Hi Sterling, Dirk, Doug, List -
Dirk's timeline never made it to me. While I did not
cover Navajo or Hopi traditions or their
archaeological sequences in Man and Impact in the
Americas, I don't have a problem with Dene (Navajo)
settlement at those times. The problem with the
Athabascan Bastards hypothesis is that the pueblos
were apparently under attack several hundred years
earlier. Of course, given the Mushkogean traditions,
there is an easy explanation available for this data.
This might be academic, but how populations responded
to climate changes in North America, and when those
climate changes occured, are not exactly trivial
questions. How did the Maunder Minimum affect North
America?
Dirk asks in another message about reviews. Well,
some of the few people who have read my book think its
pretty good. It is under review by NPS for carrying in
their shops, but to say the least, recent impact
events are controversial, at least for the time being.
I'm sorry Man and Impact in the Americas does not
include more meteorite lore, but there was other more
essential information that needed to be covered in it.
Without my stroke, my copy editors illness, and my
production manager's father's death, many of the
typos/errors in it would have been caught, and there
would have been a lot more illustrations.
I read or at least looked at a lot of what is out
there while putting the book together, and in my
opinion it is the finest single volume introduction
available for the peoples east of the Mississippi
River. At least a few other people agree.
I did what I could.
good hunting,
Ed
--- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi, Dirk, Doug, List,
That timeline is a great URL, a very detailed
account of Dene history (and lots more); the source
is from the documentation of one of the Dene
lawsuits,
so you know anything that could questioned by
anybody was omitted. The earliest tree ring dates
show the period 1350-1390 AD for settled structures.
That implies an earlier entry into the area.
Intruders,
invaders, or new folk generally have to invade
first,
then settle; you don't build a house until you're
secure
in the area, so the intrusion date would be
1300-1350
AD. There was a major drought in the area in the
years
preceeding 1347 AD, at which time a number of major
Pueblo communities were abandoned. By 1500, the
Dene were settled in for a century or so.
I know an anthropologist once who used to sing a
song entitled, How Them Athabascan Bastards Made
The Great Pueblos Fall, to the tune of The Wabash
Cannonball. Like most made-up songs, it had a great
many verses, few of which are printable in this
forum.
Wish I could remember them.
Basic Rule of the 21st Century: you can find ANY
THING you want on the Internet:
http://archaeology.about.com/cs/entertainingarcha/a/athabastards.htm
These verses are fairly sedate...
And, completely off-topic, the analysis of Aztec
history and politics on that timeline URL is
brilliant.
The Aztec homeland was supposedly in the nothern
area, but since the Aztecs burned and re-wrote their
own history for propaganda value, little is certain.
A good source on Casas Grandes is:
http://www.desertusa.com/ind1/ind_new/ind13.html
No mention of the meteorite, though.
Another good referrence that you can't get to:
The Worship and Folk-Lore of Meteorites, by
Farrington (1900):
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0021-8715(190007%2F09)13%3A50%3C199%3ATWAFOM%3E2.0.CO%3B2-3
No URL, Doug, just the referrence:
MONNIG O.E. (1939): HOW THE CASAS GRANDES,
CHIHUAHUA, MEXICO, METEORITE GOT TO
WASHINGTON D.C., Popular Astron. 47, pp. 152-154.
Sterling K. Webb
- Original Message -
From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED];
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Was: Meteorite novels
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Topicstitle- Meteorites and Archaeology
Dear Doug,
You mentioned the Navajo. The Dene (Navajo)
didn`t
arrive New Mexico and the American Southwest until
around 1500AD; and it has been proposed that the
demise of the Puebloan (Casas Grande) culture MAY
have
been contributed to by their arrival.
http://www.lapahie.com/Timeline_to_1491.cfm
Casas Grande pre-dates their arrival. You may do
a
Web search for more information beyond this link:
http://whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=31id_site=560
Best, Dirk...Tokyo
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