subject:"\[meteorite\-list\] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once\! $OT$"

This guy has been saying I am paranoid since the start.

Now he tries to say he was giving "constructive advice".

I actually would have appreciated REAL advice minus
the innuendo and usual sarcasm of your emails.

Like I said others have responded about your behavior.
Maybe you should quit before you are completely exposed
as a 'List Troll' which is a pathetic Narcissistic person who goes
from list to list making snide remarks to real posts!

And once again I am sending this to the list because they
deserve to know about your behavior.

Regards,
Johnny

- Original Message -
From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Johnny Rieben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once!
(OT)

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:40:25 -0600, you wrote:

>Too bad Darren,
>
>the list deserves to know who they are dealing with.
>I have received several emails from people who are also sick of you.
>
>Your existence seems to be based on smart-ass comments and
>trying to sound smarter than others on the list...get a life!

It isn't hard to sound smarter than a paranoid crackpot nitwit like
yourself.

I've been using Ebay since 1998.  I think I have an idea of how it works and
what makes people buy or not buy an item.  You could have taken what I said
as
constructive advice on how to get your auctions that you are complaining
about
NOT selling to sell, but you choose the playground insults route.  And that
unwillingness to take advise is why you will continue to fail on ebay (if
anyone
else is seeing this, this is another private e-mail forwarded)

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=darren_garriso
n

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

Too bad Darren,

this list deserves to know who they are dealing with.
I have received several emails from people who are also sick of you.

Your existence seems to be based on smart-ass comments and
trying to sound smarter than others on the list...get a life!

Johnny



- Original Message -
From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Johnny Rieben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once!
(OT)


You know how I mentioned in that private e-mail that you just now forwared
to
the list that I wasn't going to make personal attacks against you because it
was
against list policy?  Well, so is forwarding private e-mails to the list.

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:13:16 -0600, you wrote:

>I knew I would get a response from you since you have no life and are
>constantly staring at your only friendthe computer...how sad.
>You need to start selling on eBay and stop talking about it.
>By the way I do just fine...how about you?parents giving you enough
>money?
>
>So sorry you suck,
>
>Johnny
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Johnny Rieben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once!
>(OT)
>
>
>On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:43:00 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>Mark,
>>
>>after reading your email
>>I am sure that you and Darren both live in his parents basement.
>>
>>Pathetic, lifeless, basement, nerds are always revealed by their snide
>>emails
>>in which they try to sound smarter than others.
>>
>>I hope you and Darren are happy together in your basement love affair!
>
>At least I'm not overcharging for shipping (and using the wrong shipping
>method
>IS overcharging even if you aren't "making a profit" on it) and
overcharging
>for
>banknotes that are worth more or less the same price as a square of toilet
>paper.  And having paranoid, tin-foil-hat worthy delusions of conspiracies
>that
>don't exist.  And saying something as utterly LAME as "rage against the
>machine"
>and not only taking it seriously yourself but also NOT realizing that
>everyone
>else is chuckling over your conyness.
>
>I tried to show a REASON that your sales aren't going too well, not just a
>"they
>are out to get me" excuse.  I did not resort to personal attacks on the
list
>(statement that you are massively overcharging on shipping for some items
is
>true) because I was trying to be somewhat constructive and because personal
>attacks violate list policies.  But paranoid, crackpot losers like yourself
>feel
>the constant need to be "persecuted" for revealing their great truths that
>others can't see.
>
>Enjoy continuing to fail at ebay.  Feel free to place the blame everywhere
>but
>on your own failings.
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

2006-07-30 Thread Darren Garrison

You know how I mentioned in that private e-mail that you just now forwared to
the list that I wasn't going to make personal attacks against you because it was
against list policy?  Well, so is forwarding private e-mails to the list.

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:13:16 -0600, you wrote:

>I knew I would get a response from you since you have no life and are
>constantly staring at your only friendthe computer...how sad.
>You need to start selling on eBay and stop talking about it.
>By the way I do just fine...how about you?parents giving you enough
>money?
>
>So sorry you suck,
>
>Johnny
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Johnny Rieben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once!
>(OT)
>
>
>On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:43:00 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>Mark,
>>
>>after reading your email
>>I am sure that you and Darren both live in his parents basement.
>>
>>Pathetic, lifeless, basement, nerds are always revealed by their snide
>>emails
>>in which they try to sound smarter than others.
>>
>>I hope you and Darren are happy together in your basement love affair!
>
>At least I'm not overcharging for shipping (and using the wrong shipping
>method
>IS overcharging even if you aren't "making a profit" on it) and overcharging
>for
>banknotes that are worth more or less the same price as a square of toilet
>paper.  And having paranoid, tin-foil-hat worthy delusions of conspiracies
>that
>don't exist.  And saying something as utterly LAME as "rage against the
>machine"
>and not only taking it seriously yourself but also NOT realizing that
>everyone
>else is chuckling over your conyness.
>
>I tried to show a REASON that your sales aren't going too well, not just a
>"they
>are out to get me" excuse.  I did not resort to personal attacks on the list
>(statement that you are massively overcharging on shipping for some items is
>true) because I was trying to be somewhat constructive and because personal
>attacks violate list policies.  But paranoid, crackpot losers like yourself
>feel
>the constant need to be "persecuted" for revealing their great truths that
>others can't see.
>
>Enjoy continuing to fail at ebay.  Feel free to place the blame everywhere
>but
>on your own failings.
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

I knew I would get a response from you since you have no life and are
constantly staring at your only friendthe computer...how sad.
You need to start selling on eBay and stop talking about it.
By the way I do just fine...how about you?parents giving you enough
money?

So sorry you suck,

Johnny

- Original Message -
From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Johnny Rieben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once!
(OT)

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:43:00 -0600, you wrote:

>Mark,
>
>after reading your email
>I am sure that you and Darren both live in his parents basement.
>
>Pathetic, lifeless, basement, nerds are always revealed by their snide
>emails
>in which they try to sound smarter than others.
>
>I hope you and Darren are happy together in your basement love affair!

At least I'm not overcharging for shipping (and using the wrong shipping
method
IS overcharging even if you aren't "making a profit" on it) and overcharging
for
banknotes that are worth more or less the same price as a square of toilet
paper.  And having paranoid, tin-foil-hat worthy delusions of conspiracies
that
don't exist.  And saying something as utterly LAME as "rage against the
machine"
and not only taking it seriously yourself but also NOT realizing that
everyone
else is chuckling over your conyness.

I tried to show a REASON that your sales aren't going too well, not just a
"they
are out to get me" excuse.  I did not resort to personal attacks on the list
(statement that you are massively overcharging on shipping for some items is
true) because I was trying to be somewhat constructive and because personal
attacks violate list policies.  But paranoid, crackpot losers like yourself
feel
the constant need to be "persecuted" for revealing their great truths that
others can't see.

Enjoy continuing to fail at ebay.  Feel free to place the blame everywhere
but
on your own failings.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

Mark,

after reading your email
I am sure that you and Darren both live in his parents basement.

Pathetic, lifeless, basement, nerds are always revealed by their snide
emails
in which they try to sound smarter than others.

I hope you and Darren are happy together in your basement love affair!

Regards,
Johnny


- Original Message -
From: "Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Johnny Rieben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once!
(OT)


> RIPOFF stone cold and sober. Dump the flat rate box, find some envelopes
and
> go first class or what ever the actual costs are.
>
> Seems to me flagging sales could be due to your overcharging for shipping.
>
> Anyways to me it sounds like ebay hates you and they are out to get you.
> Save your money and your life forces and do not sell on ebay. I hear Brick
> and Mortar sales are a better deal that e-commerce. There is all that
> overhead for a lease and utilities and taxes, but at least you can not get
> beat down by a SEARCH ENGINE!
>
> Try another venue...
> - Original Message -
> From: "Johnny Rieben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 6:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once!
> (OT)
>
>
> > Hey Darren,
> >
> > I charge exactly what it costs me. The $4.05 is the flat rate box and I
> > can print the label and then drop it off. The $1.00 extra per each item
> > is for any extra costs over the $4.05 and is clearly stated. Anything
over
> > 1 pound including the box is subject to higher fees. Plus I have to
> > generally
> > bubble wrap each item individually...not the case with the notes but you
> > get
> > the idea.
> >
> > So I fail to see how any of this violates any eBay policy
>
>

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

2006-07-30 Thread Mark

RIPOFF stone cold and sober. Dump the flat rate box, find some envelopes and 
go first class or what ever the actual costs are.


Seems to me flagging sales could be due to your overcharging for shipping.

Anyways to me it sounds like ebay hates you and they are out to get you. 
Save your money and your life forces and do not sell on ebay. I hear Brick 
and Mortar sales are a better deal that e-commerce. There is all that 
overhead for a lease and utilities and taxes, but at least you can not get 
beat down by a SEARCH ENGINE!


Try another venue...
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From: "Johnny Rieben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! 
(OT)




Hey Darren,

I charge exactly what it costs me. The $4.05 is the flat rate box and I
can print the label and then drop it off. The $1.00 extra per each item
is for any extra costs over the $4.05 and is clearly stated. Anything over
1 pound including the box is subject to higher fees. Plus I have to
generally
bubble wrap each item individually...not the case with the notes but you 
get

the idea.

So I fail to see how any of this violates any eBay policy 



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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

2006-07-30 Thread Mark


Johnny,

Take a pill dude and relax. Whatever issue you had with ebay I can tell you 
that whatever you had ahppen was a momentary thing. I have been on ebay for 
7 years and thousands of items and never hjad an issue with searches. I 
would respectfully suggest you check you work, perhaps you did something 
wrong.


And then I would go back and have you read your users agreement with ebay 
and also every EULA that you have ever blankly clicked "accept" on as you 
install the accompanying software.


NO ONE and I mean no one in this world called the internet/software takes 
any responsibility for anything they do write or create. You can not hold 
anyone responsibile for anything related to the net.


As for ebay, I highly doubt it is a conspiracy, ebay has way too much to 
lose to do anything they could ever get caught at, and everything can be 
found out by someone somewhere.


But in case you still think that ebay is up to something I have the number 
of a man that used to hang out on a "Grassy Knoll" in Dallas, perhaps 
together you can both get to the bottom of ebays conspiracy to prevent 
searches.


Thanks

Mark M.
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From: "Johnny Rieben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! 
(OT)




But the point is they are already rich and are now screwing the little
guys because of 'server issues'. They arent trying to get rich off of
this they are trying to protect the server space of higher paying 
customers!

They would never do this unless they were trying to protect BIGGER
amounts of money than mine. I say RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE!!!

Regards,

Johnny


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From: "stan ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:00 PM
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(OT)





>As all this was going on my auctions ended and I lost LOTS of money to

low

>bids and no bids. Some of my specimens went for .99 and were worth 10

times

>that or more.

I've sold maybe 500 or more auctions on ebay - and i'm a little guy by

far.

And yet i have never seen the phenomina you mention and i always keyword
search my own listings to see what other comperable stuff is going for.

but let's look at this for a second.
the insertioin fee for a .99$ item is .20$
final value fee for a 10$ item is 5.25% of the closing cost or .53$

so if there is some problem with ebays search engine it's costing them

final

value fees that are two and a half times what they are getting for your
listing fee.

doesnt sound like too logical of a nefarious plot on ebay's part to get

rich

quick by 'stealing' insertion fees.




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Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

2006-07-29 Thread JKGwilliam


At 06:55 PM 7/29/2006, Darren Garrison wrote:

The man reason I pointed out that auction, though, is that you shouldn't
automaticly assume a low- or no- sale price is a conspiracy on the part of
ebay-- it might be that you have items that people aren't willing to pay the
price+shipping for.


Ah, come on...I was just starting to get into this Ebay conspiracy 
plot.  Don't ruin it by saying something logical;-)


JKGwilliam 


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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:06:31 -0600, you wrote:

>For someone like me that is ideal and not a bad idea since
>the item is more protected by the box and it arrives in 2-3 days.
>I dont have to worry about damage or losses and neither do other
>people who use priority mail.
>
>It is worth the cost to protect the item and arrive sooner!

My last post on this, too.  It may be less "ideal" for you to pick different
shipping methods for different items, but it may be what is required if you
actually want to sell the item that you have.  If you charge $4.05 to ship an
item that sells for tens or hundreds of dollars and weighs ounces or pounds,
that should reasonably be no big deal to the buyer.  But if you charge $4.05 to
ship an item worth a few cents and weighing a couple of grams, then the
potential customer is going to think long and hard about buying it.  Who do you
think a seller will buy the item from, even if we assume that both people charge
the same initial price?  The person who puts the banknote in an envelope and
charges you 50 cents to mail it, or the person who puts it in a priority mail
box and charges $4.05?  It it really "ideal" if the sale goes to the other guy
because of your excessive packaging?

>Please dont suggest I am 'cheating' just because you are bored.

You may not be cheating.  But I was buying banknotes on ebay years before I
started buying meteorites, and rest assured that 99.9% of the people that are
charging several dollars to ship a single banknote ARE cheating, and anyone with
experience of cheaters will take one look at your price and assume that you are
in the 99.9% and not the .1%.  If you are walking like a duck and quacking like
a duck, how is anyone who doesn't know you supposed to know that you are a guy
wearing a duck suit?  RAGE against the DUCK!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

Hello again everybody,
after researching this further it seems the problem
is directly related to eBay store
items that were later moved into
auctions.
As for eBay supposedly caring about this and
wanting to make money...they already have
plenty of money that is the point! When a
corporation gets too big it becomes a monopoly
and could care less about the little mice in it's
maze. Not to mention that they recently
claimed they had to raise the store fees 500% to
cover their server and hosting costs!!!
So it looks to me like they make room on their
servers by randomly booting items from the
search. Or maybe it isnt that random...maybe it
only happens to people with BASIC store
subscriptions. As we all know greed and power go
together and eBay is certainly not immune.
"Absloute power corrupts absolutely!"
(not sure who said that)
Regards,
Johnny

- Original Message -
From:
steve
eshbaugh
To: Johnny Rieben
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 4:41
PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is
ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)
Sounds more like a technical problem. I'm sure if Ebay knew
they were losing revenue since they get a certain % of the final sale- you'd
think they would fix it.. By selling low- they lose
$$$Johnny Rieben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Hello
Met-List members,It saddens me to inform you all of a nefarious
problem with eBay.The majority of you have probably sold items on eBay
before and have hadboth success and failure. But did you ever wonder why
certain sales fail somiserably? I have come across something that many
of you are probably notaware of and it involves the eBay search
function. I have had several verybadauctions on ebay where more than
half of the items do not sell. I just foundouttoday by doing the
search functions myself that these items could be foundNOWHERE!!! This
is not the first time this has occurred but in the otherinstances it was
only a few scattered items among 50 or more listings.I contacted eBay on
their ONLY available live-help source which is the chat.They kept
repeating that there was nothing they could do and when I askedto be
connected to someone who could do something they suggested email.As all
this was going on my auctions ended and I lost LOTS of money to lowbids
and no bids. Some of my specimens went for .99 and were worth 10
timesthat or more.When your items are unavailable in the search
function just minutes beforeending ...that is a true CRIME! The vast
majority of bidding is in thoselast fewminutes!Anyway I just
thought I would warn you all of what is going on since thisisntthe
first time and I am sure it wont be the last.If you value your time
and moneythen you may want to watch your auctions carefully especially
in the lastfewhours/minutes. I also believe that these are in a
sense 'criminal acts'since there isno way to recoup the losses for
eBays 'problems'.Just thought I would let you all know what
monopolies like eBay are doing totheircustomers.Best
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Okay Darren last word on this topic.

I ship everything USPS Priority Mail and so do alot of others.
I can print the labels for free and get the boxes for free from USPS.

For someone like me that is ideal and not a bad idea since
the item is more protected by the box and it arrives in 2-3 days.
I dont have to worry about damage or losses and neither do other
people who use priority mail.

It is worth the cost to protect the item and arrive sooner!
Please dont suggest I am 'cheating' just because you are bored.

Final Regards,

Johnny




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To: "Johnny Rieben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least
once! (OT)


On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:22:35 -0600, you wrote:

>So I fail to see how any of this violates any eBay policy.

That banknote was one of the few items that I clicked on as a "sample" of
what
you had for sale and saw the $4.05 price.  I see that you charge $4.05 for
other
items, too, and $4.05 isn't unreasonable for micromounts and "bulky" things
like
that.

I've bought hundreds of banknotes via ebay and most of them come in regular
envelopes with a regular stamp, either sandwitched between two pieces of
cardboard or in a plastic banknote sleeve.  I've never had one in any way
damaged from that shipping method.  If you are shipping a banknote in a
priority
mail box, though, that's frankly kind of dumb.  Especially one with a tiny
tiny
book value like the one that you are selling.  But my experience with people
that charge too much for shipping isn't that they ship the banknotes in
priority
mail boxes-- they ship them in an envelope with a stamp just like anyone
else
(even when they claim that the will be shipping it priority) but charge
several
dollars extra profit that goes into their pockets  THAT is what is against
ebay's policy.

The man reason I pointed out that auction, though, is that you shouldn't
automaticly assume a low- or no- sale price is a conspiracy on the part of
ebay-- it might be that you have items that people aren't willing to pay the
price+shipping for.

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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:22:35 -0600, you wrote:

>So I fail to see how any of this violates any eBay policy.

That banknote was one of the few items that I clicked on as a "sample" of what
you had for sale and saw the $4.05 price.  I see that you charge $4.05 for other
items, too, and $4.05 isn't unreasonable for micromounts and "bulky" things like
that.

I've bought hundreds of banknotes via ebay and most of them come in regular
envelopes with a regular stamp, either sandwitched between two pieces of
cardboard or in a plastic banknote sleeve.  I've never had one in any way
damaged from that shipping method.  If you are shipping a banknote in a priority
mail box, though, that's frankly kind of dumb.  Especially one with a tiny tiny
book value like the one that you are selling.  But my experience with people
that charge too much for shipping isn't that they ship the banknotes in priority
mail boxes-- they ship them in an envelope with a stamp just like anyone else
(even when they claim that the will be shipping it priority) but charge several
dollars extra profit that goes into their pockets  THAT is what is against
ebay's policy. 

The man reason I pointed out that auction, though, is that you shouldn't
automaticly assume a low- or no- sale price is a conspiracy on the part of
ebay-- it might be that you have items that people aren't willing to pay the
price+shipping for.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

So now you say I am not cheating?
I am just using the wrong shipping format for good sales?

Why didnt you just say that at first instead of saying I am cheating?

Is it because your parents basement is so boring that
you have to constantly try and sound 'smart' on this list by
lashing out at others?

Regards,

Johnny

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From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once!
(OT)

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:31:18 -0600, you wrote:

>Don't worry, if you "rage" enough against the "machine"  they'll be out to
>"get"
>you for trying to charge excessive shipping fees in order to circumvent
ebay
>fees-- which is explicitly against their TOS.  I have some of these tiny
>little
>bank notes-- you could ship who knows how many hundred of them for the
$4.05
>you
>are charging to ship one.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=972108048
>
>Hint: if you are cheating the system, don't try to call attention to
>yourself.

I said.
>Hint: if you are trying to accuse someone of  'cheating' use a real URL

I'm sorry, chopped off the last digit.  Here's the URL for the $1.95
banknote
with the $4.05 shipping.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9721080481

And here is the same banknote for 10 cents with 50 cents shipping.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3954227038

And here is a set of 4 notes from the series for 99 cents with $1.00
shipping.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5795316456

Don't blame Ebay when that doesn't sell.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:31:18 -0600, you wrote:

>Don't worry, if you "rage" enough against the "machine"  they'll be out to
>"get"
>you for trying to charge excessive shipping fees in order to circumvent ebay
>fees-- which is explicitly against their TOS.  I have some of these tiny
>little
>bank notes-- you could ship who knows how many hundred of them for the $4.05
>you
>are charging to ship one.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=972108048
>
>Hint: if you are cheating the system, don't try to call attention to
>yourself.

I said.
>Hint: if you are trying to accuse someone of  'cheating' use a real URL

I'm sorry, chopped off the last digit.  Here's the URL for the $1.95 banknote
with the $4.05 shipping. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9721080481

And here is the same banknote for 10 cents with 50 cents shipping. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3954227038

And here is a set of 4 notes from the series for 99 cents with $1.00 shipping.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5795316456

Don't blame Ebay when that doesn't sell.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

Darren Said.
"Hint: if you are cheating the system, don't try to call attention to
yourself"

I said.
Hint: if you are trying to accuse someone of  'cheating' use a real URL

Regards,

Johnny

- Original Message -
From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once!
(OT)

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:11:48 -0600, you wrote:

>Very funny Norm,
>
>although I never said eBay was out to "get" JUST me.
>I was actually quite concerned for all of us small fish.(maybe ur too big?)
>
>They arent out to "get" anybody in particular...the computer
>selects the victim at random. :o)
>
>But as long as Norm is doing okay then it must be fine!

Don't worry, if you "rage" enough against the "machine"  they'll be out to
"get"
you for trying to charge excessive shipping fees in order to circumvent ebay
fees-- which is explicitly against their TOS.  I have some of these tiny
little
bank notes-- you could ship who knows how many hundred of them for the $4.05
you
are charging to ship one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=972108048

Hint: if you are cheating the system, don't try to call attention to
yourself.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

Hey Darren,

I charge exactly what it costs me. The $4.05 is the flat rate box and I
can print the label and then drop it off. The $1.00 extra per each item
is for any extra costs over the $4.05 and is clearly stated. Anything over
1 pound including the box is subject to higher fees. Plus I have to
generally
bubble wrap each item individually...not the case with the notes but you get
the idea.

So I fail to see how any of this violates any eBay policy.
And I really fail to see how anyone would ever get rich shipping priority
mail. Anyone who has ordered from me knows I am fair and honest!
Go ahead and order 'Darren' ..you'll get a priority mail box too.

As for the auction items not being listed correctly
It wasnt just the Olivine Diogenites ...the other stuff didnt show up
either!

I just hope it never happens to you as eBay will never help you on the
matter.
It amazes me how a kind warning to others to 'beware' can get all the dander
up them. From now on you are on your own.

Regards,

Johnny

- Original Message -
From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once!
(OT)

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:11:48 -0600, you wrote:

>Very funny Norm,
>
>although I never said eBay was out to "get" JUST me.
>I was actually quite concerned for all of us small fish.(maybe ur too big?)
>
>They arent out to "get" anybody in particular...the computer
>selects the victim at random. :o)
>
>But as long as Norm is doing okay then it must be fine!

Don't worry, if you "rage" enough against the "machine"  they'll be out to
"get"
you for trying to charge excessive shipping fees in order to circumvent ebay
fees-- which is explicitly against their TOS.  I have some of these tiny
little
bank notes-- you could ship who knows how many hundred of them for the $4.05
you
are charging to ship one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=972108048

Hint: if you are cheating the system, don't try to call attention to
yourself.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:11:48 -0600, you wrote:

>Very funny Norm,
>
>although I never said eBay was out to "get" JUST me.
>I was actually quite concerned for all of us small fish.(maybe ur too big?)
>
>They arent out to "get" anybody in particular...the computer
>selects the victim at random. :o)
>
>But as long as Norm is doing okay then it must be fine!

Don't worry, if you "rage" enough against the "machine"  they'll be out to "get"
you for trying to charge excessive shipping fees in order to circumvent ebay
fees-- which is explicitly against their TOS.  I have some of these tiny little
bank notes-- you could ship who knows how many hundred of them for the $4.05 you
are charging to ship one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=972108048

Hint: if you are cheating the system, don't try to call attention to yourself.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

Very funny Norm,

although I never said eBay was out to "get" JUST me.
I was actually quite concerned for all of us small fish.(maybe ur too big?)

They arent out to "get" anybody in particular...the computer
selects the victim at random. :o)

But as long as Norm is doing okay then it must be fine!
<< Status Quo >>

Regards,

Johnny



- Original Message -
From: "Norm Lehrman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Johnny Rieben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;

Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once!
(OT)


> Johnny,
>
> Moody Blues, circa 1969:
>
> First Man: I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I
> think.
>
> Establishment: Of course you are my bright little
> star,
> I've miles
>  And miles
>   Of files
>   Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
>  and now to suit
> our
>great computer,
>  You're magnetic ink.
>
> First Man: I'm more than that, I know I am, at
> least, I think I must be.
>
> (End quote)
>
> I always find it exhilirating when I realize that the
> cosmos is fiddling with the whole fabric of reality
> just to get at me.  There's a real sense of
> significance in all that.  And for Ebay to mess with
> their whole search engine just for you?  What can I
> say?   You are truly honored.
>
> Regards,
> Norm
>
>
>
> --- Johnny Rieben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hello Darren,
> >
> > I just sent an email a while ago stating why ebay
> > would do this.
> >
> > 1. they are protecting the limited server space for
> > bigger sales
> > 2. they raised store and listing fees saying it 'was
> > costing them more
> > in hosting than it was worth'.(a clue)
> > 3. they are a monopoly and do not care about the
> > little guys.
> >
> > Everyone thinks eBay would never turn down money but
> > I say they
> > wouldin exchange for BIGGER money!
> >
> > P.S. I do sing it...I also shout it and scream it!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Johnny
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Johnny Rieben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping
> > everybody off at least once!
> > (OT)
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:14:33 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> > >guys because of 'server issues'. They arent trying
> > to get rich off of
> > >this they are trying to protect the server space of
> > higher paying
> > customers!
> >
> > But the way to become a "higher paying customer" is
> > to have more people see
> > and
> > bid on your auctions.  Intentionally making people
> > get low closing costs
> > doesn't
> > make sense in that context.
> >
> > >amounts of money than mine. I say RAGE AGAINST THE
> > MACHINE!!!
> >
> > But do you sing it?
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qqb-D8fcFw
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

2006-07-29 Thread Norm Lehrman

Johnny,  

Moody Blues, circa 1969:

First Man: I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I
think.

Establishment: Of course you are my bright little
star,
I've miles
 And miles
  Of files
  Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
 and now to suit
our
   great computer,
 You're magnetic ink.

First Man: I'm more than that, I know I am, at
least, I think I must be.

(End quote)

I always find it exhilirating when I realize that the
cosmos is fiddling with the whole fabric of reality
just to get at me.  There's a real sense of
significance in all that.  And for Ebay to mess with
their whole search engine just for you?  What can I
say?   You are truly honored.

Regards,
Norm



--- Johnny Rieben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello Darren,
> 
> I just sent an email a while ago stating why ebay
> would do this.
> 
> 1. they are protecting the limited server space for
> bigger sales
> 2. they raised store and listing fees saying it 'was
> costing them more
> in hosting than it was worth'.(a clue)
> 3. they are a monopoly and do not care about the
> little guys.
> 
> Everyone thinks eBay would never turn down money but
> I say they
> wouldin exchange for BIGGER money!
> 
> P.S. I do sing it...I also shout it and scream it!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Johnny
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Johnny Rieben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping
> everybody off at least once!
> (OT)
> 
> 
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:14:33 -0600, you wrote:
> 
> >guys because of 'server issues'. They arent trying
> to get rich off of
> >this they are trying to protect the server space of
> higher paying
> customers!
> 
> But the way to become a "higher paying customer" is
> to have more people see
> and
> bid on your auctions.  Intentionally making people
> get low closing costs
> doesn't
> make sense in that context.
> 
> >amounts of money than mine. I say RAGE AGAINST THE
> MACHINE!!!
> 
> But do you sing it?
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qqb-D8fcFw
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

Hello Darren,

I just sent an email a while ago stating why ebay would do this.

1. they are protecting the limited server space for bigger sales
2. they raised store and listing fees saying it 'was costing them more
in hosting than it was worth'.(a clue)
3. they are a monopoly and do not care about the little guys.

Everyone thinks eBay would never turn down money but I say they
wouldin exchange for BIGGER money!

P.S. I do sing it...I also shout it and scream it!

Regards,

Johnny

- Original Message -
From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Johnny Rieben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once!
(OT)

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:14:33 -0600, you wrote:

>guys because of 'server issues'. They arent trying to get rich off of
>this they are trying to protect the server space of higher paying
customers!

But the way to become a "higher paying customer" is to have more people see
and
bid on your auctions.  Intentionally making people get low closing costs
doesn't
make sense in that context.

>amounts of money than mine. I say RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE!!!

But do you sing it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qqb-D8fcFw

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:14:33 -0600, you wrote:

>guys because of 'server issues'. They arent trying to get rich off of
>this they are trying to protect the server space of higher paying customers!

But the way to become a "higher paying customer" is to have more people see and
bid on your auctions.  Intentionally making people get low closing costs doesn't
make sense in that context.

>amounts of money than mine. I say RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE!!!

But do you sing it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qqb-D8fcFw
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

2006-07-29 Thread Michael L Blood

Yo Johnny,
First, let me say I regret I cannot see what you and Stan look
like wanna send me a jpg for the Meteorite Friends Page?
Next, here is what I have found re having your auction listed
where it can be found:
1) First, select "Rocks, minerals, meteorites and
tektites" for the category.
2) Secondly, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, put the word, "meteorite"
in the item title box!
If you do this, I find it hard to believe you will not find your
item accordingly. Of course, I could be wrong, my wife often tells
me I am.
Best wishes, Michael

on 7/29/06 4:00 PM, stan . at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> As all this was going on my auctions ended and I lost LOTS of money to low
>> bids and no bids. Some of my specimens went for .99 and were worth 10 times
>> that or more.
> 
> I've sold maybe 500 or more auctions on ebay - and i'm a little guy by far.
> And yet i have never seen the phenomina you mention and i always keyword
> search my own listings to see what other comperable stuff is going for.
> 
> but let's look at this for a second.
> the insertioin fee for a .99$ item is .20$
> final value fee for a 10$ item is 5.25% of the closing cost or .53$
> 
> so if there is some problem with ebays search engine it's costing them final
> value fees that are two and a half times what they are getting for your
> listing fee.
> 
> doesnt sound like too logical of a nefarious plot on ebay's part to get rich
> quick by 'stealing' insertion fees.
> 
> 
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Hello Met-List members,

It saddens me to inform you all of a nefarious problem with eBay.
The majority of you have probably sold items on eBay before and have had
both success and failure. But did you ever wonder why certain sales fail so
miserably? I have come across something that many of you are probably not
aware of and it involves the eBay search function. I have had several very
bad
auctions on ebay where more than half of the items do not sell. I just found
out
today by doing the search functions myself that these items could be found
NOWHERE!!! This is not the first time this has occurred but in the other
instances it was only a few scattered items among 50 or more listings.
I contacted eBay on their ONLY available live-help source which is the chat.
They kept repeating that there was nothing they could do and when I asked
to be connected to someone who could do something they suggested email.
As all this was going on my auctions ended and I lost LOTS of money to low
bids and no bids. Some of my specimens went for .99 and were worth 10 times
that or more.

When your items are unavailable in the search function just minutes before
ending ...that is a true CRIME! The vast majority of bidding is in those
last few
minutes!

Anyway I just thought I would warn you all of what is going on since this
isnt
the first time and I am sure it wont be the last.

If you value your time and money
then you may want to watch your auctions carefully especially in the last
few
hours/minutes. I also believe that these are in a sense 'criminal acts'
since there is
no way to recoup the losses for eBays 'problems'.

Just thought I would let you all know what monopolies like eBay are doing to
their
customers.

Best Regards,

Johnny Rieben
Artifacts4all
www.artifacts4all.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

But the point is they are already rich and are now screwing the little
guys because of 'server issues'. They arent trying to get rich off of
this they are trying to protect the server space of higher paying customers!
They would never do this unless they were trying to protect BIGGER
amounts of money than mine. I say RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE!!!

Regards,

Johnny


- Original Message -
From: "stan ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once!
(OT)


>
>
> >As all this was going on my auctions ended and I lost LOTS of money to
low
> >bids and no bids. Some of my specimens went for .99 and were worth 10
times
> >that or more.
>
> I've sold maybe 500 or more auctions on ebay - and i'm a little guy by
far.
> And yet i have never seen the phenomina you mention and i always keyword
> search my own listings to see what other comperable stuff is going for.
>
> but let's look at this for a second.
> the insertioin fee for a .99$ item is .20$
> final value fee for a 10$ item is 5.25% of the closing cost or .53$
>
> so if there is some problem with ebays search engine it's costing them
final
> value fees that are two and a half times what they are getting for your
> listing fee.
>
> doesnt sound like too logical of a nefarious plot on ebay's part to get
rich
> quick by 'stealing' insertion fees.
>
>

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2006-07-29 Thread stan .





As all this was going on my auctions ended and I lost LOTS of money to low
bids and no bids. Some of my specimens went for .99 and were worth 10 times
that or more.


I've sold maybe 500 or more auctions on ebay - and i'm a little guy by far. 
And yet i have never seen the phenomina you mention and i always keyword 
search my own listings to see what other comperable stuff is going for.


but let's look at this for a second.
the insertioin fee for a .99$ item is .20$
final value fee for a 10$ item is 5.25% of the closing cost or .53$

so if there is some problem with ebays search engine it's costing them final 
value fees that are two and a half times what they are getting for your 
listing fee.


doesnt sound like too logical of a nefarious plot on ebay's part to get rich 
quick by 'stealing' insertion fees.



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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

2006-07-29 Thread Bob Evans

Never seen that before. Every item that I have wanted to bid on within the 
last few minutes was always available, for years now.
However, that doesn't mean that ebay doesn't freeze up, even with seconds 
left in a auction which it certainly does.


Just the nature of the net.

Relax Johnny .. Im sure ebay isn't out to get you.
Im sure ebay would want every auction to end in big money.
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From: "Johnny Rieben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 4:37 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)



Hello Met-List members,

It saddens me to inform you all of a nefarious problem with eBay.
The majority of you have probably sold items on eBay before and have had
both success and failure. But did you ever wonder why certain sales fail 
so

miserably? I have come across something that many of you are probably not
aware of and it involves the eBay search function. I have had several very
bad
auctions on ebay where more than half of the items do not sell. I just 
found

out
today by doing the search functions myself that these items could be found
NOWHERE!!! This is not the first time this has occurred but in the other
instances it was only a few scattered items among 50 or more listings.
I contacted eBay on their ONLY available live-help source which is the 
chat.

They kept repeating that there was nothing they could do and when I asked
to be connected to someone who could do something they suggested email.
As all this was going on my auctions ended and I lost LOTS of money to low
bids and no bids. Some of my specimens went for .99 and were worth 10 
times

that or more.

When your items are unavailable in the search function just minutes before
ending ...that is a true CRIME! The vast majority of bidding is in those
last few
minutes!

Anyway I just thought I would warn you all of what is going on since this
isnt
the first time and I am sure it wont be the last.

If you value your time and money
then you may want to watch your auctions carefully especially in the last
few
hours/minutes. I also believe that these are in a sense 'criminal acts'
since there is
no way to recoup the losses for eBays 'problems'.

Just thought I would let you all know what monopolies like eBay are doing 
to

their
customers.

Best Regards,

Johnny Rieben
Artifacts4all
www.artifacts4all.com




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