Re: [meteorite-list] Nakhla - What was turned to ash?

2003-08-22 Thread Ron Baalke
 
 Hi List and dog lovers,
  
 If that dog ever existed, does anyone know what kind of dog this would be. 
 That is what breed of dog is common to Nakhla Egypt?
  

That is an excellent question. Does anyone know?

Ron Baalke

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Re: [meteorite-list] Nakhla - What was turned to ash?

2003-08-22 Thread Steve Schoner

--- Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Hi List and dog lovers,
   
  If that dog ever existed, does anyone know what
 kind of dog this would be. 
  That is what breed of dog is common to Nakhla
 Egypt?
   
 
 That is an excellent question. Does anyone know?
 
 Ron Baalke
 


You can always monitor slowness at this site with:  

1) eBay

2) God threads

3) The Nakhla dog.

In that order.

We are at the Nakhla Dog index, so it is a really slow
day.

(I think it was white, a mut with a crater in its
head)

Steve Schoner/ams


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Re: [meteorite-list] Nakhla - What was turned to ash?

2003-08-20 Thread Steve Schoner
Oh, Oh...

The Dog topic lives...

Long live the dog.

Steve Schoner/ams

--- Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
   One of them fell on a dog at Denshal, leaving it
 like ashes in the moment.
  
  Why can't this be interpreted as the meteorite
 fracturing into many 
  small fragments aka ashes as in a friable
 portion of what elsewhere 
  sank up a meter into the ground?
  
 
 That is very possible. The it could be referring
 to the dog or 
 the meteorite. I pointed this out some years ago.
 That's why it is 
 important to find the original Arabic article.  You
 should always 
 be careful when things are translated from one
 language to another.
 
 Ron Baalke 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Nakhla - What was turned to ash?

2003-08-20 Thread Howard Wu
Hi List and dog lovers,

If that dog ever existed, does anyone know what kind of dog this would be. That is what breed of dog is common to Nakhla Egypt?

Howard Wu

Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Oh, Oh...The "Dog" topic lives...Long live the dog.Steve Schoner/ams--- Ron Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:   One of them fell on a dog at Denshal, leaving it like ashes in the moment."Why can't this be interpreted as the "meteorite" fracturing into many   small fragments aka "ashes" as in a friable portion of what elsewhere   sank up a meter into the ground?That is very possible. The "it" could be referring to the dog or  the meteorite. I pointed this out some years ago. That's why it is  important to find the original Arabic article. You should always  be careful when things are translated from one language to another.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Nakhla - What was turned to ash?

2003-08-20 Thread Ron Baalke
 
 I believe that 'Ashes' in Arabic is 'Al-qali' meaning 'the thing that
 was roasted' it would be interesting to read the original translation; I
 bet it's been misinterpreted...
 

Here are some other possible interpretations from
the 'left like ashes' phrase when it gets translated from Arabic:

   Something was being destroyed or killed
   The dog was soaked in blood
   The reference was to broken remains or a corpse

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Re: [meteorite-list] Nakhla - What was turned to ash?

2003-08-20 Thread Ron Baalke
 
 
  One of them fell on a dog at Denshal, leaving it like ashes in the moment.
 
 Why can't this be interpreted as the meteorite fracturing into many 
 small fragments aka ashes as in a friable portion of what elsewhere 
 sank up a meter into the ground?
 
 Why must this assume that the dog actually died?  I've seen a .45 cal. 
 bullet bounce off a dogs head.-- knocked him cold/wacky for a few 
 minutes but he lived.

I express similar thoughts about 3 years ago:


The original story about the meteorite came from the
Al Ahali newspaper.  I've confirmed that this newspaper is
written in Arabic. Some of the discrepancies could be explained
as translation errors from Arabic to English.  

Now consider the words of the farmer, Mohammed Ali Effendi Hakim, who
claimed the meteorite hit the dog:

   The fearful column which appeared in the sky at Denshal was 
substantial.  The terrific noise it emitted was an explosion 
that made it erupt several fragments of volcanic materials. 
These curious fragments, falling to earth buried themselves 
into the sand to a depth of about one metre. One of them fell 
on a dog at Denshal, leaving it like ashes in the moment.

This does sound like an eyewitness account of a meteorite fall, though
the ash reference in the last sentence sounds odd.  John Ball said that 
this statement is doubtless the product of a lively imagination. 
Like everyone else, when I first read this quote from Mohammed Ali Effendi 
Hakim, I also found the last sentence rather dubious.  How can a dog go 
to ashes in a moment from being hit by a meteorite?  After giving it some 
further thought, I realized the statement was not being interpreted 
correctly.  I think Mohammed Ali Effendi Hakim was describing the 
fragmentation of a meteorite after it had hit a dog. In other words, 
the meteorite, not the dog, was left like ashes in the moment.  
This made much more sense and is a more likely scenario.
Also, if this is the case, then the dog did not necessarily get killed 
from being hit by the meteorite.  

So, it is starting to look like the dead dog story may still be alive, or 
rather it never died.




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