[meteorite-list] Cottingham
It looks like the two with the biggest beef in this little melodrama are Matteo and Bill. Seriously, have you guys ever actually checked out his prices? They're INSANEly low! He doesn't like making money, he just likes to sell meteorites. I got a nice sized chunk of Weston for our museum at one of his half off sales that anywhere else would cost 3 or 4 times as much. And most people sell tiny specks. Not bad for the first historically recognized meteorite in the US. People interested in selling meteorites could learn a thing or two from Cottingham. While Farmer may have been the first(?) to the strewnfield, MC was the first to eBay and was getting 140 + per gram for West. That's good marketing if you ask me. Anyway, it's not worth fighting or writing limericks about. I don't mind ads from Michael or anybody else, it's part of the landscape and if I had the extra dinero, I'd be spending like it's 1929! Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cottingham
Hello, It is a learning curve. It was never my intention to charge such a high price on The West fall, but only charge what I felt it was worth at the time. All things considered it seemed to me to be a solid $100.00 per gram meteorite. I was there and it had all the makings of an extremely Low Known Weight meteorite, with extreme effort to acquire pieces. A side note, I have sold maybe 60 specimens of West/Ash Creek, from micro to macro pieces. As of today, the average price per gram, even considering my sales, the economy, etc, is $71.32 per gram. That is for me. It is a rare meteorite and within a few years will be even rarer. Best Wishes Michael On Jul 29, 2009, at 5:07 PM, Phil Whitmer wrote: It looks like the two with the biggest beef in this little melodrama are Matteo and Bill. Seriously, have you guys ever actually checked out his prices? They're INSANEly low! He doesn't like making money, he just likes to sell meteorites. I got a nice sized chunk of Weston for our museum at one of his half off sales that anywhere else would cost 3 or 4 times as much. And most people sell tiny specks. Not bad for the first historically recognized meteorite in the US. People interested in selling meteorites could learn a thing or two from Cottingham. While Farmer may have been the first(?) to the strewnfield, MC was the first to eBay and was getting 140 + per gram for West. That's good marketing if you ask me. Anyway, it's not worth fighting or writing limericks about. I don't mind ads from Michael or anybody else, it's part of the landscape and if I had the extra dinero, I'd be spending like it's 1929! Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cottingham
I never buy any other meteorite from this person from when he have lost a pack of material sent via ordinary mail when I have request registered mail and I not have never seen my money back...he can have Siena for $10/gr. the same I not buy Matteo - Original Message - Da : Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com A : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : [meteorite-list] Cottingham Data : Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:07:00 -0400 It looks like the two with the biggest beef in this little melodrama are Matteo and Bill. Seriously, have you guys ever actually checked out his prices? They're INSANEly low! He doesn't like making money, he just likes to sell meteorites. I got a nice sized chunk of Weston for our museum at one of his half off sales that anywhere else would cost 3 or 4 times as much. And most people sell tiny specks. Not bad for the first historically recognized meteorite in the US. People interested in selling meteorites could learn a thing or two from Cottingham. While Farmer may have been the first(?) to the strewnfield, MC was the first to eBay and was getting 140 + per gram for West. That's good marketing if you ask me. Anyway, it's not worth fighting or writing limericks about. I don't mind ads from Michael or anybody else, it's part of the landscape and if I had the extra dinero, I'd be spending like it's 1929! Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.org Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici http://www.chinellatophoto.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cottingham
Phil, I have no idea why you would mention Matteo and me in the same sentence. I must also point out that Matteo seems to have grown as his collection has. His decreased negativity illustrates this. We all have to grow up and of course grow old. All life is a melodrama. Mostly drama with less and less mellowness. Bill, predicting a new Illinois fall in less than a year :) I see you enjoy your version of the drama. From: i...@mcomemeteorite.it To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:06:16 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cottingham I never buy any other meteorite from this person from when he have lost a pack of material sent via ordinary mail when I have request registered mail and I not have never seen my money back...he can have Siena for $10/gr. the same I not buy Matteo - Original Message - Da : Phil Whitmer A : Oggetto : [meteorite-list] Cottingham Data : Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:07:00 -0400 It looks like the two with the biggest beef in this little melodrama are Matteo and Bill. Seriously, have you guys ever actually checked out his prices? They're INSANEly low! He doesn't like making money, he just likes to sell meteorites. I got a nice sized chunk of Weston for our museum at one of his half off sales that anywhere else would cost 3 or 4 times as much. And most people sell tiny specks. Not bad for the first historically recognized meteorite in the US. People interested in selling meteorites could learn a thing or two from Cottingham. While Farmer may have been the first(?) to the strewnfield, MC was the first to eBay and was getting 140 + per gram for West. That's good marketing if you ask me. Anyway, it's not worth fighting or writing limericks about. I don't mind ads from Michael or anybody else, it's part of the landscape and if I had the extra dinero, I'd be spending like it's 1929! Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.org Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici http://www.chinellatophoto.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone. Click here. http://windowslive.com/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_MB_new_hotmail_072009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] cottingham
The met-list. A priceless tool or a tool with a price? I'm sick of bitching about cottingham. Look at his ads for this month. Why the hell should we care about his profits or how he finances his next spam. He's insulted us by claiming to be a charitable institution and he has accelerated his nonsense ever since. 3 ads a day is sick. He is a relentless parasite that is only concerned with profit. _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] cottingham
Hello, http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history Great Deals Abound! Michael Cottingham On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:45 PM, bill kies wrote: The met-list. A priceless tool or a tool with a price? I'm sick of bitching about cottingham. Look at his ads for this month. Why the hell should we care about his profits or how he finances his next spam. He's insulted us by claiming to be a charitable institution and he has accelerated his nonsense ever since. 3 ads a day is sick. He is a relentless parasite that is only concerned with profit. _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] cottingham
Hello http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history Great Deals Abound Michael Cottingham On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:45 PM, bill kies wrote: The met-list. A priceless tool or a tool with a price? I'm sick of bitching about cottingham. Look at his ads for this month. Why the hell should we care about his profits or how he finances his next spam. He's insulted us by claiming to be a charitable institution and he has accelerated his nonsense ever since. 3 ads a day is sick. He is a relentless parasite that is only concerned with profit. _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] cottingham
Not sure if I responded to this, but ... http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history Great Deals Abound Michael Cottingham On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:45 PM, bill kies wrote: The met-list. A priceless tool or a tool with a price? I'm sick of bitching about cottingham. Look at his ads for this month. Why the hell should we care about his profits or how he finances his next spam. He's insulted us by claiming to be a charitable institution and he has accelerated his nonsense ever since. 3 ads a day is sick. He is a relentless parasite that is only concerned with profit. _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] cottingham
Bill, Get over yourself and try to find another outlet for your sad and misdirected bile. Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Mark michael cottingham wrote: Hello, http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history Great Deals Abound! Michael Cottingham On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:45 PM, bill kies wrote: The met-list. A priceless tool or a tool with a price? I'm sick of bitching about cottingham. Look at his ads for this month. Why the hell should we care about his profits or how he finances his next spam. He's insulted us by claiming to be a charitable institution and he has accelerated his nonsense ever since. 3 ads a day is sick. He is a relentless parasite that is only concerned with profit. _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] cottingham
Dude no bile...just smiles. It could of been a lot worse. Michael Cottingham On Apr 30, 2009, at 5:01 PM, Mark Crawford wrote: Bill, Get over yourself and try to find another outlet for your sad and misdirected bile. Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Mark michael cottingham wrote: Hello, http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history Great Deals Abound! Michael Cottingham On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:45 PM, bill kies wrote: The met-list. A priceless tool or a tool with a price? I'm sick of bitching about cottingham. Look at his ads for this month. Why the hell should we care about his profits or how he finances his next spam. He's insulted us by claiming to be a charitable institution and he has accelerated his nonsense ever since. 3 ads a day is sick. He is a relentless parasite that is only concerned with profit. _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] cottingham - BAN BILL
I remember when I joined this list about 10 years ago that there was always a great meteorite discussion and many academics were willing to share insights. This discussion forum has gone downhill over the years as the result of a very small number (Less than a dozen) people who regularly made personal attacks for various reasons - often has part of a misguided sales strategy to sell meteorites. Over the past year almost everybody has quited down , realizing that they were harming themselves as much as their victim - or have simply left or been kicked of the list. Very few academics will associate themselves with the list and make postings anymore. Its mostly dealers and a die hard few nowadays who post. Very few people (Less than a dozen) care if somebody makes a couple extra sales postings a month. Most people have learned what a delete key is used for. Over the past six months this list basically has a single diehard crackpot that continues to dribble (Or flood) out this sort of bile that is responsible for people not taking part in discussions and responsible for the loss of community spirit that this list had when I joined 10 years ago. The list was better then and many members considered other members personal friends even if they never met. People dont leave this list because of a couple extra sales postings (Although they leave because of the bitching about it). Recently everybody has either been acting (At least semi) civilized (or left altogether). Today, A single crackpot is left that continues to spew the hate and bile for no reason other than that he gets off on it that the rest of us would prefer to not be exposed to as we discuss or sell meteorites. I recommend that Art Ban crackpot bill Sincerely DEAN --- On Thu, 4/30/09, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote: From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] cottingham To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 3:45 PM The met-list. A priceless tool or a tool with a price? I'm sick of bitching about cottingham. Look at his ads for this month. Why the hell should we care about his profits or how he finances his next spam. He's insulted us by claiming to be a charitable institution and he has accelerated his nonsense ever since. 3 ads a day is sick. He is a relentless parasite that is only concerned with profit. _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] cottingham - BAN BILL - lift the AD limit
An easy way to eliminate the issue is to lift the AD limit... problem solved. Just my opinion. Greg C. I am not going to try and set policy or personally declare myself sheriff but I will make an argument in support of this - realizing that a small number of people do abuse the postings. I know myself when I make sale postings its usually a bunch of sales clumped all together. When I left Canada for example for a couple weeks I was having sales almost every day. Then nobody herd from me for a year. When I get a new moroccan shipment or when I go to shows like Tucson or Munich I also post almost daily sales sometimes. Sometimes the sales are on behalf of my moroccan friends and sometimes my own stuff and if I could only post one ad while in munich, becides hurting my personal profits it prevents people who cant go to take part in the show and acquire new stuff on offer. Another example: Michael Blood has in february what is probably the worlds biggest meteorite even as far as collectors are concerned. You never hear from him for a year so would it be fair to prevent list members from learning about the most recent updates to the main event? Of course not. Several people who were the biggest abusers have pretty much abandoned the list and you never hear from their sales anymore - you can bet that the list in general is missing out on new stuff because of that. However, with you agree with me or not, wither bill is right or not, one thing is clear. Spewing attacks to 1000 people and pissing half of them off is not the way to react. Nobody wants to hear this crap. You get more anti list bitching than you do ads. The list could be renamed the anti ad bitching list. Here is a tip. If you are confident that you never want to buy something from somebody just use your email filters to block that persons emails. Problem solved. Sincerely DEAN PS: You would of course think that sales are something new and not the same stuff on offer again (And again, and again and again and.). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] cottingham - BAN BILL - lift the AD limit
Dean takes that out of context. I don't understand why Dean defends the right to spam since he never does. Greg said lift it or enforce it. That makes perfect sense. Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:22:49 -0700 From: deanbes...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] cottingham - BAN BILL - lift the AD limit An easy way to eliminate the issue is to lift the AD limit... problem solved. Just my opinion. Greg C. I am not going to try and set policy or personally declare myself sheriff but I will make an argument in support of this - realizing that a small number of people do abuse the postings. I know myself when I make sale postings its usually a bunch of sales clumped all together. When I left Canada for example for a couple weeks I was having sales almost every day. Then nobody herd from me for a year. When I get a new moroccan shipment or when I go to shows like Tucson or Munich I also post almost daily sales sometimes. Sometimes the sales are on behalf of my moroccan friends and sometimes my own stuff and if I could only post one ad while in munich, becides hurting my personal profits it prevents people who cant go to take part in the show and acquire new stuff on offer. Another example: Michael Blood has in february what is probably the worlds biggest meteorite even as far as collectors are concerned. You never hear from him for a year so would it be fair to prevent list members from learning about the most recent updates to the main event? Of course not. Several people who were the biggest abusers have pretty much abandoned the list and you never hear from their sales anymore - you can bet that the list in general is missing out on new stuff because of that. However, with you agree with me or not, wither bill is right or not, one thing is clear. Spewing attacks to 1000 people and pissing half of them off is not the way to react. Nobody wants to hear this crap. You get more anti list bitching than you do ads. The list could be renamed the anti ad bitching list. Here is a tip. If you are confident that you never want to buy something from somebody just use your email filters to block that persons emails. Problem solved. Sincerely DEAN PS: You would of course think that sales are something new and not the same stuff on offer again (And again, and again and again and.). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Updates2_042009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] cottingham
I agree for the spam, sinceraly I am boken to seen every few days tons of AD from Cottingham when the list rule say 1 AD for week. Where is Art? Matteo - Original Message - Da : bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com A : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : [meteorite-list] cottingham Data : Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:45:48 -0500 The met-list. A priceless tool or a tool with a price? I'm sick of bitching about cottingham. Look at his ads for this month. Why the hell should we care about his profits or how he finances his next spam. He's insulted us by claiming to be a charitable institution and he has accelerated his nonsense ever since. 3 ads a day is sick. He is a relentless parasite that is only concerned with profit. __ ___ Windows Live Hotmail®: more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.info Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] cottingham
Art when you banned for this spam? Matteo - Original Message - Da : michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com A : bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] cottingham Data : Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:21:51 -0700 Not sure if I responded to this, but ... http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history Great Deals Abound Michael Cottingham On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:45 PM, bill kies wrote: The met-list. A priceless tool or a tool with a price? I'm sick of bitching about cottingham. Look at his ads for this month. Why the hell should we care about his profits or how he finances his next spam. He's insulted us by claiming to be a charitable institution and he has accelerated his nonsense ever since. 3 ads a day is sick. He is a relentless parasite that is only concerned with profit. __ ___ Windows Live Hotmail®: more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.info Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cottingham and Farmer
Hi All For those of you whohave been trying to contact Michael Cottingham or Mike Farmer, they may not be able to return email correspondence until Wednesday or possibly Thursday. Best Regards.. Jim Strope
[meteorite-list] Cottingham
Hello all If someone of you succeeds to enter in contact with Cottingham the shapeless ones that I am waiting for an answer through the 2 email that I have contacted, here the packages are not arrive to me and I would not want to have lost $600 for null. Thanks. Regards Matteo P.S. I have put some auctions, please inform me if you see in the Alfianello auction the background with the widmanstatten patterns and the image into the text, thanks. = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
