by the 
Native Americans? 

Speaking of Native Americans,I had the privilege to be invited to a ceremonial 
dance in Arizona on a large Reservation. It was  great to experience their 
culture and to witness their dances. What an awesome experience. I was even 
given a handmade basket which is used in their traditional dances by one of the 
tribal members. The whole experience was surreal and I will cherish the 
memories forever. 

Sonny

Greg, Sonny, List
I think the next best thing to the feeling that you'rewalking in a remote area 
where no one has been, is that you're walking in aremote area where a compadre 
has been


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Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2015 10:15 am
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Retractable meteorite cane found while hunting 
formeteorites.


Greg, Sonny, List;I think the next best thing to the feeling that you'rewalking 
in a remote area where no one has been, is that you're walking in aremote area 
where a compadre has been!-Art-OriginalMessage-From: 
Meteorite-list[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of 
Greg Hupe viaMeteorite-listSent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:01 AMTo: 
wahlpe...@aol.com;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: 
[meteorite-list] Retractablemeteorite cane found while hunting 
formeteorites.That's cool, Sonny.InFebruary I found a SOG knife on a dry lake 
bed in Nevada while 'finding'meteorites and mentioned I found a knife. A 
friend asked if it was a, GraySOG knife found on Dry Lake  Sure 
enough it was his that he lost twoyears prior and that it was a special gift 
from his son. I was happy to returnit back to him after it had a short vaca in 
Florida. Needless to say Jim W.was absolutely thrilled to have it back! 
:)BestRegards,GregGreg Hu
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 wahlperry--- via Meteorite-listSent: Friday, August 14,2015 11:34 AMTo: 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject:[meteorite-list] Retractable 
meteorite cane found while huntingformeteorites.Hi All,I have been out 
exploring areas in Nevada and Utahfor meteorites and photo opportunities. It is 
amazing how many unique treasuresyou are able to find. Not to mentionthe 
wildlife and weather events. I hopeto post a few pictures later. I did find a 
retractable meteorite cane on a lakebed. Not the treasure I was hoping for! It 
looks like it has been lying on thelake bed surface for a year or two bu
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Re: [meteorite-list] What's Happening; 2-18-15

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Hi Adam and List,

Check out this rock art that we found while hiking in a remote area. 
The image seems to resemble the one in your picture. I wonder if they 
could be related.


Sonny

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Interesting about the focus being put onto Native American cultures and 
the importance they place on meteorites.  I am fortunate that my wife, 
who is 50% Cherokee Native American, shares similar interests to this 
day.  She has never once complained about my fascination and spending 
on artifacts, meteorites and other collectables.  She recently joked 
about collecting land.  We will need it for the rock garden she has put 
together while spending a great deal of time with the new and improved 
Team LunarRock in the field.Below is an image of my wife admiring a 
famous and controversial 800 pound artifact that we purchased from the 
original finders and are storing among other collectables.  Some of you 
may recognize this artifact from a documentary show dedicated a 
complete episode to the piece.  I do not agree with the show host's 
interpretations, felt the urge to rescue it from his laboratory 
(studio) and purchased out from underneath them.  Many of these shows 
have no respect for such things and are more concerned with shamelessly 
promoting themselves.  I am onto a meteorite that weighs several times 
the amount of this artifact, is located on private property which is 
for sale and surrounded by lithic scatter meaning early man was drawn 
to it. It will definitely be a pallet buster like this piece!Link to an 
image of my wonderful wife and a recent 
acquisition:http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/ZannWithBullArtifact.jpgHapp
y Hunting,Adam Original Message - From: Shawn Alan via 
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Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Tuesday, February 
17, 2015 3:02 PMSubject: [meteorite-list] What's Happening; 2-18-15 
Hello Listers Enjoy Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html Website 
http://meteoritefalls.com What's Happening; 2-18-15 Cottonwood 
Meteorite Added to Exhibit March 1-Aug. 31 The Verde Valley 
Archaeology Center located at 385 S. Main Street in Camp Verde will 
add the Cottonwood Meteorite to an exhibit running from March 1 to 
Aug. 31. The loan of these meteorites from the Arizona State 
University Center for Meteorite Studies was arranged with the 
cooperation of Dr. Lawrence Garvie, Research Professor at the ASU 
School of Earth  Space Exploration. The Center will be hosting Dr. 
Garvie for a free talk on meteorites on March 3, at 7 p.m., in the 
Phillip England Center for the Performing Arts, 210 Camp Lincoln Road 
in Camp Verde. The Center will also give monthly talks on the 
importance and uses of meteorites among ancient Native American 
cultures during the span of the exhibit. Visit 
verdevalleyarchaeology.org or call (928) 567-0066 for more 
information. Source: 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

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Hi Twink and List,

What a nice find! You do not see to many Franconia meteorites that size 
any more. I think it might be tough for anyone to find that large of a 
meteorite in the Franconia strewn field today.


Sonny



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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: FranconiaContributed by: Twink 
Monradhttp://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=01/20/2015_
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[meteorite-list] Email for Rodrigo Martinez

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Hi

Looking to contact Rodrigo Martinez, If anyone has his email could you 
email me off list.


Thanks,
Sonny

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Re: [meteorite-list] November Issue of Meteorite Times Now Up

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Hey Paul and Jim,

Thanks for another great issue of Meteorite Times!

Sonny


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Hello Everyone,The November issue of Meteorite Times is now up. If 
anyone would like to be featured as one of our Meteorite People or 
would like to freshen up their old interview please reply off list.As 
always, a huge Thank You to all of our 
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Re: [meteorite-list] the stone of the dream better pics

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Hey Habibi,

Could you tell us the story how they were found and how far from the 
strewnfield. What great finds!


Sonny




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Subject: [meteorite-list] the stone of the dream  better pics


good morning;i just got the time  to get a look at my stones and to 
take better pics,this is  realy the kind of stones that wake me up 
early to open my office and to just look at them.  do i addict to 
meteorite; yes i m a big addict to meteorite and happy to 
be;https://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/azizh
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[meteorite-list] Arizona fireball hunt

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Hi List,

I just returned from a meteorite hunt in Arizona. I had a great time 
exploring some new areas in Arizona that I have never had a chance to 
visit before. I met several people who witnessed the recent fireball. 
One described the sound overhead as a truck backfiring. Another said he 
heard the explosion and felt the ground shake. Although I did not find 
any meteorites on this trip I still had a wonderful time taking 
photographs of the area. I always say even if you don't find a 
meteorite that the people you meet and the adventures along the way are 
as rewarding as finding a meteorite. Here is a link to some pictures 
that I took at Wupatki National Park of some ruins in the area. I was 
also able to visit 5 newly discovered ruins but was not able to 
photograph them. This is a beautiful area of the Southwest and I felt 
privileged to spend time there.


Sonny



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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???

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Hey Adam, Jim and List,

Meteorites are lying around like Easter Eggs you just need to go out 
and do a little hunting. I was able to recover 2.5 pounds over the last 
month in a new area. Last year while I was hunting the Indian Butte 
meteorite I stopped and talked with two BLM Rangers. We talked about 
meteorite hunting. The two rangers had no problem with me hunting for 
meteorites and wished me good luck. I have also talked with the Las 
Vegas BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have had no problem. I did 
contact the State of Arizona about hunting on State Land and they 
informed me that meteorite hunting on state land is not allowed. So far 
all of my experiences with the BLM and meteorite hunting has been 
positive. I can hopefully find some more Easter Eggs this weekend! :  )


Sonny


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The BLM adopted the UNESCO rules designed to protect cultural 
properties and turned them into laws.  These rules have been twisted 
into law by government servants overstepping their authority with no 
debate or intelligent input whatsoever.   I talked at great length over 
10 years ago with the late Richard Norton which sounded the alarm bells 
to anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened their position with 
the 10 pound limit and commercial permits which will never be issued 
based on television shows, falsely perceiving that meteorites are lying 
around like Easter Eggs and are worth a fortune.Not too many people 
have the resources to fight the federal government. Just talk to the 
miners that lost the Old Woman meteorite.   Our group, consisting of 
seven people, were warned by BLM agents from the Needles California 
office that meteorites are not to be resold and that they monitor eBay 
and other outlets.  Four prominent meteorite collector/dealers and a 
scientist were on this trip.   I was personally threatened, as were 
other team members, by them and will leave it at that.  Others on this 
list have been warned as well.  I will leave it up to other hunters to 
step forward with their unsavory experiences with the BLM if they feel 
so inclined.It is best to search on private property with written 
permission if want to resell your finds.  There has been  a lot of 
press about artifact hunters having their entire collections 
confiscated if they did not have provenance indicating their finds were 
made on private land.  Even then, you are not allowed to dig on private 
property for them.  They have to be surface finds. Remember, the laws 
written for artifacts and fossils now apply to meteorites even though 
meteorites were never mentioned in the UNESCO guidelines which were 
adopted into law.Jim, I am surprised that with all of the hunting you 
have engaged in over the years that you have not been personally 
involved with the BLM in the field.  Sometimes you run into a 
reasonable agent, but more than likely, you will run into one looking 
exert their authority.Adam- Original Message - From: Jim 
Wooddell via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comTo: 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:06 
AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? 
Hi Adam and all, Just for clarification on so called BLM Rules. The 
BLM put out a paper a while back the stirred up a ruckus.  The paper  
was a GUIDELINE for area supervisors to implement or not.  To be 
clear, they are not rules.  And, the BLM has  failed to issues claimed 
permits for commercial ventures when ask. If you can show me where 
these guidelines have become rules and have  actually been 
implemented, I'd like to see it. Jim On 5/20/2014 4:25 PM, 
Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list wrote: Hi Jim and All, Unless 
they predate 1972, meteorites found on public land cannot be used  
for commercial purposes according to the BLM interpretations rendering 
 them without commercial value.  This is even before the new laws 
 limited meteorite recoveries to 10 pounds a year or less without a 
 commercial permit.  The interesting thing is not a single commercial 
 permit has ever been issued despite being applied for. Sorry for 
the bad news, That is why it so important to treat private land 
owners with the utmost  respect in order to gain access to 
unrestricted search areas. Adam --  Jim Wooddell 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

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Hey Adam and list

Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government. 

Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.

With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third 
piece has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I 
have tried to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that 
the meteorite would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it 
alone. This would be a great case to challenge in court.


Sonny






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Sonny, That is great news.  I am not saying that every experience with 
the BLM has been a negative one for me.   I spent hours on the phone 
with three different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and 
got variable answers.  I was even told it was illegal to bring devices 
into an area that also contains heritage items or artifacts.  This 
included a magnet on a stick.   I did manage to get a permit to enter 
Ivanpah after one of my friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is 
that I do not want to see anybody hassled for selling meteorites found 
on public land.  The only consistent answer I ever got was that 
meteorites found on public land are not to be used for commercial 
purposes.Sell at your own risk.  For me, the thrill is finding 
them,Adam- Original Message - From: wahlpe...@aol.comTo: 
raremeteori...@centurylink.net; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:49 
AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake 
Finds???Hey Adam, Jim and List,Meteorites are lying around like Easter 
Eggs you just need to go outand do a little hunting. I was able to 
recover 2.5 pounds over the lastmonth in a new area. Last year while I 
was hunting the Indian Buttemeteorite I stopped and talked with two BLM 
Rangers. We talked aboutmeteorite hunting. The two rangers had no 
problem with me hunting formeteorites and wished me good luck. I have 
also talked with the LasVegas BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have 
had no problem. I didcontact the State of Arizona about hunting on 
State Land and theyinformed me that meteorite hunting on state land is 
not allowed. So farall of my experiences with the BLM and meteorite 
hunting has beenpositive. I can hopefully find some more Easter Eggs 
this weekend! :  )Sonny-Original Message- From: Raremeteorites 
via Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comTo: 
meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Wed, May 21, 
2014 9:08 amSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake 
Finds???The BLM adopted the UNESCO rules designed to protect 
culturalproperties and turned them into laws.  These rules have been 
twistedinto law by government servants overstepping their authority 
with nodebate or intelligent input whatsoever.   I talked at great 
length over10 years ago with the late Richard Norton which sounded the 
alarm bellsto anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened their 
position withthe 10 pound limit and commercial permits which will never 
be issuedbased on television shows, falsely perceiving that meteorites 
are lyingaround like Easter Eggs and are worth a fortune.Not too many 
peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government. Just talk to 
theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.   Our group, consisting 
ofseven people, were warned by BLM agents from the Needles 
Californiaoffice that meteorites are not to be resold and that they 
monitor eBayand other outlets.  Four prominent meteorite 
collector/dealers and ascientist were on this trip.   I was personally 
threatened, as wereother team members, by them and will leave it at 
that.  Others on thislist have been warned as well.  I will leave it up 
to other hunters tostep forward with their unsavory experiences with 
the BLM if they feelso inclined.It is best to search on private 
property with writtenpermission if want to resell your finds.  There 
has been  a lot ofpress about artifact hunters having their entire 
collectionsconfiscated if they did not have provenance indicating their 
finds weremade on private land.  Even then, you are not allowed to dig 
on privateproperty for them.  They have to be surface finds. Remember, 
the lawswritten for artifacts and fossils now apply to meteorites 
even thoughmeteorites were never mentioned in the UNESCO guidelines 
which wereadopted into law.Jim, I am surprised that with all of the 
hunting youhave engaged in over the years that you have not been 
personallyinvolved with the BLM in the field.  Sometimes you run into 
areasonable agent, but more than likely, you will run into one 
lookingexert their authority.Adam- Original Message - From: 
JimWooddell via Meteorite-list