Re: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever, Seen (Siberia, Russsia)

2014-02-11 Thread Marco Langbroek

meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com schreef op 11-2-2014 13:33:

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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 22:53:32 -0500
From: Paul H.inselb...@cox.net

A really strange landform has made the news in Russia
and now has appeared in the Mail Online. Articles with
pictures and rather weird speculation about meteorites
and all sorts of other processes that might have created it.



Like Matt, I would think of a Pingo-like phenomena, i.e. the result of formation 
and then melting of an ice lens.


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Re: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever Seen (Siberia, Russsia)

2014-02-11 Thread Pat Brown
If this were caused by a high shock event like a meteor strike, then there 
should be evidence in the form of shatter cones, shocked quartz crystals etc. 
In addition, there should be Iridium enrichment. 


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 A partially collapsed salt dome


 Anne M. Black
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 Very interesting!

 I'm suggesting Phreatic eruption (even though they say there is not
 volanism, but who knows. What's odd is it looks like the site might
 still be somewhat active, looks really fresh.

 -Yinan

 On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Paul H. inselb...@cox.net wrote:
 A really strange landform has made the news in Russia
 and now has appeared in the Mail Online. Articles with
 pictures and rather weird speculation about meteorites
 and all sorts of other processes that might have created it.

 What (or who) created Siberia's 'Eagle's Nest'?
 A meteorite, a nuke or gulag inmates? Scientists
 baffled by Sarah Griffids, Mail Online, Feb. 7, 2014

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2553841/Siberian-eagles-nest-continues-baffle-scientists-Theories-250-year-old-mound-formed-range-meteorite-strike-nuclear-blast.html

 Huge Eagle Nest in woods, English Russia,May 27, 2013
 http://englishrussia.com/2013/05/27/huge-eagle-nest-in-the-woods/

 What created this mysterious Siberian crater? by Kate
 Baklitskaya, The Siberian Times, October 14, 2012

 http://www.sott.net/article/264671-What-created-this-mysterious-Siberian-crater

 This is certainly one of the strangest craterwrongs that
 I have ever seen. Some of the various theories that have
 been proposed for its origins are mentioned in:

 Patomsky crater - the nest of fire Eagle. Unknown Russia
 http://runknown.com/patomsky-crater-the-nest-of-fire-eagle

 I would be interested in what the people on this list
 think about what might have created this pile of rock?

 Does anyone know what is being said about it among
 Russian geologists and geomorphologists?

 Whatever, it is, it is quite young.

 Yours,

 Paul H.

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Re: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever Seen(Siberia, Russsia)

2014-02-11 Thread Sterling K. Webb
List,

Bingo, a pingo!

Of course, none of the pingoes I can
find pictures of have the exact peculiar 
shape of the Patomskiy crater. But they 
do have similar but varied shapes, of 
which this could easily be one more 
variation.

No evidence of any kind of meteoritic 
impact. This is a formation produced 
by slow pushing, not instantaneous 
impact. All the rocks in evidence in 
the photos are broken by cold physical 
forces. No evidence of heat; it's not 
vulcanism; it's not impact.

That leaves the pingo-theory. From the 
raw look of the feature, I would say it 
was young compared to other pingoes.

A few hours ago, I'd never heard of a 
pingo, and now they seem to be everywhere. 
At least, everywhere on the internet.

There are pingoes on the seafloor:
http://www.mbari.org/news/news_releases/2007/paull-plfs.html

More pingoes here:
http://www.amusingplanet.com/2014/01/the-pingos-of-tuktoyaktuk.html

And here:
http://www.arctic.uoguelph.ca/cpe/environments/land/features/freeze-thaw/pin
goes.htm

And here:
http://www.pwnhc.ca/inuvialuit/placenames/ibyukwhat.html

Everybody likes to take pingo pictures:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~kpetaine/visuals/album/NLand/Pingo/

http://www.geo.uu.nl/fg/berendsen/pictures/photography/alaska/Pingo.jpg

http://toheroa-jim.blogspot.com/2010/03/from-asphalt-to-permafrost-blisters.
html

http://fineartamerica.com/featured/collapsed-pingo-science-source.html

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wyojones/galleries/72157623260224291

Steps in the cycle:
http://www.fws.gov/alaska/nwr/arctic/permcycl.htm

World's largest pingo?
http://www.bubblews.com/news/1173173-what-is-the-world039s-largest-pingo

As for the unique cone-in-a-crater shape, 
that could be explained by the growth of 
a first large pingo crater-mound with a 
collapsed crest (of which there are many examples), followed by a period of 
quiescence. 

Then, the pingo pump mechanism started up 
again on a smaller scale and pushed up the 
central mound inside the larger pingo, 
with the result we see today. In other
words, a cyclical pingo. It could be driven 
by climatic cycles (on the century-length 
scale). With an age of about 500 years, 
there's been time for a few on-off cycles.


Sterling K. Webb
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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever
Seen(Siberia, Russsia)

A really strange landform has made the news in Russia and now has appeared
in the Mail Online. Articles with pictures and rather weird speculation
about meteorites and all sorts of other processes that might have created
it.

What (or who) created Siberia's 'Eagle's Nest'? 
A meteorite, a nuke or gulag inmates? Scientists baffled by Sarah Griffids,
Mail Online, Feb. 7, 2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2553841/Siberian-eagles-nest-
continues-baffle-scientists-Theories-250-year-old-mound-formed-range-meteori
te-strike-nuclear-blast.html

Huge Eagle Nest in woods, English Russia,May 27, 2013
http://englishrussia.com/2013/05/27/huge-eagle-nest-in-the-woods/

What created this mysterious Siberian crater? by Kate Baklitskaya, The
Siberian Times, October 14, 2012
http://www.sott.net/article/264671-What-created-this-mysterious-Siberian-cra
ter

This is certainly one of the strangest craterwrongs that I have ever seen.
Some of the various theories that have been proposed for its origins are
mentioned in:

Patomsky crater - the nest of fire Eagle. Unknown Russia
http://runknown.com/patomsky-crater-the-nest-of-fire-eagle

I would be interested in what the people on this list think about what might
have created this pile of rock? 

Does anyone know what is being said about it among Russian geologists and
geomorphologists?

Whatever, it is, it is quite young. 

Yours,

Paul H.

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[meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever Seen (Siberia, Russsia)

2014-02-10 Thread Paul H.
A really strange landform has made the news in Russia
and now has appeared in the Mail Online. Articles with
pictures and rather weird speculation about meteorites
and all sorts of other processes that might have created it.

What (or who) created Siberia's 'Eagle's Nest'? 
A meteorite, a nuke or gulag inmates? Scientists 
baffled by Sarah Griffids, Mail Online, Feb. 7, 2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2553841/Siberian-eagles-nest-continues-baffle-scientists-Theories-250-year-old-mound-formed-range-meteorite-strike-nuclear-blast.html

Huge Eagle Nest in woods, English Russia,May 27, 2013
http://englishrussia.com/2013/05/27/huge-eagle-nest-in-the-woods/

What created this mysterious Siberian crater? by Kate 
Baklitskaya, The Siberian Times, October 14, 2012 
http://www.sott.net/article/264671-What-created-this-mysterious-Siberian-crater

This is certainly one of the strangest craterwrongs that
I have ever seen. Some of the various theories that have
been proposed for its origins are mentioned in:

Patomsky crater - the nest of fire Eagle. Unknown Russia
http://runknown.com/patomsky-crater-the-nest-of-fire-eagle

I would be interested in what the people on this list 
think about what might have created this pile of rock? 

Does anyone know what is being said about it among
Russian geologists and geomorphologists?

Whatever, it is, it is quite young. 

Yours,

Paul H.

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Re: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever Seen (Siberia, Russsia)

2014-02-10 Thread Yinan Wang
Very interesting!

I'm suggesting Phreatic eruption (even though they say there is not
volanism, but who knows. What's odd is it looks like the site might
still be somewhat active, looks really fresh.

-Yinan

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Paul H. inselb...@cox.net wrote:
 A really strange landform has made the news in Russia
 and now has appeared in the Mail Online. Articles with
 pictures and rather weird speculation about meteorites
 and all sorts of other processes that might have created it.

 What (or who) created Siberia's 'Eagle's Nest'?
 A meteorite, a nuke or gulag inmates? Scientists
 baffled by Sarah Griffids, Mail Online, Feb. 7, 2014
 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2553841/Siberian-eagles-nest-continues-baffle-scientists-Theories-250-year-old-mound-formed-range-meteorite-strike-nuclear-blast.html

 Huge Eagle Nest in woods, English Russia,May 27, 2013
 http://englishrussia.com/2013/05/27/huge-eagle-nest-in-the-woods/

 What created this mysterious Siberian crater? by Kate
 Baklitskaya, The Siberian Times, October 14, 2012
 http://www.sott.net/article/264671-What-created-this-mysterious-Siberian-crater

 This is certainly one of the strangest craterwrongs that
 I have ever seen. Some of the various theories that have
 been proposed for its origins are mentioned in:

 Patomsky crater - the nest of fire Eagle. Unknown Russia
 http://runknown.com/patomsky-crater-the-nest-of-fire-eagle

 I would be interested in what the people on this list
 think about what might have created this pile of rock?

 Does anyone know what is being said about it among
 Russian geologists and geomorphologists?

 Whatever, it is, it is quite young.

 Yours,

 Paul H.

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Re: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever Seen (Siberia, Russsia)

2014-02-10 Thread Anne Black

A partially collapsed salt dome


Anne M. Black
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impact...@aol.com


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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I 
Ever Seen (Siberia, Russsia)



Very interesting!

I'm suggesting Phreatic eruption (even though they say there is not
volanism, but who knows. What's odd is it looks like the site might
still be somewhat active, looks really fresh.

-Yinan

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Paul H. inselb...@cox.net wrote:

A really strange landform has made the news in Russia
and now has appeared in the Mail Online. Articles with
pictures and rather weird speculation about meteorites
and all sorts of other processes that might have created it.

What (or who) created Siberia's 'Eagle's Nest'?
A meteorite, a nuke or gulag inmates? Scientists
baffled by Sarah Griffids, Mail Online, Feb. 7, 2014


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2553841/Siberian-eagles-nest-continues-baffle-scientists-Theories-250-year-old-mound-formed-range-meteorite-strike-nuclear-blast.html


Huge Eagle Nest in woods, English Russia,May 27, 2013
http://englishrussia.com/2013/05/27/huge-eagle-nest-in-the-woods/

What created this mysterious Siberian crater? by Kate
Baklitskaya, The Siberian Times, October 14, 2012


http://www.sott.net/article/264671-What-created-this-mysterious-Siberian-crater


This is certainly one of the strangest craterwrongs that
I have ever seen. Some of the various theories that have
been proposed for its origins are mentioned in:

Patomsky crater - the nest of fire Eagle. Unknown Russia
http://runknown.com/patomsky-crater-the-nest-of-fire-eagle

I would be interested in what the people on this list
think about what might have created this pile of rock?

Does anyone know what is being said about it among
Russian geologists and geomorphologists?

Whatever, it is, it is quite young.

Yours,

Paul H.

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Re: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever Seen (Siberia, Russsia)

2014-02-10 Thread Matt Morgan
Looks like a pingo to me. Just google image the term.
Matt

On February 10, 2014 10:17:13 PM MST, Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote:
A partially collapsed salt dome


Anne M. Black
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impact...@aol.com


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From: Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com
To: Paul H. inselb...@cox.net
Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 9:48 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I 
Ever Seen (Siberia, Russsia)


Very interesting!

I'm suggesting Phreatic eruption (even though they say there is not
volanism, but who knows. What's odd is it looks like the site might
still be somewhat active, looks really fresh.

-Yinan

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Paul H. inselb...@cox.net wrote:
 A really strange landform has made the news in Russia
 and now has appeared in the Mail Online. Articles with
 pictures and rather weird speculation about meteorites
 and all sorts of other processes that might have created it.

 What (or who) created Siberia's 'Eagle's Nest'?
 A meteorite, a nuke or gulag inmates? Scientists
 baffled by Sarah Griffids, Mail Online, Feb. 7, 2014
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2553841/Siberian-eagles-nest-continues-baffle-scientists-Theories-250-year-old-mound-formed-range-meteorite-strike-nuclear-blast.html

 Huge Eagle Nest in woods, English Russia,May 27, 2013
 http://englishrussia.com/2013/05/27/huge-eagle-nest-in-the-woods/

 What created this mysterious Siberian crater? by Kate
 Baklitskaya, The Siberian Times, October 14, 2012
 
http://www.sott.net/article/264671-What-created-this-mysterious-Siberian-crater

 This is certainly one of the strangest craterwrongs that
 I have ever seen. Some of the various theories that have
 been proposed for its origins are mentioned in:

 Patomsky crater - the nest of fire Eagle. Unknown Russia
 http://runknown.com/patomsky-crater-the-nest-of-fire-eagle

 I would be interested in what the people on this list
 think about what might have created this pile of rock?

 Does anyone know what is being said about it among
 Russian geologists and geomorphologists?

 Whatever, it is, it is quite young.

 Yours,

 Paul H.

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Re: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever Seen (Siberia, Russsia)

2014-02-10 Thread Anne Black

Irkutz is not tropical, but isn't it a bit too warm for a pingo?


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Looks like a pingo to me. Just google image the term.
Matt

On February 10, 2014 10:17:13 PM MST, Anne Black impact...@aol.com 
wrote:

A partially collapsed salt dome


Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


-Original Message-
From: Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com
To: Paul H. inselb...@cox.net
Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 9:48 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I
Ever Seen (Siberia, Russsia)


Very interesting!

I'm suggesting Phreatic eruption (even though they say there is not
volanism, but who knows. What's odd is it looks like the site might
still be somewhat active, looks really fresh.

-Yinan

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Paul H. inselb...@cox.net wrote:

A really strange landform has made the news in Russia
and now has appeared in the Mail Online. Articles with
pictures and rather weird speculation about meteorites
and all sorts of other processes that might have created it.

What (or who) created Siberia's 'Eagle's Nest'?
A meteorite, a nuke or gulag inmates? Scientists
baffled by Sarah Griffids, Mail Online, Feb. 7, 2014


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2553841/Siberian-eagles-n

est-continues-baffle-scientists-Theories-250-year-old-mound-formed-range-
meteorite-strike-nuclear-blast.html


Huge Eagle Nest in woods, English Russia,May 27, 2013
http://englishrussia.com/2013/05/27/huge-eagle-nest-in-the-woods/

What created this mysterious Siberian crater? by Kate
Baklitskaya, The Siberian Times, October 14, 2012


http://www.sott.net/article/264671-What-created-this-mysterious-Siberian

-crater


This is certainly one of the strangest craterwrongs that
I have ever seen. Some of the various theories that have
been proposed for its origins are mentioned in:

Patomsky crater - the nest of fire Eagle. Unknown Russia
http://runknown.com/patomsky-crater-the-nest-of-fire-eagle

I would be interested in what the people on this list
think about what might have created this pile of rock?

Does anyone know what is being said about it among
Russian geologists and geomorphologists?

Whatever, it is, it is quite young.

Yours,

Paul H.

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Re: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever Seen (Siberia, Russsia)

2014-02-10 Thread Matt Morgan
No they are typically periglacial landforms, having an ice core . Permafrost 
and the ice core can load on liquid water and force the water up into the 
center and deform the sediment covering the surface of the landform. They can 
be seasonal and multi-generational.
Matt

On February 10, 2014 10:29:48 PM MST, Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote:
Irkutz is not tropical, but isn't it a bit too warm for a pingo?


Anne M. Black
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impact...@aol.com


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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I 
Ever Seen (Siberia, Russsia)


Looks like a pingo to me. Just google image the term.
Matt

On February 10, 2014 10:17:13 PM MST, Anne Black impact...@aol.com 
wrote:
A partially collapsed salt dome


Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


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To: Paul H. inselb...@cox.net
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Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 9:48 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I
Ever Seen (Siberia, Russsia)


Very interesting!

I'm suggesting Phreatic eruption (even though they say there is not
volanism, but who knows. What's odd is it looks like the site might
still be somewhat active, looks really fresh.

-Yinan

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Paul H. inselb...@cox.net wrote:
 A really strange landform has made the news in Russia
 and now has appeared in the Mail Online. Articles with
 pictures and rather weird speculation about meteorites
 and all sorts of other processes that might have created it.

 What (or who) created Siberia's 'Eagle's Nest'?
 A meteorite, a nuke or gulag inmates? Scientists
 baffled by Sarah Griffids, Mail Online, Feb. 7, 2014

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2553841/Siberian-eagles-n
est-continues-baffle-scientists-Theories-250-year-old-mound-formed-range-
meteorite-strike-nuclear-blast.html

 Huge Eagle Nest in woods, English Russia,May 27, 2013
 http://englishrussia.com/2013/05/27/huge-eagle-nest-in-the-woods/

 What created this mysterious Siberian crater? by Kate
 Baklitskaya, The Siberian Times, October 14, 2012

http://www.sott.net/article/264671-What-created-this-mysterious-Siberian
-crater

 This is certainly one of the strangest craterwrongs that
 I have ever seen. Some of the various theories that have
 been proposed for its origins are mentioned in:

 Patomsky crater - the nest of fire Eagle. Unknown Russia
 http://runknown.com/patomsky-crater-the-nest-of-fire-eagle

 I would be interested in what the people on this list
 think about what might have created this pile of rock?

 Does anyone know what is being said about it among
 Russian geologists and geomorphologists?

 Whatever, it is, it is quite young.

 Yours,

 Paul H.

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