Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
"(sometimes 15 if you're lucky)" Below $15/g? If so, I'd like to buy whatever you didn't. On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > List, > > Jason said : > >>>> "Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or > otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone > Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a > collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply > not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed > out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its > comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so." > > I've bought Ash Creek and Park Forest for less than $20/gram - on more > than one occasion for each. Of course, I am not going publicly state > where I bought it - because I want to go back and buy more. > > All of the falls you mention are OC's and only worth typical OC prices. > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > On 4/24/10, Shawn Alan wrote: >> Hi >> Where should I start.. >> >> I guess ill start off where it was last left off at >> >> Quote un quote >> "But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since 1998." >> >> Yes this true, and don't trust me either cause I just been watching the >> market since 2010. >> >> If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I >> would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What >> I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the >> resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites >> at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of >> meteorite fall in the market. >> >> >>>So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall? >> Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that >> that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair >> price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy >> every stone found. >> >> >> So you are saying cut every stone from the fallNo, you said that. I >> merely gave some suggestions, it is your call on how you would like to >> interpret it. But if you want to cut them up into small pieces, then by >> all means do so, but please, don't try to ask a question and then answer >> your question with a quote un quote "Bullcrap" assumption. >> >> Lastly, I guess the bottom line is that by giving suggestions from different >> view points leaves open for how someone wants to take the information, if >> you want to take it as positive or nagative, by all mean do so. As for me, I >> like to be in the middle and play both sides, cause at the end of the day, >> it comes down to what your purpose is on here on the List is.... if it may >> be that your a collector, dealer, a middle man, to a hobbyist,scientist, a >> drive by reader or a nubie, just at the end of the day, make sure you leave >> with a sm;)e. >> >> Shawn Alan >> >> >> >> >> [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay >> NOW 1 day >> Jason Utas meteoritekid at gmail.com >> Sat Apr 24 07:01:11 EDT 2010 >> >> >> Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall >> Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day >> Next message: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale >> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> >> >> >>>I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the >>> recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales >>> on eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high >>> because it’s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a >>> gram or less, unless it’s a hammer or has any significance because of >>> science or other reasons that could make a certain fall unique. >> >> >> Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or >> otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone >> Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a >> collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply >> not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed >> out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
Hello List, I have a point of order in this discussion. It does not matter what price Steve's pieces fetch. Steve was famous before being a T.V. Show star. With his current prominence, he will always bring in more per gram. Especially if HE actually found it. Meteorite Men was granted a second season right? Watch, as more new people become interested and involved, his prices will bring more. How can you 'set a standard' when the meteorites are all tainted with famous superstar mojo If anyone is actually getting mad in this discussion, I suggest the angry parties duel, place some baby powder in their slapping hand, take one step forward turn and fire. The first person with a poof of smoke and hand print across their gourd looses.*Please capture and post it to youtube for us (and don't have the person filming it shake the camera around too much or say low brow things, that's always annoying). Hey Mike, I'll give you $75. Warren Sansoucie > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:09:04 -0400 > From: meteoritem...@gmail.com > To: photoph...@yahoo.com > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part > Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day > > Shawn said : > >>>> "Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this >>>> ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the >>>> samples, if it has fusion crust, or if it’s sold as a Lot or not." > > Wow, did meteorites go haywire while I was sleeping? NWA 869 going for > $1/gram? > > I have 140g of NWA 869 that I will sell to any buyer for $140. > > I'll be holding my breath waiting for that buyer. ;) > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > On 4/24/10, Shawn Alan wrote: >> >> Hello Listers, >> >> I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the >> recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on >> eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high >> because it’s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram >> or less, unless it’s a hammer or has any significance because of science or >> other reasons that could make a certain fall unique. >> >> In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall >> has, then it’s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are >> able to run more test on the fall. If I was in this situation that the >> meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case >> with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would >> split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the >> meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market >> value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market. >> >> Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this >> ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the >> samples, if it has fusion crust, or if it’s sold as a Lot or not. With all >> this could get confusing with the farm and if there scientific community >> finds interesting finds, which could take a year or longer to verify could >> change the current mark price. >> >> All in all I think this situation could go in different directions depending >> on the comfort level the farmers have with the collectors or if >> the collectors out in the field have a better understanding of what they are >> dealing with from the fall. At any rate its best to build a good level of >> communication with the farmers of how the market works with new falls. Let’s >> say you have found a 300 gram meteorite from the fall and sat on it for a >> few years and nothing became of this fall then just a ordinary chondrite I >> would see the meteorite selling around a $1 a gram of less depend if the >> weathering was down to a minimal and the structure of the fusion crust was >> still intact and retained its physical characteristics. >> >> Shawn Alan >> >> >> [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay >> NOW 1 dayJason Utas meteoritekid at gmail.com >> Sat Apr 24 02:06:58 EDT 2010 >> >> >> Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall >> Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day >> Next message: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit >> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> >> Why should that matter? They're worth $10/g. >>
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
Shawn said : >>> "Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this >>> ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the >>> samples, if it has fusion crust, or if it’s sold as a Lot or not." Wow, did meteorites go haywire while I was sleeping? NWA 869 going for $1/gram? I have 140g of NWA 869 that I will sell to any buyer for $140. I'll be holding my breath waiting for that buyer. ;) Best regards, MikeG On 4/24/10, Shawn Alan wrote: > > Hello Listers, > > I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the > recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on > eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high > because it’s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram > or less, unless it’s a hammer or has any significance because of science or > other reasons that could make a certain fall unique. > > In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall > has, then it’s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are > able to run more test on the fall. If I was in this situation that the > meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case > with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would > split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the > meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market > value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market. > > Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this > ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the > samples, if it has fusion crust, or if it’s sold as a Lot or not. With all > this could get confusing with the farm and if there scientific community > finds interesting finds, which could take a year or longer to verify could > change the current mark price. > > All in all I think this situation could go in different directions depending > on the comfort level the farmers have with the collectors or if > the collectors out in the field have a better understanding of what they are > dealing with from the fall. At any rate its best to build a good level of > communication with the farmers of how the market works with new falls. Let’s > say you have found a 300 gram meteorite from the fall and sat on it for a > few years and nothing became of this fall then just a ordinary chondrite I > would see the meteorite selling around a $1 a gram of less depend if the > weathering was down to a minimal and the structure of the fusion crust was > still intact and retained its physical characteristics. > > Shawn Alan > > > [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay > NOW 1 dayJason Utas meteoritekid at gmail.com > Sat Apr 24 02:06:58 EDT 2010 > > > Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall > Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day > Next message: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > Why should that matter? They're worth $10/g. > ...Right? > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Mike Miller > wrote: > >> Hey Steve do you realize some of us are still out in the field? > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM, wrote: > >>> Hello List, > >>> > >>> I have just returned home today from Wisconsin with a couple of >>> recovered > >>> specimens, one of which has been sliced. The interior on some of the > >>> slices is absolutely amazing. I have picked out a few of my favorite >>> looking > >>> pieces and have listed them on Ebay tonight. > >>> > >>> I have been asked by many people what I think these new specimens are > >>> worth, and what I would be willing to sell mine for? > >>> > >>> I really don't know the answer to these questions. > >>> > >>> So, instead of trying to guess at the supply and demand issues concerned >>> > >>> here, I figured I would let the free market decide for me. My hunch is >>> that > >>> these will sell up around $100/g but who knows for sure. Very little >>> has > >>> made it to market, and very little may ever make it to market. Then >>> again, > >>> a 500 pound main mass might be found and these could get a lot cheaper > >>> later...providing the large mass would make it to market. > >>> > >>> So I have put up a couple of part slices on ebay
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
List, Jason said : >>> "Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so." I've bought Ash Creek and Park Forest for less than $20/gram - on more than one occasion for each. Of course, I am not going publicly state where I bought it - because I want to go back and buy more. All of the falls you mention are OC's and only worth typical OC prices. Best regards, MikeG On 4/24/10, Shawn Alan wrote: > Hi > Where should I start.. > > I guess ill start off where it was last left off at > > Quote un quote > "But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since 1998." > > Yes this true, and don't trust me either cause I just been watching the > market since 2010. > > If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I > would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What > I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the > resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites > at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of > meteorite fall in the market. > > >>So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall? > Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that > that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair > price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy > every stone found. > > > So you are saying cut every stone from the fallNo, you said that. I > merely gave some suggestions, it is your call on how you would like to > interpret it. But if you want to cut them up into small pieces, then by > all means do so, but please, don't try to ask a question and then answer > your question with a quote un quote "Bullcrap" assumption. > > Lastly, I guess the bottom line is that by giving suggestions from different > view points leaves open for how someone wants to take the information, if > you want to take it as positive or nagative, by all mean do so. As for me, I > like to be in the middle and play both sides, cause at the end of the day, > it comes down to what your purpose is on here on the List is.... if it may > be that your a collector, dealer, a middle man, to a hobbyist,scientist, a > drive by reader or a nubie, just at the end of the day, make sure you leave > with a sm;)e. > > Shawn Alan > > > > > [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay > NOW 1 day > Jason Utas meteoritekid at gmail.com > Sat Apr 24 07:01:11 EDT 2010 > > > Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall > Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day > Next message: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > > >>I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the >> recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales >> on eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high >> because it’s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a >> gram or less, unless it’s a hammer or has any significance because of >> science or other reasons that could make a certain fall unique. > > > Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or > otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone > Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a > collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply > not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed > out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its > comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so. > > >>In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall >> has, then it’s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are >> able to run more test on the fall. > > > It's a brecciated, equilibrated H-chondrite. That much is obvious > from the photos. I suppose it might be a funny L, but it looks like > an H. Regardless, it's an equilibrated ordinary chondrite. > > >>If I was in this situation that the meteorite co
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
> If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I > would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I > would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the > resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at > a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of > meteorite fall in the market. This was obviously not a Gao-sized fall, so prices will range from $20-80/g. That's what could happen. Just wait and see. >>So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall? > Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that > that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair > price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy > every stone found. > So you are saying cut every stone from the fallNo, you said that. I > merely gave some suggestions, it is your call on how you would like to > interpret it. But if you want to cut them up into small pieces, then by > all means do so, but please, don't try to ask a question and then answer your > question with a quote un quote "Bullcrap" assumption. "I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market.." The problem with saying this is that..well, there are a few. 1) You're advocating splitting finds with landowners in a fall where finds are few and far between. It seems a little unlikely that a given hunter is going to find two stones on any given farmer's land. It might happen - it almost undoubtedly has, but, based on what I've been hearing from the field, not all that much is being found in the same place, as occurred with Ash Creek. So, odds are the only way you're going to be able to do this is by cutting stones in half. 2) Do you think a collector or dealer is looking to sell finds to landowners at base prices? If this fall's tkw is even 20kg, prices will still be at least $20/g. Probably more for smaller complete stones. This only really becomes a problem when they find out that $5/g isn't 50/50. I wonder how long it's going to take. > Lastly, I guess the bottom line is that by giving suggestions from different > view points leaves open for how someone wants to take the information, if you > want to take it as positive or nagative, by all mean do so. As for me, I like > to be in the middle and play both sides, cause at the end of the day, it > comes down to what your purpose is on here on the List is if it may be > that your a collector, dealer, a middle man, to a hobbyist,scientist, a drive > by reader or a nubie, just at the end of the day, make sure you leave with a > sm;)e. I'll smile when a dealer offers me a stone for the $10/g that the dealers are saying they're worth in the field. Hell, I'll pay $15/g. Any takers? 33% over a "fair" price is pretty damn good. It's one thing to say that you're only willing to pay them $5/g for a stone. It's another to tell them that that's half of what it's worth on the market, because that's simply a lie. I don't like lying. So, no, I'm not smiling. Jason > > > > > [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay > NOW 1 day > Jason Utas meteoritekid at gmail.com > Sat Apr 24 07:01:11 EDT 2010 > > > Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part > Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day > Next message: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > > >>I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the recent >>meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on eBay. >>But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high because it’s >>a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram or less, >>unless it’s a hammer or has any significance because of science or other >>reasons that could make a certain fall unique. > > > Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or > otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone > Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a > collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply > not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed > out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its > comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so
[meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
Hi Where should I start.. I guess ill start off where it was last left off at Quote un quote "But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since 1998." Yes this true, and don't trust me either cause I just been watching the market since 2010. If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market. >So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall? Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy every stone found. So you are saying cut every stone from the fallNo, you said that. I merely gave some suggestions, it is your call on how you would like to interpret it. But if you want to cut them up into small pieces, then by all means do so, but please, don't try to ask a question and then answer your question with a quote un quote "Bullcrap" assumption. Lastly, I guess the bottom line is that by giving suggestions from different view points leaves open for how someone wants to take the information, if you want to take it as positive or nagative, by all mean do so. As for me, I like to be in the middle and play both sides, cause at the end of the day, it comes down to what your purpose is on here on the List is if it may be that your a collector, dealer, a middle man, to a hobbyist,scientist, a drive by reader or a nubie, just at the end of the day, make sure you leave with a sm;)e. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day Jason Utas meteoritekid at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 07:01:11 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day Next message: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the recent >meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on eBay. >But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high because it’s >a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram or less, unless >it’s a hammer or has any significance because of science or other reasons that >could make a certain fall unique. Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so. >In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall >has, then it’s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are >able to run more test on the fall. It's a brecciated, equilibrated H-chondrite. That much is obvious from the photos. I suppose it might be a funny L, but it looks like an H. Regardless, it's an equilibrated ordinary chondrite. >If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I >would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I >would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the >resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at >a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of >meteorite fall in the market. So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall? Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy every stone found. >Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this >ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the samples, >if it has fusion crust, or if it’s sold as a Lot or not. With all this could >get confusing with the farm and if there scientific community finds >interesting finds, which could take a year or longer to verify could change >the current mark price. This fall's not going to be sold in bulk lots. Your analogy to 869 does address quality, though.
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
>I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the recent >meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on eBay. >But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high because it’s >a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram or less, unless >it’s a hammer or has any significance because of science or other reasons that >could make a certain fall unique. Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so. >In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall >has, then it’s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are >able to run more test on the fall. It's a brecciated, equilibrated H-chondrite. That much is obvious from the photos. I suppose it might be a funny L, but it looks like an H. Regardless, it's an equilibrated ordinary chondrite. >If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I >would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I >would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the >resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at >a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of >meteorite fall in the market. So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall? Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy every stone found. >Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this >ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the samples, >if it has fusion crust, or if it’s sold as a Lot or not. With all this could >get confusing with the farm and if there scientific community finds >interesting finds, which could take a year or longer to verify could change >the current mark price. This fall's not going to be sold in bulk lots. Your analogy to 869 does address quality, though...but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Whether or not you're buying a fragment or an individual of a new fall from the US or Europe, you'll be paying $20-80/g. Give or take. That number generally depends on the availability of the fall -- not the individual specimen's quality. With more common falls, yes, quality makes a difference. A fragment of Gao is worth less than an individual because there are individuals available. But if you wanted a piece of...say, Homestead. There are no individuals on the market, and even slices and fragments are rare. In light of that fact, if you want a piece of it, the price per gram is fairly standard whether you're buying a slice, fragment, or individual. This is an American fall. Its price will be fairly standard, if it's at all like other American falls...Holbrook excluded because it's so large. >All in all I think this situation could go in different directions depending >on the comfort level the farmers have with the collectors or if the collectors >out in the field have a better understanding of what they are dealing with >from the fall. Just you wait until these ebay auctions play out... >At any rate its best to build a good level of communication with the farmers >of how the market works with new falls. Like with Ash Creek? I don't know if you were around for that, but the reason why things went sour so quickly is because dealers were paying farmers literally $1-2/g for stones that, in a few cases, later sold on ebay for $100/g (the price did drop drastically at the time, but held at $35/g for several months before coming down to the ~$20/g it is today). >Let’s say you have found a 300 gram meteorite from the fall and sat on it for >a few years and nothing became of this fall then just a ordinary chondrite I >would see the meteorite selling around a $1 a gram of less depend if the >weathering was down to a minimal and the structure of the fusion crust was >still intact and retained its physical characteristics. You don't seem to understand how western (N&S America, Europe, Asia to some extent) falls are priced. I would price the stone at between $4,000 and 5,000 dollars, and I would be damn happy to get it for as low as $4k. That's if this is a large fall. If it's a small fall like Whetstone...at least $5k, but the finder could easily ask for more. And get it. But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since 1998. Regards, Jason On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
Uh, excuse me, Wait a minute, ok. Something doesn't sound right here at all. I hate to be the buttinsky here and call anyone out, but as I understood it all the collectors/dealer/.amateurs/locals HAD to PAY the Farmers and Landowners Before They Left The Property with What They Found and not 1 week or 1 month or 6 months or 1 year after they walked off the property what money the meteorites were worth. Everyone PAID Upfront, not a day later nor next week or next month nor next year. People are reading about selling on ebay and then commenting that they understand that the meteorites have to be sold so that you can "Pay the Farmer" after they sell That is a Load of Crap. No one up there signed a contract with those landowners and farmers and showed their Driver's license or gave them their address to wait for payment. Those farmers are not idiots. They did NOT let anyone walk off their land without paying up for what was found unless people hid meteorites or ran off the property like some guy did on Friday and then the farmer chased everyone off and said no more hunting. All people up there HAD to Pay the farmer a fee such as $50 per day per person to hunt and then you had to show your meteorites to the landowner and they weighed them and you had to pay at that time $4 per gram for your half. It was a 50/50 deal. If you had a 20 gram meteorite, then it was 20 x $4 =$80 and then you had to pay the farmer $40. If this isn't correct, then please correct me now, because this is what 100 other hunters were doing and there is no Dumb Landowner that I know of that took anyone's word and is sitting back watching ebay to see how much these meteorites are going to sell for and is going to watch for the mail or watch Paypal for his half to magically appear. Aren't I right? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
Hello Listers, I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high because it’s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram or less, unless it’s a hammer or has any significance because of science or other reasons that could make a certain fall unique. In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall has, then it’s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are able to run more test on the fall. If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market. Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the samples, if it has fusion crust, or if it’s sold as a Lot or not. With all this could get confusing with the farm and if there scientific community finds interesting finds, which could take a year or longer to verify could change the current mark price. All in all I think this situation could go in different directions depending on the comfort level the farmers have with the collectors or if the collectors out in the field have a better understanding of what they are dealing with from the fall. At any rate its best to build a good level of communication with the farmers of how the market works with new falls. Let’s say you have found a 300 gram meteorite from the fall and sat on it for a few years and nothing became of this fall then just a ordinary chondrite I would see the meteorite selling around a $1 a gram of less depend if the weathering was down to a minimal and the structure of the fusion crust was still intact and retained its physical characteristics. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 dayJason Utas meteoritekid at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 02:06:58 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day Next message: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Why should that matter? They're worth $10/g. ...Right? On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > Hey Steve do you realize some of us are still out in the field? > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM, wrote: >> Hello List, >> >> I have just returned home today from Wisconsin with a couple of recovered >> specimens, one of which has been sliced. The interior on some of the >> slices is absolutely amazing. I have picked out a few of my favorite >> looking >> pieces and have listed them on Ebay tonight. >> >> I have been asked by many people what I think these new specimens are >> worth, and what I would be willing to sell mine for? >> >> I really don't know the answer to these questions. >> >> So, instead of trying to guess at the supply and demand issues concerned >> here, I figured I would let the free market decide for me. My hunch is >> that >> these will sell up around $100/g but who knows for sure. Very little has >> made it to market, and very little may ever make it to market. Then again, >> a 500 pound main mass might be found and these could get a lot cheaper >> later...providing the large mass would make it to market. >> >> So I have put up a couple of part slices on ebay tonight with a 1 day >> listing. I have a few more listed on the 3 day listings to allow everyone >> the >> weekend to decide if they want a part slice and if they want to bid on >> them. I know if I gave them a full week or 10 days the bids would likely >> go >> higher, but why waste time when we all can figure out what these are worth >> sooner? >> >> Check out my listings here: >> >> http://stores.ebay.com//stevearnoldmeteorites?refid=store >> >> Thanks, >> Steve Arnold >> of Meteorite Men >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > >
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
Why should that matter? They're worth $10/g. ...Right? On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > Hey Steve do you realize some of us are still out in the field? > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM, wrote: >> Hello List, >> >> I have just returned home today from Wisconsin with a couple of recovered >> specimens, one of which has been sliced. The interior on some of the >> slices is absolutely amazing. I have picked out a few of my favorite looking >> pieces and have listed them on Ebay tonight. >> >> I have been asked by many people what I think these new specimens are >> worth, and what I would be willing to sell mine for? >> >> I really don't know the answer to these questions. >> >> So, instead of trying to guess at the supply and demand issues concerned >> here, I figured I would let the free market decide for me. My hunch is that >> these will sell up around $100/g but who knows for sure. Very little has >> made it to market, and very little may ever make it to market. Then again, >> a 500 pound main mass might be found and these could get a lot cheaper >> later...providing the large mass would make it to market. >> >> So I have put up a couple of part slices on ebay tonight with a 1 day >> listing. I have a few more listed on the 3 day listings to allow everyone >> the >> weekend to decide if they want a part slice and if they want to bid on >> them. I know if I gave them a full week or 10 days the bids would likely go >> higher, but why waste time when we all can figure out what these are worth >> sooner? >> >> Check out my listings here: >> >> http://stores.ebay.com//stevearnoldmeteorites?refid=store >> >> Thanks, >> Steve Arnold >> of Meteorite Men >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > -- > Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 > www.meteoritefinder.com > 928-753-6825 > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
Hey Steve do you realize some of us are still out in the field? On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM, wrote: > Hello List, > > I have just returned home today from Wisconsin with a couple of recovered > specimens, one of which has been sliced. The interior on some of the > slices is absolutely amazing. I have picked out a few of my favorite looking > pieces and have listed them on Ebay tonight. > > I have been asked by many people what I think these new specimens are > worth, and what I would be willing to sell mine for? > > I really don't know the answer to these questions. > > So, instead of trying to guess at the supply and demand issues concerned > here, I figured I would let the free market decide for me. My hunch is that > these will sell up around $100/g but who knows for sure. Very little has > made it to market, and very little may ever make it to market. Then again, > a 500 pound main mass might be found and these could get a lot cheaper > later...providing the large mass would make it to market. > > So I have put up a couple of part slices on ebay tonight with a 1 day > listing. I have a few more listed on the 3 day listings to allow everyone > the > weekend to decide if they want a part slice and if they want to bid on > them. I know if I gave them a full week or 10 days the bids would likely go > higher, but why waste time when we all can figure out what these are worth > sooner? > > Check out my listings here: > > http://stores.ebay.com//stevearnoldmeteorites?refid=store > > Thanks, > Steve Arnold > of Meteorite Men > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
Hello List, I have just returned home today from Wisconsin with a couple of recovered specimens, one of which has been sliced. The interior on some of the slices is absolutely amazing. I have picked out a few of my favorite looking pieces and have listed them on Ebay tonight. I have been asked by many people what I think these new specimens are worth, and what I would be willing to sell mine for? I really don't know the answer to these questions. So, instead of trying to guess at the supply and demand issues concerned here, I figured I would let the free market decide for me. My hunch is that these will sell up around $100/g but who knows for sure. Very little has made it to market, and very little may ever make it to market. Then again, a 500 pound main mass might be found and these could get a lot cheaper later...providing the large mass would make it to market. So I have put up a couple of part slices on ebay tonight with a 1 day listing. I have a few more listed on the 3 day listings to allow everyone the weekend to decide if they want a part slice and if they want to bid on them. I know if I gave them a full week or 10 days the bids would likely go higher, but why waste time when we all can figure out what these are worth sooner? Check out my listings here: http://stores.ebay.com//stevearnoldmeteorites?refid=store Thanks, Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
