Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse
Hello Renaud, and all the kind listers who have been making all sorts of comments on this thread. I hope the extra publicity gets a few more motivated to go to the Toulouse exhibit. There is another odd tie to Toulouse, here in the USA can relate to. Meteorites seemed to be harbingers of a lot of Napoleons doings. Precisely two years to the day after the meteoritical fall in Napoleonic Toulouse 10 April 1812, the British led a force 10 April 1814 in an epic meteoric irradication of Napoleon's empire in a key battle there. Then those same high-stepping drum beating Brits that did this had management push its luck straight to American shores thinking if they could defeat Napoleon, that we would be shoo-fly pie and apple pan dowdy. Well, unfortunately for them, our gator eaters avenged Napoleon's last stand here and as the oral history relates the shameful fate of these would be double conquerers in Napoleon's gift to Thomas Jefferson: So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round We filled his head with cannon balls, and powdered his behind And when we touched the powder off the gator lost his mind Yeah, they ran through the briars And they ran through the brambles And they ran through the bushes Where the rabbit couldn't go (and rabbits can slip into the worse raspberry poison ivy patch!) And thus Napoleon's defeat was avenged hot Jambalaya style ... OK, that was a great break during this lull, like the eye of a storm I can feel in my bones a whopper of a meteorite fall is nearing on the event horizon ... Couldn't find the article in the 1836 antiquarian journal posted for the toadstorm but I got lost looking (page #?) - it was the table of contents that opened and I'm a slow reader ;-( The jungle story via tropical photos was fun, thanks; and the Frog festival (which is just a 3-4 hour drive down the highway from here; comments on eating frogs; forgive me for assuming that in France all would be eating them fried like us, I see butter and garlic is preferred by some of our refined listmembers, but in these territories thanks to the Cajuns we like them fried and eat them with hush puppies and chitlins, which are misbehaved baby dogs and chitenous aggregations for those unfamiliar with other delicious exotics we eat down here (besides alligators and iguanas, which are all subnstituted for chicken when tourists without their knowledge since you can't tell the difference) Since I can't go to France, the whole country is invited to Florida for some monster escargot that is a traditional Florida dish, only these snails are as big as human heads (we call 'em conch fritters - of course fried) and they combine well with Alligator tail steaks. ...and for anyone who would wonder wtf this has with meteorites, beats me but one hypothesis is that everyone interested in meteorites expresses a bottled up sense of adventure inside, just waiting to explode out. When we look at meteorites, it is to experience through the senses first hand the different flavors developed in the Solar crockpot. We chase a meteorite fall, whether with boots on the ground or a silver pick on eBay; it is that same emotion of seeking out what is different, whether it be a kolache, boudin ball, haggis (which I understand are little burrowing animals the Scots turn inside out and eat raw according to a bonnie Scottish lassie), Cui, and all kinds of interesting stuff. Have a great time in Toulouse to all at the exhibit and thanks for the first link! Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: rm31 r...@free.fr To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Apr 11, 2012 10:47 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hi List, First pictures and links to local tv news here: http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t4834p15-exposition-bicentenaire-de-chute-de-la-meteorite-de-toulouse More to come! Renaud __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse
Hi Anne ! Certainly there was a Battle of Toulouse ... on April 10, 1814 ... and Napoleon was still in all his splendour in charming Pari; he actually affirmed his defeat on April 13. So, tomorrow is the 198th anniversary of this treaty. The fiery tempered ex-emperor was sent home and arrived in his luxurious banishment island kingdom until May 1814. Strategically the menace of the troups in South (and everywhere else) were the meat and potatos on this fine Tolosan landscape that delivered part of the punch which caused the abdication, and no one knew when the battle was started that the actual combat was unnecessary, since communications weren't that fast. But though the battle was unnecessary, the superior military pressure was the driver. Battle of Toulouse strategic map: http://www.miklianmaps.com/rousseau-map-of-the-battle-of-toulouse-1853-p-2111.html Painting: http://napoleononline.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Battle-of-Toulouse.jpg Some guy was in Toulouse to videotape the battle ;-)\] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4SPn4kF-A8t=4m30s Brief background: http://www.napoleonguide.com/battle_toulouse.htm all this, two years to the day - after the meteorite fell there ... Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Anne Black impact...@aol.com To: mexicodoug mexicod...@aim.com Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 3:32 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hhhuuuhhh Napoleonic Toulouse 10 April 1812, the British led a force 10 April 1814 in an epic meteoric irradication of Napoleon's empire in a key battle there What are you talking about Doug? There is no battle of Toulouse on April 10 1814. Napoleon abdicated in Fontainebleau on April 7, 1814, so on the 10th he was on his way to the island of Elba. The final battle, key if you wish, was in Waterloo, in present days Belgium just outside Bruxelles, on June 18, 1815. Goodnight Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: rm31 r...@free.fr; meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 12:56 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hello Renaud, and all the kind listers who have been making all sorts of comments on this thread. I hope the extra publicity gets a few more motivated to go to the Toulouse exhibit. There is another odd tie to Toulouse, here in the USA can relate to. Meteorites seemed to be harbingers of a lot of Napoleons doings. Precisely two years to the day after the meteoritical fall in Napoleonic Toulouse 10 April 1812, the British led a force 10 April 1814 in an epic meteoric irradication of Napoleon's empire in a key battle there. Then those same high-stepping drum beating Brits that did this had management push its luck straight to American shores thinking if they could defeat Napoleon, that we would be shoo-fly pie and apple pan dowdy. Well, unfortunately for them, our gator eaters avenged Napoleon's last stand here and as the oral history relates the shameful fate of these would be double conquerers in Napoleon's gift to Thomas Jefferson: So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round We filled his head with cannon balls, and powdered his behind And when we touched the powder off the gator lost his mind Yeah, they ran through the briars And they ran through the brambles And they ran through the bushes Where the rabbit couldn't go (and rabbits can slip into the worse raspberry poison ivy patch!) And thus Napoleon's defeat was avenged hot Jambalaya style ... OK, that was a great break during this lull, like the eye of a storm I can feel in my bones a whopper of a meteorite fall is nearing on the event horizon ... Couldn't find the article in the 1836 antiquarian journal posted for the toadstorm but I got lost looking (page #?) - it was the table of contents that opened and I'm a slow reader ;-( The jungle story via tropical photos was fun, thanks; and the Frog festival (which is just a 3-4 hour drive down the highway from here; comments on eating frogs; forgive me for assuming that in France all would be eating them fried like us, I see butter and garlic is preferred by some of our refined listmembers, but in these territories thanks to the Cajuns we like them fried and eat them with hush puppies and chitlins, which are misbehaved baby dogs and chitenous aggregations for those unfamiliar with other delicious exotics we eat down here (besides alligators and iguanas, which are all subnstituted for chicken when tourists without their knowledge since you can't tell the difference) Since I can't go to France, the whole country is invited to Florida for some monster escargot that is a traditional Florida dish, only these snails are as big as human heads (we call 'em conch fritters - of course fried) and they combine well with Alligator tail steaks. ...and for anyone
Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse
a great time in Toulouse to all at the exhibit and thanks for the first link! Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: rm31 r...@free.fr To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Apr 11, 2012 10:47 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hi List, First pictures and links to local tv news here: http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t4834p15-exposition-bicentenaire-de-chute-de-la-meteorite-de-toulouse More to come! Renaud __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse
Dear Renaud; List - http://info.francetelevisions.fr/video-info/index-fr.php/?id-video=TOUL_1637865_100420120947_F3ids=TOUL_1637865_100420120947_F3id-categorie=REPORTAGES_INFO That link you provided is a stunning piece on television about the meteorite and you did a great job; and especially the one fresh crusted stone looks as if it has fallen last year, uncut, what a glorious relic! Kudos, the exhibit is very well thought out and built and I'm sure will be quite popular and raise public awareness of this historical space gem that graced the space city two centuries ago. Thanks for the great info and if it is any gauge, Toulouse seemed a bit isolated, but after all these interesting tidbits, I hope to visit and combine that with a trip to Zaragoza to see kick some dirt around not to distant Sena (Spain). I'm thinking 2013 when the Tour passes through the Pyrenees ;-) The science comments you made have me wonder, considering the British were excellent scouts in their regions for relaying scientific and natural history items back home - one might wonder if any of the Toulouse meteorite was acquired by them at the time since the war was now known to be over. I would think it was a pretty exciting event at the time and during wartime meteorites can get special notice due to the vigilence of others. Oh, about everyone's explanations for the battles in the wars, especially the encyclopedias; the victor writes the history the way that pleases him do you think? I like to imagine what it is like to be living there in the moment. For example, When the British troups that assailed your fair Tolosan soil on April 10, 1814 sailed for America afterwards, these poor chaps had the distinction of losing a thousands in Toulouse in a battle that was the last of Napoleon's (except the I'll be back sequel) and logistically the battle was unnecessary being after the surrender; well then in Chalmette, New Orleans, USA on January 8, 1815, they did it again. Our best friend once again, Great Britian signed a peace agreement but this army of British sailors didn't know, and this time were smashed, (saving beautiful New Orleans from British whim). I'm sure they thought Lousiana would have been a nice addition! ... and from some points of view was a continuation of the Napoleonic war here - and Lousiana had the strong flavor of Napoleon then. It is a nice historical tie I feel which is underrated, that together, the French, Spanish, British, Americans, can reflect upon today as part of their heritage of seemingly disparate events. I believe I read somewhere that in Texas, part of Lousiana territory then, there was an effort to restore Napoleon to power after his fall? What a life to be a military sailor then ... to come home and say, I fought two war around the world and both times it was over, but we didn't know. But now, the face on the USA $20 bill shows the American viewpoint of what happened in New Orleans ;-) I love the Bat-plane and its another reason to enjoy a visit to Toulouse; as for Leotard, h we have a song here which is sweet and sarcastic about him, now I will have it stuck in my head. Let me add one final description from the antiquarian biography of Andrew Jackson, the US general during the Battle of New Orleans, commenting on how the news spread of the decisive (late) American victory. This one I had Googled-up for an entirely different reason some time ago: http://books.google.com/books?id=BXgEYAAJpg=PA116 The triumphant decision of that day you know. It came upon the country like a clap of thunder in the clear azure vault of the firmament, and traveled with electro-magnetic velocity, throughout the confines of the land. Kindest wishes Doug next opportunity to read about toads ;-) -Original Message- From: rm31 r...@free.fr To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 11:10 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hi Doug, Hi List, Video from tv news (in French) with some shots of the exhibition in the middle. I'm the funny guy speaking at the end. http://info.francetelevisions.fr/video-info/index-fr.php/?id-video=TOUL_1637865_100420120947_F3ids=TOUL_1637865_100420120947_F3id-categorie=REPORTAGES_INFO Some pictures of the stones: http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t4834p15-exposition-bicentenaire-de-chute-de-la-meteorite-de-toulouse Thanks again Doug for the interesting points of history you mention! The paper on the toad rain is page 54-55 (http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k2962t/f58). As for the battle of Toulouse, this was, according to the French wiki, a defensive victory. The city was shortly occupied the scott-brit-spanish-portuguese army of Wellington. People were rather royalists at this time in the region so it did not cause much trouble. I've read that the british officer in command visited
[meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse
Hi List, First pictures and links to local tv news here: http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t4834p15-exposition-bicentenaire-de-chute-de-la-meteorite-de-toulouse More to come! Renaud __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Ed, I can only guess. Perhaps everybody likes a festival, but not everybody likes frog for dinner? Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Ed Deckert edeck...@triad.rr.com To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; elemen...@peconic.net; karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Anne Black impact...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Sterling, I cannot help but wonder why if there are 80,000 attendees at that frog leg festival, why are only 7,000 frog leg dinners served? Any ideas why? Ed - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: elemen...@peconic.net; karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Anne Black impact...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Anne, and assorted frog fanciers, While Turkish frogs in France are delicious, I'm sure, there are frog legs nearer to hand, or at least nearer to Colorado (with its very lamentable lack of swamps). The Frog Leg Festival in Fellsmere, Florida, a 4 day event every year in January, has more that 80,000 attendees and serves over 7000 frog leg dinners. You can get frog legs more or less everywhere along the Gulf coast from Florida to Texas, with a certain rivalry between the state of Florida and the environs of New Orleans as to the relative superiority of their respective frog legs Frog legs are available anywhere along the lower and central Mississippi River valley as well. I loan you my gig if you want to get you some... In 1907, James Scott even wrote a Frog Legs Rag, published in St. Louis: http://library.umkc.edu/spec-col/club-kaycee/JAZZNOTE/froglegs.htm Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Anne Black impact...@aol.com To: elemen...@peconic.net; sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse A few years ago, I had some near Lyon. I was told they came from Turkey. They were quite good, of course with a garlic and white wine sauce. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:17 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hello Martin, Sterling and all I am not a specialist but French and loving frog legs (with garlic of course) As far as I know, we only eat frog legs, not toad legs. But more importantly, frogs and toads belong, for many years now, to the endangered species list in France, thereby, you will eat frog legs coming from Asia (which are much much bigger and much less tastier... quite disgusting actually) unless you are in one of the few areas where they are not in danger, like in Alsace... and a very very few more ! I would have to check, Toulouse might be one of them, but not sure Anyway... Enjoy your trip to Toulouse, Martin. Michael B. -- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:10 PM To: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Dear Martin, Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? The answer is YES. Bufotenin (also known as bufotenine and cebilcin), or 5-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine (5-HO-DMT or 5-OH-DMT) has a very high boiling point of 320 C. The vapors above or below that temperature are still psychoactively potent, as are the liquid and crystal forms (melts about 146 C). Depending on the mode of administration, bufotenin is more likely to produce dangerous cardiac effects than visions. While it is possible that deep-frying would evaporate the bufotenin and hence remove most of it from the toad's skin, I'd stick with the frogs' legs, if I were you. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hi Doug, don't worry. You can rely on the fact
Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse
Sterling, I think you hit on the answer. Perhaps they are misinformed, and afraid to partake. Properly cooked, it's not like they would croak after eating it... ;-) Ed - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: Ed Deckert edeck...@triad.rr.com; elemen...@peconic.net; karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Anne Black impact...@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Ed, I can only guess. Perhaps everybody likes a festival, but not everybody likes frog for dinner? Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Ed Deckert edeck...@triad.rr.com To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; elemen...@peconic.net; karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Anne Black impact...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Sterling, I cannot help but wonder why if there are 80,000 attendees at that frog leg festival, why are only 7,000 frog leg dinners served? Any ideas why? Ed - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: elemen...@peconic.net; karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Anne Black impact...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Anne, and assorted frog fanciers, While Turkish frogs in France are delicious, I'm sure, there are frog legs nearer to hand, or at least nearer to Colorado (with its very lamentable lack of swamps). The Frog Leg Festival in Fellsmere, Florida, a 4 day event every year in January, has more that 80,000 attendees and serves over 7000 frog leg dinners. You can get frog legs more or less everywhere along the Gulf coast from Florida to Texas, with a certain rivalry between the state of Florida and the environs of New Orleans as to the relative superiority of their respective frog legs Frog legs are available anywhere along the lower and central Mississippi River valley as well. I loan you my gig if you want to get you some... In 1907, James Scott even wrote a Frog Legs Rag, published in St. Louis: http://library.umkc.edu/spec-col/club-kaycee/JAZZNOTE/froglegs.htm Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Anne Black impact...@aol.com To: elemen...@peconic.net; sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse A few years ago, I had some near Lyon. I was told they came from Turkey. They were quite good, of course with a garlic and white wine sauce. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:17 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hello Martin, Sterling and all I am not a specialist but French and loving frog legs (with garlic of course) As far as I know, we only eat frog legs, not toad legs. But more importantly, frogs and toads belong, for many years now, to the endangered species list in France, thereby, you will eat frog legs coming from Asia (which are much much bigger and much less tastier... quite disgusting actually) unless you are in one of the few areas where they are not in danger, like in Alsace... and a very very few more ! I would have to check, Toulouse might be one of them, but not sure Anyway... Enjoy your trip to Toulouse, Martin. Michael B. -- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:10 PM To: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Dear Martin, Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? The answer is YES. Bufotenin (also known as bufotenine and cebilcin), or 5-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine (5-HO-DMT or 5-OH-DMT) has a very high boiling point of 320 C. The vapors above or below that temperature are still psychoactively potent, as are the liquid and crystal forms (melts about 146 C). Depending on the mode of administration, bufotenin is more likely to produce dangerous cardiac effects than visions. While it is possible
[meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse
Dear Martin, Doug, and List, Thank you guys for your positive assessment on Toulouse. This is really a friendly and pleasant city with an interesting mix of old stuff and high technology. I'm very happy to live here, good people, good climate, good food and many things to do around. Here is the original paper on the toad-storm close to Toulouse, I didn't know this interesting story: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k2962t People in Catalogne, not far from Toulouse, cook snails on barbecue, try a google-image search on cargolade and bon appetit! There will likely be some pictures of the exhibition on the French Meteorite Superforum: http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t4834-exposition-bicentenaire-de-chute-de-la-meteorite-de-toulouse Here is an appetizer, the stone from the Museum in Geneva: http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/204/toulousegenve.jpg Cheers, Renaud Selon MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com: Dear List, Dr. Mathieu, and Martin; Martin, if you do or anyone does make it there, please remember your friends on the list who won't have the opportunity to vacation or visit the lovely southern latuitudes of France and post us a nice picture for the admiring meteorite-list of this historical group of stones. So much to do on vacation there - see this Toulouse meteorite exhibit, then go to the Space Center and Space City, the Kennedy Space Center analog and lots more, of France. Watch out if you take the low road, as nearby Toulouse was the site of a Toad-storm from an inclement thundering sky, Two shocked horsemen had to put on their overcoats while being Toad-hammered, and gallop out of their as fast as they could, to reach a stage coach also on the way to Toulouse that witnessed the event, saw many small toads still on the unfortunate horsemen's cloaks and when it passed through the spot trampled many thousands of toads of all sizes. (I wonder if the meteorite in any way biased this report?) A rain of escargot snails might have been more comical for France, but maybe they were toads, frogs, whatever -- after all the toadstorm was 1834 and even today frogs and toads are varied and not recognized by science as distinct animals. Fried frogs are a delicious part of French cuisine that is required to try for all Beefeaters attending the exposition ;-) Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de To: rm31 r...@free.fr; Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:31 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Congratulations, Dr. Mathieu, on having organised this very interesting exhibition. The beautiful city of Toulouse, la « ville rose », is always worth a visit ! I'll try to visit this exhibition this summer! Best wishes Martin Von: r...@free.fr An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Datum: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:11:07 +0200 Hi List, I'm pleased to invite you to the conference and exhibition for the bicentenary of the fall of the meteorite of Toulouse, april 10th 1812. The exhibition will remain until september 2nd. This event is the materialization of 2 1/2 year of historical and scientific researches. It benefited from the early support of the Museum of Toulouse (SW France). Most of the main samples of the fall, loaned by the Museums of New York, Chicago, Geneva, London, Vienna, Stockholm, Troyes, Paris, and from the University of Tuebingen will be reunited close to their place of fall, 200 years later to be shown to the public. http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2373/invitationmtoritedetoul.jpg J'ai le plaisir de vous inviter à la conference et a l'exposition qui auront lieu au Museum de Toulouse, en celebration du bicentenaire de la chute de la meteorite dite de Toulouse, le 10 avril 1812. L'exposition durera jusqu'au 2 septembre. Cet evenement est la concretisation de deux ans et demi de recherches historiques et scientifiques. Il est le fruit de la collaboration entre l'auteur et le Museum de Toulouse et a beneficie de l'apport de dizaines de contributeurs. Fait exceptionnel: les principaux specimens de la meteorite de Toulouse, pretes par les Museums of New York, Chicago, Geneve, Londres, Vienne, Stockholm, Troyes, Paris, et par l'Universite de Tuebingen seront à nouveau réunis à Toulouse 200 ans plus tard pour être montres au public! R. Mathieu geologist __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich
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List: While we're discussing frog legs...may I show you three incredible frogs I photographed in the Amazon that you might not want to deep fry - even with garlic? I rented a research station deep in South America's Amazon jungle to find and photograph Poison Dart Frogs. Said to be the most poisonous creatures on the planet, they have enough poison in the glands of their backs to kill 10 men and are still traditionally rubbed on native darts to nail large game - mostly monkeys. Here's the deal - once you cook the meat, this most toxic poison in the natural world is rendered harmless! This frog was smaller than your pinky fingernail, fully mature, and living in a beautiful jungle orchid...and it is said these rare and beautiful creatures are the most poisonous creatures on the planet. My native guide brought me to the edge of the raging Napo River to find this one - http://www.flickr.com/photos/26628652@N08/6915136704/in/photostream Jet black, gold metal-flake and green spotted pants... http://www.flickr.com/photos/26628652@N08/7061218577/in/photostream In 6 weeks of thrashing about in the transition zone between river jungle and cloudforest (an environment that will actually begin to eat you if you stand still) we found 3 poison dart frogs...all smaller than your thumbnail. Below is the Blue-Belly hunting ants on his palm leaf... http://www.flickr.com/photos/26628652@N08/7061218577/in/photostream Color? Here's a Ruby poison frog...they eat ants, spiders, scorpions and store the poison in glands on their backs...they hunt during the day, because all predators learn to leave them alone. http://www.flickr.com/photos/26628652@N08/6915134912/in/photostream And a high-speed cobra knock-off...the Musarana...he's bright red only during the third year of his life...the rest of the time he's black! http://www.flickr.com/photos/26628652@N08/7061216367/in/photostream Thanks for allowing me to show you these jewels of the jungle...they are dangerous and doggone hard to find --- I think I'll go hunt cold falls!! Jonathan Abel __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sterling, I cannot help but wonder why if there are 80,000 attendees at that frog leg festival, why are only 7,000 frog leg dinners served? Any ideas why? Ed - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: elemen...@peconic.net; karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Anne Black impact...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Anne, and assorted frog fanciers, While Turkish frogs in France are delicious, I'm sure, there are frog legs nearer to hand, or at least nearer to Colorado (with its very lamentable lack of swamps). The Frog Leg Festival in Fellsmere, Florida, a 4 day event every year in January, has more that 80,000 attendees and serves over 7000 frog leg dinners. You can get frog legs more or less everywhere along the Gulf coast from Florida to Texas, with a certain rivalry between the state of Florida and the environs of New Orleans as to the relative superiority of their respective frog legs Frog legs are available anywhere along the lower and central Mississippi River valley as well. I loan you my gig if you want to get you some... In 1907, James Scott even wrote a Frog Legs Rag, published in St. Louis: http://library.umkc.edu/spec-col/club-kaycee/JAZZNOTE/froglegs.htm Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Anne Black impact...@aol.com To: elemen...@peconic.net; sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse A few years ago, I had some near Lyon. I was told they came from Turkey. They were quite good, of course with a garlic and white wine sauce. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:17 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hello Martin, Sterling and all I am not a specialist but French and loving frog legs (with garlic of course) As far as I know, we only eat frog legs, not toad legs. But more importantly, frogs and toads belong, for many years now, to the endangered species list in France, thereby, you will eat frog legs coming from Asia (which are much much bigger and much less tastier... quite disgusting actually) unless you are in one of the few areas where they are not in danger, like in Alsace... and a very very few more ! I would have to check, Toulouse might be one of them, but not sure Anyway... Enjoy your trip to Toulouse, Martin. Michael B. -- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:10 PM To: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Dear Martin, Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? The answer is YES. Bufotenin (also known as bufotenine and cebilcin), or 5-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine (5-HO-DMT or 5-OH-DMT) has a very high boiling point of 320 C. The vapors above or below that temperature are still psychoactively potent, as are the liquid and crystal forms (melts about 146 C). Depending on the mode of administration, bufotenin is more likely to produce dangerous cardiac effects than visions. While it is possible that deep-frying would evaporate the bufotenin and hence remove most of it from the toad's skin, I'd stick with the frogs' legs, if I were you. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hi Doug, don't worry. You can rely on the fact that if I manage to visit the Toulouse exhibition this summer, I will provide you all with some interesting photos. ;-) As for toads, escargots or anything else that might pour down on me, there is no worry either since I bought THIS at the last art exhibition I visited. FRITTI NIRODA - the METEORITE TRAP made out of baskets for deep fat fryers http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3403/5794279846_b9ab0fc403.jpg http://vimeo.com/24591320 I will carry it on top of a rod instead of a sunshade when being in Toulouse. ;-) I'm a bit worried though... Does
[meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse
Hi List, I'm pleased to invite you to the conference and exhibition for the bicentenary of the fall of the meteorite of Toulouse, april 10th 1812. The exhibition will remain until september 2nd. This event is the materialization of 2 1/2 year of historical and scientific researches. It benefited from the early support of the Museum of Toulouse (SW France). Most of the main samples of the fall, loaned by the Museums of New York, Chicago, Geneva, London, Vienna, Stockholm, Troyes, Paris, and from the University of Tuebingen will be reunited close to their place of fall, 200 years later to be shown to the public. http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2373/invitationmtoritedetoul.jpg J'ai le plaisir de vous inviter à la conference et a l'exposition qui auront lieu au Museum de Toulouse, en celebration du bicentenaire de la chute de la meteorite dite de Toulouse, le 10 avril 1812. L'exposition durera jusqu'au 2 septembre. Cet evenement est la concretisation de deux ans et demi de recherches historiques et scientifiques. Il est le fruit de la collaboration entre l'auteur et le Museum de Toulouse et a beneficie de l'apport de dizaines de contributeurs. Fait exceptionnel: les principaux specimens de la meteorite de Toulouse, pretes par les Museums of New York, Chicago, Geneve, Londres, Vienne, Stockholm, Troyes, Paris, et par l'Universite de Tuebingen seront à nouveau réunis à Toulouse 200 ans plus tard pour être montres au public! R. Mathieu geologist __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Congratulations, Dr. Mathieu, on having organised this very interesting exhibition. The beautiful city of Toulouse, la « ville rose », is always worth a visit ! I'll try to visit this exhibition this summer! Best wishes Martin Von: r...@free.fr An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Datum: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:11:07 +0200 Hi List, I'm pleased to invite you to the conference and exhibition for the bicentenary of the fall of the meteorite of Toulouse, april 10th 1812. The exhibition will remain until september 2nd. This event is the materialization of 2 1/2 year of historical and scientific researches. It benefited from the early support of the Museum of Toulouse (SW France). Most of the main samples of the fall, loaned by the Museums of New York, Chicago, Geneva, London, Vienna, Stockholm, Troyes, Paris, and from the University of Tuebingen will be reunited close to their place of fall, 200 years later to be shown to the public. http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2373/invitationmtoritedetoul.jpg J'ai le plaisir de vous inviter à la conference et a l'exposition qui auront lieu au Museum de Toulouse, en celebration du bicentenaire de la chute de la meteorite dite de Toulouse, le 10 avril 1812. L'exposition durera jusqu'au 2 septembre. Cet evenement est la concretisation de deux ans et demi de recherches historiques et scientifiques. Il est le fruit de la collaboration entre l'auteur et le Museum de Toulouse et a beneficie de l'apport de dizaines de contributeurs. Fait exceptionnel: les principaux specimens de la meteorite de Toulouse, pretes par les Museums of New York, Chicago, Geneve, Londres, Vienne, Stockholm, Troyes, Paris, et par l'Universite de Tuebingen seront à nouveau réunis à Toulouse 200 ans plus tard pour être montres au public! R. Mathieu geologist __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear List, Dr. Mathieu, and Martin; Martin, if you do or anyone does make it there, please remember your friends on the list who won't have the opportunity to vacation or visit the lovely southern latuitudes of France and post us a nice picture for the admiring meteorite-list of this historical group of stones. So much to do on vacation there - see this Toulouse meteorite exhibit, then go to the Space Center and Space City, the Kennedy Space Center analog and lots more, of France. Watch out if you take the low road, as nearby Toulouse was the site of a Toad-storm from an inclement thundering sky, Two shocked horsemen had to put on their overcoats while being Toad-hammered, and gallop out of their as fast as they could, to reach a stage coach also on the way to Toulouse that witnessed the event, saw many small toads still on the unfortunate horsemen's cloaks and when it passed through the spot trampled many thousands of toads of all sizes. (I wonder if the meteorite in any way biased this report?) A rain of escargot snails might have been more comical for France, but maybe they were toads, frogs, whatever -- after all the toadstorm was 1834 and even today frogs and toads are varied and not recognized by science as distinct animals. Fried frogs are a delicious part of French cuisine that is required to try for all Beefeaters attending the exposition ;-) Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de To: rm31 r...@free.fr; Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:31 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Congratulations, Dr. Mathieu, on having organised this very interesting exhibition. The beautiful city of Toulouse, la « ville rose », is always worth a visit ! I'll try to visit this exhibition this summer! Best wishes Martin Von: r...@free.fr An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Datum: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:11:07 +0200 Hi List, I'm pleased to invite you to the conference and exhibition for the bicentenary of the fall of the meteorite of Toulouse, april 10th 1812. The exhibition will remain until september 2nd. This event is the materialization of 2 1/2 year of historical and scientific researches. It benefited from the early support of the Museum of Toulouse (SW France). Most of the main samples of the fall, loaned by the Museums of New York, Chicago, Geneva, London, Vienna, Stockholm, Troyes, Paris, and from the University of Tuebingen will be reunited close to their place of fall, 200 years later to be shown to the public. http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2373/invitationmtoritedetoul.jpg J'ai le plaisir de vous inviter à la conference et a l'exposition qui auront lieu au Museum de Toulouse, en celebration du bicentenaire de la chute de la meteorite dite de Toulouse, le 10 avril 1812. L'exposition durera jusqu'au 2 septembre. Cet evenement est la concretisation de deux ans et demi de recherches historiques et scientifiques. Il est le fruit de la collaboration entre l'auteur et le Museum de Toulouse et a beneficie de l'apport de dizaines de contributeurs. Fait exceptionnel: les principaux specimens de la meteorite de Toulouse, pretes par les Museums of New York, Chicago, Geneve, Londres, Vienne, Stockholm, Troyes, Paris, et par l'Universite de Tuebingen seront à nouveau réunis à Toulouse 200 ans plus tard pour être montres au public! R. Mathieu geologist __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Doug, don't worry. You can rely on the fact that if I manage to visit the Toulouse exhibition this summer, I will provide you all with some interesting photos. ;-) As for toads, escargots or anything else that might pour down on me, there is no worry either since I bought THIS at the last art exhibition I visited. FRITTI NIRODA - the METEORITE TRAP made out of baskets for deep fat fryers http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3403/5794279846_b9ab0fc403.jpg http://vimeo.com/24591320 I will carry it on top of a rod instead of a sunshade when being in Toulouse. ;-) I'm a bit worried though... Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? I don't want to be stoned before seeing the stones... Best wishes, Martin Von: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com An: karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de, r...@free.fr, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Datum: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:15:38 +0200 Dear List, Dr. Mathieu, and Martin; Martin, if you do or anyone does make it there, please remember your friends on the list who won't have the opportunity to vacation or visit the lovely southern latuitudes of France and post us a nice picture for the admiring meteorite-list of this historical group of stones. So much to do on vacation there - see this Toulouse meteorite exhibit, then go to the Space Center and Space City, the Kennedy Space Center analog and lots more, of France. Watch out if you take the low road, as nearby Toulouse was the site of a Toad-storm from an inclement thundering sky, Two shocked horsemen had to put on their overcoats while being Toad-hammered, and gallop out of their as fast as they could, to reach a stage coach also on the way to Toulouse that witnessed the event, saw many small toads still on the unfortunate horsemen's cloaks and when it passed through the spot trampled many thousands of toads of all sizes. (I wonder if the meteorite in any way biased this report?) A rain of escargot snails might have been more comical for France, but maybe they were toads, frogs, whatever -- after all the toadstorm was 1834 and even today frogs and toads are varied and not recognized by science as distinct animals. Fried frogs are a delicious part of French cuisine that is required to try for all Beefeaters attending the exposition ;-) Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de To: rm31 r...@free.fr; Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:31 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Congratulations, Dr. Mathieu, on having organised this very interesting exhibition. The beautiful city of Toulouse, la « ville rose », is always worth a visit ! I'll try to visit this exhibition this summer! Best wishes Martin Von: r...@free.fr An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Datum: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:11:07 +0200 Hi List, I'm pleased to invite you to the conference and exhibition for the bicentenary of the fall of the meteorite of Toulouse, april 10th 1812. The exhibition will remain until september 2nd. This event is the materialization of 2 1/2 year of historical and scientific researches. It benefited from the early support of the Museum of Toulouse (SW France). Most of the main samples of the fall, loaned by the Museums of New York, Chicago, Geneva, London, Vienna, Stockholm, Troyes, Paris, and from the University of Tuebingen will be reunited close to their place of fall, 200 years later to be shown to the public. http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2373/invitationmtoritedetoul.jpg J'ai le plaisir de vous inviter à la conference et a l'exposition qui auront lieu au Museum de Toulouse, en celebration du bicentenaire de la chute de la meteorite dite de Toulouse, le 10 avril 1812. L'exposition durera jusqu'au 2 septembre. Cet evenement est la concretisation de deux ans et demi de recherches historiques et scientifiques. Il est le fruit de la collaboration entre l'auteur et le Museum de Toulouse et a beneficie de l'apport de dizaines de contributeurs. Fait exceptionnel: les principaux specimens de la meteorite de Toulouse, pretes par les Museums of New York, Chicago, Geneve, Londres, Vienne, Stockholm, Troyes, Paris, et par l'Universite de Tuebingen seront à nouveau réunis à Toulouse 200 ans plus tard pour être montres au public! R. Mathieu geologist __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear Martin, Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? The answer is YES. Bufotenin (also known as bufotenine and cebilcin), or 5-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine (5-HO-DMT or 5-OH-DMT) has a very high boiling point of 320 C. The vapors above or below that temperature are still psychoactively potent, as are the liquid and crystal forms (melts about 146 C). Depending on the mode of administration, bufotenin is more likely to produce dangerous cardiac effects than visions. While it is possible that deep-frying would evaporate the bufotenin and hence remove most of it from the toad's skin, I'd stick with the frogs' legs, if I were you. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hi Doug, don't worry. You can rely on the fact that if I manage to visit the Toulouse exhibition this summer, I will provide you all with some interesting photos. ;-) As for toads, escargots or anything else that might pour down on me, there is no worry either since I bought THIS at the last art exhibition I visited. FRITTI NIRODA - the METEORITE TRAP made out of baskets for deep fat fryers http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3403/5794279846_b9ab0fc403.jpg http://vimeo.com/24591320 I will carry it on top of a rod instead of a sunshade when being in Toulouse. ;-) I'm a bit worried though... Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? I don't want to be stoned before seeing the stones... Best wishes, Martin Von: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com An: karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de, r...@free.fr, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Datum: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:15:38 +0200 Dear List, Dr. Mathieu, and Martin; Martin, if you do or anyone does make it there, please remember your friends on the list who won't have the opportunity to vacation or visit the lovely southern latuitudes of France and post us a nice picture for the admiring meteorite-list of this historical group of stones. So much to do on vacation there - see this Toulouse meteorite exhibit, then go to the Space Center and Space City, the Kennedy Space Center analog and lots more, of France. Watch out if you take the low road, as nearby Toulouse was the site of a Toad-storm from an inclement thundering sky, Two shocked horsemen had to put on their overcoats while being Toad-hammered, and gallop out of their as fast as they could, to reach a stage coach also on the way to Toulouse that witnessed the event, saw many small toads still on the unfortunate horsemen's cloaks and when it passed through the spot trampled many thousands of toads of all sizes. (I wonder if the meteorite in any way biased this report?) A rain of escargot snails might have been more comical for France, but maybe they were toads, frogs, whatever -- after all the toadstorm was 1834 and even today frogs and toads are varied and not recognized by science as distinct animals. Fried frogs are a delicious part of French cuisine that is required to try for all Beefeaters attending the exposition ;-) Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de To: rm31 r...@free.fr; Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:31 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Congratulations, Dr. Mathieu, on having organised this very interesting exhibition. The beautiful city of Toulouse, la « ville rose », is always worth a visit ! I'll try to visit this exhibition this summer! Best wishes Martin Von: r...@free.fr An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Datum: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:11:07 +0200 Hi List, I'm pleased to invite you to the conference and exhibition for the bicentenary of the fall of the meteorite of Toulouse, april 10th 1812. The exhibition will remain until september 2nd. This event is the materialization of 2 1/2 year of historical and scientific researches. It benefited from the early support of the Museum of Toulouse (SW France). Most of the main samples of the fall, loaned by the Museums of New York, Chicago, Geneva, London, Vienna, Stockholm, Troyes, Paris, and from the University of Tuebingen will be reunited close to their place of fall, 200 years later to be shown to the public. http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2373/invitationmtoritedetoul.jpg J'ai le plaisir de vous inviter à la conference et a l'exposition qui auront lieu au Museum de Toulouse, en celebration du bicentenaire de la chute de la
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Hello Martin, Sterling and all I am not a specialist but French and loving frog legs (with garlic of course) As far as I know, we only eat frog legs, not toad legs. But more importantly, frogs and toads belong, for many years now, to the endangered species list in France, thereby, you will eat frog legs coming from Asia (which are much much bigger and much less tastier... quite disgusting actually) unless you are in one of the few areas where they are not in danger, like in Alsace... and a very very few more ! I would have to check, Toulouse might be one of them, but not sure Anyway... Enjoy your trip to Toulouse, Martin. Michael B. -- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:10 PM To: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Dear Martin, Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? The answer is YES. Bufotenin (also known as bufotenine and cebilcin), or 5-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine (5-HO-DMT or 5-OH-DMT) has a very high boiling point of 320 C. The vapors above or below that temperature are still psychoactively potent, as are the liquid and crystal forms (melts about 146 C). Depending on the mode of administration, bufotenin is more likely to produce dangerous cardiac effects than visions. While it is possible that deep-frying would evaporate the bufotenin and hence remove most of it from the toad's skin, I'd stick with the frogs' legs, if I were you. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hi Doug, don't worry. You can rely on the fact that if I manage to visit the Toulouse exhibition this summer, I will provide you all with some interesting photos. ;-) As for toads, escargots or anything else that might pour down on me, there is no worry either since I bought THIS at the last art exhibition I visited. FRITTI NIRODA - the METEORITE TRAP made out of baskets for deep fat fryers http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3403/5794279846_b9ab0fc403.jpg http://vimeo.com/24591320 I will carry it on top of a rod instead of a sunshade when being in Toulouse. ;-) I'm a bit worried though... Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? I don't want to be stoned before seeing the stones... Best wishes, Martin Von: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com An: karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de, r...@free.fr, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Datum: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:15:38 +0200 Dear List, Dr. Mathieu, and Martin; Martin, if you do or anyone does make it there, please remember your friends on the list who won't have the opportunity to vacation or visit the lovely southern latuitudes of France and post us a nice picture for the admiring meteorite-list of this historical group of stones. So much to do on vacation there - see this Toulouse meteorite exhibit, then go to the Space Center and Space City, the Kennedy Space Center analog and lots more, of France. Watch out if you take the low road, as nearby Toulouse was the site of a Toad-storm from an inclement thundering sky, Two shocked horsemen had to put on their overcoats while being Toad-hammered, and gallop out of their as fast as they could, to reach a stage coach also on the way to Toulouse that witnessed the event, saw many small toads still on the unfortunate horsemen's cloaks and when it passed through the spot trampled many thousands of toads of all sizes. (I wonder if the meteorite in any way biased this report?) A rain of escargot snails might have been more comical for France, but maybe they were toads, frogs, whatever -- after all the toadstorm was 1834 and even today frogs and toads are varied and not recognized by science as distinct animals. Fried frogs are a delicious part of French cuisine that is required to try for all Beefeaters attending the exposition ;-) Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de To: rm31 r...@free.fr; Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:31 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Congratulations, Dr. Mathieu, on having organised this very interesting exhibition. The beautiful city of Toulouse, la « ville rose », is always worth a visit ! I'll try to visit this exhibition this summer! Best wishes Martin Von: r...@free.fr An: meteorite-list
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A few years ago, I had some near Lyon. I was told they came from Turkey. They were quite good, of course with a garlic and white wine sauce. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:17 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hello Martin, Sterling and all I am not a specialist but French and loving frog legs (with garlic of course) As far as I know, we only eat frog legs, not toad legs. But more importantly, frogs and toads belong, for many years now, to the endangered species list in France, thereby, you will eat frog legs coming from Asia (which are much much bigger and much less tastier... quite disgusting actually) unless you are in one of the few areas where they are not in danger, like in Alsace... and a very very few more ! I would have to check, Toulouse might be one of them, but not sure Anyway... Enjoy your trip to Toulouse, Martin. Michael B. -- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:10 PM To: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Dear Martin, Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? The answer is YES. Bufotenin (also known as bufotenine and cebilcin), or 5-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine (5-HO-DMT or 5-OH-DMT) has a very high boiling point of 320 C. The vapors above or below that temperature are still psychoactively potent, as are the liquid and crystal forms (melts about 146 C). Depending on the mode of administration, bufotenin is more likely to produce dangerous cardiac effects than visions. While it is possible that deep-frying would evaporate the bufotenin and hence remove most of it from the toad's skin, I'd stick with the frogs' legs, if I were you. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hi Doug, don't worry. You can rely on the fact that if I manage to visit the Toulouse exhibition this summer, I will provide you all with some interesting photos. ;-) As for toads, escargots or anything else that might pour down on me, there is no worry either since I bought THIS at the last art exhibition I visited. FRITTI NIRODA - the METEORITE TRAP made out of baskets for deep fat fryers http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3403/5794279846_b9ab0fc403.jpg http://vimeo.com/24591320 I will carry it on top of a rod instead of a sunshade when being in Toulouse. ;-) I'm a bit worried though... Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? I don't want to be stoned before seeing the stones... Best wishes, Martin Von: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com An: karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de, r...@free.fr, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Datum: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:15:38 +0200 Dear List, Dr. Mathieu, and Martin; Martin, if you do or anyone does make it there, please remember your friends on the list who won't have the opportunity to vacation or visit the lovely southern latuitudes of France and post us a nice picture for the admiring meteorite-list of this historical group of stones. So much to do on vacation there - see this Toulouse meteorite exhibit, then go to the Space Center and Space City, the Kennedy Space Center analog and lots more, of France. Watch out if you take the low road, as nearby Toulouse was the site of a Toad-storm from an inclement thundering sky, Two shocked horsemen had to put on their overcoats while being Toad-hammered, and gallop out of their as fast as they could, to reach a stage coach also on the way to Toulouse that witnessed the event, saw many small toads still on the unfortunate horsemen's cloaks and when it passed through the spot trampled many thousands of toads of all sizes. (I wonder if the meteorite in any way biased this report?) A rain of escargot snails might have been more comical for France, but maybe they were toads, frogs, whatever -- after all the toadstorm was 1834 and even today frogs and toads are varied and not recognized by science as distinct animals. Fried frogs are a delicious part of French cuisine that is required to try for all
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Butter, garlic and a dash of parsley makes everything taste good, even snails ... I mean escargot. Mendy -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Anne Black Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 3:32 PM To: elemen...@peconic.net; sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse A few years ago, I had some near Lyon. I was told they came from Turkey. They were quite good, of course with a garlic and white wine sauce. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:17 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hello Martin, Sterling and all I am not a specialist but French and loving frog legs (with garlic of course) As far as I know, we only eat frog legs, not toad legs. But more importantly, frogs and toads belong, for many years now, to the endangered species list in France, thereby, you will eat frog legs coming from Asia (which are much much bigger and much less tastier... quite disgusting actually) unless you are in one of the few areas where they are not in danger, like in Alsace... and a very very few more ! I would have to check, Toulouse might be one of them, but not sure Anyway... Enjoy your trip to Toulouse, Martin. Michael B. -- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:10 PM To: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Dear Martin, Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? The answer is YES. Bufotenin (also known as bufotenine and cebilcin), or 5-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine (5-HO-DMT or 5-OH-DMT) has a very high boiling point of 320 C. The vapors above or below that temperature are still psychoactively potent, as are the liquid and crystal forms (melts about 146 C). Depending on the mode of administration, bufotenin is more likely to produce dangerous cardiac effects than visions. While it is possible that deep-frying would evaporate the bufotenin and hence remove most of it from the toad's skin, I'd stick with the frogs' legs, if I were you. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hi Doug, don't worry. You can rely on the fact that if I manage to visit the Toulouse exhibition this summer, I will provide you all with some interesting photos. ;-) As for toads, escargots or anything else that might pour down on me, there is no worry either since I bought THIS at the last art exhibition I visited. FRITTI NIRODA - the METEORITE TRAP made out of baskets for deep fat fryers http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3403/5794279846_b9ab0fc403.jpg http://vimeo.com/24591320 I will carry it on top of a rod instead of a sunshade when being in Toulouse. ;-) I'm a bit worried though... Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? I don't want to be stoned before seeing the stones... Best wishes, Martin Von: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com An: karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de, r...@free.fr, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Datum: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:15:38 +0200 Dear List, Dr. Mathieu, and Martin; Martin, if you do or anyone does make it there, please remember your friends on the list who won't have the opportunity to vacation or visit the lovely southern latuitudes of France and post us a nice picture for the admiring meteorite-list of this historical group of stones. So much to do on vacation there - see this Toulouse meteorite exhibit, then go to the Space Center and Space City, the Kennedy Space Center analog and lots more, of France. Watch out if you take the low road, as nearby Toulouse was the site of a Toad-storm from an inclement thundering sky, Two shocked horsemen had to put on their overcoats while being Toad-hammered, and gallop out of their as fast as they could, to reach a stage coach also on the way
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I agree Mendy. I have helped my mother and grand-mother prepare many escargots when I was a kid. Anybody needs the recipe??;-) But no snails in Colorado, much too dry. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Butter, garlic and a dash of parsley makes everything taste good, even snails ... I mean escargot. Mendy -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Anne Black Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 3:32 PM To: elemen...@peconic.net; sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse A few years ago, I had some near Lyon. I was told they came from Turkey. They were quite good, of course with a garlic and white wine sauce. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:17 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hello Martin, Sterling and all I am not a specialist but French and loving frog legs (with garlic of course) As far as I know, we only eat frog legs, not toad legs. But more importantly, frogs and toads belong, for many years now, to the endangered species list in France, thereby, you will eat frog legs coming from Asia (which are much much bigger and much less tastier... quite disgusting actually) unless you are in one of the few areas where they are not in danger, like in Alsace... and a very very few more ! I would have to check, Toulouse might be one of them, but not sure Anyway... Enjoy your trip to Toulouse, Martin. Michael B. -- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:10 PM To: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Dear Martin, Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? The answer is YES. Bufotenin (also known as bufotenine and cebilcin), or 5-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine (5-HO-DMT or 5-OH-DMT) has a very high boiling point of 320 C. The vapors above or below that temperature are still psychoactively potent, as are the liquid and crystal forms (melts about 146 C). Depending on the mode of administration, bufotenin is more likely to produce dangerous cardiac effects than visions. While it is possible that deep-frying would evaporate the bufotenin and hence remove most of it from the toad's skin, I'd stick with the frogs' legs, if I were you. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hi Doug, don't worry. You can rely on the fact that if I manage to visit the Toulouse exhibition this summer, I will provide you all with some interesting photos. ;-) As for toads, escargots or anything else that might pour down on me, there is no worry either since I bought THIS at the last art exhibition I visited. FRITTI NIRODA - the METEORITE TRAP made out of baskets for deep fat fryers http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3403/5794279846_b9ab0fc403.jpg http://vimeo.com/24591320 I will carry it on top of a rod instead of a sunshade when being in Toulouse. ;-) I'm a bit worried though... Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? I don't want to be stoned before seeing the stones... Best wishes, Martin Von: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com An: karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de, r...@free.fr, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Datum: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:15:38 +0200 Dear List, Dr. Mathieu, and Martin; Martin, if you do or anyone does make it there, please remember your friends on the list who won't have the opportunity to vacation or visit the lovely southern latuitudes of France and post us a nice picture for the admiring meteorite-list of this historical group of stones. So much to do on vacation
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The escargot in Ensisheim are very goodlooking forward to them again this year :-) Graham On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 12:46 AM, Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote: I agree Mendy. I have helped my mother and grand-mother prepare many escargots when I was a kid. Anybody needs the recipe?? ;-) But no snails in Colorado, much too dry. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Butter, garlic and a dash of parsley makes everything taste good, even snails ... I mean escargot. Mendy -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Anne Black Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 3:32 PM To: elemen...@peconic.net; sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse A few years ago, I had some near Lyon. I was told they came from Turkey. They were quite good, of course with a garlic and white wine sauce. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:17 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hello Martin, Sterling and all I am not a specialist but French and loving frog legs (with garlic of course) As far as I know, we only eat frog legs, not toad legs. But more importantly, frogs and toads belong, for many years now, to the endangered species list in France, thereby, you will eat frog legs coming from Asia (which are much much bigger and much less tastier... quite disgusting actually) unless you are in one of the few areas where they are not in danger, like in Alsace... and a very very few more ! I would have to check, Toulouse might be one of them, but not sure Anyway... Enjoy your trip to Toulouse, Martin. Michael B. -- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:10 PM To: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Dear Martin, Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? The answer is YES. Bufotenin (also known as bufotenine and cebilcin), or 5-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine (5-HO-DMT or 5-OH-DMT) has a very high boiling point of 320 C. The vapors above or below that temperature are still psychoactively potent, as are the liquid and crystal forms (melts about 146 C). Depending on the mode of administration, bufotenin is more likely to produce dangerous cardiac effects than visions. While it is possible that deep-frying would evaporate the bufotenin and hence remove most of it from the toad's skin, I'd stick with the frogs' legs, if I were you. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hi Doug, don't worry. You can rely on the fact that if I manage to visit the Toulouse exhibition this summer, I will provide you all with some interesting photos. ;-) As for toads, escargots or anything else that might pour down on me, there is no worry either since I bought THIS at the last art exhibition I visited. FRITTI NIRODA - the METEORITE TRAP made out of baskets for deep fat fryers http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3403/5794279846_b9ab0fc403.jpg http://vimeo.com/24591320 I will carry it on top of a rod instead of a sunshade when being in Toulouse. ;-) I'm a bit worried though... Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? I don't want to be stoned before seeing the stones... Best wishes, Martin Von: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com An: karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de, r...@free.fr, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Datum: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:15:38 +0200 Dear List, Dr. Mathieu, and Martin; Martin, if you do or anyone does make it there, please
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See the Ensisheim snails in photo 17 on this page from the show last year! http://www.lutherjackson.co.uk/ensisheim_2011.html M, very tasty... I will definitely be having them again this year! Hope to see many list members at the show again this year. Cheers, Luther On 9 Apr 2012, at 00:56, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote: The escargot in Ensisheim are very goodlooking forward to them again this year :-) Graham On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 12:46 AM, Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote: I agree Mendy. I have helped my mother and grand-mother prepare many escargots when I was a kid. Anybody needs the recipe??;-) But no snails in Colorado, much too dry. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Butter, garlic and a dash of parsley makes everything taste good, even snails ... I mean escargot. Mendy -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Anne Black Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 3:32 PM To: elemen...@peconic.net; sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse A few years ago, I had some near Lyon. I was told they came from Turkey. They were quite good, of course with a garlic and white wine sauce. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:17 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hello Martin, Sterling and all I am not a specialist but French and loving frog legs (with garlic of course) As far as I know, we only eat frog legs, not toad legs. But more importantly, frogs and toads belong, for many years now, to the endangered species list in France, thereby, you will eat frog legs coming from Asia (which are much much bigger and much less tastier... quite disgusting actually) unless you are in one of the few areas where they are not in danger, like in Alsace... and a very very few more ! I would have to check, Toulouse might be one of them, but not sure Anyway... Enjoy your trip to Toulouse, Martin. Michael B. -- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:10 PM To: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Dear Martin, Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? The answer is YES. Bufotenin (also known as bufotenine and cebilcin), or 5-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine (5-HO-DMT or 5-OH-DMT) has a very high boiling point of 320 C. The vapors above or below that temperature are still psychoactively potent, as are the liquid and crystal forms (melts about 146 C). Depending on the mode of administration, bufotenin is more likely to produce dangerous cardiac effects than visions. While it is possible that deep-frying would evaporate the bufotenin and hence remove most of it from the toad's skin, I'd stick with the frogs' legs, if I were you. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hi Doug, don't worry. You can rely on the fact that if I manage to visit the Toulouse exhibition this summer, I will provide you all with some interesting photos. ;-) As for toads, escargots or anything else that might pour down on me, there is no worry either since I bought THIS at the last art exhibition I visited. FRITTI NIRODA - the METEORITE TRAP made out of baskets for deep fat fryers http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3403/5794279846_b9ab0fc403.jpg http://vimeo.com/24591320 I will carry it on top of a rod instead of a sunshade when being in Toulouse. ;-) I'm a bit worried though... Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? I don't want
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Anne, and assorted frog fanciers, While Turkish frogs in France are delicious, I'm sure, there are frog legs nearer to hand, or at least nearer to Colorado (with its very lamentable lack of swamps). The Frog Leg Festival in Fellsmere, Florida, a 4 day event every year in January, has more that 80,000 attendees and serves over 7000 frog leg dinners. You can get frog legs more or less everywhere along the Gulf coast from Florida to Texas, with a certain rivalry between the state of Florida and the environs of New Orleans as to the relative superiority of their respective frog legs Frog legs are available anywhere along the lower and central Mississippi River valley as well. I loan you my gig if you want to get you some... In 1907, James Scott even wrote a Frog Legs Rag, published in St. Louis: http://library.umkc.edu/spec-col/club-kaycee/JAZZNOTE/froglegs.htm Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Anne Black impact...@aol.com To: elemen...@peconic.net; sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse A few years ago, I had some near Lyon. I was told they came from Turkey. They were quite good, of course with a garlic and white wine sauce. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:17 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hello Martin, Sterling and all I am not a specialist but French and loving frog legs (with garlic of course) As far as I know, we only eat frog legs, not toad legs. But more importantly, frogs and toads belong, for many years now, to the endangered species list in France, thereby, you will eat frog legs coming from Asia (which are much much bigger and much less tastier... quite disgusting actually) unless you are in one of the few areas where they are not in danger, like in Alsace... and a very very few more ! I would have to check, Toulouse might be one of them, but not sure Anyway... Enjoy your trip to Toulouse, Martin. Michael B. -- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:10 PM To: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Dear Martin, Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? The answer is YES. Bufotenin (also known as bufotenine and cebilcin), or 5-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine (5-HO-DMT or 5-OH-DMT) has a very high boiling point of 320 C. The vapors above or below that temperature are still psychoactively potent, as are the liquid and crystal forms (melts about 146 C). Depending on the mode of administration, bufotenin is more likely to produce dangerous cardiac effects than visions. While it is possible that deep-frying would evaporate the bufotenin and hence remove most of it from the toad's skin, I'd stick with the frogs' legs, if I were you. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Hi Doug, don't worry. You can rely on the fact that if I manage to visit the Toulouse exhibition this summer, I will provide you all with some interesting photos. ;-) As for toads, escargots or anything else that might pour down on me, there is no worry either since I bought THIS at the last art exhibition I visited. FRITTI NIRODA - the METEORITE TRAP made out of baskets for deep fat fryers http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3403/5794279846_b9ab0fc403.jpg http://vimeo.com/24591320 I will carry it on top of a rod instead of a sunshade when being in Toulouse. ;-) I'm a bit worried though... Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried? I don't want to be stoned before seeing the stones... Best wishes, Martin Von: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com An: karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de, r...@free.fr, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse Datum: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:15:38 +0200 Dear List, Dr. Mathieu, and Martin; Martin, if you do or anyone does make
[meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse
Hi List, I'm pleased to invite you to the conference and exhibition for the bicentenary of the fall of the meteorite of Toulouse, april 10th 1812. This event is the materialization of 2 1/2 year of historical and scientific researches. It benefited from the early support of the Museum of Toulouse (SW France). Specimens from European and American collections will be shown to the public. I believe this is the first time that the main samples of a fall will be reunited close to their place of fall, 200 years later. http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2373/invitationmtoritedetoul.jpg J'ai le plaisir de vous inviter à la conférence et à l'exposition qui auront lieu au Muséum de Toulouse, en célébration du bicentenaire de la chute de la météorite dite de Toulouse, le 10 avril 1812. Cet évènement est la concrétisation de deux ans et demi de recherches historiques et scientifiques. Il est le fruit de la collaboration entre l'auteur et le Muséum de Toulouse et a bénéficié de l'apport de dizaines de contributeurs. Fait exceptionnel: les principaux spécimens de la météorite de Toulouse, en provenance d'Europe et d'Amérique, seront de retour à Toulouse pour y être montrés au public! R. Mathieu geologist PS. I've tried to post this message march 24th but it looks like it didn't work, something I could not check then since I was traveling and not connected to the internet. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse
Hi List, I'm pleased to invite you to the conference and exhibition for the bicentenary of the fall of the meteorite of Toulouse, april 10th 1812. This event is the materialization of 2 1/2 year of historical and scientific researches. It benefited from the support of the Museum of Toulouse (SW France). Specimens from European and American collections will be shown to the public. I believe this is the first time that the main samples of a fall will be reunited close to their place of fall, 200 years later. http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2373/invitationmtoritedetoul.jpg J'ai le plaisir de vous inviter à la conférence et à l'exposition qui auront lieu au Muséum de Toulouse, en célébration du bicentenaire de la chute de la météorite dite de Toulouse, le 10 avril 1812. Cet évènement est la concrétisation de deux ans et demi de recherches historiques et scientifiques. Il est le fruit de la collaboration entre l'auteur et le Muséum de Toulouse et a bénéficié de l'apport de dizaines de contributeurs. Fait exceptionnel: les principaux spécimens de la météorite de Toulouse, en provenance d'Europe et d'Amérique, seront de retour à Toulouse pour y être montrés au public! R. Mathieu geologist PS. I'm sorry but I may not be able to answer comments or questions for this week during which I'll be travelling in Morocco. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
