Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?
I've recently studied up on Olivine Diogenites and Dunites and collated the info from all the papers I could find. So further to Jason's info below, I also found that a general rule of thumb is that Olivine Diogenites have an olivine content of 40% while Dunites have an olivine content of 90%. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Hello All, A dunite is a type of ultramafic rock composed of olivine. It is associated with conditions/an origin in the (upper) mantle of a differentiated body (not just Earth). They form at greater depths than one would find any significant amount of orthopyroxene, and are composed primarily of olivine (which is a denser mineral). Olivine diogenites are technically dunites from 4-Vesta; Chassigny is a Martian dunite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunite Regards, Jason On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: Dunite is the Earth version of Tatahouine. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Thu, 4/7/11, tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com wrote: From: tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? To: Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 3:31 AM I had thought that dunites were Martian, like Chassigny. Have dunites been identified from other sources? Best! Tracy Latimer Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 22:58:02 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: fips_br...@yahoo.de CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Hi Regine, All HEDOD meteorites are assumed to be Vestan in origin - Howardite, Eucrite, Diogenite, Olivine diogenite, and Dunite. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/6/11, Regine Petersen wrote: Hi all, Is there a list of assumed Vesta meteorites? Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?
Hello Mike, Regine, and Listers Regine there are 486 HED meteorites that are non Antarctica. Mike and Listers I have a question... I was trying to search for the other two HEDOD Olivine diogenite, and Dunites on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database and under class they do not have those listed. Am I missing something? Or am I overlooking the classes and I need glasses? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?Michael Gilmer meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 22:58:02 EDT 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Next message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Regine, All HEDOD meteorites are assumed to be Vestan in origin - Howardite, Eucrite, Diogenite, Olivine diogenite, and Dunite. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/6/11, Regine Petersen fips_bruno at yahoo.de wrote: Hi all, Is there a list of assumed Vesta meteorites? Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- Previous message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Next message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?
I had thought that dunites were Martian, like Chassigny. Have dunites been identified from other sources? Best! Tracy Latimer Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 22:58:02 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: fips_br...@yahoo.de CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Hi Regine, All HEDOD meteorites are assumed to be Vestan in origin - Howardite, Eucrite, Diogenite, Olivine diogenite, and Dunite. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/6/11, Regine Petersen wrote: Hi all, Is there a list of assumed Vesta meteorites? Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?
Dunite is the Earth version of Tatahouine. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Thu, 4/7/11, tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com wrote: From: tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? To: Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 3:31 AM I had thought that dunites were Martian, like Chassigny. Have dunites been identified from other sources? Best! Tracy Latimer Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 22:58:02 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: fips_br...@yahoo.de CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Hi Regine, All HEDOD meteorites are assumed to be Vestan in origin - Howardite, Eucrite, Diogenite, Olivine diogenite, and Dunite. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/6/11, Regine Petersen wrote: Hi all, Is there a list of assumed Vesta meteorites? Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?
Hi Shawn: I do not think anyone responded to your question about olinive-bearing diogenites. Here is a links to articles: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1502.pdf http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/1835.pdf Sorry, but have not been keeping up on the subject. Larry Hello Mike, Regine, and Listers Regine there are 486 HED meteorites that are non Antarctica. Mike and Listers I have a question... I was trying to search for the other two HEDOD Olivine diogenite, and Dunites on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database and under class they do not have those listed. Am I missing something? Or am I overlooking the classes and I need glasses? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?Michael Gilmer meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 22:58:02 EDT 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Next message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Regine, All HEDOD meteorites are assumed to be Vestan in origin - Howardite, Eucrite, Diogenite, Olivine diogenite, and Dunite. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/6/11, Regine Petersen fips_bruno at yahoo.de wrote: Hi all, Is there a list of assumed Vesta meteorites? Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- Previous message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Next message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?
Hi Tracy, Yes, the meteorites that are actually called Dunites are believed to be from Vesta and represent a piece of the puzzle that had seemed to be missing from Vestan samples for years. A very important find was made in the form of two NWA's... specifically NWA 2968 (Dunite) and NWA 3329 (Diogenite). The amazing thing is that these two meteorites were found together with a few samples actually having both lithologies, thereby linking these Dunites with Diogenites and therefore strengthening the link with Vesta. Of course there is more to it than that but that's my basic understanding of it. Try these links for some interesting reading: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2006/pdf/5252.pdf http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2010/pdf/5304.pdf However, your point is also valid in regards to the Chassignites. The term dunite generally refers to an olivine-rich rock which Chassignites are and why they have been dubbed as Martian dunites in the past. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? I had thought that dunites were Martian, like Chassigny. Have dunites been identified from other sources? Best! Tracy Latimer Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 22:58:02 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: fips_br...@yahoo.de CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Hi Regine, All HEDOD meteorites are assumed to be Vestan in origin - Howardite, Eucrite, Diogenite, Olivine diogenite, and Dunite. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/6/11, Regine Petersen wrote: Hi all, Is there a list of assumed Vesta meteorites? Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?
Hello All, A dunite is a type of ultramafic rock composed of olivine. It is associated with conditions/an origin in the (upper) mantle of a differentiated body (not just Earth). They form at greater depths than one would find any significant amount of orthopyroxene, and are composed primarily of olivine (which is a denser mineral). Olivine diogenites are technically dunites from 4-Vesta; Chassigny is a Martian dunite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunite Regards, Jason On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: Dunite is the Earth version of Tatahouine. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Thu, 4/7/11, tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com wrote: From: tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? To: Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 3:31 AM I had thought that dunites were Martian, like Chassigny. Have dunites been identified from other sources? Best! Tracy Latimer Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 22:58:02 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: fips_br...@yahoo.de CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Hi Regine, All HEDOD meteorites are assumed to be Vestan in origin - Howardite, Eucrite, Diogenite, Olivine diogenite, and Dunite. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/6/11, Regine Petersen wrote: Hi all, Is there a list of assumed Vesta meteorites? Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Larry and Listerites Thank you Larry for the links. But I think my question is still unanswered or it hasn't been directly spelled out, which I am that type of person that needs it all. I do not see Olivine diogenite, and Dunite on the classification menu on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database (MBD) which is the BIBLE of all bibles when it comes to classification of meteorites. So what I am gathering at this time is that these two classes or sub or non at this time are not recognized by the MBD as a classification. Am I right? If it was wouldn't it be listed on the MBD as one. So do this mean its a subclass or something else. I have heard from some that dunites are not a meteorite classification. I have to believe that statement could be true because I don't see dunites coming up on the MDB classification menu or Olivine diogenites. By chance who coined these quote un quote classifications and why haven't they been listed on the MBD. I find it odd, but again I have seen a few meteorites get these weird names or nick names to create a buzz. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html --- On Thu, 4/7/11, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: fips_br...@yahoo.de, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 5:40 AM Hi Shawn: I do not think anyone responded to your question about olinive-bearing diogenites. Here is a links to articles: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1502.pdf http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/1835.pdf Sorry, but have not been keeping up on the subject. Larry Hello Mike, Regine, and Listers Regine there are 486 HED meteorites that are non Antarctica. Mike and Listers I have a question... I was trying to search for the other two HEDOD Olivine diogenite, and Dunites on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database and under class they do not have those listed. Am I missing something? Or am I overlooking the classes and I need glasses? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?Michael Gilmer meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 22:58:02 EDT 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Next message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Regine, All HEDOD meteorites are assumed to be Vestan in origin - Howardite, Eucrite, Diogenite, Olivine diogenite, and Dunite. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/6/11, Regine Petersen fips_bruno at yahoo.de wrote: Hi all, Is there a list of assumed Vesta meteorites? Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- Previous message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Next message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Shawn, Larry, and Expat Vestans, I included Dunite in my answer to Regine's question because I wanted to be all inclusive. Of course, the old axiom of damned if you, damned if you don't comes into play here. Had I left out Dunite, someone would have inevitably suggested it. Since I included it, the inevitable question of whether or not it actually belongs was brought up. This highlights the uncertainty inherent in theorizing about other worlds that we lack first-hand knowledge of. Even the widely-accepted HED's are theoretically assigned to Vesta. There is no smoking gun yet that any meteorite originates from Vesta - at least that is my understanding of the HEDO group. But, so much circumstantial evidence points to Vesta, that it is generally agreed upon to be the parent body of the HEDO group. I don't think anyone is expecting the Dawn mission to disprove this theory. Everyone expects Dawn to confirm what the circumstantial evidence has implied - that the HEDO group is truly Vestan. While olivine diogenite may not appear in the official classification tree, NWA 1877 is classified as diogenite-an (of which, there are only two approved as such). There other is Grosvenor Mountains 9, which is described in the write-up as diogenite-unique, but looks like an olivine diogenite. Note, there is at least one possible pairing to NWA 1877 floating around and NWA 6149 comes to mind. (although the latter may not be officially paired yet) Note, NWA 6149 (and 5 others) are classified as diogenite-olivine - 3 of the others are NWA and one is Antarctic. The earliest apparent classification for this type (that appears in the Bulletin) is NWA 5603. (2004) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/7/11, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Larry and Listerites Thank you Larry for the links. But I think my question is still unanswered or it hasn't been directly spelled out, which I am that type of person that needs it all. I do not see Olivine diogenite, and Dunite on the classification menu on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database (MBD) which is the BIBLE of all bibles when it comes to classification of meteorites. So what I am gathering at this time is that these two classes or sub or non at this time are not recognized by the MBD as a classification. Am I right? If it was wouldn't it be listed on the MBD as one. So do this mean its a subclass or something else. I have heard from some that dunites are not a meteorite classification. I have to believe that statement could be true because I don't see dunites coming up on the MDB classification menu or Olivine diogenites. By chance who coined these quote un quote classifications and why haven't they been listed on the MBD. I find it odd, but again I have seen a few meteorites get these weird names or nick names to create a buzz. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html --- On Thu, 4/7/11, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: fips_br...@yahoo.de, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 5:40 AM Hi Shawn: I do not think anyone responded to your question about olinive-bearing diogenites. Here is a links to articles: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1502.pdf http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/1835.pdf Sorry, but have not been keeping up on the subject. Larry Hello Mike, Regine, and Listers Regine there are 486 HED meteorites that are non Antarctica. Mike and Listers I have a question... I was trying to search for the other two HEDOD Olivine diogenite, and Dunites on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database and under class they do not have those listed. Am I missing something? Or am I overlooking the classes and I need glasses? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?Michael Gilmer meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 22:58:02 EDT 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Next message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Regine, All HEDOD meteorites are assumed to be Vestan in origin - Howardite, Eucrite, Diogenite, Olivine diogenite, and Dunite. :) Best regards, MikeG
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MikeG and Listerites I am glad you added the HEDOD to the Vesta 4 question brought up by Regine. However, the question still stands but some people have said this that the reason why Olivine diogenite, and Dunite aren't listed on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database is because there needs to be more meteorites with that type of classification which isnt the case. But again I think the wording is different on the MDB because I did see a Diogenite-olivine class so does that mean that Diogenite-olivine are the same as Olivine diogenites? Also what are Diogenite-pm and Eucrite-mmict? All is I know I am going to be excited when when Dawn meets up with Vesta this summer. It will be interesting on the discoveries that will be found and old aged questions reconfirmed or dismissed. Time will tell. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 11:48 AM Hi Shawn, Larry, and Expat Vestans, I included Dunite in my answer to Regine's question because I wanted to be all inclusive. Of course, the old axiom of damned if you, damned if you don't comes into play here. Had I left out Dunite, someone would have inevitably suggested it. Since I included it, the inevitable question of whether or not it actually belongs was brought up. This highlights the uncertainty inherent in theorizing about other worlds that we lack first-hand knowledge of. Even the widely-accepted HED's are theoretically assigned to Vesta. There is no smoking gun yet that any meteorite originates from Vesta - at least that is my understanding of the HEDO group. But, so much circumstantial evidence points to Vesta, that it is generally agreed upon to be the parent body of the HEDO group. I don't think anyone is expecting the Dawn mission to disprove this theory. Everyone expects Dawn to confirm what the circumstantial evidence has implied - that the HEDO group is truly Vestan. While olivine diogenite may not appear in the official classification tree, NWA 1877 is classified as diogenite-an (of which, there are only two approved as such). There other is Grosvenor Mountains 9, which is described in the write-up as diogenite-unique, but looks like an olivine diogenite. Note, there is at least one possible pairing to NWA 1877 floating around and NWA 6149 comes to mind. (although the latter may not be officially paired yet) Note, NWA 6149 (and 5 others) are classified as diogenite-olivine - 3 of the others are NWA and one is Antarctic. The earliest apparent classification for this type (that appears in the Bulletin) is NWA 5603. (2004) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/7/11, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Larry and Listerites Thank you Larry for the links. But I think my question is still unanswered or it hasn't been directly spelled out, which I am that type of person that needs it all. I do not see Olivine diogenite, and Dunite on the classification menu on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database (MBD) which is the BIBLE of all bibles when it comes to classification of meteorites. So what I am gathering at this time is that these two classes or sub or non at this time are not recognized by the MBD as a classification. Am I right? If it was wouldn't it be listed on the MBD as one. So do this mean its a subclass or something else. I have heard from some that dunites are not a meteorite classification. I have to believe that statement could be true because I don't see dunites coming up on the MDB classification menu or Olivine diogenites. By chance who coined these quote un quote classifications and why haven't they been listed on the MBD. I find it odd, but again I have seen a few meteorites get these weird names or nick names to create a buzz. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html --- On Thu, 4/7/11, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: fips_br...@yahoo.de, meteorite-list
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The explanation is basically that olivine diogenites are diogenites, at least that has been the philosophy of nomcom. The term seems to date from 1991, according to NASA ADS (http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1991GeCoA..55.S). Classifications evolve, and if somebody cares to make a good case to nomcom, along with a list of all the group members, I'm sure we'd consider adopting the term formally. Jeff On 4/7/2011 1:18 PM, Shawn Alan wrote: Larry and Listerites Thank you Larry for the links. But I think my question is still unanswered or it hasn't been directly spelled out, which I am that type of person that needs it all. I do not see Olivine diogenite, and Dunite on the classification menu on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database (MBD) which is the BIBLE of all bibles when it comes to classification of meteorites. So what I am gathering at this time is that these two classes or sub or non at this time are not recognized by the MBD as a classification. Am I right? If it was wouldn't it be listed on the MBD as one. So do this mean its a subclass or something else. I have heard from some that dunites are not a meteorite classification. I have to believe that statement could be true because I don't see dunites coming up on the MDB classification menu or Olivine diogenites. By chance who coined these quote un quote classifications and why haven't they been listed on the MBD. I find it odd, but again I have seen a few meteorites get these weird names or nick names to create a buzz. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html --- On Thu, 4/7/11, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edulebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edulebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? To: Shawn Alanphotoph...@yahoo.com Cc: fips_br...@yahoo.de, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 5:40 AM Hi Shawn: I do not think anyone responded to your question about olinive-bearing diogenites. Here is a links to articles: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1502.pdf http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/1835.pdf Sorry, but have not been keeping up on the subject. Larry Hello Mike, Regine, and Listers Regine there are 486 HED meteorites that are non Antarctica. Mike and Listers I have a question... I was trying to search for the other two HEDOD Olivine diogenite, and Dunites on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database and under class they do not have those listed. Am I missing something? Or am I overlooking the classes and I need glasses? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?Michael Gilmer meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 22:58:02 EDT 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Next message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Regine, All HEDOD meteorites are assumed to be Vestan in origin - Howardite, Eucrite, Diogenite, Olivine diogenite, and Dunite. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/6/11, Regine Petersenfips_bruno at yahoo.de wrote: Hi all, Is there a list of assumed Vesta meteorites? Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- Previous message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Next message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Shawn and Vestoids, I've been following the Dawn mission (and Ron's regular links) with great interest. I feel like such a total geek, but this mission has me excited all across the board - for NASA, for space science, for planetary science, and for meteoritics. I think many of us would just love to see close-up photos and data from the surface of Vesta (and Ceres). Wouldn't it be wonderful to see big piles of eucrites, howardites, diogenites, and other meteorites laying around the surface of Vesta? I think, but I am not sure, that eucrite-mmict is a eucrite, monomict breccia. Meteorite nomenclature is an evolving beast. At one time, CK meteorites were part of the CV class - CV4, CV5. One thing about meteorite terminology is for certain - it can change when new data emerges. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/7/11, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: MikeG and Listerites I am glad you added the HEDOD to the Vesta 4 question brought up by Regine. However, the question still stands but some people have said this that the reason why Olivine diogenite, and Dunite aren't listed on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database is because there needs to be more meteorites with that type of classification which isnt the case. But again I think the wording is different on the MDB because I did see a Diogenite-olivine class so does that mean that Diogenite-olivine are the same as Olivine diogenites? Also what are Diogenite-pm and Eucrite-mmict? All is I know I am going to be excited when when Dawn meets up with Vesta this summer. It will be interesting on the discoveries that will be found and old aged questions reconfirmed or dismissed. Time will tell. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 11:48 AM Hi Shawn, Larry, and Expat Vestans, I included Dunite in my answer to Regine's question because I wanted to be all inclusive. Of course, the old axiom of damned if you, damned if you don't comes into play here. Had I left out Dunite, someone would have inevitably suggested it. Since I included it, the inevitable question of whether or not it actually belongs was brought up. This highlights the uncertainty inherent in theorizing about other worlds that we lack first-hand knowledge of. Even the widely-accepted HED's are theoretically assigned to Vesta. There is no smoking gun yet that any meteorite originates from Vesta - at least that is my understanding of the HEDO group. But, so much circumstantial evidence points to Vesta, that it is generally agreed upon to be the parent body of the HEDO group. I don't think anyone is expecting the Dawn mission to disprove this theory. Everyone expects Dawn to confirm what the circumstantial evidence has implied - that the HEDO group is truly Vestan. While olivine diogenite may not appear in the official classification tree, NWA 1877 is classified as diogenite-an (of which, there are only two approved as such). There other is Grosvenor Mountains 9, which is described in the write-up as diogenite-unique, but looks like an olivine diogenite. Note, there is at least one possible pairing to NWA 1877 floating around and NWA 6149 comes to mind. (although the latter may not be officially paired yet) Note, NWA 6149 (and 5 others) are classified as diogenite-olivine - 3 of the others are NWA and one is Antarctic. The earliest apparent classification for this type (that appears in the Bulletin) is NWA 5603. (2004) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/7/11, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Larry and Listerites Thank you Larry for the links. But I think my question is still unanswered or it hasn't been directly spelled out, which I am that type of person
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listed on the MBD. I find it odd, but again I have seen a few meteorites get these weird names or nick names to create a buzz. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html --- On Thu, 4/7/11, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: fips_br...@yahoo.de, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 5:40 AM Hi Shawn: I do not think anyone responded to your question about olinive-bearing diogenites. Here is a links to articles: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1502.pdf http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/1835.pdf Sorry, but have not been keeping up on the subject. Larry Hello Mike, Regine, and Listers Regine there are 486 HED meteorites that are non Antarctica. Mike and Listers I have a question... I was trying to search for the other two HEDOD Olivine diogenite, and Dunites on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database and under class they do not have those listed. Am I missing something? Or am I overlooking the classes and I need glasses? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?Michael Gilmer meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 22:58:02 EDT 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Next message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Regine, All HEDOD meteorites are assumed to be Vestan in origin - Howardite, Eucrite, Diogenite, Olivine diogenite, and Dunite. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/6/11, Regine Petersen fips_bruno at yahoo.de wrote: Hi all, Is there a list of assumed Vesta meteorites? Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- Previous message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Next message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Regine, List, Please correct me if I'm wrong but, I think Scientists base this origin theory on similar Oxygen isotopes and if that is correct then Mesosiderites and pallasites are also in that zone and are therefore also in the same category of HEDOD? Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de wrote: Thanks Mike. I was wondering if there was a site listing all the resp. meteorites by name. But I guess I can look up the types on MetBull and compile a list. Thanks, R. --- Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com schrieb am Do, 7.4.2011: Von: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? An: Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Donnerstag, 7. April, 2011 04:58 Uhr Hi Regine, All HEDOD meteorites are assumed to be Vestan in origin - Howardite, Eucrite, Diogenite, Olivine diogenite, and Dunite. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/6/11, Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi all, Is there a list of assumed Vesta meteorites? Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Michael: Yes, there is a smoking gun and a trail of dust, too. Reflectance spectra of Vesta and areas of Vesta consistent with spectra of HED meteorites and composition of HEDs. Big crater that could be the source of said meteorites. Vestoids in an area where asteroids can be tossed out of the asteroid belt into Earth-crossing orbits. Vestoids IN Earth-crossing orbits. Short of a sample return, not sure what more evidence you need (smoking gun but not a confession). Larry Hi Shawn, Larry, and Expat Vestans, I included Dunite in my answer to Regine's question because I wanted to be all inclusive. Of course, the old axiom of damned if you, damned if you don't comes into play here. Had I left out Dunite, someone would have inevitably suggested it. Since I included it, the inevitable question of whether or not it actually belongs was brought up. This highlights the uncertainty inherent in theorizing about other worlds that we lack first-hand knowledge of. Even the widely-accepted HED's are theoretically assigned to Vesta. There is no smoking gun yet that any meteorite originates from Vesta - at least that is my understanding of the HEDO group. But, so much circumstantial evidence points to Vesta, that it is generally agreed upon to be the parent body of the HEDO group. I don't think anyone is expecting the Dawn mission to disprove this theory. Everyone expects Dawn to confirm what the circumstantial evidence has implied - that the HEDO group is truly Vestan. While olivine diogenite may not appear in the official classification tree, NWA 1877 is classified as diogenite-an (of which, there are only two approved as such). There other is Grosvenor Mountains 9, which is described in the write-up as diogenite-unique, but looks like an olivine diogenite. Note, there is at least one possible pairing to NWA 1877 floating around and NWA 6149 comes to mind. (although the latter may not be officially paired yet) Note, NWA 6149 (and 5 others) are classified as diogenite-olivine - 3 of the others are NWA and one is Antarctic. The earliest apparent classification for this type (that appears in the Bulletin) is NWA 5603. (2004) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/7/11, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Larry and Listerites Thank you Larry for the links. But I think my question is still unanswered or it hasn't been directly spelled out, which I am that type of person that needs it all. I do not see Olivine diogenite, and Dunite on the classification menu on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database (MBD) which is the BIBLE of all bibles when it comes to classification of meteorites. So what I am gathering at this time is that these two classes or sub or non at this time are not recognized by the MBD as a classification. Am I right? If it was wouldn't it be listed on the MBD as one. So do this mean its a subclass or something else. I have heard from some that dunites are not a meteorite classification. I have to believe that statement could be true because I don't see dunites coming up on the MDB classification menu or Olivine diogenites. By chance who coined these quote un quote classifications and why haven't they been listed on the MBD. I find it odd, but again I have seen a few meteorites get these weird names or nick names to create a buzz. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html --- On Thu, 4/7/11, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: fips_br...@yahoo.de, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 5:40 AM Hi Shawn: I do not think anyone responded to your question about olinive-bearing diogenites. Here is a links to articles: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1502.pdf http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/1835.pdf Sorry, but have not been keeping up on the subject. Larry Hello Mike, Regine, and Listers Regine there are 486 HED meteorites that are non Antarctica. Mike and Listers I have a question... I was trying to search for the other two HEDOD Olivine diogenite, and Dunites on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database and under class they do not have those listed. Am I missing something? Or am I overlooking the classes and I need glasses? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com
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what I am gathering at this time is that these two classes or sub or non at this time are not recognized by the MBD as a classification. Am I right? If it was wouldn't it be listed on the MBD as one. So do this mean its a subclass or something else. I have heard from some that dunites are not a meteorite classification. I have to believe that statement could be true because I don't see dunites coming up on the MDB classification menu or Olivine diogenites. By chance who coined these quote un quote classifications and why haven't they been listed on the MBD. I find it odd, but again I have seen a few meteorites get these weird names or nick names to create a buzz. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html --- On Thu, 4/7/11, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: fips_br...@yahoo.de, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 5:40 AM Hi Shawn: I do not think anyone responded to your question about olinive-bearing diogenites. Here is a links to articles: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1502.pdf http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/1835.pdf Sorry, but have not been keeping up on the subject. Larry Hello Mike, Regine, and Listers Regine there are 486 HED meteorites that are non Antarctica. Mike and Listers I have a question... I was trying to search for the other two HEDOD Olivine diogenite, and Dunites on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database and under class they do not have those listed. Am I missing something? Or am I overlooking the classes and I need glasses? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?Michael Gilmer meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 22:58:02 EDT 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Next message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Regine, All HEDOD meteorites are assumed to be Vestan in origin - Howardite, Eucrite, Diogenite, Olivine diogenite, and Dunite. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/6/11, Regine Petersen fips_bruno at yahoo.de wrote: Hi all, Is there a list of assumed Vesta meteorites? Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- Previous message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Next message: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hey Michael. I'm sure Larry and other more learned people will respond, but until then, if you have it, take a look at _Meteorites and their Parent Planets_ (partly available online as a Google Book) I'm away from my bookshelf at the moment so can't cite pages unfortunately. To give you a short answer, we know the origin of only Lunars, Martians and Almahata Sitta. Other than that, the best we can do is compare reflectance spectra of asteroid at the telescope and meteorites in the lab, finding the best matches between the two. DAWN will be able to analyze the mineral make up of Vesta and determine if indeed HEDs come from there. I believe that we'll not only prove this connection, but in some cases it should be possible that we'll even be able to pinpoint specific locations on the surface as the origin of the meteorites in our labs and collections. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? To: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 6:14 PM Hi Larry and List, I stand corrected. We don't have a smoking gun, but we do have a smoking crater on Vesta. :) I didn't mean to imply that the origin of HEDs was still in doubt. But rather, just to point out that the Vestan origin is a theory, like relativity or evolution. We *know* them to be true, and we can produce evidence that supports the theory, but is the Vesta-HED connection as sure as the lunar or martian meteorite connection? We have moon rocks brought back by Apollo astronauts to compare first-hand with lunar meteorites. We have atmospheric data from Sojourner that we can compare directly with trapped gas in Martian meteorites. Those two connections are rock solid, pun intended. With Vesta, we have spectral analysis and a host of other convincing data (as Larry pointed out), but do we have the kind of solid evidence needed to rule out all other possible parent bodies? I'm guess what I am asking here is this - are there any holdouts in the scientific community who are not convinced that HEDs are from Vesta? And if so, will data from the Dawn mission finally push them into the yes camp? It was my understanding that in the spectrum of parent body and meteorite matching, the Vesta connection was right below lunar and mars, but well above angrites and Mercury. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/7/11, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: Hi Michael: Yes, there is a smoking gun and a trail of dust, too. Reflectance spectra of Vesta and areas of Vesta consistent with spectra of HED meteorites and composition of HEDs. Big crater that could be the source of said meteorites. Vestoids in an area where asteroids can be tossed out of the asteroid belt into Earth-crossing orbits. Vestoids IN Earth-crossing orbits. Short of a sample return, not sure what more evidence you need (smoking gun but not a confession). Larry Hi Shawn, Larry, and Expat Vestans, I included Dunite in my answer to Regine's question because I wanted to be all inclusive. Of course, the old axiom of damned if you, damned if you don't comes into play here. Had I left out Dunite, someone would have inevitably suggested it. Since I included it, the inevitable question of whether or not it actually belongs was brought up. This highlights the uncertainty inherent in theorizing about other worlds that we lack first-hand knowledge of. Even the widely-accepted HED's are theoretically assigned to Vesta. There is no smoking gun yet that any meteorite originates from Vesta - at least that is my understanding of the HEDO group. But, so much circumstantial evidence points to Vesta, that it is generally agreed upon to be the parent body of the HEDO group. I don't think anyone is expecting the Dawn mission to disprove this theory. Everyone expects Dawn to confirm what the circumstantial evidence has implied - that the HEDO group is truly Vestan. While olivine diogenite may not appear in the official classification tree, NWA 1877 is classified as diogenite-an (of which, there are only two approved as such). There other is Grosvenor Mountains 9, which is described
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G'Day Richard, Michael and list ( I'm away from my bookshelf at the moment so can't cite pages unfortunately. ) 92-93 a good starting point. Cheers John IMCA #2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Richard Kowalski Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 6:37 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? Hey Michael. I'm sure Larry and other more learned people will respond, but until then, if you have it, take a look at _Meteorites and their Parent Planets_ (partly available online as a Google Book) I'm away from my bookshelf at the moment so can't cite pages unfortunately. To give you a short answer, we know the origin of only Lunars, Martians and Almahata Sitta. Other than that, the best we can do is compare reflectance spectra of asteroid at the telescope and meteorites in the lab, finding the best matches between the two. DAWN will be able to analyze the mineral make up of Vesta and determine if indeed HEDs come from there. I believe that we'll not only prove this connection, but in some cases it should be possible that we'll even be able to pinpoint specific locations on the surface as the origin of the meteorites in our labs and collections. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? To: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 6:14 PM Hi Larry and List, I stand corrected. We don't have a smoking gun, but we do have a smoking crater on Vesta. :) I didn't mean to imply that the origin of HEDs was still in doubt. But rather, just to point out that the Vestan origin is a theory, like relativity or evolution. We *know* them to be true, and we can produce evidence that supports the theory, but is the Vesta-HED connection as sure as the lunar or martian meteorite connection? We have moon rocks brought back by Apollo astronauts to compare first-hand with lunar meteorites. We have atmospheric data from Sojourner that we can compare directly with trapped gas in Martian meteorites. Those two connections are rock solid, pun intended. With Vesta, we have spectral analysis and a host of other convincing data (as Larry pointed out), but do we have the kind of solid evidence needed to rule out all other possible parent bodies? I'm guess what I am asking here is this - are there any holdouts in the scientific community who are not convinced that HEDs are from Vesta? And if so, will data from the Dawn mission finally push them into the yes camp? It was my understanding that in the spectrum of parent body and meteorite matching, the Vesta connection was right below lunar and mars, but well above angrites and Mercury. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/7/11, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: Hi Michael: Yes, there is a smoking gun and a trail of dust, too. Reflectance spectra of Vesta and areas of Vesta consistent with spectra of HED meteorites and composition of HEDs. Big crater that could be the source of said meteorites. Vestoids in an area where asteroids can be tossed out of the asteroid belt into Earth-crossing orbits. Vestoids IN Earth-crossing orbits. Short of a sample return, not sure what more evidence you need (smoking gun but not a confession). Larry Hi Shawn, Larry, and Expat Vestans, I included Dunite in my answer to Regine's question because I wanted to be all inclusive. Of course, the old axiom of damned if you, damned if you don't comes into play here. Had I left out Dunite, someone would have inevitably suggested it. Since I included it, the inevitable question of whether or not it actually belongs was brought up. This highlights the uncertainty inherent in theorizing about other worlds that we lack first-hand knowledge of. Even the widely-accepted HED's are theoretically assigned to Vesta. There is no smoking gun yet that any meteorite originates from Vesta - at least that is my understanding of the HEDO group. But, so much circumstantial evidence points to Vesta, that it is generally agreed upon to be the parent body of the HEDO
Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 19:15:53 -0700, you wrote: G'Day Richard, Michael and list ( I'm away from my bookshelf at the moment so can't cite pages unfortunately. ) 92-93 a good starting point. Check out page 149 (as numbered in the PDF) or page 137 (as numbered in the book) http://www.sendspace.com/file/3ps9qu __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi all, Is there a list of assumed Vesta meteorites? Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta?
Hi Regine, All HEDOD meteorites are assumed to be Vestan in origin - Howardite, Eucrite, Diogenite, Olivine diogenite, and Dunite. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/6/11, Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi all, Is there a list of assumed Vesta meteorites? Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Thanks Mike. I was wondering if there was a site listing all the resp. meteorites by name. But I guess I can look up the types on MetBull and compile a list. Thanks, R. --- Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com schrieb am Do, 7.4.2011: Von: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] List of meteorites from Vesta? An: Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Donnerstag, 7. April, 2011 04:58 Uhr Hi Regine, All HEDOD meteorites are assumed to be Vestan in origin - Howardite, Eucrite, Diogenite, Olivine diogenite, and Dunite. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/6/11, Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi all, Is there a list of assumed Vesta meteorites? Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
